[libreoffice-documentation] Audio format
All: Has anybody converted and distributed the Libreoffice documentation as an audio book? If so: * What was the experience in creating the audio book? * What was the audience reception to the audio book? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Request to hire someone to explain the entire LibreOffice Writer
On 2020/12/01 19:53, Paul Sutton wrote: Would it, from freedom / privacy perspective be better if videos where just on peertube, The more places you put them, the more exposure they will have. as it raises the profile of these free platforms, there is also zero advertising, Plus perhaps they are then embedded in side existing tutorials. Putting them on youtube will just make the critics say that peertube can't 'hack it as a platform'. In terms of Youtube I think some of the payment policy has changed on you tube too. I am not sure how adverts are generated on youtube but the last thing we want are:- Probably the only people that understand how adverts are generated, are the people who write the algorithm software that YouTube uses. Inappropriate advertising Advertising for 'other' office products that the algorithm may come up with, GoogleDocs or MSOffice for example. You are guaranteed that that will happen. More than once I've seen YouTube reviews that completely trashed the product, to have half a dozen adds for the product being displayed, during the review. I can't see Google liking rival products, let alone free ones that respect user freedom and don't collect data on users. As the TDF has sponsors, is it possible to: a) Run our own instance of peertube b) Stitch very short adverts from sponsors on to videos c) upload or find another way for sponsors to get a mention so that it The standard way of doing that, is listing sponsors as part of the credits. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Page Orientation
On 2020/11/28 15:26, Paul Sutton wrote:
Hi
Adding a section on how to change the page orientation, the method
shown does this globally, how would I do this for a single page within
a document so I get, for example
portrait
portrait
landscape
portrait
In LaTeX I would just use \begin{landscape} and \end{landscape} along
side the lscape package.
Should be as easy to do this in Libreofice.
>Insert >More Breaks >Manual Break >Page Break
select "Landscape" in the drop down list.
Then when you want to switch back to Portrait pages, follow the same
procedure, setting the page style that you want to follow Landscape.
jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Request to hire someone to explain the entire LibreOffice Writer
On 2020/12/02 15:17, Paul Sutton wrote: a) Can you leave a space, either at the top, or bottom of the video "page", that is not part of what is being demonstrated in the video/part of the subject of the video, to be used for either open-captioning, or closed-captioning? Do you mean on the actual video itself or on the webpage the video is on.? I am not sure what you are asking, sorry An unused space on the video itself. Somewhere that either open captioning or closed captioning can overlay, without blocking whatever is being demonstrated. b) Can you have a rectangle, preferably in a corner, that is never part of what is being demonstrated in the video/part of the subject of the video, to be used for sign-language overlay? I am not sure, I am using Vokoscreen to make these, so I am guessing a Likewise, an unused rectangle within the video, that when obliterated by picture within picture, won't obliterate whatever is being demonstrated. video editing suite can add this in. Vokoscreen will allow recording of picture in picture, if you have a webcam, Adding picture in picture is easy. What is not easy, is to ensure that the added picture/information won't block whatever is being demonstrated. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Thesaurus for USA or UK English
On 2020/11/20 14:13, Dan Lewis wrote: A language pack contains spell checking, hyphenation, thesaurus, and one more thing I have just forgotten. Either the auto-text or auto-correct files is the forgotten file. For some languages, the language pack includes the help pages, and UI in the target language. For one or two languages, a grammar checker is also included in the language pack. Back in the days of OOo, the language pack of one of the Slavic languages used to include a transliteration tool --- convert between the Cyrillic and Latin writing systems. ### I don't know if there is a formal list of what the language pack is supposed to contain, but they are wildly inconsistent in what they do contain. I just realized I haven't updated my list of available language packs, and what they contain, since LibO 5.x. Maybe they aren't as inconsistent as they used to be. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Documentation on the Templates and Extensions Sites?
On 2020/09/30 14:59, LibreOfficiant wrote: I fully support Jean-François statement regarding documentation location: - The extensions site is *not* the right place for LibreOffice documentation content Over the last five or so years, there has been a subtle encouragement to migrate everything that is to be downloaded, other than installable binaries, to the extensions part of the LibO website. In a strange sort of way, it makes sense to have everything findable in the extensions site. However, one of the big issues with the extension site, is how difficult it is to find things, if you don't know the exact name. (The only fix I can think of, is requiring everything to have either a Dewey-Decimal Number, or Library of Congress Classification Number, something that I suspect 99% of creators would be unable to provide.) jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Find & replace attributes not working
On 4/23/20 5:51 PM, Kenneth Hanson wrote: >the current names of those buttons don't really make any sense. Note how the >"No Format" button clears both. That is the normal and expected behaviour. No format should leave the text with the default font, size, and colour. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Find & replace attributes not working
On 4/23/20 5:08 PM, Toni B wrote: >Can anyone explain the difference between an attribute and a format in >"beginner" or "layperson" language? Format is presentation markup. Attribute is the specific quality associated with the presentation markup. Presentation markup is the stuff to use to make your document look good, bad, ugly, etc. Setting _Comic Sans_ as the font, is setting an attribute (the font) for the presentation markup. Setting _Libre Office Green 0_as the foreground colour, is setting an attribute (ink colour) of the presentation markup. Note: Attribute can also refer to syntactical markup. However, that would be beyond the scope of the documentation you are working on. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Multimedia in Help pages
On 05/03/2018 03:51 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote: > Options: > >1. Remove all multimedia from Help either online and offline: > 1. Problem vanish. Keep existing content on YouTube. However, look into migrating that content to a site controlled by _The Document Foundation_. The issue I'm looking at, is YouTube being blocked by governments around the world, due to its objectionable content" (^1). Advocating objectionable political thought, would run a close second place, as to why YouTube would be blocked. >3. Implement language based multimedia enabler in XSLT / makefile > 1. --without-help-multimedia=fr > 2. if $lang = “fr” then multimedia > /dev/null -1 For starters, France is not the only country to have localisation, and local content rules(^2). I don't have a list of these countries. > + a 5th option ? Different flavours of help with & without ? (Heiko) The various forms of documentation should complement, and supplement each other. > + Establish rules and guidelines for multimedia contents production to > address > + Quality > + Accuracy Each video, at the beginning, should clearly state which version of LibO it is for, and on which platform. "LibreOffice 6" is not enough. It needs to state "LibreOffice 6.0.4.1". Likewise, not "Windows", but "Windows 10 Pro", or "Windows 10 S". > + Security > + Privacy What are the GDPR requirements here? > + Cultural localization