RE: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for August 27th & 28th, 2006

2006-08-27 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Kevin wrote:

I am not sure about Ron though.  He is normally  
much stronger here.  A note to you folks who don't know our local  
geography.  Ron lives in Forest Grove.  I live north of him about fifteen  
miles but about 1600 feet higher in elevation.  There are no intervening  
mountains like there are for the folks in Hillsboro, Beaverton, Portland,  
or Gresham.  He should be strong to me via ground wave.  I assume he was  
using his KX1 but may be fiddling with antennas.  Pete relayed him into me  
 from Southern California!!  Ron may have been skipping right over my home  
above Buxton.  I'll await the rest of the story ;)

--

Nope! I was running the K2 at 100 watts and had just worked a station in the
midwest with strong sigs both ways. I think we're too far apart for ground
wave and short skip "NVIS" propagation wasn't working well. 

You were solid copy but definitely very, very weak: almost the weakest
signal I heard check in. I'm blessed with a very low noise level. The
background on 40 is usually a quiet sizzle that doesn't even light up the
first bar on the "S" meter. Your signal occasionally made the first bar
flicker, where others were lighting up the bargraph to S9 or so. 

Propagation is very interesting at this point in the Sunspot cycle, despite
what those who grumble about preparing for the next sunspot cycle say. 

I'd like to check in more often to see how this works over time, but my
schedule usually doesn't permit it. But when I can I'll be there. 

Ron AC7AC 


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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for August 27th & 28th, 2006

2006-08-27 Thread Kevin Rock

Good Evening Folks,
   The twenty meter net had a little noise caused by a foreign station  
jamming someone else.  Next week I will move further afield.  I will  
announce the offset before I run the net but please look further from  
14050 kHz than normal for ECN/20.  I'll not be close to 14050 kHz if these  
folks keep up their music broadcasts.  Either higher or lower but I will  
try to find a quieter frequency.
   Forty meters was very nice in comparison.  I simply had to fight a  
little QSB and the normal thunderstorm caused QRN.  Not a problem, I've  
grown accustomed to that!  I am not sure about Ron though.  He is normally  
much stronger here.  A note to you folks who don't know our local  
geography.  Ron lives in Forest Grove.  I live north of him about fifteen  
miles but about 1600 feet higher in elevation.  There are no intervening  
mountains like there are for the folks in Hillsboro, Beaverton, Portland,  
or Gresham.  He should be strong to me via ground wave.  I assume he was  
using his KX1 but may be fiddling with antennas.  Pete relayed him into me  
from Southern California!!  Ron may have been skipping right over my home  
above Buxton.  I'll await the rest of the story ;)
   Sounds like most folks had a good weekend and their weather is cooler  
than mine.  I got a bunch of wood cut and stacked into my woodshed.  If we  
have a very mild winter I am ready.  I'll double the amount of wood I've  
got stacked to be prepared for a harsh one.  The decked wood is in great  
shape; now for me to reach that state!  A few hours each day and it will  
get done.  Kevin the ant not Kevin the grasshopper.
   Dinner was a couple of chorizo burritos.  I was stuffed so I gave some  
of the filling to Sam.  He ate all I gave him.  The green peppers, onions,  
even the jalapenos were gone when I picked up his dish!  I think he likes  
the chorizo filling :)  I'll keep him as fat as I can for another year  
with this kind of dinner.  I felt very relaxed after dinner so the second  
net was more fun.  The lack of jamming was a great pleasure but hearing  
you all was best.
   Please stop by whenever you have the time.  Ric has me wanting to  
travel.  I'd love to go to Ontario and work on his hardwood floor.  I've  
done it before out of bird's eye maple so I have a little experience.  I'm  
not sure what type of wood he's using but it would be fun to put in  
another hardwood floor.  Mine came out of a church which had been  
condemned for a bearing wall failure.  We had only a week to take out the  
pews and the floor before they knocked it down.  I was exhausted by the  
time we were done since we were working 18 hour days but we had quite a  
few square feet of very nice wood on our hands.  We sold most of it and I  
put some in my living room in Wisconsin.

