RE: [Elecraft] K3 Duty cycle

2008-05-17 Thread Gary Hvizdak
At 0114 EDT on Sat 17 May 2008 Jim Miller (KG0KP) wrote ...

What is considered the practical duty cycle of the K3/100 ...?

--

Jim,

Page 9 of the K3 manual states: Duty Cycle CW and SSB modes, 100% 10-min.
100W key-down at 25 C [77 F] ambient
:
:
I assume the K3 owner's manual is more up to date than the following FAQ
entry on Elecraft's website
:
:
Q: Does the KPA3 have plenty of power to allow for 100-W full duty cycle
operation in all modes?

A: We may limit power level or maximum TX time for 100% duty-cycle modes
(AM/FM/FSK).  I can't say for certain, because we're still doing extended
transmit tests.  We used two fairly large, standard-size fans so they'd run
at slow speed in most operating situations.  But fans in this size are
readily available with higher CFM ratings, so we could offer an extended-
duty-cycle upgrade if that were warranted.  This would only increase the
depth of the fans; you wouldn't have to add fans to the top of the cabinet

The fans have 4 speeds, are temperature controlled, and they turn off when
not needed.  They're large and quiet.

In fact the entire fan panel is an upgradeable module -- we wanted to make
sure the K3 could adapt to specialized requirements.

So far our feedback from RTTY contesters is that they were able to operate a
whole contest without getting the K3's heatsink too hot.  The fans rarely
went to full speed.

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[Elecraft] K3 Vs 7700

2008-05-17 Thread Gary Gregory
Well I have read the claims of the 7700 and I don't see where they are
anywhere near exceptional. To the contrary, I think they are pretty ordinary
and for the price?...H, glad I had the good sense to get the K3.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Gary...#679..and loving it!!!

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shipping to UK

2008-05-17 Thread G4ILO


David Cutter wrote:
 
 I gave my firm's address, so it came all the way by UPS and what's more
 they 
 didn't want the VAT in advance, it just went on the monthly VAT import
 bill 
 to my firm, so I got more time to pay and no delay.  This is probably a
 tip 
 
Today I got a letter from Parcel Farce demanding the ransom fee. This
includes a GBP 13.50 clearance fee - more than a quarter of the amount of
the VAT. I can pay it online, over the phone or through the post. I paid it
online, and have been given a delivery date of next Tuesday.

I could have gone to the depot to collect it, and had it today, but Parcel
Farce don't use the local Post Office, and the depot is nearly an hour's
drive away. With petrol at over GBP 5 a gallon now (that's 10 USD to the
rest of you) you think twice about getting the car out these days.

I can't remember how much UPS charged for taking the VAT when the K3 came,
but I'm sure it wasn't 13.50, and I was able to pay the driver as well so
delivery wasn't further delayed. I think UPS is probably the best option for
all but the smallest items.

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[Elecraft] K3 Katiegram

2008-05-17 Thread Stephen Prior
For those of you following this, Katiegram received today for a K3/100 kit,
ordered 24 December just as Santa was flying overhead!  Estimated shipping
date two weeks ahead.

Yabadabadoo!

Stephen G4SJP



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 has no TX audio...any ideas?

2008-05-17 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
It's a TAP or HOLD switch (all four of those knobs there do that) and  
in this case you should be HOLDing it - just long enough until both  
CMP  PWR leds go out. You don't have to hold it while you turn (as  
opposed to some of the filter functionality introduced later where you  
HOLD  TURN at the same time).

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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On 17 May 2008, at 06:22, Dick Roth wrote:


Ken Kopp wrote:

Hello Dick,
Just a thought .
The MON function also has a gain control to
the monitor level.  Push in the CMP / PWR
knob and adjust the level ... 0 - 40.
73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Wow!  It never occurred to me to keep it pushed in.  And I couldn't  
figure out whether to use Pwr or Cmp...doh


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 has no TX audio...any ideas?

2008-05-17 Thread Dick Roth KA1OZ

David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
It's a TAP or HOLD switch (all four of those knobs there do that) and in 
this case you should be HOLDing it - just long enough until both CMP  
PWR leds go out. You don't have to hold it while you turn (as opposed to 
some of the filter functionality introduced later where you HOLD  TURN 
at the same time).

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174


David, there's so much to learn about this rig!  The last hf rig I owned 
was a National NCX-3.  Three bands and two bandwidths (CW  SSB).  Plain 
and simple (of course one had to tune the radio (dip the plate, increase 
the drive, etc.).


Thanks for the pointer.

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73,
Dick ka1oz
Middleborough, MA

K3/100(Kit) SN 000859
Titan-DX (to come)
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Zero beat hint and why 800hz maximum?

2008-05-17 Thread David Woolley (E.L)

O. Johns wrote:

Also, 740.0 is within a fraction of a Hertz of a correctly tuned 
(well-tempered tuning) F#.  So there is good reason to have the 
increments of sidetone pitch be 10 Hz rather than 50 Hz.


Might it not be better to use a logarithmic scale (e.g. equal tempered 
semi-tones) or a near logarithmic scale, with rational frequency ratios 
(natural (is this well tempered?) semitones).


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 BETA FIRMWARE RELEASE -- MCU rev 1.94

2008-05-17 Thread David Woolley (E.L)

Tom Childers, N5GE wrote:


In the Army they taught us to turn on the spot signal and tune the spot against
the received signal.  When you hear the warbling stop, you are zero beat on the
RX signal.


That's easy if you are trying to tune against a continuous carrier, but 
you are normally tuning against a signal that is being 100% amplitude 
modulated at about 10 to 30 baud (12 to 36 wpm).  It gets quite 
difficult to separate the amplitude modulation from the keying from that 
from the beating.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 BETA FIRMWARE RELEASE -- MCU rev 1.94

2008-05-17 Thread Brian Alsop

Dave,

I don't agree with your conclusion at all.  It just takes practice.   If 
you're having trouble crank the filter width of the DSP to a narrow 
setting and tune until the signal peaks.  That will be close enough.
The extraneous signals from other stations and noise  within wide filter 
settings are much more of a problem than the on off nature of CW.


Having to accurately zero beat is much over rated, in my opinion.

The practice and requirement to zero beat really came from the old 
days where rigs drifted like crazy.  One had to start near zero beat to 
have a chance to be heard.  It wasn't at all uncommon to drift 
completely out of the RX passband while calling a station.   In fact, 
older more skilled ops knew which direction the rig drifted.  They would 
include this knowledge and start calling off frequency so that the drift 
would bring then to and through zero beat while calling.   It also was 
much more relevant when there was only a single answering station.  Now 
the name of the game is to stand out somehow-- be it strongest or most 
in the clear.

Call them where they are listening  really applies.   I frankly don't 
see the practicality of using the auto zero beat function when a station 
is listening on ever changing frequencies that are not zero beat.   Thus 
there is also an art aspect to working stations.  

Of course we're talking CW here.   Interesting that nobody is 
complaining about not being able to zero beat in SSB.  I frankly find 
that a much more challenging exercise.  It certainly is mentally much 
more complex.   The algorithm seems to be tune until it sounds right.  
Same with CW.

One has to experiment to define right

73 de Brian/K3KO


David Woolley (E.L) wrote:


Tom Childers, N5GE wrote:



In the Army they taught us to turn on the spot signal and tune the 
spot against
the received signal.  When you hear the warbling stop, you are zero 
beat on the

RX signal.



