[discuss] Good idea for New update OpenOffice 2.4

2008-04-02 Thread eric . barada
Hi felicitations for your New update 4.0.

I Have new fixes for your new update :

1. When You have already Java update 5, whan you install Open Office 4.0 don't
install Java update 4 please...

2. The folder decompress files on desktop has not delete after the installation,
fix this problem.

3. Delete the ancient folder Open office 3.0 on program Files whan you install
Open Office 4.0, fix this problem.

Thanks to answer me if my request is correct.

Good continuation and long life for Open Office you are the best 


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[discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread RJKoning
We need an outlook type component to complete the suite. Is one available?
Are we building one?

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Suzette Davis

I would love one. How do we find out if someone is working on one?
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We need an outlook type component to complete the suite. Is one 
available?

Are we building one?



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Re: [discuss] Good idea for New update OpenOffice 2.4

2008-04-02 Thread Suzette Davis

What version of Java is safe to install the newest version of OpenOfice 2.1?
Thanks
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Hi felicitations for your New update 4.0.

I Have new fixes for your new update :

1. When You have already Java update 5, whan you install Open Office 4.0 
don't

install Java update 4 please...

2. The folder decompress files on desktop has not delete after the 
installation,

fix this problem.

3. Delete the ancient folder Open office 3.0 on program Files whan you 
install

Open Office 4.0, fix this problem.

Thanks to answer me if my request is correct.

Good continuation and long life for Open Office you are the best 


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Re: [discuss] Good idea for New update OpenOffice 2.4

2008-04-02 Thread Suzette Davis

OpenOffice 2.4
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What version of Java is safe to install the newest version of OpenOfice 
2.1?

Thanks
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Hi felicitations for your New update 4.0.

I Have new fixes for your new update :

1. When You have already Java update 5, whan you install Open Office 4.0 
don't

install Java update 4 please...

2. The folder decompress files on desktop has not delete after the 
installation,

fix this problem.

3. Delete the ancient folder Open office 3.0 on program Files whan you 
install

Open Office 4.0, fix this problem.

Thanks to answer me if my request is correct.

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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Lars Noodén
'Outlook' is most famous as a security hole masquerading as a useful
application.  In that context, one must also consider the back-end which
is MS Exchange.  So for that there is already a drop-in replacement:
https://www.damnvulnerablelinux.org/content/view/21/27/

However, if you mean e-mail, then it should be mentioned that
Mozilla Thunderbird is fully 'compatible' with OpenOffice.org.

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/

Same can be said of most (i.e. non-MS) mail clients.


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Re: [discuss] Good idea for New update OpenOffice 2.4

2008-04-02 Thread Graham Lauder
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 20:47:53 Suzette Davis wrote:
 OpenOffice 2.4
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  Thanks
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Full list of System requirements are here

http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_20.html

Cheers
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Re: [discuss] Extentions+ themes

2008-04-02 Thread Dave Barton

 Original Message 
From: Slim aouni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed 02 Apr 2008 09:46:32 EST


Hello, Congratulations for this fabulous work, I would like to
know if you plan to integrate the new extentions of Microsoft
Office 2007 (docx….). Also it would be great that the interface
become customizable by extentions( themes) like firefox. Thank you
very much.


The new extension you refer to is an exclusive Microsoft file format 
OOXML (Office Open Extensible Markup Language), which is not currently 
supported in the official edition of OOo (OpenOffice.org). This 
facility is proposed for inclusion in version 3.0.0 expected to be 
released around September 2008.


As a temporary (maybe permanent) option, you might consider the enhanced 
version of OOo called Oxygen Office Professional. This is still OOo, 
but this edition includes a number of extras and enhancements, one of 
them being the ability to open MS Office 2007 OOXML files. The 
conversion is not 100% perfect, but then neither is Microsoft's own 
Compatibility Pack for earlier versions of MS Office [1].


Oxygen Office Professional can be downloaded from:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooop

It is a fairly large download (approx. twice the size of the official
edition) and you will need to completely uninstall any current version
of OOo before you install Oxygen Office Professional.

[1] http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word/HA100444731033.aspx

There is already some degree of interface customization possible, but at 
 the present time developers tend to work on functionality, rather than 
extra eye candy.


You may also be interested to know that there is an OOo French language 
project available at: http://fr.openoffice.org


Hope this helps.