What is needed, is a template of what/how to do the video, without violating the culture norms of the communities of the globe. For some countries, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. a male narrator is required. In some places, _Torres Straits_ for example, depictions of people that are dead, or dying, are taboo. Each country has its own set of taboo colours. Offhand, I don't remember if there is a colour that has positive connotations, world wide. When shooting the script, ensure that there is a place for the Sign Language video window to be inserted, without covering anything that is either significant, or important. You don't have to include ASL from the start. However, designing/planing for ASL video in video from the start makes it much easier to incorporate, when it can be done. (^4) There are a couple of more criteria to be considered here, but I don't remember what they are. > + LibreOffice Branding and reputation > + Licensing Consent forms for the voice actors. Consent forms for the actors. Consent forms for the props. Once upon a time, _The Creative Commons Foundation_ had a comic book explaining what rights needed to be obtained, before making a film. I don't remember if it was that comic book, or another book, that covered the interplay of the different CC licenses, and the various consent forms needed to make a film. > + Maintainability The video editor will need to pull together, and keep in sync: * The Audio Captioning; * The open captioning and/or the closed captioning; * The ASL Video in Video; * The audio content; * The video content; Is a dedicated AV content team needed here? > + Other relevant issues A11Y requirements are equally important. Writing the Audio-Captioning script will be the hard part. Ideally, there is an individual who does nothing but write the audio-captioning script(^3). Narrating it will be the second hardest part. > + Create an Editorial board to enforce the rules and guidelines above. +1 Task # 1: A formal, comprehensive, style manual for all video documentation. ^1: YouTube has more genres of Rules 34 in action, than PornHub. It is a tossup as to which has the more explicit examples. YouTube is the hands down winner, in terms of whose content violates the most laws, in the most countries. ^2: For countries with local content production rules, the hardest part of compliance, is knowing what the specific restrictions are. ^3: If the script is comprehensive enough, it might be possible for the audio captioning to be written, before shooting has been completed. ^4: Green screen the Sign Language video. Shooting can be either before, or after the video has been done. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English videos in help files
On 04/27/2018 12:00 PM, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: > LibreOffice development does not follow the agile methodology. Unless you really want a 25,000 word essay on the subject, I'll skip my essay on Waterfall and relations, including derivatives v Agile and relations, including derivatives, and how LibO development follows an agile development process. > concerns would in any case target LibreOffice *deployments* and not TDF Before being deployed, organizations require the software to meet certain requirements. In this specific instance, both Section 508, and ADA. If those checkboxes aren't ticked, LibO won't be considered. Expecting an organization to fork LibO, simply to ensure compliance with local law, is way beyond the pale. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English videos in help files
On 04/26/2018 07:12 AM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote: >>> I'm only sad that we are not part of the discussion when we are highly >>> concerned. >> That probably has as much to do with where and when the discussions are >> held, as anything else. > you miss the point. Changing help (documentation project) and UI (UX project) > is not a self-enclosed thing. One of the vices of agile development is that documentation is considered to be, at best, unnecessary. This applies for both developer documentation, and user documentation. Whilst the theory is that Agile Development has the following for End User Documentation Creation: * using a topic-oriented approach such as the Darwin Information Typing Architecture (DITA) or Information MappingTM * leveraging user stories to produce task-oriented documentation * applying minimalist principles * participating as an active team member the reality is that the usual Agile Development creed on end user documentation is _They Ain't Gonna Read It So Why Bother Writing It_. >This is one of the biggest open source projects and changes in code (and UI >and documentation) affect not only many community members participating in the >project on different tasks, but millions of users. The other part of the equation, is that there were/are features and capabilities in LibO that virtually nobody other than the original developer knows exist. Features that never made their way into any user-documentation, and only got one line in a developer synopsis. By way of example, which version of Logo is embedded within LibO? Only slightly more esoteric is which version of R does LibO have hooks for? (Who needs VBA when you've got R?) Now wondering if the Flight Simulator game was removed from LibO. > So we do need to copy or thoroughly adapt some of the "corporate" workflow > magic and make this process a road to success, not to chaos. Sun practiced waterfall development, in which specifications for everything were written out in advance. TDF practices agile development, in which nothing is specified until after delivery. The adoption of these models reflect what was considered to be "best practices" when the organization started developing the program. There are advantages and disadvantages to each of these models. >but there must be a workflow where such changes, when already thought through >by its native team, The thinking through, as such, happens during/after construction, not before construction. This is why the _only_ way that l10n teams can get a hint of what will happen, is to have a designated l10n team member, whose sole function is to sit in on each and every call, and follow both the Bugzilla, and Commits list, and the use-case and user-story storyboards for each proposed function, capability, etc. I realize that that is literally a full time job. > with l10n teams (who are not just localizers, translators, but in most cases > promoters of LO in their countries/languages/cultures and can offer a lot of > advice what might not be good for their language/cultural environment/law > requirements) - before they get introduced. So we need such a > forum/discussion point in development process. +1 > I often remember the OOo days where every upcoming bigger feature had a > webpage (a kind of a wiki page in the Sun web subworld) made by the > developers, That happened for both minor and major features. It is a side effect of the waterfall model of software development. If you roam around on the openoffice.org website, you can still find some/most of those web pages. >but all this iterative changing (that does lead to better and better results, >no doubt about it) in the end hits the l10n teams and makes their members feel >like Sisyphus. Sisyphus was lucky. He knew his fate. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English videos in help files
