RE: [Elecraft] restrictive CQs? SKCC, Fists etc. - protocol on who we can play with
David wrote: I can't speak for others, but in my case, a rag chew is more difficult that a FISTS QSO. FISTS QSOs, in my experience have been pretty straight forward; name, greetings, rst, qth, rig, power, ant, and maybe wx info. Not exciting, on invigorating for most folks, but it is a lot for those of us struggling with the code. --- You are not alone. Working with some new Hams who are dedicated brass pounders, I was reminded of that in recent years. Back when I was struggling along with my first QSO's back in the 50's we had the Novice bands, and they were *busy* bands populated by slow, shaky fists whose thrill was getting through a name-qth-RST-wx-73 QSO. At least we all knew we were beginners together (Back then no Novice license ran over 1 year. It was upgrade of be off the air). It takes practice to learn to think about what to say while sending CW, just as speaking in a new language takes practice to think of what and how to say something while finding and pronouncing the words. It's not a trivial task and it is why I was thrilled when I was nominated for the Rag Chewer's Club. FISTS and similar groups do a wonderful job providing a surrogate Novice band for operators of all classes who are getting into CW. I applaud them wholeheartedly. They are filling a real need to encourage and promote CW. Some of those members will never go on to using CW as a language. Instead they may focus on those simple, rote exchanges to become top gun DX-chasers or contesters, developing the skill to hammer out multiple QSOs per minute using computers and all the other stuff involved in that sort of operating. That takes experience and skill too. Some will move on to chewing the rag and developing the ability to use CW as a language to hold an easy-going conversation with others. Many will do some of both. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Departing list ......
Without having seen the K3 in action, has anyone got any idea what the differences would be if you stood an IC-7000 next to a K3 and compared their performances? Dohn N8EWY K2 5815 K1 Fists 12820 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred (FL) Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Departing list .. I've decided to not order the K3, and am leaving this list today. Being a 1-rig ham, I really need to be practical and go with a 1-rig HF/60/VHF/UHF rig, ala IC-7000. Perhaps in late 2008 spring, when K3 dust settles - I'll be back. But the 1-rig, HF/VHF/UHF and mobile rig - will have to suit me for a while. And I don't know what mobiling with a K3 would mean. I'm a snowbird, in cars, 2 residences, boat in summer, golf cart in winter. Lots of shacks. I will not miss the Reflector. I stopped doing email administration back in 89. My K3 order was a 2nd Production Run order. So long. 73's Fred, de N3CSY 3 Oct 07 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] RE: [QRP-L] ARCI Membership Dues
Andy: Go to: http://www.qrparci.org Bill - K4AHK [Original Message] From: Andy - GM0NWI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft Discussion List elecraft@mailman.qth.net; QRP-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/4/2007 7:00:50 PM Subject: [QRP-L] ARCI Membership Dues Guy's... Can someone possibly tell me WHO I send my ARCI Membership dues for 2007/2008 to in the US..? The shack here is in somewhat of an upheaval at the present time, and I can't lay my hands on the last QRP Quarterly that I received and I think my current membership is shortly due to expire.. (hope I'm not too late for the next edition).. TIA 72's 73's [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy GM0NWI Elecraft K2 Fully Loaded QRP S/n 01432 Elecraft K2 Fully Loaded QRO S/n 05469 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1048 - Release Date: 03/10/2007 20:22 __ QRP-L mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qrp-l Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1049 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 8:59 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[QRP-L] ARCI Membership Dues MANY THANKS
Guy's... What A Response..! The Flood Gates Opened BIG TIME..! I might have forgot to mention in my first post that I am ALREADY a member of the ARCI at present, ... But have mislayed my last copy of QQ here in the shack somewhere, so my original plea was for information On WHO and WHERE to send my present dues.. Glad to say that I know have the info and will be sending my payment soon in the coming days.. Many Thanks to all who replied.. 72's 73's[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy GM0NWI Elecraft K2 Fully Loaded QRP S/n 01432 Elecraft K2 Fully Loaded QRO S/n 05469 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.1/1050 - Release Date: 04/10/2007 17:03 __ QRP-L mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qrp-l Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 936-12
Ian - For a variable temperature soldering station -- and using 60/40 (Sn/Pb) solder -- stay within the range of 650 to 750 degrees F (345 - 400 degrees C). Personally, I always set one to 700 F degrees (370 C) --- since I learned my techniques in 1970s with the Weller TCP series with 700 degree tips. I do NOT recommend 800 F degree tips or temperature settings, burns up tips faster. Really only useful for SOME lead-free solders -- and you must have excellent soldering techniques (be quick) -- not to lift traces, etc. Get the proper MASS and PROFILE for your solder tip -- that matches the solder joint -- these are far more important to proper heating of the joint for solder flow -- than dialing up a higher temperature (which is the common mistake for the beginner). Greg w9gb - Original Message - From: Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 12:34 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Hakko 936? Hi guys, My Hakko 936 with several T-1 for surface mounted tiny components arrived today. It is not warm yet. I have been using an Antex 15 Watt iron since 1971, and I built my K2 #4962 with it. Now, variable temperature is, well, a variable that I have never had to consider. So, my questions: What temperature do you set with 60/40 solder on such as a K2, and perhaps a different temperature when soldering an AD9851? 73, Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962, LP-100 #278 -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] n3csy,s memborable Farewell
Hey Fred who cares! I will not miss you either! Arrogance seems your best quality so put the lowly IC7000 in one of your many shacks Mr. Snowbird and while your at it read something about Receiver Specifications like BDR or IMD. john-n4dsp Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred (FL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Elecraft] Departing list .. To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've decided to not order the K3, and am leaving this list today. Being a 1-rig ham, I really need to be practical and go with a 1-rig HF/60/VHF/UHF rig, ala IC-7000. Perhaps in late 2008 spring, when K3 dust settles - I'll be back. But the 1-rig, HF/VHF/UHF and mobile rig - will have to suit me for a while. And I don't know what mobiling with a K3 would mean. I'm a snowbird, in cars, 2 residences, boat in summer, golf cart in winter. Lots of shacks. I will not miss the Reflector. I stopped doing email administration back in 89. My K3 order was a 2nd Production Run order. So long. 73's Fred, de N3CSY 3 Oct 07 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] re:Restrictive CQ's
Are you kidding Ron? That would hurt sales!! We must not offend anyone on this list even if the topic turns to non elecraft. We must be politically correct. 73 and good dxing to you. john-n4dsp Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:49:27 -0400 From: RonSpencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Elecraft] Restrictive CQs To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 Just waded through the digest version and seems like 1/3 of the posts were on the restrictive CQs subject. What did that have to do with Elecraft?? How about for this forum we restrict our postings to topics relating to Elecraft and Elecraft only? That's why I subscribe. 73 Ron N4XD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 42, Issue 7
Surely the whole idea of cw is to chat to another person local or in another country albeit numbers or whatever,cw is after all a gentlemans mode and most cw operators will find time to stop and chat. Im on cw through choice and have enjoyed it very much for the past 20 years, i have microphones there in the shack drawers somewhere!.This is just my own personal opinion guys so dont fall on me from a great height please.Regards and hope to hear you at some stage.Incidentally my k2 (qrp version)going great guns and working now to finding out whats going to come out the speaker when i call cq next.. If anyone wants a natter send me time,freq,date and ill be there band condx prevailing.. Dave G0AYD.. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 936?
