Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[bat400]

bat400;361099 Wrote: 
> OK, I tried 'fstream' (free on App Store).  It lets you enter your own
> stream, but on my setup it starts coming through then drops after
> thirty seconds.  During this time the sound was perfect however.
> 
> I used to have these same symptoms with Windows Media Player, but I
> can't remember what fixed it...
> 
> FlyCast apparently plays in the background but lacks the opportunity to
> add your own stations.
> 
> Anyone tried CastCatcher?  Apparently you can add your own streams but
> Apple blocked the 1.3 version in the App Store.  When I get home I'll
> check if 1.2 is still available...
> 
> Al

OK, tried CastCatcher 1.3 which is advertised as compatible with
SlimServer/SqueezeCenter.  Started perfectly, allowed me to enter my
own stream, but then crashed after a couple of tracks (small section of
sound repeating over and over).  Posted a support request on their
forum, and to their credit they are already working on a fix.

Apparently part of the problem is that the data is sent through at a
much faster rate than the bitrate of the song (which allows for quick
buffering), but there is also much more than the usual amount of
metadata being pushed through and this overloads the software (I
think).

Have a look at this thread on their support site:
http://forums.return7.com/index.php?topic=33

Out of the ones I had tried it was the most promising, so hopefully
they'll get the crashing sorted out.

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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

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pippin;361081 Wrote: 
> It does definitely not do that for remote tracks. On the iPeng skin, you
> can see that it's around 3 min that get buffered (you see that in the
> progress bar) and then you'll see that this progresses from time to
> time while the track is playing.

Thats a good thing then.  I'm glad. Thanks for checking that out.


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[bat400]

OK, I tried 'fstream' (free on App Store).  It lets you enter your own
stream, but on my setup it starts coming through then drops after
thirty seconds.  During this time the sound was perfect however.

I used to have these same symptoms with Windows Media Player, but I
can't remember what fixed it...

FlyCast apparently plays in the background but lacks the opportunity to
add your own stations.

Anyone tried CastCatcher?  Apparently you can add your own streams but
Apple blocked the 1.3 version in the App Store.  When I get home I'll
check if 1.2 is still available...

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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[pippin]

Nonreality;361011 Wrote: 
> This may not be what you are talking about, but the touch and iphone
> cache the entire track so a 20 min song eats up much more memory than a
> 3 min song.  I found this an odd way of dealing with tracks.  This may
> only be from the device's library itself so may not work this way with
> streaming.  But if it does then that could hurt performance.

It does definitely not do that for remote tracks. On the iPeng skin,
you can see that it's around 3 min that get buffered (you see that in
the progress bar) and then you'll see that this progresses from time to
time while the track is playing.


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

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pippin;321062 Wrote: 
> Not necessarily. I know iPhone does a lot of optimization to conserve
> power, so maybe it somehow detects an empty stream and shuts it of...
> The behavior is completely reproducible: When I pause the stream (on
> SC) and then also pause it on the iTuner app, it loses the connection
> (and indicates so). When I then try to restart (on iTuner) it says
> "cannot recognize stream format". But if I then re-start the stream on
> SC it can connect again.
> 
> It also seams to buffer ahead quite a bit (30s for my 192 kbps mp3s and
> more than 2min for 64kbps streams) so I can only imagine the distorted
> playback has to do with decoding issues.
> 
> Lower bitrates make no difference, it seems to have more to do with the
> track, some songs seem to be more sensitive than others (reproducible).
> 
> The strange thing is it seems to have no such issues with shoutcast
> streams. Is there anything you do different?

This may not be what you are talking about, but the touch and iphone
cache the entire track so a 20 min song eats up much more memory than a
3 min song.  I found this an odd way of dealing with tracks.  This may
only be from the device's library itself so may not work this way with
streaming.  But if it does then that could hurt performance.


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[Paul Webster]

bat400;359867 Wrote: 
> It works with other MP3 streams, but I get crackles or popping sounds
> when listening to a stream from the SqueezeCenter.
I've noticed something like that when playing on an external MP3
streaming player.
I wonder if it is related to the metadata being sent with the stream?
Perhaps something about the format of it is causing some players to
misinterpret it.

Is there any easy way to turn it (metadata) off as an experiment?


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

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rfrost;320768 Wrote: 
> 
> 
> Finally, the core question here—that Tuner, the sole legit app for
> streaming on the iTouch/iPhone hiccups badly when acting as a client
> from SlimServer. 

I take it that you mean Tuner is the only legit app for streaming *over
the internet*.

I am not even sure if that is correct, but there are certainly other
apps for streaming locally, which is enabling me to use my iTouch as a
portable player around my apartment.

But I would be interested to know (maybe I should start another thread
or ask elsewhere) why my iTouch disconnects its wifi connection from
time to time. Twice now, after about twenty minutes playing. I was
using the iPeng ski, which lets me make a local download of a long
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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[bat400]

andyg;321066 Wrote: 
> I don't really know what to tell you.  Since the app is apparently
> pulled from the App Store it's a moot point now.  Maybe someone will
> release a better one or they'll put out a fixed version.

It's back on the App Store as Nullriver "Tuner Internet Radio".

It works with other MP3 streams, but I get crackles or popping sounds
when listening to a stream from the SqueezeCenter.  It would be great
if this worked as I love iPeng and want the whole thing to work in just
my iPod Touch.

There is a jailbreak application (just called ituner I think), but I
don't want to jailbreak my ipod.

