RE: [DX-CHAT] Question
The problem is that then you would have no way to communicate with the pileup as a whole. Newcomers would not know your listening range and the pile would spread farther and farther, causing much problems with other users of the band. Chaos. 73, Duane, WV2B "Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm."- Ralph Waldo Emerson.
Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that then you would have no way to communicate with the pileup as a whole. Newcomers would not know your listening range and the pile would spread farther and farther, causing much problems with other users of the band. Chaos. 73, Duane, WV2B "Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm."- Ralph Waldo Emerson. You are assuming that folks will not be able to figure out where he is listening. In my experience, it is not impossible at all to figure out where the dx is listening. Often using a couple buttons I can find both ends of the qso and do it pretty quickly. The original question though dealt with the possibility that the dx is going to jump frequencies and actually call the deserving... Gary ab5rm Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] 3rd International S.R.Meeting 2006
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, David Johnson wrote: > Gentlemen DXers, > > Here is a hypothetical situation and a question. I am on a dxpedition > to a top 10 entity and lets say I'm operating on 20 meters. I'm > transmitting at 14.195 and listening 200 to 220. I tune down to my > transmit frequency and hear all kinds of intentional QRM. It's so bad > that I know the stations I am trying to work are having a bad time > hearing me. What would happen if I waited a few minutes then announced > that I am no longer working split, please call between 14.200 and 14.220 > and I will work you on your transmit frequency? > > If this has come up before, please excuse me. I will be very interested to read your comments. > > Thanks, > > Dave - K4SSU I think that's a great idea as long as the people you're calling were there when you made your announcement. It would be a good idea because no one could easily jam your transmissions, and there would be far less doubt in the minds of the stations you're woring that they're in the log if YOU call THEM on THEIR frequency. The drawback is that every new person who shows up is going to sit on 14195 saying "Where's the DX?" unless you go back there every few minutes and announce what you're doing. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
Assuming the Dx station moves around and answers callers on their own frequency, and does not work more than one caller on a particular frequency- The DX operator has no way to communicate to the pileup as a whole. They will be listening on their own frequency for the Dx to answer them, not listening for other qsos. As new stations find the pileup, or see it spotted, will likely begin spreading out farther and farther trying to be sure they are calling on a clear frequency. Even if the spread is mentioned in DX spots operators will likely try to push the edges hoping the Dx will go just a little higher to find them in the clear. Although finding the frequency of the previous qso and calling there, or where the Dx will next be listening, is a pretty basic skill to DXing, I think you will find 90% of the callers are not doing this. They sit in one spot, or pick spots at random, and call their lungs out. If they are loud enough eventually they get the contact, but not with the satisfaction of getting it because they were able to listen and choose the best place and time to call. I have been able to very easily work weak JA callers from CY9 despite many loud US and European callers by finding a relatively clear spot in the listening spread and dropping hints to the pileup. Just say "203" for example. The good DXers are listening, and within a few seconds call on that frequency. You can work 6- 10 stations before the crowd listen long enough to catch on. When the bedlam starts, find another fairly clear spot and again just mention the frequency. The best Dxers get the contact easily, while many others blindly call barely taking a breath. I have put many good JA operators in the log this way. But- that was not the question. Really, except perhaps in the biggest pileups, split would not be needed if operators were able to listen and use timing. Obviously, this is not possible. Stations simply cannot contain themselves enough to call when the DX asks QRZ or otherwise indicates he is ready for a call, and not transmit the rest of the time. But, too many stations must transmit all the time, even if the DX has identified another station and is trying to work it. They transmit when they are not the station identified, and often even while the Dx station is transmitting, hence split is needed. But, anyone who has been a Dxer for more than 5 minutes knows this. What is the solution to the qrm on the DX frequency? Well, if someone doesn't know the DX is woking split, or by accident is on the wrong VFO, or whatever, it would be no problem if ppeople had the smallest amount of self control. If the offending station is calling with proper timing, when the Dx says QRZ, or is otherwise ready for a call, calling on the DX transmit frequency is of no consequence other than a waste of time for the caller. The trouble is the lack of self control which requires many listeners to try to enlighten this individual. They are now transmitting when the DX is transmitting, rendering the DX inaudible to many. Is there a solution? Apparently not. These are likely not new or inexperienced DXers. Education hasn't worked, expecting people to change their personality or develop self control is a lost cause. The bedlam will continue. What about intentional qrmers? Nothing short of direction finding and enforcement by Governments will have any effect on that, and that simply will not happen. What choice does the Dx have but to continue on the best he can, and work those fortunate enough to hear him through the bedlam? I have even monitored stations intentionally interfering with high seas rescue operations where lives hung in the balance. If people with transmitting equipment are sick enough to do that, how can we expect any less regarding Dx operations? There are many possible motives involved in qrming a particular Dx operation, and expecting the ones doing such things to somehow develop self control and concern for one's fellow man is not realistic. Can we somehow come up with new ways to circumvent the problem of qrm on the DX transmit frequency? Maybe, but I don't think answering callers on their own frequency is the way. I think this has been done before, resulting in massive chaos. 73 for now, Duane, WV2B "Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm."- Ralph Waldo Emerson.
Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
Many times through the years when a DX station has asked for "up" several times and is ignored they have immediately gone QRT.look forward to this in the future also. 73 Norm K1AA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question Assuming the Dx station moves around and answers callers on their own frequency, and does not work more than one caller on a particular frequency- The DX operator has no way to communicate to the pileup as a whole. They will be listening on their own frequency for the Dx to answer them, not listening for other qsos. As new stations find the pileup, or see it spotted, will likely begin spreading out farther and farther trying to be sure they are calling on a clear frequency. Even if the spread is mentioned in DX spots operators will likely try to push the edges hoping the Dx will go just a little higher to find them in the clear. Although finding the frequency of the previous qso and calling there, or where the Dx will next be listening, is a pretty basic skill to DXing, I think you will find 90% of the callers are not doing this. They sit in one spot, or pick spots at random, and call their lungs out. If they are loud enough eventually they get the contact, but not with the satisfaction of getting it because they were able to listen and choose the best place and time to call. I have been able to very easily work weak JA callers from CY9 despite many loud US and European callers by finding a relatively clear spot in the listening spread and dropping hints to the pileup. Just say "203" for example. The good DXers are listening, and within a few seconds call on that frequency. You can work 6- 10 stations before the crowd listen long enough to catch on. When the bedlam starts, find another fairly clear spot and again just mention the frequency. The best Dxers get the contact easily, while many others blindly call barely taking a breath. I have put many good JA operators in the log this way. But- that was not the question. Really, except perhaps in the biggest pileups, split would not be needed if operators were able to listen and use timing. Obviously, this is not possible. Stations simply cannot contain themselves enough to call when the DX asks QRZ or otherwise indicates he is ready for a call, and not transmit the rest of the time. But, too many stations must transmit all the time, even if the DX has identified another station and is trying to work it. They transmit when they are not the station identified, and often even while the Dx station is transmitting, hence split is needed. But, anyone who has been a Dxer for more than 5 minutes knows this. What is the solution to the qrm on the DX frequency? Well, if someone doesn't know the DX is woking split, or by accident is on the wrong VFO, or whatever, it would be no problem if ppeople had the smallest amount of self control. If the offending station is calling with proper timing, when the Dx says QRZ, or is otherwise ready for a call, calling on the DX transmit frequency is of no consequence other than a waste of time for the caller. The trouble is the lack of self control which requires many listeners to try to enlighten this individual. They are now transmitting when the DX is transmitting, rendering the DX inaudible to many. Is there a solution? Apparently not. These are likely not new or inexperienced DXers. Education hasn't worked, expecting people to change their personality or develop self control is a lost cause. The bedlam will continue. What about intentional qrmers? Nothing short of direction finding and enforcement by Governments will have any effect on that, and that simply will not happen. What choice does the Dx have but to continue on the best he can, and work those fortunate enough to hear him through the bedlam? I have even monitored stations intentionally interfering with high seas rescue operations where lives hung in the balance. If people with transmitting equipment are sick enough to do that, how can we expect any less regarding Dx operations? There are many possible motives involved in qrming a particular Dx operation, and expecting the ones doing such things to somehow develop self control and concern for one's fellow man is not realistic. Can we somehow come up with new ways to circumvent the problem of qrm on the DX transmit frequency? Maybe, but I don't think answering callers on their own frequency is the way. I think this has been done before, resulting in massive chaos. 73 for now, Duane, WV2B "Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm."- Ralph Waldo Emerson.
Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
At 10:01 03/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the solution to the qrm on the DX frequency? Well, if
someone doesn't know the DX is woking split, or by accident is on
the wrong VFO, or whatever, it would be no problem if ppeople had
the smallest amount of self control. If the offending station is
calling with proper timing, when the Dx says QRZ, or is otherwise
ready for a call, calling on the DX transmit frequency is of no
consequence other than a waste of time for the caller.
If I recall, 14195 became the DX frequency because it was a place
where DX stations could TX but that Americans could not (US
privileges started at 14200 for the longest time). Maybe it's time to
revive that tradition and make 14145 the new default DX frequency on
20 SSB. It could have the added advantage of EU/JA pileups down 5 to
15 and stateside callers up 10-20 or something like that.
The advice I'd give to anyone going to a top-10 entity and operating
SSB would be to not use half the band and once in a while mention
where you're listening. That means concentrating the pile between two
hard limits ("listening 5 to 20 up") -- and staying within those
limits. That in turn means you need an operator on the DXpedition
who can run a pileup that's very intense and concentrated. Most of
the Peter1 guys were great, but a couple of their 40m CW guys would
just keep going up up up up up. 30 kHz for a CW pileup is nuts,
especially when you're not announcing where you're listening and just
saying UP.
- Peter
W2IRT
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
>What about intentional qrmers? These guys have now found another way to make it difficult for DX'ers in a "split" pile-up. They quickly find the station that's been answered by the DX-station and send a carrier over the caller instead - this also prevents the QSO to "be finished". Whatever we do, these intentional QRM'ers will be ahead of us! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC ( also SM5DXCC ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Norm Gertz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question Many times through the years when a DX station has asked for "up" several times and is ignored they have immediately gone QRT.look forward to this in the future also. 73 Norm K1AA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question What about intentional qrmers? Nothing short of direction finding and enforcement by Governments will have any effect on that, and that simply will not happen. What choice does the Dx have but to continue on the best he can, and work those fortunate enough to hear him through the bedlam? I have even monitored stations intentionally interfering with high seas rescue operations where lives hung in the balance. If people with transmitting equipment are sick enough to do that, how can we expect any less regarding Dx operations? There are many possible motives involved in qrming a particular Dx operation, and expecting the ones doing such things to somehow develop self control and concern for one's fellow man is not realistic. Can we somehow come up with new ways to circumvent the problem of qrm on the DX transmit frequency? Maybe, but I don't think answering callers on their own frequency is the way. I think this has been done before, resulting in massive chaos. 73 for now, Duane, WV2B __SNIP by SM5DQC__
RE: [DX-CHAT] Question
Peter,
Hmmm. Not a bad idea, but I'm not so sure how well it would work.
Remember, at the time that US Phone privileges started at 14.200, the 14.1 -
14.2 part of the band was filled with DX Phone. Now, while a lot of the
region below 14.150 still has DX Phone, you're also finding more and more
digital modes in the same area.
More importantly, moving the unofficial calling frequencies won't solve the
fundamental problem involved. Wherever the DX station listening "up"
transmits, on any band, you will always have the combined problems of:
1. The DX'er who accidently forgets to put his rig in split and transmits
on
top of the DX
2. The lid who deliberately neglects to put his rig in split and transmits
on top of the DX
3. The alleged DX'er who claims that they can't work split... sometimes
true, sometimes not
4. The operator (sometimes DX'er, sometimes not) who hears the DX calling,
but doesn't hear or doesn't understand "listening up" who calls on the DX's
frequency
5. The frequency cops, most of whom mean well, who transmit on top of the
DX
to try and tell the aforementioned ops that they're QRM'ing the DX... and in
the process, QRM the DX
6. The net or alleged net or sked or alleged sked that "always" operates on
or around this frequency and time, thus giving them hypothetical ownership
of the frequency range, who either demand that the DX move, the pile-up
move, or who blunder on with their QSO anyway
7. The usually innocent QSO that suddenly gets QRM from the DX and/or
pileup
due to propagation shift, who rather than move (if they can) try to blunder
on, either not knowing or not caring that they're now QRM'ing the DX &
pileup back
I can go on, and I'm sure someone will add a few, but you get the point.
