[e-gold-list] Re: totally random fact
> >So your point is that all advertising outlets, magazines/radio/TV/web, > >exist solely for the purpose of pushing more advertising. This isn't > >neccesarily true for *all* magazines, etc..., but let's go with it. > > > >Magazines, etc... exist for the sole purpose of advertising. > > > >You, and a few others, are rallying for e-gold to accept advertising. > > > >Then, e-gold would exist for the sole purpose of advertising. > > > > Nah, there's no logic there mate. "All greeks are liars.." etc. I was using you logic mate. You said... > > > magazines, like all media, are simply things that exist because of > > > advertising. If all media exists because of advertising, then if e-gold starts selling advertising space, e-gold will become another media outlet for advertising. Therefore, e-gold will exist because of advertising. > Re: e-gold, I just think there will appear some "e-gold related > enterprises", if, there some method to reach active egold users > appears. The only methods you have proposed involve turning e-gold into an advertising outlet. Large businesses probably want to wait until they can know something else about e-gold other than "weren't they raided by the US Secret Service?" or "aren't they just used for money laundering?". This will come from > While there is NOT a method to reach active egold users, the current > situation will remain: there will be no EREs other than silly > cottage-industry ones like Bananagold. Silly cottage-industry businesses, and their customers, will form the large (i.e. millions), stable (i.e. not using it just because they got $5 for creating an account) user base that will greatly accentuate e-gold's innate qualities of non-repudiability, world-wide usage, and instant clearance. Another silly cottage industry would be an indepedently run advertising list aimed at the people who are serious users of e-gold. This would target actual users of e-gold, not just people who want to get paid for the nothingness of receiving ad-based email. I still not seeing the net good of putting ads on the spend page. This could just be my aversion to being forced to view ads when I am not getting something for free. > I was, pathetically, worrying about "mere" $1 million to $20 million > -like enterprises that might like to become involved with e-gold. Are you talking about already existing businesses, or brand-new ventures? You keep using already existing businesses as references. An already existing business should have an already existing customer base. They can push e-gold on their existing customers. > >I don't think that Douglas sat down several years ago and thought "what's > >a new way to sell ads - Oh, I know, we'll create a gold backed currency". Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] amazon deals
Here's that deal they are having http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/gateway/shift-free-shipping5.gif FWIW My mate Mike was just saying, wouldn't it be funny is someone wrote a bot which .. dealt with Bananagold. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: MetalSavings withdrawals
>> I notice that MetalSavings has zero in its account, so that withdrawals are >> obviously impossible. >> >> Isn't zero a rather slim reserve? I would have thought twenty to fifty >> percent would be more like it. > >I agree, it has been at zero for a while now. Would anyone more patient >than me like to make an offer on 4.015g I have stuck in metalsavings? > No question, I'll give you 4 grams for it! Howzat? Spend to my metal savings account which is #29. JPM >cya, Andrew... --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: MetalSavings withdrawals
> I notice that MetalSavings has zero in its account, so that withdrawals are > obviously impossible. > > Isn't zero a rather slim reserve? I would have thought twenty to fifty > percent would be more like it. I agree, it has been at zero for a while now. Would anyone more patient than me like to make an offer on 4.015g I have stuck in metalsavings? cya, Andrew... --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] free shippin'
i notice Amazon (in a desperate bid to actually make money? :) ) is offering a lot of FREE shipping lately - example, buy any COMBINATION of books and music or dvds, and you get free shipping. Take advantage on bananagold.com. (All special offers, etc, are automatically passed on to bananagold spendors) JP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: MetalSavings withdrawals
>I notice that MetalSavings has zero in its account, so that withdrawals are >obviously impossible. > >Isn't zero a rather slim reserve? I would have thought twenty to fifty >percent would be more like it. heh -- you know, there may be a new service, along the lines of metal savings, coming soon. But it will be spectacularly more robust (to begin with, it wiould never lend e-gold to anyone in the e-gold community *wink* ), quite soon. BTW, I have had no trouble normally withdrawing (lots, kilos) of gold in and out of MS - although I have had to write to Erich each time. If I'm not mistaken he's basically shutting down that service. -- "I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing." --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: totally random fact
>> Someone (Viking?) was implying that the ADS in magazines SUPPLEMENT
>> magazines incomes -- ie, mazgines/newspapers get income from the
>> cover price.
>>
>> That is not correct (the cover price is all-but irrelevant),
>> magazines, like all media, are simply things that exist because of
>> advertising. People sit down and go "whats a new way to sell ads -
>> oh I know, we'll do a motorbike magazine / a business magazine / a
>> women's magazine". It's not the other way around.
>
>So your point is that all advertising outlets, magazines/radio/TV/web,
>exist solely for the purpose of pushing more advertising. This isn't
>neccesarily true for *all* magazines, etc..., but let's go with it.
>
>Magazines, etc... exist for the sole purpose of advertising.
>
>You, and a few others, are rallying for e-gold to accept advertising.
>
>Then, e-gold would exist for the sole purpose of advertising.
>
Nah, there's no logic there mate. "All greeks are liars.." etc.
You had commented or implied, in passing, that magazines get their
money from the cover price, and ads "supplement" that. That is
incorrect.
Re: e-gold, I just think there will appear some "e-gold related
enterprises", if, there some method to reach active egold users
appears.
While there is NOT a method to reach active egold users, the current
situation will remain: there will be no EREs other than silly
cottage-industry ones like Bananagold.
{During our discussion,though, you made an excellent point: I was,
pathetically, worrying about "mere" $1 million to $20 million -like
enterprises that might like to become involved with e-gold. There
will be no such enterprises until there is a way to reach e-gold
users. However, as you pointed out, truly ENORMOUS concerns, Coke,
Amex, G.E., etc, could start EREs and just blow the odd hundred
million on consumer advertising to reach users -- so concerns of THAT
size are exempt from the need for any method to reach e-gold users.}
>I don't think that Douglas sat down several years ago and thought "what's
>a new way to sell ads - Oh, I know, we'll create a gold backed currency".