That's easy if you are trying to tune against a continuous carrier, 
but you are normally tuning against a signal that is being 100% 
amplitude modulated at about 10 to 30 baud (12 to 36 wpm).  It gets 
quite difficult to separate the amplitude modulation from the keying 
from that from the beating.




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[Elecraft] K3 BETA FIRMWARE RELEASE -- MCU rev 1.94

2008-05-17 Thread Kenneth Waites
Brian, exactly !
  If it is such a chore to zero beat a CW station, how did we ever do it when 
we did not have all these aids.  I do in fact ponder a bit in zeroing an SSB 
station sometimes on a net freq when it seems to me he may be 10 cycles or so 
off.  But CW is just no sweat.
   
  I am amazed at some reflectors ( I also read the Tentec and IC-7700 
reflector, Alpha reflectors, ACOM reflectors) when folks seem to be confused by 
mike gain controls, rf output controls, antenna jacks.  Good Grief !  I am 
convinced that some of these folks could not pass the novice exam I took in 
1957, and they have extra class calls.  Even an understanding of ohm's law 
seems to escape some folks, and I am sure some extra class licensees could not 
build a dipole.  But I am getting off the subject.
   
  Getting close rather than getting precisely on a CW station has its advantage 
since you want a bit of separation from all others that may be calling a 
station.  Dont sweat the small stuff.
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Filter for K3

2008-05-17 Thread Ian White GM3SEK

J. Edward (Ed) Muns wrote:
I agree with Joe's summary.  Note that the 250 Hz 8-pole filter is 
really about 370 Hz at the -6 dB point.  Any of the current 500, 
400 or 250 Hz crystal filters will be fine for RTTY.  With any of 
them, the DSP can be narrowed to 300 Hz without rolling off the outside 
edges of the two tones.


Note that the Dual-Tone Filter for RTTY is cascaded with the crystal 
and normal DSP filters and if either of the latter two filters are 250 
Hz (at -6 dB) the three-filter-cascade will have significant roll-off 
on the outside skirts.  This has the undesired effect of moving the two 
filter peaks much closer together than the 170 Hz split.


That said, I have been running the 370 Hz crystal filter (aka 250 Hz 
8-pole) with 200 Hz DSP and the DTF for several months now in RTTY 
contests.  While the resultant passband was indeed rolled off as 
described, this was overall a net benefit in heavy pileup conditions 
because it filtered out the pileup better, producing a clear callsign 
quicker, despite the rolled-off passband.  In other than heavy pileup 
conditions, it is best to keep the DSP at 300 Hz or higher, especially 
for copy of weaker signals.


In the future, there will probably be a 200-400 (or 200-500) Hz 
variable 5-pole crystal filter that will be ideal to track with the DSP 
for high performance RTTY reception, ranging from weak signal to heavy 
pileup conditions.



Thanks to both Joe and Ed.  I hadn't realised just how wide Inrad's 
so-called 250Hz filter is. 50% wider than nominal is frankly 
ridiculous.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 has no TX audio...any ideas?

2008-05-17 Thread David Wilburn

Did you stay up all night playing with it???  ;)


Dave Wilburn
K4DGW
K2/100 - S/N 5982
K3/100 - S/N 766

For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will 
never know.



Dick Roth KA1OZ wrote:

David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
It's a TAP or HOLD switch (all four of those knobs there do that) and 
in this case you should be HOLDing it - just long enough until both 
CMP  PWR leds go out. You don't have to hold it while you turn (as 
opposed to some of the filter functionality introduced later where you 
HOLD  TURN at the same time).

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174


David, there's so much to learn about this rig!  The last hf rig I owned 
was a National NCX-3.  Three bands and two bandwidths (CW  SSB).  Plain 
and simple (of course one had to tune the radio (dip the plate, increase 
the drive, etc.).


Thanks for the pointer.


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[Elecraft] yeah Hoooo!

2008-05-17 Thread VE7AJJ
Order placed Dec 23.  Katiegram arrived late yesterday (Friday).
Other than for ironing out a couple of discrepancies I am totally
ready to take delivery of that K3.

Garry/Ve7ajj
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[Elecraft] K2 SN 192 ?

2008-05-17 Thread H. M. Motley Jr.
I have a chance to buy a rather early K2 in unbuilt kit form. It's serial 
number 192. It has the SSB adaptor, Noise blanker, Audio filter, a set of 
pre-wound toroids and the Revision B boards and parts and updated manual.  In 
doing some research on the WWW, I see there have been a number of 
changes/modifications over the years by the factory and others. I've run across 
alternate wiring for the AF gain and mention of a cure for BFO drift.  Does 
someone have a list of the various changes that I should incorporate while 
building this rather early K2 should I decide to take the plunge and buy it? 

Thanks  73,
Puck


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[Elecraft] problem with low output in SSB on 40m,80m

2008-05-17 Thread pa2am

hi,

I uploading yesterday the new firmware MCU 01.88, FPF00.01, DSP1/DSP2 01.70
in my K-3 nr 576, now I see a very low output abt 15 watts in SSB on 40m
band and lower. 20m and higher works normaly with output 100 watts. CW is
also no problem with 100 watts on all bands. 

Hope somebody can help me..

Wim PA2AM

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[Elecraft] K-3 S-Meter Absolute test

2008-05-17 Thread Mike Scott
I thought I would pass on the results of my testing the absolute S-meter
mode using the XG2 signal generator as reference source.
I am using beta FW 01.96/00.02/0.173

The VFO-B help menu for Smtr scale says that the S-meter is calibrated with
preamp on, and AGC on. It looks from my data that my unit S#508 the
calibration is consistent with pre amp off, not on. Was there a change? 

Test results using default S-meter parameter settings and AGC on are below.
Filter used for this test is the stock 2.7 KHz 5 pole. Test was done on 40M,
F = 7.040 MHz with receiver zero beat to tone (using 50 Hz bandwidth to zero
beat).
I notice that with 500 Hz filter and 6 Khz filter settings that all
measurements below move down an S, see note below.

Smtr mode = Nor
Pre Amp off, ATT off
50-uV = S-9
1-uV = S-3

Smtr mode = Nor
Pre Amp on, ATT off
50-uV = S-9 + 10 dB
1-uV = S-5

Smtr mode = Nor
Pre Amp on ATT on
50-uV = S-9
1-uV = S-3

Smtr mode = Abs
Independent of ATT or Preamp settings
50-uV = S-9
1-uV = S-3

I like the absolute mode and will leave it there. Since running this test I
have adjusted filter gains of the 6 KHz and 500 Hz filters up by 3dB to
equalize the S meter readings (and audio) independent of filter settings.

Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
K3-100 #508/ KX1  #1311


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[Elecraft] K3 Katiegram

2008-05-17 Thread N9IW

K3/100 Assembled, KAT3, KXV3, 2.8K, 500.

Ordered  Dec 21, 2007
Katiegram May 16, 2008.

KRX3 Sub Receiver and KFL3A-2.8K back ordered.

scheduled to ship about three weeks from confirmation

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N9IW
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[Elecraft] K3 Bandwidth SAV Not Working

2008-05-17 Thread Roy Morris
I would like to know if the SAV function has been temporarily disabled in 
firmware.  This is the function that sets the bandwidth in memory and is 
accessed by pushing in the SHIFT knob for approx 3 seconds.  These memories are 
set through --NOR-- selection.  Presently I cannot SAV new bandwidth 
settings.  
Roy Morris  W4WFB  K3 #323
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[Elecraft] RE: Dayton 2008

2008-05-17 Thread Dave Agsten
I was wondering about any Dayton news also. I was guessing that Icom might be 
trying to unload PRO IIIs with the 7700 out now. I've sure seen lots of PRO 
IIIs up for sale. I got rid of mine just in time. Only American made rigs from 
now on. Elecraft, Flex, Alpha and Dentron.

