[Dx4win] Dx4Win Updates

[David Pollard]

I have not been seeing any new updates for at least the last couple of
weeks and I know that there have been country updates at the very least.  I
am running 9.09.1259.  Any suggestions?  Thanks for any help.  73, Dave,
N5IT.
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[ON4AOI]

Hi Paul,
I explain some more,
All the programs are starting from WSJT-X (author K1JT) open source and
Make different screens etc. BUT they all use the same HAMLIB rigfiles. 
For instance Yaesu FT-817ND - FT857 - FT897 are not working with these hamlib 
rigfiles
After I complained so many times they finally will look into it deeper.

Check WSJT-X webpage also problems

   Release: WSJT-X 2.1.2
 November 26, 2019
   -

WSJT-X 2.1.2 is a bug fix only release which fixes a major regression
in the Hamlib package bundled with WSJT-X v2.1.1. 

This was for ICOM radio problems

 
   Release: WSJT-X 2.1.1
 November 25, 2019
   -
   
WSJT-X 2.1.1 is a bug fix only release addressing regressions in the
prior v2.1.0 release.

All new radio's are not direct compatible with these third party hamlib files 
so can't work either

This is my point Paul, when you have a rig that works with these hamlib files 
it's ok.
But when it doesn't work and have to wait until they fix it or make a driver 
for it 
You have a problem, If Radio is not connected it can broadcast wrong data to 
DX4WIN.
At this point it's your own mistake and you can correct b4 upload. 
But If it gets automatically uploaded on LoTW etc some could or will write
this garbage is sended out by DX4WIN users .. 

 
Guy  

-Original Message-
From: Paul GRANGER  
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 3:14 PM
To: ON4AOI ; 'REFLECTOR dx4win' 
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Updates

Hi Guy, Hi all
I am not a specialist, but what is the problem when the FT8 (to make it
short) programs get the frequency from the rig (therefore is correct), logs it 
into the adif file that everyboidy knows about, and DX4Win can "eat" that 
informlation automatically ?
I see no room for mistakes...
Well, I must admit I see no way how you can make a mistake using ythose 
programs and call o the wrong period, like several people have done. If yoy 
doucble-click on the station you want to call, there is no way you can do a 
mistake,... Anyway, this is another matter...
Which other programs do not have the UDP broadcast ? Anyone here using them ? 
Or just the 3 you mentioned ?

If people's logs have mistakes, whether they auto-upload or they upload later, 
they will both carry the error

My 3 cents !
73
Paul F6EXV

Le 12/01/2020 à 14:13, ON4AOI a écrit :
> Paul (F6EXV) and others HNY 2020,
> Concerning your wish list I have some serious doubts if this be a full 
> idiot prove upgrade.
> With the option "Enable logged contact ADIF broadcast" Paul, I should 
> write the program"DX4WIN" can listen to the UDP broadcasts when using 
> the latest versions of WSJT-X - MHSV - JTDX and log that contact.
> - But what about WSJT or other programs without this option that users 
> may use ?
> - These programs depend on Hamlib radiofiles and I know 100% sure 
> there are Rigs that are not supported or give errors all the time.
> - In this case you have to disable your rig and use the program like 
> it is except for fox-hunt it will work ok, but when you change bands 
> and forget to change to the correct band your log will be incorrect.
> That's why I have been always against auto upload to LoTW-eQSL-Clublog
>
> "IF" Auto upload to LoTW- eQSL - Clublog would be a fact "THEN"  it 
> will create so much garbage and keeping those servers busy all the 
> time like It is already with eQSL.
> Daily I get wrong eQSL's in my inbox, most of the time its wrong band 
> or mode
>
> My point is that grabbing broadcasts from the UDP server and log it 
> would be a nice feature but Never auto upload like some other programs 
> do and create massive garbage.
>
> Manually creating LoTW etc uploads doesn't consume that much time and 
> in case something is wrong With your log you normally will see it b4 
> you upload.
>
> My 2 cents
> Guy ON4AOI - OT7K
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  
> On Behalf Of Paul GRANGER
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:20 PM
> To: REFLECTOR dx4win 
> Subject: [Dx4win] Updates
>
> Hi all
> To the developper team,
> Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to 
> interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to 
> ClubLog, automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW.
> LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with 
> other logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something 
> equivalent be expected ?
>
> I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be 
> imlemented.
>
> 73
> Paul F6EXV
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[Paul GRANGER]

Hi Guy, Hi all
I am not a specialist, but what is the problem when the FT8 (to make it 
short) programs get the frequency from the rig (therefore is correct), 
logs it into the adif file that everyboidy knows about, and DX4Win can 
"eat" that informlation automatically ?
I see no room for mistakes...
Well, I must admit I see no way how you can make a mistake using ythose 
programs and call o the wrong period, like several people have done. If 
yoy doucble-click on the station you want to call, there is no way you 
can do a mistake,... Anyway, this is another matter...
Which other programs do not have the UDP broadcast ? Anyone here using 
them ? Or just the 3 you mentioned ?

If people's logs have mistakes, whether they auto-upload or they upload 
later, they will both carry the error

My 3 cents !
73
Paul F6EXV

Le 12/01/2020 à 14:13, ON4AOI a écrit :
> Paul (F6EXV) and others HNY 2020,
> Concerning your wish list I have some serious doubts if this be a full idiot
> prove upgrade.
> With the option "Enable logged contact ADIF broadcast" Paul, I should write
> the program"DX4WIN" can listen
> to the UDP broadcasts when using the latest versions of WSJT-X - MHSV - JTDX
> and log that contact.
> - But what about WSJT or other programs without this option that users may
> use ?
> - These programs depend on Hamlib radiofiles and I know 100% sure there are
> Rigs that are not supported
> or give errors all the time.
> - In this case you have to disable your rig and use the program like it is
> except for fox-hunt it will work ok,
> but when you change bands and forget to change to the correct band your log
> will be incorrect.
> That's why I have been always against auto upload to LoTW-eQSL-Clublog
>
> "IF" Auto upload to LoTW- eQSL - Clublog would be a fact
> "THEN"  it will create so much garbage and keeping those servers busy all
> the time
> like It is already with eQSL.
> Daily I get wrong eQSL's in my inbox, most of the time its wrong band or
> mode
>
> My point is that grabbing broadcasts from the UDP server and log it would be
> a nice feature
> but
> Never auto upload like some other programs do and create massive garbage.
>
> Manually creating LoTW etc uploads doesn't consume that much time and in
> case something is wrong
> With your log you normally will see it b4 you upload.
>
> My 2 cents
> Guy ON4AOI - OT7K
>
>    
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
> Behalf Of Paul GRANGER
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:20 PM
> To: REFLECTOR dx4win 
> Subject: [Dx4win] Updates
>
> Hi all
> To the developper team,
> Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to
> interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to ClubLog,
> automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW.
> LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with other
> logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something equivalent be
> expected ?
>
> I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be
> imlemented.
>
> 73
> Paul F6EXV
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[ON4AOI]

Paul (F6EXV) and others HNY 2020,
Concerning your wish list I have some serious doubts if this be a full idiot
prove upgrade. 
With the option "Enable logged contact ADIF broadcast" Paul, I should write
the program"DX4WIN" can listen
to the UDP broadcasts when using the latest versions of WSJT-X - MHSV - JTDX
and log that contact.
- But what about WSJT or other programs without this option that users may
use ?
- These programs depend on Hamlib radiofiles and I know 100% sure there are
Rigs that are not supported
or give errors all the time.
- In this case you have to disable your rig and use the program like it is
except for fox-hunt it will work ok,
but when you change bands and forget to change to the correct band your log
will be incorrect.
That's why I have been always against auto upload to LoTW-eQSL-Clublog  

"IF" Auto upload to LoTW- eQSL - Clublog would be a fact 
"THEN"  it will create so much garbage and keeping those servers busy all
the time 
like It is already with eQSL.
Daily I get wrong eQSL's in my inbox, most of the time its wrong band or
mode

My point is that grabbing broadcasts from the UDP server and log it would be
a nice feature
but 
Never auto upload like some other programs do and create massive garbage.