>
>
>Viking Coder
>
>Worth Two Cents?
>http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder
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"I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some
fucking idiot playing." --Michael T. McNamara
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[e-gold-list] MetalSavings withdrawals
I notice that MetalSavings has zero in its account, so that withdrawals are obviously impossible. Isn't zero a rather slim reserve? I would have thought twenty to fifty percent would be more like it. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: it never ends!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > At 7:52 AM -0700 6/26/01, Charles Evans wrote: > >>> Please pardon the impersonality of this message. It is going to > >>> several recipients. > >>> > >>> While attending a conference in Scotland, I was served a > >>> 15-page civil complaint, initiated by Gold & Silver Reserve, this > >>> morning. > >>> > >>> They accuse me, personally, of Misappropriation of Trade > >>> Secrets, Tortious Interference with Prospective Economic > >>> Advantage, Unfair Business Practices, and Breach of the Duty > >>> of Loyalty. > >>> > >>> I categorically dispute these claims. > >>> > >>> If this adversely affects your willingness to do business with me, > >>> please let me know. > >>> > >>> Charles Evans Great! Sueing past employees! How is e-gold going to attract talented employees in the future? What affect is this going to have on their current employees? Doug, have you flipped your lid? Are you off your rocker? Do you realize that by sueing Ian and Charles (both highly respected people, partly due to a high degree of quality to their characters) that you have probably guaranteed that you will never, ever get good financial cryptographers to work for you again? Word of this is spreading fast. Do you think you have all the code that you will ever need? Not a chance. You can drive e-gold into the ground but the world won't care. We already have GoldMoney and soon E-Bullion, and more to come. And, it is my opinion that you're not the first founder and CEO, however bright and knowledgable, that should be relieved of his CEO duties. Bob > > I feel like a BOZO because *I* have never been sued by GSR !!! > > I'm so out of it. I know man. It's a bummer. But you have got to try to pull yourself out of it. It's not healthy being bummed out for too long. Come on, JP. Get a grip on it. Remember, you're not alone. Bob --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What good is "backing"?
> The thing is, there are probably cheaper ways to get a physical bar of gold > in either Dubai or London, but since it can be done IMO someone's probably > someday going to do it (but it won't be me!). IMO, speaking only for myself, > etc... > JMR Well, the important thing is, is that if there is a 'run' on e-Gold, then several market makers COULD redeem bars of gold and sell them, returning less than their 'spot-price' in e-gold. This will ensure that everyone CAN take their money OUT of e-gold, if they choose, even if at a small loss. SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] future price
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/81 Looks like another up trend has been established, although I wasn't impressed by today's volume. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What good is "backing"?
At 03:30 PM -0700 06/26/2001, Vince Callaway wrote: ... >Just to be the Devils Advocate, what is E-Gold's redemption proceedure? > >Seems like they have left it up to the market makers to do that, same as >OSGold. > >From the site: >To take physical delivery of metal from your account, >you will need to have an available balance of at least >the weight of the smallest individual item displayed in >Examiner. > >If you would like to take delivery in this situation, >please contact e-gold Ltd. to arrange ... The thing is, there are probably cheaper ways to get a physical bar of gold in either Dubai or London, but since it can be done IMO someone's probably someday going to do it (but it won't be me!). IMO, speaking only for myself, etc... JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What good is "backing"?
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Viking Coder wrote: > Very true. Even if they claimed to match circulation 100% by hard > un-allocated metal, without a redemption policy they are not a gold backed > currency. Until OSGold implements a redemption procedure, they will be a > EGC "Ether Gold Currency". Just to be the Devils Advocate, what is E-Gold's redemption proceedure? Seems like they have left it up to the market makers to do that, same as OSGold. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Offshore Banking
Can someone give me some information about the Anglo-American Bank? http://www.angloamericanbank.com I would appreciate getting the information from someone who has an account in that bank already (No rumours please, just facts). Thanks in advance for your replies. Win 400 grams of gold! Buy your ticket at http://www.goldenraffle.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What good is "backing"?
> > They have. They made a proud, high-faluting claim of being 150% backed. > > Then they described what they actually meant when they said 150% backed; > > 50% paper fiat cash, 50% paper gold certificates, 50% gold. Which means > > they aren't 100% backed by hard gold. > > More to the point: they have no way to redeem anything. Without > redemption "backing" is utterly meaningless. Very true. Even if they claimed to match circulation 100% by hard un-allocated metal, without a redemption policy they are not a gold backed currency. Until OSGold implements a redemption procedure, they will be a EGC "Ether Gold Currency". Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] What good is "backing"?
> > "The only one who is currently an "ether gold" is OSGold." > > > > If they are not 100% backed, then I fully agree with you, but where is the > > evidence. It seems to me that we just don't know what OSGold is since they > > have not disclosed it. > > They have. They made a proud, high-faluting claim of being 150% backed. > Then they described what they actually meant when they said 150% backed; > 50% paper fiat cash, 50% paper gold certificates, 50% gold. Which means > they aren't 100% backed by hard gold. More to the point: they have no way to redeem anything. Without redemption "backing" is utterly meaningless. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Paritate?.....................
