[slim] audio fingerprint dupes?
anyone have any exp with this: http://www.similarityapp.com/ or 'similar' to detect and remove dupes or near dupes? my interest is specifically in audio fingerprint comparison (and contrast). MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95965 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] audio fingerprint dupes?
as seen here: http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?25788-PerfectTUNES i need to investigate how it determines dupes... thx Gary. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95965 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How large is your local music library ?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95676 Question: How large is your local music library ? - More than 100 000 songs - Between 50 000 - 100 000 songs - Between 25 000 - 50 000 songs - Between 10 000 - 25 000 songs - Between 1000 - 10 000 songs - Less than 1000 songs - Don't have a local library (only use internet radio and streaming services) old news: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8764 vote for it! MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95676 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
come on erland, i know you don't believe that, just based on other posts you've made about differentiating the product, ie. why would someone want a SB over something else, especially something cheaper. anyway, i happen to believe i would do a better job than the folks at logitech. sean and dean certainly did. remember them? they were the guys who invented this stuff in the garage, and logitech came along and bought it. amazing that logitech couldn't do what they did with all their brainiacs and corporate structure and precious info. look, my beef here was with the notion that people posting here didn't have any credibility while logitech had all the credibility, and therefore us unwashed masses should stuff it. thats nonsense imo. its fair to say we may not be credible, but given logitech record, its fairly demonstrable that they are not credible. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
amcluesent wrote: Then again, maybe Logitech wanted to enter the kitchen cookware marketplace and there was a simple misunderstanding! What might have been... but does it work with online fruit? MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How large is your local music library ?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95676 Question: How large is your local music library ? - More than 100 000 songs - Between 50 000 - 100 000 songs - Between 25 000 - 50 000 songs - Between 10 000 - 25 000 songs - Between 1000 - 10 000 songs - Less than 1000 songs - Don't have a local library (only use internet radio and streaming services) mherger wrote: Michael, does Logitech have any numbers for library sizes reported from LMS/SBS to Logitech which you can share (either via PM/mail or in public) ? Or isn't that kind of information reported if the Report Statistics option in LMS Settings/mysqueezebox.com settings page is activated ? No, we don't have these numbers. I for myself often am torn between my role as a developer, where I would love to have all kinds of data, and my being a customer too. I don't wan to drop my pants for every service - even if I do understand the usefulness of such information. All we're collecting is listening hours per online source. Nothing related to local music is collected as far as I know. -- Michael thats a huge mistake imo. why not allow customers to opt in, and have logitech simply disclose what info is being collected? many people would be happy to do this. i have no qualms at all about opting in. i want you guys to know these things, or if the app crashes, or whatever. microsoft has an opt in like that. knowing such stats would be useful. personally, if i ran logitech, i'd make it opt in by default, but i would of course allow users to opt out. btw, i have just under 60k songs at this point. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95676 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
hey pal, you need to settle down. people are free to make comments. your POV is valid but so is the opposite POV. the whole point i was trying to make to you which was done in good humor, is that logitech is not above criticism. you seem to act like b/c they are a company, or because they make money, they are. thats silly imo. furthermore, i cited an example of a product they lost hundreds of millions of dollars over, and as was said, got their CEO fired. that just happened recently. so if that happened recently, it puts other things they are doing in a questionable light, does it not? it certainly would seem to at the very least harm their credibility. now if you want to point out that people posting here also have credibility issues, i think thats totally fair. but that doesn't mean we can't say what we think, or that logitech is above criticism. i'm sure people defended IBM when it put out WARP, ...does IBM still being around today make those criticisms invalid? MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
mlsstl wrote: Settle down??? yeah, thats right, b/c you're the one coming on here and acting like the rest of us have no place to speak, and then get all huffy when we don't agree with you. take it easy, francis! MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
in response to the posts above since mine, let me clarify... i don't begrudge anyone a display if they want one with a display. but where is the SB ALONE with NO display? the SBR isn't sold alone anymore, right? and certainly isn't easy to setup if its all one has. and again, while i don't begrudge it, i don't think most people need it [a small display on the device] or want it, esp at the price logitech puts it at. apple would seem to agree, and while i'm no apple fan, i think at this point one has to bow to their market research. this is probably because most people don't need to see whats playing to know if they want to hear it or not, they merely listen to determine if they should skip the track or not. i mean, first of all the price for slim stuff is ridiculous. lets start there. then consider what it costs to do up your house with that stuff, vs alternatives, be they apple or otherwise. then consider there is no video. then consider you can't connect to a TV. then consider that the screens on the devices, in most cases, are too small to see what they say unless you are nearly in arms reach anyway. again, i don't begrudge anyone their own preferences, i surely have mine. but if we want to see the slim paradigm survive, i think it needs completely rethought out. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
bonze wrote: not everyone has a 'droid' or 'iThingy' so a screen becomes necessary. I can't imagine how anyone could control an SB without some sort of visual feedback ??? no, not everyone does, but pretty much most everyone considering slim stuff do. and the webui is how it would be done without one. let me be clear, i support the option of having a self contained server with a display, b/c then you don't need anything else. i get that. but it should not be your MAIN product, but instead should be a high end niche filler in your lineup. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
Indeed! Who are the unwashed masses to question the minds behind the mighty revue!? MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
i have to say that my exps with upnp and DLNA are not overwhelmingly positive, but it does mostly work to some degree, just not usually elegant. interestingly, thats exactly what i think of the squeezebox paradigm. neither one is elegant. by far, the single best thing about apple is airplay. i'm not an apple guy, i typically do not like their stuff or their hardware or the choices they make. but airplay IS elegant. airplay IS robust. airplay IS flexible. i mean, audio, video, computer, TV, tablets, handhelds, mirroring, streaming, local, online, it does it ALL and it does it even with everything in wifi. and the adapters are CHEAP. apple tv = $99. i mean, come on! the problems with it don't bother most people, but do me. itunes is, for me, a non-starter. i won't use it. and there are some technical questions regarding the quality of apple hardware adapters and how they do their airplay magic that again, are for me, an obstacle, but for the vast majority, are not. also notice how airplay is going into other companies products. does anyone really believe that an audio product should exist today whose main UI is webui? i would bet most people still using server are using some other UI. i hope logitech sells slim to someone else. i thought they'd be good for slim. i was WAY wrong. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
neither the apple TV nor the airport express has a display. the apple TV does connect to a TV obviously. but apple has determined that there is little to no need for the media adapter you connect to your other gear to have a display, and i agree with that. in most usage cases, its not needed or even desired. your handheld, tablet, or TV can be the display. so apple has both choices, audio only, for like $60, or audio + TV, for $99. slim is dreaming to think the touch even has a place. the whole product line needs to be re-thought out. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Dear Squeezebox, still love you
Nonreality wrote: It died a month ago and can't afford a replacement.(medical problems) Been using my Ipod classic as a make do. Even though it only lasted 4 years or so I think it was on of the best things I've ever owned. I was depressed for days. Hopefully I can figure a way to replace it. sorry to hear that news, in all respects. maybe some kind soul will offer you a SB# at a discount? MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93924 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
quite frankly, i would like to be able to ditch server altogether when i want to, and have some kind of transparent, near optionless middleware that would power the hardware. essentially, something to turn the hardware into a remote soundcard, so i could use ANY software i want, and play to it. so, for instance, i could fire up winamp and when i told it to play, the audio would be sent to the hardware. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
