[Elecraft] why buy, when you can build it yourself?

2008-09-21 Thread David Reid
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3wrzo_fabrication-dune-lampe-triode_tech

enjoy this video...

73/72 de PA3HBB/G0BZF/PB6X


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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for September 21st & 22nd, 2008

2008-09-21 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   Two very good nets.  Conditions were good tonight on both 20 and 40 meters.  
I was able to drag in Kristinn at a 339 tonight with a little QSB.  Noise on 
both bands was way down.  I only went outside after the second net to get a few 
loads of wood to dry.  It is getting dark very early but we have to wait for 
Daylight Savings time to end before we lose the Summer Triangle again.  40 
meters had QSB to anyone east of me but the QRN was low.  There was some static 
from lightning but not the roar I've been experiencing.  Gain levels were both 
around 12 o'clock which is nice after having to keep both at maximum for the 
last month.  Makes working the nets a lot more pleasant and much less work.
   I did overhear a complaint from N7AF about Arizona being humid.  When I 
lived in Albuquerque that complaint occurred each time the humidity got into 
double digits!  Arizona is a wetter state so I expect Dave is getting 25-30% 
readings :)  Being from the Midwest I thought I knew something about humidity.  
Then I moved to Houston and found out the very great difference between 95% and 
100%!  Never again did I complain at 90%.  Albuquerque was the other extreme: 
hoping to get enough water so your eyes would not make noise when they blinked 
;)  One time I was lying in bed looking at the ceiling wondering what I was 
seeing.  Found out later my corneas had wrinkled and I was seeing the 
aberration.  Hydration took on a whole new meaning while I was biking to school.

   On to the lists =>

   On 14050 kHz at 2300z:
K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
TF3KX - Kristinn - Iceland - K2 - 6425
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457   ** QNI #245 **
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
K9ZTV - Kent - MO - K3 - 21
N3ND - Dan - FL - K3 - 1567
N0BK - Bruce - MN - K2 - 3646
AC0H - Kevin - IA - K2 - 4684
WA5BDU - Nick - AR - K3 - 1195

   On 7046 kHz at 0200z:
K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686 
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398   * QNI #190 *
N0SS - Tom - MO - K3 - 008
K6DGW - Fred - CA - K3 - 642
WC7S - Dale - WY - K2 - 4360
N3ND - Dan - FL - K3 - 1567
W1TF - Ty - GA - K3 - 696
N2YC - John - NY - K2 - 5949QNI #40!!!
N7AF - Dave - AZ - K2 - 4795
WB5BKL - Nick - TX - K3 - 231
NS7P - Phil - OR - K2 - 4635
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457

   Oh my, the time has not flown away.  I may get done with this report before 
9 PM!  If there are any errors in the above lists please send the corrections 
via email.  Now I need to make out a QSL card and send it to Kristinn.  I think 
international postage to Iceland is $2 so I have to make a trip to the post 
office.  Oh boy, a new DX entity!  One of these days I need to collect cards 
for WAS too.  Hopefully I can convince a few kind souls to QNI from Delaware 
and South Dakota, the final two states necessary for an all Elecraft WAS award. 
 If I could gather the cards I could get WAS for myself.  In my heart I would 
know what it really means even if I don't get the Elecraft WAS CW award from 
the ARRL.  They really should offer one though ;)  
   Until next week stay well,
  73,
 Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 RX/TX Problem has been localized

2008-09-21 Thread Don Wilhelm

John,

That sounds like a leaky capacitor on the KNB2 board.  The first ones to 
suspect are the 0.1 uf caps with 0.1 inch lead spacing.  I would suggest 
arbitrarily replacing all of them as the first order of business.


It is strange that both TX and RX are affected because the KNB2 is only 
in the receive path - but then, strange things can happen.