Dave

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Re: [discuss] WordPerfect

2008-04-02 Thread Guy Voets
2008/4/1, John Atkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I have now installed OpenOffice 2.4, and wish to convert my documents
 from WordPerfect 6.0a ... does anyone know how I may achieve that?
 --
 John H Atkinson


Hello John,

You can open WP files in Writer. Don't know whether there is a batch
procedure to do them all in one go... (the Wizard Conversion for Docs only
works for StarOffice and MSOffice.)

Form the Migration Guide
http://fr.openoffice.org/files/documents/67/3973/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf

What are the issues when migrating from
 WordPerfect to Writer?
 Can I open WordPerfect files in OOo?
 Yes, a WordPerfect filter is now available in the standard OpenOffice.org
 installation.
 What macros are available to make Writer work
 more like WordPerfect?
 Reveal codes
 OpenOffice.org's Writer does not have underlying codes in the same way
 that WordPerfect
 does. But a macro is being written that will allow you to work in a
 similar way to
 WordPerfect's reveal codes. See RevealCodes3.sxw available at
 http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hillview/OOo/ for more information.
 Hanging indents
 The hanging indent concept in Writer is quite different from the concept
 used in WordPerfect.
 The best approach in OpenOffice.org is to use styles, but to ease the
 transition, see either
 AltKeyHandler.sxw or Indents.sxw available from
 http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hillview/OOo/ for a macro that
 approximates WordPerfect's
 way of implementing hanging indents.


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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice and Sharepoint

2008-04-02 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Let us think about this subject and exchange ideas.

... adoption of SharePoint is helping foster Office 2007 upgrades...
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-converts-survey-says_1.html

Thanks,
khirano

On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:31 AM, Rexford Ballard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Consider some other alternatives to sharepoint.

  Lotus has team rooms and repositories that are acessible by both Windows
  and Linux clients.


  You can use CVS or Subversion, these are also commonly used repositories.
  There are GUI interfaces such as Tortoise.
  Microsoft is attempting to use Sharepointe to protect their monopoly.  CVS
  and Subversion provide the ability to save change-by-change
  revisions, to merge revisions, and to manager the history efficiently.
  Since these repositories can also be secured using LDAP, access control
  can be very tightly constricted and controlled.

  Try to determine the real goal.  What are the top 5 features they want
  from Sharepoint?

  Then look at how OSS applications can meet those same goals.
  Since OSS implementations can support both Windows AND Linux, make the
  case for the OSS alternatives.


  Rex Ballard - Senior IT Architect
  IBM Certified IT Architect
  OMG Certified Master IT Architect
  908-578-6803 (cell)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]






  James M. Rawlyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  10/09/2007 12:09 PM
  Please respond to
  discuss@openoffice.org


  To
  discuss@openoffice.org
  cc

  Subject
  [discuss] OpenOffice and Sharepoint








  Hello,



  I work for a fairly large school district.  We will be implementing
  Microsoft SharePoint over the next several months.  I personally love
  Open Office but unfortunately it appears that there is no connector so
  that Open Office will integrate with SharePoint the same way that Office
  2003 and Office 2007 integrate with SharePoint.  This is a bit
  frightening because SharePoint is rapidly expanding in many enterprise
  environments such as ours.



  Anyway, I wanted to pass along the suggestion that the someone look into
  a SharePoint connector much the same way that the Linux Evolution e-mail
  client came up with an Exchange connector.  That's a different situation
  but the same concept is the same.  Thanks again for your wonderful
  product.   At home it is the only office suite that I use but I'm afraid
  that I'm getting wedged out from using it at work since there is an
  almost seamless integration between Office and Sharepoint now.



  Have a good day,

  James Rawlyk

  Duluth Public Schools



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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice and Sharepoint

2008-04-02 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi,

And I have found an issue :)
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87550
Thanks,
khirano

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Kazunari Hirano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Let us think about this subject and exchange ideas.

  ... adoption of SharePoint is helping foster Office 2007 upgrades...
  
 http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-converts-survey-says_1.html

  Thanks,
  khirano



  On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:31 AM, Rexford Ballard
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Consider some other alternatives to sharepoint.
  
Lotus has team rooms and repositories that are acessible by both Windows
and Linux clients.
  