Manually creating LoTW etc uploads doesn't consume that much time and in
case something is wrong
With your log you normally will see it b4 you upload.

My 2 cents
Guy ON4AOI - OT7K

  


-Original Message-
From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
Behalf Of Paul GRANGER
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:20 PM
To: REFLECTOR dx4win 
Subject: [Dx4win] Updates

Hi all
To the developper team,
Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to
interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to ClubLog,
automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW.
LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with other
logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something equivalent be
expected ?

I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be
imlemented.

73
Paul F6EXV
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[Raymundo Rodriguez]

> I agree to Paul, Ricardo, Joe, Hamad, etc. about the FT8 update. It could be 
> nice to have.

Raymundo Rodriguez - YS1RR, 
Ingeniero Industrial, mba 

 Enviado desde mi iPhone X

> El ene. 11, 2020, a la(s) 5:30 a. m., Ricardo Navarrete 
>  escribió:
> 
> Totally agree It coul be a great update!!!
> 
> 
> 
> El sáb., 11 ene. 2020 9:28, Hamad 9K2HN <9k...@9k2hn.com> escribió:
> 
>> I totally agree, and i hope to see this new features soon in dx4win
>> 
>> de 9K2HN
>> Hamad
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 09:12 OZ0J Joe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I agree to Paul about the issues mentioned below. It could be nice to
>> have
>>> these services implemented.
>>> 
>>> 73 Joe, OZ0J
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>>> Fra: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  På
>>> vegne af n...@vci.net
>>> Sendt: 10. januar 2020 00:34
>>> Til: 'Paul GRANGER' ; 'REFLECTOR dx4win'
>>> 
>>> Emne: Re: [Dx4win] Updates
>>> 
>>> Paul, I agree that we need direct logging via UDP broadcast with
>>> WSJT-X/JTDX.  Especially before the 6 meter E season this summer.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Dave, N4QS
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
>>> Behalf Of Paul GRANGER
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:20 AM
>>> To: REFLECTOR dx4win 
>>> Subject: [Dx4win] Updates
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> To the developper team,
>>> Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to
>>> interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to
>>> ClubLog,
>>> automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW.
>>> LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with
>> other
>>> logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something equivalent
>> be
>>> expected ?
>>> 
>>> I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be
>>> imlemented.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Paul F6EXV
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[Ricardo Navarrete]

Totally agree It coul be a great update!!!



El sáb., 11 ene. 2020 9:28, Hamad 9K2HN <9k...@9k2hn.com> escribió:

> I totally agree, and i hope to see this new features soon in dx4win
>
> de 9K2HN
> Hamad
>
> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 09:12 OZ0J Joe  wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I agree to Paul about the issues mentioned below. It could be nice to
> have
> > these services implemented.
> >
> > 73 Joe, OZ0J
> >
> >
> > -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> > Fra: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  På
> > vegne af n...@vci.net
> > Sendt: 10. januar 2020 00:34
> > Til: 'Paul GRANGER' ; 'REFLECTOR dx4win'
> > 
> > Emne: Re: [Dx4win] Updates
> >
> > Paul, I agree that we need direct logging via UDP broadcast with
> > WSJT-X/JTDX.  Especially before the 6 meter E season this summer.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Dave, N4QS
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
> > Behalf Of Paul GRANGER
> > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:20 AM
> > To: REFLECTOR dx4win 
> > Subject: [Dx4win] Updates
> >
> > Hi all
> > To the developper team,
> > Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to
> > interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to
> > ClubLog,
> > automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW.
> > LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with
> other
> > logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something equivalent
> be
> > expected ?
> >
> > I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be
> > imlemented.
> >
> > 73
> > Paul F6EXV
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[Hamad 9K2HN]

I totally agree, and i hope to see this new features soon in dx4win

de 9K2HN
Hamad

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 09:12 OZ0J Joe  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I agree to Paul about the issues mentioned below. It could be nice to have
> these services implemented.
>
> 73 Joe, OZ0J
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  På
> vegne af n...@vci.net
> Sendt: 10. januar 2020 00:34
> Til: 'Paul GRANGER' ; 'REFLECTOR dx4win'
> 
> Emne: Re: [Dx4win] Updates
>
> Paul, I agree that we need direct logging via UDP broadcast with
> WSJT-X/JTDX.  Especially before the 6 meter E season this summer.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, N4QS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
> Behalf Of Paul GRANGER
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:20 AM
> To: REFLECTOR dx4win 
> Subject: [Dx4win] Updates
>
> Hi all
> To the developper team,
> Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to
> interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to
> ClubLog,
> automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW.
> LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with other
> logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something equivalent be
> expected ?
>
> I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be
> imlemented.
>
> 73
> Paul F6EXV
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[Luc]

I think we would all like a future update to add what Paul says.
But if it has not been done, it is for some reason.  Perhaps its author, or
Jim can tell us if it is viable in a future update.
Greetings to all.

73 de EA8AM   (Luciano)

El sáb., 11 ene. 2020 6:11, OZ0J Joe  escribió:

> Hi
>
> I agree to Paul about the issues mentioned below. It could be nice to have
> these services implemented.
>
> 73 Joe, OZ0J
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  På
> vegne af n...@vci.net
> Sendt: 10. januar 2020 00:34
> Til: 'Paul GRANGER' ; 'REFLECTOR dx4win'
> 
> Emne: Re: [Dx4win] Updates
>
> Paul, I agree that we need direct logging via UDP broadcast with
> WSJT-X/JTDX.  Especially before the 6 meter E season this summer.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, N4QS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
> Behalf Of Paul GRANGER
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:20 AM
> To: REFLECTOR dx4win 
> Subject: [Dx4win] Updates
>
> Hi all
> To the developper team,
> Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to
> interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to
> ClubLog,
> automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW.
> LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with other
> logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something equivalent be
> expected ?
>
> I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be
> imlemented.
>
> 73
> Paul F6EXV
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[OZ0J Joe]

Hi

I agree to Paul about the issues mentioned below. It could be nice to have
these services implemented.

73 Joe, OZ0J


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Til: 'Paul GRANGER' ; 'REFLECTOR dx4win'

Emne: Re: [Dx4win] Updates

Paul, I agree that we need direct logging via UDP broadcast with
WSJT-X/JTDX.  Especially before the 6 meter E season this summer.

73,

Dave, N4QS

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Behalf Of Paul GRANGER
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:20 AM
To: REFLECTOR dx4win 
Subject: [Dx4win] Updates

Hi all
To the developper team,
Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to
interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to ClubLog,
automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW.
LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with other
logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something equivalent be
expected ?

I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be
imlemented.

73
Paul F6EXV
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[n4qs]

Paul, I agree that we need direct logging via UDP broadcast with
WSJT-X/JTDX.  Especially before the 6 meter E season this summer.

73,

Dave, N4QS

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Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:20 AM
To: REFLECTOR dx4win 
Subject: [Dx4win] Updates

Hi all
To the developper team,
Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to
interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to ClubLog,
automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW.
LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with other
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expected ?

I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be
imlemented.