On 04/25/2018 10:50 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote: >> Why on earth are there videos in the help files? >> That smacks of being a Section 508 violation. >> Could you elaborate on this, _Section 508_ is a US Law. This is the federal regulation (^1) that requires government agencies, and organizations with government contracts, to make _everything_ accessible to those with disabilities. ADA is a different law in the United States, and it applies everywhere. For a blind person, Audio-Captioning of a video, is a "reasonable accommodation". For a deaf person, Close-Captioning of a video is a "reasonable accommodation". For the deaf-blind, neither of those options are usable. What does work is a transcript of both the audio-captioning and the closed-captioning, but even that is generally considered to be little more than a work-around. Is an audio-captioned transcript available? Is a closed-captioned transcript available? _If_ both of those are available, and integrated into one document, then, if that was placed within the video, such that a deaf-blind person could read it, it _might_ be Section 508 compliant. Audio-captioning takes a long time. Budget one minute for each second in the video. A five minute video would take 300 minutes to audio-caption. >BTW I'm sure Olivier didn't want to make wrong but didn't realized the >consequences. Section 508 is the type of regulation that nobody pays attention to, unless they have a11y requirements. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the video fails legal criteria in Canada, for a very different set of reasons --- not locally produced. >We need to enhance the help files, True. Several times this year, I've started to write documentation, but it is a huge task, that feels utterly overwhelming. Even breaking it down into sub-tasks of sub-tasks of sub-tasks has an air of intimidation to it. (About a year ago I concluded that the only way forward, was to throw away all of the existing documentation, and rewrite everything from scratch, because so much had changed, and the future promised even bigger changes, with even less advance notice. Shortcuts that worked in 4.0 don't work in 6.0. Functionality that was present in 4.0 doesn't exist in the 6.0.3 daily build. OTOH, one can do things in the 6.0.3 daily build that aren't doable in 5.x.) >I'm only sad that we are not part of the discussion when we are highly >concerned. That probably has as much to do with where and when the discussions are held, as anything else. Oliver is pretty good about providing the agenda, along with the date, time, and place of the Documentation Team Meetings. EG: 2018-04-25 19:00 CET https://meet.jit.si/tdfdocteam agenda at https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/documentation ^1: Technically, it only applies to the federal government, and agencies and organizations that have a contract with the federal government. On a practical level, it also applies to state, county, and local government, and organizations that have contracts with them. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] English videos in help files
On 04/25/2018 05:21 PM, Sophie wrote: > Some videos have been embedded in the help files. Why on earth are there videos in the help files? That smacks of being a Section 508 violation. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] choosing proper wiki-location for article on TSCP-classification
On 03/19/2018 08:31 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: > Will look at that too and let you know if there are ideas for improving. I don't know if it was by accident, or by design, but users can create more classification levels than BAILS defines. (IMNSHO, leave that functionality in.) I've also run into a couple of edge cases, where LibO does the unexpected. I'm still going through the BAILS documentation, to figure out if the unexpected is only from my I thought should happen, or if it is unexpected from how BAILS defines things to happen. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation for Base
On 05/29/2017 07:18 AM, André MALLET wrote: > There is even no specific help available from F1 ! Unlike the other components of LibO, Base can be used as either a client, or a client-server. This makes writing documentation for it more complex than for the other components. Compounding that issue, is that database construction is an extremely technical art, and science. > All that make me think that Base development is left behind. LibO is in the midst of switching/adding database engines. As such, one can't say that Base development has been left behind. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Gene name errors are widespread in the scientific literature
Steve wrote: >Probably not the practical solution, but both. That makes writing the Calc guide slightly more difficult, but not enough to not do so. >I found writing instruction manuals you need a comprehensive manual (your b)), but to avoid a higher incidence of customers making mistakes a separate document (your a)) with just those tricky items that resulted in a high incidence of support calls helped to reduce support needs. That makes sense. Integration in the manuals will probably be: * Explanation of process #1; ** Common Errors; 8 Explanation of Process # 2; ** Common Errors; >I will read it if I have problems (but only if I realise I am having problems). What those researchers found, is that the users didn't even know that their spreadsheet contained errors. > My current strategy is 1 comprehensive manual with appendices that deal with specific aspects (that cross reference to the manual) and can be printed or PDFed as stand alone documents. Cross references within the book, and references to other material that expands on the issue, are vital. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] BAF, BAILS, and friends
All: With the release of LibreOffice 5.2, there is a comprehensive set of security options for LibreOffice, based upon digital signatures, metadata, and various other tools, techniques, and standards. Question: * Would a single document on these security options be more appropriate, than inclusion as a chapter within the Write,Calc, Impress, Draw, Base documentation? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Minutes of Documentation Team Meeting, July 27th 2016, 20:00 UTC.
Nina wrote: >I wonder if/how the LibreOffice documentation could take benefit from DITA. Has this been considered/discussed already? What has been periodically discussed, is listing topics for which articles of 500 - 5,000 words, as appropriate, are written. The idea being that the articles could be massaged for the specific output media format. In theory, this would mean documentation was consistent across media formats, and, when the base article was updated, it would ripple throughout the documentation universe. In practice that hasn't has happened. I'd hazard that the following are the primary reasons why that hasn't/won't happen: * Topic Completeness; * Document reuse is, at best, non-trivial; * This is not how ODF Authors has historically created documentation; Topic Completeness Going by the Design Survey for Draw, the following are the most common uses for Draw: * Creating diagrams; * As an MS Visio replacement; * Schemas; * PDF Editing; * Network diagrams; * Flowcharts; * UMLs; * Drawings; * Block Schemas; * Block Diagrams; * Algorithms; * Vector image editing; Will an article that describes how to do Block Schemas with Draw, suffice for those that want to know how to do a Block Diagram? Will a how-to for UMLs suffice for algorithms? Equally problematic is appropriate indexing. One can write a great article describing how to create and use Radar Charts with Calc, but will it occur to anybody to also index the article under Star Plots, Spider Charts, Polar Charts, or any of the dozen other names used for that type of chart? Document Reuse is Non-trivial Every type of media has its own set of editing and layout requirements. * The purpose of the material affects how it is formatted. By way of example, a psychology research article will be formatted according to _The APA Publication Manual_ guidelines, whilst a research article on the Bible will be formatted according to _The SBL Handbook of Style_; * The target audience affects both vocabulary and syntax. Look at the textual differences between the British and the American edition of any book that was first published in England; *The output format affects how material is put together. Consider the differences between a script for a theatrical play, a script for a film, a script for a radio play, and a script for a TV production; ODF Authors document creation history What is useful, is examining why things are currently done the way that they are. A switch to "topic orientated articles" as a focal point requires a major shift in the creative psyche of ODFAuthors. As far as switching to DITA goes, the first step would be for LibreOffice to be able to import/export to that markup language. Until that happens, adopting DITA is a non-starter, with topic focused articles as being the closest possible adoption. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-documentation] How to count downloads of user guides?