   The lists ==>

On 14050.50 kHz at 2300z:
W6ZH - Pete - CA - K2 5138
W0SZ - Steve - CO - K2 - 4088
N8YO - Mike - MI - K2 - 5644 QNI #5!
KT5E - Jay - CO - K2 - 5037  QNI #20!!
WG7Y - Bob - WY - K1 - 2140
AB9V - Mike - IN - K2 - 3993 QNI #65!!
VE3XL - Ric - ON - K1 - 968

On 7045 kHz at 0200z:
W6ZH - Pete - CA - K2 5138
W0ESE - Bryan - MO - K2 - ?A fly by :)
AC7AC - Ron - OR - KX1 - 004 QNI #10!!
VE3XL - Ric - ON - K1 - 968
KT5E - Jay - CO - K2 - 5037
AE6GC - Jack - CA - KX1 - 1403
WI6O - John - CA - K1 - 922
K1EV - Bill - CT - K2 - 2152

If there are any errors or fills necessary please email me and I'll fix  
the database.  Now I'd better get the rest of my chores done so I can get  
to bed.  Tomorrow I'll not be up at 3 AM but rather a bit later.  The IR  
images came out great.  Now to write reports and get the system in shape  
for the second round of SBIR.  We may even get a chance to rest a bit  
before we do more field work.  I'd like to get the system a bit more  
refined and have the software in better shape.  I am glad it worked so  
well but there is much room for improvement.  Hopefully we'll be granted  
second round funding so that work can take place.  Otherwise I'll have a  
lot more time to work on my house and send out an updated version of my  
resume ;)  Either way Winter will happen so I'd better get ready.

   Until next week: stay well,
  73,
 Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)
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[Elecraft] ECN on 20 Preliminary report

2006-08-27 Thread Kevin Rock
While running the Elecraft CW Net on 20 meters, 14050.50 kHz, I was unable  
to copy at least two prospective callers.  The first one faded into the  
music and the second one was sending my call over and over.  There was  
jamming again but it was not specifically aimed at us.  At first I thought  
it was auroral propagation but then I started to hear it better.  There  
was music in it.  Next week I will try moving further away to avoid this  
if it is still occuring.


To the person sending my call sign: I know KD5ONS, I send it a lot.  I  
suggest you send your call over and over so I can copy it through the deep  
QSB.  If you send my call we'll never connect.  To the other op: such is  
life; I was not able to dig you out.  I do believe it was K2HYD but could  
not confirm it.  I got a K2 and then a D.  Ray fits the pattern but  
normally will respond to any sort of query about him in the affirmative.   
Conditions were tough due to the jamming signal so I'll work out a better  
plan for next week.


See you in less than 30 minutes.
   Kevin.  KD5ONS
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2006-08-27 Thread Phil Kane
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:29:36 +, Fred Jensen wrote:

>We were in your part of the planet yesterday (SR47 McMinnville
>thru Banks to the Columbia and then to Astoria for the day). I
>found a sweatshirt very useful until about noon.

  Welcome to the micro-climates of the Pacific Northwest Coast!
  Come inland to the Willamette Valeey where Portland is and get
  a different micro-climate.  Today was brutally hot - I'm
  staying inside where the a/cgoes full time.

  San Francisco Bay area has the same bunch of micro-climates --
  SF itself can be cold (winter coats at a Sunday afternoon
  outdooe concer in th park) while 15 miles away in the Concord
  area (where famuly lives) it's 100 degrees

>Also saw an S-38C in another shop.  That was hard to pass up but
>our rule is, "If you can't figure out where you'll put it before
>you buy it, you can't buy it."

  You can always put something like that in my ham shack.

>CU all next weekend.

>Will miss the net today (cruise on the Willamette).  This retired life
>is sooo tough!

  I've been retired 11 years and can't figure out where I ever
  had the time to work a paying job.

--
   73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
   Elecraft K2/100   5402

   From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
   Beaverton (Washington County)  Oregon



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Re: [Elecraft] RE: How does K2 NB work?

2006-08-27 Thread Vin Cortina

Sure makes the point, Tom.

Vin  KR2F

K1-4 s/n:1977
KX1  s/n:1476


- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hammond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "David Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RE: How does K2 NB work?



Fellas:

For an off-the-air demo of how well MY KNB2 works, you might want to check 
out:


  http://www.n0ss.net/knb2_demo.zip

This recording was made during a real-time QSO, and NOTHING special was 
done. I just hooked the K2's AF output ...


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Re: [Elecraft] RE: How does K2 NB work?

