Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Ray T. Mahorney]

in the US there do not appear to be any subsidies and there should not be 
because this type of equipment 
is a want rather than a need.  To your other question I'm afraid that's a 
chicken and egg question.  There 
are to my knowledge less than a dozen blind or visually impaired DSTAR users 
but, if the radios were out 
there that number would increase.  A number of blind hams have expressed 
interest in DSTAR but when I 
explained that an unfortunate shortfall with the radios was that accessibility 
was not designed into the 
radios from the beginning they were put off a bit.  The dongle is somewhat more 
usable but the need to be 
tied to a PC or craptop limits the usability and convenience of the device. As 
I said if accessibility 
were built into the radios from the beginning the number of blind and visually 
impaired users would 
increase.  Perhaps not significantly but more would be able to access the 
technology.  Icomm does make 
provision for accessibility and computer control in their low band radios so it 
should not be much of a 
leap to make the same provisions for an emerging technology such as DSTAR.
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA
UK call sign M0WGA

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From: "john_ke5c" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:47
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR 
transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880


> for those of you who were able to read that page did the usability
enhancements go any way toward
> accessibility?
> Ray T. Mahorney
> WA4WGA
> UK call sign M0WGA

Ray, but what is the size of the accessibility market for DStar
radios?  How many potential customers are there to offset the
development costs required?  Are there any government subsidies to
offset such costs?  Thanks in advance,

73 -- John





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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Ken Livingston]

I am somewhat interested in the GPS mic.  I wonder if it's backwards
compatible with the ID-91AD, for instance.  If it is, I hope they sell the
mic separately so I can pick one up without having to buy a whole new radio.

Of course, the "GPS mic" may just be a fancy way of saying "Look!  There's a
NMEA serial input directly on the handi-mic!"

Ken
KK4KEN

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From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of mwaldron1
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:16 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR
transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

They did not elaborate on what their improvements were, just that they
had made some. Mostly that page is a simple press release with a
photo, it's very very light on actual information. I suspect more will
come as Dayton gets closer.

-Mike

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Ray T. Mahorney"
 wrote:
>
> for those of you who were able to read that page did the usability
enhancements go any way toward 
> accessibility?
> Ray T. Mahorney
> WA4WGA
> UK call sign M0WGA
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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[John Hays]

I would suspect, based on the 92AD, that it's GPS-in-the-Mike  
especially since the mike is also supposed to display GPS info  
(Buddy's friend's translation: "The hand-held ID80 comes with an  
optional GPS mike that displays the user's
current position and sends that information to the other  
person")   I wouldn't hold my breath on backwards compatibility  
for the 91AD, but its all speculation at this point.


On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Ken Livingston wrote:

> I am somewhat interested in the GPS mic. I wonder if it's backwards
> compatible with the ID-91AD, for instance. If it is, I hope they  
> sell the
> mic separately so I can pick one up without having to buy a whole  
> new radio.
>
> Of course, the "GPS mic" may just be a fancy way of saying "Look!  
> There's a
> NMEA serial input directly on the handi-mic!"
>
> Ken
> KK4KEN
>
>











John Hays
Amateur Radio: K7VE
j...@hays.org






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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Gordon Dick]

Hi John:
I had a Japanese translator do a little translation for me.  Doesn't appear to 
anything to earth shattering in the models.  What was passed along to me was 
that until you see and English version pop up on either the Japanese site or 
ICOM America/Canada there's a possibility that it will not be an export model 
to North America.
Gord - ve7fky

 For a picture perfect time
check out:  http://www.mountainsunsets.com





From: John Hays 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:33:26 PM
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR 
transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880


I would suspect, based on the 92AD, that it's GPS-in-the-Mike 
especially since the mike is also supposed to display GPS info 
(Buddy's friend's translation: "The hand-held ID80 comes with an 
optional GPS mike that displays the user's
current position and sends that information to the other 
person")   I wouldn't hold my breath on backwards compatibility 
for the 91AD, but its all speculation at this point.