73
Paul F6EXV
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[Dx4win] Updates

[Paul GRANGER]

Hi all
To the developper team,
Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to 
interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to 
ClubLog, automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW.
LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with 
other logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something 
equivalent be expected ?

I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be 
imlemented.

73
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Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates

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On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:23 PM Dan Violette KI6X wrote:

> I think mine had updated fine.  Can't find a quick way to check version
> installed.  Tried AH2B and came up as Guam (change in new version).  File
> date of country.dat is 10/30/2019, the day I did the update (I don't do
> often but tried when these comments started).

You can't rely on the file date of country.dat - it gets re-written
every time you exit DX4WIN.

Instead, try this.  It has been this way for a long time:

http://www.country-files.com/contest/#Version

The instructions aren't technically correct for DX4WIN, but the same
principle holds:

In your logging program, try to log the callsign “VERSION” (on a
DX cluster node, use the SH/H VERSION or SH/SUN VERSION command). Each
version of the country files will return a different country (except
for Win-Test, see #3 below). That country will be indicated in the
release notes for that version.


I need to add this information to this page, but I have not had time:

http://www.country-files.com/dx4win-info/

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Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates

[Jim Rhodes]

I saw these messages come across and didn't remember when I last saw
updates, so I opened up my save directory and saw that there were new .dat
files in there from Oct. 23rd. So I am up to date. But when I type
"version" in the call field and tab the date that comes up is Oct. 16th,
the date I updated to version 9.07.

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 8:43 PM Brian Bird via DX4WIN 
wrote:

> Dan and others,
>
> I’ve sent this reply to three other people direct but thought maybe I
> should post here for everyone and let them know what I found as this seems
> to be more than just my issue.
>
> WA7AA showed me how to view my data base date. On a new add QSO window,
> type in  version in the call window and then tab. The data should show up
> as Niger with a date in the manager position. That date reflects the data
> base date. I did this and it showed 16 OCT 2019, the date of the latest
> update.
>
> So now my question is how did my program get the latest update? There is
> only the one way to update version 9 and that is under help/check for
> updates. Thinking this must have been a “senior” moment on my end but
> several of us are seeing this for whatever reason now. Something here has
> maybe changed? I cannot explain that and the next update that gets
> announced I will be looking at this very closely to see what happens. But
> for now it appears I am running the latest update and all is well.
>
> Check your data base for the date. It will be very interesting in what you
> find as it sounds like a few of us are seeing this.
>
> 73’
> Brian - NX0X
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Nov 2, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Dan Violette  wrote:
> >
> > I think mine had updated fine.  Can't find a quick way to check version
> > installed.  Tried AH2B and came up as Guam (change in new version).  File
> > date of country.dat is 10/30/2019, the day I did the update (I don't do
> > often but tried when these comments started).
> >
> > Dan KI6X
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
> > Behalf Of Mack WA4HKX
> > Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 5:40 PM
> > To: Brian Bird ; dx4win@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates
> >
> > Same here Brian. I saw Jim's email pertaining to the new country file but
> > have yet to see it in the update list when selecting Help for Updates.
> As of
> > today, it has yet to appear.
> > 73's
> > Mack WA4HKX
> >
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> 
> > From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on
> > behalf of Brian Bird via DX4WIN 
> > Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:54:10 PM
> > To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net 
> > Subject: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates
> >
> > I believe I've seen a couple of comments on this the past month or so but
> > have never really seen an answer to my knowledge.
> >
> > I'm running version 9.0.7.1230 on a windows 10 computer.
> >
> > The past month or so when trying to update the data bases in DX4WIN I run
> > into an issue,  I click on help/check for updates. The DX4WIN Update
> Status
> > box appears and is blank under the files tab. I click on OK below and it
> > comes back and says "No Updates were Installed". I'm just not seeing any
> > updates. I know there has been two updates as I've seen the email from
> Jim
> > saying so. I thought I just read another user having this same issue last
> > week and Paul said the last update went out October 16.
> >
> > Any ideas of why I am not seeing the updates now? Everything else
> appears to
> > work normally in the program.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Brian - NX0X
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[Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates

[Brian Bird via DX4WIN]

I’ve sent this reply to three other people direct but thought maybe I should 
post here for everyone and let them know what I found as this seems to be more 
than just my issue.

WA7AA showed me how to view my data base date. On a new add QSO window, type 
version in the call window and then tab. The data should show up as Niger with 
a date in the manager position. That date reflects the data base date. I did 
this and it showed 16 OCT 2019, the date of the latest update.

So now my question is how did my program get the latest update? There is only 
the one way to update version 9 and that is under help/check for updates. 
Thinking this must have been a “senior” moment on my end but several of us are 
seeing this for whatever reason. Something here has maybe changed? I cannot 
explain that and the next update that gets announced I will be looking at this 
very closely to see what happens. But for now it appears I am running the 
latest update and all is well.

Check your data base for the date. It will be very interesting in what you find 
as it sounds like a few of us are seeing this if you think your having an 
update issue.

73’
Brian - NX0X
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Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates

[Brian Bird via DX4WIN]

Dan and others,

I’ve sent this reply to three other people direct but thought maybe I should 
post here for everyone and let them know what I found as this seems to be more 
than just my issue.

WA7AA showed me how to view my data base date. On a new add QSO window, type in 
 version in the call window and then tab. The data should show up as Niger with 
a date in the manager position. That date reflects the data base date. I did 
this and it showed 16 OCT 2019, the date of the latest update.

So now my question is how did my program get the latest update? There is only 
the one way to update version 9 and that is under help/check for updates. 
Thinking this must have been a “senior” moment on my end but several of us are 
seeing this for whatever reason now. Something here has maybe changed? I cannot 
explain that and the next update that gets announced I will be looking at this 
very closely to see what happens. But for now it appears I am running the 
latest update and all is well.

Check your data base for the date. It will be very interesting in what you find 
as it sounds like a few of us are seeing this.

73’
Brian - NX0X
Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Dan Violette  wrote:
> 
> I think mine had updated fine.  Can't find a quick way to check version
> installed.  Tried AH2B and came up as Guam (change in new version).  File
> date of country.dat is 10/30/2019, the day I did the update (I don't do
> often but tried when these comments started).
> 
> Dan KI6X
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
> Behalf Of Mack WA4HKX
> Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 5:40 PM
> To: Brian Bird ; dx4win@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates
> 
> Same here Brian. I saw Jim's email pertaining to the new country file but
> have yet to see it in the update list when selecting Help for Updates. As of
> today, it has yet to appear.
> 73's
> Mack WA4HKX
> 
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> 
> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on
> behalf of Brian Bird via DX4WIN 
> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:54:10 PM
> To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates
> 
> I believe I've seen a couple of comments on this the past month or so but
> have never really seen an answer to my knowledge.
> 
> I'm running version 9.0.7.1230 on a windows 10 computer.
> 
> The past month or so when trying to update the data bases in DX4WIN I run
> into an issue,  I click on help/check for updates. The DX4WIN Update Status
> box appears and is blank under the files tab. I click on OK below and it
> comes back and says "No Updates were Installed". I'm just not seeing any
> updates. I know there has been two updates as I've seen the email from Jim
> saying so. I thought I just read another user having this same issue last
> week and Paul said the last update went out October 16.
> 
> Any ideas of why I am not seeing the updates now? Everything else appears to
> work normally in the program.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brian - NX0X
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates

[Dan Violette]

I think mine had updated fine.  Can't find a quick way to check version
installed.  Tried AH2B and came up as Guam (change in new version).  File
date of country.dat is 10/30/2019, the day I did the update (I don't do
often but tried when these comments started).