2006-08-27 Thread Tom Hammond

Fellas:

For an off-the-air demo of how well MY KNB2 works, you might want to check out:

  http://www.n0ss.net/knb2_demo.zip

This recording was made during a real-time QSO, and NOTHING special 
was done. I just hooked the K2's AF output to the laptop PC and 
started recording while I enabled the KNB2 and then stepped thru the 
two available modes.


The file is ZIPped because it's really a 2MB WAV file. SO you'll have 
to UNZIP it before you run it.


Enjoy!

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

At 02:58 PM 8/27/2006, AA5CK wrote:
If you have any doubts whether your K2NB can handle pulse type noise 
here are a couple of simple circuits that can either ease your mind 
or send it to the bench.


The first is a pulse-generator/signal tracer/audio amp that works 
well as such and produces a 10uS pulse. A 2N3904 and 2N3906 may be used.



http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/oscillators_timers/012/index.html

The second produces pulse widths of approx. 10uS to 500uS with C1 
values between 470pF and .047uF.


   http://www.electronics.50g.com/cpg.htm

Also don't forget, as others on the list have noted, sometimes the 
preamp must be used to amplify the noise enough to trigger the K2NB.


Good Luck...Ted...aa5ck

David Walker wrote:

It doesn't.  Don't waste your time on this option.



Thinking of building my 2nd K2.  I wondered what
the consensus is on HOW WELL DOES THE NB WORK?in a K2?



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[Elecraft] K2 #3612

2006-08-27 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
Just to let you all know that K2 #3612 has come alive and made its first
QSO.

CU on the bands & 73
Arie PA3A

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Re: [Elecraft] Do you really need a K3?

2006-08-27 Thread David Toepfer
But perhaps my needs are few.  I just need a decent CW rig on 17/15/12/10/6 for
the upcoming sunspot cycle 24.

David, k3tue
.

--- David Toepfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think the dream of a K3 is something necessary to the group.
> 
> I agree, because it is like a vehicle to get people to think about what they
> wish they had or what they think is missing, which is valuable information
> for
> any company.
> 
> What I find most interesting, as someone who is hoping to plunk down for a K2
> next year is that overall everyone I meet here seems more than satisfied with
> the K2's performance and features.  The wish lists are really just that, a
> list
> of wish to haves, as opposed to a shopping list which would be more a list of
> must haves.  I am sure a new K2 will be a good purchase for me to grow with
> for
> quite a while.
> 
> David, k3tue
> .
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Re: [Elecraft] RE: How does K2 NB work?

2006-08-27 Thread AA5CK
If you have any doubts whether your K2NB can handle pulse type noise 
here are a couple of simple circuits that can either ease your mind or 
send it to the bench.


The first is a pulse-generator/signal tracer/audio amp that works well 
as such and produces a 10uS pulse. A 2N3904 and 2N3906 may be used.


   
http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/oscillators_timers/012/index.html


The second produces pulse widths of approx. 10uS to 500uS with C1 values 
between 470pF and .047uF.


   http://www.electronics.50g.com/cpg.htm

Also don't forget, as others on the list have noted, sometimes the 
preamp must be used to amplify the noise enough to trigger the K2NB.


Good Luck...Ted...aa5ck

David Walker wrote:

It doesn't.  Don't waste your time on this option.



Thinking of building my 2nd K2.  I wondered what
the consensus is on HOW WELL DOES THE NB WORK?in a K2?
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Do you really need a K3?

2006-08-27 Thread John Gwin

No hurry here for a K-3.

My new K-2 just now on the air.
#5604 is alive.

-W4SK

- Original Message - 
From: "David Toepfer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Do you really need a K3?



--- DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I think the dream of a K3 is something necessary to the group.


I agree, because it is like a vehicle to get people to think about what 
they
wish they had or what they think is missing, which is valuable information 
for

any company.

What I find most interesting, as someone who is hoping to plunk down for a 
K2
next year is that overall everyone I meet here seems more than satisfied 
with
the K2's performance and features.  The wish lists are really just that, a 
list
of wish to haves, as opposed to a shopping list which would be more a list 
of
must haves.  I am sure a new K2 will be a good purchase for me to grow 
with for

quite a while.

David, k3tue
.

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[Elecraft] Do you really need a K3?