73,
Dave N8AG


  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bandwidth SAV Not Working

2008-05-17 Thread Stewart Baker
Works OK here.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Sat, 17 May 2008 12:02:33 -0400, Roy Morris wrote:
 I would like to know if the SAV function has been temporarily
disabled in firmware.
 This is the function that sets the bandwidth in memory and is
accessed by pushing in
 the SHIFT knob for approx 3 seconds.  These memories are set
through --NOR--
 selection.  Presently I cannot SAV new bandwidth settings.
 Roy Morris  W4WFB  K3 #323
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 SN 192 ?

2008-05-17 Thread George Victor
It is a matter of price.
It can be built to be current.
You may need some new parts from Elecraft.
Look at LA3ZA's Unofficial Guide to Elecraft K2 Modifications.
You can find it on Elecrafts website.
You will get a feel of what you are up against.
George
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RE: [Elecraft] K2 SN 192 ?

2008-05-17 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Yes, Elecraft some dedicated K2 owners have the data on line. Elecraft has
upgrade kits to bring your vintage K2 up to the current configuration and
performance. For a list of the various upgrade kits for the K3, see:

http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K2Parts


If you want to review each mod independently and perhaps incorporate them
using parts on hand check this excellent list compiled by Sverre, LA3ZA that
features links to detailed how-to documents for each mod:

http://www.qslnet.de/la3za/K2/mod.html

Also, there's a wealth of information about the K2, mods and application
notes on the Elecraft web site:

http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/K2info.html

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

I have a chance to buy a rather early K2 in unbuilt kit form. It's serial
number 192. It has the SSB adaptor, Noise blanker, Audio filter, a set of
pre-wound toroids and the Revision B boards and parts and updated manual.
In doing some research on the WWW, I see there have been a number of
changes/modifications over the years by the factory and others. I've run
across alternate wiring for the AF gain and mention of a cure for BFO drift.
Does someone have a list of the various changes that I should incorporate
while building this rather early K2 should I decide to take the plunge and
buy it? 

Thanks  73,
Puck


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[Elecraft] What a ( K3 ) case!!!

2008-05-17 Thread Ken Kaplan

Hi guys.
Just received my K3 carry case from Rose Kopp (N7HKW).
Very well made. Holds the K3 (#253) securely and safely.
No financial interest, just a very satisfied customer.
Email her at:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
73
Ken WB2ART
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www.wb2art.com

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 SN 192 ?

2008-05-17 Thread Jim Wiley



A few years ago I purchased an unbuilt K2 from eBay.  It had a serial 
number in the 1300s.  One of the best pieces of advice I got was to 
order a current  (new) main PCB, and  to incorporate all of the 
recommended upgrade kits  during the build.  The  updated  circuit 
board  kit allowed me to incorporate the needed upgrades with minimal 
difficulty.   A bit of study of the upgrades and modifications is needed 
to make sure that you don't end up going backwards by mistake, but 
even that was relatively easy. I think the item you need is called the 
K2 rev A to rev B  upgrade kit - or something very much like that.  
Check the Elecraft web site for a better description, prices, and 
installations instructions.



My K2 has since seen additional upgrades and additions, and is now a 
current spec radio that meets all of the performance requirements of 
the very latest models.  In my opinion,  the ability to keep any radio 
updated to factory fresh  is the number one feature of all Elecraft 
products.



Good luck with your new kit!


- Jim, KL7CC

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[Elecraft] K2 - signal loss in band-pass filter

2008-05-17 Thread Are LB3SA

I recently completed my K2 and everything seemed to work OK. All tests are ok
with exception of a slightly low 8V regulator output (7.59V).

The sensitivity seems low however (my KX1 is much better at this point).
Tracing the receiver revealed that sensitivity is top notch at certain
points. This is where it gets weird...

When I inject a signal on the north side (according to schematic) of C7
(40m), C15 (80M), C24 (20M) and the same on all other bands, the sensitivity
is great. But when I inject the signal on the other side of these capacitors
(pin 8 on the relays), the level drops  (at least 20db) to the same as what
it is at antenna, W6, W1,D2/D3, D3/D4 and all other points along the signal
path.

I removed W6 and RFC7 to isolate the problem and to see if anything in the
T-R switch or Low Pass filters could pull the signal down but there is no
change. I still only hear a weak signal when I inject a signal at pin7 or 8
on the respective relays. But as soon as I touch either side of C6 for 40m,
L7 for 80m, C22 for 20m etc, it is as strong as it should be.

I have measured all the relays for potential shorts but they seem to be
fine.

Any ideas out there?

73,
Are - LB3SA 


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 SN 192 ?

2008-05-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Puck,

If the price is right, you can end up with a K2 that is an exact equal 
of the current shipped K2s.
You did say it has the Rev B boards included, and that is the current 
ship level for the boards.
I know you will need to order the Keying Waveshape Mod and a couple 
1N4148 diodes over and above any kits associated directly with the A to 
B conversion.  You will also have to inventory just which mod kits have 
been included with the A to B upgrade - there is the basic K2ATOBKT, but 
there are several 'optional' kits too (I don't consider them really 
optional for a complete job).  Some of them may be included in the 
package he has, maybe not.


In addition, you would want to order and use the newer spec'ed IF 
crystals (these were introduced after SN 2560), and you will want to be 
careful with the pre-wound toroids for a few have changed (L25, L26, T7 
and T3 are the specific ones I recall).  You may or may not have to 
order the newest firmware (I don't know which level he would have).


All in all, it should be an easy task with the new set of boards - the 
AF Gain wiring changes are already on the new rev boards.


It would actually be best if you built to the current manual 
instructions rather than either manual that might be included.


Price-wise, the entire set of A to B mod kits (exclusive of the boards) 
total to less than $150 including the new firmware.  With that as a 
consideration, you can intelligently negotiate the price.  After you 
have the kit(s) in hand, we can help you sort out which of the mod kits 
are present and which need to be ordered.  The task of getting 
everything straight may be a bit confusing at first, but once that 
accomplished, the build should be straightforward using the current manual.


Note that with the purchase of the Rev B. boards, there should have been 
a new serial number too, and that serial number will be greater than 3000.


73,
Don W3FPR

H. M. Motley Jr. wrote:
I have a chance to buy a rather early K2 in unbuilt kit form. It's serial number 192. It has the SSB adaptor, Noise blanker, Audio filter, a set of pre-wound toroids and the Revision B boards and parts and updated manual.  In doing some research on the WWW, I see there have been a number of changes/modifications over the years by the factory and others. I've run across alternate wiring for the AF gain and mention of a cure for BFO drift.  Does someone have a list of the various changes that I should incorporate while building this rather early K2 should I decide to take the plunge and buy it? 


Thanks  73,
Puck
  


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - signal loss in band-pass filter

2008-05-17 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Are,

Do you have anything attached to J13 (Xverter Interface)? If not a 
resistance measurement between pin 7 of one of the relays K1, K2  etc and 
ground with the K2 switched OFF, and W6 removed, should read a very high 
value, I would expect  1 Megohm.