On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Ken Livingston wrote:

> I am somewhat interested in the GPS mic. I wonder if it's backwards
> compatible with the ID-91AD, for instance. If it is, I hope they 
> sell the
> mic separately so I can pick one up without having to buy a whole 
> new radio.
>
> Of course, the "GPS mic" may just be a fancy way of saying "Look! 
> There's a
> NMEA serial input directly on the handi-mic!"
>
> Ken
> KK4KEN
>
>

John Hays
Amateur Radio: K7VE
j...@hays.org

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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Nate Duehr]

All you have to do is watch the FCC site to see when they apply for  
FCC approval... lots of new rigs show up there first...

Nate WY0X

On Jan 28, 2009, at 11:06 PM, Gordon Dick wrote:

> Hi John:
> I had a Japanese translator do a little translation for me. Doesn't  
> appear to anything to earth shattering in the models. What was  
> passed along to me was that until you see and English version pop up  
> on either the Japanese site or ICOM America/Canada there's a  
> possibility that it will not be an export model to North America.
> Gord - ve7fky
>
> For a picture perfect time
> check out: http://www.mountainsunsets.com
>
> 
> From: John Hays 
> To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:33:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and  
> mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880
>
> I would suspect, based on the 92AD, that it's GPS-in-the-Mike
> especially since the mike is also supposed to display GPS info
> (Buddy's friend's translation: "The hand-held ID80 comes with an
> optional GPS mike that displays the user's
> current position and sends that information to the other
> person")  I wouldn't hold my breath on backwards compatibility
> for the 91AD, but its all speculation at this point.
>
> On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Ken Livingston wrote:
>
> > I am somewhat interested in the GPS mic. I wonder if it's backwards
> > compatible with the ID-91AD, for instance. If it is, I hope they
> > sell the
> > mic separately so I can pick one up without having to buy a whole
> > new radio.
> >
> > Of course, the "GPS mic" may just be a fancy way of saying "Look!
> > There's a
> > NMEA serial input directly on the handi-mic!"
> >
> > Ken
> > KK4KEN
> >
> >
>
> John Hays
> Amateur Radio: K7VE
> j...@hays.org
>
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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Erik Finskas]

Still no three-band mobile or handheld.

Have to go with Kenwood TM-741 and Satoshi's DV Adapter then to be able 
to talk D-STAR on all three bands.

Erik

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[justin Mann]

How difficult is it to build a d-star board for the kenwood radio's?  Can ou
find one form a ts2000?

 

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From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Erik Finskas
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:05 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile
D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

 

Still no three-band mobile or handheld.

Have to go with Kenwood TM-741 and Satoshi's DV Adapter then to be able 
to talk D-STAR on all three bands.

Erik

 



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Scott Heath]

 Hey, this is all so cool.
 Where are all you guys finding out about this stuff? I don't see anything on 
the web site!  

 For pictures of my mobile station, go to this link:
   http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2630240

Scott Heath  (AF4KK)  



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[jack]

Justin, from what I have seen before there is not a board for it as yet.
And Kenwood is not building DStar yet.

---Original Message---
 
From: justin Mann
Date: 1/29/2009 9:14:09 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile
D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880
 
How difficult is it to build a d-star board for the kenwood radio's?  Can ou
find one form a ts2000?
 
 
 
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From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Erik Finskas
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:05 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile
D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880
 
 
 
Still no three-band mobile or handheld.
 
Have to go with Kenwood TM-741 and Satoshi's DV Adapter then to be able
to talk D-STAR on all three bands.
 
Erik
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[larry allen]

Greetings...
Sorry for not being more 'up to date' myself... But when you mention of three 
bands, which bands are you speaking about... I assume the first two bands are 2 
meters and 450.. but which is the other band?..
Just asking...
Larry ve3fxq

  - Original Message - 
  From: Erik Finskas 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile 
D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880


  Still no three-band mobile or handheld.

  Have to go with Kenwood TM-741 and Satoshi's DV Adapter then to be able 
  to talk D-STAR on all three bands.