2006-08-27 Thread David Toepfer
--- DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the dream of a K3 is something necessary to the group.

I agree, because it is like a vehicle to get people to think about what they
wish they had or what they think is missing, which is valuable information for
any company.

What I find most interesting, as someone who is hoping to plunk down for a K2
next year is that overall everyone I meet here seems more than satisfied with
the K2's performance and features.  The wish lists are really just that, a list
of wish to haves, as opposed to a shopping list which would be more a list of
must haves.  I am sure a new K2 will be a good purchase for me to grow with for
quite a while.

David, k3tue
.

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Re: [Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

2006-08-27 Thread Stephen W. Kercel

Doug:

Discussions about a prospective K3 have always 
struck me as a bit curious. I'm not sure just 
what it is that people are looking for. I get the 
impression that you're talking about more 
operational features rather than improved engineering characteristics.


As you note, there are lots of wish lists of 
features, but probably not enough overlap among 
the lists to create a market for a rig with a 
single list of extra features for which all the 
wishers are willing to pay an extra $1200.


The closest you come to specifying how a K3 might 
differ from a K2 is that a K3 would be two K2s in 
a common box, and a bit of hardware to make them run smoothly in concert.


Rather than come up with something like that, 
maybe the N4PY strategy is a better solution for 
the serious contester. Buy two K2s and tack them 
together with a "contest box" containing the 
interfacing electronics. If there are that many 
people looking to run two K2s simultaneously, 
perhaps Elecraft could develop a "contest box" 
accessory specifically for that purpose.


I would also comment that those $10K radios tend 
to be a human factors nightmare. There are so 
many features that human cognition is literally 
overwhelmed by all the possibilities. I suspect 
that the serious contester using one of these 
fancy rigs identifies (probably unconscioiusly) 
the features actually needed (with perception of 
what is needed varying among operators) for 
contest operating, arranges things (with perhaps 
some very tricky programming ahead of time) to 
bring those few needed features to the fore, and ignores everything else.


As you mentioned, SDRs are the wave of the 
future, but for "go for blood" contesting, they 
have not yet arrived. From that standpoint, it 
looks like a possible mod for the K2 would be for 
Elecraft to make the internals a bit more 
accessible to computer interaction, and let the 
aftermarket take care of the software.


73,

Steve
AA4AK









So…armed with 6 years of history, let's see what the prospects might
be for a K3.

First, what would be different than the K2?  I've seen lots of "wish
lists" but mostly they would be a K2 Mark II…not really strategic
thinking launched by a long range vision.  And, probably more
importantly, what would be the target market?



If the loaded K2 is $1800 (kit), I am thinking that an "upgraded" (whatever
that might be) K3 would at least be $3000…putting it into direct
competition with these other radios in terms of 
price.  ...And what would the "selling feature" be for a

K3 compared to these other radios (remember, we are talking in terms
of marketing).  Clearly, not price.


So just what would the motivation be for Elecraft to come out with a
K3?  I don't know!  I think it would be neat to "smoothly" be able to
conjoin a pair of K2's (either externally or within a single box).
Some say N4PY and N1MM can effectively do that.  When directly asked
about such a feature, the "boyz" will even direct one to N4PY (at
least they used to).  But would that be a K3?  Maybe.

I think the dream of a K3 is something necessary to the group.  I
think the reality might be something different.  I would love to be
proven wrong

de Doug KR2Q
K2/5285 ala W3FPR
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Re: [Elecraft] Solder in the UK (60/40)

2006-08-27 Thread f5nhj
Hi 
Seems to be some at Waters and Stanton's.

73
Jacques F9OJ


Oui et il n'en reste pas beaucoup.. ( Dixit )

J.louis F5NHJ
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RE: [Elecraft] RE: How does K2 NB work?

2006-08-27 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
The noise blanker works extremely well on repetitious, high-amplitude pulse
type noise such as that put out by cheap lamp dimmers, auto ignition, etc.
The dimmers are more of a nemesis on the lower frequency bands were auto
ignition is more of a problem on the higher frequency bands.

Basically, the blanker works by noting the interval of a train of pulses and
then turning off (blanking) the signal path for an instant when the each
pulse occurs. That effectively makes the pulses disappear. 

Having used my K2 in areas where I could not get away from those cheap lamp
dimmers, it made the difference between hearing a roar of S9+ noise to
having the background drop to an S1 or S2 level of typical band QRN.  

