[e-gold-list] Defense Fund
Perhaps E-Gold might want to reconsider hosting it's servers in the US in the light of this raid. All it will take is a US Attorney or two hopped up on cocaine who decides he wants a big publicity case with little possible backlash. They can them say (and probably quite truthfully) that E-gold is used by Russian gangsters, Caribbean drug- dealers, Libyan terrorists etc. to move money around, declare it a RICO case and win or lose don't count on getting your servers back for 5-10 years. At least the gold is stored (I believe) in Canada, but I'm sure the US could have them sieze it with a bit of diplomacy. What I'd recommend if I were running a fiat currency is to divide the physical metal between say 10 stable, reasonably lawful countries like Holland, the UK, France, Brazil, Switzerland, Italy, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand (you get the idea). Then if one government does decide to boost their coffers by siezing the gold, while it is a disaster it isn't a total disaster and the operators can try and start repurchasing metal with their profits to bring the levels back to established levels (or maybe reduce everyone's holdings by 10%). New Books at Discount Prices --- Send the right message --- + Today freemail + Get your free, private email address at http://www.today.com.au --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Toronto Gold?
On 28 Mar 2001, at 21:51, Bob wrote: I don't see that there is anything particularly safer about storing gold in Canada or the UK vs the UAE. Bob, you are right. I didn't want to imply that it was safer in one palce than in another. I don't really know at this point in time. Also risks change with time. All I wanted to say is that this creates a new risk dimension. Claude I would think that this move would ameliorate risk instead of create new risk. Now instead of storing all of our eggs in one basket, we have them spread out. I remember hearing plans to do this a long time ago, as well as complaints that they didn't do this. There might a marginally larger possibility of losing a fraction of the metal, however the possibility of losing it all should be much smaller. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] - PECUNIX INCORPORATED - Share Offer
Danny, from Gocreative, has asked me to forward this to you guys! He apparantly has a problem with his email program!! His contact email address is; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List Members Gocreative Ltd New Zealand are brokers of opportunity, and we would like to offer to to all e-gold market makers, and e-gold users on this list; - PECUNIX INCORPORATED - The world's first serious competition to e-gold, a "100% Gold Backed Internet Currency". It has been fully researched, full legal structures based offshore in the Panama, and software and technology to deliver the world's best service. Deloitte Touche - Panama will act as Auditors and as Custodian for Pecunix Inc and Pecunix Venture Holdings Inc. -- PECUNIX is the provider of a 100% Gold Backed Internet Currency (GBIC) and payment solution, offering companies and individuals the ability to make and receive payments electronically. PECUNIX's mission is to become the leading provider of Gold Backed Internet Currency (GBIC) services for all business-to-business, consumer-to-business and consumer-to-consumer transactions on the Internet. PECUNIX's "P-AUG" (One P-AUG has a value of one gram of gold) currency solution enables online merchants to accept secure payments from their customers on their web site, and allows "users" the ability to make secure person-to-person payments on the Internet. All payments made in "P-AUG" clear instantly. Payments can be settled instantly between globally remote parties. The payer cannot repudiate (reverse) a payment once payment is made. The system protects the parties' privacy and personal details by policy and law. The cost of transactions is very low. -- They also offer one of the world's first private 24-hour online Internet Share Trading Facilities to facilitate the sale of Shares between existing shareholders and new subscribers. It is called: Private Venture Capital Stock Exchange or PVCSE. The first share offering at this Stock Exchange is for PECUNIX Venture Holdings Inc which is offering THIRTEEN MILLION (13,000,000) Shares at US$0.50 per Share payable in full on application to raise between US$5,000,000.00 and US$6,500,000. PECUNIX Venture Holdings Inc will Negotiate the acquisition of 51% the Shares of PECUNIX INCORPORATED. The PVCSE Website has a FULL business plan, prospectus and an online presentation. I know the Directors personally; if you have any concerns you are welcome to e-mail me with questions. We hope you will seriously consider this exciting investment opportunity. There is a one level referral commission of 5% for brokers that wish to promote the offer. Regards Danny N. Mallinder Gocreative Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here: http://www.pvcse.com/id.cfm?ref=xep989 News: The Board has approved, in principle, the appointment of a further key Director on the Board. The