Oliver wrote: >This sample shows us that the software is download by many thousands but the books are by hundreds. Is there a breakdown by either language, or country, or both, for downloads of LibreOffice? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Manage Changes in Sidebar (Writer)
Jean wrote: >If this is mentioned in the user guide, I missed it. If it's not mentioned, I'll add it. The list of features that are turned on, or off, by checking "Experimental features" changes with each release. As best as I've been able to determine, there is no central list of these features. :( jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Fwd: [odfauthors-discuss] user guide for large complex documentation with Writer
On 19/04/2016 15:39, Roger wrote: >decided that best way to learn how to use LibreOffice is by writing a manual >for Writer (complex projects) Are you married to the idea of writing documentation for Writer? If not, I'd recommend writing documentation for Draw, Impress, Base, Math, or Calc. > a) A manual which covers "how to" of ALL the facilities in Writer (and > actually uses as many of them as possible) All? Depending upon how LibO is configured, functionalities, and facilities appear and disappear. This applies even if no additional extensions are installed. > 2 This will be a non-trivial document and I would welcome more knowledgeable > input given my own weakness in this area. I wonder if you realize just how huge a task it is, to document all of the functionality in even one component. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide and Calc Guide for 5.*
On 21/03/2016 12:38, Lera Goncharuk wrote: > Maybe someone from the authors team of Guide can answer my question. When > can we wait a release of the Writer Guide and the Calc Guide for 5.*? The Lib 5.3 Calc Guide will probably be available with the release of LibreOffice 5.3, on 30 January 2017. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Help-files: Large-scale 'cosmetic' changes
On 30/03/2016 00:03, Tom Davies wrote: > Apparently the quality of all the translations is currently FAR > higher than the quality of the English original! This appears to be due to > the long-term lack of resources invested in the English "built-in help". More precisely, it is the result of a deliberate policy to _not_ have a formal team to translate the strings into English. As such, whenever somebody decides to clean up the English translation, were the translators paid normal translation rates, it would cost roughly US$1,000 per string, per location, regardless of any change in the target language. What should happen is: Source document: Whatever variant of English/Pidgin the devs, etc. write in. Target Document: * French; * German; * Spanish; * English; etc; jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] guide for scholars
On 24/03/2016 07:02, K-J LibreOffice wrote: > are there any new informations? _Maak je Mooiste werkstuk met LibreOffice Writer_. I either got side tracked by another project, or else my dissociative kicked into high gear. An English translation? A couple of pages into translating it, I realized that it would need rewriting for a US audience. The major omission is how to setup the template for SBL, APA, MLA, and Chicago Style Manuals. (Deliberately ignoring BlueBook/Redbook, because that belongs in a guidebook specifically targeting the legal profession.) >From 2011, on the LibO documentation site, is _Students’ Guide to OpenOffice Writer_ by David Paenson, distributed under a Creative Commons license. However, it doesn't specify which one. :( >From 2015, at http://openoffice-uni.org/, there is _Apache OpenOffice Writer for students_ by David Paenson, published under the Apache License, version 2.0. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Help Writer's Guidelines
On 24/11/2015 12:32, ptoye wrote: >> To supplement those guidelines, it recommends: >> * _The Chicago Manual of Style_. University of Chicago Press; >> * _Read Me First! A Style Guide for the Computer Industry_. Sun >> Microsystems; >> * _The Modern Language Association (MLA) guidelines_; > Are the documents you mention available on the Web? All three books are commercially distributed. You should be able to find them on Amazon, or your usual ebook vendor. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Help Writer's Guidelines
On 30/10/2015 21:24, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: > as a possible, a help writer's guidelines needs to be created to guide users > who modify help to write in a particular style. There is _Chapter 5 Style Guide_ in _The LibreOffice Contributor's Guide_. To supplement those guidelines, it recommends: * _The Chicago Manual of Style_. University of Chicago Press; * _Read Me First! A Style Guide for the Computer Industry_. Sun Microsystems; * _The Modern Language Association (MLA) guidelines_; I'll grant that the absence of a specific edition of _The Chicago Manual of Style_, or specific edition, and version of _The MLA Guidelines_ might be result in stylistic differences between contributors, if they use different editions/versions of those texts. I've a dim memory of a different set of guidelines, from the days of OOo 1.x, that was used outside of the group that became ODFAuthors. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] German Base-Handbuch 5.0
On 07/21/2015 07:15 PM, Robert Großkopf wrote: I 'm not able to translate the handbook from German to English. My English isn't good enough for this. What is the name of that tool that integrates with LibreOffice, to do automated machine translation? I'm thinking that the LibO documentation would make a good test case of how useful it is. Not Omega-T --- that is human only translation, albeit it has a very good translation memory. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Intro and some questions
On 06/28/2015 03:33 AM, David Allen wrote: “* Excluding people whose legal residence is in a jurisdiction that prohibits them to do these tasks, unless they are being paid to do so.” What does that mean? Someone somewhere in the world would be legally prohibited from volunteering? In a nutshell, individuals can volunteer, but the organization has to pay them. Being a registered charity (British Commonwealth), or 501(c)(3) (United States) does not live the organization of the requirement to pay those who would do the tasks voluntarily, and without pay. Most of this legislation was passed during, and shortly after the dot-bomb experience. Consequently, Tech orientated companies tend to get special scrutiny by the Labour Board. the case, that's not our concern or responsibility. It would be the volunteers. We can't police that. Thing is, in most jurisdictions with such legislation, anybody can file the complaint. The onus is on the organization, not the volunteer. found info on Assistive Tech in the following locations. (I know many (most https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Accessibility http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/accessibility/ https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Assistive_Tools_in https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Accessibility_in https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Shortcuts_Accessibility https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Accessibility Also the mailing lists. Both the one specifically for a11y issues, and the l10n projects. Maybe also the user list. I don't remember which project had A11Y How-Tos in bugzilla. Not only is tech information scattered, but even information about writers and writing is scattered. It makes it hard to keep track and focus. At least for me. I suspect that the same is true for all of the projects within LibO. The information is out there, but because it scattered in umpteen different places, few people manage to track it. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Intro and some questions
On 06/26/2015 07:52 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote: wiki help is supposed to allow an easier transition into allowing volunteers to write help documentation, but again, knowing where to put stuff, and learning to use mediawiki is an extra hurdle for a lot of I had forgotten that it used MediaWiki. Creating content is as easy as: # Create the new content in LibreOffice; # Export the document to the wiki using the built-in Wiki Publisher extension; I thought that there was an extension that enabled one to grab content directly from the web, but I can't find it. Maybe I'm thinking of the Copy Plain text extension for FireFox. jonathon * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); # -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Intro and some questions
On 06/25/2015 12:40 AM, Dave Barton wrote: How it is created Painfully :) Going by the comments in email list about creating the helpfile, I suspect that painfully is a major understatement. The dev guide to creating help files can be found here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HelpContent and a somewhat dated edition here: http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/online_help/ One needs to find: * Helpauthoring.oxt. * xmlhelptemplate.ott and learn how to use both of those items, before one can even begin to work on the built-in help documentation. As best as I can determine, there is no documentation on how to use either the template, or the extension. The other barrier is setting up GIT/Mercurial/whatever SVN is really used, on one's local system, to import the data onto one's system. sudo apt-get install GIT is easy enough, but to use it is a slightly different story. BTW. We are all subscribed to this list, so cc isn't necessary. My working assumption is that the person sending the reply has little, if any control over who receives their reply, when responding to a list. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Intro and some questions