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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[andyg]

I don't really know what to tell you.  Since the app is apparently
pulled from the App Store it's a moot point now.  Maybe someone will
release a better one or they'll put out a fixed version.


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[pippin]

andyg;321049 Wrote: 
> SC will stream silence when you connect a player, so it should handle it
> fine (unless it's as buggy as you say...).
Not necessarily. I know iPhone does a lot of optimization to conserve
power, so maybe it somehow detects an empty stream and shuts it of...
The behavior is completely reproducible: When I pause the stream (on
SC) and then also pause it on the iTuner app, it loses the connection
(and indicates so). When I then try to restart (on iTuner) it says
"cannot recognize stream format". But if I then re-start the stream on
SC it can connect again.

It also seams to buffer ahead quite a bit (30s for my 192 kbps mp3s and
more than 2min for 64kbps streams) so I can only imagine the distorted
playback has to do with decoding issues.

Lower bitrates make no difference, it seems to have more to do with the
track, some songs seem to be more sensitive than others (reproducible).

The strange thing is it seems to have no such issues with shoutcast
streams. Is there anything you do different?


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[andyg]

SC will stream silence when you connect a player, so it should handle it
fine (unless it's as buggy as you say...).  I'm not sure if changing the
bitrate takes effect right away on an existing stream.


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[pippin]

andyg;321005 Wrote: 
> I don't follow, why do you have to do anything other than enter the
> direct stream.mp3 address?  I'm not about to pay $5 for an mp3 streamer
> so I can't really test this.

What you have to do is actually start to stream something (play a
track) before the iTuner picks up the stream.

That said, the iTuner application gives a very bad oveall impression. I
get "Out of Memory" messages from time to time, it manages to hang while
entering a url (and doing nothing else in the meantime) and it even
comes with a type in the default "http://"; tag ("http:/b/", I first
thought that is some kind of code but it's just an error).

So maybe that's the reason why it's no longer available on the store.

BTW: When I reduce the max bitrate in the settings (SC) it does not
prompt me to restart the stream or the server or something. Will the
bitrate change on the fly?


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[gharris999]

I'm having a hard time getting Nullriver's Tuner app.

I keep getting the error message "Your request could not be completed. 
The item you've reuested is not currently available in the US store"
from iTunes.  I seem to recall that it showed up briefly, a week ago,
in the app store, but has been missing since then.

Anyone have a work-around?


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

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I would say for this being of any use we first have to get SC to stream
without faking IP addresses on a third device and things


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[andyg]

Are you streaming at the default 320kbps?  You might want to try
lowering that to see if it helps.  (Settings -> Player -> Audio ->
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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[rfrost]

Thanks for the heads-up about not publishing my open music server, and
thanks for re-protecting it. My error.  ;-{

First things first. I did discover that once I manage to get a stream
to the iTouch, I can then set the server (via the player-specific
settings) to pause when my client device (the iTouch) disconnects, and
to restart when it reconnects.

Second, I'm still a little weirded out by that server statement; it
does go away when I implement authentication, but I'd prefer not to do
that, as some players are too dumb to allow that.

Finally, the core question here—that Tuner, the sole legit app for
streaming on the iTouch/iPhone hiccups badly when acting as a client
from SlimServer. Still no word from Nullriver, either. I'm pursuing
this b/c I assume I'm not alone in wanting to be able to access my
music from anywhere over WiFi. (I should note that I've used both a
Nokia N800 and a PSP to do this, but neither have the horsepower to do
it well).

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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[Michael Herger]

> Michael, the point I made in the other thread is that the wiki
> currently gives instructions to achieve remote access without
> mentioning any of these issues (or that SC isn't really designed for
> remote streaming in the first place!).  I've found three relevant wiki
> pages so far but no instructions to secure remote streaming via SSH.
> It's just asking for trouble IMHO.  Will try to get in and edit today.

That'd be great, thanks!

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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[pippin]

mherger;320487 Wrote: 
> > Of course, I immediately hooked into my SoftSqueeze server. This was
> no
> > easy task, as SS seems to want an playback device calling it in order
> to
> > play, and Tuner on my iTouch wants a stream to grab (a problem I
> often
> 
> Hu? Just open http://yourserver:9000/stream.mp3 on the app. Wouldn't
> this  
> work?
> 
> Michael

No.
BTW it also does not work for a lot of other applications with me.
iTunes, for example, sometimes works and sometimes does not. QuickTime
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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[Michael Herger]

> Of course, I immediately hooked into my SoftSqueeze server. This was no
> easy task, as SS seems to want an playback device calling it in order to
> play, and Tuner on my iTouch wants a stream to grab (a problem I often

Hu? Just open http://yourserver:9000/stream.mp3 on the app. Wouldn't this  
work?

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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[wr420]

rfrost;320436 Wrote: 
> yup, to be exact:  Feel free
> to try it. [slash replaced by hyphen here to avoid bot harvesting].

Aaaa Yaa.  Since I'm not such a bad guy anymore I didn't test to see if
you by change made your config file read only but you may be asking for
trouble.
You may want to edit your post and possibly change your hostname at
dyndns.
wr420


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[rfrost]

yup, to be exact:  Feel free
to try it. [slash replaced by hyphen here to avoid bot harvesting].


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[andyg]

Were you using http://server:9000/stream.mp3 ?


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Re: [slim] Performance on iPhone & iPod Touch

[pippin]

K.
Next time I'll use that one:
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/wp-content/uploads/080116_nowplaying_trackstat.png
Or that one:
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/wp-content/uploads/iptemplate-trans.png
Better?
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