  Erik



   

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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Ray T. Mahorney]

on a somewhat related note While in the UK I was told that the only drawback to 
that board was that it 
tied you to a PC is this correct?
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA
UK call sign M0WGA

- Original Message - 
From: "justin Mann " 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 08:45
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR 
transceivers, ID-80 and 
ID-880


How difficult is it to build a d-star board for the kenwood radio's?  Can ou
find one form a ts2000?



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On Behalf Of Erik Finskas
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:05 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile
D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880



Still no three-band mobile or handheld.

Have to go with Kenwood TM-741 and Satoshi's DV Adapter then to be able
to talk D-STAR on all three bands.

Erik





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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Barry A. Wilson]

Larry,

 

   It is 2m, 70cm, 1.2ghz

 

  A full D-STAR Stack will operate on the 144MHz, 440MHz, and 1.2GHz bands.
Note below that if you have 1.2 GHz you actually have a DV Repeater and a DD
Repeater in addition to the VHF and UHF repeater. Yeah 1.2GHZ is actually
UHF but we don't refer to it as such in Amateur Radio since UHF goes to
3GHz.  So if you own a D-STAR radio and have a repeater controller you
should be able to route to any module in the stack, thus go in on any
frequency and come out on any other frequency (e.g. access the VHF repeater
and come out on any one or all repeaters VHF>VHF, VHF>UHF, VHF>1.2 or
VHF>VHF,UHF, 1.2)

 

ID-RP2C Repeater Controller

ID-RP2D 1.2GHz DD Mode RF Module

ID-RP2V 1.2GHz DV Mode RF Module

ID-RP2000V 144MHz DV Mode RF Module

ID-RP4000V 430(440)MHz DV Mode RF Module 

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

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On Behalf Of larry allen
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:36 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile
D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

 

Greetings...
Sorry for not being more 'up to date' myself... But when you mention of
three bands, which bands are you speaking about... I assume the first two
bands are 2 meters and 450.. but which is the other band?..
Just asking...
Larry ve3fxq

- Original Message - 
From: Erik Finskas 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile
D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

Still no three-band mobile or handheld.

Have to go with Kenwood TM-741 and Satoshi's DV Adapter then to be able 
to talk D-STAR on all three bands.

Erik

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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Peter]

Nate, 

Could you give a pointer as to the page on the FCC web site that gives this
info.

Thanks

Peter



[See message 6652]

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Bob Cumming]

Larry et al

1.2GHZ is the other D-Star band - many D-Star sites offer this 
frequency both voice and DD Mode (128K Data)

Icom did make a Quad Band HT (I still Use it) for FM - the 
IC-T81A  Nice little HT the same size as the IC91 & IC92.  It covers 
50, 144, 440 and 1.2 bands in one neat package.  Also the IC 910 Base 
station offers 2m & 70 CM + a add on module for 1.2 GHz.

I will bug Icom's reps in 2 weeks at the Orlando HamCation again 
about adding 1.2 to their radios for D-Star (a module for the IC 910 
would be great)

VRY 73
Bob Cumming
W2BZY
Sys Op K1XC (and the coming W4PLB) Dstar systems
QRV 160M - 9CM + 3CM (5760 next)
from EL98hr

At 11:36 AM 1/29/2009, you wrote:

>Greetings...
>Sorry for not being more 'up to date' myself... But when you mention 
>of three bands, which bands are you speaking about... I assume the 
>first two bands are 2 meters and 450.. but which is the other band?..
>Just asking...
>Larry ve3fxq

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[kd0ajz]

I have an Icom IC-92AD, handy talkie and talk D-Star everyday. It is pretty 
cool. 

What would be the difference from the new hand held that the 92AD doesn't have? 

That is if they told you. 



