Re: [slim] Networking help

[garym]

MeSue wrote: 
> Well this is so incredibly stupid but I'm posting it here for my future
> self because I'm likely to forget this by the next time it happens. 
> 
> My weird recurring kitchen radio problem seems to be caused by the fact
> that the power plug does not fit tight in the outlet.  After several
> weeks of door slamming on the same wall with the outlet, the wall plug
> gets to where it's barely plugged in and because it is under a cabinet
> it's not easy to see that it's loose. I'm surprised anything worked at
> all given how it was.
> 
> I might need to retire my geek beanie.

I feel your pain. The little things are always the worst.



*Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio
(all ethernet)
*Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom,
Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite
*Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or
SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop
*Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes;
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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

Well this is so incredibly stupid but I'm posting it here for my future
self because I'm likely to forget this by the next time it happens. 

My weird recurring kitchen radio problem seems to be caused by the fact
that the power plug does not fit tight in the outlet.  After several
weeks of door slamming on the same wall with the outlet, the wall plug
gets to where it's barely plugged in and because it is under a cabinet
it's not easy to see that it's loose. I'm surprised anything worked at
all given how it was.

I might need to retire my geek beanie.



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(http://www.last.fm/music/The+Features/Exhibit+A/Blow+It+Out)."-

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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

Purely by chance, this seems to be resolved. My theory is that it was
all caused by a bad ethernet port on the one and only radio I had
connected by Ethernet. I moved some Radios around to different areas of
the house, and all has been working great since then. No changes to the
server software at all. 

Longer explanation: During hurricane Matthew I had unplugged some
radios. When we got power back and I plugged  them back in, the radio in
my kitchen which was connected by ethernet got into a weird state where
it was showing both on squeezebox.com and the local server, but I could
not get it to play anything. I could navigate menus and control it from
iPeng, but no sound would come out. Finally I just disconnected it and
set it aside. I put a different Radio in its place and after a couple
weeks I realized I wasn't having problems like I had been before. Later,
I decided to try the faulty Radio in another location on wifi, and it
has been working fine like that. 

So so perhaps the Ethernet port was starting to fail prior to the
hurricane and all the power surges from that were the final nail in the
coffin. We had it unplugged from power, but left it connected to
Ethernet via power line adapter during the hurricane. The power line
adapter was not affected. It's still in use.



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

d6jg wrote: 
> I gather you are running LMS on an HP Proliant Microserver but you don't
> say anywhere what platform. The sort of issues you are reporting suggest
> problems with LMS itself as they get resolved (temporarily) by a reboot.
> 
> Have you considered moving LMS (not the music files themselves) to a
> Raspberry Pi 3 running PiCorePlayer ? In the US you can pick one up for
> $30-40. 
> It is very simple and you don't even need to uninstall or switch off LMS
> on the HP while you get it all going. You just need to be able to point
> the Pi at the HP's files via SMB/CIFS or (if you want to be esoteric)
> NFS.
> 
> I read your blog posts. LMS on a Pi is easily within your ability even
> if you have zero Linux skills as it is all configured via a browser. You
> would need to connect the Pi by ethernet to your network - wifi works
> but  
> 
> Lots have moved from LMS on a NAS to a LMS on a Pi + NAS and found that
> all their Spotify connection problems have gone with the added benefit
> that they can now easily upgrade LMS without waiting for the NAS
> manufacturers to release a new compatible package.

Yeah, sorry... it's Windows Home Server 2010. It seems like every couple
of years it all goes kerflukey and needs a clean install. Since removing
MusicIP it was good all week until today when I had to restart the
service.

I'll keep the RaspberryPi in mind, but since the server performs a lot
of other functions in our household, I'd just as soon keep it on there.



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(http://www.last.fm/music/The+Features/Exhibit+A/Blow+It+Out)."-

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Re: [slim] Networking help

[d6jg]

Mnyb wrote: 
> Years MIP can create issues when trying tomcuenup tracks , it has some
> settings it can hog resources .
> 
> Btw the microservers are quite open , you can run whatever OS you like ,
> it's basically an intell atom PC in NAS like cabinet , but does not have
> the NAS problems of weird bespoke OS with some part of Linux removed and
> weird setup in general .

I know about HP Microservers thanks. We run a couple. Hence the question
as to what it was running. More than likely it's the OS combined with
LMS that's the issue.



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*Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 ->
Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7
*Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755
-> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
*Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
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Re: [slim] Networking help

[Mnyb]

Years MIP can create issues when trying tomcuenup tracks , it has some
settings it can hog resources .

Btw the microservers are quite open , you can run whatever OS you like ,
it's basically an intell atom PC in NAS like cabinet , but does not have
the NAS problems of weird bespoke OS with some part of Linux removed and
weird setup in general .




Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x
MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3
sub.
Bedroom/Office: Boom
Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad
(spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller )
server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux

http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

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Re: [slim] Networking help

[d6jg]

MeSue wrote: 
> The server log is full of errors relating to MusicIP. I disabled it and
> will see what happens.

I gather you are running LMS on an HP Proliant Microserver but you don't
say anywhere what platform. The sort of issues you are reporting suggest
problems with LMS itself as they get resolved (temporarily) by a
reboot.

Have you considered moving LMS (not the music files themselves) to a
Raspberry Pi 3 running PiCorePlayer ? In the US you can pick one up for
$30-40. 
It is very simple and you don't even need to uninstall or switch off LMS
on the HP while you get it all going. You just need to be able to point
the Pi at the HP's files via SMB/CIFS or (if you want to be esoteric)
NFS.

I read your blog posts. LMS on a Pi is easily within your ability even
if you have zero Linux skills as it is all configured via a browser. You
would need to connect the Pi by ethernet to your network - wifi works
but  

Lots have moved from LMS on a NAS to a LMS on a Pi + NAS and found that
all their Spotify connection problems have gone with the added benefit
that they can now easily upgrade LMS without waiting for the NAS
manufacturers to release a new compatible package.



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*Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 ->
Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7
*Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755
-> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
*Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
*Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones
*Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 ->
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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

The server log is full of errors relating to MusicIP. I disabled it and
will see what happens.



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(http://www.last.fm/music/The+Features/Exhibit+A/Blow+It+Out)."-

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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

mherger wrote: 
> > Well the new router massively improved our range, so it was not a
> total
> > waste, but the squeezebox situation is no better. At least once a day
> > one of the players will get into dummy state where it won't play
> > anything and won't respond to any button presses until I restart LMS.
> It
> 
> Did you ever check your server.log file? What kind of SB? Always the
> same?
> 
No. I forgot all about that. I will next time. The players are 1 Touch,
6 Radios, and 1 Boom which is rarely used.  I unplugged one Radio that
it seemed to be happening to a lot and it hasn't happened as often. Now
it's happening every 2-3 days instead of 1-2 times a day. Annnd... I
think it just happened as I was typing this.



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(http://www.last.fm/music/The+Features/Exhibit+A/Blow+It+Out)."-

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Re: [slim] Networking help

[Michael Herger]

Well the new router massively improved our range, so it was not a total
waste, but the squeezebox situation is no better. At least once a day
one of the players will get into dummy state where it won't play
anything and won't respond to any button presses until I restart LMS. It


Did you ever check your server.log file? What kind of SB? Always the same?