Dan KI6X

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Behalf Of Mack WA4HKX
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 5:40 PM
To: Brian Bird ; dx4win@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates

Same here Brian. I saw Jim's email pertaining to the new country file but
have yet to see it in the update list when selecting Help for Updates. As of
today, it has yet to appear.
73's
Mack WA4HKX


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Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:54:10 PM
To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates

I believe I've seen a couple of comments on this the past month or so but
have never really seen an answer to my knowledge.

I'm running version 9.0.7.1230 on a windows 10 computer.

The past month or so when trying to update the data bases in DX4WIN I run
into an issue,  I click on help/check for updates. The DX4WIN Update Status
box appears and is blank under the files tab. I click on OK below and it
comes back and says "No Updates were Installed". I'm just not seeing any
updates. I know there has been two updates as I've seen the email from Jim
saying so. I thought I just read another user having this same issue last
week and Paul said the last update went out October 16.

Any ideas of why I am not seeing the updates now? Everything else appears to
work normally in the program.

Thank you,
Brian - NX0X
Sent from my iPad
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Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates

[Mack WA4HKX]

Same here Brian. I saw Jim’s email pertaining to the new country file but have 
yet to see it in the update list when selecting Help for Updates. As of today, 
it has yet to appear.
73’s
Mack WA4HKX


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of Brian Bird via DX4WIN 
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:54:10 PM
To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates

I believe I’ve seen a couple of comments on this the past month or so but have 
never really seen an answer to my knowledge.

I’m running version 9.0.7.1230 on a windows 10 computer.

The past month or so when trying to update the data bases in DX4WIN I run into 
an issue,  I click on help/check for updates. The DX4WIN Update Status box 
appears and is blank under the files tab. I click on OK below and it comes back 
and says “No Updates were Installed”. I’m just not seeing any updates. I know 
there has been two updates as I’ve seen the email from Jim saying so. I thought 
I just read another user having this same issue last week and Paul said the 
last update went out October 16.

Any ideas of why I am not seeing the updates now? Everything else appears to 
work normally in the program.

Thank you,
Brian - NX0X
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[Dx4win] DX4WIN Updates

[Brian Bird via DX4WIN]

I believe I’ve seen a couple of comments on this the past month or so but have 
never really seen an answer to my knowledge.

I’m running version 9.0.7.1230 on a windows 10 computer. 

The past month or so when trying to update the data bases in DX4WIN I run into 
an issue,  I click on help/check for updates. The DX4WIN Update Status box 
appears and is blank under the files tab. I click on OK below and it comes back 
and says “No Updates were Installed”. I’m just not seeing any updates. I know 
there has been two updates as I’ve seen the email from Jim saying so. I thought 
I just read another user having this same issue last week and Paul said the 
last update went out October 16. 

Any ideas of why I am not seeing the updates now? Everything else appears to 
work normally in the program.

Thank you,
Brian - NX0X
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates on the updates !?

[Jim Reisert AD1C]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Bob, N5RP wrote:
> Well,
> I run 9.0.3.1160, and that is that !!
> Anything later eludes me.
>
> Somehow, I found:
> http://www.dx4win.com/files/updatesv9/

That is not the right way.

Have you tried Help | Check for Updates?

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[Dx4win] Updates on the updates !?

[Bob, N5RP]

Well,
I run 9.0.3.1160, and that is that !!
Anything later eludes me.

Somehow, I found:
http://www.dx4win.com/files/updatesv9/

I went there and downloaded, the following files:

calendar.dat
custawds.txt
islands.txt
members.dat
mstrcals.dat
prf2iota.txt
wpxdeltd.txt

I went into my DX4WIN save directory and traded out the above list of 
older dated like files

with the just downloaded newer dated versions.

All appears to work well.
I guess that is how I will update, going forward.

Bob - N5RP
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Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[Paul van der Eijk]

John,

Even better is to write your own radio driver and share the results!

All the tools to write and test a radio driver are part of DX4WIN.
See File | Databases | Radios

--Paul, KK4HD

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:18 AM, John (N1JP)  wrote:
> Good morning, I don't mean to speak for Paul but I got the impression that
> DX4WIN is here to stay.  There were complaints from some users that they had
> purchased a new radio that was not supported by DX4Win.  Paul explained on
> this forum that the only way he can support a new radio is if someone or
> somehow he can get his hands on those new radios that are not supported so
> he can write code for them.Then he can verify that his program can
> communicate with those radios for computer control.  If you bought a new
> radio that is not supported, contact Paul to make arrangements to send it to
> him.
>
> John (N1JP)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: DX4WIN [mailto:dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob
> Garrett
> Sent: March 09, 2016 22:01
> To: 'Bill Lewis'; DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?
>
> Paul,
>
>
>
> Like others, I have been very satisfied with your wonderful program.  As a
> blind ham, it is essential that I find a program that not only is very
> powerful and has lots of features but also must work with my screen reading
> software.  DX4Win does both.  Now, please just let us know your intentions.
> 73, Bob K3UL
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Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[John (N1JP)]

Good morning, I don't mean to speak for Paul but I got the impression that
DX4WIN is here to stay.  There were complaints from some users that they had
purchased a new radio that was not supported by DX4Win.  Paul explained on
this forum that the only way he can support a new radio is if someone or
somehow he can get his hands on those new radios that are not supported so
he can write code for them.Then he can verify that his program can
communicate with those radios for computer control.  If you bought a new
radio that is not supported, contact Paul to make arrangements to send it to
him. 

John (N1JP)

   

-Original Message-
From: DX4WIN [mailto:dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Garrett
Sent: March 09, 2016 22:01
To: 'Bill Lewis'; DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

Paul,

 

Like others, I have been very satisfied with your wonderful program.  As a
blind ham, it is essential that I find a program that not only is very
powerful and has lots of features but also must work with my screen reading
software.  DX4Win does both.  Now, please just let us know your intentions.
73, Bob K3UL

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Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[Bob & Janet]

I wholeheartedly agree with other users.  I have never found anything to 
compete with DX4Win.  A real wonderful, fast, reliable logging, QSL 
management system.


73 Bob VP8LP

On 10/03/2016 09:42, Doug Joyce wrote:

GM Paul:  Great program Paul - I’ve been with it since Ver 3 & can wait as well.

73,  Doug  VE3MV


On 2016-Mar-10, at 1:34 AM, Rich C  wrote:

Paul,

Thanks for that update. I am happy with the latest version and can surely
wait till you have the new release however long it takes.

Rich K7ZV


On Wed, March 9, 2016 10:59 pm, Paul van der Eijk wrote:

Recently, I managed to convert another 'component' (World Map) to my
new development environment (Delphi Seattle)

The Delphi version used for version V805 is getting old; conversion to
the current version of Delphi gives me access to more modern tools and
makes writing code more fun.

It is a slow process, especially with limited hours available to do so.


Someday a new version will see the light, but do not ask me to commit to
a date.

--Paul, KK4HD


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Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[Doug Joyce]

GM Paul:  Great program Paul - I’ve been with it since Ver 3 & can wait as 
well.  

