RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Dusty Hale]

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who offered advice and suggestions
related to this topic of doing CF on MAC. I am making plans now to purchase
a MacBook Pro and also decided to purchase the lease on the dell gear I have
which also included licensed versions of the CS2 web bundle double suite.
Adobe will upgrade me to the CS3 Master suite for $1390 under the Windows
version then I have to get a platform change on that license which will only
cost the price of shipping. During the transition, I still have the Dell
notebook to get me by if I get in trouble with the MAC. So that's the plan.
 
Thanks again to all.
 
Dusty

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Being in a stereotypical corporate environment, I have to use a Windows
machine at work but I've used nothing but Macs at home for years. There is
nothing I can't do on my Mac that I can't do on my Windows PC, though as
some have mentioned there are some things in a corporate world that are a
little more efficiently geared towards Windows. 

Here are some of the things I use daily on my Mac for development and
work-a-day activities:

*   Eclipse with Flex Builder, CFEclipse, Adobe's ColdFusion extensions
and various other plug-ins. 

*   TextMate (my programmers text editor of choice). BBEdit,
TextWrangler (a free editor by the makers of BBEdit), and Smultron are also
good. 

*   ColdFusion 8. Since Mac OSX has Apache built-in, I was able to
integrate CF with it fairly easily. 

*   Cisco VPN (for connecting to work). I also use Shimo, a fantastic
free front-end for Cisco VPN that makes connecting/disconnecting a breeze. 

*   Microsoft Office, in particular Entourage for working with Exchange.


*   Remote Desktop Connection (Microsoft's RDP client). 

*   Terminal (OSX's command-line). 

*   Safari, Firefox, and Opera for testing. 

*   Aqua Data Studio (I use this versus Microsoft's Enterprise Manager
and Oracle's tools) 

*   MySQL (for occasional light-weight projects, otherwise I use SQL
Server on our development servers at work) 

*   CSSEdit (a great shareware CSS editor) 

*   Plaxo (a great free service that I have installed on both my
Exchange calendars and contacts in sync with my home's Address Book and iCal
programs). 

*   X-Mind or Freemind (for the occasional mindmap). 

*   OmniGraffle (similar to Visio, but in my opinion produces nicer
looking results). 

*   Snapz Pro X (I mainly use it for making demos). 

*   Yummy FTP (my FTP client of choice, though there are a ton of great
FTP clients for OSX). 

*   Adobe Creative Suite.

Some of the above is commercial, some shareware, and some freeware. The most
expensive items were Microsoft Office, Adobe's Creative Suite, and Aqua Data
Studio. Most others are either free or I got through shareware bundles from
macheist.com or macupdate.com. Flex Builder 3 licenses are fully
cross-platform now, greatly simplifying things there. Hope this helps some.

Kevin

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Kevin Ford]

Being in a stereotypical corporate environment, I have to use a Windows
machine at work but I've used nothing but Macs at home for years. There is
nothing I can't do on my Mac that I can't do on my Windows PC, though as
some have mentioned there are some things in a corporate world that are a
little more efficiently geared towards Windows.
Here are some of the things I use daily on my Mac for development and
work-a-day activities:

   - Eclipse with Flex Builder, CFEclipse, Adobe's ColdFusion extensions
   and various other plug-ins.
   - TextMate (my programmers text editor of choice). BBEdit,
   TextWrangler (a free editor by the makers of BBEdit), and Smultron are also
   good.
   - ColdFusion 8. Since Mac OSX has Apache built-in, I was able to
   integrate CF with it fairly easily.
   - Cisco VPN (for connecting to work). I also use Shimo, a fantastic
   free front-end for Cisco VPN that makes connecting/disconnecting a breeze.
   - Microsoft Office, in particular Entourage for working with Exchange.
   - Remote Desktop Connection (Microsoft's RDP client).
   - Terminal (OSX's command-line).
   - Safari, Firefox, and Opera for testing.
   - Aqua Data Studio (I use this versus Microsoft's Enterprise Manager
   and Oracle's tools)
   - MySQL (for occasional light-weight projects, otherwise I use SQL
   Server on our development servers at work)
   - CSSEdit (a great shareware CSS editor)
   - Plaxo (a great free service that I have installed on both my
   Exchange calendars and contacts in sync with my home's Address Book and iCal
   programs).
   - X-Mind or Freemind (for the occasional mindmap).
   - OmniGraffle (similar to Visio, but in my opinion produces nicer
   looking results).
   - Snapz Pro X (I mainly use it for making demos).
   - Yummy FTP (my FTP client of choice, though there are a ton of great
   FTP clients for OSX).
   - Adobe Creative Suite.

Some of the above is commercial, some shareware, and some freeware. The most
expensive items were Microsoft Office, Adobe's Creative Suite, and Aqua Data
Studio. Most others are either free or I got through shareware bundles from
macheist.com or macupdate.com. Flex Builder 3 licenses are fully
cross-platform now, greatly simplifying things there. Hope this helps some.

Kevin



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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Robert Occhialini Jr.]

I've been reading this thread with some amusement.   I have used a Mac  
OS X machine for CF development for a very long time.


There's absolutely no reason why you can't use a Mac OS X machine as  
your primary CF development machine.  Your mileage might vary a  
little, as Howard pointed out, depending on the environment that you  
are developing for.  I've actually had better experiences developing  
on my Mac OS X machine for Linux deployments than I have had on  
Windows machines for those same deployments.