Ian Stirling wrote: Hi guys, My Hakko 936 with several T-1 for surface mounted tiny components arrived today. It is not warm yet. I have been using an Antex 15 Watt iron since 1971, and I built my K2 #4962 with it. Now, variable temperature is, well, a variable that I have never had to consider. So, my questions: What temperature do you set with 60/40 solder on such as a K2, and perhaps a different temperature when soldering an AD9851? 73, Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962, LP-100 #278 When I built K2/100 #4684 I had my 936 set at 700 most of the time. I'd bump it up to 750, maybe 800 on rare occasions but I did 90% of the radio at 700. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Departing list ......
Dohn wrote: Without having seen the K3 in action, has anyone got any idea what the differences would be if you stood an IC-7000 next to a K3 and compared their performances? Dohn N8EWY K2 5815 K1 Fists 12820 Not even worth bothering to do a comparison. The K2 blows the doors off anything Icom makes below a 756 ProIII level. The IC-7000 is nothing more than a prettified 706MkII-G which has the same HF receiver as the IC-718. Some people want performance, some people want convenience. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Departing list ......
In defence of ICOM the IC-7000 is 100% different to the IC-706MkII. Performance is another issue... Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: R. Kevin Stover [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IC-7000 is nothing more than a prettified 706MkII-G which has the same HF receiver as the IC-718. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 936?
Ian, You have already received some starting point temperatures. There are no really hard and fast rules - watch the solder connections for a while, especially watch to see how long it takes for the solder to flow out smoothly onto the solder pad. If that time is longer than 3 seconds, increase the heat a bit, but if it is less than 2 seconds, reduce the heat. Different boards will require different temperatures - those with small traces will need less heat, but those with large traces and an extensive ground plane (like the KPA100) require more. When working with thru-plated boards, strive to produce a tiny fillet of solder that has a concave surface. If the solder surface is convex, all the solder may be stuck to the component lead and the solder pad did not receive enough heat (besides that, too much solder is already applied). The soldering tutorial on the Builder's Resource page at the Elecraft website has a lot of good information that you may want to review. SMD soldering usually does not require as much heat as lead thru hole construction, but the principle is the same - watch for the solder to flow and keep that time short. 73, Don W3FPR Ian Stirling wrote: Hi guys, My Hakko 936 with several T-1 for surface mounted tiny components arrived today. It is not warm yet. I have been using an Antex 15 Watt iron since 1971, and I built my K2 #4962 with it. Now, variable temperature is, well, a variable that I have never had to consider. So, my questions: What temperature do you set with 60/40 solder on such as a K2, and perhaps a different temperature when soldering an AD9851? 73, Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962, LP-100 #278 -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Departing list ......
From what I have heard, the 7000 will be very poor compared to the K3. The 756 pro was much worse than the K2, and all the 756 pro series are at least twice the price of the 7000! 1.6 MHz to 440 in a very small box, how good could it really be? As a mobile rig, it would likely be neat, but has no antenna tuner, you have to add that... Just like those really little handhelds that do 500 KHz to UHF, they do it allpoorly Brett N2DTS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dohn Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 5:23 AM To: 'Fred (FL)'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Departing list .. Without having seen the K3 in action, has anyone got any idea what the differences would be if you stood an IC-7000 next to a K3 and compared their performances? Dohn N8EWY K2 5815 K1 Fists 12820 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred (FL) Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Departing list .. I've decided to not order the K3, and am leaving this list today. Being a 1-rig ham, I really need to be practical and go with a 1-rig HF/60/VHF/UHF rig, ala IC-7000. Perhaps in late 2008 spring, when K3 dust settles - I'll be back. But the 1-rig, HF/VHF/UHF and mobile rig - will have to suit me for a while. And I don't know what mobiling with a K3 would mean. I'm a snowbird, in cars, 2 residences, boat in summer, golf cart in winter. Lots of shacks. I will not miss the Reflector. I stopped doing email administration back in 89. My K3 order was a 2nd Production Run order. So long. 73's Fred, de N3CSY 3 Oct 07 __ __ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC
Hi All Sorry to add to the noise level, I took over from Geo , the founder of FISTS just before he past away and produce the newsletter and fulfil other roles in FISTS too. Yes we do have many members that will call CQ FISTS, we have a number of challenges (rather than number exchanging contests that normally fill the bands), we encourage all our members to make the exchange of numbers (if they are working another member that wants theirs) almost incidental to the QSO, and ask them NOT to exclude anyone , member or not that returns to their call. we are all about getting people to use CW and we certainly do not want to push people away. I use a straight key myself but have no problem if my QSO partner wants to use paddles,keyboard, or what ever as long as it CW its good for me!, If you hear me call CQ FISTS please come back to me member or not, paddles or straight key, its the QSO that counts not the equipment or numbers. best 73's Paul M0BMN ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Paul Webb wrote: Hi All Sorry to add to the noise level, I took over from Geo , the founder of FISTS just before he past away and produce the newsletter and fulfil other roles in FISTS too. Yes we do have many members that will call CQ FISTS, we have a number of challenges (rather than number exchanging contests that normally fill the bands), we encourage all our members to make the exchange of numbers (if they are working another member that wants theirs) almost incidental to the QSO, and ask them NOT to exclude anyone , member or not that returns to their call. we are all about getting people to use CW and we certainly do not want to push people away. I use a straight key myself but have no problem if my QSO partner wants to use paddles,keyboard, or what ever as long as it CW its good for me!, If you hear me call CQ FISTS please come back to me member or not, paddles or straight key, its the QSO that counts not the equipment or numbers. I think that part of the confusion is that many people, when hearing CD DX or CQ DE or CQ TEST or CQ WHATEVER have the impression that the station calling only wants to have a QSO of the type specified. CQ DX is probably the best exampleI would never answer a CQ DX call from a US station. While the personal statements of many FISTS members has indicated they are more than willing to QSO with non-FISTS members, unless one has read their statements, one is back to square one...is CQ FISTS like CQ DX (I only want to QSO with a specific type of station) or some other meaning. 73 - k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Departing list ......