73,  Doug  VE3MV

> On 2016-Mar-10, at 1:34 AM, Rich C  wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Thanks for that update. I am happy with the latest version and can surely
> wait till you have the new release however long it takes.
> 
> Rich K7ZV
> 
> 
> On Wed, March 9, 2016 10:59 pm, Paul van der Eijk wrote:
>> Recently, I managed to convert another 'component' (World Map) to my
>> new development environment (Delphi Seattle)
>> 
>> The Delphi version used for version V805 is getting old; conversion to
>> the current version of Delphi gives me access to more modern tools and
>> makes writing code more fun.
>> 
>> It is a slow process, especially with limited hours available to do so.
>> 
>> 
>> Someday a new version will see the light, but do not ask me to commit to
>> a date.
>> 
>> --Paul, KK4HD
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[Dx4win] RES: FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[py5eg]

Hi Folks

I´m also a user of this fantastic log software since its earlier versions. 
I really appreciate Paul effort to bring and maintain such important instrument 
taking care of our logs.
I kindly ask Paul as one of his thousands of contribution recognizers to 
continue the maintenance and development of this SW as the best and reliable 
one in the market.
Keep going my friend
73
Oms PY5EG
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Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[Rich C]

Paul,

Thanks for that update. I am happy with the latest version and can surely
wait till you have the new release however long it takes.

Rich K7ZV


On Wed, March 9, 2016 10:59 pm, Paul van der Eijk wrote:
> Recently, I managed to convert another 'component' (World Map) to my
> new development environment (Delphi Seattle)
>
> The Delphi version used for version V805 is getting old; conversion to
> the current version of Delphi gives me access to more modern tools and
> makes writing code more fun.
>
> It is a slow process, especially with limited hours available to do so.
>
>
> Someday a new version will see the light, but do not ask me to commit to
> a date.
>
> --Paul, KK4HD
>
>
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Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[Paul van der Eijk]

Recently, I managed to convert another 'component' (World Map) to my
new development environment (Delphi Seattle)

The Delphi version used for version V805 is getting old; conversion to
the current version of Delphi gives me access to more modern tools and
makes writing code more fun.

It is a slow process, especially with limited hours available to do so.

Someday a new version will see the light, but do not ask me to commit to a date.

--Paul, KK4HD

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Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[Bob Garrett]

Paul,

 

Like others, I have been very satisfied with your wonderful program.  As a
blind ham, it is essential that I find a program that not only is very
powerful and has lots of features but also must work with my screen reading
software.  DX4Win does both.  Now, please just let us know your intentions.
73, Bob K3UL

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Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[Carter Craigie]

Mine, too!
73,
Carter, N3AO

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 9:06 PM, RadioDen45  wrote:
> 
> Same here,
> 
> Dennis, k0eoo
> 
> -Original Message- From: Bill Lewis Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 
> 6:29 PM To: DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES? 
> Hello DX4winners,
> 
> It is such a shame that a select few who send offending messages can kill
> the contributions made by Paul as well as others in our hobby.
> Paul.. If you are listening, you have a wide number of appreciative
> followers who vastly outnumber those who have been rude to you.
> Unfortunately, common courtesy is gradually eroding in our world.
> 
> Paul, regardless of your decision about the future of DX4WIN, you have my
> personal thanks and well wishes.
> 
> ~ Bill W8NN
> 
> 
> Original Message-
> 
> 
>> On 3/9/2016 03:52, Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>> I, and others, have been asking the same question several times here, but
> there was never any response. I fear Paul was frustrated because of some
> offending messages and has decided to let this program die..
>> 73, Radi F6GNZ
>>  
>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:30 AM, andyphewitt
>  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>> 
>>  
>> Can anyone advise me if Paul is going to update DX4W?
>> 
>>  
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Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[tstrait]

Here, here...it's been a great run for a solid program and Paul never asked a 
lot for upgrades over the years. It always worked when many failed. I've run 
this program since changing from the DOS vetsion of DX Base and it's always 
been solid. I was a beta tester for a number of the early versions as it was 
bring developed. If this is the end of an era, it's been a good ride Paul :)
73 de Todd WM8C


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From: RadioDen45  
Date: 03/09/2016  21:06  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Bill Lewis , DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] FW:  DX4Win UPDATES? 

Same here,

Dennis, k0eoo

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Lewis 
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:29 PM 
To: DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES? 

Hello DX4winners,

It is such a shame that a select few who send offending messages can kill
the contributions made by Paul as well as others in our hobby.
Paul.. If you are listening, you have a wide number of appreciative
followers who vastly outnumber those who have been rude to you.
Unfortunately, common courtesy is gradually eroding in our world.

Paul, regardless of your decision about the future of DX4WIN, you have my
personal thanks and well wishes.

~ Bill W8NN


Original Message-


On 3/9/2016 03:52, Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN wrote:
> Hi Andy,
> I, and others, have been asking the same question several times here, but
there was never any response. I fear Paul was frustrated because of some
offending messages and has decided to let this program die..
> 73, Radi F6GNZ
>   
>
>  On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:30 AM, andyphewitt
 wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   Hi All,
>
>   
>
> Can anyone advise me if Paul is going to update DX4W?
>
>   
>

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Re: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[RadioDen45]

Same here,

Dennis, k0eoo

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Lewis 
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:29 PM 
To: DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES? 


Hello DX4winners,

It is such a shame that a select few who send offending messages can kill
the contributions made by Paul as well as others in our hobby.
Paul.. If you are listening, you have a wide number of appreciative
followers who vastly outnumber those who have been rude to you.
Unfortunately, common courtesy is gradually eroding in our world.

Paul, regardless of your decision about the future of DX4WIN, you have my
personal thanks and well wishes.

~ Bill W8NN


Original Message-


On 3/9/2016 03:52, Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN wrote:

Hi Andy,
I, and others, have been asking the same question several times here, but

there was never any response. I fear Paul was frustrated because of some
offending messages and has decided to let this program die..

73, Radi F6GNZ
  


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  Hi All,

  


Can anyone advise me if Paul is going to update DX4W?

  



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[Dx4win] FW: DX4Win UPDATES?

[Bill Lewis]

Hello DX4winners,

It is such a shame that a select few who send offending messages can kill
the contributions made by Paul as well as others in our hobby.
Paul.. If you are listening, you have a wide number of appreciative
followers who vastly outnumber those who have been rude to you.
Unfortunately, common courtesy is gradually eroding in our world.

Paul, regardless of your decision about the future of DX4WIN, you have my
personal thanks and well wishes.

~ Bill W8NN


Original Message-


On 3/9/2016 03:52, Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN wrote:
> Hi Andy,
> I, and others, have been asking the same question several times here, but
there was never any response. I fear Paul was frustrated because of some
offending messages and has decided to let this program die..
> 73, Radi F6GNZ
>   
>
>  On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:30 AM, andyphewitt
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>   
>   
>
>   Hi All,
>
>   
>
> Can anyone advise me if Paul is going to update DX4W?
>
>   
>

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Re: [Dx4win] DX4Win UPDATES?

[Barry]

I believe the lack of an answer is your answer.

Barry W2UP

On 3/9/2016 03:52, Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN wrote:

Hi Andy,
I, and others, have been asking the same question several times here, but there 
was never any response. I fear Paul was frustrated because of some offending 
messages and has decided to let this program die..
73, Radi F6GNZ
  


 On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:30 AM, andyphewitt 
 wrote:
  
  


  Hi All,

  


Can anyone advise me if Paul is going to update DX4W?

  


I have been a happy user of the prog for more years than I care to count
but I am now in the process of changing the PC in the shack for a modern
machine running Windows 10. I am therefore thinking I should be using a
modern logging program such as, maybe, Logger32. However If there is going
to be a new version of DX4W, I would prefer to continue with this.

73

Andy

G3SVD

  


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Re: [Dx4win] DX4Win UPDATES?

[Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN]

Hi Andy,
I, and others, have been asking the same question several times here, but there 
was never any response. I fear Paul was frustrated because of some offending 
messages and has decided to let this program die..
73, Radi F6GNZ
 

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:30 AM, andyphewitt 
 wrote:
 
 

 Hi All,

 

Can anyone advise me if Paul is going to update DX4W?