73,
Don W3FPR

JohnK1JD wrote:

All
The intermittent (cold rig only) problem cited below completely 
disappeared upon removal of the NB and SSB boards (replacing them with 
the requisite jumpers and the capacitor). The KSB2 board was put back 
first and the rig still behaved perfectly.  However, when the NB board 
was plugged back in the problem returned (note - the NB function is 
turned off).  Interesting that both RX and TX are affected. More to 
follow...


73,
John K1JD
K3/100 #071
K2/100 #583


JohnK1JD wrote:
Trusty K2/100 SN#583 has a problem which is the first significant 
issue since building the basic K2 in Oct of 1999. The rig has been 
mostly unused (neglected?) since the K3 arrived last November, but 
decided to fire it up the other day and discovered that both RX and TX 
exhibit a broadband 'hash' sound instead of distinct CW when first 
turned on, both on signals received and on its transmitted signal. 
This problem lessens as the radio warms up and eventually disappears 
completely. I have used it quite a bit this weekend and it's been fine 
- until I turn it off for a few hours.The frequencies for the VCO and 
BFO seem OK as do the voltages. Cal PLL was performed and completed 
without any errors.


Has anyone experienced this intermittent problem before?



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 RX/TX Problem has been localized

2008-09-21 Thread JohnK1JD

All
The intermittent (cold rig only) problem cited below completely disappeared 
upon removal of the NB and SSB boards (replacing them with the requisite 
jumpers and the capacitor). The KSB2 board was put back first and the rig 
still behaved perfectly.  However, when the NB board was plugged back in the 
problem returned (note - the NB function is turned off).  Interesting that 
both RX and TX are affected. More to follow...


73,
John K1JD
K3/100 #071
K2/100 #583


JohnK1JD wrote:
Trusty K2/100 SN#583 has a problem which is the first significant issue 
since building the basic K2 in Oct of 1999. The rig has been mostly unused 
(neglected?) since the K3 arrived last November, but decided to fire it up 
the other day and discovered that both RX and TX exhibit a broadband 'hash' 
sound instead of distinct CW when first turned on, both on signals received 
and on its transmitted signal. This problem lessens as the radio warms up 
and eventually disappears completely. I have used it quite a bit this 
weekend and it's been fine - until I turn it off for a few hours.The 
frequencies for the VCO and BFO seem OK as do the voltages. Cal PLL was 
performed and completed without any errors.


Has anyone experienced this intermittent problem before?



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RE: [Elecraft] Accessing Filter Settings in KRX3

2008-09-21 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Having just fought through the same issue ... 

Enter the CONFIG menu, select the FLx options, then press SUB. 
Pressing SUB is the key to getting into the filter configuration 
items for the KRX3.  At that point, set the various frequencies 
and gains ... don't for get to enable the appropriate fitters 
for each mode.  LSB, USB, CW, DATA, AM and FM must EACH have 
the appropriate filters enables/disabled individually. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Morris
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 4:58 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing Filter Settings in KRX3
> 
> 
> I might have missed something or this just might be a dumb 
> question.  How do the filters I have in the KRX3 kick in, and 
> how can they be accessed (other than through CONFIG in SUB 
> and the K3 Utility)?  In other words, is it possible to 
> access KRX3 filters through XFIL?  It looks like the KRX3 
> filters are automatically selected depending on the bandwidth 
> selected on the main receiver.  Is this right?  Roy Morris  
> W4WFB 


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Re: RES: [Elecraft] ROOFING FILTERS CW PY5EG

2008-09-21 Thread Don Wilhelm

Oms,

You may either use the K3 Utility program to set up your transmit filter 
or you may use the K3 Config: Menu.  The FLTX menu entry must be set for 
each mode.


73,
Don W3FPR

py5eg wrote:

Hi Don
Thanks for being so fast.
Where can I pre-set the CW filter?
I have the 2,7 Khz, 1,8 , 1,0 and 0,4
73
Oms

-Mensagem original-
De: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviada em: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:14 PM

Para: py5eg
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Assunto: Re: [Elecraft] ROOFING FILTERS CW PY5EG

What is the filter that you have configured for CW transmit?  It must be

the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.