Agreed, I have an ft-817 and portability is definitely it's strong suit. The receiver is lacking to say the least. But, I can put an entire station in a bag. People mix apples and oranges when comparing rigs. All that says I have not finished the K2... 73 de KU4YP Michael Prevatt Ft. Meade, Fl. *sent from ipaq* As a mobile rig, it would likely be neat, but has no antenna tuner, you have to add that... Just like those really little handhelds that do 500 KHz to UHF, they do it allpoorly ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC
The answer to that is NO. While there may be some FISTS members that want to only exchange numbers, the vast majority of them are ready and willing to ragchew. In fact, I'd bet most of them would rather make a contact, then to continually be calling CQ FISTS. 73! Dan KB6NU -- CW Geek, FISTS #9342 Get my Tech and General Class study guides at www.kb6nu.com/tech-manual LET'S GET MORE KIDS INTO HAM RADIO! On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Thom LaCosta wrote: I think that part of the confusion is that many people, when hearing CD DX or CQ DE or CQ TEST or CQ WHATEVER have the impression that the station calling only wants to have a QSO of the type specified. CQ DX is probably the best exampleI would never answer a CQ DX call from a US station. While the personal statements of many FISTS members has indicated they are more than willing to QSO with non-FISTS members, unless one has read their statements, one is back to square one...is CQ FISTS like CQ DX (I only want to QSO with a specific type of station) or some other meaning. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Restrictive CQs
I agree, Ron. This entire (lenghty) thread would have been better posted on eHam.net than here.. Terry, WØFM -Original Message- From: RonSpencer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:49 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Restrictive CQs Just waded through the digest version and seems like 1/3 of the posts were on the restrictive CQs subject. What did that have to do with Elecraft?? How about for this forum we restrict our postings to topics relating to Elecraft and Elecraft only? That's why I subscribe. 73 Ron N4XD No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1048 - Release Date: 10/3/2007 8:22 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC
- I think that part of the confusion is that many people, when hearing CD DX or CQ DE or CQ TEST or CQ WHATEVER have the impression that the station calling only wants to have a QSO of the type specified. CQ DX is probably the best exampleI would never answer a CQ DX call from a US station. - There's no question that FISTS and SKCC folks will willingly work non-members, but that's not really the point. Why would someone who is happy to work anyone call CQ FISTS or CQ SKCC? Why not just call CQ? It makes no sense for them to use a qualified CQ when they are looking for just anybody. So if they are using a directed CQ, then it is only rational to take it face value and assume they mean what they're saying. No they do not want to work anybody but only those who qualify. Most though are polite enough to overlook the minor rudeness of the non-qualifier who answers, and will work them anyway. If an OP sends KN to turn it over to the other op, do you break into the QSO? If a DX station says listening up 3 do you call right on their freq? If an OP sends you RRR (received) do you repeat all your info next time? Do you answer CQ DX if you're not DX? If someone sends CQ at 10 wpm but has an Extra call, do you assume they really want to go 20 and answer them at that speed? Face value, guys, face value. Ya gotta take this stuff for what it means and not second guess the thoughts behind them. Treating some qualified CQ's as limited (CQ DX) while others qualified CQ's like they're not qualified is irrational and adds significant confusion. Take it at face value and don't answer if you're not what the other person is calling for. In fact, I'd bet most of them would rather make a contact, then to continually be calling CQ FISTS. - If they want to work anyone, they'll call CQ. Until then, they are saying they are NOT looking for just anyone. If that is not their intention, then THEY need to change their call. IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion) Apologies for any offense my direct communication style may have caused. 73 all (yes, I do mean it) - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC
Oh, come on. You're really making a mountain out of a molehill here. If you don't feel comfortable replying to a CQ FISTS call, Keith, then don't do it. The rest of you please feel free to do so, even if you're not part of that august group. 73! Dan KB6NU On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Darwin, Keith wrote: - I think that part of the confusion is that many people, when hearing CD DX or CQ DE or CQ TEST or CQ WHATEVER have the impression that the station calling only wants to have a QSO of the type specified. CQ DX is probably the best exampleI would never answer a CQ DX call from a US station. - There's no question that FISTS and SKCC folks will willingly work non-members, but that's not really the point. Why would someone who is happy to work anyone call CQ FISTS or CQ SKCC? Why not just call CQ? It makes no sense for them to use a qualified CQ when they are looking for just anybody. So if they are using a directed CQ, then it is only rational to take it face value and assume they mean what they're saying. No they do not want to work anybody but only those who qualify. Most though are polite enough to overlook the minor rudeness of the non-qualifier who answers, and will work them anyway. If an OP sends KN to turn it over to the other op, do you break into the QSO? If a DX station says listening up 3 do you call right on their freq? If an OP sends you RRR (received) do you repeat all your info next time? Do you answer CQ DX if you're not DX? If someone sends CQ at 10 wpm but has an Extra call, do you assume they really want to go 20 and answer them at that speed? Face value, guys, face value. Ya gotta take this stuff for what it means and not second guess the thoughts behind them. Treating some qualified CQ's as limited (CQ DX) while others qualified CQ's like they're not qualified is irrational and adds significant confusion. Take it at face value and don't answer if you're not what the other person is calling for. In fact, I'd bet most of them would rather make a contact, then to continually be calling CQ FISTS. - If they want to work anyone, they'll call CQ. Until then, they are saying they are NOT looking for just anyone. If that is not their intention, then THEY need to change their call. IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion) Apologies for any offense my direct communication style may have caused. 