subject:"Re\: \[Dx4win\] Group filter\/selection"

Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

2016-02-21 Thread Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN

Hi John,
Now, all is perfectly clear! I followed your procedure and it worked perfectly. 
I could even check it by creating a new DX4WIN log and importing the created 
ADIF log: the new log contained only the selection! I uploaded Clublog.adif to 
Clublog and it worked flawlessly. 

So, thanks you again and I hope to have a QSO with you in a near future on one 
of the bands.
I am sending a copy of this to DX4WIN Reflector so that it will close my case 
and help to others who might have had same misunderstanding as myself. 

Very best 73,
Radi F6GNZ
 

Le Samedi 20 février 2016 20h06, John Shaw <zl1...@gmail.com> a écrit :
 
 

 Hi Radi,  Ok here goes. If you create a selection filter and then save the log 
you will save the whole log.  It does not matter if you save it as F6GNZ or 
CLUBLOG your going to have all QSO's.  So both files will contain all QSO's and 
they will both have available the selection filter that you made.  To create a 
new log with some groups removed you need to do it differently but you don't 
need to do that for what you are wanting to do.   To sum up.  Saving a log with 
a selection filter will not filter QSO's.  Exporting a log with a selection 
filter will filter QSO's   Here is how I export QSO's to upload to Clublog.  In 
my log which is called ZL1BYZ.DXL I choose the selection filter that I have 
made to give me a selection of only QSO's I want to upload, then with that 
selection filter ON I go to the File menu and choose Import/Export and export 
as ADIF.  I save the file as ZL1BYZ.ADIF to my Desktop. At the end of the 
export a window will tell you how many QSO have been exported, it will match 
your selection filter.   Then I go back and turn OFF the selection filter.  Now 
my log is ready for new QSO's, nothing has been changed.  To complete the 
clublog upload I go to Clublog and go through the upload process choosing the 
ZL1BYZ.ADIF file I just created on my desktop.The next time I want to upload 
some more QSO's to Clublog I do the same process overwriting the ZL1BYZ.ADIF 
file on my desktop with the new QSO's.  It becomes a simple safe process.  Your 
main log stays in the same place and is unaffected by the Clublog upload and 
you have an ADIF file on your desktop which you update using the selection 
filter and Export adif process before you do a Clublog upload.   Finally when 
ever you are doing some work on your log that you are not sure the result is 
going to be what you want.  MAKE A BACKUP FIRST  Do this with your computer's 
file management tools (Windows Explorer?) not within DX4WIN using save or save 
as.  That is the quickest route to confusion and loosing QSO's. Hope that helps 
73 John ZL1BYZ.
From: Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ [mailto:f6...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 21 February 2016 03:20
To: John Shaw
Cc: DX4WIN Reflector
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

John,
Something strange: My main f6gnz  log has 17089 QSOs logged, log size 2099 kB. 
I create Selection under name Clublog, list shows now 11988 QSOs and Save. I 
check in SAVE folder, Clublog.dxl is still 2099 kB.Then, I re-open f6gnz, find 
selection Clublog, Update, OK , list shows again 11988 QSOs . I save log as 
Clublog.dxl (can't save as ADIF, saving accepts only DXL; ADIF only after 
export). Saved log shows again 2099 kB.

I open Clublog.dxl, it shows 17089 QSOs and   after selection, list shows  
11988 selected QSO's, but whether I save it just by clicking on Save or Save as 
, Clublog.dxl still shows 2099 kB and when I open it I see all 17089 QSOs.
Question: 
How to create a "Clublog" file that contains only selected QSOs in order to 
upload it to Clublog without  uploading unwanted groups??
I am completely confused now..
73, Radi F6GNZ



 
  
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Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

2016-02-19 Thread Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN

Hi John,
You are 100% right: I tried and it works! Thanks!
 I was always afraid to just "save" it (under the source name)  after creating 
the selection and seeing that the number of QSOs listed after selection has 
decreased. I thought that saving would cause my source log name now becoming a 
different, shortened version containing only selected groups. It is a pity that 
it is not explained so clearly in the Help file..