On 06/24/2015 04:37 PM, David Allen wrote: Jonathon, you mentioned a good test of the functionality of the Project Management tools for Lib0. Are you talking about a specific piece of software? Over the years, individuals and organizations have submitted extensions and/or templates that ostensibly enable one to manage projects, using OOo, and then LibO or AOO. After I wrote that email yesterday, I went browsing the LibO and AOo extension sites, and only two extensions popped up under a search for project management. DatabaseRangeManager, and AuthorSupportTools. * DatabaseRangeManager, when correctly configured, ensures that sane values are inserted into spreadsheets. (I didn't test this extension out.) * AuthorSupportTools looks like a fork/updated version of Writer Tools, and Writer Extras. In both LibO 4.3.2 LibO 5.0 beta, it crashed on me, with an unsupported Java call. It wouldn't install in EuroOffice 2014. At Libreoffice Templates, there is a Gantt Chart Template, and a Project Manager Database. * I used The Gantt Chart Template for a project a while ago, and it works fairly well, provided one has a list of required resources, and all the other data it requires, before creating the chart. (This is a major issue with Gantt Charts.) * I just briefly looked at the Project Manager Database, and it looks promising. However, I haven't tried it out, so looks may be not be accurate. There are ten templates at Apache OpenOffice Templates that purport to be for project management. The ones I looked were straight conversions from Excel. At least one required whatever scripting language Excel uses, to be available. Something I didn't find, that I thought I'd seen, but on reflection probably only saw the spec sheet/wishlist of, was an extension that kept the data in BASE, used Calc for data input/output, exported dates/schedule to IC and Lightning, and sent reminder/status report emails via Thunderbird. jonathon * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); # -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Intro and some questions
On 06/23/2015 07:33 PM, David Allen wrote: I've seen the page titled User Guide Tasks ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development), but it's essentially empty. Is it maintained by anyone in particular? That page is more a description of how things are done, than what is done. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/resources-for-contributers is a better description of the system used by ODFAuthors. Wandering through the projects listed in the column on the left hand side, will provide a more current status of the documentation process. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/ is where to start, to find a reasonable current list of what is being done, in English. Is it fair to say that I could just pick something to work on because, essentially, little to nothing is being worked on? Most of the focus is on the core manuals: * Getting Started; * Writer; * Calc; Secondary manuals are: * Draw; * Impress; Tertiary manuals are: * Math; * Base; If you know contemporary geek German, and want to help get the material ready for LibO 5.0, my suggestion would be translate the German manual on Base into English, then update it to LibO 5.0. I just discovered that _Using Assistive Technology in LibreOffice_ hasn't been updated since 2010, and at that, it is extremely incomplete. «IMNSHO, this document should be platform specific, describing how the various a11y do, or more commonly don't work with LibO, and what the viable workarounds are.» or they aren't doing anything simply because they're getting lost in such a huge project Part of it is that there are very few people producing anything in the way of documentation. This applies both to creating original content, and translating existing content from one language into another language. Part of it is that there is a lot of work to be done, but no single document that either lists everything that needs to be done, or even lists everything that is currently being worked on. «Creating that groups of documents would be a good test of the functionality of the Project Management tools for Lib0.» especially if those volunteering are new to documentation. That is a good point. Some people have selected their own specialty within documentation, and are working on it at a glacial speed. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Revised LO v5.0 template draft
On 02/06/2015 04:19, Jean Weber wrote: Is there a tutorial somewhere that explains how to place icons in styles I don't know. I could write one, unless Bruce Byfield has written it Until I looked at how that style was constructed, I had completely forgotten that one could use any image as an icon, in list-styles. Numbering Style Images is where the icons in these styles are from. Number Style Number Graphics and Number styleNumber Linked Graphics both allow one to use either an image in the gallery, or from one's disk drive, as an icon. And just to rub in how much I've forgotten about styles: * I've been editing another document, in which I have a list style that uses an image I made, as the icon; * Circa 2005, I described how to create that type of style, in the documentation I wrote on styles and their attributes. (FWIW, I no longer have a copy of that document.) jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] graphics for Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0
On 02/06/2015 11:26, Ruth Ann wrote: You can take screen shots with Windows. If memory serves me right, there is either a formal, or informal policy of not using screenshots from any Microsoft platform, because Microsoft claims that usage to infringe upon their copyright. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Revised LO v5.0 template draft
On 31/05/2015 01:09, Jean Weber wrote: Icons can be changed later if we want different ones. In the United States, Gold Stars are typically viewed as something positive --- an outcome that is desirable. Consequently, I'd suggest changing that icon to something else. I do like not having to do Cautions, Notes, and Tips in tables. Is there a tutorial somewhere that explains how to place icons in styles like that? Migrating to this new template also fixed an issue I was having with chapter numbers. :) jonathon * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); # -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
On 28/05/2015 13:38, Marcus Mackaku wrote: Why do we not rather create one standard template for all versions or that can be used across all versions? A little more than a decade ago, somebody, probably Jean, made a template for OpenOffice.org Documentation. Over time, that template has been modified, to fit current practices, and document output. By way of example: * In LibO4.4.draft.ott, the modifications made it easier to export content to ePub format, with minimal presentation markup loss; * The cover page was changed, when _The Document Foundation_ was created; * I _think_ that the same template is used, with Apache branding, rather than OOo or LibO branding. (I'm not sure about this, because the Apache documentation does not cover the current version of AOO; _Maak je mooiste werkstuk met LibreOffice Writer_ uses the lightly modified _LibreOffice handleidingen_. Dutch (The Netherlands) is the default language, rather that English (US). The Base documentation in German uses an older version of the template, with a minor modification -- German (Germany) as the default language, rather than English (US). Both of those documents use a different font than the current LibO4.4.draft, but I don't know if that is because the fonts changed with LibO4.4.draft, or if the the default fonts for English don't work as well for Dutch and German text. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
On 28/05/2015 04:55, Jean Weber wrote: We really should publish at least the Getting Started Guide for v5.0 reasonably close to the time the program is released, don't you agree? Is the LO4.4 chapter template (draft) going to be the standard template for LibO v5? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
On 28/05/2015 07:20, Jean Weber wrote: Content updating should proceed using the new template so that the style names of the new files are correct. Thanks. ### This is when find and replace for character styles would be nice to have. OTOH, for the documentation I've been looking at, the writer has used direct formatting, and not character styles. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Missing words and spelling errors in manuals and other LibreOffice texts
On 13/05/2015 14:51, Marcus Mackaku wrote: Why are there missing words and spelling errors in some LibreOffice manuals/texts? Which _specific_ manuals/texts are you referring to here? Some of the publicly available is at has been through multiple copy-edits, style edits, and line edits. Most of the documentation is somewhere between those two points. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] paid support - LibreOffice Manuals
On April 13, 2015 8:57:26 AM PDT, Joel Madero wrote: It's becoming a constant theme that people actually cannot find the paid support easily so I think that having a link in the manual to a Finding the page is the minor challenge. The major challenge is finding contact information for the individuals and organizations on that page. Compare https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/professional-support/ With http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html jonathon -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Manuals in ePub format?