The blanker can't do much of anything if the noise does not consist of a
train of high-amplitude pulses. Typical noises it can't handle are the hash
from motor commutators, the frying sounds one sometimes gets from leaky
power line insulators, etc. But it's FB on "popping" arcs that sometimes
occur on power lines and anything else that is high-amplitude and
repetitious. 

Even so, there is a downside to any noise blanker. It is punching holes in
the signal path. They are too short to hear, so the noise just goes away.
But that action of switching the I.F. signal path off then on again produces
frequency "mixing", just like any frequency converter or "mixer". As a
result, various  frequencies in the I.F. path might produce mixing products
that appear as spurious signals or other noise! That's why Elecraft
recommends you turn the blanker OFF when you don't need it.

Ron AC7AC


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Re: [Elecraft] Solder in the UK (60/40)

2006-08-27 Thread f9oj.7
Hi 
Seems to be some at Waters and Stanton's.
73
Jacques F9OJ
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From: "Mark RAYBOULD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:25 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Solder in the UK (60/40)


> Hi,
> Solder melting in the UK.
> 
> I have recently bought solder from the following Company - Forget Maplin 
> and Radio Shack -
> 
> Rapid Electronics Ltd.,
> Severalls Lane,
> Colchester,
> Essex,
> CO4 5JS
> United Kingdom
> 
> +44 (0) 1206 751 166 (0800 to 2000 Local)
> www.rapidelectronics.co.uk
> 
> 0.5KG Reel 18SWG 60/40 Solder Rapid Code 85-0610
> 0.5KG Reel 22SWG 60/40 Solder Rapid Code 85-0595
> 
> and buy on-line.  I hope this helps.
> 
> 73, Mark
> G3XYS
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[Elecraft] How does K2 NB work...

2006-08-27 Thread Mike

Fred, & All.
My memory could well be wrong, but I'm pretty sure (and others will soon 
confirm - or shoot me down in flames), but, seem to remember the NB was 
changed somewhat after I built K2 #0681. I believe the original NB was 
more agressive. Somewhere I still have the original documentation & will 
check it sometime when I can find it - or even find a way to find out 
where it is. Others may remember better!

73 & GL.
Mike, zl1mh.



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RE: [Elecraft] KBT1?

2006-08-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Alan,

I believe all these were addressed long ago.  The maximum battery size is
0.56 inches (14.2mm).  I don't know if all battery manufacturers conform to
the standard AA size, but I have not had any problem with AA Rechargable
batteries (NiMH) I have purchased recently ranging from 1200 mAHr to 2300
mAHr in any devices I use them in.  Check the battery physical size for any
that you might consider purchasing.

There is a foam ring that fits around the speaker magnet, and as far as I
know the speaker is not loose with this ring installed.

The batteries must fit securely in the case, and may be difficult for some
to remove, I have not encountered any difficulties.  If anyone has
difficulty removing the batteries, I can suggest laying a piece of string or
ribbon under the batteries before they are inserted. This is easily
implemented by the user if desired.

There is no battery connector, the battery pack is wired directly to the K1.
There is a disconnect switch.  Some folks wanted to have a disconnect point,
and certainly one could be installed by the end user if desired, but it is
not supplied by Elecraft.

73,
Don W3FPR


> -Original Message-
>
> >From last reading of the archives these were the issues left  with no
> resolution
> ---adding connector for the battery pack disconnect? (is  it part
> of the KBT1
> now)
> ---upgrade size of pack to allow for larger AA  batteries?
> ---ease of removal batteries from the case?
> ---speaker loose  installation?
>
> Thank you
>
> Alan  KB7MBI
>

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Re: [Elecraft] RE: How does K2 NB work?

2006-08-27 Thread w6jd
Mine works just fine on the noises I have to deal with. I live on a busy street 
and it handles ignition noise with no problems and most of my power line noise.