73 all (yes, I do mean it) - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft][OT] CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Darwin, Keith wrote: - I think that part of the confusion is that many people, when hearing CD DX or CQ DE or CQ TEST or CQ WHATEVER have the impression that the station calling only wants to have a QSO of the type specified. CQ DX is probably the best exampleI would never answer a CQ DX call from a US station. - Face value, guys, face value. Ya gotta take this stuff for what it means and not second guess the thoughts behind them. Treating some qualified CQ's as limited (CQ DX) while others qualified CQ's like they're not qualified is irrational and adds significant confusion. Take it at face value and don't answer if you're not what the other person is calling for. Thanks for the examplesI received a few emails correcting my mis-comprehension of CQ FISTS means, well means to some FIST members who don't think it's a directed call, and to others who believe it is. To add some topicality, when I use my Elecraft rigs, I will refrain from answering a CQ FISTS call, since I don't want to be confused about which directed CQs are not what they appear to be, and I can't remember the calls of all the people who said that their directed CQs are not what they appear to be. But, I guess if I called CQ ELECRAFT and someone answered and asked me about ten tec gear, I'd be at a loss. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft][OT] CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC [END of Thread]
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Re: [Elecraft] CQ FISTS ,SKCC ETC
Can't we just drop this Fist business, geesh, folks, enough is enough. de Joe, aa4nn Oh, come on. You're really making a mountain out of a molehill here. If you don't feel comfortable replying to a CQ FISTS call, Keith, then don't do it. The rest of you please feel free to do so, even if you're not part of that august group. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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[Elecraft] K3 shipping on Oct 08
Wondering if any one has info on how many K3 kits will be shipped in the first production run starting on Monday 08 Oct??? I'm in the second run so trying to find out when the shipping date for the second run might begin. 73, Joe W2KJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 shipping on Oct 08
I'm hoping mine will ship next week... Any update on where we are? Dave, G4AON ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 shipping on Oct 08
I don't know about you, but I don't know what my position is within the first batch. So I'm betting on some time between next week and whenever the second batch starts to ship. :) It'd be nice to know more exactly, but I guess the team have better things to do than start giving everyone individual delivery dates. I haven't been contacted yet, but I did log on to the site a couple of weeks ago to update my CC details and order items, so perhaps they already have all the info they need. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 10/5/07, Dave G4AON [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm hoping mine will ship next week... Any update on where we are? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 shipping on Oct 08
Julian I did contact Lisa and confirm my credit card and order details. I placed a deposit by phone 29th or 30th April, so I would hope those who assisted Elecraft with their finances would get some reward, being placed near the front of the queue for a start! 73 Dave ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Departing list ......
The eham reviews look quite good! For a mobile rig it seems the trick, you could work 10 meters, 2 meters, listen (tx?) on CB for hiway conditions, all with one remotely mounted radio. I cant believe it works as good as they say though, and a 150MHz 1st if??? Surely there is no filter at 150 MHz I hope to try the K3 mobile, and I suppose I can listen to channel 19 on CB as well. Any day now I suppose! Brett N2DTS _ From: johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:49 AM To: Brett gazdzinski; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Departing list .. I think we have to compare an apple with an apple. IC7000 is capable when you see it as a mobile rig from 500k to UHF. It can no way be compared with a contest rig like K2 and K3. When coming to IC756pro3, its DSP manual notch within AGC loop is very useful when operating the rig under strong QRM condition. The DSP NR is better than KDSP2 in SSB mode. When I operate in SSB mode, I like 756pro3 but K2 works better in CW mode where you don't even need IF shift. K3 should be the all round station rig to combat against the big players. I am in the early batch and waiting for it now. 73, Johnny Siu VR2XMC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 shipping on Oct 08
So, on the basis that I paid the entire cost, including UPS shipping on 2-May AND bought every option available, 2 additional filters, an XV144, a HexKey, a Proset and some mini-modules too - all of which I said they could ship in one go to save on shipping costs mean that Wayne will fly it over personally on Mon 8th ! HiHi On 5/10/07 16:56, Dave G4AON [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Julian I did contact Lisa and confirm my credit card and order details. I placed a deposit by phone 29th or 30th April, so I would hope those who assisted Elecraft with their finances would get some reward, being placed near the front of the queue for a start! 73 Dave ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- There are three truths: my truth, your truth, and the truth. -Chinese proverb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] restrictive CQs? SKCC, Fists etc. - protocol on who we can play with
Ron, I enjoyed your postings on this topic. I was out of active participation in amateur radio for about 30 years. My only amateur radio things which survive from my early days are the vibroplex original bug my parents gave me when I passed my general exam, and guess what ? My ragchewers club certificate ! Also surviving is the TenTec PM3A which was my last serious venture into amateur radio back in 1970/1971 when I started daydreaming about trail radio. Not hard to guess what got me back into amateur radio. While visiting the new downtown Seattle public library at its grand opening in May 2004, I paused to look through the latest copies of QST and CQ. I saw a photo of a fella wearing gloves on the trail operating a KX1 !! I was blown away. I looked for every scrap I could find about the KX1. Less than a month later, in one session I passed all the exams to be relicensed as an amateur extra. I must say, the exams seem a lot easier than they were in the old days :) I'm thinking all the study for my amateur extra back then - which I never got around to taking - must have stuck with me ! Up to now, I have been using my bug and PM3A. But I just finished building my KX1 and am about to head out on the trail - in the glacier peak wilderness in Washington. I know, possible nasty weather and all that, but it will be fun ! russ w7au ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Manual and updated Assembly Manual?
Wouldn't it be nice if the manuals were posted today? If the K3 is just about ready to ship then the manuals should be ready also! Michael N2ZDB Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Checking K2 sensitivity...