On April 7, 2014 8:54:09 PM PDT, Robinson Tryon wrote: version of the manuals alongside the ODT and PDF versions on the wiki? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications Wouldn't it be simpler to use the export to ePub extension option for LibO, than use Calibre? Jonahon -- Your documents, your language, your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Extensions
On 05/30/2012 02:36 AM, Jean Weber wrote: unless they are unusually outstandingly helpful. What makes an extension unusually outstandingly helpful? A list of objective criteria. We do have a generic statement that people can get extensions from various places. Could a list of sites that provide extensions that may work with LibO 3.x be included. * http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ * http://aoo-extensions.sourceforge.net/ * http://oooconv.free.fr/index_fr.html * http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooop/files/Extension/ jonathon * Unknown - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Fw: Permission for 3rd party documentation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16/04/12 10:57, Tom Davies wrote: I think they are just asking permission to take screen-shots Microsoft has an official policy of claiming copyright of all screenshots on a Microsoft platform. I guess they don't understand copy-left licenses or OpenSource ideals Most likely explanation is _Due Diligence_. I've found thousands of documents that are allegedly distributed under a copy-left license, but, upon verifying the status with the legal copyright holder, discovered to be ARR. There are several sites on the Internet that pay lip service to libre content,by implementing an _OFFICIAL_ policy of re-licensing everything, _without_ the knowledge, consent, or authorization of the legal copyright holder. and asking permission for something that they are free to go ahead with anyway. If one could safely assume that the libre license was added by the legitimate copyright holder, then your assumption --- that asking permission is unnecessary, because it has been granted --- would be correct. Since the well is known to be poisoned, you have to do as much, if not more due diligence with libre content, than with non-libre content. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPjb+6AAoJEEKevXexj2B1IhEH/0/JxiahG9hoqKjOKVRw0U8f BfMM00A2DpTZyU7/P4/JqqFRmqMwvEyrK8PDf+kOrSxqfqrd7J55mIDE/UjgCIPv zAC6YKycGAcN7zMowr3nHoqyI7ues93CzN5afU9m3Max1ZDV8T7PGqMcMxohBX8u gthUamfcg4YPJFAvU0XCCKDHr9hi4o6LK9cpIhBjIRCg/mpJ6FD9vrNykACK4p7J 3WUBWPZ2KDpL+QegyS107AmR8yMwN8ceidHNsvVbA+R1CuuioRmNDzm0U/5sXHlU AJLIcQSd7GLYmqipWLFVfNd4YJ0EfbrKY2htcTOUL44KcaKohAzemWGFUHj0xU0= =Ao6N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28/11/11 22:30, italovignoli wrote: - before deciding to use CC BY-NC-SA for all my licensed documents (mostly presentations). Most of the lawsuits involving CC Licenses have involved the meaning of the CC-BY-NC-SA license. Look at the difference of opinion expressed by the Creative Commons Foundation, MIT, and the Dutch Collection Society on what that license means, grants, permits, and prohibits. Although we have not discussed the subject at BoD level, I can anticipate that the foreseeable result of a discussion would be against using Apache License for documents. OOAuthors is an organization that is independent of both _The Document Founation_ and _The Apache Foundation_. As such, rulings by either organization are technically meaningless. Defaulting to CC/AL, in my opinion, means to legally steal the work of all people who are not enough knowledgeable about software licenses (in my opinion, the majority of people involved in documentation). The issue is that there is nothing in non-legalese that explains the consequences of using the different licenses, for documentation, in any legal jurisdiction. I would personally veto the license change without a clear and visible explanation of the consequences for their work of AL adoption for documents. I'd suggest that there be a document that clearly explains the legal consequences, in plain English, on using: * CC-BY-SA by itself; * AL by itself; * CC-BY-SA and AL; * LGPL by itself; jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO1lSNAAoJEEKevXexj2B1W84H/iE/NBm8onFSHJ1eaisiwTvC 5lS+uiOw1N+wRY1mhdhzJXZaaNPomQs5/o7bNbGPF5yOotzzdqfnL5HRsSb5C/HA C8m9gZCaHky+HhzwX8D66zoEH/AZC2TlO3tqqjjaMuVA33Ep4SmkRoMQ8pCVCiwA gmGZ8VHRA16CHcZHHNR41dxJDP2LMKNXMqRjemDjScghWN1DOngH/0Yr78Aw1ePH Qq+5d0h1dF2g9We9INwKC/7a2nAXnR+V8EKIOD5avoALloHtKfzGXbzfhciBABE8 jL8lusNrNAO4neKky3TO6dj9Stutv304wviTqra1fbUEawpbNoqM7L6S/vBe9gU= =DCgU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] GS with LibO in ePub on Lulu.com
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22/11/11 11:58, Jean Weber wrote: there are several possible ways to do it, including Calibre (my preferred tool). Calibre doesn't handle images very well. OTOH, PDF is the only ebook format that can do images properly, without a lot of down and dirty editing of the underlying formatting language. Takes time and effort, even if the conversion tool works well. Run some tests with SmashWords. For formats in which the output is of acceptable quality, use them for the distribution. SmashWord's conversion tool has some kinks that don't produce the expected output, but it usually produces higher quality output than using Calibre. I had some major problem with the OOo plugin; I forget what it was, There are at least two ePub plugins: # One of them relies on the internal HTML engine of OOo/LibO. Between the invalid HTML output, and that that HTML is for a different version of HTML, than that defined in ePub specs, it fails more often than it succeeds; # One of them has installation issues with LibO. I don't know how well it plays with OOo. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOy6d1AAoJEEKevXexj2B1Kc0IALYP7fHOu5um46icyu1jSbH0 k0uerwff8Fpv48g1Z1vnLiphbHOvSYuHx/We+/UZRXYkwRgdSRHHPB7wA536DXdu lsskI60cyJkArUZ0wDn8PLJYvrNNRQnYqGTda3DQiEMxC4vNqVYf6Txy9d31wJy2 aVRqY8xtsy97hd9VlIRjL1fAF7vo0o98BqL1b/LAWgkbAWyPXsp4BLyOzoqhvamr +RebjMTGWVOX3z3206Z6cIRrd+41pTUOAoDoASUMd8ZL/IkvbNY0/RrHwCW2h/+b X4rDoeRmPzZiUGSv97K3liGOKElUiCSgySanaUL8B5uQ4wOFvza9I8RInNuyjAM= =+oJw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Linux/Ubuntu user using KDE/kdm KickOff..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/07/2011 12:16 AM, Tom Davies wrote: It's still Tuesday here. Ooops, scratch that! _Jewel of the Nile_ Isn't that function next Tuesday Today is next Tuesday jonathon - -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOaDm+AAoJEIda1rvbz/7LzaEH/386PhqSrEvcShxnPjvlAbW+ ao8qKZY/g/fNO4xTW/Lp0ofIIFh2PGClZJXyjA4wz9+jpu2KcYJSPPbF1hd8vNea KRVntRx+bu8R83kefAc1v9qfu1n9iv1gq0NE8K8gHnbq/9mlvx0rRUhg6+hF/6F1 x8ybHeW79VPanCZZQJ0SuWq/jaczz+cL0MQIxQoWlb8ZujKKvef5vNot9XiK5Ha7 kTLe4GyJceOvVQU8iTlUUyox+5Sz/i3TqMsjuP6rIAW/UCsN5Psk5zgt6j/KYrP3 jPSrzTGSEdra6hOb1xxEK5GjHTJ1LUY0mgtgzPKQA61NP2Cs2QiyE6eCQwRrEBA= =nnLG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] My main machine is now a Mac