gentleman concerned is an economist and policy analyst, lecturer to the business world, universities globally and to many governments, a lawyer, three-time Nobel Peace Prize nominee and an outstanding negotiator. Although this key appointment is yet to be finalised, we are very excited at the prospect. (from a notice to early investors) = Investment Opportunity Private Placement offer: PECUNIX Venture Holdings Inc is offering THIRTEEN MILLION (13,000,000) Shares at US$0.50 per Share payable in full on application to raise a total of US$6,500,000.00 The Company will contract to provide a 24-hour online Internet Share Trading Facility to facilitate the sale of Shares between existing shareholders and new subscribers. The Directors have identified the acquisition of 51% the Shares of PECUNIX INCORPORATED, a Panama based company as a potential Key Transaction. (see Appendix 3 - PANAMA - PRIVACY, PROTECTION AND PROFIT for more information about Panama) PECUNIX INCORPORATED is currently developing the software and business structure for a "100% Gold Backed Internet Currency" and intends to launch its web site facility in the second quarter of 2001. A full description of the business model, motivation and consolidated income statement for PECUNIX INCORPORATED can be found in "BUSINESS PLAN FOR PECUNIX INCORPORATED" on a separate document. The Company intends to enter into the Key Transaction to acquire a 51% holding in the Shares of PECUNIX INCORPORATED, giving the Company a strong voting position in the future of PECUNIX INCORPORATED and the potential to earn substantial profit. A Prospectus and an Investment statement is available to download. Click here for full details: http://www.pvcse.com/id.cfm?ref=xep989 = Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO GoldNow Corporation http://www.GoldNow.St Phone/Fax +44 (0)709-233-7612 USA Phone/Fax +1(312)777-4270 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as:
[e-gold-list] List response
Hi Paul,You are correct, you can transfer your funds from your E-Gold account to =your Cash Card account FREE and have access to them at 400,000+ ATMs =worldwide in any currency. And with our Reseller Program. you can earn =Cash from referring other Cash Card Members.--I'm very surprised how Cash Cards International which re-sellsStandard Reserve debit cards advertises themselves:The worlds First Real-Time Global eCommerce TransactionSystem backed by Gold!The Cash Card gives you access to your funds instantly atover 400,000 *ATMs worldwide, and in any currency.Access funds directly from your E-Gold Account through yourCash Card at any ATM*. ( E-Gold Transfers are FREE! )--I do agree that this is an oversimplified explaination of the process. =Thank you for your astute observation. We will be making a slight change =in the wording to more accurately describe the process.We now have over 20,000 members. Many of these are E-Gold account =holders who are now able to transfer their E-Gold FREE to their Cash =Card account and spend it through the worldwide ATM Network.Yours In Success,Steve Renner, FounderCash Cards International, LLC250 Second Ave S #110Minneapolis, MN 55401Phone: (612) 333-3893Fax: (612) 332-3834~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~http://www.cashcards.netmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Yada yada yada
It's funny how every new gold currency company on the block touts themselves as revolutionizing global commerce by providing instantly-clearing currency transactions. This claim of having something new and earthshaking is made by Standard Reserve, GoldMoney, and Pecunix, to name three. But really, anybody with a database and a web-server can do that. All you have to do to do international transfers of value is get everyone to sign up on OUR system! It's funny that the companies thatmake this claim to be the first, weren't. E-gold beat them to it. The existence of these new companies DOES bring up the point that e-gold needs competition for its own good. Competition will force e-gold to provide even better services to stay number one. The gold currency market will be much stronger if there are a number of companies with a stake in it. But this brings up a problem. The more digital currencies that come on the market, the more fragmented the market will become. Merchants are not going to put multiple shopping carts on their web sites. The gold currency companies need to get together and come up with a system that allows one shopping cart to work for all the digital currencies. There is a system that would allow this. It is Vince Cate's SAXAS software. (The same software that Vince and Sean were arguing about the patents to last week.) No one wants to tie their company down to a proprietary software system like that either, though.We needa working group to form an API so that third party vendors, like Vince Cates, could create software to fit the specs. It would work the same way as HTML and browser companies. Anyone could make a financial transaction software that would meet the requirements of the API. This way we all have a choice. The gold currency companies need to