73,
Don W3FPR

py5eg wrote:
  

Hi Folks:

I installed, 2,1  1,8  1.0  and 0,4 roofing filters on my K3.

It is working perfectly on SSB, but it is no working in the other


modes
  

i.e CW.

Did I make something wrong?

Oms PY5EG

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 related - non-linear audio transformer behavior

2008-09-21 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Paul, 

Looking at the Line Out with noise from an Elecraft N-Gen 
indicates the K3 audio is quite dramatically band limited.  

With the maximum DSP high cut frequency and the 13 KHz first 
IF filter, broadband detected noise in either AM or SSB drops 
45 dB between 4 KHz and 4.2 KHz with a further 15 dB roll off 
between 4.2 KHz and 9 KHz where it reaches the noise floor of 
the measuring device.  The HF limit for data modes is also 
4 KHz - depending on data sub-mode and center frequency.  The 
HF limit for CW is approximately 2.5 KHz with the highest 
available "Spot" frequency and center frequency (shift). 

I think is it safe to treat the audio as band limited ... 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 
 




> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul 
> Christensen
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 4:51 PM
> To: Jack Smith; Jim Brown
> Cc: Elecraft List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 related - non-linear audio 
> transformer behavior
> 
> 
> > That's why I question the applicability of a ringing test with a 
> > square
> > wave having a rise/fall time measured in nanoseconds, as 
> the audio that 
> > makes it through the K3's crystal and DSP will not remotely 
> resemble that 
> > waveform.
> 
> Agreed Jack, if the DSP and/or AF stages truly limit impulses 
> through the 
> transformer.  To Jim's point, ignore the modulation type for 
> the moment and 
> consider an impulse noise such as that created by the start 
> of light switch 
> or AC motor.  If the system received BW is wide enough (e.g., 
> selecting the 
> K3's 6 kHz, or especially the 12 kHz filter), I suspect that 
> transient 
> impulse response becomes meaningful.  I have not yet tried to 
> sweep the K3's 
> audio section beyond 4 kHz and the DSP and/or audio sections 
> may preclude an 
> audio response beyond that point.
> 
> One way of testing this is to turn on/off various types of real noise 
> sources as a function of selected filter BW and while 
> observing a scope on 
> the output of the line-out transformer, record the 
> differences in peak 
> values with and without terminating resistance on the transformer 
> secondary -- taking into account any level difference created by the 
> addition of the terminating resistor.
> 
> Paul, W9AC 
> 

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RES: [Elecraft] ROOFING FILTERS CW PY5EG

2008-09-21 Thread py5eg
Hi Don
Thanks for being so fast.
Where can I pre-set the CW filter?
I have the 2,7 Khz, 1,8 , 1,0 and 0,4
73
Oms

-Mensagem original-
De: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviada em: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:14 PM
Para: py5eg
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Assunto: Re: [Elecraft] ROOFING FILTERS CW PY5EG

What is the filter that you have configured for CW transmit?  It must be

the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.

73,
Don W3FPR

py5eg wrote:
> Hi Folks:
>
> I installed, 2,1  1,8  1.0  and 0,4 roofing filters on my K3.
>
> It is working perfectly on SSB, but it is no working in the other
modes
> i.e CW.
>
> Did I make something wrong?
>
> Oms PY5EG
>
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Re: [Elecraft] ROOFING FILTERS CW PY5EG

2008-09-21 Thread Don Wilhelm
What is the filter that you have configured for CW transmit?  It must be 
the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.


73,
Don W3FPR

py5eg wrote:

Hi Folks:

I installed, 2,1  1,8  1.0  and 0,4 roofing filters on my K3.

It is working perfectly on SSB, but it is no working in the other modes
i.e CW.

Did I make something wrong?

Oms PY5EG

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[Elecraft] K3 COVERS MADE BY ROSE KOPP, N7HKW

2008-09-21 Thread John Powell
My cover arrived a few days before the arrival of my (presently unopened, 
pending arrival of the KRX3 module) K3. The cover was what I expected and 
arrived here in NZ within 10 days of my order. Great service and a great 
product.