Erland, this is awesome. for years i haven't used playlists b/c no one makes an app that makes playlists the way i want. the closest thing for me is smartviews in winamp, but thats not perfect or suited really for specific purposes or occassions. smartviews are more of a library manager. as a former radio dj, i have long fantasized over what a perfect playlist app would be. erland wrote: Since the playlist management in SBS/LMS is a bit limited and most people seems to use external software to manage their playlist it feels like there is a need for something better in SBS/LMS. So, some questions to people that use saved playlists and would like to be easier. Try to think about how you like it to work instead of how it works today. 1. What kind of device would you like to use when creating the playlists ? - A computer - A tablet - A smart phone - A Logitech Controller, Radio or Touch display - A IR remote - Something else i'd use a computer. erland wrote: 2. How do you decide what should be part of a playlist ? - By selecting the individual tracks you want to include - By selecting the albums you want to include - By selecting the artists you want to include - By automatically selecting 100 tracks that matches some search criteria (genre, ratings, ...) - Something else i think the app would need to scan the music to catalog it for manipulation. this assumes a user already has good tags. smartviews let me use criteria. what i would want is basically a graph paper like grid, kinda like a spread sheet. on the left would be album artists, then indented just a tad would be album names, then indented just a tad more would be track titles. so like this: Beatles _Help __Ticket to ride __Yesterday _Abbey Road __Here comes the Sun Cars _Candy O __Dangerous Type and so on... then, on the right would be a series of columns, with empty checkboxes. one column per named playlist. so if u have 11 columns, u have 11 playlists. then, if u put a check in the songtitle row for that column, the playlist is automatically rewritten to include it, and vice versa. if you put it on the album row, all the titles on the album are included. and on the albumartists row, all the titles on all albums are included. also, a special column should exist that if you checked the row in that column, it adds that to ALL playlists. in addition, on a per column basis, i should then be able to specify whatever criteria. so i could say any new music in this file path or subfolder should automatically be checked or any new music with this genre should automatically be checked etc. each column would have its own unique color and the playlist names would be listed in a fixed row at the top (like in excel, so u can see em even when scrolling) where they bend kind of, like at an angle, think 2 o'clock, to read. erland wrote: 3. How do you decide which order the tracks should have in the playlist ? - Random ordered tracks - Random ordered albums - Drag and drop albums to put them into the right order - Drag and drop tracks to put them into the right order - Something else this is not important to me as i would simply load and then randomize my playlists. however, if people wanted to play things in a strict order, then an option in this playlist creating app would be to not overwrite the order the playlist is in. that way, i could use this proposed app to create and select the songs, load them into winamp in AA, album, track # order, rearrange them in winamp, save in winamp, and then the proposed app would respect that ordering, but still allow to add or remove items. erland wrote: 4. What's the most frustrating limitation with SBS/LMS playlist management today ? - That it doesn't support relative paths in playlist files which are scanned - That it's too hard to reorder tracks in existing playlists - That it's too hard to create completely new playlists - Something else i almost always use the SBS random mix functions. anything else with server is a joke. erland wrote: 5. What kind of device would you like to use when modifying existing playlists ? - A computer - A tablet - A smart phone - A Logitech Controller, Radio or Touch display - A IR remote - Something else same computer. erland wrote: 6. What kind of modifications do you usually do on already existing playlists ? - Reorder tracks in the playlist - Remove tracks, albums or artists from the playlist - Add new tracks, albums or artists to the playlist - Something else Is there anything else than the above you feel is important to take into consideration if anyone would like to improve the playlist management ? to me, its all about adding or deleting tracks from a playlist, and or automating a playlist. i can envision columns where a playlist is made based on last access date, or rating, or combos of criterias, like smartviews, but its just automatically done. a user should be able to dictate if
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
erland wrote: Aren't there already other external applications that handles this well already ? i have not seen anything close to what i describe. erland wrote: The reason I started this thread was to investigate what would be needed to make something that works good for Squeezebox. I don't really use static playlists myself much, so I need information from people that actually use them to better understand the needs. Personally I mostly use smart playlists (through SQL Playlist/Dynamic Playlist) as I like to focus on listening to music rather than spending the time maintaining playlists, but I could see scenarios, like parties or special events, where the exact tracks and order of them could be important and due to this static playlists would be needed. Still, I'm skeptical if it's possible to implement it as a plugin as I think it requires a rich user interface to really work and I'm not sure the SBS/LMS web interface is suitable for this kind of usage. i think the server UI sucks for just about anything. but my point was that if you are going to do something, do something that could work for any app, not just server. thats far more useful. to me playlists are mainly about what is or is not in them. order is a secondary concern, since any decent app can randomize a playlist. if a static order needs to be maintained, a proposed app should respect that, but leave that setting of the order to other apps to do, just respect it when done. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
erland wrote: Wouldn't it just be a matter of using the m3u file which a SBS/LMS plugin/app produces ? Or am I missing something ? i don't think what i proposed could be done in server, nor do i think people who don't use server want to install it just to use such an app. sometimes folks here need to remember, most people don't own squeeze anything. i think an app like this does not need to be tied to server. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
erland wrote: Completely agree, but it needs to be tied to some kind of media manager which can provide lists of available tracks, albums and artists. If you don't tie it to a media manager you will have to implement a scanner yourself in the app. Implementing an internal scanner is certainly one way to do it, I just fear that it will result in a lot more work than basing it on a media manager that exists already. UPnP media managers is certainly a solution but their issue is that there seems to be a lot of incompatibilities between different UPnP media servers so you can't really be sure it works with all just because you have tested it with one specific. My personal intention, if I would do something, would be to try to improve the situation for people that like to use Squeezebox devices, there are plenty of other developers and forums in the world that focus on non Squeezebox users, so let's focus on the users that want to use Squeezeboxes in this forum. However, at the moment, I'm more interested in what the actual needs are instead of discussing if it's suitable to develop as a plugin or not. After we know the needs, it's possible to decide exactly how it's best to implement it. well just to be clear, what i proposed COULD be used by server, as its output dir could be scanned by server, (since you can tell server where to look for playlists). so, i guess i don't know why its better to do in server? i don't think anything good can be done in server. i don't know what u mean when u say upnp media managers but i would suggest a simple scanner that works off whatever tags it finds, one file per row. i think i laid out what i'm looking for pretty extensively, so those are my needs. i hope thats useful to you. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilation albums - problem
i should now clarify that i think comp=0, and maybe comp=1 tags will over-ride the greatest hits logic, but i'm not positive. (meaning that those tags will make server combine album tracks from differing locations into one album for display) MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31716 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] make suggestions about the new forum appearance
i'd like the icons that show you the threads you posted in to be bigger. i'd also like a tighter, less generic and less busy skin. i also notice the bottom of fonts getting cut off, like in g it gets cut a bit so it looks like q MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94513 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] make suggestions about the new forum appearance
ie9. a ctrl - or + fixes it. but whether its the fault of the browser or not, isn't the point imo. ie9 is widespread enough that things need to conform to it, however irritating that may be. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94513 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Planned outage - Wed April 4th
routehero wrote: Are you using the remember me button when you log in? i do, and it happens anyway. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
i should clarify that while apple tv doesn't directly support some 3rd party services like say pandora, it will let idevices or whatever stream them thru apple tv via airplay. airport expresses are similar, they just don't do the video but are cheaper. here's a good overview of atv: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/in_depth_review_apples_third_generation_1080p_apple_tv_and_software_update_5.html -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
you're right, i should have added that as a pro to the logitech way: is that they finally added DLNA ability to the server, long time coming, altho it doesn't seem to be the most robust or elegant or prioritized task. seems like something that was done to help revue, but now that thats dead, not sure its a big part of the agenda anymore. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Planned outage - Wed April 4th
more smilies would be nice. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
pski;698825 Wrote: How much music does an iPad hold? Or do you mean from a computer? P 16, 32, 64 gig, depends what u get. The ipad can hold the music or control it from a computer, or be the conduit that plays the music from the computer or the cloud. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
imo: the apple stuff is way easier to use its way cheaper it does video its easier for someone unitiated to just start using, ie. its more intuitive it handles multiple wifi hops, (slim typically only does one robustly) the only real advantages of slim stuff are: sound quality syncing, (which most people don't care about) some online services apple won't do and the fact that it isn't apple, so u can do flacs and RG, avoid itunes, and so on, but most people don't care about that either. and in fact, most people wouldn't care or perceive a difference in the sound quality. so what you have, is an expensive product, that is exponentially more expensive to expand, that doesn't do video, that for many people isn't easy or fun to use. not to mention, developers who won't even commit to fixing ONE top ten voted bug a release. its a frustrating product, b/c it COULD be good, you can easily imagine it being tweaked to become good, but the overwhelming feeling i get, is that they don't think thinks like UI navigation, which is antique, unusual, awkward, and frankly laughable, is worth the effort to make good. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why does this goes to Various Artists...
update? -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
personally, i like the full CD, in its case, stored on the wall. to me, saying that you are reclaiming that space is like saying its time to throw books away b/c u have them on a kindle. i like a bookshelf with books on it, and i like cd shelves with CDs on it. call me old fashioned. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why does this goes to Various Artists...