Thanks 

James 

KD0AJZ 


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From: "Gordon Dick"  
To: "dstar digital"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:06:56 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR 
transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880 






Hi John: 
I had a Japanese translator do a little translation for me. Doesn't appear to 
anything to earth shattering in the models. What was passed along to me was 
that until you see and English version pop up on either the Japanese site or 
ICOM America/Canada there's a possibility that it will not be an export model 
to North America. 
Gord - ve7fky 

For a picture perfect time 
check out: http://www.mountainsunsets.com 

 
From: John Hays < j...@hays.org > 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:33:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR 
transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880 

I would suspect, based on the 92AD, that it's GPS-in-the-Mike 
especially since the mike is also supposed to display GPS info 
(Buddy's friend's translation: "The hand-held ID80 comes with an 
optional GPS mike that displays the user's 
current position and sends that information to the other 
person")  I wouldn't hold my breath on backwards compatibility 
for the 91AD, but its all speculation at this point. 

On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Ken Livingston wrote: 

> I am somewhat interested in the GPS mic. I wonder if it's backwards 
> compatible with the ID-91AD, for instance. If it is, I hope they 
> sell the 
> mic separately so I can pick one up without having to buy a whole 
> new radio. 
> 
> Of course, the "GPS mic" may just be a fancy way of saying "Look! 
> There's a 
> NMEA serial input directly on the handi-mic!" 
> 
> Ken 
> KK4KEN 
> 
> 

John Hays 
Amateur Radio: K7VE 
j...@hays.org 

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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[John Hays]

http://dstarusers.org/  == check the Reporting Node for "A" --- you'll  
see some activity.


On Jan 30, 2009, at 7:00 PM, genedathe wrote:

> How many of you repeater owners have an active 1.2 DV repeater on the
> air? Do you see any actual use?
>
>
>







John Hays
Amateur Radio: K7VE
j...@hays.org



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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Nate Duehr]

On Jan 30, 2009, at 8:00 PM, genedathe wrote:

> How many of you repeater owners have an active 1.2 DV repeater on the
> air? Do you see any actual use?
>

Light use on W0CDS-A, but a few users.  The economic down-turn has  
certainly curtailed my interest in buying an ID-1 for the moment, for  
example... and I'm one of the techs on the system.
> I'm curious about this because, IMHO, 1.2 DV has very little to offer.
> 1.2 is strictly line of sight, and one really needs a high gain
> antenna and expensive feedline for reliable work. Why operate on a
> band where losses are so high, when 2M will triple the range with a
> far less expensive radio?
>

I think you're generally right for LOW altitude sites.  Our site here  
in Colorado is blessed with roughly 5000' HAAT, and with 3/4" hardline  
feeding a directional panel antenna (we combined the DV and DD systems  
using TX-RX products) pointed at the "center" of Denver, mobile users  
are finding the 1.2 works fine.  DD is also very interesting.  Mobile,  
it gets too much multi-path and pings fail while in motion, but they  
resume at every stop light and fixed locations work fine.
> Please note, 1.2 DD is a different animal. In Minneapolis/St Paul,
> you can set up your ID-1 anywhere around the metro and repeat that
> 128kbps data stream all over--They got the WOW factor going on with
> that network!
>

Most of us in data networking see a 128Kb/s half-duplex network as  
quite a long ways from "wow" these days.  Tethering to my cell phone  
is faster on both CDMA and GSM networks now, and my house has a burst  
speed of 16Mb/s down, and 2Mb/s up... so, 128 Kb/s is ultra-limited in  
my thinking.  But as a ham interested in having "alternative  
networks", it's cool.

$2000 a pop for the modules is a bit much, at first glance, but  
amortized over a ten year lifespan, it's only $200 a year to have some  
fun, though... so not really that bad.  Hams are spoiled with using  
cast-off commercial gear for our repeaters, and think D-STAR is  
"expensive" when it adds a LOT of functionality for very little  
additional cost on VHF/UHF.  1.2 GHz definitely has a higher financial  
barrier to entry for the average ham, though.

Expecting D-STAR to be the "hot" thing beyond ten years, probably  
isn't wise though -- hopefully there are other digital voice and data  
alternatives by then.