What will you miss?  In my experience, not very much.   You will,  
however pay a price of efficiency while learning your new desktop  
setup.  Aside form that, there's not much of a difference between the  
two now for development, aside from the fact that my Mac OS X machine  
asks me for permission to do something about 1/10 the amount of times  
that Vista does.


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Darin Kohles]

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On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I bought a laptop stand and use my 17" macbook pro with a wireless keyboard
> and mouse. No complaints here. 17" is plenty big enough for hacking out CF
> etc. It would be nice to have a 20+ inch widescreen but, honestly who needs
> dual monitors with a desktop manager?
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Howard Fore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes but the dual monitor support on most non-Apple laptops comes through a
> docking station. At least that's how I've done it on the last three Windows
> laptops I've used (Dell, HP, IBM). The docking station had both VGA and DVI
> and the video chipset would support driving both (although not the built-in
> screen as well :-( ). In the Mac world Bo0okEndz is the only docking station
> I know of. They do have both VGA and DVI on their docks but the manual is
> mum on whether or not you can drive two monitors with it.
> >
> >
> > Honestly I don't miss it at home though. I've got a 20 widescreen Dell
> 2005FPW and the 17 inch display in the PowerBook (still rockin' the OG
> PowerPC) and have my PowerBook setup so that it's at roughly the same
> viewing height when it's on the desk (which isn't really that often). At
> work (Windows-world) the two monitors are non-widescreen 17 inchers.
> >
> >
> > Howard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Derrick Peavy
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hm.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok, I see. Wasn't thinking that way. Yes, the laptops can mirror to any
> size display, but there is only one video out port, so you would have to
> split. Isn't that the case with --most-- laptops?  Looks like the thread has
> some good info about how the hardware works and what is does/does not do. My
> bad.
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Steven Ross]

I bought a laptop stand and use my 17" macbook pro with a wireless keyboard
and mouse. No complaints here. 17" is plenty big enough for hacking out CF
etc. It would be nice to have a 20+ inch widescreen but, honestly who needs
dual monitors with a desktop manager?

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Howard Fore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes but the dual monitor support on most non-Apple laptops comes through a
> docking station. At least that's how I've done it on the last three Windows
> laptops I've used (Dell, HP, IBM). The docking station had both VGA and DVI
> and the video chipset would support driving both (although not the built-in
> screen as well :-( ). In the Mac world Bo0okEndz is the only docking station
> I know of. They do have both VGA and DVI on their docks but the manual is
> mum on whether or not you can drive two monitors with it.
> Honestly I don't miss it at home though. I've got a 20 widescreen Dell
> 2005FPW and the 17 inch display in the PowerBook (still rockin' the OG
> PowerPC) and have my PowerBook setup so that it's at roughly the same
> viewing height when it's on the desk (which isn't really that often). At
> work (Windows-world) the two monitors are non-widescreen 17 inchers.
>
> Howard
>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Derrick Peavy <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hm.
> > Ok, I see. Wasn't thinking that way. Yes, the laptops can mirror to any
> > size display, but there is only one video out port, so you would have to
> > split. Isn't that the case with --most-- laptops?  Looks like the thread has
> > some good info about how the hardware works and what is does/does not do. My
> > bad.
> >
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Howard Fore]

Yes but the dual monitor support on most non-Apple laptops comes through a
docking station. At least that's how I've done it on the last three Windows
laptops I've used (Dell, HP, IBM). The docking station had both VGA and DVI
and the video chipset would support driving both (although not the built-in
screen as well :-( ). In the Mac world Bo0okEndz is the only docking station
I know of. They do have both VGA and DVI on their docks but the manual is
mum on whether or not you can drive two monitors with it.
Honestly I don't miss it at home though. I've got a 20 widescreen Dell
2005FPW and the 17 inch display in the PowerBook (still rockin' the OG
PowerPC) and have my PowerBook setup so that it's at roughly the same
viewing height when it's on the desk (which isn't really that often). At
work (Windows-world) the two monitors are non-widescreen 17 inchers.

Howard

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hm.
> Ok, I see. Wasn't thinking that way. Yes, the laptops can mirror to any
> size display, but there is only one video out port, so you would have to
> split. Isn't that the case with --most-- laptops?  Looks like the thread has
> some good info about how the hardware works and what is does/does not do. My
> bad.
>
>
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Derrick Peavy]

Hm.

Ok, I see. Wasn't thinking that way. Yes, the laptops can mirror to  
any size display, but there is only one video out port, so you would  
have to split. Isn't that the case with --most-- laptops?  Looks like  
the thread has some good info about how the hardware works and what  
is does/does not do. My bad.




Matrox's Dual Head 2 Go product will work on a MacBook Pro just  
fine. You need to use the included DVI to VGA adaptor, then plug  
the Matrox box into that, then plug your monitors into the Matrox box.


With their digital (DVI) version, you can even run two Apple 23"  
displays off it. (Or any pair of DVI monitors with a resolution up  
to 1920x1200 each.)


With the analog version, it can run two monitors of up to 1280x1024  
each. (A 17-19" LCD, or a 17" CRT.)




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On Apr 12, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Douglas Knudsen wrote:

ha!  a non-mac d00d clearly.  been a C64, Amiga, to PC guy.  I know  
the mac desktops do dualies and far more certainly!  But I am  
speaking to the lappies.  Sure, a external monitor and the internal  
one is cool and all, but I'm talking of two equal sized external ones.


http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=269658  thread  
discussing this...speaks of the HW Howard mentioned .


