[Drakelist] Drake Station For Sale
Hi Guys, Anyone looking for an upgraded complete C line here in VE3-land...? There was one just listed on The Ontario Swap Shop for $600.00: http://www.kwarc.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/kwarc/arcdbs Please note that I have no financial / personal interest in this listing whatever---I offer it merely as a service to the Drake community... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] Fwd: Drake Station For Sale
Hi Guys, If this link was bad for you, I've copied the complete ad for your convenience, below: Ryan Jagoe VA3RNJ [905-895-9488] in Holland Landing ON has listed the following: For Sale(last updated 12-06-2011, listed 12-06-2011) Manufacturer: Drake Model: T-4XC, R-4C, MS-4 Price: $600 Very good physical and working condition Drake T-4XC, R-4C and MS-4 with AC-4 power supply. Microphone is Drake 7075. Also included are the original instruction manuals for both receiver and transmitter in very good to excellent condition. R-4C has Sherwood Engineering Inc AMP--4 upgraded audio amplifier. Also have Sherwood Engineering Inc PD-4 MK II R-4C Product Detector board upgrade. Have board but not installed in radio. All product and installation instructions included. T-4XC S/N 29613 R-4C S/N 27852 Offers will be considered. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ *** Begin forwarded message: From: Eddy Swynar deswy...@xplornet.ca Date: December 8, 2011 8:17:45 AM EST To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Drake Station For Sale Hi Guys, Anyone looking for an upgraded complete C line here in VE3-land...? There was one just listed on The Ontario Swap Shop for $600.00: http://www.kwarc.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/kwarc/arcdbs Please note that I have no financial / personal interest in this listing whatever---I offer it merely as a service to the Drake community... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you
Say a ham has an T4XC transmitter and matching R4C receiver that he states in his ad they are in Collector Condition. So what do you picture in your mind when you read an ad using those words? ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you
I have used words to that effect but always state the reference scale as the CCA condition metric scale that references SPECIFIC features for different ratings. THings like Original paint, dents, chips, panel scratches, mods, panel lettering, etc all roll into it. Google the Collins Collectors Assoc. Site for the condition scale for more info. Curt On 12/8/2011 2:02 PM, Kevin Elliott wrote: Say a ham has an T4XC transmitter and matching R4C receiver that he states in his ad they are in Collector Condition. So what do you picture in your mind when you read an ad using those words? ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you
So what do you picture in your mind when you read an ad using those words? A high price. :o) From: Kevin Elliott kg...@yahoo.com To: drakelist@zerobeat.net drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you Say a ham has an T4XC transmitter and matching R4C receiver that he states in his ad they are in Collector Condition. So what do you picture in your mind when you read an ad using those words? ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you
Here is the link to the CCA Grading: http://www.collinsradio.org/html/cca_grading.html Also note the differences in restored grading v. original condition grading. Curt KU8L On 12/8/2011 2:02 PM, Kevin Elliott wrote: Say a ham has an T4XC transmitter and matching R4C receiver that he states in his ad they are in Collector Condition. So what do you picture in your mind when you read an ad using those words? ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you
Kevin: Sorry for the glib answer I gave earlier, but the term collector quality is so subjective as to be completely meaningless without further definition on the part of the seller. Even grading standards are highly subjective, and you'll get four different grades from three different people who apply a standard to a given piece of gear. It's like asking what something is worth. BTW, I stand behind my intial answer! 73, Jim W2BVM From: Kevin Elliott kg...@yahoo.com To: drakelist@zerobeat.net drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you Say a ham has an T4XC transmitter and matching R4C receiver that he states in his ad they are in Collector Condition. So what do you picture in your mind when you read an ad using those words? ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] New toy
Hi Guys, My wife bought me an Ipad recently. I used it to make a you tube video of my latest project and a little shack tour. It is Drake related indirectly. Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3LSM-sGxxI Don't worry this isn't spam, it's really from me. Bob K6GGO ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you
Hi Jim: Absolutely! It is sooo difficult to quantify condition. Anyone that is considering the purchase of a true collector radio, at an elevated price, like any collectable, would do well to inspect in person or get a known authority to do same--else, take your chances. If you never expect it to be above average, you will rarely be disappointed. There are very very few mint rigs out there that are older than a year. Finally, the worst clause in a description is: .for its age. Like this radio is perfect considering its age...or ..absolutely mint for a radio of this vintageThese are laughable in many cases...I call it the door-stop scale of collectable radio grading Cheers, Curt KU8L On 12/8/2011 2:40 PM, Jim DiMauro wrote: Kevin: Sorry for the glib answer I gave earlier, but the term collector quality is so subjective as to be completely meaningless without further definition on the part of the seller. Even grading standards are highly subjective, and you'll get four different grades from three different people who apply a standard to a given piece of gear. It's like asking what something is worth. BTW, I stand behind my intial answer! 73, Jim W2BVM *From:* Kevin Elliott kg...@yahoo.com *To:* drakelist@zerobeat.net drakelist@zerobeat.net *Sent:* Thursday, December 8, 2011 2:02 PM *Subject:* [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you Say a ham has an T4XC transmitter and matching R4C receiver that he states in his ad they are in Collector Condition. So what do you picture in your mind when you read an ad using those words? ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net mailto:Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you