Doug
W6JD

-- Original message -- 
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> It doesn't. Don't waste your time on this option. 
> 
> 
> > Thinking of building my 2nd K2. I wondered what 
> > the consensus is on HOW WELL DOES THE NB WORK?in a K2? 
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[Elecraft] Fwd: [VHFcontesting] For Sale

2006-08-27 Thread John D'Ausilio

cross-post in case there's interest here ...

de w1rt/r

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Subject: [VHFcontesting] For Sale
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Three elecraft transveters.
6 meters,2meters,& 220
$300. each plus shipping
73 Kim
KB1DFB
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[Elecraft] Solder in the UK (60/40)

2006-08-27 Thread Mark RAYBOULD

Hi,
Solder melting in the UK.

I have recently bought solder from the following Company - Forget Maplin 
and Radio Shack -


Rapid Electronics Ltd.,
Severalls Lane,
Colchester,
Essex,
CO4 5JS
United Kingdom

+44 (0) 1206 751 166 (0800 to 2000 Local)
www.rapidelectronics.co.uk

0.5KG Reel 18SWG 60/40 Solder Rapid Code 85-0610
0.5KG Reel 22SWG 60/40 Solder Rapid Code 85-0595

and buy on-line.  I hope this helps.

73, Mark
G3XYS

(2 x K2s, XG2,  2T-Gen,  N-Gen built with this solder)

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[Elecraft] wherefore art thou, K3?

2006-08-27 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL

Wherefore at thou, K3?

I first "discovered" Elecraft after the great product review in QST
(March 2000).  Since then, I have been faithfully reading the email
discussion list; it is a great source of information, with a couple
obvious (and taken-for-granted) stars.

After several months of reading, and being a die-hard contester (qrp
contester since 1986 since the big Multi/Multi I used to operate at
went SK), I naturally saw "room for improvement" in the K2.  I liked
the price and I figured that I could buy two K2's for less than some
other contest radio and have the versatility equal to or surpassing
the expensive whiz-bang contest radios out there…not to mention a (at
the time) "best" rating on the front end (IMD DR3 at 5kc, IP3, etc).

I also wondered, "If this Elecraft company is so great…and contesters
are fanatics at having the best in terms of performance, I bet a K3 is
around the corner."  I asked around, but nobody had any insight…or
they were not talking.

It's now been 6 years.  Other Elecraft qrp/tiny/portable rigs (and
gadgets) have been brought to market…all filling a tiny niche market.
I have seen inquires about a K3 dozens and dozens of time and no real
reply from "the boyz" in Aptos other than, "What K3?"  I think that I
finally believe them.

I was very surprised at the 1500 watt output amp shown at Dayton,
2006.  It is very pricey (and not yet available…and no updates that I
have seen…and I look hard!).  It too fills (will fill) a niche
market….probably one close to my heart (contesting), but at the very
high end.  Maybe there are broader markets (beyond ham radio) involved
here.

So…armed with 6 years of history, let's see what the prospects might
be for a K3.

First, what would be different than the K2?  I've seen lots of "wish
lists" but mostly they would be a K2 Mark II…not really strategic
thinking launched by a long range vision.  And, probably more
importantly, what would be the target market?

Right now, a "loaded" K2 (with tuner and amp, etc.) is, what…$1800 or
so…in kit form.  What else is out there for the masses?  Kenwood
TS2000…less money.  Yaesu…lots of models, less money.  Icom "baby"
rigs…less money.  So marketing a "new and improved" rig according to
dollars (to compete with these radios) probably should not be a goal
for Elecraft.

Let's move upscale.  Yaesu FT2000…at least $3K.  Icom 756 Pro III…at
least $3K.  These are very slick radios for the masses that have money
to spend and the rigs have lots and lots of features.  I won't attempt
to compare feature for feature, because "each to his own."  If the
loaded K2 is $1800 (kit), I am thinking that an "upgraded" (whatever
that might be) K3 would at least be $3000…putting it into direct
competition with these other radios in terms of price.  And I bet you
that these folks really are more appliance operators than the current
set of K2 owners or at least probably are not that interested (skill
being assumed to be present) in spending at least 40 hours (likely
more) building a "K3."  And what would the "selling feature" be for a
K3 compared to these other radios (remember, we are talking in terms
of marketing).  Clearly, not price.

Of course, I might be completely wrong here.  Eric and Wayne might not
care at all about money and would develop a K3 just for love (is
anyone not laughing at this?).  Let's see…price of the K2 goes up $30
and the list responds with complaints.  What does this tell us?
First, it tells us that Eric and Wayne are not quite as philanthropic
as Bill and Melinda Gates or Warren Buffet.  Second, they probably
don't want to market a K3 to "these people" who complain about $30.
Just how long has the K2 been $599 anyway?