Nate WY0X

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Bob Cumming]

Gene

There are many 1.2 DV repeaters on the air 
(mostly because Icom offered them Free to groups 
buying a 2M and 70 CM Dstar repeater).  1.2 isn't 
just a line of sight band, just ask any Weak 
Signal enthusiast.  I'v worked Central TX from FL 
on all VHF+ bands through 3456 MHz on 
SSB.  Advantages are small antenna sizes (great 
for those living in deed restricted communities) 
Not that mine are small (55 el on 1296) and the 
lack of interference from non Ham sources.

As to feedlines, there is a lot of 7/8' Andrews 
Hardline showing up at major hamfests for 
reasonable prices.  Also usable is 75 Ohm CATV Hardline (SWR is only 1.5:1).

As to antennas - for mobile use it can be simple 
- Look at: Kent Britain, WA5VJB, has designed a 
pretty good mobile antenna, that most of us are 
capable of constructing. Look at 
http://www.wa5vjb.com/references/1200MHzant.pdf
 
Its on the k5tit.org web site under forums.

Its a great band - Lets use it before we lose it.

VRY 73
Bob Cumming
W2BZY
QRV 160M - 9CM + 3CM (5760 next)
from EL98hr

Also Repeater Chairman - Orlando Amateur Radio Club
K1XC - 2M, 70CM & 23 CM Central Orlando
Coming soon
W4PLB - North Orlando

1.2 is just like any of our higher bands- If we 
don't use them we'll lose them - This is Prime 
Real Estate for the Cel industry if we lose it.

At 10:00 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:

>How many of you repeater owners have an active 1.2 DV repeater on the
>air? Do you see any actual use?
>
>I'm curious about this because, IMHO, 1.2 DV has very little to offer.
>1.2 is strictly line of sight, and one really needs a high gain
>antenna and expensive feedline for reliable work. Why operate on a
>band where losses are so high, when 2M will triple the range with a
>far less expensive radio?
>
>Please note, 1.2 DD is a different animal. In Minneapolis/St Paul,
>you can set up your ID-1 anywhere around the metro and repeat that
>128kbps data stream all over--They got the WOW factor going on with
>that network!
>
>73 de NAØG Gene
>
>


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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Mark Thompson]

I have used  both 23 cm FM & D-STAR Digital Voice repeaters with my ID-1 mobile 
 in Chicago. 

In a flat, urban area like Chicago 23cm works extremely well. It works 
particulary well in downtown Chicago amongst the tall buildings. 

On 23cm FM there is no noticeable mobile signal flutter like there is on 2m or 
70cm. 
 
Additionally, there is also no intermod on the band unlike 2m or 70cm. 

By the way, the RP2D modules are NOT data repeaters. They are access points. 
73, Mark, WB9QZB
Chicago, IL 





From: genedathe 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:00:05 PM
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR 
transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

How many of you repeater owners have an active 1.2 DV repeater on the
air?  Do you see any actual use?

I'm curious about this because, IMHO, 1.2 DV has very little to offer.
1.2 is strictly line of sight, and one really needs a high gain
antenna and expensive feedline for reliable work.  Why operate on a
band where losses are so high, when 2M will triple the range with a
far less expensive radio?

Please note, 1.2 DD is a different animal.  In Minneapolis/St Paul,
you can set up your ID-1 anywhere around the metro and repeat that
128kbps data stream all over--They got the WOW factor going on with
that network!

73 de NAØG  Gene  




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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Jay Maynard]

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 03:00:05AM -, genedathe wrote:
> How many of you repeater owners have an active 1.2 DV repeater on the
> air?  Do you see any actual use?

I don't, but then I'm the only user on my entire stack. :-)

>  1.2 is strictly line of sight, and one really needs a high gain
> antenna and expensive feedline for reliable work.  Why operate on a
> band where losses are so high, when 2M will triple the range with a
> far less expensive radio?