DK

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Derrick Peavy  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

OMfG! Who wrote this?

mac have been doing dual monitors since the early 90's. Since the  
late 90's without external hardware.



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On Apr 11, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Douglas Knudsen wrote:

Thing I'd miss is dual monitor support. The dell I have has a dock
with dual outs for actual dual monitors. Mac?   Though I suppose with
the dropping LCD prices this maybe moot soon.



On 4/11/08, Howard Fore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dusty,
The only thing you'll really miss is SQL Server. Everything else  
that you
will use will either have a Mac install or there will be a Mac  
program that
does the same thing. I use Windows for CF development at work and  
at home I
use Macs for my freelance development. I use Eclipse as my IDE so  
that's the
same on both sides. Database work is the only fly in the  
ointment. I do miss
Beyond Compare on the Mac but there are some Mac programs  
(DeltaWalker and

Araxis Merge) that are supposed to as good though I haven't tried an
extensive review.

Howard

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



 OK this is probably a good question for Dean!

I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the  
creative
aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have  
moved to Mac

and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:

If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and
Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the  
VMWare on
Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running  
on my pc
under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have  
will run

on

the Mac OS (I have to check on that).

I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all  
the great
new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or  
Windows or if

the
software package will install on either. I am hoping  
either :-) ... I am
researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any  
one has

time.


Thanks,

Dusty

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Douglas Knudsen]

ha!  a non-mac d00d clearly.  been a C64, Amiga, to PC guy.  I know the mac
desktops do dualies and far more certainly!  But I am speaking to the
lappies.  Sure, a external monitor and the internal one is cool and all, but
I'm talking of two equal sized external ones.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=269658  thread discussing
this...speaks of the HW Howard mentioned .

DK

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Derrick Peavy <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OMfG! Who wrote this?
>
> mac have been doing dual monitors since the early 90's. Since the late
> 90's without external hardware.
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> On Apr 11, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Douglas Knudsen wrote:
>
> Thing I'd miss is dual monitor support. The dell I have has a dock
> with dual outs for actual dual monitors. Mac?   Though I suppose with
> the dropping LCD prices this maybe moot soon.
>
>
>
> On 4/11/08, Howard Fore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dusty,
> The only thing you'll really miss is SQL Server. Everything else that you
> will use will either have a Mac install or there will be a Mac program
> that
> does the same thing. I use Windows for CF development at work and at home
> I
> use Macs for my freelance development. I use Eclipse as my IDE so that's
> the
> same on both sides. Database work is the only fly in the ointment. I do
> miss
> Beyond Compare on the Mac but there are some Mac programs (DeltaWalker and
> Araxis Merge) that are supposed to as good though I haven't tried an
> extensive review.
>
> Howard
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
>
> I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative
> aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac
> and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:
>
> If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and
> Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on
> Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc
> under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run
>
> on
>
> the Mac OS (I have to check on that).
>
> I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great
> new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if
>
> the
>
> software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am
> researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has
>
> time.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dusty
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Derrick Peavy]

OMfG! Who wrote this?

mac have been doing dual monitors since the early 90's. Since the  
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On Apr 11, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Douglas Knudsen wrote:


Thing I'd miss is dual monitor support. The dell I have has a dock
with dual outs for actual dual monitors. Mac?   Though I suppose with
the dropping LCD prices this maybe moot soon.



On 4/11/08, Howard Fore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dusty,
The only thing you'll really miss is SQL Server. Everything else  
that you
will use will either have a Mac install or there will be a Mac  
program that
does the same thing. I use Windows for CF development at work and  
at home I
use Macs for my freelance development. I use Eclipse as my IDE so  
that's the
same on both sides. Database work is the only fly in the ointment.  
I do miss
Beyond Compare on the Mac but there are some Mac programs  
(DeltaWalker and

Araxis Merge) that are supposed to as good though I haven't tried an
extensive review.

Howard

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



 OK this is probably a good question for Dean!

I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the  
creative
aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have  
moved to Mac

and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:

If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and
Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the  
VMWare on
Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running  
on my pc
under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have  
will run

on

the Mac OS (I have to check on that).

I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all  
the great
new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or  
Windows or if

the
software package will install on either. I am hoping  
either :-) ... I am
researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one  
has

time.


Thanks,

Dusty

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Howard Fore]

You don't have to miss it. Without external hardware you can run an external
monitor at the same time as using the onboard LCD (mirrored or not). If you
buy a Matrox DualHead2Go you can run two external monitors with the onboard.
Howard

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Thing I'd miss is dual monitor support. The dell I have has a dock
> with dual outs for actual dual monitors. Mac?   Though I suppose with
> the dropping LCD prices this maybe moot soon.
>
>
>
> On 4/11/08, Howard Fore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dusty,
> > The only thing you'll really miss is SQL Server. Everything else that
> you
> > will use will either have a Mac install or there will be a Mac program
> that
> > does the same thing. I use Windows for CF development at work and at
> home I
> > use Macs for my freelance development. I use Eclipse as my IDE so that's
> the
> > same on both sides. Database work is the only fly in the ointment. I do
> miss
> > Beyond Compare on the Mac but there are some Mac programs (DeltaWalker
> and
> > Araxis Merge) that are supposed to as good though I haven't tried an
> > extensive review.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >  OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
> > >
> > > I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the
> creative
> > > aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to
> Mac
> > > and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:
> > >
> > > If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and
> > > Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on
> > > Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my
> pc
> > > under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will
> run
> > on
> > > the Mac OS (I have to check on that).
> > >
> > > I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the
> great
> > > new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or
> if
> > the
> > > software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I
> am
> > > researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has
> > time.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Dusty
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Douglas Knudsen]

Thing I'd miss is dual monitor support. The dell I have has a dock
with dual outs for actual dual monitors. Mac?   Though I suppose with
the dropping LCD prices this maybe moot soon.