realize that they would all benefit by doing this, even e-gold. Here's why: In a fragmented market, say of 500,000 users, e-gold might have 250,000 users, GoldMoney 40,000, Standard Reserve 50,000 and so on. Each currency is limited by this to its own niche market. By creating a system that allows all of these currencies to be compatible with each other all of the currencies now have a market of 500,000 and the users now have a selection of currencies. More choices give more freedom to the users. A larger market gives each currency provider a better opportunity to carve out a market niche. Everyone benefits. Of course, the largest currency provider, e-gold,has the least to gain from this; and the smallest new guys on the block, like Pecunix or GoldMoneygain the most. But the additional credibility that this type of market would lend to digital gold currencies would bolster consumer confidence and help to entice more merchants to switch over to gold currency. So even e-gold, the market leader, stands to benefit significantly and will get more business from this kind of arrangement. Any thoughts? HK Protect your privacy! - Get Freedom 2.0 at http://www.freedom.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] GoldAge meets SS
--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:48:50 -0800 From: Somebody To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GoldAge meets SS http://www.treas.gov/uss "The Secret Service is also responsible for the enforcement of laws relating to counterfeiting of obligations and securities of the United States, investigation of financial crimes including, but not limited to access device fraud, financial institution fraud, financial identity theft, computer fraud, and computer based attacks against aspects of our nation's financial, banking, and telecommunications infrastructure." "While most people associate the Secret Service with Presidential protection, our original mandate was to investigate the counterfeiting of U.S. currency--which we still do. Today our primary investigative mission is to safeguard the payment and financial systems of the United States. This has been historically accomplished through the enforcement of the counterfeiting statutes to preserve the integrity of United States currency, coin and financial obligations. Since 1984, our investigative responsibilities have expanded to include crimes that involve financial institution fraud, computer and telecommunications fraud, false identification documents, access device fraud, advance fee fraud, electronic funds transfers, and money laundering as it relates to our core violations. "The Secret Service believes that its primary enforcement jurisdictions will only increase in significance in the 21st Century. For this reason, the Secret Service has adopted a proactive approach to monitor the development of technology and continue to use it in the interest of federal, state, and local law enforcement. " "The Financial Crimes Division (FCD) plans, reviews, and coordinates criminal investigations involving Financial Systems Crimes, including bank fraud; access device fraud; telemarketing; telecommunications fraud (cellular and hard wire); computer fraud; automated payment systems and teller machines; direct deposit; investigations of forgery, uttering, alteration, false personation, or false claims involving U.S. Treasury Checks, U.S. Savings Bonds, U.S. Treasury Notes, bonds, and bills; electronic funds transfer (EFT) including Treasury disbursements and fraud within Treasury payment systems; fraud involving U.S. Department of Agriculture Food Coupons and Authority to Participate (ATP) cards; Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation investigations; Farm Credit Administration violations; fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents and fraudulent commercial, fictitious instruments,foreign securities. The Division also coordinates the activities of the U.S. Secret Service Organized Crimes Program, and oversees money laundering investigations." There you go. If there was alleged financial fraud or money- laundering involving Gold-Age (whether or not they are alleged to have participated or only been a conduit), then the SS would be the enforcement and investigation arm involved. --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Yada yada yada
George M of SR writes: "You are assuming there are only 500,000 potential users." The assumption was only for the purpose of illustration. It doesn't matter if there are 500,000 users, or 500,000,000 users. If all of the gold currencies are compatible with each other, they all have access to the total market. If they are not compatible, as is the case today, and each try to build their own global market, none of them will be as successful because the market will be fragmented. It's the same principle as the telephone or any other network. The utility of the network is directly propertional to the number of users on the network squared. If e-gold held half the market, and all of the competitors held the other half, by consolidating e-gold would double their available market. But the