Actually, 440 is the better choice, IMAO, because it's usually much easier
to get a pair on that band, and everything else - duplexer, antennas, and so
on - are smaller and easier to deal with. If all else is the same, I'd
strongly recommend a single-band system go on 440.

Once upon a time, however, I had a Standard 440/1200 handheld, and actually
got to use it on 1200 a few times. 1200 wasn't that hard to deal with, and
fuzzy memory (it's been 20 years now) seems to tell me that it actually
penetrated buildings better than 440, though that could be an artifact of
the systems involved.
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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Peter Scherp]

I like to see the 3 band ,too.
ut one question to the group: HT  1,2 GHZ 1 Watt or more on 7 -9 db antenna
,is the ERP not already a little Danger for your Eyes?
My 1,2 GHZ repeater has a 14.9 DB Commet Antenna,she scares me already,I
havve a 90 Watt Amp on 1,2 GHZ for the DD.But not installed yet. with the
7/8 able 100feet,it is oer 1000Watt ERP,right.
Like my Microwave oven here in the shop.
How Danger is it? Any one here from that field to Explain please.  Thanks.
   AI4UE  from AK4EG  Repeater.

Note: We make over 50 miles with the 1,2 Ghz Voice Module in Transmit.Still
have prolems with the Receive,
Maybe someone has a Tip for this. Like :what is a good prehamp,and where to
get it?


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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[beamar]

A few comments about 23 cm. I used to operate an analog 23 cm repeater. It 
was located at the same (urban) site as a 440 repeater. They got almost 
identical coverage. Obstructions are problem for 23 cm. A brick wall can 
literally be 
a brick wall for a 23 cm signal. But, as several people pointed out, that 
short wavelength will sneak it's way around obstructions. I once carried on a 
QSO, 
from an underground parking garage. I have no idea how the signal made it's 
way out of there, but, it did. I could hear nothing on 2M or 440, down there. 
For a base station or repeater, height is everything. You need to be above the 
surrounding obstructions. We use a Downeast Microwave preamp on our DV 
repeater. Steve tuned it to our frequency. It made a huge difference. As to DD, 
we 
are still learning. Evans, KD4EFM, Clyde WD4LWG and myself are going to start 
learning what we can do with an ID-1, over the next few months.

Buddy Morgan WB4OMG
KJ4ACN Lakeland, FL Trustee


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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Nate Duehr]

On Jan 31, 2009, at 4:36 AM, Peter Scherp wrote:

> I like to see the 3 band ,too.
> ut one question to the group: HT 1,2 GHZ 1 Watt or more on 7 -9 db  
> antenna
> ,is the ERP not already a little Danger for your Eyes?
> My 1,2 GHZ repeater has a 14.9 DB Commet Antenna,she scares me  
> already,I
> havve a 90 Watt Amp on 1,2 GHZ for the DD.But not installed yet.
>

Send the amp back and save your money, I'd say.  If the repeater can't  
hear as well or better than it gets out, it's an alligator.

Unless you've done something to augment the repeater's receiver  
performance, the additional transmit power might "fill in a few holes"  
but it'll also make your repeater users think they're in good coverage  
areas when they are not.

Build "balanced" systems...

Just my $0.02.  Not enough to buy a cup of coffee.

Nate WY0X

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Nate Duehr]

On Jan 31, 2009, at 6:47 AM, genedathe wrote:

> Thanks for the comments, Nate.
>
> I'm just stirring the pot here for fun.
>

Totally understandable.  I've NEVER done that.  ;-)
> I see 1.2DV as nothing new, as I have many radios that reach repeaters
> now...
>

Also understand.  The issue here might be... if you're going to have  
an ID-1 and do DD (your comments below), it's nice not to HAVE to have  
a VHF/UHF rig with you if your D-STAR repeater "stack" has at least  
two bands (1.2 DV and "something else"), and you can talk to the kids  
over on VHF from your 1.2 rig, by just callsign routing to your other  
module or their callsign, and not have to have two rigs with you at  
all times.  Having both 1.2 DD and 1.2 DV at the repeater site would  
make that difference.