On 4/11/08, Howard Fore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dusty,
> The only thing you'll really miss is SQL Server. Everything else that you
> will use will either have a Mac install or there will be a Mac program that
> does the same thing. I use Windows for CF development at work and at home I
> use Macs for my freelance development. I use Eclipse as my IDE so that's the
> same on both sides. Database work is the only fly in the ointment. I do miss
> Beyond Compare on the Mac but there are some Mac programs (DeltaWalker and
> Araxis Merge) that are supposed to as good though I haven't tried an
> extensive review.
>
> Howard
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
> >
> > I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative
> > aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac
> > and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:
> >
> > If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and
> > Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on
> > Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc
> > under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run
> on
> > the Mac OS (I have to check on that).
> >
> > I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great
> > new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if
> the
> > software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am
> > researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has
> time.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dusty
> >
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Howard Fore]

Dusty,
The only thing you'll really miss is SQL Server. Everything else that you
will use will either have a Mac install or there will be a Mac program that
does the same thing. I use Windows for CF development at work and at home I
use Macs for my freelance development. I use Eclipse as my IDE so that's the
same on both sides. Database work is the only fly in the ointment. I do miss
Beyond Compare on the Mac but there are some Mac programs (DeltaWalker and
Araxis Merge) that are supposed to as good though I haven't tried an
extensive review.

Howard

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
>
> I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative
> aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac
> and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:
>
> If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and
> Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on
> Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc
> under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on
> the Mac OS (I have to check on that).
>
> I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great
> new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the
> software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am
> researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dusty
>
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Charlie Arehart]

Along these lines, I'll point out that Shannon Hicks has an ongoing series
he started last month on the very subject of moving to Mac as a CFer. Check
out the dozen or so he's done to this point at:

 

http://www.iotashan.com/blog/index.cfm/Mac

 

/charlie

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:09 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

 

Don't know about the license switch - if you can, that's freaking awesome!

 

In short, I see no draw back to developing on the mac for any language aside
from ASP (simply because you can't run and IIS/ASP server on your mac
natively). The mac even has Ruby, PHP, MySQL, Apache, Python, Perl  ready to
use out of the box. I believe the basic OS comes with developer tools as
well (X Code), though I might be wrong there. 

 

I agree with the comments here and based on experience in helping other
switch - run it all on the native OS you are switching too. Makes the most
sense and trust me - the gain you get in productivity far outweighs any
costs. 

 

Some app tips - best text editor hands down is BBEdit. If you actually know
the language you are coding in, you probably like a good text editor anyway.
What may throw you however, is that when you first launch it it looks like a
simple, plain blank document and you wonder, WTF? But the program, like the
Mac OS follows a philosophy of getting everything out of your way except for
the document. So, it's up to you to decide which palates you want to show on
a regular basis, etc.,

 

Best FTP - Transmit. Yes, it costs $30 (I think). But nothing on mac or
Windows can touch it. 

 

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On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:





Derrick yes that is exactly the kind of information I need. My hope was that
I would not have to run all the Adobe software on the Windows OS and it
sounds like that is the case but I guess I need to get the Mac version of
all the software. So the question might be can I upgrade my CS2 products to
Mac Version CS3 products? Andrew's response indicated I might be able to do
that so I am going to do more research and/or contact Adobe about that
today. I'll share the outcome.

 

Dusty

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy
Sent: 04/11/2008 12:44 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

Dusty: 

 

The software will NOT install on both. You can run it all under Windows
through VMWare, but it sounds like what you will end up doing is running
everything on the PC and nothing on the mac.

 

I develop on a mac. I use BBEdit (text editor) for code, safari/firefox for
browser testing, and either 1) upload CFM files to stage server (mimic of
production server) or 2) Run locally under CF or Blue Dragon. 

 

So, where is the need for the PC? (BTW - that's not flame bait, that's just
my approach).

 

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On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:



OK this is probably a good question for Dean!

I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative
aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac
and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:

If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator
on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I
currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP
so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I
have to check on that).

I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new
CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the
software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am
researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time.

Thanks,

Dusty


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Derrick Peavy]

As for testing for Windows compatibility, all you need is to either  
use some other windows machine to test browser compatibility, or  
VMWare or BootCamp and run windows on the same machine.


I code to XHTML 1.0 strict, so there is very little difference in  
browsers. I may have a couple of things here or there that I need to  
correct at the moment, but for the most part, going strict will solve  
90% of your problems and it's not hard to do.


"testing" on windows is a bit over hyped as what works in Safari and  
Firefox will work on IE 99% of the time. In other words, code  
correctly and simplly and it's not an issue.