Some of this can be solved by better operators... and better operators
happen when those of us who know them try to teach them or show them better.
Some of this is just, well, bad luck. And some of this is caused by that
extremely small percentage of lids (and even smaller percentage of those who
make regular lids look good) who for their own reasons of ego, perceived
slights, general mean streaks, sadism, or mental illness (diagnosed or
otherwise) enjoy making life miserable for the rest of us.
73
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Peter W2IRT
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
At 10:01 03/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>What is the solution to the qrm on the DX frequency? Well, if
>someone doesn't know the DX is woking split, or by accident is on
>the wrong VFO, or whatever, it would be no problem if ppeople had
>the smallest amount of self control. If the offending station is
>calling with proper timing, when the Dx says QRZ, or is otherwise
>ready for a call, calling on the DX transmit frequency is of no
>consequence other than a waste of time for the caller.
If I recall, 14195 became the DX frequency because it was a place
where DX stations could TX but that Americans could not (US
privileges started at 14200 for the longest time). Maybe it's time to
revive that tradition and make 14145 the new default DX frequency on
20 SSB. It could have the added advantage of EU/JA pileups down 5 to
15 and stateside callers up 10-20 or something like that.
The advice I'd give to anyone going to a top-10 entity and operating
SSB would be to not use half the band and once in a while mention
where you're listening. That means concentrating the pile between two
hard limits ("listening 5 to 20 up") -- and staying within those
limits. That in turn means you need an operator on the DXpedition
who can run a pileup that's very intense and concentrated. Most of
the Peter1 guys were great, but a couple of their 40m CW guys would
just keep going up up up up up. 30 kHz for a CW pileup is nuts,
especially when you're not announcing where you're listening and just
saying UP.
- Peter
W2IRT
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[DX-CHAT] Question
. If I recall, 14195 became the DX frequency because it was a place where DX stations could TX but that Americans could not (US privileges started at 14200 for the longest time). Maybe it's time to revive that tradition and make 14145 the new default DX frequency on 20 SSB. It could have the added advantage of EU/JA pileups down 5 to 15 and stateside callers up 10-20 or something like that. --- Why not go back to what we had back in the " good old days ", when the rare DX transmitted down around 14115-14125 and listened up. That should help with some of the splatter we ,at least in Europe, get from certain stations in the Med-area ! 73 Rag LA5HE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
This will never endthese intentional jammers are the equivalent of the "schoolyard bullies"... whether from frustration or twisted philosophies they will sadly always be with us. Norm K1AA - Original Message - From: Osten B Magnusson To: Norm Gertz ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question >What about intentional qrmers? These guys have now found another way to make it difficult for DX'ers in a "split" pile-up. They quickly find the station that's been answered by the DX-station and send a carrier over the caller instead - this also prevents the QSO to "be finished". Whatever we do, these intentional QRM'ers will be ahead of us! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC ( also SM5DXCC ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Norm Gertz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question Many times through the years when a DX station has asked for "up" several times and is ignored they have immediately gone QRT.look forward to this in the future also. 73 Norm K1AA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question What about intentional qrmers? Nothing short of direction finding and enforcement by Governments will have any effect on that, and that simply will not happen. What choice does the Dx have but to continue on the best he can, and work those fortunate enough to hear him through the bedlam? I have even monitored stations intentionally interfering with high seas rescue operations where lives hung in the balance. If people with transmitting equipment are sick enough to do that, how can we expect any less regarding Dx operations? There are many possible motives involved in qrming a particular Dx operation, and expecting the ones doing such things to somehow develop self control and concern for one's fellow man is not realistic. Can we somehow come up with new ways to circumvent the problem of qrm on the DX transmit frequency? Maybe, but I don't think answering callers on their own frequency is the way. I think this has been done before, resulting in massive chaos. 73 for now, Duane, WV2B __SNIP by SM5DQC__
Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
And how about CW DX going back to 14001-14002? Bill W5EC Why not go back to what we had back in the " good old days ", when the rare DX transmitted down around 14115-14125 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
Ron,
I must add one more as I know this for a fact. Now that we are near the
bottom of this sunspot cycle, some of those Freeband Nuts in Europe and the
US that have all that expensive ham gear can't use it much on 27 & 28 MHz.