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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

Well the new router massively improved our range, so it was not a total
waste, but the squeezebox situation is no better. At least once a day
one of the players will get into dummy state where it won't play
anything and won't respond to any button presses until I restart LMS. It
does not seem to be wifi related because it happens with the Ethernet
connected one, too. I am out of ideas... Really don't want to reinstall
LMS.



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(http://www.last.fm/music/The+Features/Exhibit+A/Blow+It+Out)."-

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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

Too soon to be meaningful, but yesterday I switched don't stop the music
to use LastMix instead of Music IP and haven't had problems since. 

I've always had problems with any kind of automatic mixes that involve
MIP, although it works fine if I manually trigger a mix. Thought taking
it out of the equation was worth trying. 

Getting much better mixes, too.



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[RonM]

Just for context, I have a Surface 4 Pro that is used via wifi all the
time (not my main computer, but used for things like this forum just
now, as well as some substantial downloads and video), and have never
had any problems with the networking. Network reach doesn't seem any
worse than with my previous devices, although I have invested in an Asus
N660U dual band router, that is more robust with further reach than the
(many) other routers I've used.

R.



LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3)
Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm
speakers
Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers
Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space
Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.)
Radio (WiFi) - home office
Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used),
Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 2)
Touch x 1 - spare
UE Radio x 1 - spare
Boom x 1 - spare
Controller x 1 - Spare
Duet Receiver (backup)

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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

d6jg wrote: 
> I have a customer who has "issues" with his wifi and Surface Pro
> machines. Basically if he connects his Surface Pro to the normal work
> network it floods the network in such a way as to make it unusable for
> anyone else.
> We solved the issue with a workaround that has a second SSID purely for
> his use with the Surface Pro.
> We are using high end routers that will support multiple SSIDs. I am not
> familiar with the Netgear you mention but most routers at that level do
> multiple SSIDs these days.
> Might be worth a try.
> 
> PS Fizbin is telling the truth. He doesn't know anything about
> networking.

Interesting. I will look into that.



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[garym]

d6jg wrote: 
> I have a customer who has "issues" with his wifi and Surface Pro
> machines. Basically if he connects his Surface Pro to the normal work
> network it floods the network in such a way as to make it unusable for
> anyone else.
> We solved the issue with a workaround that has a second SSID purely for
> his use with the Surface Pro.
> We are using high end routers that will support multiple SSIDs. I am not
> familiar with the Netgear you mention but most routers at that level do
> multiple SSIDs these days.
> Might be worth a try.
> 
> PS Fizbin is telling the truth. He doesn't know anything about
> networking.

or it likely has a regular network and a guest network. the surface pro
could use the guest network for example.



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(all ethernet)
*Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom,
Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite
*Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or
SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop
*Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes;
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Re: [slim] Networking help

[Fizbin]

So am I. There was supposed to be a smiley there. Somehow it got left on
the cutting room floor. 

;) <--- There it is! I found it!



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[d6jg]

Fizbin wrote: 
> That's it. You're going to see that log now.

I am teasing :)



*Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets
*Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 ->
Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7
*Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755
-> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
*Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
*Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones
*Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 ->
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[Fizbin]

> PS Fizbin is telling the truth. He doesn't know anything about
> networking.

That's it. You're going to see that log now.



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[d6jg]

I have a customer who has "issues" with his wifi and Surface Pro
machines. Basically if he connects his Surface Pro to the normal work
network it floods the network in such a way as to make it unusable for
anyone else.
We solved the issue with a workaround that has a second SSID purely for
his use with the Surface Pro.
We are using high end routers that will support multiple SSIDs. I am not
familiar with the Netgear you mention but most routers at that level do
multiple SSIDs these days.
Might be worth a try.

PS Fizbin is telling the truth. He doesn't know anything about
networking.



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

Fizbin wrote: 
> I don't know anything about networking but I do have one question for
> you. You say "every couple of days *a squeezebox player* will go
> silent". Is it the same player (if so which one) or a random one?

Different ones, randomly.



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[Fizbin]

I don't know anything about networking but I do have one question for
you. You say "every couple of days *a squeezebox player* will go
silent". Is it the same player (if so which one) or a random one?



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

I thought I would post a follow-up here. I had a couple of good months
of book sales, so I decided to just throw money at the problem since I
don't really have the time or brain power to try and figure out this
stuff anymore. :p I got the Netgear Tri-Band router AC3200 and have had
it up for almost a week. It has the range to cover our property very
well, and reaches out into the outbuilding where my husband works
without any range extender. I have got all my players back to static IPs
and everything is much more stable. 

I do still have a problem where every couple of days a Squeezebox player
will go silent, often right in the middle of a song. I'm not sure why
this is happening. Sometimes I can get it going again by pressing
skip/off/on and such until it starts playing again. But usually it is
faster just to restart LMS on the server and lose my playlist.



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[toby10]

MeSue wrote: 
> ..
> 
> I'm really not sure why powerline doesn't work because they are on the
> same meter box..

Same meter doesn't necessarily mean the same circuit.  Where I live one
meter serves a typical 2 circuit house, some houses have 3 circuits or
more on a single meter.  Sounds like the circuit where your router is
located and your outbuilding are definitely two different circuits (and
makes sense).



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

Hi again,

Sorry I haven't had time to write up a better explanation with diagrams
and all. :(

Unfortunately  Ethernet out to the other building isn't workable. Our
house is all  wood pine tongue and groove cabin-like construction and
running ethernet  through the walls is out of the question. Walls,
ceiling floors, are  all wood and he won't drill through it. The up-side
is wireless signal  transmits pretty good through walls. It's just the
outbuilding that is  on the fringes.

I'm really not sure why powerline doesn't work because they are on the
same meter box.

Is there something else I can try that will work between the two
identical routers that isn't using WDS?

Does  the Airport Express extend Wifi from a 3rd party router or it is 
supposed to replace the primary router handing the WAN connection? I 
noticed it only has 2 ethernet ports.

This Alfa router we are  using now is such garbage! Keeps dropping the
internet connection. I am  desperate to get it out of the equation.



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Re: [slim] Networking help

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garym  writes:

> tcutting wrote: 
>> It would still help if you could provide some form of diagram of your
>> setup.
>> 
>> Also, is the wifi router located in the house as near as possible to the
>> office/outbuilding? (to get the best chance of getting a strong enough
>> signal out there)
>> 
>> Any way to run an ethernet cable to the office?
>> 
>> I've had reasonable success running two wireless routers.  Primary one
>> has all the main settings enabled (e.g., configured to provide the
>> dynamic addressing, with a range of dynamic addresses, and left a
>> separate range of addresses which I use form Static addressing).  The
>> second router is at the other end of the house - the two are connected
>> together via wired ethernet.  The second router does NOT perform the
>> dynamic address allocation, it is only a wifi hotspot.  I did, however,
>> configure both wifi routers to use the same SSID and password. 
>> Generally a device will connect to one or the other - but "roaming"
>> isn't handled particularly well - if I move to the other end of the
>> house, a device will tend to stay connected to the one it originally
>> connected to, even though the second device now has a much stronger
>> signal).  If you're OK having two separate wireless networks, you could
>> configure the two hotspots with separate SSIDs and passwords, and then
>> just connect a particular device to one or the other.  BUT make sure
>> they are not BOTH trying to provide the dynamic IP configuration.
>
> This is exactly what I do. the 2nd wifi router has all settings to hand
> out IP addresses turned off.  And it is connected via ethernet back to
> my main router (note that the "2nd wifi router" is connected to ethernet
> by pluging the cable into one of the "regular" ethernet slots on the
> "2nd router"--do not plug anything into the 2nd router's plug where one
> would typically route the plug coming from the modem itself; this is
> sometimes labeled "internet" on the router, indicating a connection to
> modem that provides the internet connection).  I also use same SSID and
> password for both routers.
>

Unfortunately I have to use different SSID, and the extender (Netgear
WN2500RP) is connected via wireless to a Netgear WNDR 3400 which in turn
connects to my router via ethernet (provided by isp) which is doing all
the work (dhcp).