  
You can use CVS or Subversion, these are also commonly used repositories.
There are GUI interfaces such as Tortoise.
Microsoft is attempting to use Sharepointe to protect their monopoly.  CVS
and Subversion provide the ability to save change-by-change
revisions, to merge revisions, and to manager the history efficiently.
Since these repositories can also be secured using LDAP, access control
can be very tightly constricted and controlled.
  
Try to determine the real goal.  What are the top 5 features they want
from Sharepoint?
  
Then look at how OSS applications can meet those same goals.
Since OSS implementations can support both Windows AND Linux, make the
case for the OSS alternatives.
  
  
Rex Ballard - Senior IT Architect
IBM Certified IT Architect
OMG Certified Master IT Architect
908-578-6803 (cell)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  
  
  
  
James M. Rawlyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
10/09/2007 12:09 PM
Please respond to
discuss@openoffice.org
  
  
To
discuss@openoffice.org
cc
  
Subject
[discuss] OpenOffice and Sharepoint
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Hello,
  
  
  
I work for a fairly large school district.  We will be implementing
Microsoft SharePoint over the next several months.  I personally love
Open Office but unfortunately it appears that there is no connector so
that Open Office will integrate with SharePoint the same way that Office
2003 and Office 2007 integrate with SharePoint.  This is a bit
frightening because SharePoint is rapidly expanding in many enterprise
environments such as ours.
  
  
  
Anyway, I wanted to pass along the suggestion that the someone look into
a SharePoint connector much the same way that the Linux Evolution e-mail
client came up with an Exchange connector.  That's a different situation
but the same concept is the same.  Thanks again for your wonderful
product.   At home it is the only office suite that I use but I'm afraid
that I'm getting wedged out from using it at work since there is an
almost seamless integration between Office and Sharepoint now.
  
  
  
Have a good day,
  
James Rawlyk
  
Duluth Public Schools
  
  
  
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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice and Sharepoint

2008-04-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
O3spaces and WebDav had proven to be great soutions.

On 4/2/08, Kazunari Hirano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 And I have found an issue :)
 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87550
 Thanks,
 khirano


 On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Kazunari Hirano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Let us think about this subject and exchange ideas.
 
   ... adoption of SharePoint is helping foster Office 2007 upgrades...
 
 http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-converts-survey-says_1.html
 
   Thanks,
   khirano
 
 
 
   On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:31 AM, Rexford Ballard
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Consider some other alternatives to sharepoint.
   
 Lotus has team rooms and repositories that are acessible by both
 Windows
 and Linux clients.
   
   
 You can use CVS or Subversion, these are also commonly used
 repositories.
 There are GUI interfaces such as Tortoise.
 Microsoft is attempting to use Sharepointe to protect their
 monopoly.  CVS
 and Subversion provide the ability to save change-by-change
 revisions, to merge revisions, and to manager the history
 efficiently.
 Since these repositories can also be secured using LDAP, access
 control
 can be very tightly constricted and controlled.
   
 Try to determine the real goal.  What are the top 5 features they
 want
 from Sharepoint?
   
 Then look at how OSS applications can meet those same goals.
 Since OSS implementations can support both Windows AND Linux, make
 the
 case for the OSS alternatives.
   
   
 Rex Ballard - Senior IT Architect
 IBM Certified IT Architect
 OMG Certified Master IT Architect
 908-578-6803 (cell)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   
   
   
   
   
 James M. Rawlyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 10/09/2007 12:09 PM
 Please respond to
 discuss@openoffice.org
   
   
 To
 discuss@openoffice.org
 cc
   
 Subject
 [discuss] OpenOffice and Sharepoint
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 Hello,
   
   
   
 I work for a fairly large school district.  We will be implementing
 Microsoft SharePoint over the next several months.  I personally
 love
 Open Office but unfortunately it appears that there is no connector
 so
 that Open Office will integrate with SharePoint the same way that
 Office
 2003 and Office 2007 integrate with SharePoint.  This is a bit
 frightening because SharePoint is rapidly expanding in many
 enterprise
 environments such as ours.
   
   
   
 Anyway, I wanted to pass along the suggestion that the someone look
 into
 a SharePoint connector much the same way that the Linux Evolution
 e-mail
 client came up with an Exchange connector.  That's a different
 situation
 but the same concept is the same.  Thanks again for your wonderful
 product.   At home it is the only office suite that I use but I'm
 afraid
 that I'm getting wedged out from using it at work since there is an
 almost seamless integration between Office and Sharepoint now.
   