There is also the remote possibility that one of the relays is stuck with 
its pin 7 connected to its pin 8, something which could be checked with a 
resistance measurement with the K2 turned off.


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


Are, LB3SA, wrote on Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:44 PM

I recently completed my K2 and everything seemed to work OK. All tests are 
ok

with exception of a slightly low 8V regulator output (7.59V).

The sensitivity seems low however (my KX1 is much better at this point).
Tracing the receiver revealed that sensitivity is top notch at certain
points. This is where it gets weird...

When I inject a signal on the north side (according to schematic) of C7
(40m), C15 (80M), C24 (20M) and the same on all other bands, the 
sensitivity
is great. But when I inject the signal on the other side of these 
capacitors
(pin 8 on the relays), the level drops  (at least 20db) to the same as 
what
it is at antenna, W6, W1,D2/D3, D3/D4 and all other points along the 
signal

path.

I removed W6 and RFC7 to isolate the problem and to see if anything in the
T-R switch or Low Pass filters could pull the signal down but there is no
change. I still only hear a weak signal when I inject a signal at pin7 or 
8
on the respective relays. But as soon as I touch either side of C6 for 
40m,

L7 for 80m, C22 for 20m etc, it is as strong as it should be.

I have measured all the relays for potential shorts but they seem to be
fine.

Any ideas out there?

73,
Are - LB3SA 


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Re: [Elecraft] RE: Dayton 2008

2008-05-17 Thread Lou Aguilar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFuy01zZR4g

This japanese company has a new radio with a good looking amber/orange  
LCD display.



KN1w



On May 17, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Dave Agsten wrote:

I was wondering about any Dayton news also. I was guessing that Icom  
might be trying to unload PRO IIIs with the 7700 out now. I've sure  
seen lots of PRO IIIs up for sale. I got rid of mine just in time.  
Only American made rigs from now on. Elecraft, Flex, Alpha and  
Dentron.


73,
Dave N8AG



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Re: [Elecraft] RE: Dayton 2008

2008-05-17 Thread w6jd
WOW am I ever underwhelmed!

Doug W6JD

-- Original message -- 
From: Lou Aguilar [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFuy01zZR4g 
 
 This japanese company has a new radio with a good looking amber/orange 
 LCD display. 
 
  
 KN1w 
 
 
 
 On May 17, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Dave Agsten wrote: 
 
  I was wondering about any Dayton news also. I was guessing that Icom 
  might be trying to unload PRO IIIs with the 7700 out now. I've sure 
  seen lots of PRO IIIs up for sale. I got rid of mine just in time. 
  Only American made rigs from now on. Elecraft, Flex, Alpha and 
  Dentron. 
  
  73, 
  Dave N8AG 
  
  
  
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - signal loss in band-pass filter

2008-05-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Are,

The 'wierd' symptoms you report could be normal depending on the output 
characteristics of your signal generator.  The capacitors C7 and C8 in 
the 40 meter bandpass form a voltage divider that is intended to match 
the high impedance of the filter parallel tuned circuits down to a lower 
impedance level. If a signal is arbitrary injected at the top end of C7, 
there can (and likely will) be more voltage developed across the filter 
than if the same signal voltage is injected at the junction of C7 and C8 
(a similar argument applies to the other bands).  Put RFC7 and W6 back 
in place to give the proper termination for the filter.


A valid comparison is to compare the signal at the junction of C7 and C8 
with the signal at the junction of C4 and C5.  That would give an 
indication of the loss through the bandpass filter.  That comparison is 
more easily done in transmit than receive (the filter is bi-lateral).  
Compare the RF voltage at the junction of D6 and D7 with the RF voltage 
at W6 using a transmit power level of 1 to 2 watts.


If the bandpass filter is not indicating a substantial loss, then you 
may have some other problem in the receive path.


If your bandpass filter does show a substantial loss, try re-peaking it 
first, and if that does not produce adequate results, then look for an 
impedance mismatch at the filter terminations - check R36 and R5 first 
for proper values and good soldering.


There are many other places other than the bandpass filter that can 
cause weak receive.  If your K2 develops full output power on all bands, 
then the bandpass filter is likely not the problem area.


73,
Don W3FPR


Are LB3SA wrote:

I recently completed my K2 and everything seemed to work OK. All tests are ok
with exception of a slightly low 8V regulator output (7.59V).

The sensitivity seems low however (my KX1 is much better at this point).
Tracing the receiver revealed that sensitivity is top notch at certain
points. This is where it gets weird...

When I inject a signal on the north side (according to schematic) of C7
(40m), C15 (80M), C24 (20M) and the same on all other bands, the sensitivity
is great. But when I inject the signal on the other side of these capacitors
(pin 8 on the relays), the level drops  (at least 20db) to the same as what
it is at antenna, W6, W1,D2/D3, D3/D4 and all other points along the signal
path.
  


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[Elecraft] An K2 with 2M transceiver.

2008-05-17 Thread Thomas Snare Knutsen

Hello all.
An idea I gor recently was to order another K2 and incorporate an 2M 
transverter in to it. Would this be possible, or am I crazy just 
thinking about it?
I guess that the Auxbus would be avaible inside the transceiver so that 
the control should not be any problem.
Does anyone know if the Elecraft 2M transverter would fit inside the K2? 
If so then it migth just be to find an way to incorporate it to the top 
cover and maybe screen it some?


Best 73's de Thomas LA3PNA
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Zero beat hint and why 800hz maximum?

2008-05-17 Thread Tom McCulloch
Please forgive me for jumping in without having fully  followed this thread 
so if this has been mentioned already, I apologize.


I have a visual zero beat indicator on my K2 which was supplied by Tom 
N0SS.  Works great uses the 10th LED of the S/RF meter to tell when a signal 
if in the middle.


Again I've only been partially following so this has been already mentioned
Tom
wb2qdg
k2 1103
 Original Message - 
From: Norm Duxbury [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:52 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: Zero beat hint and why 800hz maximum?



Willis,

Don't forget, your K3 will have CWT which gives a visual indication of cw
zero beat.  It works very well.

73, Norm - W1MO

'Cookie' wrote:I don't know what technique I will use with my K3.  I
will have to wait until I get it on the air to find
out. (December 27 order and still waiting).
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 SN 192 ?

2008-05-17 Thread Vic K2VCO

H. M. Motley Jr. wrote:

I have a chance to buy a rather early K2 in unbuilt kit form. It's
serial number 192. It has the SSB adaptor, Noise blanker, Audio
filter, a set of pre-wound toroids and the Revision B boards and
parts and updated manual.  In doing some research on the WWW, I see
there have been a number of changes/modifications over the years by
the factory and others. I've run across alternate wiring for the AF
gain and mention of a cure for BFO drift.  Does someone have a list
of the various changes that I should incorporate while building this
rather early K2 should I decide to take the plunge and buy it?


Hi Puck!

If it has the rev B boards, etc., then hopefully what it is is a basic 
K2 plus the K2BCOMPKT kit and a couple of other things, which comprises 
what you need to bring it up to the level equivalent to serial no. 3000. 
For details, see http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K2BCOMPKT


This includes upgrade instructions. This includes the AF gain 
modification that you mentioned, and also a keying waveform improvement 
mod which was incorporated after serial no. 3000. Check with the seller 
(I think I have a suspicion about who it is!) and verify that it 
includes the stuff described in the link above.


