Re: [discuss] REMINDER: IRC conf today

[Chris BONDE]

Could you send to me, off list, some instructions on how to hook up to this.  I 
have 
never used any chat programs before, never really saw a need.

Is this keyboard or voice?
What software and hardware is required?
TANX
Chris

> Just a last-minute reminder. The IRC bi-weekly conference is in less
> than 1 hour.
> 
> Title: Learning through Participation
> Day:   Sunday, March 20.
> Time:  21:30 UTC
> URL:   http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/
> 
> Location:
> 
> Server:  irc.freenode.net
> Channel: #ooonlc
> 
> I look forward to seeing you all there.
> 
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
> 
> About the IRC confs:
> 
> We are starting a series of bi-weekly IRC conferences. These are
> informal conferences, around 10-20min each. They are followed by a
> Question & Answer period, and then group discussion.
> 
> The purpose of these talks is to encourage different language
> communities to exchange ideas. It also provides an opportunity for
> people who do not normally meet each other, to meet in a friendly
> environment.
> 
> You can see the logs for last week's talk on the IRC conf web page:
> http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/
> 
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Re: [discuss] Re: Engineering mode in calc ?

[Chris BONDE]

> Daniel Carrera wrote:
> > Peter Knudsen wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Is there a way of telling Calc to show numbers in 
> >>engineering mode such as 150e-3 or 100e3 instead of 
> >>respectively 1.50e-1 and 1.00e5
> > 
> > 
> > Use a user-defined numering format:  000E+000
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> 
> Sorry, Daniel, that doesn't do it. In engineering mode the exponent is
> always a multiple of 3.
> 
> 5  =  5e+0
> 50 = 50e+0
> 500 = 500e+0
> 5000 = 5e+3
> 5 = 50e+3
> 50 = 500e+3
> 500 = 5e+6
> etc...
> 
> It follows from the use of metric prefixes of kilo, mega, tera, peta
> and milli, micro, nano, atto, femto, etc...
> 
> That's been the standard in engineering school since at least the late
> 70's when I attended.
> 

Boy, are you a young thing!

When I was going (not a gear) they had multiple scale, PI folder scales, etc 
slip 
sticks.

Chris

> And I have yet to find a calculator -- either physical or computer app
> -- capable of displaying such since my venerable old HP-41C died (the
> display went to crap on it). It may seem silly but I still miss that
> thing sometimes.
> 
> 
> Rod
> 
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Re: [discuss] IRC Instructions.

[Chris BONDE]

Daniel:
Your set up looks great!
However, to me, the Gaim site is daunting, it frightens me, what all do I need 
to 
download?

Chris

> Greetings everyone,
> 
> I've been working on the IRC conference page:
> http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/
> 
> I've just added instructions to help people get started with IRC. They
> cover both Gaim and Chatzilla.
> 
> http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/instructions/
> 
> Hopefully these will lower the barrier for people wanting to
> participate in the IRC talks.
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Daniel Carrera  | I don't want it perfect,
> Join OOoAuthors today!  | I want it Tuesday.
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Re: [discuss] IRC Instructions.

[Chris BONDE]

98se  not completely updated
Chris

> What operating system do you have?
> 
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 11:37:24PM -0800, Chris BONDE wrote:
> > Daniel:
> > Your set up looks great!
> > However, to me, the Gaim site is daunting, it frightens me, what all
> > do I need to download?
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > > Greetings everyone,
> > > 
> > > I've been working on the IRC conference page:
> > > http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/
> > > 
> > > I've just added instructions to help people get started with IRC.
> > > They cover both Gaim and Chatzilla.
> > > 
> > > http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/instructions/
> > > 
> > > Hopefully these will lower the barrier for people wanting to
> > > participate in the IRC talks.
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > -- 
> > > Daniel Carrera  | I don't want it perfect,
> > > Join OOoAuthors today!  | I want it Tuesday.
> > > http://oooauthors.org   | 
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Re: [discuss] Re: Another MS patent

[Chris BONDE]

> "G. Roderick Singleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 
> 
> Having said that, it is interesting to note that the Microsoft
> proposal to overhaul the patent system bears the potential for a
> solution. Just add to the rule 
> 
>Allow third parties to submit "prior art" information to patent
>examiners during the patent process itself, rather than only after
>a patent has been issued.
> 
> the following rule
> 
>If prior art is acknowledged, the patent is automatically assigned
>to whoever is the creator of the prior art, at the cost of the
>original patent applicant.
> 
> That wil teach them :-).
> 
> -- Johan
> -
Each country has its own patent office, the EU is starting its own and 
someother 
economic groups are starting their own as well.

I was out of the patent application business about the same time software was 
allowed to be patented.  I think that it started in the USA then was exported 
(please 
correct if wrong)  My understanding is that in the USA, that during the 
application 
the examiner tries to cite prior art to disallow the patent, if the applicant 
does not 
note relevant prior art at application and during application the application 
could be 
disallowed.  Until the examiner is satisfied the process is kept secret.

Maybe what you would like to have is,  that if the examiner is happy with the 
application that it be published for an open examination.  However, this might 
delay 
the application further, hence just might extend the patent protected period 
longer.

Another thought might be to shorten the patent protection period of software 
patents 
to 10 years (probably double the 5 yr estimated real life).  I say this as I 
think it is 
17yr in the USA from time of issuance.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Finally some "Voice Recognition" software for OpenSource / Maybe even OOo :-)

[Chris BONDE]

I think that someone should follow this development.

We should put it in the category of helping the blind.  I know of a few people 
that 
have difficulties reading the screen.  But also typing and reading what they 
typed.

Chris
reading
> Hi Everyone!
> 
> Looks like there may be a viable "OpenSource" voice recognition
> program out there now.  In my wanderings I found out about the
> following program.
> 
> The CMU Sphinx Group Open Source Speech Recognition Engines
> http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/html/cmusphinx.php
> 
> A little bit of what they are talking about,
> "The packages that the CMU Sphinx Group is releasing are a set of
> reasonably mature, world-class speech components that provide a basic
> level of technology to anyone interested in creating speech-using
> applications without the once-prohibitive initial investment cost in
> research and development; the same components are open to peer review
> by all researchers in the field, and are used for linguistic research
> as well."
> 
> Maybe OOo will be able to eventually include voice recognition. 
> Dragon Naturallyspeaking does not appear to want to "play nice" with
> OpenSource software.
> 
> Anyone else have some thoughts about this.
> 
> SC
> 
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Re: [discuss] Re: No-break

[Chris BONDE]

> John W. Kennedy wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Just as with quotation marks, Unicode is trying to undo confusion
> > introduced by cost-saving measures applied to Victorian typewriters.
> > (I have seen people -- usually in their late 50's or older -- who
> > will, if not stopped, use lower-case "L" instead of the digit "one"
> > and sometimes even upper-case "O" instead of digit "zero".)
> > 
> 
> Oh man, that takes me back! I learned how to type back in the '70s on
> an old manual typewriter. I had forgotten how it didn't have those
> keys! I can also remember forming an exclamation mark with an
> apostrophe, back-space, and period. And of course, no ~`[]{}<>\ or |.
> 
> And Dan Rather can tell you about the lack of any kind of real super-
> or sub-scripting back then, too.
> 
> Rod
> 
My super- and sub scripting was done by turning the platten a wee   bit.
Not that very consistent tho.  Some of the other signss were done with a thin 
nib 
and black ink.  I think that I still have the typwritter from back then.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] A good idea

[Chris BONDE]

> 
> --- CPHennessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Monday 04 April 2005 20:23, + Pedro Martins wrote:
> > >  [ MODERATED ] 
> > > Hi, my name is Pedro Martins
> > >
> > > Add this feature to openoffice:
> > >
> > > Convert a pdf file to spreadsheet
> > > Convert a pdf file to text document
> > 
> > PDF is really not for editing. 
> 
> After the creation of anything, it's not really for editing, but
> sometimes editing a finished product serves a purpose. Like adding
> improvements, or borrowing content. What if a file was converted to
> PDF and the original was lost? Would you need to re-do the entire
> original?
> 
> I suppose if you think about it however, a PDF can have its text
> copied, but what does that leave for graphics?
> 
> Just something to throw around.
> 
> 'meber peter. I'll re-iterate myself. The question shouldn't be why,
> but why not?
> 
>  Rigel
> > 
I have noted that when looking at scanners to buy, the package includes 'a ton" 
of 
software.  Some of the software will actually convert PDF files.  However, some 
of 
the software will take graphics besides the text through OCR.