John Powell. ZL1BHQ
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[Elecraft] ROOFING FILTERS CW PY5EG

2008-09-21 Thread py5eg
Hi Folks:

I installed, 2,1  1,8  1.0  and 0,4 roofing filters on my K3.

It is working perfectly on SSB, but it is no working in the other modes
i.e CW.

Did I make something wrong?

Oms PY5EG

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Chaining CW Messages Quirk

2008-09-21 Thread Steef PA2A

Jack,

If I play two messages, the second one does not interrupt the first one. The 
only problem is that there is no gap at all between two messages. I would 
like to have the standard word gap between two messages.


Steef PA2A
K2 4654
K3 1184

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Trampler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Elecraft Group" 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:09 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Chaining CW Messages Quirk


I just got my K3 (s/n 1662) up and running and I am still getting 
acquainted
with it.  I loaded some simple messages into the CW Message buffers and 
upon

playing them back noticed an issue.  If I try to chain two messages
together, while the first message is playing if I press the second M#
button while the first message is sending a character, the current 
character

being sent is truncated immediately at that point.  The message goes on to
send the remaining characters in the message buffer and then sends the
second message.  If I get lucky and press the second M# button during the
space between characters (and this can be tested easily at slow speeds) no
character truncation takes place and both messages are sent correctly.  I
have all updated firmware as of two days ago.  Any thoughts on this 
besides

not to chain messages? :)

Thanks & 73,
Jack - N2JT
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[Elecraft] Accessing Filter Settings in KRX3

2008-09-21 Thread Roy Morris
I might have missed something or this just might be a dumb question.  How do 
the filters I have in the KRX3 kick in, and how can they be accessed (other 
than through CONFIG in SUB and the K3 Utility)?  In other words, is it possible 
to access KRX3 filters through XFIL?  It looks like the KRX3 filters are 
automatically selected depending on the bandwidth selected on the main 
receiver.  Is this right?  Roy Morris  W4WFB
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 related - non-linear audio transformer behavior

2008-09-21 Thread Paul Christensen
That's why I question the applicability of a ringing test with a square 
wave having a rise/fall time measured in nanoseconds, as the audio that 
makes it through the K3's crystal and DSP will not remotely resemble that 
waveform.


Agreed Jack, if the DSP and/or AF stages truly limit impulses through the 
transformer.  To Jim's point, ignore the modulation type for the moment and 
consider an impulse noise such as that created by the start of light switch 
or AC motor.  If the system received BW is wide enough (e.g., selecting the 
K3's 6 kHz, or especially the 12 kHz filter), I suspect that transient 
impulse response becomes meaningful.  I have not yet tried to sweep the K3's 
audio section beyond 4 kHz and the DSP and/or audio sections may preclude an 
audio response beyond that point.


One way of testing this is to turn on/off various types of real noise 
sources as a function of selected filter BW and while observing a scope on 
the output of the line-out transformer, record the differences in peak 
values with and without terminating resistance on the transformer 
secondary -- taking into account any level difference created by the 
addition of the terminating resistor.


Paul, W9AC 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 related - non-linear audio transformer behavior

2008-09-21 Thread Jim Brown
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:31:00 -0400, Jack Smith wrote:

>Have you considered the difference between hitting a  transformer with a 
>fast rise / fast fall square wave and hitting it with one that is 
>narrowly band limited?

That's one of the virtues of my measurement method -- it looks at the 
response of the transformer with band-limited noise as the signal source, 
and the band-limiting is the filters in the K3.

Jim


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Re: [Elecraft] what is a TMP cable?

2008-09-21 Thread michael taylor
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Charles Harpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TMP cable 12" part #E850339.
>
> What is it for and why should I get it?

It is one of the cables used for the second receiver module, KRX3. If
you have the receiver module, you can start reading at page 22 of the
installation and operation manual (assuming Rev. B of manual).