Fact is it does happen OFTEN and it's going to keep happening. In many cases the reasons why it is happening may be disturbing. Here's a another example this week: This is a story filed under "Oddly Enough" on the Iwon news service (run by CBS I believe. Read the second to last paragraph. What sort of "pledges" to the IMF would cause a bank to close its doors? ISTANBUL (Reuters) - A guard at a Turkish state bankrobbed his own cashiers and distributed $25,000 to passers-by in what police said was a response to the planned closure of the bank. The security guard at an Emlak Bank branch in Istanbul brandished his pistol and forced a teller to empty a safe before running out into the street firing in the air, notes fluttering from a bag of cash, Anatolian news agency said Friday. When he noticed the falling notes he threw some in the air, and handed out the rest to passers-by and shopkeepers. Anatolian said the guard had been working for four years at Emlak Bank, which Turkey now plans to close as part of pledges to the International Monetary Fund. Police said he was depressed at the prospect of losing his job. === NOthing would make me happier than if that was true. However the reality is that the second after they get back up and running, everyone is going to pull their money out. Where are they going to get that money? They know this. I have been trying to open up a new account there for the last two months. I thought they were being even more stupid tan usual, but alas, they were doing me a favor. If Paritate rises from the ashes, it will fall soon after. Not unless it can convince a lot of very nervous people that their money is safe. If you have an idea on how to do that, let them know. On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:55:38 -0400, Steven wrote: > > Hello, > > Your assumptions are a bit premature and emotionally tainted. > > Paritate Bank is experiencing problems right now. There is no word on > the permanency of this issue, but the bank has personally told us that > everything should be operational in two or three days. > > It seems that Paritate Bank has placed a lot of the bank equity in the > US stock market and the value of the securities they are holding has > dropped in worth to the point where the liquidity of the bank is now an > issue. They are working to fix this problem by increasing the equity of > the bank through potential investors. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ If you found the contents of this email useful to you, and you have an e-gold account, please feel free to follow this link: http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?107685&[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Paritate?.....................
I sincerely hope you are right, but at this point I think my vacation money is gone! On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:06:58 +0200, offshoresurfer wrote: > > > > > Paritate is dead. What is the first thing every account holder is going to > > do? pull out their money. Even if the situation gets resolved, no one is > > going to trust Paritate any more. This is one of those things you don't let > > happen. ONce it happens, the bank is dead. Even if someone bought the bank > > at this point, they would be buying an empty box. They would really have to > > do some fast talking to keep even 10% of their accounts in the bank. > > I understand your point, but a rescue package from another buyer is often an optimum solution for everybody. Just a couple of years ago the Riga Commerce Bank went through similar problems but was bought out by a German bank and now everybody is happy. > > offshoresurfer > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ If you found the contents of this email useful to you, and you have an e-gold account, please feel free to follow this link: http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?107685&[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Paritate?.....................
NOthing would make me happier than if that was true. However the reality is that the second after they get back up and running, everyone is going to pull their money out. Where are they going to get that money? They know this. I have been trying to open up a new account there for the last two months. I thought they were being even more stupid tan usual, but alas, they were doing me a favor. If Paritate rises from the ashes, it will fall soon after. Not unless it can convince a lot of very nervous people that their money is safe. If you have an idea on how to do that, let them know. On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:55:38 -0400, Steven wrote: > > Hello, > > Your assumptions are a bit premature and emotionally tainted. > > Paritate Bank is experiencing problems right now. There is no word on > the permanency of this issue, but the bank has personally told us that > everything should be operational in two or three days. > > It seems that Paritate Bank has placed a lot of the bank equity in the > US stock market and the value of the securities they are holding has > dropped in worth to the point where the liquidity of the bank is now an > issue. They are working to fix this problem by increasing the equity of > the bank through potential investors. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ If you found the contents of this email useful to you, and you have an e-gold account, please feel free to follow this link: http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?107685&[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Paritate?.....................
> Paritate is dead. What is the first thing every account holder is going to > do? pull out their money. Even if the situation gets resolved, no one is > going to trust Paritate any more. This is one of those things you don't let > happen. ONce it happens, the bank is dead. Even if someone bought the bank > at this point, they would be buying an empty box. They would really have to > do some fast talking to keep even 10% of their accounts in the bank. I understand your point, but a rescue package from another buyer is often an optimum solution for everybody. Just a couple of years ago the Riga Commerce Bank went through similar problems but was bought out by a German bank and now everybody is happy. offshoresurfer --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters
"James M. Ray" wrote: > > http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/update/story.jsp?story=79745 > > "If you don't have any facts, why waste valuable time asking for them? > Just skim a few articles and then dream up whatever sounds right!" > I don't like the tone of these recent news articles. "ungovernable", "money laundering" and other statist blatherings. Well they're right about one thing - this idea of digital gold money is well and truly out there, and I suspect the free market will find routes around any attempt to stomp or subvert it. I just hope the current companies have structured themselves to be hard to stomp. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Paritate?.....................
Hello, Your assumptions are a bit premature and emotionally tainted. Paritate Bank is experiencing problems right now. There is no word on the permanency of this issue, but the bank has personally told us that everything should be operational in two or three days. It seems that Paritate Bank has placed a lot of the bank equity in the US stock market and the value of the securities they are holding has dropped in worth to the point where the liquidity of the bank is now an issue. They are working to fix this problem by increasing the equity of the bank through potential investors. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Paritate?.....................
Paritate is dead. What is the first thing every account holder is going to do? pull out their money. Even if the situation gets resolved, no one is going to trust Paritate any more. This is one of those things you don't let happen. ONce it happens, the bank is dead. Even if someone bought the bank at this point, they would be buying an empty box. They would really have to do some fast talking to keep even 10% of their accounts in the bank. On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:32:03 -0400, Steven wrote: > > Paritate bank is closed right now, sort of. They are having a dispute > fo some sort with Bank of Latvia which is like the central bank in > Latvia. The Bank of Latvia suspended the international bank licence but they > are still registered as a local Credit Union. Paritate said they > should have everything wrapped up in a day or two, which hopefully > will be the case. > > All the best, > Steven > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ If you found the contents of this email useful to you, and you have an e-gold account, please feel free to follow this link: http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?107685&[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for?