I am the second owner of K2 #2289. I've built and added a number of options. But I wonder about its rx sensitivity. I often have to use the preamp on 30 and 20 meters to hear weaker signals. The same is not true of my 756 PRO 2, at least on the same signals while doing an A/B comparison. That said, I'd like to know the best way to re-check the rx sensitivity on my K2. I still prefer it to my PRO 2 for copying CW, especially with narrow filters kicked in. The PRO 2 has horrible ringing with narrow filters. Otherwise, it just seems like the PRO 2 has better ears. Some how I don't think that should be. Maybe my K2 needs tweaking. 73, Steve N6VL ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Checking K2 sensitivity...
-Original Message- I am the second owner of K2 #2289 ... I wonder about its rx sensitivity ... it just seems like the PRO 2 has better ears. -- One has to be careful about confusing audio output with sensitivity. The K2 tends to produce less audio output with weak signals than other rigs and that leads us to conclude it doesn't hear. What it doesn't do is reproduce all signal levels at the same audio level. An S9 signal is just as loud as the band noise in most rigs because their AGCs are very aggressive flat. They turn the gain down for all signals to match them to the quietest signal, effectively making audio output constant. The K2 has some slope to its AGC. Loud signals produce more audio output than quiet signals. Band noise is quieter than signals. So as you listen to the K2, you don't hear much unless there is a signal there. The K2 is still picking up everything the Pro 2 is, it just isn't amplifying it as much. An interesting test would be to turn AGC off on both rigs, set both with RF gain max and AF gain so they are the same volume, then tune in very weak signals. I bet they both pick them up equally well. - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Checking K2 sensitivity...
There was a problem with transmit power and RX sensitivity on early K2s, my K2 serial #1892 had this problem. Basically the tuning cap(s) in the band pass filter needed a fixed capacitor of around 10 pF across the variable as it was right at the end of it's tuning range, you might want to check back through the list for details. My K2 gives 0.12 uV sensitivity for 10 dB signal to noise without the pre-amp, and 0.1 uV with the pre-amp on. 73 Dave G4AON ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 aligned and working but..
JT: Your external wattmeter is BETWEEN the KAT2 and the antenna...! The KAT2 is providing a match to the K2, NOT the external meter, which is AHEAD of the KAT2 and in a place where no matching is being done. Remember, the KAT2 does NOT TUNE the antenna/coax, it only provides a conjugate match to the RADIO... so if you have a 3:1 SWR ON THE COAX, it's still gonna be there AT THE EXT. meter, but at the K2, the KAT2 will have compensated it down to near 1:1. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS At 13:04 10/05/2007, JT Croteau wrote: So I just finished my KAT2 assembly and alignment. I even just had a nice QSO on 20M using my 40M dipole. However, while the KAT2 reports a nice 1.2:1 SWR and 5.6W POUT and 0.2 reflected, my external wattmeter (Elecraft W1) is still showing a horrible match with the SWR way off the scale. Any ideas? Thanks -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 aligned and working but..
On 10/5/07, Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perfectly expected. The KAT2 is inside the K2 - and is just matching your bad SWR to the finals. The bad SWR is still there outside the radio. Yeah, I thought of this just after I posted. Sometimes I don't get it til I actually write out the problem. Heh, thanks Tree. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Checking K2 sensitivity...
The 20m low power/sensitivity bulletin on early K2s is on the Elecraft web site is at: http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/k2_20M_LowPower.htm 73 Dave, G4AON ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 aligned and working but..
JT, Unless you have somehow placed the W1 between the K2 and the *input* to the KAT2 (not an easy feat), you will not see any reduction of SWR on the antenna transmission line. The KAT2 (or any tuner for that matter) does not change the antenna, it just adds inductance and capacity to reduce the SWR at *its* input - the SWR at its output will remain the same. So, no problem, what you are seeing is the expected behavior. If you feel you must reduce the SWR between the KAT2 output and the antenna, you will have to work on the antenna itself. If you are feeding with coax, that may be a concern, but if you are feeding the antenna with low loss parallel transmission line, all should be good. 73, Don W3FPR JT Croteau wrote: So I just finished my KAT2 assembly and alignment. I even just had a nice QSO on 20M using my 40M dipole. However, while the KAT2 reports a nice 1.2:1 SWR and 5.6W POUT and 0.2 reflected, my external wattmeter (Elecraft W1) is still showing a horrible match with the SWR way off the scale. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 shipping on Oct 08
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Dave G4AON wrote: Julian I did contact Lisa and confirm my credit card and order details. I placed a deposit by phone 29th or 30th April, so I would hope those who assisted Elecraft with their finances would get some reward, being placed near the front of the queue for a start! I believe the reward would be in getting your K3 before the folks that didn't order early and send in a deposit. 73 - thom Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Manual and updated Assembly Manual?
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if the manuals were posted today? If the K3 is just about ready to ship then the manuals should be ready also! Being in the first batch...I really hope if there is a time crunch, Aptos decides to pack and ship mine before they take the time to post manuals. Yea, I know...I'm self centered...but I paid a deposit to get a rig early, not an online manual, which I can't use to contact anyone. 73-k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Checking K2 sensitivity...
Something that Elecraft offers (that you won't find from other major manufacturers as far as I know) is a way for you to measure the sensitivity of your receiver using standard measurement techniques easily and inexpensively even if you don't have much test equipment. You know that sensitivity and volume are two different things. Volume is easy to achieve. The ability to hear signals down in the band noise is something else. Once you have enough volume to hear the noise, raising it won't help dig out that signal. For that you need a better signal-to-noise ratio. Elecraft has neat, inexpensive little mini-kit calibrated signal generators that come with instructions on how to measure the sensitivity of your receiver. They are quick and fun to build with a few simple tools. You can use one to make accurate measurements of the MDS (minimum discernable signal) and the Signal-to-Noise-Plus-Noise ratio of your K2 (and any other receiver) for meaningful side-by-side comparisons as well as a way to check to see if your rig is still hearing as well as it has in the past. Check out the XG1 (40 meter only) or XG2 (80/40/20 meter) signal generators at http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm Ron (A shameless endorsement) AC7AC -Original Message- I am the second owner of K2 #2289. I've built and added a number of options. But I wonder about its rx sensitivity. I often have to use the preamp on 30 and 20 meters to hear weaker signals. The same is not true of my 756 PRO 2, at least on the same signals while doing an A/B comparison. That said, I'd like to know the best way to re-check the rx sensitivity on my K2. I still prefer it to my PRO 2 for copying CW, especially with narrow filters kicked in. The PRO 2 has horrible ringing with narrow filters. Otherwise, it just seems like the PRO 2 has better ears. Some how I don't think that should be. Maybe my K2 needs tweaking. 73, Steve N6VL _ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[qrp-l.org] W3P/SCH in PA QSO Party!