   
   
 Have a good day,
   
 James Rawlyk
   
 Duluth Public Schools
   
   
   
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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Bret Busby

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, RJKoning wrote:


Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:45:09 -0400
From: RJKoning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: discuss@openoffice.org
To: discuss@openoffice.org
Subject: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

We need an outlook type component to complete the suite. Is one available?
Are we building one?




This was discussed last month (and possibly many times previously).

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[discuss] Systran Support

2008-04-02 Thread B. Nattress

Dear Sirs,
The only thing remaining that compels me to use MS Word is the support for 
the Systran translation software. Within Word, I have a Systran toolbar.

Could this facility be made available within OpenOffice Writer?
Regards
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[discuss] someone selling open office:

2008-04-02 Thread ryan lewis davies
CAME ACCROSS THIS SITE - YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO IT.
 
they are selling something called opal office - the screens look exactly
like open office.
http://www.officebestdeal.com/?gclid=CLbItt-lvJICFQOc1AodjimpcA
 
 

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[discuss] Opción de sinónimos deshabilitada

2008-04-02 Thread Beatriz Sanchez Perez

Hola

Soy una becaria que trabajo impartiendo cursos de 
OpenOffice en la Universidad de Alicante, hemos instalado en las máquinas la 
versión 2.4 de OpenOffice, y probando sus nuevas opciones hemos visto que la 
opción de sinónimos no viene habilitada, y no hay manera de hacerla funcionar.


Espero les sirva de ayuda.

Le saluda atentamente Beatriz Sánchez. 

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[discuss] New Features

2008-04-02 Thread Michele Anselmini


Hi, I'm MIKE.
do you think you will add an architectural CAD in Ooo? (2D or better
3D).

Thanks
miguelon


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[discuss] Re: OpenOffice and Sharepoint

2008-04-02 Thread Alan Lord

Alexandro Colorado wrote:

O3spaces and WebDav had proven to be great soutions.

On 4/2/08, Kazunari Hirano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

And I have found an issue :)
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=87550
Thanks,
khirano


snip /

You could also take a look at Alfresco. It is GPL, and has OOo support 
built in. It also supports WebDav and CIFS access.


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Re: [discuss] Opción de sinónimos deshabilitada

2008-04-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
hola Beatriz sabes en que sistema operativo estan instalandolo?

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:36 AM, Beatriz Sanchez Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


 Hola

 Soy una becaria que trabajo impartiendo cursos de
 OpenOffice en la Universidad de Alicante, hemos instalado en las máquinas
 la versión 2.4 de OpenOffice, y probando sus nuevas opciones hemos visto
 que la opción de sinónimos no viene habilitada, y no hay manera de hacerla
 funcionar.


 Espero les sirva de ayuda.

 Le saluda atentamente Beatriz Sánchez.

 _
 La vida de los famosos al desnudo en MSN Entretenimiento
 http://entretenimiento.es.msn.com/




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[discuss] Re: [dev] New License and Contributor Agreement

2008-04-02 Thread Stefan Taxhet

Hi,

To round off the license and contributor agreement change[0] the 
exempted contributions guidelines and the new source header are now

available after review by the OpenOffice.org Project Leads.

As you know additional functionality for OpenOffice.org may be provided
as an OpenOffice.org Extension. Authors of Extensions are invited to
maintain their Extensions within the OpenOffice.org Project. This will
enable you to use the available facilities like mailing lists, issue
tracking, ... and the source repository for collaboration purposes. If
you prefer to do so without signing the SCA make yourself familiar with
the exempted contributions guidelines.
The home page of the external project[1] has been updated. It now
contains the guidelines for the exempted contribution of source code
extensions.
Along the way the handling of infrastructural libraries is
now stated more precisely.

To reflect the license change to LGPLv3 a new header for the source
files will be introduced. Header templates[2] are linked from our
guidelines for participation[3] and should be used for files created
from now on. On the DEV300 codeline all source files will be changed by
Sun Release Engineering to contain the new header before we release
OpenOffice.org 3.0 Beta.

Greetings
Stefan

[0] http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/newlicense2008.html
[1] http://external.openoffice.org
[2] http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/templates/code
[3] http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/guidelines.html


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Re: [discuss] someone selling open office:

2008-04-02 Thread Paul
 CAME ACCROSS THIS SITE - YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO IT.

 they are selling something called opal office - the screens look exactly
 like open office.
 http://www.officebestdeal.com/?gclid=CLbItt-lvJICFQOc1AodjimpcA


 The license that OpenOffice is offered under allows people to sell it.  It
is perfectly legal.