If so, you will probably not need to make any additonal modifications.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Re: [Elecraft] An K2 with 2M transceiver.

2008-05-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Thomas,

I have thought about that too in the past, but I discarded it.
There are mechanical problems to be solved - such as the heat sinking 
for the XV144.  It might work if the XV144 were mounted upside down 
inside the K2 lid.
My final opinion on it was that the transverter stacked under the K2 was 
the best solution.  YMMV.


73,
Don W3FPR

Thomas Snare Knutsen wrote:

Hello all.
An idea I gor recently was to order another K2 and incorporate an 2M 
transverter in to it. Would this be possible, or am I crazy just 
thinking about it?
I guess that the Auxbus would be avaible inside the transceiver so 
that the control should not be any problem.
Does anyone know if the Elecraft 2M transverter would fit inside the 
K2? If so then it migth just be to find an way to incorporate it to 
the top cover and maybe screen it some?

 PM
  

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Zero beat hint and why 800 hz maximum?

2008-05-17 Thread O. Johns

David,

The well-tempered scale is logarithmic, in a sense.  Each semitone  
frequency is gotten from the just-lower one by multiplying by the  
twelfth root of 2.  That way 12 semitone steps automatically make a  
perfect octave (factor of 2 in frequency).  If you're gonna have  
twelve notes in a chromatic scale, and gonna have all the musical keys  
sound more or less the same (all equally bad according to the purists)  
then you pretty much are stuck with this irrational ratio.


Hey, I just RTFM.  On page 9 of the K3 Owners Manual C1 it says that  
the sidetone is adjustable from 300 to 1000 Hz.  Is that really so?  I  
can't find anything in the manual about increments.  I haven't ordered  
a K3 yet, so can't check.  Is the increment really 50 Hz, anyone?


I'd be happy if the K3 sidetone/offset just went up to 880 instead of  
stopping at 800.  Of course, 880 requires 10 Hz increments.  I wonder  
if the problem here is memory register space.  From 300 to 1000 with  
50 Hz increments  would be 15 different pitches, just shy of two bytes  
of memory space to record.  The same range with 10 Hz increments, it  
would be 71 different pitches, requiring nine bytes of memory space to  
record.


73,
Oliver Johns
W6ODJ


On 17 May 2008, at 4:36 AM, David Woolley (E.L) wrote:


O. Johns wrote:

Also, 740.0 is within a fraction of a Hertz of a correctly tuned  
(well-tempered tuning) F#.  So there is good reason to have the  
increments of sidetone pitch be 10 Hz rather than 50 Hz.


Might it not be better to use a logarithmic scale (e.g. equal  
tempered semi-tones) or a near logarithmic scale, with rational  
frequency ratios (natural (is this well tempered?) semitones).


--
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Re: [Elecraft] An K2 with 2M transceiver.

2008-05-17 Thread Thomas Snare Knutsen
Yes, the heatsinking of the powermodule migth be an problem, but 
mounting the transverter upside-down would cure this.
Is the size of the transverter PCB so that it could fit inside the K2? 
The best would be If the speaker could be left alone, but I think that 
is impossible?
I guess that I don't need to build the K2 Power amplifier and low pass 
filters, since it would be used as an 2M only transceiver.
An K2 2M transceiver had been cool to go together with an basic K2, and 
since the dollar exchange rate is low at the moment, I can afford to 
order another K2.


Best 73's de Thomas

Don Wilhelm skrev:

Thomas,

I have thought about that too in the past, but I discarded it.
There are mechanical problems to be solved - such as the heat sinking 
for the XV144.  It might work if the XV144 were mounted upside down 
inside the K2 lid.
My final opinion on it was that the transverter stacked under the K2 
was the best solution.  YMMV.


73,
Don W3FPR

Thomas Snare Knutsen wrote:

Hello all.
An idea I gor recently was to order another K2 and incorporate an 2M 
transverter in to it. Would this be possible, or am I crazy just 
thinking about it?
I guess that the Auxbus would be avaible inside the transceiver so 
that the control should not be any problem.
Does anyone know if the Elecraft 2M transverter would fit inside the 
K2? If so then it migth just be to find an way to incorporate it to 
the top cover and maybe screen it some?

 PM
  




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RE: [Elecraft] RE: Dayton 2008

2008-05-17 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
What you're seeing there is a new market driver that will produce a host
of HF radios that require very little expertise to operate them for a much
broader market than Ham radio. 

The driver is the Global Marine Distress Safety System (GMDSS) that is
used on vessels of all sizes around the globe to protect life at sea. It's
what replaced Sparky and his CW rig on large ships.

There's a HUGE misconception that GMDSS is a satellite based system. Not
so. On large vessels, satellite systems are used for routine communications
when there's no emergency and satellites form a backup during emergencies
assuming the equipment is working and needed. But satellites are a backup,
*not* the backbone of the system. 

On large ships such as Sparky used to travel aboard, the GMDSS system
depends upon HF (Shortwave) point-to-point SSB communications to contact
other ships and shore stations just like Hams use to make contacts across
the HF spectrum. Licensed GMDSS operators have to apply a knowledge of HF
propagation in order to choose the best frequencies for the needed range
under any conditions, just as experienced Ham operators do. Emergency calls
are made using Digital Selective Calling (DSC) feature on these radios which
alerts bridge crews throughout the area in the event of an emergency call.

That has spawned a huge demand for rugged, easy-to-use HF SSB equipment such
as ICOM is showing in the Youtube presentation. Hams will certainly see a
lot of product fallout as manufacturers focused on that market provide a new
generation of simple-to-use but efficient equipment for Ham band operations
as well. 

Ron AC7AC



-Original Message-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFuy01zZR4g

This japanese company has a new radio with a good looking amber/orange  
LCD display.


KN1w


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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Zero beat hint and why 800 hz maximum?

2008-05-17 Thread Alexandr Kobranov
In any case (of upper limit) 10Hz step will be better for personal 
settings and for special weak signal tracking.

Hope this will be on thi list for some future release of firmware.
73!
Lexa, ok1dst
K3/10 #727



O. Johns napsal(a):

David,

The well-tempered scale is logarithmic, in a sense.  Each semitone 
frequency is gotten from the just-lower one by multiplying by the 
twelfth root of 2.  That way 12 semitone steps automatically make a 
perfect octave (factor of 2 in frequency).  If you're gonna have twelve 
notes in a chromatic scale, and gonna have all the musical keys sound 
more or less the same (all equally bad according to the purists) then 
you pretty much are stuck with this irrational ratio.


Hey, I just RTFM.  On page 9 of the K3 Owners Manual C1 it says that the 
sidetone is adjustable from 300 to 1000 Hz.  Is that really so?  I can't 
find anything in the manual about increments.  I haven't ordered a K3 
yet, so can't check.  Is the increment really 50 Hz, anyone?


I'd be happy if the K3 sidetone/offset just went up to 880 instead of 
stopping at 800.  Of course, 880 requires 10 Hz increments.  I wonder if 
the problem here is memory register space.  From 300 to 1000 with 50 Hz 
increments  would be 15 different pitches, just shy of two bytes of 
memory space to record.  The same range with 10 Hz increments, it would 
be 71 different pitches, requiring nine bytes of memory space to record.