company would realize a fourfold increase (2 squared) in the utility of the total system to users. It doesn't matter who the market leader is, suppose Standard Reserve becomes number one. By making the currencies compatible with each other to the end users, the market leader will realize a tremendous increase in the worth of their service, as will everyone else in the market. George M of SR writes: "As of this writing, we have surpassed that number of committed accounts, and should have more than that in funded accounts before the year is out." George, I believe you. However, I do have a question. SR is 100% backed by e-gold right? So, if SR sells 40 thousand oz worth of Standard Gold, then e-gold's total reserve should rise by 40 thousand oz right? From October 2000 - December 2000 e-gold's reserve increased from 28,800 oz to 41,600 oz. That is a 12,800 oz increase (44%) over two months. From January 2001 - March 2001 the reserve increased by only 3,200 oz. (7% over two months). Standard Reserve launched the Instant Anywhere Card in January. If you have already sold 500,000 accounts, where is the money? "Bird in the hand worth two in the bush." HK - Original Message - From: "George Matyjewicz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Yada yada yada At 05:03 PM 3/29/2001 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gold currency companies need to realize that they would all benefit by doing this, even e-gold. Here's why: In a fragmented market, say of 500,000 users, e-gold might have 250,000 users, GoldMoney 40,000, Standard Reserve 50,000 and so on. Each currency is limited by this to its own niche market. You are assuming there are only 500,000 potential users. As of this writing, we have surpassed that number of committed accounts, and should have more than that in funded accounts before the year is out. Keep in mind there is a VERY LARGE non-gold economy out there. Stay tuned for some upcoming announcements. George __ George Matyjewicz, President Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Protect your privacy! - Get Freedom 2.0 at http://www.freedom.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New E-gold Exchange Service
Aren't there a few MMs still taking credit cards from new customers - and surviving? Like GoldPouchExpress (as mentioned previously). They must have their own methods to avoid losing $25K in two months. It's amazing what you can do when you call people on the phone. I believe GoldPouch calls all of their customers, and requires all of their customers to be in North America. ha! damn clever!! Yes, they verify by call back but they are not restricted to just North America. They funded a new customer (me) immediately after calling long-distance to Malaysia. Regards, Chandra --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Yada yada yada
At 10:25 PM 3/29/2001 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George M of SR writes: "As of this writing, we have surpassed that number of committed accounts, and should have more than that in funded accounts before the year is out." Standard Reserve launched the Instant Anywhere Card in January. If you have already sold 500,000 accounts, where is the money? "Bird in the hand worth two in the bush." Read my statement above once again. They are committed, but not yet funded. With large mass purchases, funding takes time. Some of our agents are now feeling the thrust of this, as we get calls as a new country is opened. Today some of our agents wanted to know what was going on in Japan, as they started getting a lot of orders. New customer acquisition agent there - part of Cash Cards International. I suspect it will take three months to fund these accounts. And the card was officially delivered in mid February. George __ George Matyjewicz, President Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Yada yada yada
George, please clarify for me: Are you saying that SR has more than 500,000 accounts? What does committed account mean?? Where are your statistics? The only way that a system that is backed by e-gold can have twice as many accounts as e-gold is if those accounts have about 1 atom of gold each in them. Tell the truth George, have you been creating accounts when no one is looking? :-) Dagny --- George Matyjewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:03 PM 3/29/2001 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gold currency companies need to realize that they would all benefit by doing this, even e-gold. Here's why: In a fragmented market, say of 500,000 users, e-gold might have 250,000 users, GoldMoney 40,000, Standard Reserve 50,000 and so on. Each currency is limited by this to its own niche market. You are assuming there are only 500,000 potential users. As of this writing, we have surpassed that number of committed accounts, and should have more than that in funded accounts before the year is out. Keep in mind there is a VERY LARGE non-gold economy out there. Stay tuned for some upcoming announcements. George __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Metal Savings