OOo has to be careful that it does not grow like a misshappened cabbage just 
because someone said why not.  To make what beta 2 is suppose to be, took a lot 
of work and will take more to document and tweak.  Then the next thing is to 
market 
it. Yes, have more people use it.

I have wondered why MS developed many word processors?  Maybe it was because 
the big one was too complicated for the average Joe and Jane to understand.  I 
know that is where I am.  I have not been able to understand or use more than 
15% 
of WordPerfect!

Chris

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Re: [discuss] publisher

[Chris BONDE]

Right ON!

Similar questions from brochure to newsletters to booklets have been asked.

Chris

> Ok, from the responses, it sounds like MS-Publisher is around because
> it was bundled for a while with other MS products.
> 
> Perhaps an article or tutorial or HOWTO on the topic of using OOo for
> flyers or newsletters is in order.
> 
> -Lars
> Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>   Software patents harm all Net-based business, write your MEP:
>   http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep6/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN
> 
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Re: [discuss] publisher

[Chris BONDE]

Nicolas:
Comments below

> Le vendredi 08 avril 2005 à 11:23 -0700, Chris BONDE a écrit :
> > Right ON!
> >
> > Similar questions from brochure to newsletters to booklets have been
> > asked.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > > Ok, from the responses, it sounds like MS-Publisher is around
> > > because it was bundled for a while with other MS products.
> > >
> > > Perhaps an article or tutorial or HOWTO on the topic of using OOo
> > > for flyers or newsletters is in order.
>
> A real dtp mode would be better. Publisher sucks, but dtp itself is so
> much more powerful than word processing. Had publisher and word been
> published at the same time, I'm not so sure word would not be the ugly
> office duckling now. Of course word processing can work in text mode,
> so by the time publisher was feasible word was already well
> established at Microsoft.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Nicolas Mailhot

I am not sure what you are suggesting or are you just making a comment?
I am also lost on what a "...real dtp mode ..." is?
I think that what I would like to suggest is how can I use OOo to accomplish the
various things, such as what publisher can do, as brochures, booklets, 
newsletter,
organizations announcements (3 fold letter) etc.

Chris



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[discuss] Measurments

[Chris BONDE]

Peter or Daniel can answer this very easily.

I am investigating the idea of upgrading, updating my dial-up to ADSL.
Sometimes the screen downloads are slow on dial-up, however, for software etc I 
use LeechGet.

Now the speed on dial-up is connected at 50,666 bps, reports in Bytes received. 
 So 
I assume that is bits per second. I have 300hr per month and the most I have 
used 
is 40 in a month.  The ADSL is 1500 kilobits per second, 24/7 hook up.  BUT, I 
noticed a cap on transfer at 10GB. (Also and additional 15hr of dial-up.)

I realize that a kilo byte is 1024 bits.  However, if I remember correctly to 
transfer a 
byte of data the byte is 8 bits but there is at least a parity bit and a check 
bit 
associated with the bytes.  Further, when sending a message there are header 
bytes 
and trailer bytes.  So all these must count in the 10GB of transfer, must not 
they?

So if I ran a download at the 1500 kilobits per second constantly,  (I 
understand that 
that is top speed and may not be achievable all the time.), how many hours 
until 
10GB max used up?  And how many GB transferred in one hour.  I have calculated 
about 0.5 GB per hour.

Any comments please.

Chris 


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Re: [discuss] crash

[Chris BONDE]

In the timed save, does it save to the original file or does it save to a 
diferently 
named extention file?  I generally save after every major change or 10min if 
not 
doing too much.

Chris

> I agree, this is a Beta but you can also prevent this from happening
> by configure your OpenOffice.org properly. Please go to Tools >
> Configuration > Load/Save
> 
> Look for the option to save every x amount of time. This will force
> you to save your work always.
> 
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish
> http://es.openoffice.org/
> 
 
> > Adrian:
> >
> > I am sorry to hear you lost three hours of work.
> >
> > However, are you aware that the software you were using is BETA
> > software? Under normal circumstances, BETA software should never be
> > used in any kind of production environment.
> >
> > oldgnome
> >
> > adrian Greeman said the following on :
> >
> > >I spent three hours working on an article in Writer this afternoon
> > >- and
> > then it crashed for no apparent reason (the only fault i have being
> > that I had not yet saved the document and it was still not
> > labelled.)
> > >
> > >Anyway I got the error repot message which I filled in and then it
> > >said it
> > would recover the document.
> > >
> > >But it did not. Nothing happened.
> > >
> > >1000 words vanished and three hours work.
> > >
> > >Do I keep using it? NO way can I take the chance. And I am very
> > >disappointed
> > because I want to.
> > >
> > >But I am not suffering that again.
> > >
> > >It was version 1..9.87
> > >
> > >
> > >Regards
> > >
> > >Adrian


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Re: [discuss] Idea and Suggestion

[Chris BONDE]

> On Sunday 17 April 2005 06:13, Olly Othalian wrote:
> > Hi there
> >
> > I was typing out a assignment for my university course and
> > repeatedly having to refer to notes on spelling new words which I
> > had already type out in other paragraphs above.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This already exists, and it is one of my favorite functions in OOo. 
> Just click tools > AutoCorrect/AutoFormat and then click on the tab
> that says, "Word Completion" and then left mouse click in the box that
> says enable word completion.  You are all set!
> 
Is that the way that word completion works?  I thought that it worked from the 
dictionary that spell check works from.  If it works from both, that is great.

Thank you for pointing that out.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Idea and Suggestion

[Chris BONDE]

> Chris BONDE wrote:
> 
> >Is that the way that word completion works?  I thought that it worked
> >from the dictionary that spell check works from.  If it works from
> >both, that is great.
> >
> >Thank you for pointing that out.
> >  
> >
> Yes, it takes words from the current document as a guide. Not only
> that, it even looks at *other* documents you currently have open. Just
> now I was transfering some information from a file Jean sent me. The
> original file had such non-words as "WeberWoman" and "Wrevenge". As I
> was copying them, AutoCorrect suggested those non-words at just the
> right places.
> 
> Is that cool or what?
> 
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
> 
>
Darn tootens it is.  I could create a file with nonsencical words in it, then 
use that as 
a pseudo dictionary list.  Yah, hoot mon, da skals er kumming.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Print Even, Print Odd, WHERE ARE THEY?