If you did not order and receive the 2nd receiver module KRX3, then I
don't know, but there shouldn't be any reason to worry. Unless you
hate getting useful free stuff from companies when order from them.

-Michael, VE3TIX
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[Elecraft] Run For the Bacon - tonight!

2008-09-21 Thread Larry Makoski W2LJ
Hello everyone!

The Flying Pig's monthly "Run For the Bacon" QRP CW contest is tonight!

This friendly, low pressure, 2 hour sprint runs from 9:00 to 11:00 PM Eastern 
DST.

For all the details, please visit  http://www.fpqrp.com/fpqrprun.php

The Flying Pigs QRP ARCI is now maintaining an archive of previous "pig-runs" 
for your viewing pleasure.


See you in the troughs!

73 de Larry W2LJ
FP# 612

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Re: [Elecraft] UK Elecraft net report for Sunday 21st September

2008-09-21 Thread Dave G4AON

Hi Trevor, you should join us!

We discussed the merit (or otherwise) of opting to buy the LP-100 
assembled and calibrated as opposed assembling and home calibrating one. 
I opted for getting one assembled and calibrated and one of the other 
net stations built his and calibrated it. We also mentioned the 
variability of the K3's ALC power level control and the optimistic 
calibration of the Acom linear amplifiers... Mine displays some 10 - 20% 
higher readings for output power than I measure either with the LP-100 
or another meter I have.


That was about the bottom line.

73 Dave, G4AON
--

>/Other "almost Elecraft" topics included power measurement and especially
/>/the LP-100 power meters that several of us use.
/That sounds interesting - care to elaborate.

73 to all
Trevor G0KTN
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[Elecraft] K3 Chaining CW Messages Quirk

2008-09-21 Thread Jack Trampler

I just got my K3 (s/n 1662) up and running and I am still getting acquainted
with it.  I loaded some simple messages into the CW Message buffers and upon
playing them back noticed an issue.  If I try to chain two messages
together, while the first message is playing if I press the second M#
button while the first message is sending a character, the current character
being sent is truncated immediately at that point.  The message goes on to
send the remaining characters in the message buffer and then sends the
second message.  If I get lucky and press the second M# button during the
space between characters (and this can be tested easily at slow speeds) no
character truncation takes place and both messages are sent correctly.  I
have all updated firmware as of two days ago.  Any thoughts on this besides
not to chain messages? :)

Thanks & 73,
Jack - N2JT
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[Elecraft] K3 arrival

2008-09-21 Thread Jim Chick

For the benifit of those who are still waiting:-

K3 serial number 1743

Ordered 19th May 08

Katiegram  11th September

Arrived  19th September exactly four months as predicted!

On air 20thSept.

Jim G4NWJ

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[Elecraft] I can't get the K-3 to go to 6 Meters

2008-09-21 Thread Michael Mayer
I just got it to work on 6 Meters.

I was not using the direct entry key.  

Operator trouble.

Thanks,

Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] I can't get my K-3 to receive on xmit on 6 Meters

2008-09-21 Thread Lyle Johnson

The band switch won't go above 30.000.00


You need to use BAND UP to go from 10 meter to 6 meter.  You can't get 
there by tuning a VFO.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] I can't get my K-3 to receive on xmit on 6 Meters

2008-09-21 Thread Michael Mayer
The band switch won't go above 30.000.00

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 related - non-linear audio transformer behavior

2008-09-21 Thread Jack Smith
Have you considered the difference between hitting a  transformer with a 
fast rise / fast fall square wave and hitting it with one that is 
narrowly band limited?


Ignoring for the moment the difference in filter shape between Gaussian 
and the complex shape of the K3 crystal and DSP filters, the rise/fall 
time of a perfect square wave fed into a Gaussian filter is 0.34/BW, or 
for a 1 KHz bandwidth, 340 microseconds.


I have not yet measured but hope to later today, the transformers with a 
slow rise/fall waveform.