I note with interest that MS's public ballance is down from 16g to 10g, yet their website is still inactive. Is anyone able to access their gold in MS? Yes, absolutely no problem! I have moved kilograms in and out! Erich sent the direct IP number to get to the current site, to this list, it is working normally He is waiting for his server to be installed in some foreign country. I've lost the damn IP number as my email client recntly crashed (and I'm not even a HYIP scheme!!! :) ) I've also lost Erich temp. email, but again he posted it here.. JP If transactions are happening on a manual basis, could someone from MS please keep the list updated. If your still in business it would be re-assuring to know, if you are running off with the gold (or lost a lot somehow) then it would at least be polite to let people know if they have lost out or not. cya, Andrew... --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "Intel is a photo printing company. Microsoft makes a text editor. Amazon or eBay can be programmed in a day with Perl or Basic and run on a $500 machine. The whole of 'IT' (banking, finance, markets, etc.) is no more complicated than a $10 Casio name and address organizer. We are in the low-tech age." --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: List response
On 29 Mar 2001, at 9:24, Steve Renner wrote: Hi Paul, You are correct, you can transfer your funds from your E-Gold account to = your Cash Card account FREE and have access to them at 400,000+ ATMs = worldwide in any currency. And with our Reseller Program. you can earn = Cash from referring other Cash Card Members. Do you mean that the gold is transfered into the local currency at the exchange rate prevailing at the time of the transfer ? Claude --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Yada yada yada
On 29 Mar 2001, at 23:04, George Matyjewicz wrote: Read my statement above once again. They are committed, but not yet funded. George, most of these committments are for SR-USD if I read well what you have said over tha past many weeks. And this currency is not part of the Gold Economy. Claude --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously?
I don't know. I know one may have been a trojan virus situation, but the other two were password retrieval hacking jobs. Egold is aware of this problem and are doing NOTHING about it. Nor will they even help the victims get their funds back. If they had just responded immediatly to the calls, emails and faxes of these people, the funds could have been traced and retrieved before leaving the system. But No... it took days for egold to respond. If you guys have any inside clout with egold, perhaps you could get them to do something about this problem. Here are two of the account numbers that funds were siphoned off into: 08/29/200014:11 Payment Made 593147 Gold -19.315735 148757 19.315753 oz 273.60 To: Cees Huisman NL 1632 and 2/8/0105:43 Payment Made 1963567 Gold -56.660528 132992 1,762.312402 g 262.80 To: MetalSavings deposit accountMerchant Reference #: 723 Memo: credit to acct#143 Any ideas? - Original Message - From: Viking Coder To: e-gold Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously? Yes, it should be addressed... for some reason it hasn't been and it happens all the time! Do you mean people are hacking into e-gold's server and, without any foreknowledge of the passphrase, extracting money out of somebody's account?This is a very serious charge/matter and should be attended toimmeadiately.ORDo you mean people are sending out harvester viruses, like a version ofthe ILOVEYOU virus, that ask people for their e-gold acct# passphrase invarious assundry ways? These viruses could even take the form ofkeystroke loggers that get inserted into the system's Startup calls whenthe unknown executable is run, or when somebody is using MS Outlook andreceives (a simple preview without even opening the mail is sometimesenough) said virus-ladden email.Using MS Outlook without turning off several of it's 'conveniences' issomewhat similar to having the 'convenience' of having a house that willautomatically open it's doors whenever somebody approaches the house. Thisis great for your wanted visitors. However, when a thief approaches yourhouse...There is nothing that e-gold can do this. You are warned that you shouldnever disclose your passphrase to anybody but e-gold. You are cautioned tonever run executables from unknown/untrusted sources. If you do, er,well...Viking CoderWorth Two Cents?http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder---You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: PGP question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PGP private keys are stored in a keyring file on the hard disk. If an intruder were able to steal the private key ring, can he use the private key without the passphrase? No. Is it significantly easier to brute-force the passphrase if one has the private key ring? It depends on the quality of the passphrase. You don't have to worry if your passphrase is strong enough. (Beware that a strong passphrase is much longer than your average 8 char password). Edwin --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
