Re: [discuss] WSJ The $100 Laptop
I've run it with 128 MB on a 133 MHz PII, but that was under Debian and RedHat. It was slow, but acceptable for my parts. It was also OOo 1.1 The MIT $100 Laptop will be very important. Whether OOo runs on it poorly, tolerably or quite well will make a big difference in the future of OOo. And probably StarOffice, too. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents endanger the legal certainty of software. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, M. Fioretti wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 09:44:02 AM -, Alexandro Colorado ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:07:50 -, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is OOo2 likely to run comfortably on those specs? Or will it need to be pared down and streamlined for OOo3 first? Many people had run OOo on 64Mb of Ram. So no worries about this. You're kidding right? OOo is really slow with twice that RAM. Ciao, Marco - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If they have a decent linux distro they would be able to run Abiword or other faster word processors anyway so is not like people will get locked out. On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:06:22 -, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've run it with 128 MB on a 133 MHz PII, but that was under Debian and RedHat. It was slow, but acceptable for my parts. It was also OOo 1.1 The MIT $100 Laptop will be very important. Whether OOo runs on it poorly, tolerably or quite well will make a big difference in the future of OOo. And probably StarOffice, too. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents endanger the legal certainty of software. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, M. Fioretti wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 09:44:02 AM -, Alexandro Colorado ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:07:50 -, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is OOo2 likely to run comfortably on those specs? Or will it need to be pared down and streamlined for OOo3 first? Many people had run OOo on 64Mb of Ram. So no worries about this. You're kidding right? OOo is really slow with twice that RAM. Ciao, Marco -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 11/16/05, M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 09:44:02 AM -, Alexandro Colorado ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Many people had run OOo on 64Mb of Ram. So no worries about this. You're kidding right? OOo is really slow with twice that RAM. It is slow, yes, but it works. I've run WIndows XP with OOo on a 200 Mhz PC with 64 MB of RAM. It just took a long time opening. I did end up adding another 64 MB of RAM as soon as I was able to. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
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On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 11:18 +, Alexandro Colorado wrote: If they have a decent linux distro they would be able to run Abiword or other faster word processors anyway so is not like people will get locked out. This is a very good reason why OOo30 should be focussed on making the code more efficient. There is a massive potential market in low cost devices waiting to be tapped. Microsoft have traditionally taken the view that you just upgrade the hardware and hang the expense - they sell another OS too on that strategy. Either that or you have a crippled subset of the facilites on a palmtop. If OOo could run well on 64 meg devices costing under $100 that would be a disruptive technology enfranchising a stack of users who currently can't afford to buy into a total technology solution costing $500. -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMSL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Then again, many drawing and database programs are available at a relative small size. Scribus might be a bit too big, but inkscape/sodipodi are small enough. This are not small by any means, averaging 10mb, but they are smaller even all of this put together. On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:56:09 -, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Alexandro Colorado wrote: If they have a decent linux distro they would be able to run Abiword or other faster word processors anyway so is not like people will get locked out. Abiword/Kword and Gnumeric were actually my first thoughts and are certainly smaller and faster. I can see advantages of not giving tobacco, alcohol and presentation graphics to kids ;) but 'draw' and 'base' are useful. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents endanger the legal certainty of software. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 13:29 +, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Then again, many drawing and database programs are available at a relative small size. Scribus might be a bit too big, but inkscape/sodipodi are small enough. This are not small by any means, averaging 10mb, but they are smaller even all of this put together. Use Xara on Linux now its being Open Sourced. Its the fastest vector graphics tool of professional quality out there. Its a pity it could not be integrated with OOo in place of Draw, that would have made the graphic illustration side of OOo superior to anything the competition can muster. (There is the added problem that its only being open sourced on Mac and Linux) This is a downside of monolithic applications. It fundamentally mitigates against mix and match of the best tools. Open Communication standards between applications and open data standards are important for the very reason that they enable more choice and competition to improve the technology. It will take time but ODF has the potential to create the environment for that sort of progress. -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMSL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Ian Lynch wrote: Use Xara on Linux now its being Open Sourced. Its the fastest vector graphics tool of professional quality out there. Taking a guess at which package you mean I found a web site talking about being in the very early stages of begining to port to Linux and OS X: http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ Can you say more about the timeline? Its a pity it could not be integrated with OOo in place of Draw, that would have made the graphic illustration side of OOo superior to anything the competition can muster. ... Maybe that could be a step in making OOo more modular. OOo 3 - smaller, faster OOo 4 - modular -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents endanger the legal certainty of software. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ian Lynch wrote: Use Xara on Linux now its being Open Sourced. Its the fastest vector Xara is Open Source, but is very far from a working version on Linux. graphics tool of professional quality out there. Its a pity it could not Indeed, their renderer is very fast. Some people at Inkscape are evaluating if it possible to use the Xara renderer inside Inkscape instead or in addition of the current renderer or maybe in addition to Cairo. be integrated with OOo in place of Draw, that would have made the graphic illustration side of OOo superior to anything the competition can muster. (There is the added problem that its only being open sourced on Mac and Linux) This is a downside of monolithic applications. It There is no added problem: Xara is GPL. They plan to bundle the Windows binary with 3-rd party addons, documentation and other extras and sell it as a boxed set, but it will be possible to build the code for Windows and have your own binary. A real difficulty for integration would be file formats, as Xara does not use and does not plan to use OpenDocument Format and the widget set (WXWidgets for Xara) fundamentally mitigates against mix and match of the best tools. Open Communication standards between applications and open data standards are important for the very reason that they enable more choice and competition to improve the technology. It will take time but ODF has the potential to create the environment for that sort of progress. -- nicu my OpenOffice.org pages: http://ooo.nicubunu.ro Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 16:24 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Ian Lynch wrote: Use Xara on Linux now its being Open Sourced. Its the fastest vector Xara is Open Source, but is very far from a working version on Linux. We got it to open :-) be integrated with OOo in place of Draw, that would have made the graphic illustration side of OOo superior to anything the competition can muster. (There is the added problem that its only being open sourced on Mac and Linux) This is a downside of monolithic applications. It A real difficulty for integration would be file formats, as Xara does not use and does not plan to use OpenDocument Format and the widget set (WXWidgets for Xara) Sounds like a good project for OD Fellowship. An ODF to and from Xara filter. I would have thought that integrating Xara with OOo would be a lot of work because Impress is totally dependent on the existing Draw engine so not only would you have to replace draw but also Impress. I'm guessing integration with Uno would also not be straightforward. -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMSL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ian Lynch wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 16:24 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: A real difficulty for integration would be file formats, as Xara does not use and does not plan to use OpenDocument Format and the widget set (WXWidgets for Xara) Sounds like a good project for OD Fellowship. An ODF to and from Xara filter. I would have thought that integrating Xara with OOo would be a lot of work because Impress is totally dependent on the existing Draw engine so not only would you have to replace draw but also Impress. I'm guessing integration with Uno would also not be straightforward. Xara is sponsoring the ÜberConverter project, which aim to be a universal vector graphics file converter: http://scratchcomputing.com/projects/uber-converter/ OpenDocument define file formats for vector graphics, having them supported by the ÜberConverter could enable import/export for a large number of applications (this is the kind of thing we are waiting for at Inkscape to import/export ODF) -- nicu my OpenOffice.org pages: http://ooo.nicubunu.ro Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 06:06:22 AM -0500, Lars D. Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've run it with 128 MB on a 133 MHz PII, but that was under Debian and RedHat. It was slow, but acceptable for my parts. It was also OOo 1.1 Here, running 2.0 on 192 MB Ram and Fedora is still too slow. And I mean slow *during* usage, not just to start up. This is an important point that too often goes silenced by all the talks of how MS Office is (pre) loaded faster, how OO.o start up can be improved on Linux etc... The MIT $100 Laptop will be very important. Whether OOo runs on it poorly, tolerably or quite well will make a big difference in the future of OOo. And probably StarOffice, too. I agree. Especially if KOffice support for OpenDocument (performance is already much better) keeps improving... Ciao, Marco -- Marco Fiorettimfioretti, at the server mclink.it Fedora Core 3 for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/ Life is what happens whilst you're busy making other plans (John Lennon) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Is OOo2 likely to run comfortably on those specs? Or will it need to be pared down and streamlined for OOo3 first? -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:07:50 -, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is OOo2 likely to run comfortably on those specs? Or will it need to be pared down and streamlined for OOo3 first? Many people had run OOo on 64Mb of Ram. So no worries about this. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:44, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:07:50 -, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is OOo2 likely to run comfortably on those specs? Or will it need to be pared down and streamlined for OOo3 first? Many people had run OOo on 64Mb of Ram. So no worries about this. The OO.org site advises using the OO.org 1.0.3.1 release for computers with only 64 MB of RAM. I've tried to run OO.org 1.1.5 on an MS Win95 box with as much memory, and I appreciate the advice. Wesley Parish -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Rei Shinozuka wrote: i saw this in the WSJ, this project has been going on for some time, but this was the first i had heard about it. wonder what they will use for word processing and spreadsheets? Hard to say without seeing the specs for this computer, but is possible for OOo to be too fat for it, as is possible as well to be good enough or its users to be willing to trade speed for features. Anyway, the computer will be based on Free software and Linux, so the choices are: OpenOffice.org, GNOME Office and KOffice, any of them should be fine and able to interchange files with the others. -- nicu my OpenOffice.org pages: http://ooo.nicubunu.ro Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And of course, Bill Gates will subsidize the first 640 KB of RAM! ;) On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:16, Rei Shinozuka wrote: i saw this in the WSJ, this project has been going on for some time, but this was the first i had heard about it. wonder what they will use for word processing and spreadsheets? --- The $100 Laptop Moves Closer to Reality By STEVE STECKLOW Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL November 14, 2005; Page B1 A novel plan to develop a $100 laptop computer for distribution to millions of schoolchildren in developing countries has caught the interest of governments and the attention of computer-industry heavyweights. First announced in January by Nicholas Negroponte, the founding chairman of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Media Lab, the initiative appears to be gaining steam. Mr. Negroponte is scheduled to demonstrate a working prototype of the device with United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan on Wednesday at a U.N. technology conference in Tunisia. Mr. Negroponte and other backers say they have held discussions with at least two dozen countries about purchasing the laptops and that Brazil and Thailand have expressed the most interest so far. In addition, Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney recently proposed spending $54 million to buy one of the laptops for every student in middle school and high school in his state. [Design Continuum's prototype of a $100 laptop with hand crank, for students in developing countries.] Design Continuum's prototype of a $100 laptop with hand crank, for students in developing countries. Although no contracts with governments have been signed, Mr. Negroponte says current plans call for producing five to ten million units beginning in late 2006 or early 2007, with tens of millions more a year later. Five companies -- Google Inc., Advanced Micro Devices Inc., Red Hat Inc., News Corp. and Brightstar Corp. -- have each provided $2 million to fund a nonprofit organization called One Laptop Per Child that was set up to oversee the project. Mr. Negroponte says five companies are bidding to make the laptop, although he declined to name them. Mr. Negroponte remains eager to place the laptop in the hands of 100 to 150 million students. He says he has learned in educational projects in Cambodia and other developing countries that computers spur children to learn and explore outside the boundaries of a classroom, and share their discoveries with their families. I do not think of them only in classrooms, but part of an integrated and seamless experience for kids and their families, he says. Still, the project would require governments in the developing world to come up with $15 billion to supply 150 million laptops, and it isn't yet clear how many countries can afford even a $100 machine. Technical hurdles also remain. The device that will be shown in Tunisia is still an early version; Mr. Negroponte says the screen alone will require another three months of development. The designers also have yet to bring the overall price down to $100, although they say they are getting close. Even if the first ones are $118.50, as long as subsequent machines are less and less expensive, that is what counts, Mr. Negroponte says. Major computer industry players appear to be taking the venture seriously, including companies like Microsoft Corp. that aren't yet participating. Microsoft could be confronting a laptop that could become a standard in the developing world -- one that, for now, would come without its dominant Windows software. Mr. Negroponte discussed the project last week with Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates and Craig Mundie, chief technical officer of advanced strategies and policy. We're in serious discussions to determine what the appropriate type of involvement is with us with their project, says Mr. Mundie. Steve Jobs, Apple Computer Inc.'s chief executive, offered to provide free copies of the company's operating system, OS X, for the machine, according to Seymour Papert, a professor emeritus at MIT who is one of the initiative's founders. We declined because it's not open source, says Dr. Papert, noting the designers want an operating system that can be tinkered with. An Apple spokesman declined to comment. Under present plans, the first production version of the laptop will be powered by an AMD microprocessor and use an open-source Linux-based operating system supplied by Red Hat. Open-source software is not patent protected and can be copied for free. To get the price down, an eight-inch diagonal screen -- smaller than standard notebook computers -- will run in two modes, with a high-resolution monochrome mode for word processing and a lower-resolution color mode for Internet surfing. It will be powered by both a power adapter, if electricity is available, or through a wind-up mechanism. The device will have wireless capabilities and can network with