Spread the word however that it is offered free from www.openoffice.org.

/paul


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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Robin Laing

Bret Busby wrote:

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, RJKoning wrote:


Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:45:09 -0400
From: RJKoning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: discuss@openoffice.org
Subject: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

We need an outlook type component to complete the suite. Is one 
available?

Are we building one?




This was discussed last month (and possibly many times previously).



And will be discussed for the next XX months/years until there is a tie 
in to Thunderbird or another application.


I cringe everytime someone askes for an Outlook like client.  I find 
that the interface is terrible.



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Re: [discuss] New Features

2008-04-02 Thread Robin Laing

Michele Anselmini wrote:


Hi, I'm MIKE.
do you think you will add an architectural CAD in Ooo? (2D or better
3D).

Thanks
miguelon




Is there cad in Office from MS?

There are many opensource cad projects out there.  I use QCad myself. 
Looking at some 3D cad programs but no decision yet.



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Re: [discuss] New Features

2008-04-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Blender is a good 3D modeling software. There is another one but I
cant remember the name cycas or something.

Varicad is another and BricsCAD. ac3d and NX4

http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/products/nx/nx5/index.shtml

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 Michele Anselmini wrote:
  
   Hi, I'm MIKE.
   do you think you will add an architectural CAD in Ooo? (2D or better
   3D).
  
   Thanks
   miguelon
  
  

  Is there cad in Office from MS?

  There are many opensource cad projects out there.  I use QCad myself.
  Looking at some 3D cad programs but no decision yet.


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Re: [discuss] New Features

2008-04-02 Thread Robert Derman

Robin Laing wrote:

Michele Anselmini wrote:


Hi, I'm MIKE.
do you think you will add an architectural CAD in Ooo? (2D or better
3D).

Thanks
miguelon




Is there cad in Office from MS?

There are many opensource cad projects out there.  I use QCad myself. 
Looking at some 3D cad programs but no decision yet.
   I think that the reason we get requests like this is that Draw *is 
so much better* than Microsoft's Paint which comes with windows that it 
actually resembles a true CADD program and people see that it is almost 
there, so they think that it wouldn't take much to bring it the rest of 
the way.  Since Draw is actually a vector drawing program rather than a 
raster drawing program like Paint, that may in fact be true.  I think 
that templates and add-ons could give Draw sufficient abilities in 
specific areas to make it useful for specific CADD applications. 
   I think that the other reason people ask for this is that there are 
no FOSS CADD programs that I am aware of.  If there are any, they are so 
poorly known that few people are aware of them. 


Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Daniel Kasak
On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 21:45 -0400, RJKoning wrote:

 We need an outlook type component to complete the suite. Is one available?
 Are we building one?

I'm using one to reply to you. It's called 'evolution'

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[discuss] Re: New Features

2008-04-02 Thread Russell Butler

Robert Derman wrote:

Robin Laing wrote:

Michele Anselmini wrote:


Hi, I'm MIKE.
do you think you will add an architectural CAD in Ooo? (2D or better
3D).

Thanks
miguelon




Is there cad in Office from MS?

There are many opensource cad projects out there.  I use QCad myself. 
Looking at some 3D cad programs but no decision yet.
   I think that the reason we get requests like this is that Draw *is so 
much better* than Microsoft's Paint which comes with windows that it 
actually resembles a true CADD program and people see that it is almost 
there, so they think that it wouldn't take much to bring it the rest of 
the way.  Since Draw is actually a vector drawing program rather than a 
raster drawing program like Paint, that may in fact be true.  I think 
that templates and add-ons could give Draw sufficient abilities in 
specific areas to make it useful for specific CADD applications.I 
think that the other reason people ask for this is that there are no 
FOSS CADD programs that I am aware of.  If there are any, they are so 
poorly known that few people are aware of them.
There is an extension at 
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/cadooo


I have not been able to get it running on my (linux) system due to java 
issues, but you might like to give it a try.


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[discuss] Re: New Features

2008-04-02 Thread Russell Butler

Robert Derman wrote:

Robin Laing wrote:

Michele Anselmini wrote:


Hi, I'm MIKE.
do you think you will add an architectural CAD in Ooo? (2D or better
3D).

Thanks
miguelon




Is there cad in Office from MS?