[Chris BONDE]

> I didn't use open office 1.X.X because I couldn't find an easy way to
> print only the even pages or only the odd pages of a docment.  MS word
> has an easy way of selecting this in the printer window but it's not
> apparent or doesn't exist in Open Office.
> 
> Why would anyone want this?  It makes it easy to use a single sided
> printer to print both sides of a document.  First one prnts the even
> pages and then you flip the stack and put it back in the printer. 
> Then you print the odd pages.  With a one hudred and some page
> document one doesn't want to have to type 1,3,5,7, . and so on. 
> One wants to check "ODD" (or "EVEN").
> 
> I have done this for many years with MS Word and am hoping it will be
> added to Open Office.  I'm disgusted that it still can't be found in
> the printer window of the beta releas of version 2.
> 
> It seems like such an easy thing to add, code wise, so why not add it
> before the release of version 2?
> 
In ver 1.1.3 try File>Print select options then right pages, this might work.
I use it with brochure to print 2 pages on a letter size sheet, then turn over 
the pages 
and selct left.  Works like a ?

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

[Chris BONDE]

> Eric Hines wrote:
> 
> > Actually, the concept of patents and copyrights is a good one
> 
> I'd agree about copyrights, but not patents. I think that getting a
> monopoly on an IDEA is ridiculous.
> 
> > --it compensates the inventor(s) for their efforts, and so spurs
> > innovation
> 
> I've never seen any evidence that granting a monopoly over an idea
> (patents) spur innovation. And I have seen a lot of evidence to the
> contrary. Putting roadblocks in the sharing of ideas inhibits
> progress, since all ideas are based on relatively small modifications
> of old ones.
> 
> >--the performance of the open source community notwithstanding.
> 
> And the scientific community, which is much older, by several hundred
> years.
> 
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
Both copyrights and patents are monopolies on ideas, just a different way of 
expressing the idea.  Now the basic concept of rewarding a person for 
disclosing 
their idea to the world instead of keeping it a secret is good (patent).  
However, the 
way that it is implemented (see the various countries that have different ways) 
and 
then manipulated (see how companies will patent certain things in different 
ways in 
different places)  

Ways of overcoming this manipulation has been licensing, shortening the term, 
tightening what can be patented. 

 However,  the expansion of what can be patented from a chemical process to a 
chemical for use in the body then expanding the term for this particular type a 
chemical patent etc is what is wrong. Also,  patenting a plant.   but it is big 
money.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

[Chris BONDE]

> On Mon, May 30, 2005 13:43:46 PM -0400, Daniel Carrera
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 

> Absolutely yes. That's copyright realm. But inventions and patents are
> different. If you come to my home, see my half dome photograph, and
> inspired by that go to Yosemite to make much better ones, none of us
> can and should pretend anything on the work of the other. I agree
> 100%. But if I had finished yesterday, after years of labor, the
> formula for the film you used, maybe spending a lot of money, you
> copied the formula today and, without even really understanding it,
> began to sell tomorrow films at a cheaper price because you have no
> R&D costs to recover, I'd be mightily pissed. That's why patents were
> invented.
I like the last sentence LOL, also the reference of 'That's"  FOTFL

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

[Chris BONDE]

Hey, guys should not we take this to social?  
It is becoming less and less discussing.

Chris

> M. Fioretti wrote:
> 
> > You can do it with small material things which can be built with
> > *very* little space and money, or in "environments" where, again
> > unlike software, everybody plays by the same rules. But you can't
> > "release early and often" new fuels, cars, microprocessors, or the
> > extremely complex machinery needed to build even one single working
> > prototype. Not when you want to actually build and sell many units.
> 
> Actually, very large particle accelerators are a lot more expensive
> than cars and microprocessors and they don't use the restrictive model
> (some new fuels are cheaper, others aren't). They still grow progress
> in incremental steps. It's also interesting to note that new fules,
> cars and microprocessors also don't have the secretive model you
> described, and this lack of secrecy or monopoly has been the source of
> inmsense growth in new fuels, cars and microprocessors. This has been
> the case for as long as there have been projects that require high
> expenditures (several hundred years, beginning with large telescopes
> for astronomy). And they have all been done without secrecy or
> monopoly, and they have all grown inmensely because of the lack of
> secrecy and monopoly.
> 
> So yes, actually, it definitely scales, all the way up to the largest
> projects ever made. The thing about using patents to "protect"
> invention is actually a very recent aberration in a few fields, most
> notably the pharmaceutical industry (and the pharmaceutical industry
> uses labs that are cheaper than particle accelerators or fusion
> reactors). It is a lot less common that it might seem at first. But
> truth is, most discovery is not done in the big-bang model. Not in the
> past, and not today.
> 
> 
> > Historically, yes. It was a simpler world, with simpler technology
> > to discover.
> 
> 1) Proportionally, telescopes and other technology of the time was
> still quite very expensive.
> 
> 2) What I said still applies to the modern world.
> 
> > Again, it would be wonderful if all inventions could happen in the
> > way you describe.
> 
> They can.
> 
> And I'm sure that the benefit that might be derived from the
> finnancial incentive is far outweight by the slow down in discovery
> due to government imposed monopolies.
> 
> > And I surely want to see a world where as much
> > scientific research as possible is funded by governments and other
> > non-profit institutions. for the common good.
> 
> Don't confuse the small-step development model with aulterism.
> Perfectly selfish companies can bring about discovery without patents,
> and earn money. And indeed, discovery is faster. A good example of
> this is, ironicaly, in the computer industry. Microprocessors are not
> packed with patents. Nothing prohibits you from creating a
> microprocessor that copies the x86 design, inspite of the fact that it
> took time, effort and money to make. But you don't see the
> microprocessor industry stagnant. In fact, you see the opposite, it's
> seen fantastic growth.
> 
> Now, what would happen if (say) Intel had been granted a monopoly on
> the x86 chip model? Then AMD would not have been able to compete with
> them by copying the model, which would have removed a motivator for
> Intell to improve the technology further. And today microprocessors
> would not be nearly as advanced as they are today.
> 
> The same holds true for cars, new fuels, and many other things that
> require heavy investment.
> 
> > But I am convinced that
> > *real* patents, as they were meant to be, would NOT hurt or slow
> > down that process, and stimulate a lot of activity in the meantime.
> 
> I have no doubt that if Intel had gotten a patent on the x86 chip
> design, that would have severely hurt the development of
> microprocessors.
> 
> Likewise, I've seen sound medical research been hurt bye either
> patents or patent-like provisions from NAFTA. There was a case where
> an American company found a very expensive, and accurate method of
> detecting a type of cancer (I forget the details). A Canadian company
> found a method that was only about 80-90% accurate (based on looking
> at proteins, I remember that bit, it was an indirect method) but was
> less than 1/10th the cost. The American company successfully sued the
> Canadian under NAFTA provisions and forced it to stop. Notice, this
> was a completely different system of diagnosing the same illness.
> 
> I can't believe that this sort of system stimulates progress.
> 
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
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Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

[Chris BONDE]

> On Mon, May 30, 2005 20:23:13 PM -0400, Daniel Carrera
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 
> > Chris BONDE wrote:
> 
> > >Now the basic concept of rewarding a person for disclosing their
> > >idea to the world instead of keeping it a secret is good (patent).
> > 
> > That is neither the intention, nor the effect of patents.
> 
> As far as I know, it indeed *is*. I (government):
> 
> 1) make sure that everybody can learn all the details of new
>technologies by *forcing* inventors to disclose what they did. 2)
> keep inventors motivated to keep inventing while giving away by
>granting them a temporary monopoly.
> 
> > The intention of patents was to encourage people to work on
> > developing ideas with the promise that, in return, they would be
> > granted a temporary monopoly.
> 
> No. Without patents people would have invented and sold anyway, just
> keeping the secret on how they did stuff. Meaning that their monopoly,
> without the patent papers which are mandated just to share knowledge
> as *early* as possible, could have lasted even longer than a patent
> duration.
> 
> Marco
> 
Well put.