 

I have been a happy user of the prog for more years than I care to count
but I am now in the process of changing the PC in the shack for a modern
machine running Windows 10. I am therefore thinking I should be using a
modern logging program such as, maybe, Logger32. However If there is going
to be a new version of DX4W, I would prefer to continue with this.

73

Andy

G3SVD

 

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[Dx4win] DX4Win UPDATES?

[andyphewitt]

Hi All,

 

Can anyone advise me if Paul is going to update DX4W?

 

I have been a happy user of the prog for more years than I care to count
but I am now in the process of changing the PC in the shack for a modern
machine running Windows 10. I am therefore thinking I should be using a
modern logging program such as, maybe, Logger32. However If there is going
to be a new version of DX4W, I would prefer to continue with this.

73

Andy

G3SVD

 

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Re: [Dx4win] Updates - LPB2

[Ernie]

Lou, thanks for the tip about the LPB2 program. I didn't know it was out 
there.


I installed LPB2 and it does exactly what I need it to do. I have it 
running right now with my Yaesu FT-950, DX4Win, HDSDR and N3FJP contest 
program. They all know what the radio is doing now.


Thanks again for the 'tip of the day'.

73 Ernie W8EH


On 1/5/2014 10:59 AM, Lou Dietrich wrote:

Ernie and Group,

I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software 
offered by Larry N8LPYou can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything 
else you want to linked to your rigit works great...


The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'Hi 
Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with 
an update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!, 
sorry, editorial comment!)


Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators under 
Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This 
was reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple 
rotor controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the 
Map Screen or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of 
digital programs, MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration...


DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software. 
Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just 
flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it 
wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this 
archaic platform a long time ago.  There is little or no reason why 
AD1C's enhancements were not embraced, supported and incorporated by 
Paul.


We, dear fellow DX4WIN users, are 'caught' in an trap...move off to 
another and abandon what we have learned ...or stick with DX4WIN and 
hope someone will get this platform back on the track.


Flaming each other does little or nothing to enhance or move this 
topic forward.


73/ Regards

Lou N2TU


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Important to me:

1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my 
rig at the same time.

2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself
3. Easy way to add mode names myself

Ernie W8EH

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[Dx4win] Updates - My LoTW Opinion and a Question

[Bud Semon N7CW]

Relative to LoTW improvements:  One of the great features of DX4Win is it's
ability to handle multiple logs, whether they are DXpeditions, grid
expeditions or just a club call.  Using the Groups and Selections choices,
they can be combined or separated easily.  LoTW requires that some of these
logs be signed (by TQSL) individually (for example, an operation from a
different grid square).  I believe that any attempt to reduce the number of
"clicks" to shorten the LoTW upload process will degrade this feature.
 Incorporation of additional information from LoTW in the download process
is a great idea, although I think LoTW is not a mature system and waiting
until it settles out has some merit (the recent upgrades to TQSL are an
example).  I can handle a couple extra "clicks" for a while longer.

My question:  Can someone explain the XML interface to QRZ.com?  Is this is
an automated download of address or similar information?  In my experience,
much of the information in QRZ.com is poorly formatted and occasionally
just plain wrong.  If you only work USA stations, it is pretty consistent,
but not so for DX stations.  Help me out

Thanks, 73 and HNY to everyone.

Bud  N7CW

PS - thanks again to Jim for all his hard work and support.
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[Barry]

Well said, Lou.

I am another early adopter of DX4WIN, from back in the early days of 
Windows (3.1?)  I started with DXLOG (for DOS) and after a number of 
empty promises of a Win version from its developer (who lived 5 miles 
from me at the time), I switched to DX4WIN.


There are things DX4WIN could do better and more efficiently.  The only 
reason I'm still with it is I don't actively chase awards or (paper) 
QSLs any more.  If I did, I would have jumped ship a number of years 
ago.  And if it weren't for AD1C's generous support, I don't believe 
there would be many users left today.


Barry W2UP

On 1/5/2014 11:45, Lou Dietrich wrote:

All,

Great...I think a wish list web page might be a good idea

If the wish list is not acted upon by the developer, will it do any 
good?as some have posted, the author of this software has decided 
not to respond to emails and this groupand therefore the wish list 
web page may just route to the developer's trash bin...and for our own 
edification.


Not to be overly critical here...but that seems to be the situation we 
are in with DX4WIN


As users, we have bought this software, not only for what was 
initially developed,  but for continuing support. In today's world, a 
logging program should do more than just loggingIf we only 
expected an initial release feature package without support, we would 
be using DX4WIN to control aged rigs and logging basic DXCC awards!


Develop a web page...and have it ignoredwrite directly to the 
developer and have it ignored or move off to another platform and 
tell everyone within ear shot why we did it...those are our choices.


Let's face facts here...

Tod, nice adage"Nothing is impossible as long as you are not the 
one who has to do the work." Tod, this should be restated"Nothing 
IS possible as long as you chose NOT to do the work.". That is the 
situation here...the author has chosen NOT to do the work...


73

Lou N2TU


On 1/5/2014 12:44 PM, n4dsp wrote:


Paul should put a link on the DX4WIN website for owner's to 
contribute their idea's to the "Wish List".


I sent an email to Paul 2-3 weeks ago with a suggestion and did not 
receive a response so I resorted

to the DX4WIN Reflector to BE HEARD.

Requesting some attention from the owner's of DX4WIN, the people who 
support the Owner, asking for

continuing improvements is not bad mouthing just to clarify.




On 1/5/2014 12:26 PM, Tod wrote:
I think that some of the postings with the subject "Updates" should 
really be posted with the subject " "Additional features I wish were 
present".



DX4Win started as a logging program as I recall. Operating was up to 
the person who had the amateur license; logging the QSO'S that 
resulted from the "operating" was the job of the program.


  Over time the intellectual property owner has chosen to add 
features and present new Versions for sale. Some of the added 
features happen to relate to operating things rather than logging of 
QSO's.


As purchasers and users all we can properly expect is that the 
features declared to be in the Version we purchased work as they are 
defined to work for the equipment environment for which they are 
declared to be functional. That implies that new radios , new 
rotators or new COM to USB devices are not explicitly supported. If 
the IP owner chooses to modify the Version to expand the supported 
equipment environment, great. The same thing is true for 
logging/operating features. If the IP owner chooses to add them, fine.


It seems a bit unreasonable to use the "product user reflector" to 
'bad mouth' the IP owner.


Of course there is nothing wrong with making suggestions that the 
product planner can consider when ( and if ) a new product or new 
version is being planned. Commenting on what you wish was present or 
even identifying an alternate product that has a feature you 'wish' 
was present seems reasonable.


Building a list of features that users "wish" were present seems 
reasonable too; particularly if maintenance of such a listing is not 
expected to be the job of the IP owner. It would be even nicer if 
someone had that list on a web site so it could be referenced by 
people. That might reduce duplicate postings about certain " not 
present yet" features.


One of 'The Laws of Life" is:

"Nothing is impossible as long as you are not the one who has to do 
the work."


Tod, K0TO



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On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Ernie  wrote:


Important to me:

1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to 
my rig at the same time.

2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself
3. Easy way to add mode names myself

Ernie W8EH

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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[Lou Dietrich]

All,

Great...I think a wish list web page might be a good idea

If the wish list is not acted upon by the developer, will it do any 
good?as some have posted, the author of this software has decided 
not to respond to emails and this groupand therefore the wish list 
web page may just route to the developer's trash bin...and for our own 
edification.