Works perfectly.

Rainer
>
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Re: [slim] Networking help

[garym]

tcutting wrote: 
> It would still help if you could provide some form of diagram of your
> setup.
> 
> Also, is the wifi router located in the house as near as possible to the
> office/outbuilding? (to get the best chance of getting a strong enough
> signal out there)
> 
> Any way to run an ethernet cable to the office?
> 
> I've had reasonable success running two wireless routers.  Primary one
> has all the main settings enabled (e.g., configured to provide the
> dynamic addressing, with a range of dynamic addresses, and left a
> separate range of addresses which I use form Static addressing).  The
> second router is at the other end of the house - the two are connected
> together via wired ethernet.  The second router does NOT perform the
> dynamic address allocation, it is only a wifi hotspot.  I did, however,
> configure both wifi routers to use the same SSID and password. 
> Generally a device will connect to one or the other - but "roaming"
> isn't handled particularly well - if I move to the other end of the
> house, a device will tend to stay connected to the one it originally
> connected to, even though the second device now has a much stronger
> signal).  If you're OK having two separate wireless networks, you could
> configure the two hotspots with separate SSIDs and passwords, and then
> just connect a particular device to one or the other.  BUT make sure
> they are not BOTH trying to provide the dynamic IP configuration.

This is exactly what I do. the 2nd wifi router has all settings to hand
out IP addresses turned off.  And it is connected via ethernet back to
my main router (note that the "2nd wifi router" is connected to ethernet
by pluging the cable into one of the "regular" ethernet slots on the
"2nd router"--do not plug anything into the 2nd router's plug where one
would typically route the plug coming from the modem itself; this is
sometimes labeled "internet" on the router, indicating a connection to
modem that provides the internet connection).  I also use same SSID and
password for both routers.



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[tcutting]

It would still help if you could provide some form of diagram of your
setup.

Also, is the wifi router located in the house as near as possible to the
office/outbuilding? (to get the best chance of getting a strong enough
signal out there)

Any way to run an ethernet cable to the office?

I've had reasonable success running two wireless routers.  Primary one
has all the main settings enabled (e.g., configured to provide the
dynamic addressing, with a range of dynamic addresses, and left a
separate range of addresses which I use form Static addressing).  The
second router is at the other end of the house - the two are connected
together via wired ethernet.  The second router does NOT perform the
dynamic address allocation, it is only a wifi hotspot.  I did, however,
configure both wifi routers to use the same SSID and password. 
Generally a device will connect to one or the other - but "roaming"
isn't handled particularly well - if I move to the other end of the
house, a device will tend to stay connected to the one it originally
connected to, even though the second device now has a much stronger
signal).  If you're OK having two separate wireless networks, you could
configure the two hotspots with separate SSIDs and passwords, and then
just connect a particular device to one or the other.  BUT make sure
they are not BOTH trying to provide the dynamic IP configuration.



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[DJanGo]

again...
MeSue wrote: 
> I each got new Microsoft Surface Pro tablet computers. Nice machines...
> We like them. But this has wrecked havoc on our network. 

thats "normal" cause their internal antenna(s) cant be really good.

MeSue wrote: 
> The problem started because my husband's "office" is in a separate
> outbuilding about 30 steps from the main house.
When the two buildings dont got the same electric meter - forget about
connecting these builings with Powerline. You may connect the two
routers over powerline in one building - but they didnt really work over
electric meters.


MeSue wrote: 
> If I set static IPs for the devices thru the router, they can't get
> internet. Any large uploads send the network into a tizzy, even causing
> rebuffering in the squeezeboxes playing local music

That pretty much told me - no gateway or dns is set when you do the
static thing and a massive false configuration - thats why i asked for
facts.

- ip
- subnet
- gateway
- dns



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

Thanks for the responses. I will run these ideas by him and look into
the Airport Express. I use power line adapters successfully within the
house, but we have tried them in the outbuilding before and he says they
don't work out there. Anytime I suggest power line for out there, he
refuses to even consider it.



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[epoch1970]

I would avoid the WDS thing and trying to extend wifi coverage though
wifi itself. Ethernet or powerline are a much better solution.

My advice would be to replace the APs with 2 Airport Express APs. If you
have a mac, win PC or an iThing in the house you can manage them. 
The current model is not very recent, it's not AC but dual radio G/N and
sufficient for uncompressed audio or HD video streaming. You can have
them at discount price, refurb price is ~50 USD which makes it a good
value, plus they offer Airplay.

I have setup a 4-AE + powerline system in a large home, and it "just
works". One SSID, one password, and most clients I have tested seem
happy to roam from one AP to an other when they are moved around the
house (with an iPad a running video stream, stream will pause for about
1 sec and restart when changing AP.)
In this setup one of the 4 AEs is set to router mode. It works fine in
this role too, but firewalling settings are minimal and it doesn't
manage a local DNS service, only mDNS.

I have fiddled with OpenWRT and Tomato in the past, all my attempts at
setting up multiple APs (to be fair: using similar but not identical
devices) have failed. Fiddly, and when it "worked" it never provided a
convincing advantage over a single AP setup. The Airport Express is
simplistic, but in multiple AP mode, it's simply night and day.

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Re: [slim] Networking help

[Spin]

Hi Sue,

Why don't you go back to the original (working) setup and then use a
pair of powerline network adaptors between the house and the outbuilding
?

Cheers,

Steve



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Re: [slim] Networking help

[DJanGo]

hi,

without some schema of your setup its a nightmare to read and unpossible
to help.

eg static ip ? which, what gateway, which subnet 3 routers - more info



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[slim] Networking help

[MeSue]

Hello old friends!

I haven't popped in in ages. Busy, busy. Also because I was perfectly
happy in my squeezebox bubble... up until around last September. That
was when my husband and I each got new Microsoft Surface Pro tablet
computers. Nice machines... We like them. But this has wrecked havoc on
our network. 

The problem started because my husband's "office" is in a separate
outbuilding about 30 steps from the main house. With his old laptop he
always got enough of a signal out there to do his work, but with the
SP3, he could not maintain a stable connection. 

Everything always worked great with our old Buffalo router with an
upgraded antenna and tomato firmware. But we took the plunge and got a
new 5g AC router thinking it would give us better range. It didn't. :(
Long story short, we took the old Buffalo router and set up both routers
using WDS with the new Alfa router as the primary, and the Buffalo as
the client. Unfortunately it only works with 2 different SSIDs and no
security on the extension node (Buffalo). 

Since then it has been trouble trouble trouble. I hate the firmware on
the Alfa (based on OpenWRT, I think). If I set static IPs for the
devices thru the router, they can't get internet. Any large uploads send
the network into a tizzy, even causing rebuffering in the squeezeboxes
playing local music. I am constantly having to reboot the router, the
modem, players, and LMS.  Every time I turn on a Squeezebox there's a
50% chance it won't play anything until I go through the whole rebooting
rigmarole.  Sometimes one of the players will be happily playing along
for 20 or 30 minutes and then just stop. Then I find out it has randomly
latched on to the unsecured extension SSID, or disappeared off the
network altogether. 