Certain companies have trade secrets which are kept secret for much longer than 
necessary.  If these where released then further improvement could have been 
done hence better for all.

However, the implimentation of the patent scheme has changed.  Each country has 
a different way of handling the patent.  Some charge large fees.  Some charge 
yearly renewal fees with the fee increasing each year.   Then others are almost 
a 
registration service.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org 1.1.5 Release Candidate Is Here

[Chris BONDE]

> Alex Janssen wrote:
> [snipped 1.1.5rc announcement]
> > 
> >> 
> Hello Alex
> 
> 1.1.5 is considered necessary as a bridge for 1.1.x users to attend to
> a planned migration to 2.0 (uses the new OpenDocument format) when it
> becomes available.
> 
> 1.1.5 follows the 1.1.x codeline, and an important item that I did
> miss from the message is that it includes the security patch that is
> required for 1.1.4.
> 
SNIP
> Regards
> Jacqueline McNally
> Lead, OpenOffice.org Marketing Project

You say that 1.15 is considered necessary as a bridge.  Does that mean I >have 
to 
download and install 1.1.5<  or can I stay with 1.1.3 until 2 is ready then go 
go go.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Peter, and other volunteers, please stop duplicate messages, was: Greetings

[Chris BONDE]

I think that Peter has done a good job in explaining his point.

Now the rest of those who keep on posting and complaining are doing exactly 
what 
they said that Peter was doing,  cruding up the reflector with lotsa stuff I 
just delete.

Maybe you all need a mediator to come to a consensus and leave it at that.

Chris

> Overview of my post:
> I have read the thread through now and I will try to respond in one
> post to save bandwidth, but I make no promises. I will say that now
> that I am thoroughly upset that I have to explain this again. Marco,
> who is very found of the archives, seems to ignore all of the
> responses he receives every time he brings this up. I will re-explain
> myself below.
> 
> However, I will make a statement now. Until CPH or another high
> ranking list moderator (I am moderator, but I am not high-ranking)
> tells me to stop, I have no plans to stop because my method engenders
> good customer service and achieves more positive goals than any
> suggested alternative. I will admit that I don't remember Marco's idea
> and I can't view the archives at the moment, but I remember not liking
> it last time he brought it up.
> 
> M. Fioretti wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 12:21:04 PM -0500, Peter Kupfer OOo
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 
> > 
> >>As you are not subscribed, you may have missed this post.
> > 
> > 
> > Peter (and all the others who lately have re-sent messages for the
> >   same reason, that's why I'm posting here),
> > 
> > as we *are* duly subscribed, we had *not* missed that post, and the
> > three others you re-sent in short sequence. I understand that, due
> > to the amount of traffic here, casual visitors may not subscribe,
> > just shot questions (**), and I also thank all you volunteers for
> > your work, but please don't make traffic even higher.
> 
> 1) You are making list traffic high with a post that, if you look back
> in the archives, is not going to change my actions. I told you then,
> as I am now, that I am not going to change until a moderator or the CC
> tells me I am not to do this.
> 
> 2) Posting a second time to notify the list this has happened is a
> better method than others for several reasons that have been
> elaborated on in this thread, but I will attempt to summarize now.
> (Please read all sub points before responding.)
> 
> a) Just ccing the OP without telling the list is inconvenient for the
> OP. The OP shouldn't have to get 10 messages with the same answer.
> This is not going to engender a like of our product. (see below)
> 
> b) Only posting to the list and not giving a rat's behind about the OP
> who is unsubscribed is not good customer service. Many people, I was
> one of these people, don't get that this is a mailing list. Many
> "newbies" think we are customer support department of a big
> corporation and that they are e-mail tech support. Those people
> deserve an answer.
> 
> When I first joined, someone took the time to e-mail me an answer and
> on other lists I have gotten answers from people. I would imagine most
> of had someone help us the first time and that is why we stuck around.
> I feel an obligation to make sure that every user gets the same amount
> of help that I received.
> 
> If we help that new user and they are pleased they may subscribe and
> become a productive member of our community. Perhaps that is the
> liberal in me that wants to help every one. If I was more conservative
> I suppose I would say screw the OP who doesn't realize this is a
> mailing list and they can figure out how to find the answer on their
> own.
> 
> Maybe that person won't join or contribute something, but maybe they
> will tell a friend and then we have two more people using OOo and that
> is a good thing. Maybe that person owns a huge law firm and they
> decide that is a good product and decide to replace MSO on all 300 of
> their computers with OOo. That is a good thing. If it means that even
> one other person will find the joy and beauty of OOo and OSS, then I
> don't care if you or any other subscribed user has to hit delete 30
> times, it is worth it.
> 
> 3) When I respond to a questions from an unsubscribed user, I cc them
> then so that this is not a problem. If we all did this, this wouldn't
> be an issue. Fundamentally, it seems the difference in our two camps
> is that I am willing to do a little work for the OP and deal having to
> delete and extra 10 messages to make that person's life better and you
> are not.
> 
> 4) I don't resend every response. If a response is not useful for the
> question, I don't resend that. I want you to imagine for a second that
> you are new and confused. You have a question about this new
> interesting software you downloaded and you send it to a list and
> never get a response. So now, you can software and you can't get paste
> a simple error. Do you feel like sticking with this software whose
> customer service department just ignores you? I don't think so.
> 
> 5) I find things ann

Re: [discuss] PDF file handling

[Chris BONDE]

> Hi,
> 
> Is there any way to read PDF files directly with OpenOffice 2.0. Since
> it has such nice PDF writing capability, should it not have reading
> capabilities as well.
> 
> TR
> 
Thedore:

As far as I know, the simple answer is no.  But why would you want to read PDF 
files in OOo Writer?  There are some functions in Adobe reader that are not in 
OOo 
Writer (that I know of) that are just great for reading and studying the 
document.  I 
have produced a PDF file from OOo Writer just so that I could use some of the 
features.  Bookmarks, index, paging, just to name a few.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Fading toolbars

[Chris BONDE]

>
> On 2005-08-30 21:24:11, Daniel Kasak wrote:
> > Daniel Leal Werneck wrote:
> >
> >> Dear people,
> >>
> >> I have always been a huge fan of OpenOffice and I always encourage
> >> everyone to do the same. But testing 2.0ß I found a major problem
> >> that is ruining it to me: PLEASE, DON'T MAKE THESE FADE-LOOKING
> >> TOOLBARS!
> >>
> > WHAT FADING TOOLBARS?
> > I DON'T SEE ANY FADING TOOLBARS IN MY INSTALLATION!
>
> I was trying to figure this one out, so just out of curiosity, I just
> put up a 1.1.4 swriter window next one from 1.9.125.
>
> The 1.9.125 (beta2.0 rel2) icons *do* look drab and somewhat "faded"
> by  comparison (IMHO, anyway).
>
> Not a complaint, just an observation...
>
> --
> william w. austin   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "life is just another phase i'm going through. this time, anyway ..."
>
I have just started using beta2.  I have noticed that every once in awhile the 
colour
seems tobecome washed out, fad-ING like, then back to normal.  It also happened
when I saved the text file I was working on.