Should they move upscale even more?  Icom 7800 and FT9000 in the $10k
to $12k class.  Hmmm.  Maybe…if they are looking to undercut that
market based on price.  But wait….The FT9000 Contest is "only" $5000.
Not much wiggle room then.  And the TT Orion (of disputed reputation)
is over $4k (even tighter margin).  And speaking of SDRs…how about
Flex Radio…that price is a steal!  Yes, currently a poor performer on
cw if you love QSK, but it will be there in a year (of course, its
price will be at two tiers…or that is the rumor….at $3000 range and at
$10k range, depending on features).  Honestly, I don't see Elecraft
wanting to compete in this league; from the comments posted, it
doesn't seem like that is what Aptos is all about.

So just what would the motivation be for Elecraft to come out with a
K3?  I don't know!  I think it would be neat to "smoothly" be able to
conjoin a pair of K2's (either externally or within a single box).
Some say N4PY and N1MM can effectively do that.  When directly asked
about such a feature, the "boyz" will even direct one to N4PY (at
least they used to).  But would that be a K3?  Maybe.

I think the dream of a K3 is something necessary to the group.  I
think the reality might be something different.  I would love to be
proven wrong

de Doug KR2Q
K2/5285 

[Elecraft] Accidental K2 Reset?

2006-08-27 Thread Bernard Gaffney
Regarding the individual who did the K2 reset:

  What was he trying to do when he did it? Per the K2
manual, you need to hold down the 4,5,& 6 keys while
turning on the rig. That sequence doesn't seem to be
something someone would normally do when turning on
the rig.

Not being accusatory, I'm just curious.

 72 de N8PVZ
   ---bernie


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Re: [Elecraft] KBT1?

2006-08-27 Thread ARDUJENSKI
Don and group
My apology for not being more  specific

>From last reading of the archives these were the issues left  with no 
resolution
---adding connector for the battery pack disconnect? (is  it part of the KBT1 
now)
---upgrade size of pack to allow for larger AA  batteries?
---ease of removal batteries from the case?
---speaker loose  installation?

Thank you

Alan  KB7MBI

In a message dated 8/27/2006  5:40:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
Alan,

I don't recall any unresolved problems with the KBT1 and  the only complaint
I have heard is that the smaller speaker does not sound  quite as good as the
larger one.

You will have to be more specific  about your concerns, you did not give any
information about the  problem/concern that you were alluding to, so we can
only guess. We cannot  positively say whether the problem that you are
thinking about has been  addressed or not, but since no recent reflector
discussion has occurred, it  is likely that any initial problems have been
rectified long  ago.

73,
Don W3FPR  

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[Elecraft] K2 DC Ripple Requirements?

2006-08-27 Thread Darrell Bellerive
What is the maximum ripple that the K2 can have on the DC power? What would be 
a recommended value? 10%? 1%? 0.01%?

Just to be sure that I am applying theory correctly:

>From the 2001 ARRL Handbook page 11.12 the formula for ripple on a capacitor 
input filter is listed as:
C x E = I x t
where
C = the capacitance in microfarads,
E = the peak to peak ripple voltage,
I = the load current in milliampres,
t = the time between half cycles of the rectified waveform in milliseconds.

Is the percentage of ripple simply the peak to peak ripple voltage (E from the 
above equation) divided by the power supply output voltage times 100? 

Darrell  VA7TO  K2#5093

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Grand Forks, British Columbia, Canada
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[Elecraft] Controllerboard

2006-08-27 Thread Adolf Loosen

Hello.
I built my first K2
After the inspection of the controllerboard I make the resistance checks 
and then i have a problem


The resistance at P2,U5 ,U4 and U3 are correct.
The others are too low ,by U6 not > 100 k it was ca.35k,by U8 the same.
and by Q1 and Q2 only 35k.

Is that correct.?
Please excuse my bad english
vy 73 de adolf  DL6KL
German Radio amateur
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2006-08-27 Thread Fred Jensen

Kevin Rock wrote:
> Here, near Portland, Oregon, we are under a heat advisory.