They are having "Big Fun" QRMing ham DXpeditions and braging about it on
their web sites.
I will take this opportunity to thank all the "Gentlemen DXers" that have
responded to my question here on dx-chat and direct. It has been very
informative.
Dave - K4SSU (K4SSU/KP1)
- Original Message -
From: "Ron Notarius WN3VAW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Question
Peter,
Hmmm. Not a bad idea, but I'm not so sure how well it would work.
Remember, at the time that US Phone privileges started at 14.200, the
14.1 -
14.2 part of the band was filled with DX Phone. Now, while a lot of the
region below 14.150 still has DX Phone, you're also finding more and more
digital modes in the same area.
More importantly, moving the unofficial calling frequencies won't solve
the
fundamental problem involved. Wherever the DX station listening "up"
transmits, on any band, you will always have the combined problems of:
1. The DX'er who accidently forgets to put his rig in split and transmits
on
top of the DX
2. The lid who deliberately neglects to put his rig in split and transmits
on top of the DX
3. The alleged DX'er who claims that they can't work split... sometimes
true, sometimes not
4. The operator (sometimes DX'er, sometimes not) who hears the DX calling,
but doesn't hear or doesn't understand "listening up" who calls on the
DX's
frequency
5. The frequency cops, most of whom mean well, who transmit on top of the
DX
to try and tell the aforementioned ops that they're QRM'ing the DX... and
in
the process, QRM the DX
6. The net or alleged net or sked or alleged sked that "always" operates
on
or around this frequency and time, thus giving them hypothetical ownership
of the frequency range, who either demand that the DX move, the pile-up
move, or who blunder on with their QSO anyway
7. The usually innocent QSO that suddenly gets QRM from the DX and/or
pileup
due to propagation shift, who rather than move (if they can) try to
blunder
on, either not knowing or not caring that they're now QRM'ing the DX &
pileup back
I can go on, and I'm sure someone will add a few, but you get the point.
Some of this can be solved by better operators... and better operators
happen when those of us who know them try to teach them or show them
better.
Some of this is just, well, bad luck. And some of this is caused by that
extremely small percentage of lids (and even smaller percentage of those
who
make regular lids look good) who for their own reasons of ego, perceived
slights, general mean streaks, sadism, or mental illness (diagnosed or
otherwise) enjoy making life miserable for the rest of us.
73
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Peter W2IRT
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
At 10:01 03/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the solution to the qrm on the DX frequency? Well, if
someone doesn't know the DX is woking split, or by accident is on
the wrong VFO, or whatever, it would be no problem if ppeople had
the smallest amount of self control. If the offending station is
calling with proper timing, when the Dx says QRZ, or is otherwise
ready for a call, calling on the DX transmit frequency is of no
consequence other than a waste of time for the caller.
If I recall, 14195 became the DX frequency because it was a place
where DX stations could TX but that Americans could not (US
privileges started at 14200 for the longest time). Maybe it's time to
revive that tradition and make 14145 the new default DX frequency on
20 SSB. It could have the added advantage of EU/JA pileups down 5 to
15 and stateside callers up 10-20 or something like that.
The advice I'd give to anyone going to a top-10 entity and operating
SSB would be to not use half the band and once in a while mention
where you're listening. That means concentrating the pile between two
hard limits ("listening 5 to 20 up") -- and staying within those
limits. That in turn means you need an operator on the DXpedition
who can run a pileup that's very intense and concentrated. Most of
the Peter1 guys were great, but a couple of their 40m CW guys would
just keep going up up up up up. 30 kHz for a CW pileup is nuts,
especially when you're not announcing where you're listening and just
saying UP.