73,
Oliver Johns
W6ODJ


On 17 May 2008, at 4:36 AM, David Woolley (E.L) wrote:


O. Johns wrote:

Also, 740.0 is within a fraction of a Hertz of a correctly tuned 
(well-tempered tuning) F#.  So there is good reason to have the 
increments of sidetone pitch be 10 Hz rather than 50 Hz.


Might it not be better to use a logarithmic scale (e.g. equal tempered 
semi-tones) or a near logarithmic scale, with rational frequency 
ratios (natural (is this well tempered?) semitones).


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[Elecraft] KX1 build with 8030 mod

2008-05-17 Thread David Dolsen

GM DE VE7TTJ

I have purchased a KX1 kit along with the 8030 board and ATU kit. I 
want to do initial assembly incorporating the 8030 board (why put 
things in just to take them out?) I have built five other single-band 
rigs over the years so it's not a skill-testing question, just 
wondering if there are any gremlins I can't spot in blending the two 
sets of instructions. The ATU appears to be just a matter of pulling 
jumpers out of the female sockets to make way for the pins. It's the 
business of not installing L1 and L2 off the top and various Cap 
changes that makes me ask if it's better to make friends with 
desoldering wick instead. Comments?


TU 73 VE7TTJ
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Re: [Elecraft] KX1 build with 8030 mod

2008-05-17 Thread Are LB3SA

Hi David,

I buildt the KX1, tuner and the 30/80m module all at the same time without
doing it in stages. I had absolutely no problems and everything works like a
charm. I can't think of any particular things to watch  out for.

But is is TIGHT!!! Pay a lot of attention to getting the leads as short as
possible plus bending components down flat as required.

Best of luck,
Are - LB3SA   ex VE3TSZ  VA3ARE



David Dolsen wrote:
 
 GM DE VE7TTJ
 
 I have purchased a KX1 kit along with the 8030 board and ATU kit. I 
 want to do initial assembly incorporating the 8030 board (why put 
 things in just to take them out?) I have built five other single-band 
 rigs over the years so it's not a skill-testing question, just 
 wondering if there are any gremlins I can't spot in blending the two 
 sets of instructions. The ATU appears to be just a matter of pulling 
 jumpers out of the female sockets to make way for the pins. It's the 
 business of not installing L1 and L2 off the top and various Cap 
 changes that makes me ask if it's better to make friends with 
 desoldering wick instead. Comments?
 
 TU 73 VE7TTJ
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Re: [Elecraft] An K2 with 2M transceiver.

2008-05-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Thomas,

Yes, you would have to sacrifice the speaker and the external speaker jack.
I believe the XV144 board would fit, but nothing else.

73,
Don W3FPR

Thomas Snare Knutsen wrote:
Yes, the heatsinking of the powermodule migth be an problem, but 
mounting the transverter upside-down would cure this.
Is the size of the transverter PCB so that it could fit inside the K2? 
The best would be If the speaker could be left alone, but I think that 
is impossible?
I guess that I don't need to build the K2 Power amplifier and low pass 
filters, since it would be used as an 2M only transceiver.
An K2 2M transceiver had been cool to go together with an basic K2, 
and since the dollar exchange rate is low at the moment, I can afford 
to order another K2.


Best 73's de Thomas
  

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[Elecraft] Dayton Discovery

2008-05-17 Thread Ed Berbari
I  have been monitoring this reflector for over 3 months as I have making up 
my mind about getting a K3.  Arrived at this decision with an unusual point 
of view - I will save this for another post.  I ordered a well equipped K3 
on May 6 presumably ahead of the Dayton rush.


Anyway I still have a lot of questions and had a chance to talk with Wayne 
this afternoon at the booth.  I wondered about the requirement of using the 
keyer for standalone PSK or RTTY operation.  He said the feature was there 
because he doesn't always like to turn on his computer to operate these 
modes.  I agreed but noted that I can type faster than I can send code.  So 
why not a more flexible way to connect just a keyboard.  He then pointed out 
the RJ-45 connector on the bottom/front of the rig.  He just sort of smiled 
about this, but after reading the mail for several months and reading the 
owners manual fairly thoroughly this was the first I heard of this feature 
(yet unused).  Following his coy smile he just indicated that the keyboard 
was probably not a front burner issue.


Does anybody on the list have more info on the RJ-45 that they would like to 
share?


Ed, W9EJB 



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Re: [Elecraft] KX1 build with 8030 mod

2008-05-17 Thread Don Wilhelm
Yes, it can be done - I do that all the time, but then I have done many 
many of these kits and know where to look when something goes wrong.  
Unfortunately, you likely do not have that background with the KX1.


If you attempt to do everything together, there is no opportunity to 
give it the interim tests.


The most 'tricky' part of the KXB3080 is the low pass filter, and that 
is where most builders run into problems (other than the tinning of T2's 
leads).  For that reason I strongly recommend that you do *not* install 
the LPF for the KXB3080 until after you have tested it with the rest of 
the KXB3080 parts installed.  Yes, you will have to wind and install L1 
and L2 as instructed in the KX1 basic manual.


One way you could proceed which does allow interim testing is as follows:
1) Build the KX1 through Assembly Part II the per the manual except that 
you would not install L7. C1, C27 nor C26, and L6 would be installed on 
the bottom of the board.
2) Install C1 and C26 from the KXB3080 option, then wind and install T2 
per the KXB3080 manual.
3) The KX1 can now be aligned and tested for receive on 20 and 40 
meters.  Complete Alignment and Test part II.
4) Build the transmit portion of the KX1 using the KX1 manual Assembly 
Part III.
5) Test the KX1 transmit on 20 and 40 per the manual Alignment and test 
part III.  Your KX1 has now been tested for both transmit and receive on 
20 and 40 meters.
6) Start in the KXB3080 manual at page 8 (Part II) and complete the rest 
of the steps in that manual.  This will test your KX1 on all 4 bands.

7) Go back to the KX1 manual and complete the final assembly.

One extra note:  The positioning of the KXB3080 LPF requires clearance 
for the tuner components.  It is a good idea to build and install the 
tuner between steps 5 and 6 above.


If you have great faith in your construction and troubleshooting 
ability, then feel free to just dive in and 'do it', but I would not 
suggest that unless you have already done one or two of these.


73,
Don W3FPR


David Dolsen wrote:

GM DE VE7TTJ

I have purchased a KX1 kit along with the 8030 board and ATU kit. I 
want to do initial assembly incorporating the 8030 board (why put 
things in just to take them out?) I have built five other single-band 
rigs over the years so it's not a skill-testing question, just 
wondering if there are any gremlins I can't spot in blending the two 
sets of instructions. The ATU appears to be just a matter of pulling 
jumpers out of the female sockets to make way for the pins. It's the 
business of not installing L1 and L2 off the top and various Cap 
changes that makes me ask if it's better to make friends with 
desoldering wick instead. Comments?


 PM
  

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Re: [Elecraft] Dayton Discovery

2008-05-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ed,

That connector is currently only used in the factory test.  There was 
talk of a keyboard for it last year at Dayton, but I have heard nothing 
more.  Your conversation with Wayne indicates that there is still hope.


73,
Don W3FPR

Ed Berbari wrote:
I  have been monitoring this reflector for over 3 months as I have 
making up my mind about getting a K3.  Arrived at this decision with 
an unusual point of view - I will save this for another post.  I 
ordered a well equipped K3 on May 6 presumably ahead of the Dayton rush.