JENCDK;694667 Wrote: - how many albums are being called comps by server that are not comps in reality? I have one album, in one folder, that is handled wrong. That is, ending up being handled with the Various Artists functionality by SB-server. I have 7 other albums that is handled correctly. All 8 albums (7 correct and the 1 wrong) are in each own folder (8 of them) and all 8 have Album Artist tag set to the same name and Album tag to the same name. ok, so only one album is getting improperly handled. thats not so bad. lets be clear though... the one album that is improperly handled, HOW SO? meaning, is it getting called a comp and in reality it is not a comp? or what? JENCDK;694667 Wrote: - what are they called/named? The 7 are e.g. Careless Whisper disc 1, Careless Whisper disc 2, Burning Love, etc. The one handles wrong is Diverse Musik and for that I have also tried Blandet musik (the last two are danish language :-) All the mentioned for Album tag. For the Album Artist tag all 8 has Diverse Kunstnere. again, the language thing throws me. here's what i want you to do. for the album that is categorized incorrectly, change the album tag to XYZ and the AA tag to ABC (both for all tracks) and make all the artist tags represent the actual artist of the song per track. then do a full clear and rescan, and let us know where the album ends up. it SHOULD end up under ABC and NOT in the various artists category. IF it does end up in the VA category, it means at least one of the tracks must have a comp=1 tag on it. but lets do that and see what happens. JENCDK;694667 Wrote: - what format are they in? The 7 is in WMA, the 8th is a combination of MP3 and WMA. thats a red flag to me right there. why mix formats on a single album? that kind of thing leads to issues like this. JENCDK;694667 Wrote: BUT!!! i have tried isolating the folder to be ONLY wma - where it handles correctly. Only MP3 where is handles wrong. And a combination of WMA and MP3 where it handles correctly with some of the MP3's and handles wrong if it is combined with others of the MP3. I have tried file-by-file to identify the files that results in errournous handling. Therefore my question from yesterday - how to see full tags, e.g TPE2 Those MP3's that results in the errournous handling must have some odd attribute somewhere, i guess. I just can't put my finger to it from MP3Tag-software. we're definitely getting closer, and i do think that at times, one track with a stray tag can affect a whole album. the first thing i would do is break the album into two parts, a WMA part and a mp3 part, and create a folder for each. then i would scan and see which part works and which doesn't. if WMA works, then the problem is a stray tag somewhere in the mp3s. you should drill down to the song info level in server for EACH mp3 at that point and examine the tags. whatever is happening can only happen if server can see it. also, MAKE SURE you have ONLY ONE tag type. i suggest id3v2.3 JENCDK;694667 Wrote: - personally, i don't mix formats. so you are saying it is ONLY mp3 files that are getting classified wrong? do they have id3 and wma tags in them, or just wma? are they in folders with wma files? As mentioned. I have tried isolating formats and not mixing them. The WMA's goes fine. The MP3 (also when isolated to MP3's) goes wrong. The MP3's does not have WMA tags in them. you're getting closer. JENCDK;694667 Wrote: - mp3tag calls TPE2 album artist it doesn't show frame names. So I don't risk there is a confused/wrong TPE2 tag, when I verify Album Artist tag to be correct in MP3Tag? What do you mean by it doesn't show frame names. TPE2 = a frame name. it doesn't show you TPE1 either, just Artist thats how mp3tag works. its not showing you frame names, but rather the name the frame represents. JENCDK;694667 Wrote: - have you drilled down to the song info level in server and looked at the raw tags server finds? Yes. And it didn't ring any bells. I'm not at my computer with the music right now, but will try this once again. I run my SB server from my Synology Nas, via SB-software downloaded from synology.com. This shouldn't be an issue, should it? prob not. what ver server are you running? u will need to drill down to EACH and ALL problem mp3s to look for stray tags, and make sure you only have one tag type first. try using this formula in mp3tag for tag types: %_tag_read%[ (%_tag%)] -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336
Re: [slim] Why does this goes to Various Artists...
garym;695006 Wrote: for example, in LMS settings, I've set my compilations to be named Compilations rather than Various Artists. right... whats important is that whatever the value is, the actual string you use, it has to be something that is NOT in any of your A or AA tags. the point is to avoid ANY possible string conflict. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why does this goes to Various Artists...
JENCDK;694486 Wrote: Hi again I have now stripped all extra tags, and the problem remains the same. A folder where each and every file has the same Album Artist and Album tag, is handled as a compilation, which it should not. ok, we need you to start getting specific here. how many albums are being called comps by server that are not comps in reality? what are they called/named? what format are they in? do you have one album per folder? JENCDK;694486 Wrote: It does not seem to be my WMA files that makes this happen, as if I only have these files in the folder, everything goes as expected, and the folder is correctly not handled as a compilation. If I add MP3 files, some of them handles correctly. Whereas others does not handle correctly and results in the entire folder to be handled wrongly as a compilation. I have tried one-by-one to discover some that handles correctly and some wrong. I cannot see any differences in files or in tags in files, for the ones handles correctly and the ones handled wrongly. personally, i don't mix formats. so you are saying it is ONLY mp3 files that are getting classified wrong? do they have id3 and wma tags in them, or just wma? are they in folders with wma files? JENCDK;694486 Wrote: I use MP3Tag to view tags. I don't see a TPE2 tag, and can see that this is referenced more places for Squeezebox Server. - Which other program than MP3Tag could I use to see TPE2 tags, and other relevant tags, to see if I can find the wrong info this way? mp3tag calls TPE2 album artist it doesn't show frame names. have you drilled down to the song info level in server and looked at the raw tags server finds? -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why does this goes to Various Artists...
hi OP, i'm quite ill as well, so thats ok. :) bug 9523 is a very stupid string conflict built into server. basically, server whats to make Various Artists a special category, and so if you happen to have any tracks, as MANY MANY people do, that don't have any comp tags, but have either AA values or A values of Various Artists then server will hide the music from you. see: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9523 the best fix is this bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604 please vote for both. the easy workaround is to either add explicit Comp=1 tags, or change the setting in server to the special cateory name for VA, to something not in conflict with any of your tag strings. having said that, it sounds like your problem is that thing are getting classified as comps that shouldn't be, correct? if you do have AA tags and you don't have explicit comp=1 tags, then i don't know how or why server would think something is a comp. it probably wouldn't hurt for you to clear your server cache and do a full clear and rescan. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why does this goes to Various Artists...
JENCDK;693414 Wrote: And now another ask for help. Some of you proposed I should only have and ID3v2 (and no ID3v1) as you see I have both. Actually, in the folder with the errounous VA-handlingn there is only ID3v2.3 and WMA. i think this is the answer. mp3tag will only show you one tag layer at a time. it probably is showing you the id3 layer. server meanwhile will read all layers and merge them, so i think server is using the wma comp tag, ergo why server is calling it a comp. i only use flac and mp3. so i use only vorbis for flac, and only id3v2.3 for mp3. regardless of what format you use, i find its best to only have one type of tag in it. JENCDK;693414 Wrote: But I do have ID3v1 in other folders. So - how do I upgrade the easiest from ID3v1 to ID3v2, just retaining existing tags without adding og changing any tags? And in general, if I find an odd tag in one single file to be the culprit, - how do I -remove- that tag. Meaning, not setting it to zero, or blank, but fully remove that tag as a registration? as stated, use mp3tag. u just do some simple config, where it removes all but v2.3 and then do a tag cut and tag paste. be careful tho, experiment first! mp3tag will also fully remove frames u don't want. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Dear Squeezebox, still love you
i like my SBs, but i don't love them. still too much clunkyness, too many unresolved but basic bugs. still, the #1 reason i got a SB, high audio quality, still exists, and so i am grateful for that. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93924 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Scanning - Metadata Changes
emalvick;693511 Wrote: Does it really over-ride the AA tag in terms of browsing, though? Back at one point while messing with the comp tag, if I had a comp tag + AA (AA not equal to VA) the album would show up both under the AA and under the VA (Compilations) menu... i.e. it seemed they were given equal browsing. That could have changed though (my experience was back at 7.3 days). right, thats the expected behavior. if you hadn't added a comp tag, then it would show up ONLY under the AA tag, and not the server VA category, b/c to server it isn't a comp. since AA tags mean to server something isn't a comp, (which i think is an incredibly stupid assumption to make, but thats what server does), the explicit comp tag over-rides it, and you get the album in both places. gary, i don't think what ur talking about applies here... i have things that have AA tags that aren't artist tags that show up, like Soundtrack (Film) if it is the AA tag and has a comp tag, it will be in both places, A tags don't apply. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93812 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Scanning - Metadata Changes
one of the problems with server imo, is that you can't switch easily on the fly between browsing just album artists, or all artists. in any case, i put an album artist on everything. for comps, sometimes its Various Artists but sometimes its Soundtrack (Film) or something like that. i basically feel like you in that i don't want all the comps i have given one default label. its really debatable if server even needs to know something is a comp or not, but for the sake of itunes users i have added explicit comp tags to my files, which over-rides the AA tag for comp status. these links might shed some light on things for you: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Various_Artists_logic http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Compilations -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93812 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why does this goes to Various Artists...
