Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
Here is another speculative view of why Apple acquired lala.com http://www.technobuffalo.com/blog/internet/was-lala-googles-foray-into-the-music-business -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
I will be candid: I hate iTunes. Adn that has a history. >From 1990 to 1999 I was a total Apple nut and a stronghold for Macs in an enterprise environment that increasingly went Windows. And don't get me wrong: I think Windows is bloated and flawed and I am not a gullgible fan that will ever claim technology superiority, but I think one thing that MSFT has done is that they have evolved beyond the illusion (and legal consequences thereof) that they can try to be controlling and dictate the entire product application stack. Which is the huge Apple illusion, and will prove to be their downfall if they grab significant market share again. Apple's bullish determination to own everything not only stinks of a doomed attempt at a monopoly, but also shortchanges users with solutions that are less flexible and agile than they ought to be. iTunes tries to be too many things to too many devices and too many people and too many devices and, as far as I am concerned, has already miserable failed. It is a piece of crap. I used it a while ago, I have long since stepped away from it. It does many things very easily for a large audience, but does nothing particularly well for a more discerning audience. Sounds more and more loike the MSFT story of the late 90s around the browser wars and what not. In any case, and to cut a long story short - heck no. I do not look for lazy shortcuts. I look for flexibility and openness, and Apple has no longer anything to offer there. They try to hold their user base more captive than Microsoft ever attempted to. And that will hurt them. Not right away, but in the mid term. Their differentiation is image. Their substance is wearing thin. -- pablolie ...pablo Server: Shuttle X27D - Ubuntu 8.04LTS - SBS 7.4.1 Sources: SB3 (3), SB Boom (3), Duet, Accuphase DP65v CD Amplifier: Accuphase E306v - Creek OBH21/22 Loudspeakers: Ceeroy 3-way tower (tuned) - Audioengine 5/S8 - Acoustic Energy Aego M Headphones: Grado SR-1 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
Jon Healey of the LA Times posted some interesting thoughts about Apple and lala. I'm sure they have something in mind, perhaps what Tamanaco says, or maybe they're just taking out a competitor. While I don't prefer or own Apple products, I respect their repeated accomplishments. No consumer products company does a better job of using innovative design and sophisticated technology to achieve simplicity. Apple does things it's own way, take it or leave it. Most people take it, and pay little attention to the things you guys are discussing. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
I just don't see the point in getting upset at steve. he's quite simply a brilliant businessman as well as a visionary for the technological future. as for your other point, I stand by the notion that people should take personal responsibility for their actions. so with that said, if someone is too lazy to make use of this thing called google to find a better and cheaper way of collecting and customizing their music collection then they are subject to paying the market value for ease of use. I guess an obvious analogy would be starbucks. If you want to give away $2 or more every day to get your coffee fix instead of buying a pound of coffee for $6 that will last a couple of weeks and provide 50 cups o' joe then by all means pony up to the starbucks bar. To me, it's all about free will. -- exile exile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
exile;493140 Wrote: > I understand the frustration that people have in regards to steve but > let's be fair. there is a simple workaround for virtually every > restriction placed on the itunes experience. The process of making your > own ringtone free of charge is ridiculously easy, as was the process of > freeing one's music from the drm nightmare way back when. > > i don't buy from the itunes store but i think it's important to > remember that steve jobs has almost single handedly led the charge on > the digital music revolution and for that I'm eternally grateful. What exactly did Steve J do "single handedly" to led the charge on the digital music revolution? I will tell you, basically nothing! Other people did all the hard work, then he thought and found a way to make money off their hard work without paying them for it while finding a way to rip the artist off once again while making the record companies and the RIAA think he was their Messiah. My point about ring tones is that the sheep that iTunes collects and Steve J and Company are looking for need a product as simple as iTunes in the first place so they are always going to pay twice while those Techy enough not to will not be forced to. Apple should be up front and honest about it and they might even make more money that way. "Hey, you already own this tune, for 25 cents use this Apple App to make it one of your endless available ring tones. And by the way, if you don't own the tune you want, check out the iTunes Store and just buy the song and not the whole album. And if you bought the song from the iTunes Store, convert it free to a ring tone." That is what I am saying. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
iPhone;493120 Wrote: > There is only one reason I can't turn any song I paid for on CD into a > ring tone for my iPhone, MONEY IE Apple Greed! One is forced to buy the > song from the iTunes Store and then pay again to turn it into a ring > tone. I understand the frustration that people have in regards to steve but let's be fair. there is a simple workaround for virtually every restriction placed on the itunes experience. The process of making your own ringtone free of charge is ridiculously easy, as was the process of freeing one's music from the drm nightmare way back when. i don't buy from the itunes store but i think it's important to remember that steve jobs has almost single handedly led the charge on the digital music revolution and for that I'm eternally grateful. -- exile exile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