Well ... heat advisories are a bit subjective

We were in your part of the planet yesterday (SR47 McMinnville thru 
Banks to the Columbia and then to Astoria for the day). I found a 
sweatshirt very useful until about noon.  Good news is that we found an 
HP TIMS unit for $10 at an antique shop between Banks and Manning.  Also 
found a large amount of RG-214 for $40, and a 40' fiberglass mast kit in 
4 sections with bag for $15.  Shop was run by a ham.  Also saw an S-38C 
in another shop.  That was hard to pass up but our rule is, "If you 
can't figure out where you'll put it before you buy it, you can't buy it."


CU all next weekend.

Will miss the net today (cruise on the Willamette).  This retired life 
is sooo tough!


Fred K6DGW/7
McMinnville OR






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[Elecraft] K3 in the works in near future?

2006-08-27 Thread Robert T. Davis Jr.


  Sorry  Guys,  one more question. Does anyone know of a new transceiver
  in  the  works from Elecraft in the near future. Like a K3?? I hate to
  order  now and find out tomorrow that there is a new rig coming out in
  the  near future.   Thanks again Bob.  P.S. read somwhere that thy are
  offering a new power amp, Anyone know the price?Bob  AB5HG/EA7AQP
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[Elecraft] XV TRANSVERTERS, NEWS ABOUT SOON TO COME K3

2006-08-27 Thread Robert T. Davis Jr.


  HI. everyone,  I'm  finding  this  reflecter to be a very  informative
  board.  I  don't own a K2 yet but I'm really close. Would like to know
  if  the K2 covers any FM mode operation, can't seem to see any mention
  of  this  in  the  spec's. Next question: The XV TRANSVERTERS, Do they
  cover  all  Modes, SSB, FM etc. and are they setup to handle Satellite
  operation in conjunction with the K2.

  I  thankyou  for  your time and trouble. I looked for this information
  but must have overlooked it, "OLD AGE I GUESS" Bob AB5HG/EA7AQP
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RE: [Elecraft] KBT1?

2006-08-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Alan,

I don't recall any unresolved problems with the KBT1 and the only complaint
I have heard is that the smaller speaker does not sound quite as good as the
larger one.

You will have to be more specific about your concerns, you did not give any
information about the problem/concern that you were alluding to, so we can
only guess. We cannot positively say whether the problem that you are
thinking about has been addressed or not, but since no recent reflector
discussion has occurred, it is likely that any initial problems have been
rectified long ago.

73,
Don W3FPR


> -Original Message-
> For the past several days I have been reading the archived messages
> regarding the KBT1. There was a lot of discussion when the
> accessory  became available
> but it is not clear if the problems/concerns have been  addressed
> or if  the
> same issues exist. Is the KBT1 now available an  improved  version?
>

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RE: [Elecraft] RE: How does K2 NB work?

2006-08-27 Thread Jim Sheldon
 A blanket "It doesn't. Don't waste your time--" isn't really a good thing
to say at this time.  #1, it DOES work on many types of impulse noise.  If
you are looking to eliminate atmospheric static noise (QRN) then yes, it
doesn't work.  Pulse type ignition noise from vehicles passing your
location, or running near you, it does an excellent job of removing.  Also,
much of the power line noise caused by leaky/cracked insulators and bad
grounds on your nearby power lines are usually effectively removed by the
KNB2.  This is what the KNB2 was designed to do, and it is actually better
at this job than the NB in my IC-706MKIIG and other rigs I have had in the
past.

Again, if you are trying to eliminate QRN, there isn't anything available in
ANY rig that I know of that will do that.  

Another thing to consider -- any time the noise blanker is ON, it will cause
distortion in the received audio of the station you are listening to if
there is a reasonably strong signal within 5 to 10 KHz of the signal you are
trying to receive.  This occurs with ANY noise blanker, not just the KNB2.

Jim Sheldon, W0EB
K2 #4338

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Walker
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> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] RE: How does K2 NB work?
> 
> It doesn't.  Don't waste your time on this option.
> 
> 
> > Thinking of building my 2nd K2.  I wondered what
> > the consensus is on HOW WELL DOES THE NB WORK?in a K2?
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[Elecraft] RE: How does K2 NB work?

2006-08-27 Thread David Walker

It doesn't.  Don't waste your time on this option.



Thinking of building my 2nd K2.  I wondered what
the consensus is on HOW WELL DOES THE NB WORK?in a K2?

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