On 26 Jun 2001, at 13:58, Viking Coder wrote: > They have. They made a proud, high-faluting claim of being 150% > backed. Then they described what they actually meant when they said > 150% backed; 50% paper fiat cash, 50% paper gold certificates, 50% > gold. Which means they aren't 100% backed by hard gold. Indeed, I think they did... but I have seen this claim only here on the e-gold list. It is nowhere to be found on their website nor is there any detailed on their coprorate governance. As such this backing is OK, depending on the nature of paper gold certificates. But until they really published what they are all about, I am not willing to take them seriously. Claude http://www.goldcurrencies.ca http://www.ormetal.com == Claude Cormier Public Key http://www.ormetal.com/PGPkey.html == --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Paritate?.....................
Paritate bank is closed right now, sort of. They are having a dispute fo some sort with Bank of Latvia which is like the central bank in Latvia. The Bank of Latvia suspended the international bank licence but they are still registered as a local Credit Union. Paritate said they should have everything wrapped up in a day or two, which hopefully will be the case. All the best, Steven --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for?
> "The only one who is currently an "ether gold" is OSGold." > > If they are not 100% backed, then I fully agree with you, but where is the > evidence. It seems to me that we just don't know what OSGold is since they > have not disclosed it. They have. They made a proud, high-faluting claim of being 150% backed. Then they described what they actually meant when they said 150% backed; 50% paper fiat cash, 50% paper gold certificates, 50% gold. Which means they aren't 100% backed by hard gold. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Goldavenue.com
26 June 2001 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE GoldAvenue.com Launches GAExchange.com New B2B Platform Promises to Enhance the Global Trading Capabilities for the Gold Industry Geneva, Switzerland, 26 June ? GoldAvenue today announced the launch of its first business-to-business operations, the GAExchange. This web-based trading platform enables gold market professionals to quickly purchase a wide range of physical gold products and supports spot trades and loans, all in a secure environment. In addition, GAExchange offers a host of related services such as real-time pricing, reports and analysis, market information, and the GoldAvenue Encylopaedia. GAExchange made its debut last week in the Italian market, and GoldAvenue plans to expand both its service offerings and its global market penetration. Initially, GAExchange will service primarily banks and other large consumers of gold, but as its areas of operation evolve, it and its affiliated companies will progressively expand its client base. For all gold bullion transactions effected, a subsidiary of J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., is the counter-party, with GAExchange acting as its agent. J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., a premier global financial services firm, is one of the three founding investors in GoldAvenue, together with AngloGold, the world's largest gold mining company, and PAMP, the world's largest private gold refiner. Together the three represent some of the main players on the international gold stage. "We are delighted to be introducing a valuable online channel like GAExchange to the gold marketplace," said Mehdi Barkhordar, CEO of GoldAvenue. "We have taken the well-established principles of trading, and used Internet technology to make them more efficient and cost-effective. We believe this is just the beginning of what the Internet can do for the gold business." ABOUT GOLDAVENUE: The three founding investors, AngloGold, PAMP, and J.P. Morgan Chase, announced GoldAvenue in April 2000, as a natural extension of their existing activities. It is an independent entity comprised of two distinct businesses, designed to service consumers, investors, and gold professionals alike. As a comprehensive marketplace for gold "in all its forms," GoldAvenue will provide an extensive range of gold products and services. Later this year, GoldAvenue will launch a second, retail-focused company and launch its consumer operations, offering a dynamic array of high-quality gold jewellery, watches, and accessories through its web site and catalogue. For more information please visit www.gaexchange.com / www.goldavenue.com For trading inquiries, please contact Frederic Panizzutti, +41 22 718 3368; e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.gaexchange.com. For all other inquiries, please contact Phoebe Myers, +41 22 718 3311; e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.goldavenue.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for?
"The only one who is currently an "ether gold" is OSGold." If they are not 100% backed, then I fully agree with you, but where is the evidence. It seems to me that we just don't know what OSGold is since they have not disclosed it. They might be 100% backed, they might be pure ether (no backing private fiat money). One would think that any currency issuer wishing to be taken seriously would at least have publically available annual audits by an outside firm. DigiGold would also fall under "AUG equivalent" if they went to their 25% backing plan. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters
> Actually, you got that backwards: > > GoldMoney is incorporated in the Bahamas > Their operational corporate HQ is in the Isle of Man. Oops... GoldMoney's corporate HQ is operated by Net Transactions Ltd. which is incorporated in, and run out of, the Bahamas. GoldMoney's administrative HQ is operated by Discus Ltd. which is run out of the Isle of Man. Their domain name is registered to G.M. Network Ltd.; same address in the Isle of Man. Their servers are located in St. Helier, on Jersey Island, also in the British Isles. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters
On 26 Jun 2001, at 12:02, Viking Coder wrote: > > Well, Gold Money IS incorporated in the Bahamas. > > > > Their corporate headquarters are in the Bahamas, but they are > incorporated out of, and have their administrative headquarters in, > the British Isles (Isle of Man). The GoldMoney system is operated by Net Transactions Ltd., which holds the exclusive right of use of the GoldMoney trademark. Net Transactions Ltd. is a limited liability company incorporated in the Bahamas, registration number 115,419B. Claude http://www.goldcurrencies.ca http://www.ormetal.com == Claude Cormier Public Key http://www.ormetal.com/PGPkey.html == --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for?
> A currency that is 100% backed by gold may sell itself as "AUG" or "grams of
> gold".
To which e-gold & GoldMoney, and soon e-bullion, can all stand and proudly
proclaim. Standard Reserve's gold-backed side of their accounts also meet
this qualification, even if they are 1 step removed, being 100% backed by
e-gold.
> This in my mind would solve the problem of diluting the value of gold by
> selling "ether gold" ("ether gold" = selling units of gold that are not
> actually backed by gold.).
The only one who is currently an "ether gold" is OSGold.
Viking Coder
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[e-gold-list] RE: Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for?
> A currency that is 100% backed by gold may sell itself as "AUG" or "grams of
> gold".
To which e-gold & GoldMoney, and soon e-bullion, can all stand and proudly
proclaim. Standard Reserve's gold-backed side of their accounts also meet
this qualification, even if they are 1 step removed, being 100% backed by
e-gold.