A rather different story can be found, I suspect, in other audio 
applications where the source bandwidth may easily be 20 KHz or greater, 
yielding a rise/fall of 17 us or less. The slowest ringing rate I found 
was around 125 KHz, or 8 us for a period. I can see how that might be 
excited by a 17 us rise/fall square wave. I just don't see the same 
effect occurring with 340 us rise/fall "square wave." I use quotes 
around "square wave" because that leads to the image of a waveform with 
an abrupt rise/fall which is not the case where the bandwidth is limited 
to a few hundred Hz or a KHz at most.


That's why I question the applicability of a ringing test with a square 
wave having a rise/fall time measured in nanoseconds, as the audio that 
makes it through the K3's crystal and DSP will not remotely resemble 
that waveform.



Jack K8ZOA

Jim Brown wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:11:22 -0400, Paul Christensen wrote:

  
the square-wave impulse response 
of the transformer becomes less meaningful.



As long as there is impulse noise, the square wave response of the 
line out transformer is definitely relevant! As the folks at 
Elecraft have noted, the primary function of the Line Out is to 
drive data decoders of one sort or another. Those decoders see 
signal plus noise. Any distortion in the transformer is additional 
noise as far as the decoder is concerned. The square wave response 
of the circuit is simply another way of LOOKING at those 
distortion products. 

The analysis of the K3 Line Out that I did back in June using band 
noise as a source of excitation show the same problems as Jack's 
analysis using very different signal sources, but my excitation, 
being broadband, exposes the IM distortion as apparent broadening 
of the filter skirts. Jack measures IM using traditional two-tone 
methods. In other words, we both see the same problems using very 
different methods to study them. 

Those of us working in pro audio learned long ago that broadband 
noise (we use pink noise) is a VERY powerful analysis tool. 


73,

Jim Brown K9YC

Audio Systems Group, Inc. 



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Re: [Elecraft] K2/100 interconnections to a Rigblaster Plus int

2008-09-21 Thread Don Wilhelm

Steve,

Setting up the K2 is about the same as setting up any other transceiver.
One must route the transceiver audio output to the soundcard line in, and
The soundcard line-out must be routed to the microphone jack AF input 
pin - there normally needs to be an attenuator in the line, usually 10:1 
(a 100k in series and a 10k in parallel across the microphone side will do)

That setup will work with VOX all by itself.
If you want to add automatic PTT, you need a transistor (or 
optoisolator) between the computer's serial port DTR or RTS signals and 
the PTT input of the transceiver.  Many circuits to accomplish that feat 
have been published, and most all of them work fine.


So those are the principles involved.  With that knowledge, you should 
be able to trace through the schematic of most interface boxes to 
connect the proper jumpers that will establish those paths required.  
The 'magic' is in connecting to the correct pins through the interface 
box.  Which microphone pins you need to connect will depend on how you 
have wired your K2 microphone configuration header.
I don't know the internals of every interface box out there, so you will 
have to rely on the information provided by that box's manufacturer (or 
the schematic) for those details.


If you follow Jim Brown's advice about bonding things together and using 
twisted pair lines to carry the signals, you may not need an interface 
box at all unless you want to switch from the soundcard connections to a 
microphone without changing cables.  To persue that, look at his 
reflector posts dealing with audio interfacing.


73,
Don W3FPR

STEPHEN W BANKS wrote:

Hello everyone,

I need some help from anyone who might be able to steer me through the process 
of setting up my K2/100/KAT100 rig so I can do occasional digital QSOs with it.

Several years ago I successfully interconnected a couple of previous K2s (not 
simultaneously, of course) with my Rigblaster interface to work occasional 
RTTY, PSK and MFSK digital QSOs at QRP.  I was finishing up one of these K2s 
for another ham who ran out of time to finish it.  The second was my own QRP 
K2, which I eventually sold to another ham.  Both of those rigs ran digital 
modes very well, and I enjoyed numerous digital QSOs at QRP (5W or less).  
Seemed pretty easy to set up and interconnect with the interface, or so I 
thought.  Digipan, HRD, and MixW all ran just fine.  The K2s ran well too, at 
5W QRP settings.