I think tha the other times is during an auto save.  Maybe to many resources are
being used and colour is forgotten??

Chris

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Re: [discuss] music program

[Chris BONDE]

> On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 12:31:25PM +0200, Truus Waal wrote:
> > To anyone who can help me.
> > 
> > I'm looking for a program to write music. There are several
> > programs, like Finale, Cantate, Mozart. But they're expensive. I'm
> > looking for a program, like OpenOffice, that's simple,
> > user-friendly, for free, and (if possible) open source. I heard from
> > Louis Suarez-Potts, who is the Community manager at OpenOffice.org,
> > that he knows, there must have been something like this, but that's
> > already a year or two ago. 
> > 
> > Is thisprogram, or a program like this, still available and working?
> > Is there anyone, who's working on such a program? Where can I find
> > it? 
> 
> http://lilypond.org
> 
> Lilypond meets all your requirements unless you can only work from a
> GUI.  LilyPond works with any text editor and has some integration
> with emacs, JEdit and vim.  It produces better output than at least
> Finale.
> 
> I've been using it for three years and it keeps getting better.  It's
> two main authors are from your country.
> 
> Paul Scott
> 
Paul:

I have very briefly looked at LilyPond.  What I saw I liked, but, I was 
intimidated.

I am an older person, new student, trying to change some of the music that I 
have 
to be simpler for playing on piano, old organs (spinet types) etc.  I have 
managed to 
change the KEY of some pieces and eliminate the extra (SATB type).  But I have 
done this all by hand (paper curling and pencil smudging).

The other thing that I would like to do is to present the written music like a 
written 
poem.  That is for studying and learning the piece.  Some of the phrases are 
like 
poetry and should not be 'skrunted' together to save space.  Can LilyPond do 
this?  
Also, what else can I use it for?  Will it fit into  some MIDI so that it will 
play?

I thank you for your indulgence and the reflector's indulgence.  You may want 
to 
contact me offline.

Chris



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Re: [discuss] writing music

[Chris BONDE]

OOoo wish that some of this was, is, on Windoz
Chris

> Good resource about technology in lnux:
>  http://www.linuxmusician.com/
>  One of the most best recognized ones:
> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
>  There is a Music oriented Live CD under linux called dyne:bolics
> http://www.*dynebolic*.org/ 
>  And a spanish oriented distro called musix powered with most of the
> following software: http://www.musix.org.ar/
> 
>  On 9/2/05, Rigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi there :) Do you just need to record and edit audio, or do you
> > need record the notes as you go? If you need to write the notes as
> > you go, you may be well off to try something like a MIDI program,
> > that you can plug into an electronic piano(keyboard) that supports
> > MIDI. Or if you wan to do editing you can use Audacity for recording
> > sounds via microphone or auxilary cable :)
> > 
> > I use Anvil Studio for my MIDI recording (music writing)
> > http://www.anvilstudio.com/
> > I use Audacity for my audio recording (mixing and finishing)
> > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
> > 
> > Try those out :)
> > 
> > Truus Waal wrote:
> > 
> > >To anyone who can help me.
> > >
> > >I'm looking for a program to write music. There are several
> > >programs, 
> > like
> > >Finale, Cantate, Mozart. But they're expensive. I'm looking for a 
> > program,
> > >like OpenOffice, that's simple, user-friendly, for free, and (if 
> > possible)
> > >open source. I heard from Louis Suarez-Potts, who is the Community 
> > manager
> > >at OpenOffice.org, that he knows, there must have been something
> > >like 
> > this,
> > >but that's already a year or two ago.
> > >
> > >Is thisprogram, or a program like this, still available and
> > >working? Is there anyone, who's working on such a program? Where
> > >can I find it?
> > >
> > >Jos Lange
> > >Netherlands
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: [discuss] Outline-function

[Chris BONDE]

> Hello
> 
> I've been using Staroffice and now Openoffice for a while and it's a
> great and free alternative to MS Office and in most cases it more than
> meets my needs.
> 
> But one thing that I find extremely useful in MS Office is missing in
> Openoffice: the outline function! I always use this in larger
> documents to get a better general view on my work. It also makes
> moving chapters around very easy. It seems to me, that this is not
> that complicated a function, so I really hope, that it will be
> incorporated in future versions of Openoffice 2.0.
> 
> Best regards and keep up the good work
> 
> 
> Kasper Nedergaard Soerensen
> Denmark
Please see my request, basically the same. Copy follows.
Chris

+++
I have been working on trying to understand the outlining from the HELP.
No help, that is.  I just seems to 'conflamagate' things.

Where is a good place to read about outlining? And doing outlining?

Now, I plan, would like, to use outlining for two separate things (at present).

The first, is to set up notes, take notes, summarize, condense, the literature
on OOo.(Other documents or books as well.)  So document name, chapter title, and
main headings would be the same as the original document.  The text following
would be in list or point form as well as tables or figures (important ones
copied).

The second, is to set up an outline for my own writings (?).
This could be a little more complicated.  I have been writing 5 min (read) plays
as an educational form.  Also, I been trying to set up a leadership training
thing, that would include each officer's of the club duties, basic club
operation such as rules of order (not to be anything political as Robert's Rules
are but more nonsenses). And the odd time at church( to upset the elders).

I know that there is the capability in OOo to do this, but, at present it
escapes me. 

Any help is appreciated.
Chris






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[discuss] Copernic

[Chris BONDE]

Has anyone here used Copernic file finding software?

I think that it is very good.  HOWEVER, 
they donot seem to receive or answer any questions
they donot seem to have anything that works with OpenOfficeOrg.

I am filing a few files and trying to set up a method of retrieving etc.

I thought that Copernic was the solution, so far no-no.

Any suggestions?

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Re: writing music

[Chris BONDE]

> Chris BONDE wrote:
> > OOoo wish that some of this was, is, on Windoz
> > Chris
> > 
> 
> Time to change to a secure, stable and free OS perhaps?
> 
> Ingo
> 
Ingo or Blabla:

What do you suggest?
Also, will such accept the many applications that I have?

There are many people who donot do certain things because of the side effects, 
and 
demands of such.  I am looking into Ubunta for an OS.  Just need to receive the 
live 
CD.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Copernic

[Chris BONDE]

I think that is a great idea.
The response that Peter received appeared to me to be a standard donotbother me 
response.

Chris

> Hi Peter and Chris!
> 
> Maybe more of us who use Copernic should send them an e-mail
> requesting this so that they know it is not just a handful of people
> who want this.  I will contact them as well.
> 
> SC
> 
> Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:
> 
> > Chris BONDE wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone here used Copernic file finding software?
> >>
> >> I think that it is very good.  HOWEVER, they donot seem to receive
> >> or answer any questions they donot seem to have anything that works
> >> with OpenOfficeOrg.
> >
> >
> > Well they responded to my request to include Open Document file
> > types in a future version. The response was, "Thanks for your
> > suggestion.  Your message will be redirected to the appropriate
> > department as an enhancement request."
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Peter HB
> 
> 
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Re: [discuss] Online usage?