it would be nice if the OP would respond, but one of the things thrwoing me here on the diagnosis is the different language. like, is his OS in Danish? his server? does that impact bug 9523? also, even if he isn't using an AA tag, if he sets all his artists tags to be in conflict with the VA string, he'll still suffer from bug 9523. high time to get bug 15604 done, as it has at least 39 votes now, and will solve 9523. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why does this goes to Various Artists...
chances are this is a tagging or location issue. first, are all the problem files in one folder location? i find with server that its best to put one album = one folder. second, i agree about making sure all files are only using one tag type. for mp3, i only use id3v2.3 third, in server, have you drilled down to the song level info? look there, b/c u will see everything that server sees as tags. a stray weird sort tag or something like that could be the cause. also, i assume the AA tag itself does not = Various Artists as that causes problems which need workarounds in default server. i also assume u have server set to treat TPE2 as AA since this is how most all apps treat TPE2 (de facto standard, but out of spec) fourth, are the tags in english or translated by the app? what is meant by recognizes is that people can annotate AA tags in different ways. in english, for flac it could be ALBUM ARTIST or ALBUMARTIST etc... in id3v2, it could be TPE2 or TXXX ALBUMARTIST or TXXX ALBUM ARTIST etc... so it has to be a method server knows to interpret as AA. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ps3 + lms + flac
so is LMS transcoding the flac to PCM? (which is raw audio, like a wav, right?) i'm just wondering at what stage things happen? if u had a mp3, and the device did not natively support mp3, would LMS transcode the mp3 to PCM and serve it that way? is PCM the first option the device tries next if the codec isn't supported? -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91310 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
logitech products are becoming increasingly unnecessary for most users... thats the real issue. on the one hand you have apple and all its tight integration that for most apple people works very well, or at least, prefectly for them. airplay is now becoming a standard that 3rd party hardware incorporate. on the other hand, other hardware is integrating more and more dlna/upnp type things, also right into TVs and receivers and game systems. logitech meanwhile, sells an audio only platform that requires mastering a fairly complicated server which has an extremely unintuitive and unforgiving browse exp. what boggles my mind, is logitech makes money from hardware sales, not server development. why they haven't concentrated more on hardware, and making the server just be a middleware layer that allow any app to send the A/V to the hardware, i can't understand. it would save them tons of money from continuing to develop server, which as a music player, is an antique at best. and besides, as audio only, its not only niche, but imo, doomed. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
erland;686715 Wrote: Does anyone know which audio quality you get through AirPlay ? Does it allow some lossless format or is everything encoded through some lossy codec ? i have no idea how airplay works, but i suspect it allows for different codecs, and it might transcode or something based on wireless speed. see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lossless The Apple Lossless Encoder (the software for encoding into ALAC files) was introduced into the Mac OS X Core Audio framework on April 28, 2004 together with the QuickTime 6.5.1 update, and thus available in iTunes as of version 4.5 and above. The codec is also used in the AirPort Express's AirPlay implementation. and: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPlay so one would hope that all airplay was lossless, but i doubt it. besides, if the source material is lossy, why bother? its prob like DLNA in that way. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
DaveWr;686743 Wrote: Everything is converted to 16 bit 44 khz cd standard ALAC according to Linn, who have incorporated Airplay support in their v expensive streamers. They have also added Songcast to support high sample rate 24 bit music. that seems really odd... why bother to make a mp3 lossless to send wirelessly? and whats really odd about it, is i have seen in practice, music go from a laptop, wirelessly, to a router, to an airport express and / or apple tv, again, wirelessly, and not hiccup even once. pretty remarkable considering its lossless thru the hops, and LMS essentially requires itself to be hardwired to the router, even for lossy stuff. color me confused. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.7.2b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 55k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/desktop/231902887?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
thx a lot, i'll work on it later, (i forgot how i installed it last time... i think i moved it over with bluetooth or something, then did some weird stuff to get it to install. droid is like dos once you're out of their gui expected system) -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beta: SqueezeConfig - UDAP Config tool for Android
shouldn't SCon find my SB2 even if its in standby mode or connected to my SB if it otherwise works and isn't wired? -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76584 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
yours works? i installed it to my phone, and it worked for a while, but then it stopped, saying it had expired or something like that. LAME. how do i get it to work again? -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
sebp;666716 Wrote: Net::UDAP is *NOT* flatterman's droid beta utility, but Robin Bowes' original utility written in Perl. right you are, duh on me, thx. flattermann;666728 Wrote: If you talk about SqueezeConfig, it probably told you Expired. Please update to a newer version.. Maybe you should try what it says... :-) Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk thx for the response. back when this first happened, (some time ago) there either wasn't a newer version, OR not a DL link. if there is now, cool, where do i find it? also, i wish it wouldn't expire, b/c its a pita to install since u can't via the market. having said all that, i use that and your app and i love both, thanks for doing it! -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Big Party
when you do RG, there's only two gain tag frames/fields, track and album. thats it. (and two peak files that go with them to avoid clipping). all smart gain does is pick which one to use, based on upcoming playlist. thats it. so all its designed to do, is keep the user from manually having to switch between track or album [gain]. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90336 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Big Party
did u use smart crossfading? i'd like to see a beat mixing plugin. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90336 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beta: SqueezeConfig - UDAP Config tool for Android
my squeeze config says its expired too, which is odd since its free. has anyone found a link to one that works? -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76584 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] trade old SB for 50% coupon?
this is a long shot, but... i got a coupon good until sept.14th for 50% off ANY product on logitech.com (except the revue) and i don't really want to buy anything... but i figured someone here might? anyone care to give me an old squeezebox 1 or 2 or 3 you're not using anymore, or even slimp3 player, for it? maybe a duet? you could get a touch for $150 with it, (saving $150). lots of other stuff there to buy too. i wanted a $50 revue, but its the one thing they excluded. thx. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90237 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Tags?
i believe SBS should support id3 in FLAC, (as legacy support) but i also believe anyone reading this or any tag editor should properly clean up their files, since there no longer is a reason to have id3 in FLAC. i strip any id3s from my flacs. in EAC, make sure your FLAC config has turned off insert id3 tags. also, there are many year frames in id3, so you have to be sure which frame is used/edited. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89957 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] amber lAMPS!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-20092933-47/top-10-great-sounding-amplifiers-from-$40-to-$450/?tag=epicStories retro! cool stuff. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 ie9 xp pro sp3 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89766 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Probably the Worst Update in The World ...
i would also suggest you document your problems in full and file bugs, and try to bring them to Michael's and Andy's attention b/c i am fairly sure they don't want these things to happen to others, and would therefore like to fix it for you. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89152 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why recommend someone to get a Squeezebox ?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88915 Question: Why recommend someone to get a Squeezebox ? - Its excellent audio quality - Best price/performance on the market - Excellent hardware/software quality of the whole solution - Great support for online streaming services - Great support for browsing and playing local music - The possiblity to extend it to multiple rooms later on - Its support for third party plugins - The possibility to directly interact with Logitech regarding new features/bugs - This community and forum - I wouldn't recommend a Squeezebox to anyone i voted: Its excellent audio quality i couldn't in good conscience vote for anything else. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Probably the Worst Update in The World ...
umapati;645890 Wrote: Thanx a lot...But do you think I should switch back to older version OR upgrade to nightly version before starting or connecting my SB touch..? Bcoz I am still at the starting point.. i usually run the betas, so 7.6.1b is what i'd suggest for you. however, i should state that i have not yet gone to 7.6, as my fear is it isn't ready yet. do u know where the bugs are filed? once done, paste the bug link to a post in the beta section of the forums. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89152 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ReplayGain - How effective?