Best regards,Radi F6GNZ

 

Le Vendredi 19 février 2016 3h23, John Shaw <zl1...@gmail.com> a écrit :
 
 

 Hi Radi, No you won't loose any QSO's when you create a filter it does not 
delete the QSO's from the log they just aren't in the current selection.  Your 
log does not change size, you see fewer QSO's because you have made a filter.  
Turn it off and all the QSO's are back again. If you don't believe me, try 
this.  Make a backup of your log and put it somewhere safe then make a note of 
how many QSO's are in the log, now make your filter selection click OK then 
when you go back to the log entry window save the log.  Now go back and cancel 
the filter selection then go back to your log and count the QSO's believe me 
they will all be there I know because I do this every day and have never lost a 
QSO.  In fact when you make a new or change a filter selection and click OK  
DX4WIN needs you to do a save or you will loose the changes you have made.  
Which is exactly what is happening. 73 John ZL1BYZ
From: Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ [mailto:f6...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 12:19
To: John Shaw
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

Hi John,
As soon as I create a new selection and click OK, the f6gnz log that was opened 
reduces in size and contains only the selected groups. So, I can't save it 
under the same name as it would delete all my "All QSO's"... I can save it only 
under some new name so the original log would not containg the selection..
73, Radi


Le Jeudi 18 février 2016 19h50, John Shaw <zl1...@gmail.com> a écrit :



Hi Radi,   Do you save the full F6GNZ log after creating the new filter 
selection, before saving the log with a new name.  If you don't then that is 
why the filter is not there next time you open the full F6ENZ log.  The new 
filter you created needs to be saved in both logs at least once or it will not 
remain in both logs.   73 John ZL1BYZ    
From: Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ [mailto:f6...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 06:01
To: John Shaw
Cc: DX4WIN Reflector
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

   Hi John, I was intrigued by your conclusion, so  I have tried again: - 
Opened f6gnz log containing all QSO's - Filter -> selection - Add->Replace this 
name->Clublog - 2 clicks on each of 3 group names 
 - Update -OK -Save log as Clublog, logging window now shows Clublog instead of 
f6gnz
 -Filter-> selection - Found Clublog in pull-down list -Update->OK> Save 
Clublog 
 - Start f6gnz -Filter-> selection: Clublog NOT in pull down list 
 -Close F6GNZ, Open Clublog - Filter->Selection - Clublog in pull-down list
 
 Conclusion: 
 PREVIOUS (multiple group)  SELECTION NAMES  CAN BE RECALLED IN PULL-DOWN LIST 
ONLY AFTER OPENING THE LOG CONTAINING  PREVIOUSLY SELECTED GROUPS. BUT THIS HAS 
NO USEFULNESS! 
 SELECTION NAMES  PREVIOUSLY CREATED FROM THE MAIN LOG (all QSO's), CONTAINING 
MULTIPLE GROUP NAMES, SHOULD BE AVAILABLE  IN PULL-DOWN LIST WHEN OPENING THIS 
MAIN LOG, AFTER HAVING MADE NEW QSO's. THIS WOULD ALLOW PREVIOUS SELECTION'S 
UPDATE,  CONTAINING NEW QSO's MAKING PART OF THIS LOG, WITHOUT NEED TO RUN 
THROUGH NEW FILTER CREATION AND SELECTION PROCEDURE!  
 
 SAVING THIS NEW LOG UNDER A NEW OR SAME NAME AS THE ONE CONTAINING PREVIOUS 
SELECTION, WOULD PERMIT TO HAVE  UPDATED LOG EACH TIME IT IS NEEDED. 
 Thank you for triggering my curiosity! 
 Best 73, Radi
 
 
 
 
 
  

Le Jeudi 18 février 2016 1h15, John Shaw <zl1...@gmail.com> a écrit :
 


 Ah, puzzling?