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On Apr 11, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:

I suppose all the Mac users still test there apps on Windows based  
machines (since that is what most of the target audience uses)? I  
would assume I would do this using the VMWare? Is the what the  
developers that use Mac do?


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Singer
Sent: 04/11/2008 1:46 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

I'm using iMac at work and MacBook at home.  No need for a PC anymore.
--Sam Singer

On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Derrick Peavy wrote:
Don't know about the license switch - if you can, that's freaking  
awesome!


In short, I see no draw back to developing on the mac for any  
language aside from ASP (simply because you can't run and IIS/ASP  
server on your mac natively). The mac even has Ruby, PHP, MySQL,  
Apache, Python, Perl  ready to use out of the box. I believe the  
basic OS comes with developer tools as well (X Code), though I  
might be wrong there.


I agree with the comments here and based on experience in helping  
other switch - run it all on the native OS you are switching too.  
Makes the most sense and trust me - the gain you get in  
productivity far outweighs any costs.


Some app tips - best text editor hands down is BBEdit. If you  
actually know the language you are coding in, you probably like a  
good text editor anyway.  What may throw you however, is that when  
you first launch it it looks like a simple, plain blank document  
and you wonder, WTF? But the program, like the Mac OS follows a  
philosophy of getting everything out of your way except for the  
document. So, it's up to you to decide which palates you want to  
show on a regular basis, etc.,


Best FTP - Transmit. Yes, it costs $30 (I think). But nothing on  
mac or Windows can touch it.


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On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:
Derrick yes that is exactly the kind of information I need. My  
hope was that I would not have to run all the Adobe software on  
the Windows OS and it sounds like that is the case but I guess I  
need to get the Mac version of all the software. So the question  
might be can I upgrade my CS2 products to Mac Version CS3  
products? Andrew's response indicated I might be able to do that  
so I am going to do more research and/or contact Adobe about that  
today. I'll share the outcome.


Dusty

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of  
Derrick Peavy

Sent: 04/11/2008 12:44 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

Dusty:

The software will NOT install on both. You can run it all under  
Windows through VMWare, but it sounds like what you will end up  
doing is running everything on the PC and nothing on the mac.


I develop on a mac. I use BBEdit (text editor) for code, safari/ 
firefox for browser testing, and either 1) upload CFM files to  
stage server (mimic of production server) or 2) Run locally under  
CF or Blue Dragon.


So, where is the need for the PC? (BTW - that's not flame bait,  
that's just my approach).


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On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:

OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the  
creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers  
have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows  
applications. My questions are:
If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and  
Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the  
VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle  
suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet  
that the software I h

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Dusty Hale]

I just spoke with Adobe directly and you can switch your license from pc to
mac. However, they claim they no longer have CS2 products to distribute so
you can only do this if you're already using CS3 products.

Dusty 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron
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Sent: 04/11/2008 12:56 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

Dusty-

If you are going to switch to a mac I'd try to run everything on the native
mac OS that you can.  IIRC, Adobe will allow you to switch your PC based
licenses to mac based ones, but there may be a catch or two attached.  Seems
I remember something about only being able to do that once per license.
Currently there is very little that you can't do on a mac, so unless there
is a program not available for mac or one which you can't move the license
on - I'd try to keep it all running on the mac os if possible.

-Cameron

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
>
> I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the 
> creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have 
> moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions
are:
>
> If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and 
> Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on 
> Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my 
> pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have 
> will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that).
>
> I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the 
> great new
> CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if 
> the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) 
> ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one
has time.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dusty
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Michael Sheldon]

I've been on Macs since before I worked with Cheyenne, and being able  
to test between multiple systems and browsers helps highlight  
bothersome code much faster, and by doing it in more compliant  
browsers (Safari, FF, even IE7) first then makes the hacks for IE6  
more manageable.


As far as using both environments, I actually use Parallels right now,  
testing VMware, to host multiple instances of Windows XP & Vista as  
well as Ubuntu.  That way I can open whatever environment I need to  
test in.  I start with a nice clean imaged install and add on top of  
that.  You can use less instances if you are not testing secure sites  
by using the stand-alone versions of IE.  However, if you run say a  
WinXP vm with IE6 installed, the IE7 standalone can not run over  
https. That's why you might end up with more instances than ya thought  
at first.


Definitely try out all the Native mac software first though, the  
integration is much better and things like QuickView in the finder to  
make sure you're really opening the correct huge file is nice (click  
on a file, hit spacebar, it shows you contents quickly via the  
Desktop, Leopard/10.5 only).  Textmate and BBedit are great editors  
when you aren't in Eclipse. You'll want Adium for messaging, Fugu is a  
free sftp client from the UMich folks. VLC will play any of your video  
files you want to check out (including wmvs without Flip4Mac for  
Quicktime).


The Adobe license will switch, you may just need to call them up to do  
it for the cross-grade/upgrade option.  There's also some good  
Dashboard widgets for quick status checks on your servers and remote  
sites being up.  I also usually put full released browser updates in  
my /Applications folder and any betas in my user/Applications so that  
I can have multiple versions easily without renaming anything--like  
when I need FF2 extensions like webdev versus speed and app testing  
which I can perform in FF3 betas.


And of course you can get the CF8 dev edition working on your mac  
side, so makes local debugging very easy if you aren't connected to  
push to a stage server (quick overview at http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/27/Running-ColdFusion-8-on-Leopard)


**Michael

On Apr 11, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:

I suppose all the Mac users still test there apps on Windows based  
machines (since that is what most of the target audience uses)? I  
would assume I would do this using the VMWare? Is the what the  
developers that use Mac do?