Ryssen;645386 Wrote: Doesn´t the use of RG comparable with turning down (or up) a digital volume control,you lose resolution? imo, RG is exactly like turning up or down the gain on an analog amp volume knob, except the gain is applied in the digital realm, and so less distortive. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88971 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech CEO Steps down
i actually think it makes some sense for microsoft or google to buy logitech. however, i think harmony remotes are basically obsolete. its already the case that a lot of new products have remote apps run from tablets and phones, etc... much better than even dedicated remotes. tivo has a really cool app for instance. so do some TVs and receivers. if the revue can bring droid and sbs/lms to your tv/stereo, i see real potential in that. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89129 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech CEO Steps down
i see your point, but for that the cheap remote that comes with the device is sufficient, the harmony seems surperfluous between the native remote and the apps. i find with my droid though, i like using it more (most of the time) than normal remotes. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89129 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ReplayGain - How effective?
here's a pic of the winammp RG implementation. interestingly, along with apply gain, the dropdown also has normalize but i don't use that or really know how its different in practice. what winamp does not have, is a smartgain feature, where it uses track or album gain as appropriate as per the playlist. +---+ |Filename: RG.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12137| +---+ -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88971 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ReplayGain - How effective?
i've been using it for several years now, and i find it works pretty well. one thing to look for, is peak values, the forgotten RG tags. using those is how it avoids clipping, and so a track might be played back quieter than it otherwise would be, to avoid the clip. usually not an issue, but if something sounds too quiet it might have a momentary loud spike in it or something like that. the internet radio thing is an old complaint, vote for this bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2431 and http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3152 and http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4335 and http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4362 having said all that, i do find that sometimes some things seem louder or quieter than all the rest, BUT for the most part, i think it does its job and does it well. ps. i would also like to see a RG pre-amp so a user can adjust the 89db reference level. this is available in winamp. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88971 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech CEO Steps down
maybe this is why 7.6 came out now, so they could move on to LMS and support the revue, b/c the revue is the future while audio only products are the past. i've been saying for a long time now that they needed a cheap audio endpoint, and the revue could be one (with video as a bonus). if they do get honeycomb into it, it could rescue the product. make no mistake, the current situation is very bleak, and this could all not only end badly, but end quickly. however, a LMS server, that can do upnp / dlna / audio/video and operate with a $99 honeycomb powered endpoint is VERY appealing to me, and i think others, if it in fact works well. frankly, i'm shocked anyone is buying a touch at all. to me, the writing is on the wall for that kind of thing. one last point... maybe they will run LMS IN the revue... turn LMS into an android app the way they did SP. just a thought... -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89129 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What The **** Do I Need?
don't miss the point, i also hate itunes... but the wifi part of that eco-system is much better, its more robust and reliable, works easier, etc... say what you will about itunes, i'll agree with it most likely, but the airplay portion of what they do is very kickass, and its why you now see 3rd party hardware support it. i wonder if eventually someone will create a SBS/itunes server type hybrid...? some kind of open source server that supports airplay? if they did, it would really solve a lot of issues for most people on both sides of this. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
have you guys seen the apple TV? for $99 you have a simple, easy to use piece of hardware that can stream audio and video digitally. your ipod and/or iphone can control it as soon as its plugged in, or use the tiny 3 button remote that comes with it. what does logitech have to compete with that? SBS? the revue? this is the problem. logitech solutions have basically one selling point: do you hate apple? then use us. yes, i like the HQ audio things, and of course SBS is better in many ways than itunes, but how many people care about that? for most people, (not me, but most others) itunes sounds and acts fine. how many also want some kind of video for their money? and we saw what a gigantic thud flop the revue was, and not surprising given the money involved. i think logitech needs to really reduce the cost of the hardware first of all. and secondly, the hardware ought to support DLNA, so you can use other stuff besides SBS, like WMP for example. its getting harder and harder to justify going the slim way. it is positioned, as far as i can tell, only for audiophiles who hate apple, and out of those, only those audiophiles for who other easier, cheaper solutions aren't good enough. did i mention video? obviously they have clue about this, as the coming transition to LMS is slated to finally, finally include DLNA in the server, as well as some (planned anyway) video support. but talk bout coming late to the party. imo, the current hardware is too expensive, too poorly thought out, and not capable of sustaining slim as things quickly evolve around them. for now, i am avoiding the apple universe, and other competing solutions to SBS have their own drawbacks and so on that don't yet overcome my investment in slim, but if someone came out with say, a $99 product that wasn't apple, that let me use whatever software i want to send audio or video to it, to play on my stereo or whatever, i'd dump slim in a second. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
erland;636517 Wrote: Yes but they have decided to not sell it in Sweden, at least not yet. I could import it but it still loose a lot of its attractiveness without support for Netflix and similar services which aren't available in Sweden. Streaming from iTunes on a desktop is not something I plan to do. just fyi, you don't have to. many NAS boxes, like readynas for example, come with a built in itunes server. whats great about that, is you can then use apple hardware, without actually needing a mac, or running itunes on a computer. erland;636517 Wrote: And AppleTV is too cheep. Well, I'm happy it's this cheep, but compared to anything else it's really cheep for what it does. Apple can release it this cheep because they can sell a lot of them, someone like Logitech would have a hard time selling similar amount of devices so they need to increase the prices a little bit. well, over here, we don't pity the losers. you compete or you get out. with the touch / revue being THREE TIMES the price of apple TV, (and airport express is even cheaper) logitech needs to up its game, BIG TIME. its not a small difference. erland;636517 Wrote: However, I do agree with you partly, the Touch have too slow CPU and too little memory to be a server and too fast CPU and too much memory to just be a player, so if the CPU and/or memory results in a higher price they definitely selected the wrong hardware configuration. Personally I suspect it's a lot of other things than CPU/memory that sets the price, for example the display, and I also suspect the CPU/memory were restricted by the selected hardware platform at the time so they maybe didn't have much choices. They do now, but not when they started to develop the Touch. i basically agree with you, but i said from the start that the touch was a dopey, flawed product. as you make clear, its too expensive to be just aplayer, and too under powered to be a true server, and i would add to that, that most people will have it attached to a stereo, and won't want or need to sit right next to it to control it, and likewise will be too far away from it for the screen to truly matter. the whole thing is just really poorly thought out imo. what should they have? two devices with no screens. one (more expensive) with server and one without. then let phone apps (or computer based SP) control them, set them up, and act as remotes. if that takes off and sales are good, then consider a third model which adds a screen. the devices should also support DLNA; DLNA shouldn't be on the server (7.6) only. erland;636517 Wrote: Apple is mass market, so if you want mid-range audio quality and simplicity, that's where you should go. If you want high-end audio and customization possibilities, you will never get that from Apple because things like that doesn't sell on the mass market it just increase the price and maintenance/support costs. i would argue that if someone was sending music digitally to their stereo via apple hardware/itunes, you would be hard pressed to actually hear the difference in a similar SBS digital setup. but i know there's a lot of religious audiophiles here, so i'll just say i think most people would fail a double blind test between the two. but i do agree that apples software is totally lacking and crap, and there are many good reasons i agree with, not to use it. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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i'd say its uninteresting (to the mass market) b/c it doesn't yet support airplay (or the audio part of it) and b/c the UI is not one UI for all. if it ever does, it becomes nteresting, and then the Q is the degree to which it does. i could be mistaken, but my impression is to do all those things it does currently, VB basically runs separate apps to do them. i think a single open source unified UI, that can run slim, apple, or dlna, (and tivo or whatever else etc), equally well is something of a holy grail. although, my belief is that really a developer would just need to replace itunes with their server and support airplay/dlna with such an open source project to be successful. one imagines such a project could do what itunes does, better. adding in slim support would be nice, but not needed (to be successful). -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti;636532 Wrote: I'm neither an audiophile nor an Apple-hater, but AppleTV is completely useless to me simply because it doesn't have analog audio outputs. Yes, it streams audio, but does everyone have amps with digital inputs these days? i can't say about apple tv, as i have had little exposure to it. but airport express and other similar apple devices let you do analog or digital. however, my guess is the analog DAC sucks. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;636533 Wrote: Without the display the Touch would be completely useless to me. I prioritize the display a lot higher than then built-in server, but I realize I'm not the target user of Logitech neither is most of the people on this forum. it would still be a player, and while i can see limited cases where it fits as is, i think in trying to be all things to all people, it actually succeeds in being aggravating to most people. i will NEVER buy a touch. erland;636533 Wrote: How would DNLA support on player side result in higher earnings for Logitech ? its obvious! people want flexible solutions. if i could use ANYTHING other than SBS to power the hardware, i would! and so would many other people! i would love to use software i feel is better, more fun, more familiar, to play on the HQ slim hardware. thats my DREAM. if the players had this, i'd have like 3 or 4 more slim devices FOR SURE. and yes, i realize i'd not be able to sync without SBS, so i know that, but i could still fire up SBS but knowing that wouldn't stop me from getting more boxes. the hardware is where they make money, not developing the software! erland;636533 Wrote: - It will cause more support issues from users with third party servers - It will cause more time in quality assurance to ensure their players works towards third party servers - It will result in decreased number of sold server hardware boxes (if they decided to release server hardware) funny, LOTS of companies seem totally able to sell successful dlna players, are you saying logitech can't? the biggest drain on logitech is developing SBS imo. if they had more sales, they could get avg users into other apps to power the hardware, and still have more resources for developing the player and SBS. it could be win win. erland;636533 Wrote: I guess theoretically, it could result in more sold players if Logitech creates a crappy server and there is someone else creating a better DLNA server. Still, I've a hard time