Well it does work.  Once you have setup and saved a group selection and or
date filter combination you should be able to go back and chose it again
from the list and re use it.

Maybe some one else can pick what is been missed?

73 John ZL1BYZ





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From: Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ [mailto:f6...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2016 11:24
To: John Shaw
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection


Hi John,

This is exactly what I wanted to say: I do  NOT find my previous selection
at the end of the drop-down list nor anywhere in it, as if I had never made
any selection! Only the selections that reflect the group names are
available+ All (00) !

73, Radi F6GNZ




Le Mercredi 17 février 2016 18h43, John Shaw <zl1...@gmail.com> a écrit :




Radi.

When you bring up the selection editor window, at the top it says current
selection then just below that is a box which probably says All QSOs, at the
right end of that box there is an arrow pointing down.  If you click on that
a

Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

2016-02-18 Thread Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN

Hi Jim,
Thanks for your comment and suggestion. Unfortunately, it would make things 
even more complicated as I would need to make several templates...Because, 
starting with my log containing all QSOs and many different groups (/P from 
different locations, /M, /F), /FG, QRP, ...) , I need periodically to generate 
several different  logs, for exporting to Clublog, for BV7 home qso QSLs, for 
BV7 portable QSOs QSLs from different locations, etc..
That's why I hoped that within my "all QSOs" log, I could create several group 
names, each containing two or more groups, and have them memorized once for 
ever (deletion and additions being always possible).
So, after having added QSOs to the main log, I could just open this log, scroll 
through created selection names, select one of them, click Update and OK, and 
this would result in a log with the same selection name but containing 
additional QSOs within that name. Then I could save and export the updated log 
as adif to Clublog update/append or replace, BV7 etc...
Anyway, it's not so very critical, I will just need to re-create same names 
again and again each time I want to feed Clublog or BV7. It will not kill me, 
but I just thought it could be much more practical to get it done only once...
73,Radi F6GNZ
 

Le Jeudi 18 février 2016 23h46, Jim Reisert AD1C  a 
écrit :
 
 

 Hi Radi,

Both group numbers and group selections are store in the .DXL (log)
file.  So when you open a new log, you will not have those available
to  you.

You can create a log template.  Open a log that has the group numbers
and selections in it.  Delete ALL the QSOs using Multiple QSO
Operations.  Then save the resulting log file with a new name, i.e.
TEMPLATE.  When you want to start a new log with the "default" group
numbers and selections, open the TEMPLATE, then save under a new name.

73 - Jim AD1C

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Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

2016-02-18 Thread Jim Reisert AD1C

Hi Radi,

Both group numbers and group selections are store in the .DXL (log)
file.  So when you open a new log, you will not have those available
to  you.

You can create a log template.  Open a log that has the group numbers
and selections in it.  Delete ALL the QSOs using Multiple QSO
Operations.  Then save the resulting log file with a new name, i.e.
TEMPLATE.  When you want to start a new log with the "default" group
numbers and selections, open the TEMPLATE, then save under a new name.

73 - Jim AD1C

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Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

2016-02-18 Thread Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN

Hi John,I was intrigued by your conclusion, so  I have tried again:- Opened 
f6gnz log containing all QSO's- Filter -> selection- Add->Replace this 
name->Clublog- 2 clicks on each of 3 group names 
- Update-OK-Save log as Clublog, logging window now shows Clublog instead of 
f6gnz
-Filter-> selection- Found Clublog in pull-down list-Update->OK> Save Clublog
- Start f6gnz-Filter-> selection: Clublog NOT in pull down list
-Close F6GNZ, Open Clublog- Filter->Selection- Clublog in pull-down list