Hello all, The NT3V Contest Team has been selected to operate a PA QSO Party Bonus Station this year. We are all very honored to have been selected to operate as one of five W3P PA QSO Party Bonus Stations. We will setup our W3P Bonus Station at the Hawk Mountain Scout Reservation in Schuylkill County. Look for us on ssb, cw and psk31. The ops for the stations will be NT3V, WR1B, W3UM, WA3WSJ, NZ3G and KB3GWY. We will be operating from a cabin up on a mountain in Schuylkill County and it will be a blast! What a collection of operators and skills for this station. If you hear W3P/SCH, please give us a call and collect your 200 extra bonus points per band per mode -hi! Here's a breakdown of who does want: Phone: NT3V, NZ3G, WR1B KB3GWY CW : W3UM WA3WSJ PSK31: WA3WSJ Head Cook: WA3WSJ Yes, I will do all the cooking for this motley crew! Friday night we head over to Tamaqua, PA for a full course Italian dinner with ALL the extras. We then will drive to the cabin and do some final checks on the equipment. Saturday morning final checks and then start the Party. Saturday night I cook steaks with mushrooms and all the fix'ns! Sunday eat eat and eat and oh yes operate the Party hi! If you hear us, stop by and kick your feet up awhile as this is the friendly QSO party. It's also the PA QSO Party's 50th Anniversary. CQ CQ CQ Party de W3P! 73, Ed, WA3WSJ ___ http://mail.qrp-l.org/mailman/listinfo/qrp-l_qrp-l.org
[Elecraft] KX1 power on problem
My 3-band KX1 does not always come fully on when I hit the power switch. I am plugged into external 14 VDC power. I also have the same symptoms on battery power. Symptoms are as follows: Log lamp always works Sometimes power comes on normally with the frequency shown in the display and band noise and signals in the headphones. Sometimes when I turn it on I hear noise, but not band noise and the display remains dark. The noise right now is accompanied with a start up buzz that fades to white noise with a dark display. After a lot of power cycling when I am trouble shooting the KX1 starts up every time and the start up buzz goes away and the display works. One more symptom that is odd, I just used recall memory to tune to 7.040 MHz. I then cycled the power. The radio came up on 6.0691 MHz, it forgot the last frequency used. No matter what the prior frequency is the radio comes up at the following frequencies: 40M - 6.0691 30M - 10.1068 20M - 14.0054 The buzzing noise makes me think an electrolytic is going somewhere. I am not sure where to start, anyone have a pointer? Mike Scott - AE6WA Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA) QRP-ARCI #12326/ KX1 #1311/ Swan 350C ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re:FOR SALE: Ten Tec 238 Tuner
Tuner is spoken for. Thanks! 73 Dub At 08:15 PM 10/4/2007, you wrote: Excellent condition, inside and out, with one very small exception. The thin inner web of the antenna selection knob was split, probably by over tightening the set screw, which is a fairly common occurrence, especially the band-switch knobs on some of the older Ten Tec radios. The knob should be available from Ten Tec, however, this knob has been re-enforced by filling the outer ring around the split web with epoxy, making it stronger than a new one would be. Original manual. Bungee Cord for the dial string has just been replaced. $325.00 shipped to contl USA. Postal money order preferred. 73 Dub -- J. W. (Dub) Thornton K5DUB Minco, OK. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- J. W. (Dub) Thornton K5DUB Minco, OK. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] New Product request ...
Since I have now constructed a K1 and a K2, I can say that setting the K2 up for SSB is more involved than it might be for CW. To that end, there needs to be another Elecraft test device, to assist people to set up the K2. Most of what is needed is already present in individual tools Elecraft makes as kits. We need an item that does three(3) things: 1). A dummy load to handle at least 20-watts 2). A pad buffer (at the output of the dummy load) to be used to filter out/reduce the transmitter RF, and detect/output the audio. This is used as the input to a computer soundcard (for use with Spectrogram or other spectrum analyzer)) for transmitter bandwidth/ BFO analysis. 3). A audio white-noise generator which is fed to a cable terminated with a 8-pin mic-plug. This would be used to source the signal which would be used by the entire transmission chain, finally outputting signal which can be bandwidth and quality analyzed for proper transmitter alignment. Alignment of the receiver IF/BFO is much more straight-forward and requires little more than a N-Gen (K2 audio output fed to computer soundcard). But getting the transmitter aligned to the same point as the receiver, and calibrating the voice response thru the SSB filter is nothing less than hunt--peck for most of us (hope the best and pray the fellow on the other end is forgiving grin). This message should be taken as a formal request for Wayne and Gary, and not as a huge new source of discussion. We all know this request is reasonable and has utility. -Paul Pollock-K2 #6148 KD7BWB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Product request ...