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Singer
Sent: 04/11/2008 1:46 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

I'm using iMac at work and MacBook at home.  No need for a PC anymore.
--Sam Singer

On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Derrick Peavy wrote:
Don't know about the license switch - if you can, that's freaking  
awesome!


In short, I see no draw back to developing on the mac for any  
language aside from ASP (simply because you can't run and IIS/ASP  
server on your mac natively). The mac even has Ruby, PHP, MySQL,  
Apache, Python, Perl  ready to use out of the box. I believe the  
basic OS comes with developer tools as well (X Code), though I  
might be wrong there.


I agree with the comments here and based on experience in helping  
other switch - run it all on the native OS you are switching too.  
Makes the most sense and trust me - the gain you get in  
productivity far outweighs any costs.


Some app tips - best text editor hands down is BBEdit. If you  
actually know the language you are coding in, you probably like a  
good text editor anyway.  What may throw you however, is that when  
you first launch it it looks like a simple, plain blank document  
and you wonder, WTF? But the program, like the Mac OS follows a  
philosophy of getting everything out of your way except for the  
document. So, it's up to you to decide which palates you want to  
show on a regular basis, etc.,


Best FTP - Transmit. Yes, it costs $30 (I think). But nothing on  
mac or Windows can touch it.


_
Derrick Peavy
404-786-5036
Sales and Web Services
CollegeClassifieds.com
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On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:
Derrick yes that is exactly the kind of information I need. My  
hope was that I would not have to run all the Adobe software on  
the Windows OS and it sounds like that is the case but I guess I  
need to get the Mac version of all the software. So the question  
might be can I upgrade my CS2 products to Mac Version CS3  
products? Andrew's response indicated I might be able to do that  
so I am going to do more research and/or contact Adobe about that  
today. I'll share the outcome.


Dusty

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of  

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Dusty Hale]

I suppose all the Mac users still test there apps on Windows based machines
(since that is what most of the target audience uses)? I would assume I
would do this using the VMWare? Is the what the developers that use Mac do?

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Singer
Sent: 04/11/2008 1:46 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC


I'm using iMac at work and MacBook at home.  No need for a PC anymore. 
--Sam Singer

On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Derrick Peavy wrote:


Don't know about the license switch - if you can, that's freaking awesome!



In short, I see no draw back to developing on the mac for any language aside
from ASP (simply because you can't run and IIS/ASP server on your mac
natively). The mac even has Ruby, PHP, MySQL, Apache, Python, Perl  ready to
use out of the box. I believe the basic OS comes with developer tools as
well (X Code), though I might be wrong there. 

I agree with the comments here and based on experience in helping other
switch - run it all on the native OS you are switching too. Makes the most
sense and trust me - the gain you get in productivity far outweighs any
costs. 

Some app tips - best text editor hands down is BBEdit. If you actually know
the language you are coding in, you probably like a good text editor anyway.
What may throw you however, is that when you first launch it it looks like a
simple, plain blank document and you wonder, WTF? But the program, like the
Mac OS follows a philosophy of getting everything out of your way except for
the document. So, it's up to you to decide which palates you want to show on
a regular basis, etc.,

Best FTP - Transmit. Yes, it costs $30 (I think). But nothing on mac or
Windows can touch it. 

_ 
Derrick Peavy 
404-786-5036 
Sales and Web Services 
CollegeClassifieds.com 
http://www.collegeclassifieds.com 
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On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:


Derrick yes that is exactly the kind of information I need. My hope was that
I would not have to run all the Adobe software on the Windows OS and it
sounds like that is the case but I guess I need to get the Mac version of
all the software. So the question might be can I upgrade my CS2 products to
Mac Version CS3 products? Andrew's response indicated I might be able to do
that so I am going to do more research and/or contact Adobe about that
today. I'll share the outcome.
 
Dusty

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy
Sent: 04/11/2008 12:44 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC


Dusty: 

The software will NOT install on both. You can run it all under Windows
through VMWare, but it sounds like what you will end up doing is running
everything on the PC and nothing on the mac.


I develop on a mac. I use BBEdit (text editor) for code, safari/firefox for
browser testing, and either 1) upload CFM files to stage server (mimic of
production server) or 2) Run locally under CF or Blue Dragon. 

So, where is the need for the PC? (BTW - that's not flame bait, that's just
my approach).


_ 
Derrick Peavy 
Sales and Web Services 
CollegeClassifieds.com 
http://www.collegeclassifieds.com 
A Service of Universal Advertising, inc. 
___ 


On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:


OK this is probably a good question for Dean!

I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative
aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac
and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:

If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator
on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I
currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP
so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I
have to check on that).

I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new
CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the
software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am
researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time.

Thanks,

Dusty

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Sam Singer]

I'm using iMac at work and MacBook at home.  No need for a PC anymore.
--Sam Singer

On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Derrick Peavy wrote:

Don't know about the license switch - if you can, that's freaking  
awesome!


In short, I see no draw back to developing on the mac for any  
language aside from ASP (simply because you can't run and IIS/ASP  
server on your mac natively). The mac even has Ruby, PHP, MySQL,  
Apache, Python, Perl  ready to use out of the box. I believe the  
basic OS comes with developer tools as well (X Code), though I might  
be wrong there.