> This in my mind would solve the problem of diluting the value of gold by
> selling "ether gold" ("ether gold" = selling units of gold that are not
> actually backed by gold.).
The only one who is currently an "ether gold" is OSGold.
Viking Coder
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[e-gold-list] Re: totally random fact
> Someone (Viking?) was implying that the ADS in magazines SUPPLEMENT > magazines incomes -- ie, mazgines/newspapers get income from the > cover price. > > That is not correct (the cover price is all-but irrelevant), > magazines, like all media, are simply things that exist because of > advertising. People sit down and go "whats a new way to sell ads - > oh I know, we'll do a motorbike magazine / a business magazine / a > women's magazine". It's not the other way around. So your point is that all advertising outlets, magazines/radio/TV/web, exist solely for the purpose of pushing more advertising. This isn't neccesarily true for *all* magazines, etc..., but let's go with it. Magazines, etc... exist for the sole purpose of advertising. You, and a few others, are rallying for e-gold to accept advertising. Then, e-gold would exist for the sole purpose of advertising. I don't think that Douglas sat down several years ago and thought "what's a new way to sell ads - Oh, I know, we'll create a gold backed currency". Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for?
I think, Sam, that you are on the right track there. Fractional reserve is
fine IF the institution tells the customer in the user agreement, "If you
ask for your money at any time we MIGHT give it to you, or we MIGHT NOT."
Perhaps a better way of dealing with that problem is short-term rolling CD's
where you lock your money in for a week or a month at a time. This gives
the institution some predicatability and run protection.
As the issue applies to gold digital currencies, I would suggest the
following standard should be adopted in the industry:
A currency that is 100% backed by gold may sell itself as "AUG" or "grams of
gold".
Any financial instrument, whether it be a currency, investment, or other,
that is only partially backed by gold or gold currency, and partially backed
by something else (whether something else is "nothing" or "gold stocks" or
"mutual funds" or "currency basket") may sell itself as "AUG equivalent" or
come up with some abbreviation so that the consumer can tell that this
product is measuring it's value in units of AUG, but isn't actually AUG.
Kind of like selling a mutual fund denominated in dollars instead of shares.
The mutual fund is not backed by dollars, but it is a liquid investment that
is easily converted to dollars, so you just denominate it in dollar
equivalents.
This in my mind would solve the problem of diluting the value of gold by
selling "ether gold" ("ether gold" = selling units of gold that are not
actually backed by gold.).
- Original Message -
From: "Samuel Mc Kee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:16 AM
Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good
for?
> I am quite possibly going to brand myself a pariah on this list by
standing
> up in favor of fractional reserve banking, though certainly not its
current
> incarnation.
>
> There is nothing wrong with fractional reserves per se. The problem is the
> incestuous relationship between the "checking" and the "savings" parts of
a
> bank. The "checking" part should be 100% backed by cash in the vault. The
> "savings" part should be a completely seperate entity that holds an
account
> at the bank and has no claim on the bank other than the balance of its own
> checking account. The two institutions should be incorporated separately,
> and neither should own a piece of the other.
>
> Ideally, if Sam's Savings has five million in deposits, one million in
> reserves, then the one million should be in a checking account owned by
> Sam's Savings at Joe Blow's Bank, and it should be 100% backed by cold,
hard
> cash in the vault. Sam's Savings would then pay monthly fees to Joe Blow's
> Bank to store the cash (does this sound familiar?). If Sam's Savings goes
> belly-up because of loan defaults, depositors and whoever else has a claim
> against it can come after the million but can't touch the rest of the
money
> in Joe Blow's vault because it never belonged to Sam's Savings in any way.
> If Joe's Bank goes belly-up...well, Joe's Bank _can't_ go belly-up.
>
> The virtue of this system is that people who want to earn interest can
> voluntarily deposit their money into Sam's Savings and understand that
they
> are taking a risk. People who want their money safe can keep it in a
> checking account at Joe Blow's bank and understand that they are giving up
a
> chance to earn interest and will actually pay monthly fees. It's their
> choice.
>
> Sadly, the banking system we actually have is the evil twin of the system
I
> just described. In our present banking system the two entities are
> comingled, so customers have no choice. Someone with all his money in a
> checking account is put at risk because the bank can go belly-up because
of
> bad loans.
>
> Of course, banks are "insured" by the FDIC. That simply means that
> taxpayers, who have no say in the banks' decision-making process, are
forced
> to pay for irresponsible decisions made by bank managers. When a bank
fails
> the politicians, bank regulators and all their relatives are warned in
> advance so that they can withdraw their funds. The remaining mess is then
> paid for by the taxpayers.
>
>
>
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[e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters
Actually, you got that backwards: GoldMoney is incorporated in the Bahamas Their operational corporate HQ is in the Isle of Man. - Original Message - From: "Viking Coder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters > > Well, Gold Money IS incorporated in the Bahamas. > > > > Their corporate headquarters are in the Bahamas, but they are incorporated > out of, and have their administrative headquarters in, the British Isles > (Isle of Man). > > This reporter did even less research than Declan did a little while ago. > Leo has fully earned the title of 'schmuck'; even to the point of removing > it from Declan. > > Leo even claims that the idea of a GBC was created after the dot-com bust. > e-gold went live long before anybody ever heard the phrase "dot-com". > > > Viking Coder > > Worth Two Cents? > http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters
> Well, Gold Money IS incorporated in the Bahamas. > Their corporate headquarters are in the Bahamas, but they are incorporated out of, and have their administrative headquarters in, the British Isles (Isle of Man). This reporter did even less research than Declan did a little while ago. Leo has fully earned the title of 'schmuck'; even to the point of removing it from Declan. Leo even claims that the idea of a GBC was created after the dot-com bust. e-gold went live long before anybody ever heard the phrase "dot-com". Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters
Well, Gold Money IS incorporated in the Bahamas. - Original Message - From: "SnowDog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters > > > http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/update/story.jsp?story=79745 > > > > "If you don't have any facts, why waste valuable time asking for them? > > Just skim a few articles and then dream up whatever sounds right!" > > JMR > > Incredible! Did they get anything right? > > * Gold Currencies are only 6 months old. > * Amazon.com is a big promoter > * GoldMoney is based in the Bahamas > * Exchange fees are a flat $1.00 US > > > SnowDog > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters
At 08:53 AM -0500 06/26/2001, SnowDog wrote: >> http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/update/story.jsp?story=79745 >> >> "If you don't have any facts, why waste valuable time asking for them? >> Just skim a few articles and then dream up whatever sounds right!" >> JMR > >Incredible! Did they get anything right? ... Mr. Lewis does meet the "makes Jim Ray very sarcastic" requirement. Seriously, I think he falls into a "beyond hope for any cluestick" category, so I haven't even bothered to write him or try to set him straight. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for?