seeing how Logitech will benefit from DLNA on player side. I still believe the main reason they do it on the server side is to get support for Logitech Revue and possibly because they have some big plans to create future simple DLNA players which won't need SqueezeOS based firmware and due to this not support things like mysqueezebox.com and multi room audio. A simple player with simpler software would be more similar to other stuff Logitech produces. who knows what they have planned or why. i see little rhyme or reason in ANYTHING they do. but if someone wants to buy the hardware to use with a different piece of software, like WMP which is a DLNA server, then that only makes the potential marketplace for their hardware bigger! most people i show SBS to don't get it and think it sucks, and they are basically right. its complex, not fun, not flexible, and generally a pain in the ass. erland;636533 Wrote: I completely agree, most people don't even hear difference between high bitrate MP3 and FLAC, some people will object but they'd still fail a MP3 vs FLAC blind test. yep. :) erland;636533 Wrote: Main problem for me with iTunes is that it isn't server based, it means that I have to use a specific desktop computer to access my music library. Still, I'm not their typical user, so you can't really blame them. At least they will finally make wireless syncing with portable devices possible in next release, so they are moving in the right direction. Apple does a lot of great things but iTunes isn't one of them, at least not yet. i don't understand you here. itunes IS a server app. also, like i said, a lot of NAS boxes, even cheap ones, come with an itunes server built in. so in other words, you could run a NAS box, or cheapo headless system with itunes in a closet, and stream from your iphone to your apple tv via it, np. its the best thing about what they do, b/c where the music is played from, where its played to, is all very easy to control and very flexible not to mention intuitive. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;636576 Wrote: If you believe you'll get more flexibility out of DLNA you are wrong. DLNA is OK for video (where the controller is in the player and you are dealing with single files) but for audio it's a failed technology and will go away - and I say that as someone who's actually doing active DLNA related development right now! thats not what i meant. i want DLNA to allow me the flexibility to not use SBS. ie. to power the slim hardware with other software solutions. so i wasn't wrong. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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other servers that do DLNA can be remote controlled. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;636584 Wrote: No. Not a single one. Servers are never remote controlled via DLNA. Renderers are. That's the problem. A server in DLNA is just a data source, all the logic has to be in the renderer. i didn't say the server would be remote controlled by DLNA. i said other servers that do DLNA can be remote controlled. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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this is EXACTLY what SBS is doing. i guess you think thats nonsense? sbs 7.6 will do DLNA, and can be remote controlled by your app, theirs, or others. SBS is not the only server of which that paradigm will be true. i don't know why you're so intent with finding fault with what i said, but i have said nothing wrong, nothing nonsensical. i think you misconstrued my meaning at each step however. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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my apologies if i am mistaken then, but i was under the impression that if you have a DLNA client, like say a PS3, you could send to it video or music files from say WMP, which is a DLNA server. meaning, that a user, via WMP directly, could control what went out over the DLNA client. so, are you saying that isn't the case? that only the DLNA client can control whats called to play? if so my fault entirely then for misunderstanding how it all works. i might be confusing what microsoft can do with its media center and xbox 360, which i know is different, but i thought roughly the same. i thought with twonky or foobar or whatever DLNA server, you could use the app/server to control what went out to the DLNA device. pleaase let me know if i have this all wrong. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ok, so tell me if i have this straight: if, in theory, you had a single piece of software that was both a DLNA server, and a DLNA control point, it could, in theory, be remote controlled by an app similar to ipeng, and control what is played over the DLNA renderer? is that possible in at least theory as laid out above? b/c if it is, thats what i'd want. let the slim hardware be the DLNA renderer, and let something else, that can be remote controlled by droid/iphone, etc, be the DLNA server and CP. that would, in theory, free you from SBS. this is what i thought was/could be possible and what i was advocating. obviously, it would benefit logitech b/c their hardware would be solutions for people who otherwise have DLNA servers/control points and don't want to use SBS. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88170 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;636539 Wrote: I'd argue that the reason the mass market doesn't buy it is because: 1. They don't know it exists 2. They think it's too expensive 3. The applications it bundles is still too geeky for the mass market well, they could install it freely on old hardware, so i think 1 and 3 are good reasons, but its a different question. you asked why the VB might be uninteresting. now you are asking why the mass market doesn't buy it. not truly the same thing, at least in so far as the way i was answering it. the context was me suggesting a SBS-like open source server, that would support airplay, slim, (and DLNA devices, etc). in that context, i was saying VB is not there yet, ie. not interesting to me. erland;636539 Wrote: AirPlay support would certainly help but to get AirPlay you can just get a $99 AppleTV and you have what you like, as I've understood you don't even have to have it connected to iTunes if you only want to use AirPlay. AppleTV is cheap even if you only use it as a wireless iPad - TV and iPad - Amplifier connector. again, it becomes interesting, that was the Q. but would it be adopted by the mass market? that depends on how well the implementation was done imo. a lot of people would like to use the apple gear without the apple software though for local tunes (or vids) that aren't all on smallish pods/pads. software that was capable of running apple gear, slim gear, dlna gear, more or less equally well has a good chance of being widely adopted imo. imagine using an iphone or ipad or droid or computer or whatever to remote control the server, which in turn can play to just about any gear you've got. in other words, one ring to rule them all. lots of people have a mix of gear... even apple diehards have game consoles for instance. think of my suggestion as a universal translator. don't know if this is legal, but there is this: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/04/12/apples-airplay-goes-open-source-sorta/ afaik, slim proto is open source, and DLNA is too, mostly, right? erland;636539 Wrote: It has a common home page from which you can launch the different apps. no good. it has to be unified, and smart enough to know what protocol to use for what device, all under the hood. erland;636539 Wrote: My experience is that community based open source projects with a few exceptions rarely result in unified simple UI's. true, but it could take the SBS route... a company pairs it with its hardware and yet makes it available for other hardware. great way to get adopted. besides, i see this solution as being much less visible than the SBS one. more of a handheld remote operated type thing. erland;636539 Wrote: And how would this developer be economically successful ? By also producing and selling hardware ? it depends how it was developed. lots of community projects have different strategies. u see slim adding DLNA to their server now already. (i don't know if their DLNA includes a control point or not, but it should). maybe they add airplay too. maybe they have their hardware able to be controlled by other DLNA capable software. suddenly, they are the master of all possibilities, agnostics, and flexible. thats a selling point. and people would buy the hardware knowing that it will be extra capable, and knowing that the software will also handle their other non-slim hardware. my only beef with that scenario, is that i don't like SBS as is. i'd prefer making something cross platform like foobar into this jack of all trades. erland;636539 Wrote: Honestly, I don't think you will get what you want through the open source community, it's too scattered and geeky to accomplish something unified that's also simple to use and ready for mass market usage. VortexBox is how close it's going to get, it already today solves the complicated ripping, tagging and installation stuff, but I suspect it will never get much further than that. It will focus more on supporting new communication protocols than building a unified UI. However, I think AirPlay (audio) might be a possibility, because that's just about supporting an additional communication protocol. I doubt it will ever support licensed AirPlay through Apple, if supported it will probably used the hacked solution through ShairPort. you're probably right, thats why for now i just want the slim hardware to be DLNA capable. if the revue is going to be, i don't see how/why they wouldn't add that ability to the next gen SB hardware. at least that way, i could buy the slim hardware, which is how they make money, and at the same time not have to use SBS, my dream, (and SBS is the big unfunded drain on resources) -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604
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considering that there's probably 1000 times more itunes installs than SBS ones, i think its safe to say that as a percentage, they exp less issues overall, and actually given how many more there are, thats pretty amazing. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;636170 Wrote: Yea Sonos solution is to use it's own proprietary network, thus freeing themself from user errors in network setup, left only with the figth against nature and other radio sources . Reading this forum makes you wonder , same people always get network problems and new server versions always breaks their install ? I'll bet that an upgrade whose only diff where the version numbers would also break their installs, some peoples computer environment seems very fragile like a house of cards ? if so, then why is it only slim gear that exhibits difficulties? in other words, in my exp, i have seen the above, but only with slim, not apple, not tivo, not other gear. the very first problem i had almost instantly with slim, that still isn't fully solved btw, (but after YEARS has improved to some degree, including some bug / code fixes made at my urging) was listening to a shoutcast stream. slim simply couldn't handle it, going into buffering mode and so on. all the pro slimmers, some of which are here in this thread i think (if not literally, than in spirit), wanted to first blame my network, the environment, etc, and when i made clear it was totally normal, and that i could always ROBUSTLY and RELIABLY stream the same shoutcast on a wifi laptop with winamp, they actually resorted to saying that it wasn't fair to compare the dinky ip3k slim solution to that. not fair? well, i couldn't disagree more. first of all, its sold to people saying you can do that, without even needing a computer! secondly, it IS supposed to be able to do that, anything said to the contrary is nonsense. my main beef is that in almost all cases when i have problems with slim stuff that i report, even after years of using it, the reaction from other users / devs, is to blame me, my setup, etc... and do everything possible not to blame slim. the problem is that it almost ALWAYS IS slim. and in my case, i feel that an even bigger problem is that none of the devs live in windows, and so you run up against all kinds of issues that seem to come from that. and once you prove it must be slim, you're lucky if the devs actually do anything about it, which granted it may not be easy or possible, but communiction on such issues would be nice. i have real bugs that they know about that they refuse to fix, one i can think of goes back to 2008. having said all that, i am still using it, for now. but the marketplace seems to be catching up to them. i am hopeful with some things they are doing, like the DLNA, but the lack of resources and so on is problematic, and waiting on 7.6 has become a joke. logitech really needs to step up their game if they expect this stuff to survive. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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the flipside of that is all the people with problems who never post, but just give up, return, whatever... -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What The **** Do I Need?