There are many opensource cad projects out there.  I use QCad myself. 
Looking at some 3D cad programs but no decision yet.
   I think that the reason we get requests like this is that Draw *is so 
much better* than Microsoft's Paint which comes with windows that it 
actually resembles a true CADD program and people see that it is almost 
there, so they think that it wouldn't take much to bring it the rest of 
the way.  Since Draw is actually a vector drawing program rather than a 
raster drawing program like Paint, that may in fact be true.  I think 
that templates and add-ons could give Draw sufficient abilities in 
specific areas to make it useful for specific CADD applications.I 
think that the other reason people ask for this is that there are no 
FOSS CADD programs that I am aware of.  If there are any, they are so 
poorly known that few people are aware of them.

There is an extension at
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/cadooo

I have not been able to get it running on my (linux) system due to java
issues, but you might like to give it a try.

Russell
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Re: [discuss] Systran Support

2008-04-02 Thread jonathon
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 4:20 PM, B. Nattress wrote:

  the Systran translation software. Within Word, I have a Systran toolbar.
  Could this facility be made available within OpenOffice Writer?

Unless you can provide source code, that functionality needs to be
done by the developers of Systran. (I thought that they had already
included support for OOo.)

xan

jonathon

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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Bret Busby

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Robin Laing wrote:



Bret Busby wrote:

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, RJKoning wrote:


Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:45:09 -0400
From: RJKoning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: discuss@openoffice.org
To: discuss@openoffice.org
Subject: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

We need an outlook type component to complete the suite. Is one 
available?

Are we building one?




This was discussed last month (and possibly many times previously).



And will be discussed for the next XX months/years until there is a tie in to 
Thunderbird or another application.


I cringe everytime someone askes for an Outlook like client.  I find that the 
interface is terrible.



--
Robin Laing




But, what was in Star Office 5.2 was good; only problem, from memory, 
was that I could not get email filtering to work for me, and I think 
that one did not like high volumes of email (hundreds or thousands of 
messages each day).


But, Star Office 5.2 had good ideas and components. Some of the 
components just needed a bit of strenghtening.


It had what these people are seeking.

I think that I still have web sites and web pages, that I wrote using 
Star Office 5.2.


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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Bret Busby

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Daniel Kasak wrote:


Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:42:28 +1100
From: Daniel Kasak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: discuss@openoffice.org
To: discuss@openoffice.org
Subject: Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 21:45 -0400, RJKoning wrote:


We need an outlook type component to complete the suite. Is one available?
Are we building one?


I'm using one to reply to you. It's called 'evolution'

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But, Evolution is not an integrated part of Open Office, and, from what 
I understand, Evolution is only about as good as Outlook.


(seeks protection from Evolution fanatics)
;)

As I have said elsewhere, Star Office 5.2 had the integreated 
functionality that people seem to be seeking.


Maybe, the Open Office developers could investigate and consider 
re-instituting the functionality and components that were in Star Office 
5.2, that were eliminated when it was changed to Open Office.


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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Daniel Kasak
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 10:52 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

 On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Daniel Kasak wrote:
  On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 21:45 -0400, RJKoning wrote:
 
  We need an outlook type component to complete the suite. Is one 
  available?
  Are we building one?
 
  I'm using one to reply to you. It's called 'evolution'
 
 But, Evolution is not an integrated part of Open Office,

Sure it is. What part of it isn't integrated?

  and, from what 
 I understand, Evolution is only about as good as Outlook.

I haven't used Outlook, but I will suggest to you that evolution is
already better.

 As I have said elsewhere, Star Office 5.2 had the integreated 
 functionality that people seem to be seeking.

Oh Christ no! Let's not talk about that abomination, OK?

 Maybe, the Open Office developers could investigate and consider 
 re-instituting the functionality and components that were in Star Office 
 5.2, that were eliminated when it was changed to Open Office.

I don't see the problem with Evolution. You asked for an email client. I
suggested one. If by 'integrated', you mean that you want a button
somewhere in OOo to create a new email, then write a StarBasic script to
open evolution, and attach it to a button.

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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Peter Hyde


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To: discuss@openoffice.org
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Subject: Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite



On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 10:52 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:


On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Daniel Kasak wrote:
 On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 21:45 -0400, RJKoning wrote:

 We need an outlook type component to complete the suite. Is one 
 available?

 Are we building one?