Also if your area does happen to have a 1.2 GHz analog FM repeater or  
two still around, you'll have a way to access those also.  We still  
have ours here, but it's dead... the club is considering replacing it  
with D-STAR...

> I see 1.2DD as the real performance upgrade: My laptop goes plug and
> play into my ham radio (ID-1), and now my laptop can reach a repeater,
> and talk to other laptops. My "wow" is not the speed, but the
> capability. Off the shelf file transfer, how cool is that?
>

Be careful here... as someone pointed out, the DD module isn't really  
a "repeater" per se.  It's a data access point.  It gets you from your  
laptop to the network up at the mountain and gets NAT'ed out to the  
Internet.  You can certainly "reach another laptop" by pushing a file  
to a server on the net, and him pulling it back from there, but it's  
not a digipeater between you and him.  Certainly not a problem for  
communications, but it's not what some people expect when they read  
about the high-speed data system.  Other people (I think) have figured  
out how to either use the Icom Gateway computer as a file/chat/ 
whatever server on the internal network range, and/or have installed  
other PC's at the site in the private network range, but I don't see  
any need to have a server that's only available to those on D-STAR.   
Might as well make it public, and you can now get to it from D-STAR,  
your house, your cell modem, whatever.  Just my opinion...

(And since I don't have an ID-1, our local users probably know more  
about what it can and can't do right now than I do.  I'm happy to be  
corrected on any of the above.)

Nate WY0X

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[John D. Hays]

Gene,

I personally don't know if it is reporting DD vs DV - but it does give 
an indication that 23cm is being used.

genedathe wrote:
>
> John, I'm confused; by searching as you suggest, does that tell me if
> the activity was DV or DD? How do you distinguish? Thanks!
>
> 73 de NAØG Gene
>
> -
>


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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Bob McCormick W1QA]

On the W1KK system we recently upgraded the 23cm
duplexer to be a triplexer.  And we've got a new
antenna and a couple of hundred feet of 1 5/8 
that will be going up as soon as the WX permits.

With decent HAAT 23cm plays quite well ...
not much different than 33cm and we have a lot
of new 33cm systems that have been deployed 
here in New England.

Bob W1QA

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Evans Mitchell KD4EFM / AFA4TH FL / WQFK-894]

We are getting some use down here in Florida, you need to go over to
the dstaar-gateway group and read up on the new testing we are doing
with the DD boxes and the ID-1.

 
Evans F. Mitchell
KD4EFM / AFA4TH FL / WQFK-894

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From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of genedathe
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:00 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Disarmed} [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and
mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

How many of you repeater owners have an active 1.2 DV repeater on the
air? Do you see any actual use?

I'm curious about this because, IMHO, 1.2 DV has very little to offer.
1.2 is strictly line of sight, and one really needs a high gain antenna
and expensive feedline for reliable work. Why operate on a band where
losses are so high, when 2M will triple the range with a far less
expensive radio?

Please note, 1.2 DD is a different animal. In Minneapolis/St Paul, you
can set up your ID-1 anywhere around the metro and repeat that 128kbps
data stream all over--They got the WOW factor going on with that
network!

73 de NAØG Gene 



 

RE: {Disarmed} Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

[Evans Mitchell KD4EFM / AFA4TH FL / WQFK-894]

 FIRST OF ALL, DO NOT INSTALL AN AMP ON THE DD BOX!!

Your going to save some headaches by not doing that...
there are no amps out there that can switch fast enough
for the DD boxes ask the Michigan group, been there done
that, the own the shirts!

For Voice, go ahead, we added a preamp to the KJ4ACN system and
that alone quadrupled our receive range!! with out the pre-amp,
15 miles mobile was about it
NOW, we are doing better then our PORT B... with out an RF AMP...
and we plan on putting in a 100 watt as soon as we find out why
it hates 2 1/4 inch feed line.

Evans
KJ4ACN Admin
www.florida-dstar.info
Fla. DSTAR Tech Support