this is actually a perfect example of what i'm talking about that some people are trying to dismiss. u need to know very little to almost nothing to setup a wifi apple device, and once you do, its basically forever. compare that to the ip3k products, which many people here, some posting how easy this all is, don't even attempt dhcp with anymore. true, the OP is talking touch but i seem to recall a lot of problems with the touch when it rolled out anyway, no? in addition, airplay has no problems with multiple wifi hops. i was able to stream from a laptop hd via wifi to a router back to a wifi APX. absolutely no drops, no problem, just plug and play. i was even able to have the laptop grab the music off of a NAS, that was wired to the router, but again the laptop was wifi. compare that to slim stuff, which basically can't do more than one wifi hop period, usually the router to the device. now, like the OP i hate mac/apple stuff, i get it when he says its in the genes. but a lot of people in my family like the stuff, and it does do some things well, that slim does not match. to all the people saying this stuff is no muss, no fuss, i say take it to someone who is NOT into computers, and watch them try to set it up from scratch, without your help, and then compare that to someone doing the same with apple. it just isn't the same, its silly to try to say it is. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What The **** Do I Need?
RockinFX;635521 Wrote: Well, it was honestly meant to convey nothing more than my abject level of frustration and desperation as I am well and truly lost. I have tried to get my head around the technology, I really have. Obviously to little or no avail. My sincere apologies for any misunderstanding. That said, I really appreciate the advice. I am seriously networked audio challenged and didn't have a grasp of what is required in terms of ancillary devices needed in addition to my laptop and receiver. I was set for Sonos until I discovered that I'd need a NAS or stand-alone computer to host the files in a way that Sonos supported. I knew then I did not have a handle on this project as it seems (to me) a fairly simple task for a powerful laptop and very under-utilized network. A single device to provide the glue was what I hoped for and it appears that the Touch and Squeezebox Server would let me do exactly what I want without having to continuously power additional storage. Sweet! Thanks to you both! you've gotten a lot of responses from pros. but it sounds to me like you want something that just works thats easy, robust, etc... i would suggest then that this product is not for you. a lot of people on here might disagree and say they never have issues, blah blah blah. well, just read posts here. this is a complicated product that one could find many nice things to say about it, but robust and reliable don't head the list. or come in the middle. i think for the user who wants easy, you want something like this: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86052 there are lots of options, many of which are confusing, but i break it down like this: 1. itunes freaks: use an airport express or another airplay device, like apple tv or the pioneer receiver i posted about [elsewhere in this forum] earlier (APX can do analog and toslink) 2. PC avg audio users: use a device which basically acts like a remote audio card, so any app can send sound to it. that way system sounds can stay on the laptop soundcard, while winamp or whatever can be configured to use the remote device, (like in my link above) 3. PC avg A/V user: lots of media adapters out there, that mainly focus on video, but will do audio. tivo, WD, etc... lots of options, tho like #2 you need to research exactly how they transmit the AV. some mimic soundcards (or really are soundcards) and do remote via RF or wifi or bluetooth, while others use a server app to feed the device. 4. finally, SBS, which is currently audio only. to do local music you must install and use SBS, and SBS powers the hardware. this option, is, imo, for people who are fairly technically adept, and willing to put up with MANY headaches and troubleshoot issues, in order to take advantage of some nice features, and HQ hardware. its the HQ hardware that keeps me with them. but unless i knew someone had skills, and patience, i would NOT recommend this stuff. it just isn't ready yet, again imo, for the avg user who is practically spoiled on todays easy apps and pods. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What The **** Do I Need?
rayman1701;635588 Wrote: I have to chime in here and say that isn't totally true. snip Maybe I'm a fluke, but I doubt it. all one has to do is look at the posts in these forums. now, i don't dispute your exp; but its not my exp, and i know a lot more than the avg user. one could argue the forums will have a lot of wtf posts b/c it inherently attracts people having problems, and thats true. so i don't claim to know what the percentage of avg users is (ie. the mainstream middle marketplace logitech sells to) that run into problems. but its certainly obvious to me, that the percentage is way higher than what it should be for a product like this, thats marketed this way, esp when you compare to things like airplay or tivo. having said that, (as i acknowledged earlier) the flipside is slim stuff (and the touch ain't slim now) has lots of feature type and hardware type pros that easier stuff doesn't have. so its just the pros and cons and what best fits a given users situation. however, i stand by all that and what i wrote earlier, and consider it all to be true. if this OP gets a touch, and doesn't have problems, i wouldn't be surprised, esp as he is doing research prior. but no one would be surprised, would they, if he did run into some kind of problems? is that not a sad thing to say about a product line? would one say that about airplay or tivo? that was all i was trying to say. i think i was fair in breaking down the 4 options as i saw it. anyway, i certainly wish the OP good luck and i'm sure many here, including i, will be happy to try to help should he encounter any difficulty. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitechs new sugary customer approach!
i have never had an issue emailing someone in a bug before, most people in a bug want it solved. why should that be taboo? there was no indication it was. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitechs new sugary customer approach!
MickeyG;633232 Wrote: I've removed his personal contact info from this thread. No use flogging him any further. No fair dialing up his phone number either! Mickey just for the record, i never called him. also, he wasn't flogged. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitechs new sugary customer approach!