I tried swapping the primary and extension routers and that didn't work
out either.  Then I found a used buffalo router just like our old one
with tomato already installed on it. I thought, "perfect! WDS should
work with 
both routers identical!" I snatched it up, but no joy. The only way I
can get WDS Working between them is with no security at all. So that's
no good. 

Im losing my mind here! I hate silence! But I've reached my limit on
what to do. I'm not a networking wiz. Piled on top of that is my husband
is a cheapskate who doesn't give two hoots about the squeezeboxes. As
far as he's concerned I should just use a Bluetooth speaker with my
phone or iPad. 

What can I do? The squeezeboxes were rock solid before we got this crap
router.



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Re: [slim] Networking

[Necromancyr]

amcluesent;542486 Wrote: 
 You need to rethink on having two routers and likely buy a cheap wi-fi
 access point.
 

Most wireless routers will double as a wi-fi access point. If you
already have one, just use that.  No need for another purchase.


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You need to rethink on having two routers and likely buy a cheap wi-fi
access point.


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[JJZolx]

Spooler111;542485 Wrote: 
 Its a physical location issue.
 
 The cable line comes into the house in the utility room which is not
 conducive to setting up a wireless router. This is also where the
 network distribution cables converge.  As a result, I need to take the
 output from the cable modem in two directions - one goes to my kitchen
 where the first SB is. The other goes to the wireless router in another
 room which in turn is connected to my computer and a second SB.

Ok. Like this?

1:
cable modem (utility room) - D-Link (kitchen) - Linksys (another
room)

Or like this?

2:
cable modem (utility room) - Linksys (another room) - D-Link
(kitchen)

Ideally what you want is everything on one subnet.  So you don't want
two routers.  If #1 above is correct, then it sounds like you don't
need a router in this room.  If you need to connect multiple wired PCs
and devices then you only need a network switch in this room.  (If
there's only a single device, you could just run an ethernet cable from
the D-Link located in the kitchen.)  If #2 is correct then you want to
use the D-Link only as a wireless access point and not a router.  To do
that:

- Use the Linksys as your DHCP server.  Disable the DHCP server in the
D-Link.

- Connect the D-Link to the Linksys by connecting between one its LAN
ports (not the WLAN or 'Internet' port) to one of the LAN ports on the
Linksys.

The D-Link should end up with a 192.168.0.x address and everything
attached to it should also.  You may want to give the Linksys a static
IP address in its configuration so that you can always find it easily. 
If the D-Link is 192.168.0.1, try using 192.168.0.2 for the Linksys,
which will most likely be outside of the DHCP address pool being
assigned dynamically.


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[slim] Networking

[Spooler111]

I have been a SB3 user for several years with few issues until today
when I had to reset my router.  Now I have problem. I have searched
forums and found similar issues but either I don't fully understand the
proper fix or the issue isn't exactly the same.  Anyway here is the
issue:

I have a cable modem connected to a wireless Dlink router (basically
set up as an access point). This Dlink is connected to an SB3 as well
as another router (Linksys). The Linksys is connected to my computer
and a second SB3.  The second SB3 works fine, but the one connected to
the Dlink is not working. When I try to set up the non functional SB3 I
can get an ip address, but it will not connect to the network.  FYI the
ip address of the Dlink is 192.168.0.1. The Linksys is 192.168.1.1
(this router has DHCP turned off).


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Re: [slim] Networking

[Pat Farrell]

Spooler111 wrote:
   FYI the
 ip address of the Dlink is 192.168.0.1. The Linksys is 192.168.1.1
 (this router has DHCP turned off).

What is providing the route from your 192.168.1/24 to your 192.168.0/24
networks? and vice versa?

Most home users have only a single subnet in the house.

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Re: [slim] Networking

[Spooler111]

Thanks, but I'm not sure what you mean.  Are you saying the subnet #
should be the same for both routers


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Re: [slim] Networking

[JJZolx]

What are you trying to accomplish with the two routers?  Sounds like an
attempt at isolating the wifi network for security purposes.

In your configuration (assuming default router setups), devices on the
.1 network should be able to contact those on the .0 network with no
problem.  But those on the .0 network will be blocked from contacting
anything on the .1 network.  Devices on the .0 network would be
considered outside by the Linksys router, and treated as though they
were on the Internet and potentially hostile.

If the Linksys permits it, you could perhaps open up a hole in the
router's firewall permitting all traffic to/from the IP address of the
SB3 on .0 network.  That will allow the SB3 to 'see' the internal
network, but I doubt that Squeezebox/Server discovery will work across
the subnets.  Most likely, you'd have to configure the server address
manually on the SB3.

If you're not trying some kind of funky security thing with the two
routers, then you could just eliminate the Linksys and place everything
on the D-Link.  If you really must used two devices for logistical
reasons, then the thing you might do is place the D-Link behind the
Linksys and truly configure the D-Link as a wireless access point,
where it and its wifi devices are on the same subnet as devices
connected to the Linksys.


Code:


  cable_modem
  |-- Linksys
  |-- D-Link
  |~~ SB3
  |-- SB3
  |-- Computer
  



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Re: [slim] Networking

[Spooler111]

Its a physical location issue.

The cable line comes into the house in the utility room which is not
conducive to setting up a wireless router. This is also where the
network distribution cables converge.  As a result, I need to take the
output from the cable modem in two directions - one goes to my kitchen
where the first SB is. The other goes to the wireless router in another
room which in turn is connected to my computer and a second SB.


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[MeSue]

Hi folks. I thought I would report back our results after trying the
Netgear powerline equipment we already had. It works, but it wasn't
without some struggles.

The kit I had came with 1 ethernet bridge (wired to router) and 1
wireless range extender. At some point I had bought another Ethernet
bridge.

Originally we planned to use the wireless range extender out in the
shed so he could use his laptop out there, but upon plugging it in we
discovered it was completely dead (power light didn't come on).

So plan b was to use the other Ethernet bridge on the shed side. That
worked in our initial test just plugging the house one into the most
convenient place for a test. But that was with an Ethernet cable
running across the room, so we had to rearrange the way some things
were plugged in for permanent placement.

Then, when we had it plugged in where we thought would be best, he kept
getting rebuffering on the Squeezebox. ARG. Next hubby went to every
receptacle on that circuit, testing and replacing them. No good...
still rebuffering. So then we rearranged some more plugs in the room so
we could try it on yet another outlet. And that one works!

But we had to unhook the network printer for the test since all the
ports on my router are filled. So for that, we dug out an old Netgear
hub that we still had hanging around and put the printer and powerline
bridge on that. Everything still works with the hub... whew!

So now he is happily listening to my old Squeezebox 2 in his shop with
his old gigantic speakers that I made him remove from the living room
entertainment center and the old receiver that he bought in 1987 and
would not let me get rid of. :-) And we did not have to buy anything.


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[ModelCitizen]

MeSue;340024 Wrote: 
 And we did not have to buy anything.
That's very good indeed.

We must buy/consume less.