Here is a sample of a description I did for a collector Condition rig. It is not perfect as it had to fit in a limited space, but it might give you a few ideas of what to ask and/or what to state in an offer. Even being as objective as I can be, someone would still need to know my reputation for accurate descriptors in order to trust in the sale. BTW, this offer was at about 30% above the market for a claimed-working, as is example. Curt I have worked on several of these TS-700A's over the past couple of years and this is the 2nd nicest one I have seen. Using the Drake/Collins grading standard, this 700A is a VERY GOOD ++ . Nearly un-molested as far as I could see, (Some of the wire wrap posts have been soldered but it was done neatly.) No mods that I can see, and only a couple of very neatly done maintenance-type repairs. You will have to look very carefully to tell it has been serviced. I have checked this rig out thoroughly on the bench side-by-side with an IC-211. The VFO is on frequency and the offsets work. All modes function as they should. Output is as close to spec as I can measure. The knobs and front face are excellent. No scratches or rub-offs. (the band selector has a scuff on the face you can see in the pictures--not a scratch--just a scuff) All the lighting works. The case is very good. There are a couple of scuffed areas on the top. The scuffs are not thru the paint and may be able to be polished out. I have made NO effort to cover, touch-up, or otherwise hide any scuffs or scratches. There are a few minor scratches thru the paint on the bottom of the case. The pictures tell the story. The leather handle is in very good condition. Includes the original 9 pin acc plug and the original AC power cord. (could convert it to DC if you want to). I DO NOT have a mic to include. Will include PDF copies of the Operators and Service Manuals on CD. You can view an album of photos of this rig at: http://picasaweb.google.com/captcurt08/TS700A?feat=directlink I will guarantee your satisfaction with this rig..If you don't think it is as I represent, or it does not meet your expectations, return it to me in the same condition, by the same transport means and I will send you a full refund. I will be happy to answer questions or provide more info. Use eMail. ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you
Kevin, I see loads of replies below your post that I'm going to read after I offer my opinion so as not to taint it. Collector condition, first of all, needs to be considered excellent by the same standards as I've seen used by Collins collectors and on WB4HFN's page. There should be minimum signs of wear and no scratches. On the earlier sets, the copper should be blemish-free and shiny. All controls should operate as new. The original-issue or NOS tubes should be there (Sylvanias and sometimes RCA, IIRC). Obviously, it should perform to as-new specs. There should be absolutely no mods and should have the original cord, washers, screws, etc. As the years go by, the condition will need to be tempered by the realities of the need to replace electrolytic capacitors and other parts that may have a shelf-life (high-value resistors) - even if that life is 50 years. Having the original box and manual helps. Again, I'm talking about a museum piece and not the equivalent of what the tool collectors call a user. While such a piece is a wonder to see, I'm happier to find the upper-end of very good - especially if it's dusty. I make a little rig money fixing them up :) 73, Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. - Joe Walsh If the above message appears, it came from Steve's Son of Laptop! - Original Message - From: Kevin Elliott To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you Say a ham has an T4XC transmitter and matching R4C receiver that he states in his ad they are in Collector Condition. So what do you picture in your mind when you read an ad using those words? -- ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you
If you're shelling out more than 2x the typical price, you either need to have hi-res photos of every square inch and all views - with and without covers. Beyond the 2x point, I'd much prefer seeing it in the flesh. I did see a TR-4CW going for nearly a grand on eBay recently. It looked nice, but for that kind of dough, it had better be mint. Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. - Joe Walsh If the above message appears, it came from Steve's Son of Laptop! - Original Message - From: Curt To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you Hi Jim: Absolutely! It is sooo difficult to quantify condition. Anyone that is considering the purchase of a true collector radio, at an elevated price, like any collectable, would do well to inspect in person or get a known authority to do same--else, take your chances. If you never expect it to be above average, you will rarely be disappointed. There are very very few mint rigs out there that are older than a year. Finally, the worst clause in a description is: .for its age. Like this radio is perfect considering its age...or ..absolutely mint for a radio of this vintageThese are laughable in many cases...I call it the door-stop scale of collectable radio grading Cheers, Curt KU8L On 12/8/2011 2:40 PM, Jim DiMauro wrote: Kevin: Sorry for the glib answer I gave earlier, but the term collector quality is so subjective as to be completely meaningless without further definition on the part of the seller. Even grading standards are highly subjective, and you'll get four different grades from three different people who apply a standard to a given piece of gear. It's like asking what something is worth. BTW, I stand behind my intial answer! 73, Jim W2BVM From: Kevin Elliott kg...@yahoo.com To: drakelist@zerobeat.net drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you Say a ham has an T4XC transmitter and matching R4C receiver that he states in his ad they are in Collector Condition. So what do you picture in your mind when you read an ad using those words? ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist -- ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you