tamanaco wrote: > Pat, iPhone, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not an iAnything fan, but > I admire S. Jobs business moves. This is really a separate topic. Steve Jobs is a brilliant businessman. Nearly as good as the world's smartest business man, Steve Case, who sold a puffed up marketing ponzi scheme to Time Warner for lots of real, hard cash. But my comment was just that I don't want to be assimilated. I expect that the next move will be video. Jobs already owns a huge part of Disney. A decade ago, the common wisdom was that audio was too big to stream over the Internet. Now, its not even a blip, and streaming video is commonplace. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
Pat, iPhone, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not an iAnything fan, but I admire S. Jobs business moves. He has a captive audience with the iPhone and iPods that are centered around iTunes. What I see him doing is aggregating services for his already captive audience to keep them happy and to also go after other potential customers for devices like the Sonos and SQBX. If you're already an iPhone user... he wants to keep you... and if you're not.. he was to offer other avenues to get you... That's all I'm "specualting" about here. Will I buy an iStreamBox?... probably no... If Apple successfully integrates what I mentioned above will they be a force to be reckon with... probably yes. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
iPhone;493120 Wrote: > There is only one reason I can't turn any song I paid for on CD into a > ring tone for my iPhone, MONEY IE Apple Greed! One is forced to buy the > song from the iTunes Store and then pay again to turn it into a ring > tone. It is perfectly possible to create a ring tone from music on a CD. http://www.ehow.com/how_2160460_custom-iphone-ringtones-free.html -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
pfarrell;493116 Wrote: > tamanaco wrote: > > What do you think?... Am I dreaming here? > > More like a nightmare for me. > > I don't want my music packaged and controlled by the borg. > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ +1 have to agree. iTunes messes to much with ones music in the first place, why would I want them screwing with my Web based music also? All the acquisition does is add Web Based music for a fee for those that don't want to buy from the iTunes Store, don't have an iPhone, iTouch, or iPod, or just can't get enough music from iTunes and are willing to pay. Bill Gates might be the devil, but Steve Jobs definitely wants control over ones music as well as dumbing it down so the mindless can even use it and not know they are being controlled. There is only one reason I can't turn any song I paid for on CD into a ring tone for my iPhone, MONEY IE Apple Greed! One is forced to buy the song from the iTunes Store and then pay again to turn it into a ring tone. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
autopilot;493113 Wrote: > iTunes already does streaming. Are you talking about a subscription > service like Napster/Rhapsody? It already does streaming, but as far as I know, it does not do high bitrates... Adding a high bitrate local server, remote streamed services and adding a new product like an iStreamBox. An iStreamBox with good quality audio components to play music via your AV system is what I'm talking about. Basically a "future" specialized box for music streaming similar to the AppleTV... Again, I'm just speculating here... I assure you that Apple did not buy lala.com to become just another Napster... It has to be (again I'm specualting) about the enhancement of iTunes integration of these services with iTunes and opening new markets. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
That's more or less what lala does, isn't it? -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
tamanaco wrote: > What do you think?... Am I dreaming here? More like a nightmare for me. I don't want my music packaged and controlled by the borg. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
iTunes already does streaming. Are you talking about a subscription service like Napster/Rhapsody? -- autopilot Cheers, auto. *lounge:* squeezebox 3, squeezebox controller, cambridge audio 640a, mission 701's *kitchen:* squeezebox touch, trends ta-10.1, kef cresta 1's. *bedroom:* squeezebox boom *bathroom/garden:* squeezebox radio *car:* ipod classic 80gb *portable:* iphone 3gs 32gb (+ipeng) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
I can't help, but think that Steve Jobs' next move after the acquisition of lala.com is to go after services like Pandora, Last.FM, Slacker and Spotify. It "probably" also means that the streaming services are going to be integrated into iTunes. I think this can become another great move by the master because if it works... iTunes will gain a streaming and a music media "social" environment. I can already picture an iStreamBox that would give the SQBX a run for the money. iTunes with an incorporated stream music server component, would instantly gain the existing iTunes user base...to me it appears as natural evolution of iTunes for the iFolks. The Apple Apps Store could also be easily integrated in the mix in order to distribute Apps similar to plugins for the iStreamBox and/or specialized iPod Docking stations. This apps, like plugins, would enhance the music listening experience for free or for a fee and expand the Apple Apps Universe. Next move down the line for Stevo... iTtunes video streaming What do you think?... Am I dreaming here? -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