Fast-forward several years to the present.  My current K2/100/KAT100 has been a faithful workhorse rig for a couple of years.  A few hams on the list know how devoted I am to that rig and how superbly its KAT100 tuner and 100W amplifier perform with both my antennas. An occasional SSB QSO offers a bit of diversion from CW, but CW is still my favorite mode.  


I thought, why not try a little digital QSOing too?  Digipan, HRD, MixW and 
MMTTY are all present on this PC so why not dust them off, and put the 
Rigblaster plus back to work too?  At least that what I hoped anyway.

But so far I've been unable to interconnect things correctly, and my foggy memory (even a few written notes) have not helped.  Is there a way to set up a K2/100/KAT100 rig for digital operation that any of you folks might recommend?  With the rear panel 9-pin port on the K2 already connected to a PC COM Port and to the KAT100 via a Y-cable, I have my doubts about adding my Rigblaster Plus interface. 

  


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[Elecraft] K2/100 interconnections to a Rigblaster Plus int

2008-09-21 Thread STEPHEN W BANKS
Hello everyone,

I need some help from anyone who might be able to steer me through the process 
of setting up my K2/100/KAT100 rig so I can do occasional digital QSOs with it.

Several years ago I successfully interconnected a couple of previous K2s (not 
simultaneously, of course) with my Rigblaster interface to work occasional 
RTTY, PSK and MFSK digital QSOs at QRP.  I was finishing up one of these K2s 
for another ham who ran out of time to finish it.  The second was my own QRP 
K2, which I eventually sold to another ham.  Both of those rigs ran digital 
modes very well, and I enjoyed numerous digital QSOs at QRP (5W or less).  
Seemed pretty easy to set up and interconnect with the interface, or so I 
thought.  Digipan, HRD, and MixW all ran just fine.  The K2s ran well too, at 
5W QRP settings.

Fast-forward several years to the present.  My current K2/100/KAT100 has been a 
faithful workhorse rig for a couple of years.  A few hams on the list know how 
devoted I am to that rig and how superbly its KAT100 tuner and 100W amplifier 
perform with both my antennas. An occasional SSB QSO offers a bit of diversion 
from CW, but CW is still my favorite mode.  

I thought, why not try a little digital QSOing too?  Digipan, HRD, MixW and 
MMTTY are all present on this PC so why not dust them off, and put the 
Rigblaster plus back to work too?  At least that what I hoped anyway.

But so far I've been unable to interconnect things correctly, and my foggy 
memory (even a few written notes) have not helped.  Is there a way to set up a 
K2/100/KAT100 rig for digital operation that any of you folks might recommend?  
With the rear panel 9-pin port on the K2 already connected to a PC COM Port and 
to the KAT100 via a Y-cable, I have my doubts about adding my Rigblaster Plus 
interface. 

Any and all suggestions would be MOST welcome.

Thanks and 73,

Steve Banks
K0PQ
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 related - non-linear audio transformer behavior

2008-09-21 Thread Jim Brown
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:11:22 -0400, Paul Christensen wrote:

>the square-wave impulse response 
>of the transformer becomes less meaningful.

As long as there is impulse noise, the square wave response of the 
line out transformer is definitely relevant! As the folks at 
Elecraft have noted, the primary function of the Line Out is to 
drive data decoders of one sort or another. Those decoders see 
signal plus noise. Any distortion in the transformer is additional 
noise as far as the decoder is concerned. The square wave response 
of the circuit is simply another way of LOOKING at those 
distortion products. 

The analysis of the K3 Line Out that I did back in June using band 
noise as a source of excitation show the same problems as Jack's 
analysis using very different signal sources, but my excitation, 
being broadband, exposes the IM distortion as apparent broadening 
of the filter skirts. Jack measures IM using traditional two-tone 
methods. In other words, we both see the same problems using very 
different methods to study them. 