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[slim] Networking challenge

[MeSue]

Now that I have a Boom, I would like to give my SB2 to hubby. There is
an all-metal building on our property that he uses as a workshop where
he would like to use it. However, I fear getting Ethernet out there is
going to be a challenge. It's not finished in this picture, but you can
get the idea of what I'm talking about:
http://picasaweb.google.com/sue.chastain/RussSWorkshopBuilding#5079669562153442098

The building is about 20-30 paces from the back of the house, and
probably twice that distance from where our router is situated. I'm
wondering if powerline adapters would work for bringing Ethernet out
there? Or is there a better solution?


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[andynormancx]

Powerline should be fine.


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[MeSue]

andynormancx;336654 Wrote: 
 Powerline should be fine.

Even if it's on a different electrical circuit?


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[MuckleEck]

MeSue;336668 Wrote: 
 Even if it's on a different electrical circuit?

MeSue I am using powerlines that are on a different circuit but the
same initial circuit board they are connected through MCBs not fuses
and I get a reasonable speed. Enough to use the Slingbox for video and
the Squeezebox for music.

My only word of caution is don't buy cheap ones. I found that the
Netgear 101s were the best after buying some cheap ones off of Amazon
and sending them back.

Are the electrics out the the uber shed yet?...if not ask the
electrician to put a flexible conduit in and run some ethernet in that.


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[andynormancx]

I would personally recommend not going with the Netgears. Though I
normally like Netgear's kit their 200M powerline adapters are a bad
choice.

The first issue with them is that they don't interoperate with other
200M adapters. So you get tied into other Netgear adapters if you want
to add to the network.

The second issue is that in my experience at least they don't cope well
with noisy mains. I bought a set and they were completely hopeless or my
admittedly very noisy mains. I had to replace them with Devolo's which
work much much better than the Netgears on my mains. Which reminds me,
must ebay the Netgears sometime...


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[maggior]

Even though the electrical is already run, perhaps now would be a good
time to dig the trench up again and toss some conduit and CAT6 in
there?  Assuming it wasn't done long ago, you should see exactly where
it was dug up and grass wouldn't have really estblished itself yet. 
This way, if he were to set up a PC in there for some reason, it would
be easy to do with a hub/switch.

It's a bummer you guys didn't think of it before.


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[MeSue]

It's not so much that we didn't think of it... but... it's complicated.
For one thing, the router is is on the opposite side of the house from
where the electric conduit had to be run. Also, the house has wood for
the interior walls, ceiling, and floor plus wood siding on the outside,
and hubby HATES to put holes in the wood for anything. 

Oh, how I have longed for a house that was wired for Ethernet, but I'm
stuck here for the foreseeable future, especially now that hubby has
the uber shed. Don't get me wrong... I love all the wood in our
country home, but it makes any kind of wiring a pain in the rear. Thank
goodness for wireless!


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[JJZolx]

The SB2 has the advantage of being able to replace the stock antenna. 
So I wonder if it would be possible to attach a directional antenna
outside of the building run inside to the SB2 over coax.  I've never
done anything like this, so maybe someone else could comment on whether
or not it's feasible.

Could this be done purely on the receiving end, pointing the antenna in
the general direction of the house, or would it need directional
antennas at both ends?

Can an antenna signal be run over coax for a distance of 20-30 feet or
so?


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[MeSue]

Hmm... that is something to think about if the powerline I already have
doesn't work. I found this on Newegg that might fit the bill:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833164156

Our wireless router already has a high gain antenna, so hopefully it
would only be needed on one end. I would certainly like to hear more
thoughts on this.


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[bobkoure]

well, if powerline doesn't do it for you, maybe get a linksys WRT54GL,
install tomato on it, and put it into remote access point mode. Run
cat5 from linksys to squeezebox. Put the antennas in a shed window and
you should be good to go. (note - this is with the linksys in the
shed)

Alternately, you could put the linksys into repeater mode and put it
close to that side of the house. The tomato firmware lets you control
which antenna does what so you can put a directional on one and point
that at the shed. (so this is with the linksys in the house.)


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[MeSue]

Bob: The window part of your suggestion is a problem. ;-)

I do have Tomato on my Buffalo router, though it is great.


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[Chris Laplante]

I've got one in a pelican case, with a 9dbi yagi inside the case, and
a 7dbi outdoor omni up on my chimney. It was about a weekend project
to put it together.

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 I do have Tomato on my Buffalo router, though it is great.


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[iPhone]

MeSue;336789 Wrote: 
 Hmm... that is something to think about if the powerline I already have
 doesn't work. I found this on Newegg that might fit the bill:
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833164156
 
 Our wireless router already has a high gain antenna, so hopefully it
 would only be needed on one end. I would certainly like to hear more
 thoughts on this.

I would go with a Parabolic antenna such as:
http://www.wifi-link.com/product.php?action=productclass1_id=1class2_id=3class3_id=158product_id=1215
It is a whole lot cheaper and has 1 more dB of gain. It is also easier
to line up a parabolic for beginners over flat panels due to the built
in structure pointer. You would only need the Parabolic on one end. The
Parabolic can also be installed in either the horizontal or vertical
plane to best match your router.

Depending on what type of high gain antenna your wireless router has IE
its radiation pattern and take-off angle due to gain, you might actually
be better off going back to a standard antenna. In most vertical
antennas, as the gain figure increases so does the take off angle. I
like using the parabolic antennas with the new routers that have three
antennas.


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[maggior]

MeSue;336789 Wrote: 
 Hmm... that is something to think about if the powerline I already have
 doesn't work. I found this on Newegg that might fit the bill:
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833164156
 
 Our wireless router already has a high gain antenna, so hopefully it
 would only be needed on one end. I would certainly like to hear more
 thoughts on this.

I had an indoor Hawking antenna for one of my PCs before I figured out
how to run a network cable from my top floor to the basement.  It
worked quite well and was well made.  Hawking makes good stuff.


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Re: [slim] Networking challenge

[MeSue]

iPhone;336810 Wrote: 
 I would go with a Parabolic antenna such as:
 http://www.wifi-link.com/product.php?action=productclass1_id=1class2_id=3class3_id=158product_id=1215
 It is a whole lot cheaper and has 1 more dB of gain.

Thanks! I know he will like the price of that one compared to the
Hawking. He's out of town this weekend, but I'm saving all the info for
him and hopefully we can experiment when he gets back.


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[slim] Networking question: wireless gateway without connection to the internet

[justNigel]

Hi All,

Forgive me if this is a stupid question... my networking knowledge is
limited, to say the least. 

I have a Duet and a Qnap 109II singing (figuratively and literally)
happily along, connected to a Thomson Speedtouch 585 wireless gateway.
(PS: huge thanks to flipflip for all the work on SSOTS. With QPKG,
install was easy enough for me.)

I'm moving to Scotland soon (from Canada) (for love, to answer your
next question). I know we'll have a wireless network where I'll be
living, but my concern is that the Duet won't work as well as it does
now. So my crazy idea is to bring the gateway with me and have it
running just for the Duet/NAS, but without connecting the whole rig to
the internet. 

Obviously, I won't get internet radio and updates will involve moving
files from my laptop. I'm also not sure how (if) I could connect my
laptop to two networks simultaneously (internet on one; SqueezeCenter
on the other), but losing the convenience of always-on PC SqueezeCenter
isn't a deal breaker.

So, can this work? Do any of the puzzle pieces require a live
connection to the internet? If the Duet doesn't work nicely with the
existing wireless, would it be simpler to just try and make the
Speedtouch the main gateway? 

Thanks in advance for reading this far and any help you can offer. (And
job offers for an experienced carpenter in Edinburgh would be welcome as
well.)