- Peter
W2IRT
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
Do you really believe that much of the same trash would be eliminated? Those who QRM now may hesitate to do the same on the frequencies used in "the good old days." However, that hesitation won't last very long. Some will use CW...Others won't care about what section of the band they are using. Check 4Øm when a rare DX station is working the U.S.A. using a wide split. One of the first evenings when Peter One came up on 4Øm SSB to work the U.S.A. Pactor operators thought nothing of coming up on top the 3YØ. I guess we'll just have to live with it. 73, Jay/AF2C At 11:22 AM 3/19/06 -0600, you wrote: And how about CW DX going back to 14001-14002? Bill W5EC Why not go back to what we had back in the " good old days ", when the rare DX transmitted down around 14115-14125 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 3/17/06
RE: [DX-CHAT] Question
At 11:05 03/19/06, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: 6. The net or alleged net or sked or alleged sked that "always" operates on or around this frequency and time, thus giving them hypothetical ownership of the frequency range, who either demand that the DX move, the pile-up move, or who blunder on with their QSO anyway 7. The usually innocent QSO that suddenly gets QRM from the DX and/or pileup due to propagation shift, who rather than move (if they can) try to blunder on, either not knowing or not caring that they're now QRM'ing the DX & pileup back Well, going outside the US phone bands would certainly take care of these, from the North American end of things at least. As for frequency cops, no, you'll never get rid of those cretins. For those who forget or have problems comprehending the term "split" and who tx out of band (I don't hear it too terribly on 40 SSB, just a couple here and there), well, just get Riley to stand by with a tape recorder and a pad of violation notices. Hey! What an idea! Have the FCC sponsor DXpeditions to Navassa and Desecheo, listen for the US lids to transmit out of band, fine' 'em all and have the national debt retired in two weekends flat! - Peter W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
We're giving the freebanders and intentional QRMers entirely too much attention and too much publicity. Going back 40+ years I can't remember a DXpedition that didn't get some QRM, though it's a lot more these days... but that just makes working the DX that much more of a challenge. Ignore those malicious QRMers. They only do it to irritate us, and when we get annoyed, they win. Every time I hear one of the Deserving lose his cool and even acknowledge the existence of these jerks, I cringe... because some idiot QRMer just got what he wanted. We need to keep our focus on the DX, play the game our way, not their way, and work the DX right over them. Pretend they are not even there. That way, we win and they lose. Something to think about. 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: "David Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ron Notarius WN3VAW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question Ron, I must add one more as I know this for a fact. Now that we are near the bottom of this sunspot cycle, some of those Freeband Nuts in Europe and the US that have all that expensive ham gear can't use it much on 27 & 28 MHz. They are having "Big Fun" QRMing ham DXpeditions and braging about it on their web sites. I will take this opportunity to thank all the "Gentlemen DXers" that have responded to my question here on dx-chat and direct. It has been very informative. Dave - K4SSU (K4SSU/KP1) - Original Message - From: "Ron Notarius WN3VAW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Question Peter, Hmmm. Not a bad idea, but I'm not so sure how well it would work. Remember, at the time that US Phone privileges started at 14.200, the 14.1 - 14.2 part of the band was filled with DX Phone. Now, while a lot of the region below 14.150 still has DX Phone, you're also finding more and more digital modes in the same area. More importantly, moving the unofficial calling frequencies won't solve the fundamental problem involved. Wherever the DX station listening "up" transmits, on any band, you will always have the combined problems of: 1. The DX'er who accidently forgets to put his rig in split and transmits on top of the DX 2. The lid who deliberately neglects to put his rig in split and transmits on top of the DX 3. The alleged DX'er who claims that they can't work split... sometimes true, sometimes not 4. The operator (sometimes DX'er, sometimes not) who hears the DX calling, but doesn't hear or doesn't understand "listening up" who calls on the DX's frequency 5. The frequency cops, most of whom mean well, who transmit on top of the DX to try and tell the aforementioned ops that they're QRM'ing the DX... and in the process, QRM the DX 6. The net or alleged net or sked or alleged sked that "always" operates on or around this frequency and time, thus giving them hypothetical ownership of the frequency range, who either demand that the DX move, the pile-up move, or who blunder on with their QSO anyway 7. The usually innocent QSO that suddenly gets QRM from the DX and/or pileup due to propagation shift, who rather than move (if they can) try to blunder on, either not knowing or not caring that they're now QRM'ing the DX & pileup back I can go on, and I'm sure someone will add a few, but you get the point. Some of this can be solved by better operators... and better operators happen when those of us who know them try to teach them or show them better. Some of this is just, well, bad luck. And some of this is caused by that extremely small percentage of lids (and even smaller percentage of those who make regular lids look good) who for their own reasons of ego, perceived slights, general mean streaks, sadism, or mental illness (diagnosed or otherwise) enjoy making life miserable for the rest of us. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter W2IRT Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question At 10:01 03/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the solution to the qrm on the DX frequency? Well, if someone doesn't know the DX is woking split, or by accident is on the wrong VFO, or whatever, it would be no problem if ppeople had the smallest amount of self control. If the offending station is calling with proper timing, when the Dx says QRZ, or is otherwise ready for a call, calling on the DX transmit frequency is of no consequence other than a waste of time for the caller. If I recall, 14195 became the DX frequency because it was a place where DX stations could TX but that Americans could not (US privileges started at 14200 for the longest time). Maybe it's time to revive that tradition and make 14145 the new default DX frequency on 20 SSB. It could have the added advantage of EU/JA pileups down 5 to 15 and stateside callers up 10-20 or so
Re: [DX-CHAT] Question
Very true Jerry.some years back when the cesspool of amateur radio 14313 existed a college professor psyciatrist who specialized in this type of behaviour gave one sentence of advice for this situation" Ignore, Ignore and Ignore" 73 Norm K1AA - Original Message - From: "Jerry Keller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question We're giving the freebanders and intentional QRMers entirely too much attention and too much publicity. Going back 40+ years I can't remember a DXpedition that didn't get some QRM, though it's a lot more these days... but that just makes working the DX that much more of a challenge. Ignore those malicious QRMers. They only do it to irritate us, and when we get annoyed, they win. Every time I hear one of the Deserving lose his cool and even acknowledge the existence of these jerks, I cringe... because some idiot QRMer just got what he wanted. We need to keep our focus on the DX, play the game our way, not their way, and work the DX right over them. Pretend they are not even there. That way, we win and they lose. Something to think about. 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: "David Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ron Notarius WN3VAW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question Ron, I must add one more as I know this for a fact. Now that we are near the bottom of this sunspot cycle, some of those Freeband Nuts in Europe and the US that have all that expensive ham gear can't use it much on 27 & 28 MHz. They are having "Big Fun" QRMing ham DXpeditions and braging about it on their web sites. I will take this opportunity to thank all the "Gentlemen DXers" that have responded to my question here on dx-chat and direct. It has been very informative. Dave - K4SSU (K4SSU/KP1) - Original Message - From: "Ron Notarius WN3VAW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Question Peter, Hmmm. Not a bad idea, but I'm not so sure how well it would work. Remember, at the time that US Phone privileges started at 14.200, the 14.1 - 14.2 part of the band was filled with DX Phone. Now, while a lot of the region below 14.150 still has DX Phone, you're also finding more and more digital modes in the same area. More importantly, moving the unofficial calling frequencies won't solve the fundamental problem involved. Wherever the DX station listening "up" transmits, on any band, you will always have the combined problems of: 1. The DX'er who accidently forgets to put his rig in split and transmits on top of the DX 2. The lid who deliberately neglects to put his rig in split and transmits on top of the DX 3. The alleged DX'er who claims that they can't work split... sometimes true, sometimes not 4. The operator (sometimes DX'er, sometimes not) who hears the DX calling, but doesn't hear or doesn't understand "listening up" who calls on the DX's frequency 5. The frequency cops, most of whom mean well, who transmit on top of the DX to try and tell the aforementioned ops that they're QRM'ing the DX... and in the process, QRM the DX 6. The net or alleged net or sked or alleged sked that "always" operates on or around this frequency and time, thus giving them hypothetical ownership of the frequency range, who either demand that the DX move, the pile-up move, or who blunder on with their QSO anyway 7. The usually innocent QSO that suddenly gets QRM from the DX and/or pileup due to propagation shift, who rather than move (if they can) try to blunder on, either not knowing or not caring that they're now QRM'ing the DX & pileup back I can go on, and I'm sure someone will add a few, but you get the point. Some of this can be solved by better operators... and better operators happen when those of us who know them try to teach them or show them better. Some of this is just, well, bad luck. And some of this is caused by that extremely small percentage of lids (and even smaller percentage of those who make regular lids look good) who for their own reasons of ego, perceived slights, general mean streaks, sadism, or mental illness (diagnosed or otherwise) enjoy making life miserable for the rest of us. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter W2IRT Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Question At 10:01 03/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the solution to the qrm on the DX frequency? Well, if someone doesn't know the DX is woking split, or by accident is on the wrong VFO, or whatever, it would be no problem if ppeople had the smallest amount of self control. If the offending station is calling with proper timing, when the Dx says QRZ, or is otherwise ready for a call, calling on the DX transmit frequency is of no consequence other
[DX-CHAT] OT: [N3SH] RFI issues with the neighbors
If anyone on the list can give Steve some suggestions, please email him directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] He's a good guy, up to his eyeballs, and if anyone deserves a chance to be QRV on those rare occasions when he has time, it's Steve. [BTW, the Breezeshooters contest referred to is the annual groundwave 10 meter contest sponsored by the local 10 meter group (who preceed 10-10 by, oh, about 15-20 years or so, but I digress). It used to be on Thanksgiving weekend, it's now split into a CW night (last month) and SSB night (last night)] 73, ron wn3vaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [N3SH] RFI issues with the neighbors Ok, so I'm now the designated "Channel Master" in my neighborhood. I dusted off the HF rig and actually operated for several hours last night in the Breezeshooters 10m contest. All was well until.. my backyard neighbor stopped over tonight to ask me if I was on the air last night from say, 7 until midnight. I told her I was, and then she described her daughter's "touch lamp" going on and off, and my melodious voice coming over her computer speakers. My station grounding is questionable, at best so I know I'll have to address that. Does anyone have any recommendations for filters/chokes to put on my neighbor's appliances to alleviate the interference? My only experience like this was a few years ago with a cheapie cordless phone, and a couple of snap-on chokes from the Rat-Shack did the trick. BTW- I was operating 100w SSB into my trusty Cushcraft R-5 vertical. de Steve, W3SRL Gravity. It's not just a good idea, it's the law! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] OT: [N3SH] RFI issues with the neighbors
Might want to join the RFI group http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rfi ; lots of experts there. 73 de Fred K2FRD At 20:45 -0500 19/03/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: >If anyone on the list can give Steve some suggestions, please email him >directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] He's a good guy, up to his eyeballs, and if >anyone deserves a chance to be QRV on those rare occasions when he has time, >it's Steve. > >[BTW, the Breezeshooters contest referred to is the annual groundwave 10 >meter contest sponsored by the local 10 meter group (who preceed 10-10 by, >oh, about 15-20 years or so, but I digress). It used to be on Thanksgiving >weekend, it's now split into a CW night (last month) and SSB night (last >night)] > >73, ron wn3vaw > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:16 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [N3SH] RFI issues with the neighbors > > >Ok, so I'm now the designated "Channel Master" in my neighborhood. I dusted >off the HF rig and actually operated for several hours last night in the >Breezeshooters 10m contest. All was well until.. my backyard neighbor >stopped over tonight to ask me if I was on the air last night from say, 7 >until midnight. > >I told her I was, and then she described her daughter's "touch lamp" going >on and off, and my melodious voice coming over her computer speakers. > >My station grounding is questionable, at best so I know I'll have to address >that. Does anyone have any recommendations for filters/chokes to put on my >neighbor's appliances to alleviate the interference? My only experience >like this was a few years ago with a cheapie cordless phone, and a couple of >snap-on chokes from the Rat-Shack did the trick. > >BTW- I was operating 100w SSB into my trusty Cushcraft R-5 vertical. > >de Steve, W3SRL -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] HS on WPX
Hey WPXers Please turn ur beams to Thailand once and a while I call myself blue in face when the rest of the world has beams on EU or US or whatever Several Thailand stations will be active on WPX contest and hope to be heard sometime We have both HS and E2 prefixes and make nice mults if only u will listen for us. 73, HS0ZCW Charly Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