I am quite possibly going to brand myself a pariah on this list by standing up in favor of fractional reserve banking, though certainly not its current incarnation. There is nothing wrong with fractional reserves per se. The problem is the incestuous relationship between the "checking" and the "savings" parts of a bank. The "checking" part should be 100% backed by cash in the vault. The "savings" part should be a completely seperate entity that holds an account at the bank and has no claim on the bank other than the balance of its own checking account. The two institutions should be incorporated separately, and neither should own a piece of the other. Ideally, if Sam's Savings has five million in deposits, one million in reserves, then the one million should be in a checking account owned by Sam's Savings at Joe Blow's Bank, and it should be 100% backed by cold, hard cash in the vault. Sam's Savings would then pay monthly fees to Joe Blow's Bank to store the cash (does this sound familiar?). If Sam's Savings goes belly-up because of loan defaults, depositors and whoever else has a claim against it can come after the million but can't touch the rest of the money in Joe Blow's vault because it never belonged to Sam's Savings in any way. If Joe's Bank goes belly-up...well, Joe's Bank _can't_ go belly-up. The virtue of this system is that people who want to earn interest can voluntarily deposit their money into Sam's Savings and understand that they are taking a risk. People who want their money safe can keep it in a checking account at Joe Blow's bank and understand that they are giving up a chance to earn interest and will actually pay monthly fees. It's their choice. Sadly, the banking system we actually have is the evil twin of the system I just described. In our present banking system the two entities are comingled, so customers have no choice. Someone with all his money in a checking account is put at risk because the bank can go belly-up because of bad loans. Of course, banks are "insured" by the FDIC. That simply means that taxpayers, who have no say in the banks' decision-making process, are forced to pay for irresponsible decisions made by bank managers. When a bank fails the politicians, bank regulators and all their relatives are warned in advance so that they can withdraw their funds. The remaining mess is then paid for by the taxpayers. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] the end in sight
>Goldfingercoin.com is launching its new gold currency very soon. > >http://www.e-bullion.com/ > Gee, it will be funny to see the philosophical debate there about them not letting trusted, large merchants who want to advertise on their site to e-bullion users, do so. (Previous sentence: sarcasm.) Looks like that about it wraps it up for e-gold. "E-Bullion.com is controlled and administered by true professionals in the precious metals trade. " they could add... "E-Bullion.com is controlled and administered by true professionals in the precious metals trade, who do not spend all their time suing everyone" --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] it never ends!!!
At 7:52 AM -0700 6/26/01, Charles Evans wrote: >>> Please pardon the impersonality of this message. It is going to >>> several recipients. >>> >>> While attending a conference in Scotland, I was served a >>> 15-page civil complaint, initiated by Gold & Silver Reserve, this >>> morning. >>> >>> They accuse me, personally, of Misappropriation of Trade >>> Secrets, Tortious Interference with Prospective Economic >>> Advantage, Unfair Business Practices, and Breach of the Duty >>> of Loyalty. >>> >>> I categorically dispute these claims. >>> >>> If this adversely affects your willingness to do business with me, >>> please let me know. >>> >>> Charles Evans I feel like a BOZO because *I* have never been sued by GSR !!! I'm so out of it. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Pay-Spam
>Frankly, the demand for a list of all 280,000 e-gold customers would be a >low quality list even if e-gold did rent it out. Only about 40% of those >accounts actually have money in them, and even fewer have more than $10 >worth. > Fascinating, I now know of 3-4 clients that will pay "anything" (say, $100 per thousand impressions -- 50 TIMES more than normal doubleclick rates .. maybe much more ..) to reach active users --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: More competition / patents
>Dagny Taggart wrote: >> >> e-gold does not have a patent in anything. So what do >> they have to offer? > >Defensive patents are there to protect against patent lawsuits, not to >start them. If that's what he's doing, he's only sitting on the patent >as a means to wrangle a ceasefire if some other company attacks. another exciting patent buzzword is "submarine patent", which is perhaps what Mr T's was? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 21, 2001
>Anybody who opened that attachment from David now has a trojan virus on >their system. I have a Mac, so I for one am unharmed, but "david" best not ever meet me or my mates in person. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] totally random fact
Someone (Viking?) was implying that the ADS in magazines SUPPLEMENT magazines incomes -- ie, mazgines/newspapers get income from the cover price. That is not correct (the cover price is all-but irrelevant), magazines, like all media, are simply things that exist because of advertising. People sit down and go "whats a new way to sell ads - oh I know, we'll do a motorbike magazine / a business magazine / a women's magazine". It's not the other way around. But don't take my word for it, I've only ever bought a couple hundred million of magazine ads on three continents, I asked a mate who does the finances for newspaper empires, "M, what percentage of a newspaper or magazine's income is derived from the cover price. I thought it was nothing, but you tell me to be sure..." At 11:29 PM -0500 6/21/01, - - wrote: >It is around 0 - 2 %, it covers the cost of printing if they are >lucky. Just an example, a full-page ad in the Wall Street Journal is >$110,000. Since a magazine or newspaper has to have at least 50% >editorial (that's why you get all these shit articles when you buy a >fat magazine - they have more ads then content, so they just make >stuff up!) you can do a simple calculation. Today's WSJ has 108 >pages. Assuming they have an equal split that's 54 "pages" of ads. >Factoring out volume discounts and small ads pay more per square >inch, you can assume the average page cost is still 110k. $110k x 54 >is $5,940,000 - just for today! > >The only reason they charge a cover price is