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/06/2011 09:42 AM, Tom Davies wrote: is it possible to copypaste the config folder from Windows to GnuLinux As a general rule of thumb, yes. The major exceptions are: * executable and quasi-executable files. (Mainly, but not exclusively extensions.) * Junk that the OS wants/requires. (This is mainly, but not exclusively a Windows thing.) Galleries don't always take as expected. Fonts don't work. (I have no idea why they are in that directory in the first place. Unless the config folder I tried transferring has things left over from OOo 1.x.) and to Mac? I don't have a Mac, and don't have access to a Mac. Pre Mac OS X, you couldn't do that, because a file was constructed from two different, separate strings of bits. Since Mac OS X is based upon BSD, it should be possible, with the same caveats as switching between Linux and Windows. jonathon - -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOaDzHAAoJEIda1rvbz/7L8oMIAIAYCIWKxOSRu1gF60b9L3RO 30gfA0SACf61VmiWjisulUzK3XtLey+qo9T8R0XEkqDBmFd4Y348LJypv0cKPjDp mNwkfS/Kew9iGYr+FVz0X8FKisXrq4tah3T0+EHORb79gRg2CYbt3YsvhUcfKk7V GE1zaYHkawPLKjRVFHXB8RrQiizg/uMynvjYyMyW/Al1he5FUXDYECCSakmd0pXJ RUVS4sRDHITjfUlc3I8YyJEb4MeTcRPDY0kg8bJR2vTCOnqcP8TZSPEwGvEQkiwt M20XYUW4a0VlWJ5p2BsIIebhjrvXa2Z6o05Gr2ixns3rBJzpyKCEXB/8dMZREwU= =NhDQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base
On 08/05/2011 04:07 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote: I remain concerned about TDF's abandoning it, with the result that it slowly falls apart with each release, For all practical purposes, the database component of OOo was treated like the red haired stepchild. Under the TDF, LibO has simply continued that mistreatment. I'm planning to try using it as interface to an sqlite backend very soon, as that engine will surely meet my needs. When the discussion about which _additional_ database engine OOo should include. HSQLDB won, and SQLite lost. From my POV,the only reason HSQLDB won, was because it used Java. At the time, it was technically inferior to SQLite. In an ideal world, there would be an extension that installs SQLite as if it were built into LibO, and provide a usable UI for database creation, editing, and viewing. but the real issue for me isn't the db engine but the interface. This relates to who creates databases. There is a lot of useful theory, and practice in database construction and maintenance. For most projects, applying that theory would be helpful. Which is why database designers are very reluctant to allow non-database designers to create databases. Or, more bluntly, don't like pre-built tools that non-database designers can use, to create, and use databases. The simple reality is that when there is not an obvious, easy way to construct a database, people will use spreadsheets, blithely ignoring the fact that spreadsheets can, and will destroy their data. Then, since most people use spreadsheets instead of databases, development of database tools for Joe Sixpack gets lowered in priority, eventually reaching the point that databases for mortals are considered irrelevant. I need to be able to design and run forms. If I don't use Base to do this, what else is there in the opensource world? PERL, Python, Ruby, etc. I'm a bit baffled by the database engines that present themselves to the world bare. Apparently one just writes one's own interface for them, Historically, database engines have shipped without an interface. The user was expected to write their own UI. This presents the fewest restrictions on the database designer. By way of example: I create resources for various Bible study programs. These all use databases for the content. With a generic UI, I can't force record 31102 to be Revelation 22:21, or validate Vulgate versification as it is entered. With a custom UI, Vulgate versification can be input, and the data automatically converted to KJVA versification. For the non- IT-professional this is essentially a non-starter. Database designers are the last hold out in the IT World, thinking that they are gods, and nobody else is pure enough to do what they do. All that said, I do think that a manual that focuses on using the Base component as a front end to PosgreSQL, MySQL, Mariadb, Drizzle, MS Access, etc. A second manual, focusing exclusively on SQLite might be justified. jonathon -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base
On 08/05/2011 07:26 PM, Tom Cloyd wrote: Go forward with using Base as frontend to sqlite (which looks really wonderful, and has a nice admin. addon available in Firefox), and use it as long as Base works. The only thing that _SQLite Manager_ is good for, is eye candy. Databases can only have one table, and there is a limit on both the number of fields, and number of records it can hold. The major problem with the SQLite extension for OOo, was that it wasn't updated. Changes in either SQLite or the Base component were not incorporated into the extension. Arguably, a minor issue is/was that it relied on the Base component for the UI. Something that doesn't work to well, when dealing with binary blobs as data. The key to is constructing a domain specific language (easy with ruby), reserving direct SQL access for rarely encountered needs (as is normally done), and do output and input via text files. No pretty GUI, but real results for sure. I can live with this, AND it just might be useful to other people. That pretty much is the simplest way for Joe Sixpack to get data into a database, when all they want to do, is have their data in a database. The last time I saw a database front end that required virtually nothing of the user, was for a shareware clone of dBase 3 that was out of Redmond. Sad what you say about the database design community, but all too true. They do have valid points. However, for the typical database used by Joe Sixpack, the only data normalization that is needed, is that the correct data is put in it in the first place. Spreadsheets as an alternative? May the gods preserve us from that dark day. The Human Genome Project is just one major scientific research,f or which all the data can be rejected off the bat as invalid, because of known data destruction by Excel. jonathon -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Book sales, 2010-2011
On 28/06/2011 21:47, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: T It's what Lulu passes on to us. Why are you using Lulu? It doesn't cost that much more to setup an account with LSI, which will give the material far more credibility. I suspect this number will increase as more people discover them. Not with Lulu as your publisher. Brick and mortar book stores will not stock books from Lulu. It's a service for those who want printed copies. The only place they will find it, is on the Lulu website. Amazon does not list it. jonathon -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors
On 21/06/2011 00:13, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Hmm, interesting. What constitutes doing business in a state? That literally depends upon the state. It can range from attendance at a trade show, to having an office with employees, a bank account, and an in-state telephone. most of ODFAuthors membership, and the server on which its website is hosted, are located outside the USA. That might not make any difference. jonathon -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ODFauthors
On 19/06/2011 23:02, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Possibly relevant information: because ODFAuthors as an organisation has no legal standing, FWIW, Under US Law, ODFAuthors is an unincorporated non profit organization. A separate legal entity from _Friends of Open Document, Inc_. Precisely what rights that gives it, depends upon the state in which it does business. jonathon -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Apache OpenOffice.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/06/2011 21:38, Jean Weber wrote: I don't know what this will mean for us in the OOo and LibO docs groups, but I am concerned about the potential for further fragmentation of a small group of docs people into working on several projects. If The Apache Software Foundation does what they normally do with projects, there will not be a binary release of Apache OpenOffice.org. There will only be a source code release. The onus will be on third parties to deliver binaries. Given the history of third party distribution of OOo binaries, I suspect that tracking the third parties that deliver binaries that are either based upon, or exclusively Apache OpenOffice.org code to non-trivial. I don't see typical OOo end-users grabbing the Apache OpenOffice.org source code, and compiling it for their system. We really need to work on better ways to reuse material without time consuming rebranding +1 OTOH, I'm not sure how much material will be reusable. In updating _OOo in a Multi-Lingual Environment_, my original theory was to include OOo4Kids, and OOoLight. Due to the differences between those programs, and OOo, I had to either write: This can not be done using OOo4Kids or else write a completely different set of instructions. Instructions that, as often as not, did not work with either OOo, or LibO. by automating everything we can and choosing not to do some non-essential things that can't be automated. The practical issue is: * Which existing OOo derivatives/variants should the Documentation Project track; * What criteria should be used, to determine which new derivatives/variants should be tracked; Existing OOo derivatives/variants are: # FLOSS: * GO-Oo; * BrOffice; * LibreOffice; * OOo4Kids; * OOoLight; * OpenOffice.org; * OxygenOffice; # Proprietary: * 602Office; * Co-Create Office; * EuroOffice; * KaiOffice; * MagyarOffice; * MyOffice 2007; * NeoOffice; * NextOffice; * OfficeOne; * OpenOffice Pro; * OpenOffice UX PL; * OpenOffice PL; * RedOffice; * StarOffice/Oracle OpenOffice; * Symphony; * ThizOffice; * UPOffice; * WPOffice; I put that list together, based on various pages on the web. Not all of those programs are still distributed. jonathon - -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN8ewkAAoJEERA7YuLpVrV8HEH/RukCJDYCR5T7WteFqAu0Iw3 Udp2F49WQynqzsr/B4dFTX17PwL/oDVZDLqtNgpDykcyqK1nOVRB4X8KUt9Vf8y9 GOyVOBAQjp9Tc3zxbsp8UdPbErSVfkBD4Nwvy7Ht+WDZkGy35xqgINS/MkvE50E7 XM2ZNbojVUNLrF609mgPLZddKEReB4+aKaPZa+vijuC+vdPAlTIz6FsBBOpARbEg WiaihWK8s9sDKfpuad1Q5TJOqZ5vMd7pfqfnhnEZC/gHEav9vVQcOMWdT6fjyf21 8o1Zab0SwXD95hN/4FHfVMWF9rH1fhMoNWLnT+q2AH9xBO9AzNvkatSvoTNiJvY= =F9A9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New Project
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/06/2011 12:21, Renata Marques wrote: Beyond the Klaibson's ebook, we have another book about completion of course work formatting (like monographys). I think can be a good idea translate it to English, if don't exists another similary. It is Creative Commons as well. Could you be specific about which book you are referring to: * Apostila do Curso Básico de LibreOffice; * Faça seu TCC usando o BrOffice Writer; Both of them are CC-BY-SA 3.0 BR In reading through them, I didn't think either of them were too specific to Brazil to be useful for those outside of Brazil. jonathon - -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN8kYNAAoJEERA7YuLpVrVuPgH/30tWZeEGODh8DTHJmHm8DoJ aXzjBhs/N59kQX7ZrMWSKpkbM8NHJTXpbPnIQendJX3jL+SxQOp5JAfOo8ikGrDN R48gsKSsf1elWheZZcQs4LYt4GWhc5AHdtsaPJbrUm3i1uWMFWu9y0T7nCoOludW 6tfUqmt0guQszrQ4jw7bDX/T71JoAAIt7mhGJh/i8iHf3wZ9eS1C6Hbq2pWiCbgv AMj+JyfHypFgyWJamiWi6Sau603i5KdDKy1mMQFGWuMZ2khc6z60A5uhUTzYXEHO zjqlqvAaGshCgZp7C/qpiA+aSnh6mdVcgCHBAbQikUKpNGKVguLRQoOJWIlhBFI= =co5G -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New Project
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/06/2011 16:40, Renata Marques wrote: I'm talking about the Faça seu TCC usando o BrOffice Writer (Make your completion of course work using BrOffice Writer). When I read it, I instantly thought cheat sheet. IMNSHO, the only addition it needs, is how to do spell checking, and it would be perfect for the LibreOffice NA DVD. (Maybe the measurements would have to be converted to inches, to satisfy people in the united states.) jonathon - -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN8kt5AAoJEERA7YuLpVrVBGMIAIdJJaQx0vZtGhmuILDNRHf2 S+E6usFCsSRWvDmtAPxZn39Ay0+CeTIPEtJUBVo2an5I+OyoEBn0Tl9K1Oe9FUFA Gh1QAwLcn+Zvih7swmOWAlQG8XJ6W/A7wOWtJBSw4XN73NFKVwbB+AEhAHmhzzLk 9OOCNwPwaE1L/ovfOC4PK15vC9NBEvQtrquhmOF/jnYT19MGqe1baf13M0D5qS17 o86T3RGmjjrPg3L1HbNRr28XVMywFxhQfr4XwNZqJ7NiXctSxgxxR8zfUBxPXEYm CLVaucWJtDW0oAhwdo/gJg5wcMGoaHGMRVhUEwknTjqd2bCu9jLPXCuy96p0Xr0= =KjGF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Template Thoughts and Update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/2011 09:36 AM, John M. Dlugosz wrote: Is there a tool to show what fonts are being used in the document? TestFonts can generate a list of fonts used in a document. That doesn't mean that it catches fonts used in the wrong place, thought. You can obtain it from http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/TestFonts . Note: It works with some builds/versions of LibO, but not with others. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNUDn3AAoJEERA7YuLpVrV18AH/33Yrz10h2WmxN689Oi8ErgX I34lxytWcaIq0g9KdO+OYCeICf7lAVVbg0J8TCxGzeNolHU5T9SKIdvTbzr4YZPL QaWDpYEr4iL6q8NOB6axZ6o3WKAqH/3xr9PiMW+oGsz7xRC72L3XNcTH2pKp4vJd 0IfKClXT672ZX9atYKMoE3ldYpix+u/3c9SxKOX1FSbQ+glq1fwsefaQRl/rN/5P o3UeUAWAPbtW/c98n3D5waAmQDa91TQfz1nTrKNPqz8hGMMK5X/V+NI3dp5R2dGu j+51KU/D9REgacqUrKT4+3xLLdUjANoSMYCxN+T6fK8+BgNIzbGIHbW9HXFk9GA= =ayI5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