Anyway I still have a lot of questions and had a chance to talk with 
Wayne this afternoon at the booth.  I wondered about the requirement 
of using the keyer for standalone PSK or RTTY operation.  He said the 
feature was there because he doesn't always like to turn on his 
computer to operate these modes.  I agreed but noted that I can type 
faster than I can send code.  So why not a more flexible way to 
connect just a keyboard.  He then pointed out the RJ-45 connector on 
the bottom/front of the rig.  He just sort of smiled about this, but 
after reading the mail for several months and reading the owners 
manual fairly thoroughly this was the first I heard of this feature 
(yet unused).  Following his coy smile he just indicated that the 
keyboard was probably not a front burner issue.


Does anybody on the list have more info on the RJ-45 that they would 
like to share?


Ed, W9EJB
  

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Re: [Elecraft] Dayton Discovery

2008-05-17 Thread David Wilburn
It has been talked about before, and I was under the impression it was 
off the table as for as future availability.  Your discussion with 
Wayne indicates otherwise.


The connector is used for testing and equipment interaction when they 
build the unit at the factory.  Others can add more.  I had my hopes 
up at one point that they were going to make that a keyboard port, and 
looking at this response from one of the field testers, it looks like 
it may still be on the 'list'.


http://www.nabble.com/forum/ViewPost.jtp?post=14037060framed=y



Dave Wilburn
K4DGW
K2/100 - S/N 5982
K3/100 - S/N 766

For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will 
never know.



Ed Berbari wrote:
I  have been monitoring this reflector for over 3 months as I have 
making up my mind about getting a K3.  Arrived at this decision with an 
unusual point of view - I will save this for another post.  I ordered a 
well equipped K3 on May 6 presumably ahead of the Dayton rush.


Anyway I still have a lot of questions and had a chance to talk with 
Wayne this afternoon at the booth.  I wondered about the requirement of 
using the keyer for standalone PSK or RTTY operation.  He said the 
feature was there because he doesn't always like to turn on his computer 
to operate these modes.  I agreed but noted that I can type faster than 
I can send code.  So why not a more flexible way to connect just a 
keyboard.  He then pointed out the RJ-45 connector on the bottom/front 
of the rig.  He just sort of smiled about this, but after reading the 
mail for several months and reading the owners manual fairly thoroughly 
this was the first I heard of this feature (yet unused).  Following his 
coy smile he just indicated that the keyboard was probably not a front 
burner issue.


Does anybody on the list have more info on the RJ-45 that they would 
like to share?


Ed, W9EJB

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[Elecraft] RE: Dayton 2008

2008-05-17 Thread Don Rasmussen
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFuy01zZR4g 
 WOW am I ever underwhelmed!

Now wait a minute, it's got gaskets and appears to be
bolted to a knobby tread or something. Very stylish.
And although Ashley may be verbally challenged, quite
some eye candy there. Points to Icom. 

The fair test would be to bolt K3 to an RV tire then
dump a bucket of water on it, to find out which is
more rigged and therefore better.

Also need to find out how many cats lost life #9 in
the development cycle. ;-)

[Elecraft] RE: Dayton 2008
w6jd at comcast.net w6jd at comcast.net 
Sat May 17 15:12:28 EDT 2008 



WOW am I ever underwhelmed!

Doug W6JD

-- Original message -- 
From: Lou Aguilar kn1w at mac84.com 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFuy01zZR4g 
 
 This japanese company has a new radio with a good
looking amber/orange 
 LCD display. 
 
  
 KN1w 
 
 
 
 On May 17, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Dave Agsten wrote: 
 
  I was wondering about any Dayton news also. I was
guessing that Icom 
  might be trying to unload PRO IIIs with the 7700
out now. I've sure 
  seen lots of PRO IIIs up for sale. I got rid of
mine just in time. 
  Only American made rigs from now on. Elecraft,
Flex, Alpha and 
  Dentron. 
  
  73, 
  Dave N8AG 
  
  
  
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Re: [Elecraft] KX1 build with 8030 mod

2008-05-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

I forgot one item in my list.  Please add the following:
2a)   Do the first 3 steps from page 5 of the KXB3080 manual (cut the PC 
trace and add the wire).


Sorry - I have added it to the list below for anyone who wants a 
complete set of steps.


73,
Don W3FPR

Don Wilhelm wrote:
Yes, it can be done - I do that all the time, but then I have done 
many many of these kits and know where to look when something goes 
wrong.  Unfortunately, you likely do not have that background with the 
KX1.


If you attempt to do everything together, there is no opportunity to 
give it the interim tests.


The most 'tricky' part of the KXB3080 is the low pass filter, and that 
is where most builders run into problems (other than the tinning of 
T2's leads).  For that reason I strongly recommend that you do *not* 
install the LPF for the KXB3080 until after you have tested it with 
the rest of the KXB3080 parts installed.  Yes, you will have to wind 
and install L1 and L2 as instructed in the KX1 basic manual.


One way you could proceed which does allow interim testing is as follows:
1) Build the KX1 through Assembly Part II the per the manual except 
that you would not install L7. C1, C27 nor C26, and L6 would be 
installed on the bottom of the board.
2) Install C1 and C26 from the KXB3080 option, then wind and install 
T2 per the KXB3080 manual.
2a)   Do the first 3 steps from page 5 of the KXB3080 manual (cut the PC 
trace and add the wire).


3) The KX1 can now be aligned and tested for receive on 20 and 40 
meters.  Complete Alignment and Test part II.
4) Build the transmit portion of the KX1 using the KX1 manual Assembly 
Part III.
5) Test the KX1 transmit on 20 and 40 per the manual Alignment and 
test part III.  Your KX1 has now been tested for both transmit and 
receive on 20 and 40 meters.
6) Start in the KXB3080 manual at page 8 (Part II) and complete the 
rest of the steps in that manual.  This will test your KX1 on all 4 
bands.

7) Go back to the KX1 manual and complete the final assembly.

One extra note:  The positioning of the KXB3080 LPF requires clearance 
for the tuner components.  It is a good idea to build and install the 
tuner between steps 5 and 6 above.


If you have great faith in your construction and troubleshooting 
ability, then feel free to just dive in and 'do it', but I would not 
suggest that unless you have already done one or two of these.


73,
Don W3FPR


David Dolsen wrote:

GM DE VE7TTJ

I have purchased a KX1 kit along with the 8030 board and ATU kit. I 
want to do initial assembly incorporating the 8030 board (why put 
things in just to take them out?) I have built five other single-band 
rigs over the years so it's not a skill-testing question, just 
wondering if there are any gremlins I can't spot in blending the two 
sets of instructions. The ATU appears to be just a matter of pulling 
jumpers out of the female sockets to make way for the pins. It's the 
business of not installing L1 and L2 off the top and various Cap 
changes that makes me ask if it's better to make friends with 
desoldering wick instead. Comments?


 PM
  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bandwidth SAV Not Working

2008-05-17 Thread KM5Q
It works on mine (using the current Beta firmware). However, I had to  
read the errata addition in the instructions 3 times to get it.


SUGGESTION:  I think it would be more useful to have it edit what NORM  
means so that one press of NORM would give me my preferred setting(s)  
of I/II.


For example, on CW (I have the 500Hz filter) NORM is .50. I'd rather  
begin cruising the band with a wider setting, then narrow down when I  
choose. So I'd prefer to save my NORM setting as .90. I was hoping to  
do this with SAV, but to have to then remember to turn the knob to an  
ALT, it's more trouble than just adjusting the passband wider.