Nigel


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Re: [slim] Networking question: wireless gateway without connection to the internet

[radish]

Other than internet based services, nothing requires an internet
connection, so I wouldn't expect a problem there. However, I don't see
any reason you couldn't just wire the Thomson unit to your network once
you get to Scotland and use it as a second AP (or disable whatever's
there) if it works better with the Duet.

Oh and don't forget the voltage difference!


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Re: [slim] Networking Assistance - SB3 and SC7

[Symbiotic]

Okay - I gave that a shot, and it didn't seem to work. Adjusting the
router to use 192.168.2.1 as its IP address (and the default gateway)
seemed OK, except that I was no longer able to connect remotely to the
server Mac over VNC.

I'm going to do a bit more research about the bridging option. Failing
that, I'm going to get creative about the location of the server and/or
the router...


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Re: [slim] Networking Assistance - SB3 and SC7

[Zaragon]

Changing the router address as you did just meant that you had to have
bridging working. I don't believe that the router you mentioned is able
to provide a local routing function as I described.

If you were able to swap the Server Mac and your own Mac over so that
the server had the wireless connection and your Mac was connected to it
over ethernet sharing the wireless. With your wireless configured as it
was previously then it should allow the SB3 to see the music and you to
control it via a web interface from your own Mac. However, there are
limitations in that config which probably won't affect you at the
moment but may if you add further devices.

It would be better long term if you can have both Macs wired to the
router. Connecting the SB3 by wireless would be OK.


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[slim] Networking Assistance - SB3 and SC7

[Symbiotic]

I'm reconfiguring my network at home to allow for a new server, which
I'm using for my media and SC7.

The problem is, this server is using a 'shared' network connection from
my other Mac, and it seems like the SB3 can't 'see' the server.

SB3 IP is 192.168.10.4 (connected directly to WiFi router)
Primary Mac IP is 192.168.10.3 via WiFi (shares this connection with
server over ethernet)
Server Mac (running SC7) IP is 192.168.2.4 (shared connection from
Primary over ethernet)

I can't seem to get this to work, but I think it must be do-able. I
don't have WiFi in the server, nor do I want to run an ethernet cable
across the house to the router.

Any help is appreciated!


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Re: [slim] Networking Assistance - SB3 and SC7

[radish]

You'll want the server to be on the same subnet as the other machines,
i.e. a 192.168.10.x IP.


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Re: [slim] Networking Assistance - SB3 and SC7

[Symbiotic]

Hmmm...I suppose that isn't possible using OS X's built in network
connection sharing is it? OS X appears to automatically assign the
192.168.2.4 address, rather than a 192.168.10.x address (which is what
the router would assign...)


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Re: [slim] Networking Assistance - SB3 and SC7

[jeffmeh]

I would think that you could either change the Mac to use 10, or change
the router to use 2.  Most routers should allow this.


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Re: [slim] Networking Assistance - SB3 and SC7

[Zaragon]

If I have this right you have a router which connects to a Mac over
wifi. From the back of this Mac you have an ethernet connection which
you have connected to the server Mac.

The SB3 is connected by ethernet to the router.

The subnet mask value is important here. I am going to assume that it
is 255.255.255.0 as this is most likely the default with the addresses
you have given.

To make this work will require a couple of things. But first a
question. Can the server Mac communicate with the ethernet?

If it can then I am going to presume that the non server Mac has had
routing configured on it (in Windows terms it might be called Internet
connection sharing).

In this case it would be necessary to tell the router that network
192.168.10.0 is available via 192.168.1.3 Unfortunately not many home
type routers have this capability. Even then it may not work as I
believe that the SB3 uses a broadcast to find the server and this won't
pass between networks.

An alternative would be to reconfigure the non server Mac from being a
router to being a bridge. Subnet mask again comes into this but
assuming you keep it at 255.255.255.0 then give the ethernet port on
the non server Mac and the ethernet port on the server Mac an IP
address in the 192.168.1.x range. Not one that is already in use and
not one that is within the DHCP range of the router. 

With bridging configured this should work.

This isn't an easy configuration and relies on the non server Mac being
on all the time. It might be simpler to reverse the roles of the two
Macs if you can. 

Instead of moving the Macs can you move the router and it's internet
connection?

Unfortunately I can't help you with OS X commands as I've never used it
and it is years since I did it on Unix.


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Re: [slim] Networking Assistance - SB3 and SC7

[Symbiotic]

The Mac wont allow me to set it into a 'bridge' mode, but I can change
the router configuration. I have a Motorola WR850G, and I believe it
will allow me to specify the IP address of the router, the subnet mask,
and the default gateway. These are set, currently, to:

192.168.10.1, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.10.1 respectively.

Am I correct in assuming that since the Primary Mac wants to share its
internet connection by using 192.168.2.x for the IP - if I set the
router to use 192.168.2.x as well, then all should work properly...?

So, for example - change the router to read 192.168.2.1, 255.255.255.0,
192.168.2.1. change Primary Mac IP to 192.168.2.2, and hopefully the IP
address assigned to the shared connection is 192.168.2.4...?


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Re: [slim] Networking question

[egd]

Michael Herger;211989 Wrote: 
 Well, you are mistaken :-). If you have a gigabit switch, connecting a 
 
 single 100Mb device won't influence the other machines. No need to
 separate them.

So having the 10/100 router assign IP's via DHCP also won't influence
the other machines?  Great to know, that enables me to access the net
and slimserver through a wireless device.  Thanks.


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Re: [slim] Networking question

[egd]

Now that I've had some time I've thought this through and have corrected
the issue without resorting to a single subnet - the key reason I
implemented two to begin with (which I should have mentioned at the
outset) is that the 192.168.168.x subnet provides gigabit connectivity
between all PCs and NAS devices.  Changing to a single subnet would
force the 10/100 broadband router into the equation, which, if I'm not
mistaken will adversely impact network performance when copying between
two devices on the subnet etc - from memory gigabit NICS will negotiate
down to the lowest common denominator on the network, effectively
turning everything into a 10/100 network.

The wireless EOP is a Netcomm NP290W.  I now have it configured to
allow wireless access to slimserver (looking forward to the N800, in
the meantime my PDA will suffice).  If I'm wrong about the single
subnet performance issue I'll happily implement it.

Further thoughts/comments appreciated...


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Re: [slim] Networking question

[Michael Herger]

 implemented two to begin with (which I should have mentioned at the
 outset) is that the 192.168.168.x subnet provides gigabit connectivity
 between all PCs and NAS devices.  Changing to a single subnet would
 force the 10/100 broadband router into the equation, which, if I'm not
 mistaken will adversely impact network performance when copying between

Well, you are mistaken :-). If you have a gigabit switch, connecting a  
single 100Mb device won't influence the other machines. No need to  
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[slim] networking

[terry_gardener]

please can someone help with this. 

i currently have my main router downstairs as it needs to be connected
to the master socket for the broadband connection. i have connected to
an old vonage linksys router (temp solution), so at the moment config
is router - ethernet - 2nd router - ethernet to devices.  

besically what i would like to do is setup the network in this way. 

Router (connected to internet) - straight thru ethernet - switch/hub -
straight thru ethernet to p.c's and xbox360 and sb2 and qnap ts101. 

is this possible or do i need cross over cable. 