Not to be overly critical here...but that seems to be the situation we 
are in with DX4WIN


As users, we have bought this software, not only for what was initially 
developed,  but for continuing support. In today's world, a logging 
program should do more than just loggingIf we only expected an 
initial release feature package without support, we would be using 
DX4WIN to control aged rigs and logging basic DXCC awards!


Develop a web page...and have it ignoredwrite directly to the 
developer and have it ignored or move off to another platform and 
tell everyone within ear shot why we did it...those are our choices.


Let's face facts here...

Tod, nice adage"Nothing is impossible as long as you are not the one 
who has to do the work." Tod, this should be restated"Nothing IS 
possible as long as you chose NOT to do the work.". That is the 
situation here...the author has chosen NOT to do the work...


73

Lou N2TU


On 1/5/2014 12:44 PM, n4dsp wrote:


Paul should put a link on the DX4WIN website for owner's to contribute 
their idea's to the "Wish List".


I sent an email to Paul 2-3 weeks ago with a suggestion and did not 
receive a response so I resorted

to the DX4WIN Reflector to BE HEARD.

Requesting some attention from the owner's of DX4WIN, the people who 
support the Owner, asking for

continuing improvements is not bad mouthing just to clarify.




On 1/5/2014 12:26 PM, Tod wrote:
I think that some of the postings with the subject "Updates" should 
really be posted with the subject " "Additional features I wish were 
present".



DX4Win started as a logging program as I recall. Operating was up to 
the person who had the amateur license; logging the QSO'S that 
resulted from the "operating" was the job of the program.


  Over time the intellectual property owner has chosen to add 
features and present new Versions for sale. Some of the added 
features happen to relate to operating things rather than logging of 
QSO's.


As purchasers and users all we can properly expect is that the 
features declared to be in the Version we purchased work as they are 
defined to work for the equipment environment for which they are 
declared to be functional. That implies that new radios , new 
rotators or new COM to USB devices are not explicitly supported. If 
the IP owner chooses to modify the Version to expand the supported 
equipment environment, great. The same thing is true for 
logging/operating features. If the IP owner chooses to add them, fine.


It seems a bit unreasonable to use the "product user reflector" to 
'bad mouth' the IP owner.


Of course there is nothing wrong with making suggestions that the 
product planner can consider when ( and if ) a new product or new 
version is being planned. Commenting on what you wish was present or 
even identifying an alternate product that has a feature you 'wish' 
was present seems reasonable.


Building a list of features that users "wish" were present seems 
reasonable too; particularly if maintenance of such a listing is not 
expected to be the job of the IP owner. It would be even nicer if 
someone had that list on a web site so it could be referenced by 
people. That might reduce duplicate postings about certain " not 
present yet" features.


One of 'The Laws of Life" is:

"Nothing is impossible as long as you are not the one who has to do 
the work."


Tod, K0TO



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On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Ernie  wrote:


Important to me:

1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to 
my rig at the same time.

2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself
3. Easy way to add mode names myself

Ernie W8EH

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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[n4dsp]

Paul should put a link on the DX4WIN website for owner's to contribute 
their idea's to the "Wish List".


I sent an email to Paul 2-3 weeks ago with a suggestion and did not 
receive a response so I resorted

to the DX4WIN Reflector to BE HEARD.

Requesting some attention from the owner's of DX4WIN, the people who 
support the Owner, asking for

continuing improvements is not bad mouthing just to clarify.




On 1/5/2014 12:26 PM, Tod wrote:

I think that some of the postings with the subject "Updates" should really be posted with the 
subject " "Additional features I wish were present".


DX4Win started as a logging program as I recall. Operating was up to the person who had 
the amateur license; logging the QSO'S that resulted from the "operating" was 
the job of the program.

  Over time the intellectual property owner has chosen to add features and 
present new Versions for sale. Some of the added features happen to relate to 
operating things rather than logging of QSO's.

As purchasers and users all we can properly expect is that the features 
declared to be in the Version we purchased work as they are defined to work for 
the equipment environment for which they are declared to be functional. That 
implies that new radios , new rotators or new COM to USB devices are not 
explicitly supported. If the IP owner chooses to modify the Version to expand 
the supported equipment environment, great. The same thing is true for 
logging/operating features. If the IP owner chooses to add them, fine.

It seems a bit unreasonable to use the "product user reflector" to 'bad mouth' 
the IP owner.

Of course there is nothing wrong with making suggestions that the product 
planner can consider when ( and if ) a new product or new version is being 
planned. Commenting on what you wish was present or even identifying an 
alternate product that has a feature you 'wish' was present seems reasonable.

Building a list of features that users "wish" were present seems reasonable too; 
particularly if maintenance of such a listing is not expected to be the job of the IP owner. It 
would be even nicer if someone had that list on a web site so it could be referenced by people. 
That might reduce duplicate postings about certain " not present yet" features.

One of 'The Laws of Life" is:

"Nothing is impossible as long as you are not the one who has to do the work."

Tod, K0TO



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On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Ernie  wrote:


Important to me:

1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my rig at 
the same time.
2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself
3. Easy way to add mode names myself

Ernie W8EH

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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[Tod]

I think that some of the postings with the subject "Updates" should really be 
posted with the subject " "Additional features I wish were present".


DX4Win started as a logging program as I recall. Operating was up to the person 
who had the amateur license; logging the QSO'S that resulted from the 
"operating" was the job of the program.

 Over time the intellectual property owner has chosen to add features and 
present new Versions for sale. Some of the added features happen to relate to 
operating things rather than logging of QSO's.

As purchasers and users all we can properly expect is that the features 
declared to be in the Version we purchased work as they are defined to work for 
the equipment environment for which they are declared to be functional. That 
implies that new radios , new rotators or new COM to USB devices are not 
explicitly supported. If the IP owner chooses to modify the Version to expand 
the supported equipment environment, great. The same thing is true for 
logging/operating features. If the IP owner chooses to add them, fine.

It seems a bit unreasonable to use the "product user reflector" to 'bad mouth' 
the IP owner. 

Of course there is nothing wrong with making suggestions that the product 
planner can consider when ( and if ) a new product or new version is being 
planned. Commenting on what you wish was present or even identifying an 
alternate product that has a feature you 'wish' was present seems reasonable. 

Building a list of features that users "wish" were present seems reasonable 
too; particularly if maintenance of such a listing is not expected to be the 
job of the IP owner. It would be even nicer if someone had that list on a web 
site so it could be referenced by people. That might reduce duplicate postings 
about certain " not present yet" features. 

One of 'The Laws of Life" is:

"Nothing is impossible as long as you are not the one who has to do the work."

Tod, K0TO



Sent from my iPhone 5


> On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Ernie  wrote:
> 
> 
> Important to me:
> 
> 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my rig at 
> the same time.
> 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself
> 3. Easy way to add mode names myself
> 
> Ernie W8EH
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates

[Ernie]

Important to me:

1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my 
rig at the same time.

2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself
3. Easy way to add mode names myself

Ernie W8EH

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[Dx4win] Updates

[William Osborne]

Potential Updates:

 

I agree with all Kostas said below. Especially decoders for more digital
modes or the ability to integrate them.  A CW decoder would be quite
helpful, I have external one but it is just one more thing to remember to
open and close.  I would also like to have much more control over the
cluster info. In fact be able to set it up by band. For example, on 160 and
80 I would like to see worldwide spots but on the other bands not so much.
Also, when working 160 I would like to limit my view to just 160 spots and
same with some other bands. I would also like to see any time someone spots
me on any band as this is often a message and a spot (VE7CC does most of
this but is not connected to my Log).  Omnirig support is potentially a deal
breaker all by its self if it becomes the defector
SDR/Transceiver/Pan-Adaptor interface.