[Chris BONDE]

> Hi,
> is there any plans or talk about making it possible to use OpenOffice
> as an online tool? What I mean is that OO will reside on a server from
> which you can run its applications by accessing them via internet.
> Like this you don't need to install it on the machine you are using.
> There are a number of reasons why this could be a useful feature like
> traveling, mobility, space problems and so on...
> 
> Regards / Tomas
> -- 
> *BYTEK Systems AB, Sweden*
> --
I think that there are other systems that are thinking of this.  One would not 
have to 
worry about upgrading either.  The only difficulty that I see is what if you 
cannot 
connect to the server of choice.

There was talk of someone having a live CD, that is you could have OOo (and 
other 
apps) on a CD and just pop the CD into your drive and use it.  (Also, a jump 
drive.)  
Have not heard too much about these things lately.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Re: getting started communicating with OO

[Chris BONDE]

> On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:36:28 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [snipped]
> 
> > 
> > I noted that someone else also wanted a reveal markup codes feature
> > like WP 5.2 (which is the last wp that I used before OO)
> > 
> 
> First let me say that OOo is nothing like WP internally so reveal
> codes are something that is an extra.  Nonetheless you can get an
> installable macro that mimics WP's reveal codes. Try Ian Laurenson's
> repository. See http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hillview/OOo/
> 
> I think that proper use of styles is the way to go but each to his
> own.
> Documentation Co-lead
> J.H.
Well, them there now old pilgrim.

I have found that the WP (Corel) reveal very helpful in understanding what is 
going 
on.  Not that I fully understood, but it did help me save many a file.  It 
allowed me to 
find some of the things that were causing problems.

Now,  I think that styles is the way to go.  HOWEVER, this subject is very, 
very etc, 
difficult to learn.  I have downloaded many a file on how but am unable to 
understand and learn.

What do you suggest for us'n pour folk

Chris 

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Re: [discuss] OpenIndexer

[Chris BONDE]

> Hello
> 
> Has anyone tried or is using OpenIndexer ?
> 
> See: http://www.san-com.net/
> 
> It looks to be a useful utility. It works on the Windows platform
> only, and the GUI is in English, German, French and Italian. The web
> site is in English and Italian.
> 
> I would try it, but I mostly work on a Linux box and my Windows 98 box
> is a little tired these days to try new applications :)
> 
> All the best
> Jacqueline McNally
> Lead, OpenOffice.org Marketing Project

Looks entriguing. But have been unable to find more inof othe thatn the URL 
that 
you provided.  Screens as follows.  Anyone any comments?

Chris

FIRST SCREEN
OpenIndexer
Fulltext indexer for your OpenOffice.org files 

OpenIndexer collects all system information about your OpenOffice.org files. 
Furthermore, in case of text files, OpenIndexer extracts also the text 
information 
contained in the files.
OpenIndexer prepares a folder which contains your files, the collected data and 
the 
Ellipsis Search Engine - ready to be saved on CD or DVD.
  
  

 Ellipsis
The Fulltext Search Engine for CD/DVD 

Ellipsis is a fulltext search engine for CD and DVD. Similar to Google, 
Ellipsis 
allows to search single words inside of text files, but you can search also 
with 
indexes like original path or file date. 
Ellipsis finds any file in less than a second and allows you to open, copy or 
send the 
file by e-mail.

Ellipsis runs automatically after inserting the CD in the player. Ellipsis 
doesn't 
request any installation and will not modify any file on your PC. 
  
 
 
Download OpenIndexer  

 OpenIndexer is a freeware for Windows which generates the Ellipsis Search 
Engine 
to search inside your OpenOffice.org files.

Search for any word in your files and find them in less than a second. Save the 
files 
on CD/DVD to create an unique digital archive, searchable without any 
installation.
  
 NEXT SCREEN
OpenIndexer
Fulltext database for OpenOffice 


OpenIndexer detects automatically all OpenOffice files on your PC, extracts all 
information inside of them and prepares a CD/DVD in an output folder of your 
choice. 
This directory includes - in addition to your files - the Ellipsis Search 
Engine in order 
to find each document on the CD/DVD in less than a second.

OpenIndexer manages automatically all OpenOffice files. Text files will be 
indexed 
additionally with their complete content in order to support fulltext search.

OpenIndexer is freeware.  Simple to use:

 Start

Hit on the return key or click on the Start button and OpenIndexer will 
generate 
automatically the Ellipsis Search Engine to search inside your OpenOffice.org 
files.

 Verify

Click on the Verify button and you can search with Ellipsis for any word in 
your files 
and find them in less than a second.


Save the files in the output directory on CD/DVD to create an unique digital 
archive, 
searchable with Ellipsis without any installation.  

  Download (1,7 MB)

Editor: SAN

OpenIndexer 1.1
Freeware 
OS: Windows
GUI: english, german, french, italian, spanish, portughese 


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Re: [discuss] OpenIndexer

[Chris BONDE]

> Hello
> 
> Has anyone tried or is using OpenIndexer ?
> 
> See: http://www.san-com.net/
> 
> It looks to be a useful utility. It works on the Windows platform
> only, and the GUI is in English, German, French and Italian. The web
> site is in English and Italian.
> 
> I would try it, but I mostly work on a Linux box and my Windows 98 box
> is a little tired these days to try new applications :)
> 
> All the best
> Jacqueline McNally
> Lead, OpenOffice.org Marketing Project

Looks intriguing. But have been unable to find more info other than the URL 
that 
you provided.  Screens as follows.  Anyone any comments?

Chris
I am going to be away for awhile.  If you receive anything I would appreciate 
some 
in after Canadian Thanksgiving.  I would like to follow this up further.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] Break it up

[Chris BONDE]

> I'm on dialup and am not going to wait 7 hours for it to download.
> Could you break it up into smaller zip files that I could down load
> over a period of days?
> 
> 
> 
> 
Look at the page before the download page.  They recommend the use of a 
DownLoad Manager.  I reviewed some, and, decided that for me the best was 
LeechGet.  I tested it out.  You can start a download, put it in background, do 
something else bur slowly, pause it, then do something, even turn it off for 
the night 
and start it up the next day.   It took me about 4 days to download OOO.o in 
that 
manner.

Chris


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[discuss] Site Map?

[Chris BONDE]

In a thread on 'Stylist" the following was noted.

+=
> BTW: Is there a Spec detailling the new terminology somewhere?
> Especially for people writing documentation this would be great.
> It is not very easy to find this stuff across about 100 specs.
> There is an item for Terminology specs on the website, but it 
> is empty.

Here is a brief list:


There is a better list somewhere on the OOo site, but I don't remember 
where.
++

The part that really took my notice is that, a person, who knows a lot about 
OOo and 
where to find things, has difficulty remembering where it is.  Now, I have read 
similar comments previously.  So my question is,  How can a neophyte find out?

I have four going on five 8.5 by 11 sheets with URLs (cook book lines etc) on 
how to 
find (and how to do some) things.  My main concern with this e-Mail is where to 
find 
the stuff.  Now I realize the long documentation might contain a lot of info, 
but, 
reading from a screen is, at times difficult, when the document is over 
100pages.

Is there a site map of all the URLs  (first part between  //.   .   /)  and 
a short 
description of what might be found therein?

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[discuss] Old,old 2 b converted

[Chris BONDE]

Which forum?  users, discuss.

I belong to an organization that has a small booklet printed with dot matrix on 
coloured paper 8.5 by 11.  We need to set it up for a smaller paper size and a 
better 
printer.