to offer a "discount" >to subscribers, so that subscribers feel good for getting a >'dicsount' (it's normal 'price-point' decision making like for many >products). They could give a shit what you pay, but the only thing >that counts for determining ad rates is your subscriber base. That >is why magazines are obsessed with getting and retaining >subscribers, and keep sending you the magazine for life even if you >stop paying - the more you have the more you can charge for ads. >There is an entire independent bureau that monitors this because it >is so important. > >It is definitely a good business. Remember the guy I told you I >worked for that is now at AOL Time Warner and is on the Forbes 400 >list? He started out by producing the "Mac Buyers Guide". All it >was, was a list of all the software you could buy for the Mac and he >hired some guy to write some reviews. He expanded into gaming and >all the *fringe* electronic stuff in the eighties. He sold it, for >stock, to AOL very early on because they wanted his most valuable >asset "his subscriber list". The damn stock is now worth over $140 >million!! (At the time the stock was only worth 20 million, but >still quite a haul.) > >Publishing is the way to make some big bucks fast. (think Citizen >Kane) The problem is finding a niche that can generate a shit-load >of subscribers! > >Probably a lot more than you wanted to know, but hey, I had a few >minutes to spare!! Have a great trip! > >-- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] egold newsletter
>I dunno if e-gold has considered it but they might want to consider sending >an electronic >newsletter to all its account holders periodically, new businesses could >advertise in the >newletter. It could be as simple as sending the most recent news from the >"e-gold News" >page. If the newsletter had other items of interest such as on privacy, >liberty, etc, it might >end up be forwarded to others and end end up pulling in new customers. >Of course, people should be able to opt out from receiving the news letter. > great idea --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE!
Sorry, it is a terrible coincidence. I responded before I heard about the actual closure. Regards, Ian Green > -Original Message- > From: Glencannon Group Ltd. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2001 11:34 PM > To: Ian Green; e-gold Discussion > Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] RE: URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE! > > > This is no rumor. The National Bank of Latvia closed the bank by > withdrawing its license. This took place yesterday morning. I would like > to know what happened, but don't go blaming the messenger. The > information > is important. I wish it had been delivered earlier. > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:18:55 +1000, Ian Green wrote: > > > You're kidding me! Someone just speculated on this list on the damage > that > > could be done if the mechanism of an "I love you" or "Anna Kournikova" > > virus, were used to propagate a claim that a particular bank > is bankrupt, > > and people should immediately withdraw their money! (The main mechanism > is > > the use of email and an instruction to spread the word, or sometimes > > automated forwarding.) Now only hours later someone does it! > > --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters
> http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/update/story.jsp?story=79745 > > "If you don't have any facts, why waste valuable time asking for them? > Just skim a few articles and then dream up whatever sounds right!" > JMR This is a PR job. Facts are irrelevant. Positioning and perception are not. If this were traced back you would most likely find it came from one of the PR houses around the traps and the Journalist has just put his name to it. IF it is not under a house name. Newspapers are generally short staffed and journalists have little time to go out diggin' for facts so they tend to grab the PR crap churned out by lobby groups and 'Public Affairs' front companies owned out by government depts. and special interests. We have the same here. Companies that regularly do nothing but churn out 'press releases' or articles for publication and anyone who gets up their vested interest nose gets a real shit rundown in the 'press'. e.g. Right now it is winter and every winter the drug companies go on a big push to sell lots a vaccines so there is a PR scare being generated right now. "Oh...There is a 'new' flu epidemic coming... coming? "Yes it is in New Zealand right now but sure as onions are onions it will be here in Aussie soon! Everyone in Australia should get vaccinated now! This gets put out as news. Talk about free advertising. People I have observed vaccinated with the crap get flu immediately. In June each year the same 'News Releases' are churned out. So if someone somewhere with some influence does not like the fact that e-gold and Goldmoney are starting to inch into their business with a better product you can expect some little articles about e-gold being 'not quite right' to come out first. Nothing hard, just a soft perception change or seed of doubt thrown down. Then after a while something a bit stronger. A questioning of the ethics of e-gold and its proponents. This is followed by questions. Questions, after all are not accusations. So you can ask all sorts of nasty questions in all innocence. "How do we know they are honest?". "Can we be really sure". "Is this money laundering?". Real positioning stuff.. Then 60 minutes or one of the daily public affairs programs that gives out PR releases as news will do a 'sudden 'expose' and find and expose some poor bastard who has been allegedly 'done over' by e-gold or a Market Maker. will consist of emotive statements and a scarcity of fact. There will be a call for restrictions to 'protect the innocent'. Soon everyone will 'know' that e-gold is a scam and more rights will have been eroded. So don't expect accuracy or honesty and don't expect the big boys to come along and say. "Hey ya doin' a swell job fellows!", 'cos they won't. Kind regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters
> http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/update/story.jsp?story=79745 > > "If you don't have any facts, why waste valuable time asking for them? > Just skim a few articles and then dream up whatever sounds right!" > JMR Incredible! Did they get anything right? * Gold Currencies are only 6 months old. * Amazon.com is a big promoter * GoldMoney is based in the Bahamas * Exchange fees are a flat $1.00 US SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE!