 

HNY and 73,

Bill, K5ZQ

 

 

Thanks,

William Osborne

  wosborn...@gmail.com

207-205-9565

 

===SV1DPI
Comments=

 

HNY to all,

Come on guys. All we love dx4win but it needs to be updated. If you use rtty
for example, you really need a better decoder as 2tone is. A cw decoder
maybe? New features have been asked many times and there are big lists in
archive. Even I personally need support for 2 rotors for example, maybe it
is not so important as others... For example:

1. support for omnirig. This makes easier parallel control of an sdr
receiver and your rig.

2. As the subject of the email says: Better support with lotw, as one button
upload, one button download, selective dxcc submission with lotw qsos, or
cards or both, compare with online credits, etc.

3. Support of new modes. Some guys of us, use new digi modes that are not
supported. A new editable database with modes is the best option. 

Also RST must accept new reports.

4. Support of ocx. This makes mmtty support easier and let us to use other
digi programs as well as mmvari and 2tone for example.

5. Logger32 (its author is SK some years ago but it is updated

regularly!!!) already supports connection of its database for countries with
clublog. This makes ad1c's life much more easier and we can have one general
acceptable database.

and much more that Paul has read and I hope has noted.

The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the author of
the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would like to
hear his opinion, even it is something like "dx4win is my last priority and
I don't think  I will update it the next 30 years"(I hope not saying it)...

 

73 Kostas, SV1DPI

 

 

 

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[Dx4win] Updates coming, wait for the last one

[Jim Reisert AD1C]

Hi Folks,

I'm about to release a number of DX4WIN data file updates.  If you're
using the update utility:

http://dx4win.ad1c.us/update.htm

I suggest you wait until you see the country file (DX4WIN.CTY)
announcement before running it.  This will save you having to update
multiple times.

73 - Jim AD1C

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Re: [Dx4win] Updates to TrustedQSL

[Rick Murphy]

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Mel  wrote:
> Great. I assume this is a "beta" for what will become the "official"
> version? I'll give it a try next upload.

It's been through a workout for a couple of weeks now with several
bugs fixed. At this point, I'm looking for more testing before I push
it towards the ARRL as an "official" release.
73,
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates to TrustedQSL

[Mel]

Great. I assume this is a "beta" for what will become the "official" 
version? I'll give it a try next upload.

Rick Murphy wrote:
> Since there's a number of Logbook of the World users that are also
> DX4WIN users, I'd like to mention that I've been working on updates to
> the LoTW software to fix some of the long standing user requests. The
> updates include requiring proper ITU and CQ zones based on DXCC
> entitity, corrections for US county names to match the ADIF standard,
> fixing problems with certificate import and export, many new operating
> modes,and a bunch of user interface fixes.
> 
> This isn't official ARRL software, but if you're willing to give it a
> try, I have a webpage at http://www.rickmurphy.net/lotw/ with pointers
> to my builds of the TrustedQSL software.
> Please give it a try and send me any feedback.
> 73,
> -Rick
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[Dx4win] Updates to TrustedQSL

[Rick Murphy]

Since there's a number of Logbook of the World users that are also
DX4WIN users, I'd like to mention that I've been working on updates to
the LoTW software to fix some of the long standing user requests. The
updates include requiring proper ITU and CQ zones based on DXCC
entitity, corrections for US county names to match the ADIF standard,
fixing problems with certificate import and export, many new operating
modes,and a bunch of user interface fixes.

This isn't official ARRL software, but if you're willing to give it a
try, I have a webpage at http://www.rickmurphy.net/lotw/ with pointers
to my builds of the TrustedQSL software.
Please give it a try and send me any feedback.
73,
-Rick
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates to the DX Summit address

[Jim Reisert AD1C]

Thanks for the reminder.  Already done and released at least a week ago, 
download DX4WIN.TCP from http://dx4win.ad1c.us/


73 - Jim AD1C

On 11/22/2008 7:19 PM, Mark Lunday, WD4ELG wrote:

Effective Nov 19, the web address has changed.

Jim, I am sure you are already on top of this, I wanted to share with the
group in case they wanted to mod their cluster data file (cannot remember
how to do that, but I saw it in the past and it's not difficult.)

http://www.dxsummit.fi/

Mark Lunday
WD4ELG
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://wd4elg.net



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[Dx4win] Updates to the DX Summit address

[Mark Lunday, WD4ELG]

Effective Nov 19, the web address has changed.  

Jim, I am sure you are already on top of this, I wanted to share with the
group in case they wanted to mod their cluster data file (cannot remember
how to do that, but I saw it in the past and it's not difficult.)

http://www.dxsummit.fi/ 

Mark Lunday
WD4ELG
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http://wd4elg.net


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[Dx4win] DX4WIN updates

[Paul van der Eijk]

Hi,

In the hope of stopping the stream of questions about what is new/fixed
in the next release, see below. I'm still working on getting the serial
port back for PTT in the PSK Window. These descriptions maybe
cryptic; they are my own notes 

Paul

//Version 6.03
// Corrected QSL manager editor (dates were wrong)
// Corrected ADIF import band conversion for higher frequencies
// Added support for prositel rotator
// added extra priority level to distinguish worked or not bm combo
// wrote routine to get text after double-click in PSK31 window (behavior 
varied by operating system)
// New award band was tested incorrectly
// Added option to set QSLDate when setting QSL method in multiple QSO 
operations
// small correction in award file (Darrell)
// small corrections in dx4win.tcp file
// spots were not always saved when closing program
// MaxQSOs per label could only be changed for one custom labels but now we 
keep two separate values
// After changing the current Selection, the default group is set to that 
selection so adding or importing QSOs will get the group by default
// Merging QSL managers lists actions
// Changed prefix logic (ignored stuff on right only like /R and /MM)
// Automatic update day and night fixed
// DOS box showed under Win/XP when calling an external program
// Spot colors for 'nothing special' could not be changed
// QSO import no longer changes 59 seconds to 58 seconds
// Typing in packet window without an established connection will show the 
select connection dialog
// When the QSLDate is empty, the up-arrow will set the date to todays date, a 
down-arrow sets the date to the QSODate
// Marking additional QSLs for printing takes mailed cutoff into account if 
there is a QSL manager
// Removing duplicate QSLs for printing no longer clears the print flag when a 
QSO was confirmed.
// Corrections in Kenwood radio file (thanks to Don, W0DJC)
// Made Freq column wider in progress report
// Grids were case sensitive
// Added 60M band
// Added time column to WAZ submission reports
// rstR = 0 or ValidDX = Invalid are now indicating an invalid QSO for any award
// Added Upload fields to QSo window (Upload, Upload Data, Upload confirmed
//   QSO: Update, Search
//   QSO Window size
//   New I/E filter for dx4win
//   Set/Clear Upload flags
//   Added to logbook
//   Same call window
//   Added option to select what counts as confirmed
//  (card, upload or both; this is reflected in reports, spots and 
summaries)
//   Import (merge) can use imported QSO for confirmation only
//  (we can set confirmed or upload confirmed
//  (may need more fields to update, like state, zone etc)
// Rewards no longer require a minimum number of qualifying QSOs (like 100 for 
DXCC)
// Changed country database & import/export filters to follow Jim's (AD1C) 
database
// Band / Mode also updated for current spot when callsign field is empty



Paul van der Eijk (KK4HD)
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http://www.dx4win.com