Conclusion: 
PREVIOUS (multiple group)  SELECTION NAMES  CAN BE RECALLED IN PULL-DOWN LIST 
ONLY AFTER OPENING THE LOG CONTAINING  PREVIOUSLY SELECTED GROUPS. BUT THIS HAS 
NO USEFULNESS!
SELECTION NAMES  PREVIOUSLY CREATED FROM THE MAIN LOG (all QSO's), CONTAINING 
MULTIPLE GROUP NAMES, SHOULD BE AVAILABLE  IN PULL-DOWN LIST WHEN OPENING THIS 
MAIN LOG, AFTER HAVING MADE NEW QSO's. THIS WOULD ALLOW PREVIOUS SELECTION'S 
UPDATE,  CONTAINING NEW QSO's MAKING PART OF THIS LOG, WITHOUT NEED TO RUN 
THROUGH NEW FILTER CREATION AND SELECTION PROCEDURE!  

 SAVING THIS NEW LOG UNDER A NEW OR SAME NAME AS THE ONE CONTAINING PREVIOUS 
SELECTION, WOULD PERMIT TO HAVE  UPDATED LOG EACH TIME IT IS NEEDED.
Thank you for triggering my curiosity!
Best 73, Radi





 

Le Jeudi 18 février 2016 1h15, John Shaw <zl1...@gmail.com> a écrit :
 
 

 Ah, puzzling?
 
Well it does work.  Once you have setup and saved a group selection and or
date filter combination you should be able to go back and chose it again
from the list and re use it.
 
Maybe some one else can pick what is been missed?
 
73 John ZL1BYZ
 
 
 
 
 
  _  

From: Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ [mailto:f6...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2016 11:24
To: John Shaw
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection


Hi John,

This is exactly what I wanted to say: I do  NOT find my previous selection
at the end of the drop-down list nor anywhere in it, as if I had never made
any selection! Only the selections that reflect the group names are
available+ All (00) !

73, Radi F6GNZ




Le Mercredi 17 février 2016 18h43, John Shaw <zl1...@gmail.com> a écrit :




Radi.

When you bring up the selection editor window, at the top it says current
selection then just below that is a box which probably says All QSOs, at the
right end of that box there is an arrow pointing down.  If you click on that
arrow a list should drop down with all your previously made selection
filters.  Do you find the selection filter you had previously made in that
list? I am hoping it is as then you just select it from there and click ok.
When you don't want that selection you go back and select all QSOs again.
Does this help?

73 John ZL1BYZ

-Original Message-
From: DX4WIN [mailto:dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Radivoj
Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2016 02:06
To: DX4WIN Reflector; Dx4win Support
Subject: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

I have several Group names in my log and under the "Current selection" the
same names as names of the groups below are shown and can be chosen.If I
want to create a group filter that would include several groups, I click on
"Add" ,replace "this name"  by the name of the wanted Group, for example
"Clublog", and double click on 3-4 wanted group names. After clicking on
"Update" and "OK" log reduces it's size and contains only the selected group
names. 
Then, I can save it as "Clublog" and have it ready for exporting. 

BUT: next time, after making new QSOs, I want to re-create a new "Clublog"
group file, containing old and new QSOs . I open my log containing All
Groups, select Group Filter and after clicking "Enable Filters" I expect to
see "Clublog" name within the proposed "Current selection" names, showing
the marked selected groups below. To my surprise, The "Clublog" selection is
no more indicated as available. I have to start all the procedure again,
"replace this name" by "Clublog", tick wanted groups, Update, OK, save as...
WHY? Why the created Group selection is not available after once being
created? If several such Groups are to be created and the procedure repeated
each time, it is not so practical.
Am I missing something???
73, Radi F6GNZ


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Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

2016-02-17 Thread John Shaw

Ah, puzzling?
 
Well it does work.  Once you have setup and saved a group selection and or
date filter combination you should be able to go back and chose it again
from the list and re use it.
 
Maybe some one else can pick what is been missed?
 