Router is the sky router (netgear) and the switch i was thinking of
getting is netgear gs605. 

i was wanting to do it this way is because i want to use dchp server on
the main router so i can reserve ip addresses also switch i was thinking
of getting is gigabit switch.


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Re: [slim] networking

[Joe Craig]

 besically what i would like to do is setup the network in this way.

 Router (connected to internet) - straight thru ethernet - switch/hub -
 straight thru ethernet to p.c's and xbox360 and sb2 and qnap ts101.

 is this possible or do i need cross over cable.

Yes, that's the way to do it.  You don't need cross over cables.

You could also make a straight run from the basement to upstairs and
put your router there.


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Re: [slim] Networking question

[JJZolx]

All I can say is that you're gaining nothing in terms of security with
that configuration.  For increased security and peace of mind you'd be
better off putting a good firewall between the network and the router. 
Then create firewall rules saying (for instance) that the NAS at
192.168.1.5 and the NAS at 192.168.1.6 are blocked from making outgoing
connections.  Incoming is already blocked, but go ahead and make a
couple of explicit rules just to feel better.

This would be identical to your current situation - you cut off any
possibility of either outgoing or incoming connections to/from those
machines.  But IMO that's a little bit over the top, since those
machines probably never even make any outgoing connections.


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Re: [slim] Networking question

[Peter]

egd wrote:
 JJZolx;192940 Wrote: 
   
 By not exposed, can we assume you mean that the .168.x network has no
 means of contacting the outside world?
 
 Yes, albeit I presume if a connected Internet facing device is
 compromised it can in turn be used to attempt compromise of devices on
 the .168.x network.

 JJZolx Wrote: 
   
 So your SB3s can't use Squeezenetwork, for instance?  Why is that
 desirable?
 
 At present I've no use for Squeezenetwork.  At this time none of the
 radio stations I'd like to listen to work correctly with Squeezenetwork
 or connecting directly from the SB3.

 JJZolx Wrote: 
   
 What you need to worry about is the outside world contacting your
 internal machines, which is usually protected against by your
 router/firewall by default.
 
 Agreed, but I still feel better knowing my music and family video and
 picture libraries aren't Internet facing.

 JJZolx Wrote: 
   
 This setup seems overly complicated.  I don't see the need for two
 subnets and two NICs in the PCs.
 
 Both PCs came with two on-board NICs.  I trust the question of two
 subnets is explained above?



 JJZolx Wrote: 
   
 Why two wireless access points?  The SB3s do 802.11g, so they shouldn't
 negatively affect throughput of the wireless network, and the 54GB+/-
 will likely be much faster than your Internet connection, so all of the
 devices maxed out simultaneously shouldn't be starved for bandwidth.
 
 Agreed, however, so long as I want to keep the two subnets apart I'm
 guessing there is no other way?
   

Your main security risk, as I see it, is that one of your PC's (laptop) 
becomes infected by a Trojan. If that happens, both subnets are exposed 
anyway. Your router/firewall is highly unlikely to be compromised itself 
unless you've misconfigured it. PC's exp. when running Internet Explorer 
or even any other browser or mail client are the modern hacker's 
favorite attack target.

That and your own lack of network understanding. It's probably 
impossible for a non expert to build a really secure network with 
different subnets, waps and firewalls. And really, no attacker is going 
to be interested in your family's videos or pictures (you have backupped 
them on DVD?) unless you're some kind of royal. In that case you should 
have staff to handle this kind of thing ;)

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Re: [slim] Networking question

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JJZolx;192940 Wrote: 
 Simplify.  Use just one subnet.
 
 I'd set up the Squeezeboxes and laptops to use DHCP from the router. 
 The NASs and the PC running SlimServer would probably be best served
 with static addresses.  The router shouldn't allow any uninitiated
 inbound traffic to reach any of your internal machines.  If a machine
 initiates a connection to the outside, then any return traffic will be
 allowed through, which is what you have going on right now on the 1.x
 network.

Ok, assuming I go down this path have I interpreted you correctly?:


- Hard code NAS and PC running slimserver IPs to 192.168.1.x subnet,
  say .2, .3  .4
-  Set 2nd PC, wireless EOP, laptop and any other devices I choose to
  connect to the network to use dynamic IP supplied by the router's DHCP


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Re: [slim] Networking question

[Mark Lanctot]

Also your sig says Linux and loving it which means:

- you're not using IE/OE

- your OS is fairly secure by default (you likely run on a restricted
account)

- you're not the target of the millions of Chinese script kiddies

So you already have a fairly significant security advantage over Joe
Six-Pack.  This isn't to say you're invulnerable but you're in a better
position.


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Re: [slim] Networking question

[Mark Lanctot]

In addition, if you had an old PC in a closet, install 'SmoothWall'
(http://www.smoothwall.org/) on it and turn it into a
corporate-strength firewall at no cost.


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Re: [slim] Networking question

[JJZolx]

egd;192965 Wrote: 
 Ok, assuming I go down this path have I interpreted you correctly?:
 

  - Hard code NAS and PC running slimserver IPs to 192.168.1.x
   subnet, say .2, .3  .4
  -  Set 2nd PC, wireless EOP, laptop and any other devices I choose
   to connect to the network to use dynamic IP supplied by the
   router's DHCP  

Yes.  That's what I'd do.  I used to have pretty much everything on my
home network using reserved/static IP addresses, but found that there
wasn't much need to that for the Squeezeboxes and PCs that don't act as
servers.

Make sure the DHCP server on the router is handing out addresses on the
192.168.1.x network and that it doesn't hand out any addresses that
you've hard coded.

You might also give a static IP address to the WAP, although it may not
be necessary.  What is the make  model of the wireless EOP?


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[slim] Networking question

[egd]

_HISTORICAL_STATE:_  a  
- I have two PCs, two NAS devices and two SB3s networked via an
  unmanaged gigabit switch, all with hardcoded IPs using the
  192.168.168.x range.
- The SB3s are located outside of the study and take their audio feed
  from one of the NAS devices located in my study.
-  Slimserver is running on one of the PCs
- The wired link between my study and SB3s is provided by three
  Ethernet over Power connectors.
-  Each of my PCs is connected to the Internet via a broadband router
  linked to a 2nd NIC with IP assigned by the router's DHCP and takes
  the form of 192.168.1.x
-  The 192.168.168.x range is not exposed to the Internet and I want
  to keep it that way

Everything works nicely.

_DESIRED_FUTURE_STATE:_  
- Same as above, except I want to add a WAP in the lounge so that we
  can surf etc from our laptop
- If technically feasible I also want to add a 2nd WAP in the lounge
  to interact with the SB3 via a Nokia N800 or something similar

*_Current_state:_*
To solve point 1 above I did the following (after consulting with the
vendor):

- purchased a Wireless Ethernet over Power connector and installed in
  lounge
- connected broadband router to gigabit switch
- configured wireless Ethernet over Power connector to accept IP from
  broadband router's DHCP.  Broadband router assigns 192.168.1.2 to the
  wireless Ethernet over Power connector

Outcome is that Internet is now accessible from the Lounge, however,
devices in the the 192.168.168.x network become inaccessible to one
another as soon as the wireless connectivity is established ie it
pretty much looks like I can have the one or the other operational, but
not both.

I have connected the broadband router to the switch with and without an
Ethernet over Power connector in between - both options give me an
active WAP.

Any ideas as to how to get the two to coexist (the vendor specifically
said I could run both networks on the same power line infrastructure)?