I have tried my new inexpensive scanner, Canon with OmniPage SE.  However, the 
dot matrix leaves many of the tails off hence a 'y' becomes a ' v', 'p' an 'o'  
 etc.  
Further the coloured paper and light print causes problems.  But why use the 
scanner when you have the disk you might ask.  Well, if anyone can suggest how 
I 
can obtain info off a 5 1/4 disk with Apple works  II e.  Then maybe I can.  I 
think 
that I might be able to resurrect the disc drive for 5 1/4 on windows based 
machine 
but the rest is something else.

Any suggestions, please?

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Re: [discuss] What do you prefer - one large dialog or a Wizard approach?

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Wizards seem to be the way to go.

However, I am wondering about bundling too much together.  There have been 
numerous requests to be able to download just certain sections, say Writer and 
Calc.  (I think that M$ has bundled tings together and that is one of its main 
drawbacks).  Maybe a Wizard that works on OOo but can be left out of the system 
once all work is done or if not required.

One of the original suites that I worked with was DOS Symphony.  It did a lot 
but 
boy did you have to know a lot on where to find the stuff.  Wizards help to 
Keep It 
Simple Stupid (KISS) for most of us.

Some ramblings, again too close to supper.

Chris

> I am currently trying to design a template and add-on installer for
> OpenOffice.org (OOo).
> 
> My current design has quite a few controls (as outlined below). Which
> do you prefer (and preferably why) one large dialog or a wizard
> approach?
> 
> The way I envisage this working is a dialog is displayed with the
> following controls: A button to download info. on templates and
> add-ons available to be installed. And another button to download
> rating information.
> 
> Controls for specifying filter criteria - to narrow the range of
> templates and add-ons displayed:
> Templates/Addons, already installed (i.e. check for updates),
> component type, Author Name, description, and keywords Stage (not
> checked, checked for malicious content, checked for appropriateness of
> purpose), Min version, Min average rating, Min number of ratings Can
> run on the machine's OS, Min OOo version, requirements (Java, Python).
> 
> Other controls:
> 
> A list box showing the templates/add-ons that match criteria.
> A text box showing the details of the currently selected item in the
> list box.
> 
> A button for customising what fields are displayed in the list box and
> the adjacent text box.
> 
> A button for displaying a "Rate it" dialog.
> A button for displaying a text document containing the reviews to date
> A button for taking you to the home page for the item.
> 
> Buttons for adding/removing items to/from "To Install list"
> An Install list
> 
> A checkbox for compiling a Writer document with documentation for the
> To install list"
> 
> An install button.
> A cancel button
> 
> In spite of this being a lot of controls my personal preference is for
> one large dialog. BUT, from reading these discussions some people
> (unbelievable to me) find the OOo Options dialog too confusing so how
> would they respond to a dialog with this many controls? On the other
> hand only seeing some information at a time can also be confusing.
> 
> Thus I am seeking guidance as to what people prefer - one large dialog
> or splitting the controls up into pages (the Wizard approach).
> 
> Thanks, Ian Laurenson
> 
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Re: [discuss] T-Shirts to generate donations

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I am not sure that I would buy a T-shirt.
However, I might buy a small promo package to give out, about $10 plus 
shipping.  
The promo package might contain some brochures, stickers, pens or key chains or 
even a master CD (with other stuff besides OOo) to copy and give out.

I donna know, too close to supper time

Chris

> I'd really suggest that you sell 'Open Office' t-shirts as a way for
> you to generate donations. So add like an extra $10 or $20 onto the
> back of the price of the t-shirt. This has two benefits ... 1. People
> are more willing to donate money as they get a little something back
> in return - as well as supporting a great software product. 2. People
> wear the t-shirts and your software product gets advertisement ... for
> free
> 
> Let me know if you decide to do it, or if you've already implemented
> the idea and I've just missed it. The Apache organisation does the
> same thing - I never claimed originality!! See ...
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html#BuyJinx
> 
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> 
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Re: [discuss] Re: Why No Database

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The database that is to be there, from what I understand, is a relational 
database.
Most of these are really not needed by us ordinary folk, or are very difficult 
to learn 
by us'n ordinary folk.  Is an unrelational database as difficult to learn?  Or 
is the best 
way to go is just the spreadsheet flat file?

Chris

> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:46:56 +0100, Harald Schilly wrote:
> 
> >> How come you guys haven't included a database management system in
> >> OpenOffice.  ...
> > 
> > efforts are underway, have a look:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/ooo19/base/index.html
> > 
> > harald
> 
> When is OOo 2.0 estemated?
> 
> 
> Morgan O.
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Re: [discuss] Re: Why No Database

[Chris BONDE]

That helps.
I shall await.
Meantime back to writer to learn more stuff.  Still fretting with styles.

Now where is that document that tells me everything what I donot understand.

Chris

> Chris BONDE wrote:
> > The database that is to be there, from what I understand, is a
> > relational database. Most of these are really not needed by us
> > ordinary folk, or are very difficult to learn by us'n ordinary folk.
> >  Is an unrelational database as difficult to learn?  Or is the best
> > way to go is just the spreadsheet flat file?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Don't stress, the one that's included is actually pretty
> straightfoward and not difficult at all.  Definitely at the same level
> of ease as a spreadsheet flat file if that helps.
> 
> :)
> 
> Regards and best wishes,
> 
> Justin Clift
> 
> 
> > Chris
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Re: [discuss] Re: New features

[Chris BONDE]

Where did you find it please?

Chris

> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Rod Engelsman wrote:
> [...]
> > You can have linked text frames in Writer. Is this what you mean?
> [...]
> 
> Yes!  I just checked it out in OOo 1.1.2 on OS X and that's it.  It's
> what I consider to be an sessential feature of writing newsletters or
> brochures.
> 
> Thanks.  I wouldn't have found that feature without Ray bringing it up
> or your reply.
> 
> -Lars
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Re: [discuss] 2.0 Beta Quickstart Tray Icon

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I have a number of things running in the background.  At times I would like to 
stop 
them.  Why have things running when you might not use them for some time?

I deleted the QuickStart.  It did not start that much faster than ordinarily.  
I generally 
have enough time to do a couple of things while programs are starting up.  
Heck, I 
pay just about CA$19.month for 300hr dialup.  Lots of time there. 

So, being able to choose what is running, to  me is an advantage.

Chris

> I am in agreement with the vote that says that if the starter isn't
> serving an interactive purpose then there is no reason to have it
> registered in the system tray or otherwise. It can run as a TSR or a
> DLL service without being displayed on the system tray.
> 
> Windows services run in the background all all the time. Have you seen
> all the "processes" running under windows XP? Dozens! That means they
> must have developed some simple code to insert into the component
> somewhere... Hmm.
> 
>  Rigel
> 
> Mathias Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anton Danilov wrote:
> 
> > That's quite reasonable, but then there must be an option to hide
> > the icon (while running the software in the background), because
> > useless or undesired icons can be quite annoying.
> 
> But then how can you unload the application if you haven't any icon
> available?
> 
> So I assume that you just want to hide it temporarily and have some
> means to show it again when you need ist. Then you should use a clever
> desktop that does that for you (like the Win XP desktop), because
> that's the place where such things should be handled. There's no point
> in implementing this for a single application.
> 
> Best regards,
> Mathias
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[discuss] Find & Replace

[Chris BONDE]

I thought that I could find how to do this but could not.
Is there documentation on what to use for non-printing characters?

There were some comments on finding the end of a para but I did not note.
Into finished now the question:

I have been importing some *.doc files.  Then there are a lot of different 
formating 
styles that appear and need changing.  Underlining, tabs, abbreviations. Best 
solutions?