This is no rumor. The National Bank of Latvia closed the bank by withdrawing its license. This took place yesterday morning. I would like to know what happened, but don't go blaming the messenger. The information is important. I wish it had been delivered earlier. On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:18:55 +1000, Ian Green wrote: > You're kidding me! Someone just speculated on this list on the damage that > could be done if the mechanism of an "I love you" or "Anna Kournikova" > virus, were used to propagate a claim that a particular bank is bankrupt, > and people should immediately withdraw their money! (The main mechanism is > the use of email and an instruction to spread the word, or sometimes > automated forwarding.) Now only hours later someone does it! > > Rumours like this have brought down many a stronger financial institution > (because of partial reserve backing). Please, Destiny Worldwide, provide > verifiable primary evidence, and do not ask people to "spread the word" on > imperfect and incomplete information. > > I don't have an account with this bank, but I still would not like a run > like this to bring down this or any other bank that provides good services > to small, not necessarily rich, individual international clients, that most > banks refuse to provide. > > > Ian Green > http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Destiny Worldwide Net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2001 7:26 AM > > To: e-gold Discussion > > Subject: [e-gold-list] URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE! > > > > > > I realize that this is not directly egold related, but as many people on > > this list are freedom lovers and might have an account at Paritate Bank, > > please read this immediately and spread the word! > > > > We have been informed by our contacts in Latvia that Paritate Bank is > > bankrupt and about to loose their license. If you know anyone who has an > > account there, it would be wise to inform them at once so that > > they can take > > their money out. > > > > John > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ If you found the contents of this email useful to you, and you have an e-gold account, please feel free to follow this link: http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?107685&[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/update/story.jsp?story=79745 "If you don't have any facts, why waste valuable time asking for them? Just skim a few articles and then dream up whatever sounds right!" JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for?
Apparently Bruce Springsteen also has performed this song. The lyrics are at http://www.thuismarkt.nl/users/springsteen/Lyrics/War-7585.html > -Original Message- > From: Ian Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2001 11:04 PM > To: e-gold Discussion > Subject: Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for? Can anyone come up with a funky rewrite slamming fractional reserve banking and promoting 100% gold-backed currency? (I'm sure it would be worth some donations from our e-gold friends!) :) Ian Green http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for?
> -Original Message- > From: SnowDog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2001 10:14 PM > To: e-gold Discussion > Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE! > > > > Rumours like this have brought down many a stronger financial > institution > > (because of partial reserve backing). [...] > > Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for? > > Absolutely nothin'! Say it again, yeah! (I think I can hear the similar tune, 'War ... what is it good for?'! ) :) That would be 'War' by Edwin Starr Audio: http://www.amvets-ct.org/Audio_Edwin_Starr-War.html Lyric: according to 'Joan' http://www.memphiscat.com/wwwboard/messages/51.html according to 'katie' http://www.memphiscat.com/wwwboard/messages/48.html Can anyone come up with a funky rewrite slamming fractional reserve banking and promoting 100% gold-backed currency? (I'm sure it would be worth some donations from our e-gold friends!) :) Ian Green http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE!
> Rumours like this have brought down many a stronger financial institution > (because of partial reserve backing). [...] Fractional Reserve Banking... What is it good for? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE!
- Original Message - From: Ian Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: e-gold Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 4:18 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE! Ian, Perhaps, you missed the posts to this list by "offshoresurfer" that say if you call Paritate's number, you will get a recording that says their operations were suspended by the national bank. I have heard from those with accounts that there is no other contact, Paritate's web site is gone and their debit cards don't work. I have also heard that Paritate has been in negotiations with other banks trying to arrange for someone to take them over. Apparently, this didn't happen. This definately does not appear to be a rumor and one cannot bring down a financial institution that has ceased operations. I would hope there will be some action by the national bank in Latvia so the thousands of people (some of them are friends of mine) can recover at least some of their money. Gary > Rumours like this have brought down many a stronger financial institution > (because of partial reserve backing). Please, Destiny Worldwide, provide > verifiable primary evidence, and do not ask people to "spread the word" on > imperfect and incomplete information. > > I don't have an account with this bank, but I still would not like a run > like this to bring down this or any other bank that provides good services > to small, not necessarily rich, individual international clients, that most > banks refuse to provide. > > > Ian Green > http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Destiny Worldwide Net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2001 7:26 AM > > To: e-gold Discussion > > Subject: [e-gold-list] URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE! > > > > > > I realize that this is not directly egold related, but as many people on > > this list are freedom lovers and might have an account at Paritate Bank, > > please read this immediately and spread the word! > > > > We have been informed by our contacts in Latvia that Paritate Bank is > > bankrupt and about to loose their license. If you know anyone who has an > > account there, it would be wise to inform them at once so that > > they can take > > their money out. > > > > John > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/13/01 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE!
You're kidding me! Someone just speculated on this list on the damage that could be done if the mechanism of an "I love you" or "Anna Kournikova" virus, were used to propagate a claim that a particular bank is bankrupt, and people should immediately withdraw their money! (The main mechanism is the use of email and an instruction to spread the word, or sometimes automated forwarding.) Now only hours later someone does it! Rumours like this have brought down many a stronger financial institution (because of partial reserve backing). Please, Destiny Worldwide, provide verifiable primary evidence, and do not ask people to "spread the word" on imperfect and incomplete information. I don't have an account with this bank, but I still would not like a run like this to bring down this or any other bank that provides good services to small, not necessarily rich, individual international clients, that most banks refuse to provide. Ian Green http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242 > -Original Message- > From: Destiny Worldwide Net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2001 7:26 AM > To: e-gold Discussion > Subject: [e-gold-list] URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE! > > > I realize that this is not directly egold related, but as many people on > this list are freedom lovers and might have an account at Paritate Bank, > please read this immediately and spread the word! > > We have been informed by our contacts in Latvia that Paritate Bank is > bankrupt and about to loose their license. If you know anyone who has an > account there, it would be wise to inform them at once so that > they can take > their money out. > > John --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