Windy KM5Q
K3 #764

On Sat, 17 May 2008 12:02:33 -0400, Roy Morris wrote:
 I would like to know if the SAV function has been temporarily
disabled in firmware.
 This is the function that sets the bandwidth in memory and is
accessed by pushing in
 the SHIFT knob for approx 3 seconds.  These memories are set
through --NOR--
 selection.  Presently I cannot SAV new bandwidth settings.
 Roy Morris  W4WFB  K3 #323
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Re: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns

2008-05-17 Thread W7TEA

What held me back from completing my K3 order was the small  
front panel.  I played with one in Aptos and decided that while I'd much
prefer 
a larger panel with more space between the knobs, the K3 would work.  
I've most recently owned an Orion, an Omni VI+ and an Omni VII.  
I tend to like big. Hope the K3 arrives next month. 

Gary W7TEA


IC-7800 height or even a tad more. I'm not a fan of making radios as small 
as possible.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV


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[Elecraft] KatieGram

2008-05-17 Thread W0JFR

5/16/08: Received KatieGram
12/23/07: Placed order

  - 73, John, W0JFR
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 BETA FIRMWARE RELEASE -- MCU rev 1.94

2008-05-17 Thread ab2tc

I now have version 1.96/1/73 and still having this problem. I have just
finished building the XG1 test oscillator and have checked the S-meter
calibration. 1uV shows S3 and 50uV shows S9, sometimes S9+5 with both
1.78/1.58 and the 1.96/173 firmware versions. So the calibration doesn't
seem to be the problem. Right now the S-meter is pretty well useless on a
band with real strong signals. 

Knut - AB2TC


ab2tc wrote:
 
 Something has happened to the S-meter in this release. All of a sudden I
 have signals that are 60dB over S9. I am sure there is no more than 6-10dB
 between S9+10 and S9+60. This is also evident when backing off the RF
 gain.  I have not made any CONFIG changes in order to use the new absolute
 S-meter setting. I have not recalibrated the S-meter. What is wrong here?
 
 Knut - AB2TC
 
 
 

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[Elecraft] Trail Activation on Sunday

2008-05-17 Thread Ron Polityka

Hello,

I plan on going out on the Appalachian Trail on 18 May 2008. I have to run 
into work to turn pumps off, then I am going to the AT.


I hope to be on the air sometime between 11:00 and 12:00 UTC. I will start 
out on 7.030 +/- QRM. I will also try 30 and 20 meters a little later. I 
currently have 940 QSO's from the AT. I will be out until the thunderstorms 
hit or 16:00 UTC.


I will be using my K1 and the BWV antenna.

72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
www.wb3aal.com
www.n3epa.org/

K1 - SN 01011
K2 - SN 01392

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Re: [Elecraft] An K2 with 2M transceiver.

2008-05-17 Thread ww2r

take a look at

http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/PDF/144-28ECK.pdf

i know a few stations that use one to drive microwave transverters with
144MHz. It puts out 100mW which is ample drive and heat generation is not an
issue

Dave

ww2r



Hello all.
An idea I gor recently was to order another K2 and incorporate an 2M 
transverter in to it. Would this be possible, or am I crazy just 
thinking about it?
I guess that the Auxbus would be avaible inside the transceiver so that 
the control should not be any problem.
Does anyone know if the Elecraft 2M transverter would fit inside the K2? 
If so then it migth just be to find an way to incorporate it to the top 
cover and maybe screen it some?

Best 73's de Thomas LA3PNA

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Re: Re: [Elecraft] Re: Zero beat hint and why 800hz maximum?

2008-05-17 Thread Fred Jensen

David Woolley (E.L) wrote:
div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixedO. Johns 
wrote:


Also, 740.0 is within a fraction of a Hertz of a correctly tuned 
(well-tempered tuning) F#.  So there is good reason to have the 
increments of sidetone pitch be 10 Hz rather than 50 Hz.


Might it not be better to use a logarithmic scale (e.g. equal tempered 
semi-tones) or a near logarithmic scale, with rational frequency ratios 
(natural (is this well tempered?) semitones).




Only if you're running CW on a clavier.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party  4-5 Oct 08
- www.cqp.org
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[Elecraft] hi-current problems k2/100

2008-05-17 Thread Jferg977
I'm having trouble with hi-current shutdowns at  higher power settings on all 
bands below 20 meters (30,40, and 80) . 20 meters  and above work fine. 

I bought and built a W1 wattmeter which when  connected to the notebook is 
really neat.  output watts shown on W1 are a  bit lower than shown on k2 
screen, 
but seem close enough  (6.1 on k2 for  5.9 on W1). 

I've checked the 1N5711's and they are still diodes.   where else should I be 
looking?

john ferguson AI4TO  




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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2008-05-17 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   For those of you who have not wilted in the heat nor gone to Dayton there 
will be a couple nets tomorrow.  Today it only got to 91 here but in the valley 
it was much warmer.  The breeze has kicked up so it feels better but the fire 
danger is skyrocketing.  My poor daffodils were drooping so I gave them some 
water and all of the other plants in the yard and on the deck.  It felt good to 
spray myself too!  Two weeks ago it was snowing now it is the depths of summer. 
 The forecast mentions a respite in my future.  Rains and decreasing 
temperatures.  Only another day or two of this and it will get back to 
'normal'.  
   On a better note: twenty meters was fairly quiet and capable of maintaining 
a few hour long contacts this week.  Forty was also good for me.  I tried 30 
and 80 and they too elicited a few nice chat sessions.  Even though the bands 
are not great, by any means, they are good enough; that is all that counts.  
Looked at SpaceWeather a few minutes ago and saw there are a few sunspots.  No 
danger of any storms but it is nice to see something on the recently blank sun. 
 Maybe there will be more activity soon.  I know there will be a few contests 
in the future which will liven up the ionosphere.  Maybe if we make enough 
noise the ionosphere will be activated from our RF.  Never can tell; seems like 
during a major contest the bands get a little better.  Not proposing a 
hypothesis, mind you, just back of the envelope thinking. 

Please join us tomorrow evening.
 
1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help (as well as QSP/QNP relay help)
 
Sunday 2300z (Sunday 4 PM PDT) 14050 kHz
Monday 0200z (Sunday 7 PM PDT)  7045 kHz
 
   Stay cool,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS

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[Elecraft] RFTB Sunday Night

2008-05-17 Thread Larry Makoski W2LJ
This Sunday night is the night for May's Run For The Bacon.

If you're returning from Dayton; I hope you'll still have enough energy to join 
us!

As always, the details for this funfilled 2 hour QRP Sprint can be found at:

http://www.gentzow.com/fpqrp/fpqrprun.php

73 de Larry W2LJ
FP# 612

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Re: [Elecraft] RFTB Sunday Night

2008-05-17 Thread Kevin Rock
I just reread the rules.  Looks like FP activity will be on 7044 kHz.  
Hopefully that means 7045 kHz will be free to use for ECN.  Am I reading this 
correctly?
   Kevin.  KD5ONS


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From: Larry Makoski W2LJ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [Elecraft] RFTB Sunday Night

This Sunday night is the night for May's Run For The Bacon.

If you're returning from Dayton; I hope you'll still have enough energy to 
join us!

As always, the details for this funfilled 2 hour QRP Sprint can be found at:

http://www.gentzow.com/fpqrp/fpqrprun.php

73 de Larry W2LJ
FP# 612

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