[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Fraudulent Escrow Agent
Well this is interesting news! I thought James Turk at Goldmoney said all the fraud was at E-Gold? He railed on and on about this issue awhile back -- I guess his admin team better get in there and police their own Glass House before throwing stones! Bosco From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Davidson) Dear Friends, Just a few more things on Escrow Trade. A customer called today about buying $3,000 of GoldMoney for a trade through Escrow Trade. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Fraudulent Escrow Agent
I thought James Turk at Goldmoney said all the fraud was at E-Gold? He railed on and on about this issue awhile back -- I guess his admin team better get in there and police their own Glass House before throwing stones! It's a natural problem with an industry like this, where the accounts are opened without identity checks. Even IF the account in question is frozen, the scam will continue. The thief will simply give a new account number to his next victim, and immediately remove the money from the system as soon as he receives it. It's the same problem that any money transmitter has, even Western Union, American Express, and others. The solution is for law enforcement to track some of these thieves down, to scare the rest away. However, when I called the Secret Service a couple of years ago, they told me that they will NOT investigate any case of internet fraud, unless there is evidence that the thief took more than $25,000. That's the limit and it's too high. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Fraudulent Escrow Agent
At 4:45 PM + on 3/12/02, major bosco wrote: Well this is interesting news! I thought James Turk at Goldmoney said all the fraud was at E-Gold? He railed on and on about this issue awhile back -- I guess his admin team better get in there and police their own Glass House before throwing stones! Frankly, the whole issue of fraud, or, as I framed it longer ago than I like to think, the Mrs. Grundy on the Bank Board problem, should be *orthogonal* to the payment scheme. Think, for instance, if the Fed were to be required to repudiate all transactions done for drugs, or made with stolen cash. Obviously, that's impossible, because cash is a bearer transaction. Systems like e-gold, and GoldMoney are, of course, book-entry systems, requiring latency in settlement, which in turn requires knowing your customer so you can send him to jail, or freeze his assets, if he lies about a debit or credit. Unfortunately, once you've mastered this syntactic hurdle, so the trades don't break and you have no settlement fraud, you are almost required to enforce semantic fraud, like GoldMoney is doing now. The solution is bearer transactions, someday. Hopefully sooner than you think. shameless-plug See the attached announcement if you'd like to learn more /shameless-plug. One should note, however, that since the Mssrs. Turk didn't offer a sign-up bounty to people who brought in new customers, GoldMoney's initial fraud rate, and it's popularity with HYIPs and other scamsters, is not nearly the one that e-gold had, which might be the origin of James' original claim. Nonetheless. If you do book-entries, you end up playing fraud-cop, and, as we know, that way danger lies, especially for anyone who cares about individual freedom -- or, more to the point, economic efficiency... Cheers, RHA -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Fraudulent Escrow Agent
At 2002-03-12 16:45 +, major bosco wrote: Well this is interesting news! I thought James Turk at Goldmoney said all the fraud was at E-Gold? He railed on and on about this issue awhile back -- I guess his admin team better get in there and police their own Glass House before throwing stones! I understand from reading some of your posts in the past that GoldMoney is not your favorite DGC. I can accept that. But I do not accept your making unfounded accusations. I completely deny making any statement like the one you suggest I've made. Therefore, your apology would be kindly accepted. Thank you James Turk --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Fraudulent Escrow Agent
It's not so much Goldmoney that I don't care for, I am a firm believer in the free market. It's hypocrites that I don't particularly care for(sorry, it's one of my pet peeves). When I get some extra time I will dig around a few of the list archives and see what I can find to clarify the issue. Bosco. From: GoldMoney Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] I understand from reading some of your posts in the past that GoldMoney is not your favorite DGC. I can accept that. But I do not accept your making unfounded accusations. I completely deny making any statement like the one you suggest I've made. Therefore, your apology would be kindly accepted. Thank you James Turk _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Fraudulent Escrow Agent
Dear Sylvia, Fax number looks suspicious as well... Fax- 555-555- Yep, that's showed up on several other accounts, notably pcsworldsystems.whatever. I guess it might be an artifact of the registry, though, if they put that into their form as guidance, and people just leave it there. Monika Bauer[EMAIL PROTECTED] It could be that there is some such person, but she might be a he. Yahoo is pretty open-minded about e-mail addresses. I've never been to Frankfurt, though I've had lobster transshipped through their via Lufthansa. Regards, Jim http://cambist.net/exchange.html --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Fraudulent Escrow Agent
Dear Friends, Just a few more things on Escrow Trade. A customer called today about buying $3,000 of GoldMoney for a trade through Escrow Trade. On the Escrow-Trade.com web site, I found a few curious items: the address on their contact page spells out California instead of using the two-letter postal abbreviation; they appear on their site to claim to be based in Madera, California, while their domain is registered in Frankfurt, frankfurt 60329 DE, which appears to me to be an improper German address. Further, I could not resolve the Verisign logo on their support page to a Verisign certificate, so I suspect a copyright and a registered trademark violation may be involved there. Further, the e-gold market maker list appears to have been lifted off the e-gold.com web site, which might also be a copyright violation, as well as a violation of about a dozen or so trademarks. Thanks to Sylvia for running down the domain name. It really saved my customer a lot of trouble. (By the way, I asked him to find out the GoldMoney.com holding for these guys.) Regards, Jim http://cambist.net/ -- dollars for sale! buying e-gold also buying e-Bullion! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