For underlining I highlight the whole selection, click on underline once (to 
underline 
everything) then twice (to remove all underlining).

For tabs I have to find then DELETE each one, then replace with a space.  Is 
there 
a way to do with such FIND and REPLACE?  I could not find.

Next, is the removal of periods after CAPS for abbreviations.  Such as F. R.  
I need to change to   F R  (say for Find & Replace)  or  T. M. C.  to T M C.

Suggestions please and point to where a list of non-printing characters is.

Chris

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Re: [discuss] COMMENTS FROM A NEW USER OF OPENOFFICE

[Chris BONDE]

MultiClip Board?

What I used in one place to radically change my text was to open two screens of 
the 
same document (have not tried in OOo) then clip from one screen insert in the 
second.  It worked like a hot darn.

Someone suggested Clipomatic  at  http://www.mlin.net

Chris

> To OpenOffice Community
> 
> I have been using OpenOffice for about three weeks now, and am
> delighted to continue - it is an important up-to-date alternative to
> Microsoft's WORD.
> 
> Congratulations!
> 
> Two comments:
> 
> I do hope that you will soon be able to add a multiclipboard , which I
> have used a lot in WORD.
> 
> My only other comment is that I do find its arrangements to produce an
> Envelope less efficient and quick. Eg it does not seem to offer a
> standard E6 size in addition to DL etc. Also each time I wanted to
> make some alteration to my choice for printing an envelope, I seemed
> to have to start all over again.
> 
> All best wishes
> 
> Yours faithfully
> 
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Re: [discuss] Re: 3D/4D with Base, or is there something else?

[Chris BONDE]

I was about the same way.  Not knowing the modern database I did not answer.
However, what you are describing is something similar to the 
ARRAY(x,y,z,x1,y1,z1,...xn,yn,zn)  or any other way you would like to 
describe 
the subscripts.  But, it allows only one value after using all the subscripts.  
BUT you 
can build one array that will have for colour that has a subscript value to go 
to the 
next array.

Might become complex.

Chris

> Jacob,
> 
> First of all, I want to say, "Damn you!". I was just about ready
> to 
> turn in for the night when I read your post. Now you got me thinking
> and I'm going to be up later than I wanted.  :)
> 
> My suggestion: If you want 6 dimensions, you should have 7 tables.
> 
> One each that is a simple list of the possible attributes along that
> dimension, e.g. Make Dimension: Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, Toyota, etc.
> Color Dimension: Blue, Red, Silver, etc. Then your seventh table will
> simply have 6 columns with tuples for each combination that exists --
> the boolean ones. .
> 
> Where it gets interesting is when you want to display the data in
> tables. Especially if that is supposed to be interactive.
> 
> I would suggest you look at a browser-based approach. Probably
> PHP, 
> but I know very little about that. You would want to construct a
> program that would loop over the x,y that you chose and construct a
> table with X's in the cells that would contain boolean ones. The X's
> would actually be hyperlinks to start the process over again with
> different query criteria.
> 
> I can vaguely imagine how you could do something like this, but I
> don't know the actual tools well enough to do it myself. You could
> also program something like this from scratch, but I believe a
> PHP/browser approach would give you faster results easier. In any
> case, the display/selection bit is probably beyond what you can do
> with off-the-shelf database form/table tools. Although you could
> easily set up the forms to input the data I suppose. That could save
> you some work.
> 
> Hope this helps. Interesting problem -- check back here, I would
> like to hear what you come up with.
> 
> Rod
> 
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Re: [discuss] Note Taking in an Office Suite

[Chris BONDE]

>From what I read, you have found a way to utilize OOo to do similar as KeyNote 
etc.
Is this correct?  If so how do you do it?

Chris

> http://www.tranglos.com/free/ - Here's a link to the screenshots if
> anyone wants them. I love this program Simon, but I've found that it
> just doesn't meet my needs anymroe. Since I work primarily at home I
> can take the time out to organize things carefuly as I go. But before
> when my mind was constantly scattered, KeyNote was my savior.
> 
> Sadly. All things pass, and my immense use of KeyNote gradualy
> dissipated as I found ways to better integrate the foundational
> aspects of OpenOffice to give me a more rounded result, and more
> manageable system of tracking my information.
> 
> Rigel
> 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I've been using OpenOffice.org since slightly after its 1.0 release
> (so, I think that would be around the end of 2002) both as a student
> and as a writer. I have, to echo the general consensus, enjoyed the
> product thoroughly. OOo 2.0 solidifies that totally for me; the beta
> shows a very well-rounded product that will be more intuitive for
> newer users (IMO, anyway). To get to the point, I'm wondering if I can
> make quite a large suggestion for the future of OOo (2.5, 3.0 onward)
> for the incorporation of another office suite-style application. My
> top three open-source programs (as far as usage goes) are Firefox, OOo
> and KeyNote-- all of which I use constantly on a daily basis. My
> problem stems from the fact that whilst Firefox and OOo are all on
> Linux (which I'm planning on switching full-time on to), KeyNote is
> only on Windows. [BTW, I'm talking about the open-source program
> called KeyNote at http://www.tranglos.com/free/keynote.html, not the
> Apple presentation software]. Basically, the software is a
> three-paned, tabbed, tree-based notepad for taking lots of notes that
> need to be organized in a very structural way; something which word
> processors just can't do. For research (both as a writer and as a
> student), I find it second-to-none.
> 
> I don't believe software like this (maybe OneNote comes slightly
> close) has been incorporated into Office software yet, and I think
> this is OOo's chance to add a another program into the stable of what
> an office suite is. And, from what very little I know about software
> development, I believe most of the capabilities are already within
> OOo; they are just not structured in this way.
> 
> Well, sorry for posting a long one and keep up the good work.
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Re: [discuss] User Manual

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I have done some documentation for Main Frame computers, that is awhile back.
I have written some very formal documents, again awhile back.
My English is Canadian (the people who translate for the British and Americans)
I donot know how I would be able to help but I am planning on checking things 
out 
and offering my help.

Chris

> Hello Gene,
> 
> Yes, actually, we have a team working on a manual, and we need YOUR
> help. This is the OOoAuthors project. Take a look at our site:
> 
> http://oooauthors.org
> 
> Please make a login and take a look around.
> 
> I strongly encourage you to join our team and work on the suer guide.
> The OOoAuthors team is very active, friendly and positive. You'll
> enjoy working with us.
> 
> Right now we have a user guide for OOo 1.x and we are working on a
> user guide for OOo 2.0. This is a lot of work, and we definitely need
> you to help out. We actually have separate guides for each major
> component (Writer, Calc, etc) that we're working on.
> 
> The people in the CC line (Jean and Janet) are our editors. Janet is
> the editor for the Writer Guide. Jean is the editor for the other
> guides, as well as the chief editor for OOoAuthors.
> 
> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
> 
> Welcome aboard!
> 
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:40:48PM -0800, Gene McGuire wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > I would like to prepare a user manual of this outstanding product. 
> > This manual could be distributed with the software in printed form
> > or as a PDF.  I have tried to figure how to use the help files but
> > that would entail retyping reams of information.  If there were a
> > way to get this info out I would like to offer my services to create
> > such a manual. For clarity I feel that some topics may require
> > graphics which I would provide.
> > 
> > Someone is probably already working on this but if not I am
> > available to assist.  It should be understood that any document I
> > would prepare would not be released until approved by the
> > appropriate office.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Gene McGuire
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