 I'm using one to reply to you. It's called 'evolution'

But, Evolution is not an integrated part of Open Office,


Sure it is. What part of it isn't integrated?


 and, from what
I understand, Evolution is only about as good as Outlook.


I haven't used Outlook, but I will suggest to you that evolution is
already better.


As I have said elsewhere, Star Office 5.2 had the integreated
functionality that people seem to be seeking.


Oh Christ no! Let's not talk about that abomination, OK?


Maybe, the Open Office developers could investigate and consider
re-instituting the functionality and components that were in Star Office
5.2, that were eliminated when it was changed to Open Office.


I don't see the problem with Evolution. You asked for an email client. I
suggested one. If by 'integrated', you mean that you want a button
somewhere in OOo to create a new email, then write a StarBasic script to
open evolution, and attach it to a button.


If it is really that easy, ie: write a StarBasic script to open evolution, 
and attach it to a button


Then why is this not being done as a default setting, surely a simple link 
such as a click of a button that opens an email client would make the hordes 
who want an integrated email client happy :-)


Also if it is that easy, and evolution can be included as a part of OOo, 
then work to improve/expand it would also take place moving more towards a 
fully functioning office suite to eliminate the competition!




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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Daniel Kasak
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 14:11 +1000, Peter Hyde wrote:

  I don't see the problem with Evolution. You asked for an email client. I
  suggested one. If by 'integrated', you mean that you want a button
  somewhere in OOo to create a new email, then write a StarBasic script to
  open evolution, and attach it to a button.
 
 If it is really that easy, ie: write a StarBasic script to open evolution, 
 and attach it to a button
 
 Then why is this not being done as a default setting,

Because I don't want it, and you haven't done it.

  surely a simple link 
 such as a click of a button that opens an email client would make the hordes 
 who want an integrated email client happy :-)

See above response.

 Also if it is that easy, and evolution can be included as a part of OOo, 
 then work to improve/expand it would also take place moving more towards a 
 fully functioning office suite to eliminate the competition!

Sure. So do it.

The thing is that most people who develop open-source software can deal
with the concept of using the right tool for the right job, and also
have no problems launching applications.

Let me give an example. I just sent an email to a friend with an
attachment that I produced in OpenOffice. I exported it to PDF, then
switched to Evolution, and attached the PDF I just created.

Now, some people will complain that I had to switch out of OpenOffice
and into Evolution to create my email. I pity those people - honestly I
do ...

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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Peter Hyde


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To: discuss@openoffice.org
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite



On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 14:11 +1000, Peter Hyde wrote:

 I don't see the problem with Evolution. You asked for an email client. 
 I

 suggested one. If by 'integrated', you mean that you want a button
 somewhere in OOo to create a new email, then write a StarBasic script 
 to

 open evolution, and attach it to a button.

If it is really that easy, ie: write a StarBasic script to open 
evolution,

and attach it to a button

Then why is this not being done as a default setting,


Because I don't want it, and you haven't done it.


I guess sadly that is the reason why so many, lets say average computer 
users stick to the more expensive programs, they have problems doing what a 
few find easy and so give up entirely.


If we want the program to continue to have a rapidly growing user base, we 
need to suite most of the majority of potential users, as well as no doubt 
satisfy the majority of the existing users.






 surely a simple link
such as a click of a button that opens an email client would make the 
hordes

who want an integrated email client happy :-)


See above response.


Also if it is that easy, and evolution can be included as a part of OOo,
then work to improve/expand it would also take place moving more towards 
a

fully functioning office suite to eliminate the competition!


Sure. So do it.

The thing is that most people who develop open-source software can deal
with the concept of using the right tool for the right job, and also
have no problems launching applications.

Let me give an example. I just sent an email to a friend with an
attachment that I produced in OpenOffice. I exported it to PDF, then
switched to Evolution, and attached the PDF I just created.


This my friend is why so many unskilled users give up on OpenOffice. You 
find it easy they don't.




Now, some people will complain that I had to switch out of OpenOffice
and into Evolution to create my email. I pity those people - honestly I
do ...

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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Daniel Kasak
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 15:17 +1000, Peter Hyde wrote:

  Then why is this not being done as a default setting,
 
  Because I don't want it, and you haven't done it.
 
 I guess sadly that is the reason why so many, lets say average computer 
 users stick to the more expensive programs, they have problems doing what a 
 few find easy and so give up entirely.

I reject that outright.