I agree with the comments here and based on experience in helping  
other switch - run it all on the native OS you are switching too.  
Makes the most sense and trust me - the gain you get in productivity  
far outweighs any costs.


Some app tips - best text editor hands down is BBEdit. If you  
actually know the language you are coding in, you probably like a  
good text editor anyway.  What may throw you however, is that when  
you first launch it it looks like a simple, plain blank document and  
you wonder, WTF? But the program, like the Mac OS follows a  
philosophy of getting everything out of your way except for the  
document. So, it's up to you to decide which palates you want to  
show on a regular basis, etc.,


Best FTP - Transmit. Yes, it costs $30 (I think). But nothing on mac  
or Windows can touch it.


_
Derrick Peavy
404-786-5036
Sales and Web Services
CollegeClassifieds.com
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A Service of Universal Advertising, inc.
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On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:
Derrick yes that is exactly the kind of information I need. My hope  
was that I would not have to run all the Adobe software on the  
Windows OS and it sounds like that is the case but I guess I need  
to get the Mac version of all the software. So the question might  
be can I upgrade my CS2 products to Mac Version CS3 products?  
Andrew's response indicated I might be able to do that so I am  
going to do more research and/or contact Adobe about that today.  
I'll share the outcome.


Dusty

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick  
Peavy

Sent: 04/11/2008 12:44 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

Dusty:

The software will NOT install on both. You can run it all under  
Windows through VMWare, but it sounds like what you will end up  
doing is running everything on the PC and nothing on the mac.


I develop on a mac. I use BBEdit (text editor) for code, safari/ 
firefox for browser testing, and either 1) upload CFM files to  
stage server (mimic of production server) or 2) Run locally under  
CF or Blue Dragon.


So, where is the need for the PC? (BTW - that's not flame bait,  
that's just my approach).


_
Derrick Peavy
Sales and Web Services
CollegeClassifieds.com
http://www.collegeclassifieds.com
A Service of Universal Advertising, inc.
___


On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:

OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the  
creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers  
have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications.  
My questions are:
If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and  
Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the  
VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite  
running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the  
software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that).
I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the  
great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or  
Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am  
hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate  
any quick answers if any one has time.

Thanks,
Dusty

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Derrick Peavy]

Don't know about the license switch - if you can, that's freaking  
awesome!


In short, I see no draw back to developing on the mac for any  
language aside from ASP (simply because you can't run and IIS/ASP  
server on your mac natively). The mac even has Ruby, PHP, MySQL,  
Apache, Python, Perl  ready to use out of the box. I believe the  
basic OS comes with developer tools as well (X Code), though I might  
be wrong there.


I agree with the comments here and based on experience in helping  
other switch - run it all on the native OS you are switching too.  
Makes the most sense and trust me - the gain you get in productivity  
far outweighs any costs.


Some app tips - best text editor hands down is BBEdit. If you  
actually know the language you are coding in, you probably like a  
good text editor anyway.  What may throw you however, is that when  
you first launch it it looks like a simple, plain blank document and  
you wonder, WTF? But the program, like the Mac OS follows a  
philosophy of getting everything out of your way except for the  
document. So, it's up to you to decide which palates you want to show  
on a regular basis, etc.,


Best FTP - Transmit. Yes, it costs $30 (I think). But nothing on mac  
or Windows can touch it.


_
Derrick Peavy
404-786-5036
Sales and Web Services
CollegeClassifieds.com
http://www.collegeclassifieds.com
A Service of Universal Advertising, inc.
___


On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:

Derrick yes that is exactly the kind of information I need. My hope  
was that I would not have to run all the Adobe software on the  
Windows OS and it sounds like that is the case but I guess I need  
to get the Mac version of all the software. So the question might  
be can I upgrade my CS2 products to Mac Version CS3 products?  
Andrew's response indicated I might be able to do that so I am  
going to do more research and/or contact Adobe about that today.  
I'll share the outcome.


Dusty

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick  
Peavy

Sent: 04/11/2008 12:44 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

Dusty:

The software will NOT install on both. You can run it all under  
Windows through VMWare, but it sounds like what you will end up  
doing is running everything on the PC and nothing on the mac.


I develop on a mac. I use BBEdit (text editor) for code, safari/ 
firefox for browser testing, and either 1) upload CFM files to  
stage server (mimic of production server) or 2) Run locally under  
CF or Blue Dragon.


So, where is the need for the PC? (BTW - that's not flame bait,  
that's just my approach).


_
Derrick Peavy
Sales and Web Services
CollegeClassifieds.com
http://www.collegeclassifieds.com
A Service of Universal Advertising, inc.
___


On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:

OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the  
creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers  
have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications.  
My questions are:
If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and  
Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the  
VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite  
running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the  
software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that).
I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the  
great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or  
Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am  
hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate  
any quick answers if any one has time.

Thanks,
Dusty

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Dusty Hale]

Derrick yes that is exactly the kind of information I need. My hope was that
I would not have to run all the Adobe software on the Windows OS and it
sounds like that is the case but I guess I need to get the Mac version of
all the software. So the question might be can I upgrade my CS2 products to
Mac Version CS3 products? Andrew's response indicated I might be able to do
that so I am going to do more research and/or contact Adobe about that
today. I'll share the outcome.
 