73 John ZL1BYZ
 
 
 
 
 
  _  

From: Radivoj Kar, F6GNZ [mailto:f6...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2016 11:24
To: John Shaw
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection


Hi John,

This is exactly what I wanted to say: I do  NOT find my previous selection
at the end of the drop-down list nor anywhere in it, as if I had never made
any selection! Only the selections that reflect the group names are
available+ All (00) !

73, Radi F6GNZ




Le Mercredi 17 février 2016 18h43, John Shaw <zl1...@gmail.com> a écrit :




Radi.

When you bring up the selection editor window, at the top it says current
selection then just below that is a box which probably says All QSOs, at the
right end of that box there is an arrow pointing down.  If you click on that
arrow a list should drop down with all your previously made selection
filters.  Do you find the selection filter you had previously made in that
list? I am hoping it is as then you just select it from there and click ok.
When you don't want that selection you go back and select all QSOs again.
Does this help?

73 John ZL1BYZ

-Original Message-
From: DX4WIN [mailto:dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Radivoj
Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2016 02:06
To: DX4WIN Reflector; Dx4win Support
Subject: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

I have several Group names in my log and under the "Current selection" the
same names as names of the groups below are shown and can be chosen.If I
want to create a group filter that would include several groups, I click on
"Add" ,replace "this name"  by the name of the wanted Group, for example
"Clublog", and double click on 3-4 wanted group names. After clicking on
"Update" and "OK" log reduces it's size and contains only the selected group
names. 
Then, I can save it as "Clublog" and have it ready for exporting. 

BUT: next time, after making new QSOs, I want to re-create a new "Clublog"
group file, containing old and new QSOs . I open my log containing All
Groups, select Group Filter and after clicking "Enable Filters" I expect to
see "Clublog" name within the proposed "Current selection" names, showing
the marked selected groups below. To my surprise, The "Clublog" selection is
no more indicated as available. I have to start all the procedure again,
"replace this name" by "Clublog", tick wanted groups, Update, OK, save as...
WHY? Why the created Group selection is not available after once being
created? If several such Groups are to be created and the procedure repeated
each time, it is not so practical.
Am I missing something???
73, Radi F6GNZ


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Re: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

2016-02-17 Thread John Shaw

 Radi.

When you bring up the selection editor window, at the top it says current
selection then just below that is a box which probably says All QSOs, at the
right end of that box there is an arrow pointing down.  If you click on that
arrow a list should drop down with all your previously made selection
filters.  Do you find the selection filter you had previously made in that
list? I am hoping it is as then you just select it from there and click ok.
When you don't want that selection you go back and select all QSOs again.
Does this help?

73 John ZL1BYZ

-Original Message-
From: DX4WIN [mailto:dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Radivoj
Kar, F6GNZ via DX4WIN
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2016 02:06
To: DX4WIN Reflector; Dx4win Support
Subject: [Dx4win] Group filter/selection

I have several Group names in my log and under the "Current selection" the
same names as names of the groups below are shown and can be chosen.If I
want to create a group filter that would include several groups, I click on
"Add" ,replace "this name"  by the name of the wanted Group, for example
"Clublog", and double click on 3-4 wanted group names. After clicking on
"Update" and "OK" log reduces it's size and contains only the selected group
names. 
Then, I can save it as "Clublog" and have it ready for exporting. 

BUT: next time, after making new QSOs, I want to re-create a new "Clublog"
group file, containing old and new QSOs . I open my log containing All
Groups, select Group Filter and after clicking "Enable Filters" I expect to
see "Clublog" name within the proposed "Current selection" names, showing
the marked selected groups below. To my surprise, The "Clublog" selection is
no more indicated as available. I have to start all the procedure again,
"replace this name" by "Clublog", tick wanted groups, Update, OK, save as...
WHY? Why the created Group selection is not available after once being
created? If several such Groups are to be created and the procedure repeated
each time, it is not so practical.
Am I missing something???
73, Radi F6GNZ


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