How many people can't open an application? So what's the f*g
problem? If you want to start talking about *other* usability issues
with OOo, then that may or may not be another story. But I put it to you
that it takes *precisely* the same amount of effort and skill to open an
email program, whether the launcher is in a toolbar in OpenOffice, or on
the desktop, or in a launcher bar somewhere else.

The *real* reason that people don't adopt open-source software is that
people are afraid of change, and they use the smallest, stupidest
excuses to support their insistence on clinging to what they've got.
Take the current example.

  Let me give an example. I just sent an email to a friend with an
  attachment that I produced in OpenOffice. I exported it to PDF, then
  switched to Evolution, and attached the PDF I just created.
 
 This my friend is why so many unskilled users give up on OpenOffice. You 
 find it easy they don't.

I reject that also. It's not unskilled users who give up. It's lazy,
unintelligent users who give up. People who actually take an interest in
what they're doing have no problem with the above process. As for the
rest, I have no time for them, for the simple reason that they have no
time for themselves either.

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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Peter Hyde


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To: discuss@openoffice.org
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 2:28 PM
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On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 15:17 +1000, Peter Hyde wrote:


 Then why is this not being done as a default setting,

 Because I don't want it, and you haven't done it.

I guess sadly that is the reason why so many, lets say average computer
users stick to the more expensive programs, they have problems doing what 
a

few find easy and so give up entirely.


I reject that outright.

How many people can't open an application? So what's the f*g
problem? If you want to start talking about *other* usability issues
with OOo, then that may or may not be another story. But I put it to you
that it takes *precisely* the same amount of effort and skill to open an
email program, whether the launcher is in a toolbar in OpenOffice, or on
the desktop, or in a launcher bar somewhere else.

The *real* reason that people don't adopt open-source software is that
people are afraid of change, and they use the smallest, stupidest
excuses to support their insistence on clinging to what they've got.
Take the current example.


I do feel for those who work with you! Although I guess having some as 
skilled as you, with the ability to easily do what others may find somewhat 
confusing, is an asset in that you can make it work for them, which is 
great.


However from a TAFE aspect, teaching Beginners Courses in Computers etc. In 
reality it is not as easy as you may think. Go and ask the average person, 
not an already Computer savvy person to do what you suggest and you will 
find from their responses i.e.: blank stares that is beyond them. Also just 
speak to the millions of again so called average computer users with basic 
skills to make their own links, buttons etc, and again from their reactions 
you will find that you are somewhat out of touch with the true MR  MRS 
average computer person.





 Let me give an example. I just sent an email to a friend with an
 attachment that I produced in OpenOffice. I exported it to PDF, then
 switched to Evolution, and attached the PDF I just created.

This my friend is why so many unskilled users give up on OpenOffice. You
find it easy they don't.


I reject that also. It's not unskilled users who give up. It's lazy,
unintelligent users who give up. People who actually take an interest in
what they're doing have no problem with the above process. As for the
rest, I have no time for them, for the simple reason that they have no
time for themselves either.

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2008-04-02 Thread Suzette Davis

Why when OpenOffice is great
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Re: [discuss] we need an outlook component to the suite

2008-04-02 Thread Daniel Kasak
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 15:52 +1000, Peter Hyde wrote:

 However from a TAFE aspect, teaching Beginners Courses in Computers etc. In 
 reality it is not as easy as you may think. Go and ask the average person, 
 not an already Computer savvy person to do what you suggest and you will 
 find from their responses i.e.: blank stares that is beyond them.

So teach them how to open their email client. Get over it. As noted
multiple times, it takes just as much effort to open an email client
with a button *inside* OpenOffice as it takes to open en email client
with a button *outside* OpenOffice.

You really are clutching at straws. Find something more worthy to occupy
your time with. I've got an idea for you: why don't you integrate a file
manager into OpenOffice for me. I know I've already got a file manager,
and it's easy to open, but I absolutely refuse to open it from anywhere
other than inside my office package, and I think YOU should be the one
to implement it, because YOU want OpenOffice adopted by the masses. So
do it, or I'll whinge and carry on about how you don't care about users
and such.

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Daniel Kasak
IT Developer
NUS Consulting Group
Level 5, 77 Pacific Highway
North Sydney, NSW, Australia 2060
T: (+61) 2 9922-7676 / F: (+61) 2
9922 7989
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
website:
http://www.nusconsulting.com.au



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