Finally, apologies if my networking terminology is incorrect/laughable
- I've learned through trail and error.


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Re: [slim] Networking question

[JJZolx]

egd;192916 Wrote: 
 _HISTORICAL_STATE:_
 a   
  - I have two PCs, two NAS devices and two SB3s networked via an
   unmanaged gigabit switch, all with hardcoded IPs using the
   192.168.168.x range.
  - The SB3s are located outside of the study and take their audio
   feed from one of the NAS devices located in my study.
  -  Slimserver is running on one of the PCs
  - The wired link between my study and SB3s is provided by three
   Ethernet over Power connectors.
  -  Each of my PCs is connected to the Internet via a broadband
   router linked to a 2nd NIC with IP assigned by the router's DHCP
   and takes the form of 192.168.1.x
  -  The 192.168.168.x range is not exposed to the Internet and I
   want to keep it that way  
 
 Everything works nicely.

By not exposed, can we assume you mean that the .168.x network has no
means of contacting the outside world?  So your SB3s can't use
Squeezenetwork, for instance?  Why is that desirable?  What you need to
worry about is the outside world contacting your internal machines,
which is easily done protected against is usually handled by your
router/firewall by default.

This setup seems overly complicated.  I don't see the need for two
subnets and two NICs in the PCs.

 _DESIRED_FUTURE_STATE:_
 
  - Same as above, except I want to add a WAP in the lounge so that
   we can surf etc from our laptop
  - If technically feasible I also want to add a 2nd WAP in the
   lounge to interact with the SB3 via a Nokia N800 or something
   similar  

Why two wireless access points?  The SB3s do 802.11g, so they shouldn't
negatively affect throughput of the wireless network, and the 54GB+/-
will likely be much faster than your Internet connection, so all of the
devices maxed out simultaneously shouldn't be starved for bandwidth.

 _CURRENT_STATE:_
 To solve point 1 above I did the following (after consulting with the
 vendor):

  - purchased a Wireless Ethernet over Power connector and installed
   in lounge
  - connected broadband router to gigabit switch
  - configured wireless Ethernet over Power connector to accept IP
   from broadband router's DHCP.  Broadband router assigns 192.168.1.2
   to the wireless Ethernet over Power connector  
 
 Outcome is that Internet is now accessible from the Lounge, however:

  - devices in the the 192.168.168.x network become inaccessible to
   one another as soon as the wireless connectivity is established ie
   it pretty much looks like I can have the one or the other
   operational, but not both.
  - I have connected the broadband router to the switch with and
   without an Ethernet over Power connector in between - both options
   give me an active WAP and seemingly kill connectivity for
   192.168.168.x  
 
 Any ideas as to how to get the two to coexist (the vendor
 specifically said I could run both networks on the same power line
 infrastructure)?

Simplify.  Use just one subnet.

I'd set up the Squeezeboxes and laptops to use DHCP from the router. 
The NASs and the PC running SlimServer would probably be best served
with static addresses.  The router shouldn't allow any uninitiated
inbound traffic to reach any of your internal machines.  If a machine
initiates a connection to the outside, then any return traffic will be
allowed through, which is what you have going on right now on the 1.x
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Re: [slim] Networking question

[egd]

JJZolx;192940 Wrote: 
 By not exposed, can we assume you mean that the .168.x network has no
 means of contacting the outside world?
Yes, albeit I presume if a connected Internet facing device is
compromised it can in turn be used to attempt compromise of devices on
the .168.x network.

JJZolx Wrote: 
 So your SB3s can't use Squeezenetwork, for instance?  Why is that
 desirable?
At present I've no use for Squeezenetwork.  At this time none of the
radio stations I'd like to listen to work correctly with Squeezenetwork
or connecting directly from the SB3.

JJZolx Wrote: 
 What you need to worry about is the outside world contacting your
 internal machines, which is usually protected against by your
 router/firewall by default.
Agreed, but I still feel better knowing my music and family video and
picture libraries aren't Internet facing.

JJZolx Wrote: 
 This setup seems overly complicated.  I don't see the need for two
 subnets and two NICs in the PCs.
Both PCs came with two on-board NICs.  I trust the question of two
subnets is explained above?



JJZolx Wrote: 
 Why two wireless access points?  The SB3s do 802.11g, so they shouldn't
 negatively affect throughput of the wireless network, and the 54GB+/-
 will likely be much faster than your Internet connection, so all of the
 devices maxed out simultaneously shouldn't be starved for bandwidth.
Agreed, however, so long as I want to keep the two subnets apart I'm
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[slim] networking novice considering switch to wired from wireless due to dropouts

[markmarz]

Hi,

New user of Squeezebox, running latest released (6.3.1) Slimserver on a
new HP laptop (dv5220us, 120gb hd, 1gb ram, lightly loaded) serving
mostly .flac files over wireless. The .flac files reside on a WD 250gb
network drive. 

Occasional dropouts have turned me towards a wired solution. Got a
Transporter on order and will not be keeping it if I can't find a
dropout solution. But I'm confused on basic network setup. I know just
enough about networks to hook up a wireless router using large diagrams
and lots of little words.

Suppose I run a wire between the router and my laptop, and another wire
between the laptop and the Squeezebox. There is already a wire between
the router and the WD network drive. So then everything between the
network drive and the Squeezebox will be wired. I assume I'll then have
to tell the Squeezebox to hook up to my wired ethernet network rather
than wireless.

Once that's done, how does the Squeezebox pull from the internet for
(say) internet radio? Or Squeeze Network? Will it be necessary to
'switch' the Squeezebox between wired  wireless to hear .flac vs
internet?

Thanks!
Mark M.


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[slim] Networking issue with Linksys WET54g bridge

[Michael Amster]

I have two SB's - an SBg and an SB2.  I decided that I wanted my 
wireless to be single mode-G rather than mixed mode to work on 
stability.  To do so, I hauled out an old WET54g bridge to work with my 
WAP54g access point.  I have another WET54g in another part of the house 
feeding a small LAN in my home office and it works fine.


My settings and network is the following:

1. WAP54g running HyperWAP/1.0 with WEP128 and G-mode only.  MAC 
filtering on. Running on Channel 6.
2. WET54g in home office running Linksys 2.06 and connected to local 
switch with 2-3 machines

3. WET54g in kitchen with SB1 connected on ethernet
4. SB2 in living room on wireless G
5. Linux server running SlimServer 6.2 on FC4

So, the problem is that the SB1 seems to knock the WET54g off the 
network.  I setup the SB1 to connect on ethernet.  I can get the DHCP 
address, but when it tries to contact my SlimServer, it drops the 
wireless signal.  This is reproducible each time I hold the power button 
and cause a reset.  Are there any thoughts about this?  I could go back 
to a mixed mode network and run the SB1 as wireless, but the signal 
strength is only about 30% and I was hoping G-only would help with that 
a bit (and some of the AP's flakiness about needing to be reset once a 
week or so).


-MA
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[slim] Networking Issues

[tomryan17]

I have a SB2 on my wireless network (D-Link DI-524)and it was working
fine (after I disabled my WEP).  Now all of a sudden it cannot find the
slim server which is running on my P4/XP machine.  I tried restarting
both the PC and the SB2 several times.  I even tried disabling the
firewall to see if it was the issue, although it worked before without
the firewall disabled.  This product is consuming much more of my time
than it is worth.  Any ideas on setting to review for the most reliable
performance


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