MickeyG;633274 Wrote: I know you hadn't done either. I apologize if I implied that. But I do want to thank you for bringing this issue up. Mickey np, i just didn't want anyone to misinterpret it. thx. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
i want to plug again android squeeze config. its very good, and worth keeping on your phone. i'm not sure if it only works for blue light situations, or if it can set something up from scratch, BUT its very easy to use and got my parents duet to be stable, (so far). -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Logitechs new sugary customer approach!
i can only guess he used to work on the revue. logitech really needs to examine their approach. one wonders how long any of this stuff has once the slim guys thin all the way out. the below is quoted verbatim, unedited, out of today's email. start at the bottom, work your way up: Yes, would please tell folks to talk to the customer-support reps. I am a QA engineer and my job does not include working with the customers. thanks, Paul Chandler | PQA contractor - Audio Business Unit | Camas WA | 360 817 1383 On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Mike Walsh mrsina...@hotmail.com wrote: I assume you do work there? You do realize Im a customer? Perhaps I should share these sentiments with others, so everyone knows not to bother you. Problem? -mdw From: Paul Chandler [mailto:pchand...@logitech.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:20 PM To: Mike Walsh Subject: Re: response needed! Yes, it is a problem. Not interested in your emails or requests. Its not your problem if I'm on the emails or not. Paul Chandler | PQA contractor - Audio Business Unit | Camas WA | 360 817 1383 On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Mike Walsh mrsina...@hotmail.com wrote: No. But if you are excluded from updates to the bug, you wont know whats being asked. We all just want to get to the bottom of it, including Andy, who does work there. Is that a problem? I posted since your last one just now btw. mdw From: Paul Chandler [mailto:pchand...@logitech.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:30 AM To: Mike Walsh Cc: paul_chand...@logitech.com Subject: Re: response needed! Do you work at Logitech? Paul Chandler | PQA contractor - Audio Business Unit | Camas WA | 360 817 1383 On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Mike Walsh mrsina...@hotmail.com wrote: Please: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16991 thx, -mdw real nice, huh? he also seemingly has no exp on the bug tracker, which is odd, for a QnA engineer. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Strange problem of Transporter
this may not solve any of your issues, but i always advise anyone on an ip3k device to use [force] a static IP, instead of DHCP. try it and see if it helps. (i don't have a transporter, so i don't know if you can do a static IP easy via the device, or if you need the net-udap tool) -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87826 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Broken up albums
make sure all the files for one album are in one folder. make sure you only have one tag type per file. make sure the album, albumartist tags of differing tracks match exactly. try deleting any disc or discnumber tags. look for trailing spaces. use mp3tag. and of course, do a full clear and rescan after the above. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87837 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitechs new sugary customer approach!
mherger;633075 Wrote: Sure, he could probably have phrased himself a bit better when talking to a customer but honestly I've sometimes seen a lot worse than that on these forums when someone have had a bad day. not to mention that MrSinatra can be... let's call it... irritatingly direct in his writing ;-). -- Michael hey Michael, come on... i posted the whole exchange. i was nothing but calm and polite. do you really think his responses are acceptable? leave it to the europeans to not see a problem with this! (j/k) -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitechs new sugary customer approach!
erland;633073 Wrote: Honestly I'm not sure I understand the problem, he is working with Logitech internal QA and isn't working with customer support, if he doesn't want to communicate with the customers that's no big issue as long as other people within Logitech does communicate with us. As a QA engineer I'm sure his responsibility is to report bugs to make sure all bugs are found before the release and as far as I can see that's exactly what he is trying to do and let the developers investigate the cause of the problem. Sure, he could probably have phrased himself a bit better when talking to a customer but honestly I've sometimes seen a lot worse than that on these forums when someone have had a bad day. Logitech might have a QA process which isn't based on getting notifications from the bug tracking system as soon as something happens with a bug, that's not strange that's how many professional companies works to get a bit more structure to the QA work and make sure the right bugs are prioritized instead of having developers that tries to do ten things at the same time. erland, in america, this simply doesn't fly. i have no beef with the process, or with their protocol, nor do i care if he is following it or not. (although i have seen AndyG tell these new guys on bug tracker to CC themselves to bugs they comment on) anyway, i'm more than willing to accept what he is saying is true, but thats totally besides the point. the point is that 1. i wouldn't and shouldn't be expected to know or care how logitech runs itself, (not that i was told his POV until the last email anyway) and 2. that no employee should EVER communicate with customers in this rude way, ESPECIALLY customers who are just trying to help! i filed the bug, and he commented on it, and the only reason there are any follow ups at all from him are because i noticed his email was excluded, and i simply, but politely, emailed him asking to please respond to our questions, which AndyG also wanted answers to. that an employee who does QnA testing would respond to a customer who does the same for free, (and also as a customer helps keep him in a job); in the way in which he responded is APPALLING and he should indeed be corrected and logitech should be ashamed. now fair enough, this post may be irritatingly direct, but its both 1. after the fact, and 2. TRUE. (you're still the man tho erland! :) ) ps. Michael, i still can't resize frames in the webui in IE9. grr. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitechs new sugary customer approach!
pippin;633133 Wrote: Form your e-mail conversation he's not am employee but a contractor. BTW: You have to excuse Erland. He's from Sweden and there is a specific Scandinavion attitude to service, even by European standards; after all, it's them who invented IKEA ;) hahaha, funny! enjoyed that. :) erland;633135 Wrote: I guess I'm just saying that: 1. He shouldn't talk directly with customers and it was clearly wrong that he tried to answer you in the first place, he should just have referred you to the support staff. i disagree. even andyg expected more than that. he isn't some philosopher king. erland;633135 Wrote: 2. Everyone can have a bad day, it's very bad if an employee let a bad day affect the customer relations but so is also posting private mail conversations in public without explicitly been approved to do so by the other part. erland, REREAD what i posted, i asked if i should share those sentiments and he said yes! next you'll tell me i need a notary. gimmie a break already. erland;633135 Wrote: 3. One thing you are going to accomplish with this thread is that everyone is going to be very careful how they express themselves to you even in private. good. i certainly am careful in how i express myself, especially with customers. erland;633135 Wrote: 4. Another thing you are going to accomplish is that the people within Logitech who are already talking to us are going to be even more careful about what they say resulting in that we get even less information than we already do. In the worst case, it's discussions like this that in the future might result in that they decide to hide the bug tracker from the public. i love this kind of thinking. attack the victim, don't correct the offender. its very european. erland;633135 Wrote: 5. I'm sure this thread has already triggered an internal discussion within Logitech how to handle things like this in the future, so now let's just let it die without continue arguing who is right or wrong. i wasn't arguing. i was posting what paul said, as he asked me to do. what i was doing, was commenting on how shit poor the whole thing is, and how logitech is really going down the crapper. i'm hardly the first to say so. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitechs new sugary customer approach!
pippin;633133 Wrote: Form your e-mail conversation he's not am employee but a contractor. maybe, i don't know, but he has a logitech email and clearly they pay him so to me the distinction isn't germane. his official role and/or their internal protocols really have nothing to do with it, imo; afaic, thats besides the point. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitechs new sugary customer approach!
Paul has since emailed me and apologized, and of course i accept it. i don't know if he saw this thread or not, but really i don't think that matters. whatever the larger implications about whats going on behind the scenes at logitech, i now consider the issue between me and Paul closed, thankfully so. btw, i realize i often seem to be involved in contentious debates, but others give as good as i do, and i don't mind it, i like vigorous debate even if it rubs some readers the wrong way; but what was different here was there truly was no instigation for any contentious exchange, i was just trying to help figure out a bug. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BIG ANGRY BEEF, buggy upgrade install process, SBS/SBR
just an update on this... i think i got everything working permanently, but i'm still in wait and see mode. i'm not sure what i did, or what made the difference. i didn't review any of these threads to try any of the suggestions made b/c i didn't have to go that far. i fired up squeeze config on my droid (thx flattermann!) and added 8.8.8.8 as the second DNS and made sure dhcp was off on the SBR, and things seemed to work. regardless, the bottom line for me is that using dhcp on ip3k (which is the default) is not reliable. my advice to folks is to set ip3k stuff to static ips, outside the dhcp range if possible, (although i think this SBR is staticly set to an ip reserved for it in the dhcp range). when set to be static, uptime seems to be 100%, regardless of SBS upgrades or other issues. thx to everyone who offered constructive advice. and one more plug for droid squeeze config, its really good! http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15121 -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85793 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Squidget - A SqueezeBox Widget for Android
i have a droid x, and i have squeezecommander on it, (as well as some other slim apps). as such, what role would your app play for me? in other words, you say your app isn't a replacement for squeezecommander, so i am trying to figure out 1. if it has any utility for me, and 2. if only people who don't have squeezecommander need it? -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86993 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Finally, the best Controller App arrives at iOS!
Erland, you used to be able to configure a SBR from scratch with SP on the computer. not long after i informed slim of this, they seemingly removed that ability, forcing a user to need a SBC to do so. absolutely evil and stupid thing of them to do. so one thing that would be nice, would be to put that back in SP, and have it work on these devices and computer. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pioneer Airplay
the main thing that caught my eye was the app in the video. if thats the kind of app that comes with a receiver, slim's ot some worrying to do. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Pioneer Airplay
http://reviews.cnet.com/audio-system-components/pioneer-vsx-1021-k/4505-6462_7-34536275.html?autoplay=truetag=cnetRiver -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 sbc (my home) / sbrec ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.4b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