Dusty

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy
Sent: 04/11/2008 12:44 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC


Dusty: 

The software will NOT install on both. You can run it all under Windows
through VMWare, but it sounds like what you will end up doing is running
everything on the PC and nothing on the mac.


I develop on a mac. I use BBEdit (text editor) for code, safari/firefox for
browser testing, and either 1) upload CFM files to stage server (mimic of
production server) or 2) Run locally under CF or Blue Dragon. 

So, where is the need for the PC? (BTW - that's not flame bait, that's just
my approach).


_ 
Derrick Peavy 
Sales and Web Services 
CollegeClassifieds.com 
http://www.collegeclassifieds.com 
A Service of Universal Advertising, inc. 
___ 


On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:


OK this is probably a good question for Dean!

I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative
aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac
and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:

If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator
on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I
currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP
so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I
have to check on that).

I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new
CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the
software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am
researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time.

Thanks,

Dusty

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Cameron Childress]

Dusty-

If you are going to switch to a mac I'd try to run everything on the
native mac OS that you can.  IIRC, Adobe will allow you to switch your
PC based licenses to mac based ones, but there may be a catch or two
attached.  Seems I remember something about only being able to do that
once per license.  Currently there is very little that you can't do on
a mac, so unless there is a program not available for mac or one which
you can't move the license on - I'd try to keep it all running on the
mac os if possible.

-Cameron

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
>
> I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative
> aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac
> and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:
>
> If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator
> on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I
> currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP
> so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I
> have to check on that).
>
> I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new
> CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the
> software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am
> researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dusty
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Cheyenne Throckmorton]

Off the top of my head, I know Howard Fore is using one at home, and then
also Josh Adams just got a Mac starting over at Adobe, so that should be a
good sign I would think.  I know Ben Forta was on Vista, but he may have
even been on a Mac at CFunited Europe, although I can't remember for sure.

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Hey I would also be interested to here from anyone else who develops CF
> on a mac. I'm just curious how many members of this list are doing it.
>
> Dusty
>
>  --
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Powell
> *Sent:* 04/11/2008 12:36 PM
> *To:* discussion@acfug.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
>
>   When you upgrade, I believe you can upgrade to the mac version from PC
> version.  I've heard of people trying to run these apps in VMs, with little
> success b/c they're so resource intensive.
> Just my two cents.
>
> ap
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:
>
>  OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
>
> I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative
> aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac
> and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:
>
> If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and
> Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on
> Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc
> under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on
> the Mac OS (I have to check on that).
>
> I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great
> new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the
> software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am
> researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dusty
>
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Derrick Peavy]

Dusty:

The software will NOT install on both. You can run it all under  
Windows through VMWare, but it sounds like what you will end up doing  
is running everything on the PC and nothing on the mac.


I develop on a mac. I use BBEdit (text editor) for code, safari/ 
firefox for browser testing, and either 1) upload CFM files to stage  
server (mimic of production server) or 2) Run locally under CF or  
Blue Dragon.


So, where is the need for the PC? (BTW - that's not flame bait,  
that's just my approach).


_
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Sales and Web Services
CollegeClassifieds.com
http://www.collegeclassifieds.com
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On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:


OK this is probably a good question for Dean!

I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the  
creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers  
have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications.  
My questions are:


If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and  
Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare  
on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running  
on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I  
have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that).


I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the  
great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or  
Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am  
hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any  
quick answers if any one has time.


Thanks,

Dusty

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Dusty Hale]

Hey I would also be interested to here from anyone else who develops CF on a
mac. I'm just curious how many members of this list are doing it.
 
Dusty

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Powell
Sent: 04/11/2008 12:36 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC


When you upgrade, I believe you can upgrade to the mac version from PC
version.  I've heard of people trying to run these apps in VMs, with little
success b/c they're so resource intensive. 

Just my two cents.

ap


On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:


OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
 
I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative
aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac
and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:
 
If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator
on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I
currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP
so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I
have to check on that).
 
I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new
CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the
software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am
researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time.
 
Thanks,
 
Dusty

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Cheyenne Throckmorton]

This a great question, and one I'll be interested in following.  I don't
have a Mac myself, but after flailing with Vista on my dell laptop my friend
got a Mac Book Pro, and watching how quickly and easily it runs definitely
makes me jealous.  Granted they are just a casual user, so I just keep
telling myself, its ok, you can't develop very easily on a Mac (which I
know must be a lie).




On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
>
> I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative
> aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac
> and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:
>
> If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and
> Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on
> Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc
> under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on
> the Mac OS (I have to check on that).
>
> I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great
> new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the
> software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am
> researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dusty
>
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Andrew Powell]

When you upgrade, I believe you can upgrade to the mac version from PC  
version.  I've heard of people trying to run these apps in VMs, with  
little success b/c they're so resource intensive.


Just my two cents.

ap


On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote:

OK this is probably a good question for Dean!

I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the  
creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers  
have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My  
questions are:


If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and  
Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare  
on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running  
on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I  
have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that).


I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the  
great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or  
Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am  
hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any  
quick answers if any one has time.


Thanks,

Dusty

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[ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC

[Dusty Hale]

OK this is probably a good question for Dean!
 
I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative
aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac
and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are:
 
If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator
on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I
currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP
so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I
have to check on that).
 
I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new
CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the
software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am
researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time.
 
Thanks,
 
Dusty



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