Curt, that's a perfect example of the type of ad needed for well-above-average stuff. The low-angle, raking light/sunlight also makes sure that the buyer knows that there are some blemishes, so there are no surprises. Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. - Joe Walsh If the above message appears, it came from Steve's Son of Laptop! - Original Message - From: Curt To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] What does Collector Condition mean to you Here is a sample of a description I did for a collector Condition rig. It is not perfect as it had to fit in a limited space, but it might give you a few ideas of what to ask and/or what to state in an offer. Even being as objective as I can be, someone would still need to know my reputation for accurate descriptors in order to trust in the sale. BTW, this offer was at about 30% above the market for a claimed-working, as is example. Curt I have worked on several of these TS-700A's over the past couple of years and this is the 2nd nicest one I have seen. Using the Drake/Collins grading standard, this 700A is a VERY GOOD ++ . Nearly un-molested as far as I could see, (Some of the wire wrap posts have been soldered but it was done neatly.) No mods that I can see, and only a couple of very neatly done maintenance-type repairs. You will have to look very carefully to tell it has been serviced. I have checked this rig out thoroughly on the bench side-by-side with an IC-211. The VFO is on frequency and the offsets work. All modes function as they should. Output is as close to spec as I can measure. The knobs and front face are excellent. No scratches or rub-offs. (the band selector has a scuff on the face you can see in the pictures--not a scratch--just a scuff) All the lighting works. The case is very good. There are a couple of scuffed areas on the top. The scuffs are not thru the paint and may be able to be polished out. I have made NO effort to cover, touch-up, or otherwise hide any scuffs or scratches. There are a few minor scratches thru the paint on the bottom of the case. The pictures tell the story. The leather handle is in very good condition. Includes the original 9 pin acc plug and the original AC power cord. (could convert it to DC if you want to). I DO NOT have a mic to include. Will include PDF copies of the Operators and Service Manuals on CD. You can view an album of photos of this rig at: http://picasaweb.google.com/captcurt08/TS700A?feat=directlink I will guarantee your satisfaction with this rig..If you don't think it is as I represent, or it does not meet your expectations, return it to me in the same condition, by the same transport means and I will send you a full refund. I will be happy to answer questions or provide more info. Use eMail. -- ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] Question about 2-BQ Alignment
Thanks Garey - I managed to find the sweet spot for the L2 adjustment, and the 2BQ seems to be working as advertised. I plan on running the 2B over the weekend to see if it cuts out again. If so, I will unplug the 2BQ and see if that helps. Many thanks Ferris - NB6T -Original Message- From: Garey Barrell [mailto:k4...@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:17 PM To: Ferris Jennings Cc: Drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Question about 2-BQ Alignment Ferris - 1. Normal 2. This adjustment is to compensate for the capacitance of the IF cable. This is the coaxial part of the leads. Be sure the 2-BQ is OFF and in NOTCH position. If you have replaced the IF cable it may be the wrong type or too long or short. If original it should peak, although it is a very broad peak. 3. Again, possible IF cable trouble. The cable is tied directly to the Grid of the 3rd Mixer, and if it shorts, it kills the receiver! Next time it does it, just pull the connector with power one and see if it comes back immediately. If it does, then there is a problem, most likely with the IF cable or it's connector. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com Ferris Jennings wrote: Gents (and Ladies) - I'm trying to align a very nice Drake 2-BQ and have a few questions: 1-When I switch on the 2B, the 12AX7 in the 2-BQ glows very bright for a second, then quickly fades to two tiny glows. Is this normal? The tube diagram shows two filaments, but not sure about this burst of light at power on. 2-Attempting to do the alignment procedure as provided in the 2B manual; attempting to adjust L2 of the 2BQ to get a peak S-meter reading does nothing - the meter doesn't go up or down. I've gone roughly a turn CW and CCW from the initial position, and nothing. Any comments? 3-Twice this has happened in the past ten hours of operation; after a few hours, with the 2-BQ connected, the 2B seems to lose all sensitivity and audio out. Moving the Preselector doesn't increase output noise, nor does cranking the AF Gain full CW. If I switch off the 2B, unplug the 2-BQ, then switch on the 2B, things return to normal. I have switched out all the tubes; still happened. All in all, both the 2B and 2-BQ seem to work great even with the above concerns. Any help from the experienced would be greatly appreciated. 73 Ferris NB6T ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