Paul, I believe you may be making the situation overly complex. Certainly specialized test equipment can be used to do the task you request, but the tools are already available if you are willing to use your computer to assist with the task - you apparently are already familiar with Spectrogram. The transmit passband response will be the same as the receive passband response set for the SSB FL1 position, so the transmitted audio passband can be properly set in receive using Spectrogram. The SSB FL1 BFO settings are the ones used for transmit as well as receive (when the K2 is set to receive on the FL1 filter), and when these BFOs (FL1 LSB and USB) are properly set on receive, the same audio passband will be transmitted - there is no transmit frequency offset involved on SSB. Unless your voice is unusually low or high pitched, set Spectrogram markers at 300 and 2600 (for the 2.4 kHz OP1 filter width) and center the receive passband between those two markers. Do that on both LSB and USB for the FL1 filter position and the BFOs should be properly set to transmit an audio spectrum containing energy in the 300 to 2600 Hz range. If your voice requires content in the audio range higher or lower than that, skew the passband (but not more than 100 Hz on the low frequency end) so it covers the audio range that you require. If you wish to actually look at the transmit passband using Spectrogram, I would suggest that you use another relatively wideband receiver to listen to the transmitted signal - connect that receiver to the computer running Spectrogram, transmit with the K2 into a dummy load and couple the other receiver (with a short antenna) so you receive about an S-9 signal. For white noise, or pink noise input (or most any other kind of audio waveform) to the K2, download the NCH Tone Generator from http://www.nch.com.au/tonegen/index.html and use that to provide the output from your soundcard. If you do not have 2 computers available, download Audacity to record the output of NCH Tone Generator in WAV format and burn that to a CD which you can play on a non-computer CD player. There are many ways to 'skin the cat' without resorting to specialized equipment - computer based tools abound, particularly in the audio realm. If you have a 32 bit soundcard, you can achieve close to a 90 dB dynamic range. Elecraft does produce the 2T-GEN which can be used to produce a 2 tone test signal for adjusting your SSB audio for minimum IMD. The same setup using Spectrogram on a separate receiver will give you a good picture of the transmitted audio spectrum. 73, Don W3FPR Paul Pollock wrote: Since I have now constructed a K1 and a K2, I can say that setting the K2 up for SSB is more involved than it might be for CW. To that end, there needs to be another Elecraft test device, to assist people to set up the K2. Most of what is needed is already present in individual tools Elecraft makes as kits. We need an item that does three(3) things: 1). A dummy load to handle at least 20-watts 2). A pad buffer (at the output of the dummy load) to be used to filter out/reduce the transmitter RF, and detect/output the audio. This is used as the input to a computer soundcard (for use with Spectrogram or other spectrum analyzer)) for transmitter bandwidth/BFO analysis. 3). A audio white-noise generator which is fed to a cable terminated with a 8-pin mic-plug. This would be used to source the signal which would be used by the entire transmission chain, finally outputting signal which can be bandwidth and quality analyzed for proper transmitter alignment. Alignment of the receiver IF/BFO is much more straight-forward and requires little more than a N-Gen (K2 audio output fed to computer soundcard). But getting the transmitter aligned to the same point as the receiver, and calibrating the voice response thru the SSB filter is nothing less than hunt--peck for most of us (hope the best and pray the fellow on the other end is forgiving grin). This message should be taken as a formal request for Wayne and Gary, and not as a huge new source of discussion. We all know this request is reasonable and has utility. -Paul Pollock-K2 #6148 KD7BWB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OT - Heath CW Twins
Since there are CW and Heath enthusiasts in one place, I was curious about a set of twins I picked up 4 or 5 years ago. You are welcome to reply off lists if it is not appropriate, as I do not wish to offend. I picked up a Heathkit HR1680, and HX1681, complete with all manuals and power supply / speaker. I have operated with them a bit. I picked up some matching Heathkit paddles, and manuals, though I haven't tried them out. I have only used the twins with a straight key. I like the setup, but for now, I do not have the time to devote to going back over it and checking it out. I was just curious about the opinions on these rigs from the folks that have experience with them. I have not gotten much out of them, power wise, but assumed they just needed some attention. The ham I got them from, was still using them, was retiring from the hobby, as he was up in age, and had to slow down to 35 wpm. That was killing me as I was struggling at about 10wpm at the time. I got the impression he was going to live with his daughter, but he did not say. It was fun learning how to operate a split system and it was with these rigs that I learned, what little I have learned, about zero beat. In one sense, I would like to keep these rigs for the day when I will have more time to pay attention to them, and go through and check them out. On the other hand, I have a bit of a situation here at home, and I may not really get a chance to do those sort of things, and it would be a shame for them to sit around when someone else could be enjoying them. I'm hoping that hearing about the rigs, what they were capable of, and how well they worked, will help me tip the balance which way I want to go with them. I really do like how they look on the bench, especially powered up with all the red lighting. They are in my shack pic on QRZ, http://www.qrz.com/k4dgw , though they were not powered at the time. They do not sell for that much, as most folks are not interested in CW only rigs, so they would not do much to help me towards a K3. Did I mention they looked cool? ;^) I sold my other rigs, TS-570, and IC-718, to pay for the K2 and all the goodies. The 706 that is in the picture was put in the vehicle with a 20m hamstick, so I can listen to CW while I am driving. Thanks. -- David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] K4DGW K2 #5982 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] OT - Heath CW Twins
The eham reviews are mixed. I don't think they were great rigs, but likely a lot of fun. I did a Google search, usually anything heathkit brings up loads of mods and such, but nothing on these rigs... Old stuff is fun to play with, but often not real fun to actually use, although the solid state stuff (no tune?) might be better. I have really been spoiled by modern transceivers, even the old KWM2-a was a chore to hop around the band with. They might be more fun to play with then any amount of money you might get for them. I had a few HW101's, extra clean they go for about $100.00 with power supply, ebay sometimes a bit more... Surely the old stuff is more fun to play with then its worth to sell... Brett N2DTS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT - Heath CW Twins
David: In 1977 (Good Heavens! That's 30 years ago.) I built a HR-1680 and used it for several years. As a strictly CW guy, and preferring separate units, the 1680/81 combination was just what I was looking for. The HR-1680 was not a high performance receiver compared to modern rigs, but I worked an awful lot of DX with it. The real beauty of the HR-1680 was that Heath had a scheme that let you use the VFO as a signal generator and the S-meter as a tuning indicator, and you could align the receiver with no other instruments except a VOM. It was easy for a relatively inexperienced person to build it and get it running correctly. I used a Viking Ranger as a transmitter. As far as I know, Heath never actually sold the HX-1681 at retail. After I built the 1680, I really wanted the companion transmitter, but it never showed up in the Heath catalog. In 1978, I saw a finished HX-1681 on display at a Heath retail store in the Boston suburbs, and asked when it would be for sale. The Heath people told me they were having trouble getting it type accepted by the FCC. Evidently they never did. Thus, I'm not sure how you managed to acquire a 1681. You must have gotten one of the old display units. Given that Heath was having trouble meeting FCC requirements I'd be concerned about the spectral purity of the HX-1681. I would look at the output on a spectrum analyzer before I put the thing on the air. Anyway, the pair would be fun and simple to use, but the HR-1680/HX-1681 is no match for the K2. 73, Steve Kercel AA4AK At 08:19 PM 10/5/2007, David Wilburn wrote: Since there are CW and Heath enthusiasts in one place, I was curious about a set of twins I picked up 4 or 5 years ago. You are welcome to reply off lists if it is not appropriate, as I do not wish to offend. I picked up a Heathkit HR1680, and HX1681, complete with all manuals and power supply / speaker. I have operated with them a bit. I picked up some matching Heathkit paddles, and manuals, though I haven't tried them out. I have only used the twins with a straight key. I like the setup, but for now, I do not have the time to devote to going back over it and checking it out. I was just curious about the opinions on these rigs from the folks that have experience with them. I have not gotten much out of them, power wise, but assumed they just needed some attention. The ham I got them from, was still using them, was retiring from the hobby, as he was up in age, and had to slow down to 35 wpm. That was killing me as I was struggling at about 10wpm at the time. I got the impression he was going to live with his daughter, but he did not say. It was fun learning how to operate a split system and it was with these rigs that I learned, what little I have learned, about zero beat. In one sense, I would like to keep these rigs for the day when I will have more time to pay attention to them, and go through and check them out. On the other hand, I have a bit of a situation here at home, and I may not really get a chance to do those sort of things, and it would be a shame for them to sit around when someone else could be enjoying them. I'm hoping that hearing about the rigs, what they were capable of, and how well they worked, will help me tip the balance which way I want to go with them. I really do like how they look on the bench, especially powered up with all the red lighting. They are in my shack pic on QRZ, http://www.qrz.com/k4dgw , though they were not powered at the time. They do not sell for that much, as most folks are not interested in CW only rigs, so they would not do much to help me towards a K3. Did I mention they looked cool? ;^) I sold my other rigs, TS-570, and IC-718, to pay for the K2 and all the goodies. The 706 that is in the picture was put in the vehicle with a 20m hamstick, so I can listen to CW while I am driving. Thanks. -- David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] K4DGW K2 #5982 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KPA100/KAT100 trouble
Don, It's taken me several weeks to get to this, but tonight was the night. I had tested and determined that the base K2 was fine, but neither the KPA nor KAT controlled power correctly. The parts folks had sent me diodes. Boy, what a nuisance these are to replace! Julius N2WN had suggested putting the KPA's diodes on the underside of the board, where they are easier to get at, and I followed that advice. For the KAT, there's just no good way to get at the backside of the board w/o removing all the connectors. I used a stainless dental pick to clean out the holes from the front, and soldered from that side, too. Power control works great now. Both bridges seem to want to be recalibrated - the max output is about 75W, even when I have 100+ dialed in. I didn't do the original calibration on these, so I'm not certain of how close they were ... and I guess I'm not sure that I measured for full power out when I bought them. I suspect that it's a calibration issue, because output is low across the entire HIGH range. The bargraph is showing about the right number of bars for the POWER setting. Or is there some other problem I should be looking for that might cause this? Thanks again. 73 de chris K6DBG Don Wilhelm wrote: Chris, As your first step, you need to obtain some 1N5711 diodes - obtain 5 of them if you have to order any. First remove the KPA100 and check the base K2 into a good dummy load. Do you have good power control over the entire range? If yes, the base K2 is working, but if no, replace RF Board D9 and re-check. Once you have verified that the base K2 can control the power output, add the KPA100 - operate into a dummy load (no antennas please because there are too many variables to deal with). If the K2 with KPA100 properly controls power and displays a 1:1 SWR, then you will have 2 more extra diodes. OTOH, if the KPA100 produces full power output no matter where the power knob is set, then replace D16 and D17 in the KPA100. The K2 with KPA100 should now properly control power output. Lastly, add the KAT100, but set the ATU menu to CAL and connect the dummy load to the KAT100. If all works well, you have extra diodes, but if all is not well, then replace D1 and D2 in the KAT100. After all is working fine into a dummy load, then you can connect an antenna and try it out - you should find normal behavior. OK, this has been simplistic and considers only that the lightning zapped the wattmeter diodes. This is usually the only consequence, but if at any point, normal behavior is not restored after replacing the diodes, there is some other problem that must be investigated before attempting to proceed any further with the testing. 73, Don W3FPR Chris Kantarjiev wrote: I may be having my first run-in with lightning damage. A thunderstorm rolled through the SF Bay Area last night. I didn't disconnect my antennas until I *saw* the first lightning flash. Oops, I think. I turned on the radio later in the evening, and was getting very high SWR indications on the KAT100, and HiCur on the K2. Hitting TUNE caused a lot of clicking and clacking, and eventual tune to about 1.5:1, but SWR was still high on transmit - and the indicated power on the bargraph was lower than dialed in. This is on both antennas - a vertical and OCF dipole - both more or less resonant. I turned off the rig and called it a night. This morning I pulled out my LP200 dummy load/power meter. The ATU tunes it to 1.1:1. Power out does not change appreciably in response to the POWER knob - if set for any value less than 10W, the power is about 4W; if set for values about 10W (PA on), power out is always about 30W. In neither case is the LED indication on the K2 correct. I also notice that the SWR LEDs no longer display anything when the power is set below 10W, but indicate as expected when POWER is above 10W. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Product request ...
Paul (and others) A neat trick with audio spectrum analysis software running on a PC is to use a diode ring mixer, such as an SBL-1 or equivalent, feed a signal generator into the oscillator port and monitor the IF port on the sound card. Pi network attenuators on at least the IF port will reduce spurious signals which could result from the mixer not being properly terminated with 50 Ohms. While exact details are perhaps a bit much for this list, it's neither complex nor expensive to produce and another useful item for your shack drawer. To give a broad resistive termination for feeding a signal to such devices, I use Wes Haywards resistive tap from the June 2001 QST (Simple RF Power Measurement), this is available from the ARRL members part of their web site. For a signal generator I use an old Marconi 2018. The free software Spectrum Laboratory from DL4YHF (http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/spectra1.html), which also includes a two tone test generator, and can be configured for an orange graticule and green trace to look like a proper spectrum analyser. All good fun for less than $10. 73 Dave, G4AON ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