Those of us working in pro audio learned long ago that broadband 
noise (we use pink noise) is a VERY powerful analysis tool. 

73,

Jim Brown K9YC

Audio Systems Group, Inc. 


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Re: [Elecraft] Ferrite transformer losses, 43-foot vertical and the K3

2008-09-21 Thread Jim Brown
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:25:51 -0500, Sandy wrote:

>When a high VSWR exists with a toroid ferrite balun due to a high inductive 
>or capacitive reactance and the toroid begins to heat, the losses will rise 
>to quite unacceptable losses and can possibly destroy the balun itself, even 
>tough the tuner used appears to have reduced the VSWR on the input side of 
>the circuit to a very low value.

The word "balun" is far too broad and confusing in the context of this 
statement. Dissipation in a common mode choke wound with coax, whether on a 
toroid or only a string of beads (both are so-called "current baluns") is 
UNRELATED TO SWR. It is DIRECTLY related to IMBALANCE in the antenna. Further, 
the higher the choking impedance, the lower the dissipation. 

There appear to be significant gaps in your understanding of baluns and common 
mode chokes. My tutorial includes an extensive discussion of common mode chokes 
wound with coax. http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf  

73,

Jim K9YC




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Re: [Elecraft] Ferrite transformer losses, 43-foot vertical and the K3

2008-09-21 Thread Sandy

Absolutely, Don!

My main message was to watch the baluns for heating.  During a contest or a 
long winded transmission, you can really screw up a nice ferrite balun 
QUICKER than one thinks.


73,

Sandy W5TVW

- Original Message - 
From: "Don Wilhelm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ferrite transformer losses, 43-foot vertical and the 
K3




Sandy,

You are correct that using a balun (either 4:1 or 1:1) is not
necessarily the most efficient solution.  The 'old fashioned' link
coupled tuner will most always be more efficient.

When the feedline input impedance (and that has nothing to do with the
characteristic impedance of the feedline) is close to the output
impedance of the balun, the balun will be just almost as efficient as
the link coupled balanced tuner, but that rarely happens in practice.

Yes, using a balun following an unbalanced transmatch is a compromise.
It lends itself to easy bandswitching and its associated convenience.
If one is searching for the most efficient antenna tuning mechanism,
then either dedicated resonant antennas are required, or one must accept
the inconveniences of changing coils in a simple balanced link coupled
tuner or accept the compromises of an easy bandswitching system.  The
old Johnson Matchbox was an effort to provide bandswitching convenience
with a link coupled balanced tuner, but even it has limited matching
range compared to the simple single-band tuner designs.

Bottom line, one must either accept the compromises dictated by the
conveniences of bandswitching or accept the inconveniences of using the
most efficient tuners that can be constructed.  There is no 'best of all
worlds'.

73,
Don W3FPR

Sandy wrote:

When a high VSWR exists with a toroid ferrite balun due to a high
inductive or capacitive reactance and the toroid begins to heat, the
losses will rise to quite unacceptable losses and can possibly destroy
the balun itself, even tough the tuner used appears to have reduced
the VSWR on the input side of the circuit to a very low value.

Generally a 4:1 or 1:1 transformer type balun should be preferably
used for just a resistance transformation, not where there is a
highly  reactive component on the output side of the balun.  Lots of
people "get away" with this situation, but it isn't a very good idea.
I commonly did this for years with very large ferrite cores and a
vanilla high pass "T" network tuner (like the many MFJ and other "T"
network tuners)

For the last 15 years I have used nothing but the common Parallel type
balanced line link coupled tuner configuration and had extremely good
results with the old fashioned and sometimes very cranky to get setup
right circuit.

"choke" type baluns (the ones that traditionally use a large number of
ferrite beads on a length of coaxial cable) are much less troublesome
than the transformer type.  If your "balun" setup runs cool, then you
probably have hit upon a length of feeder that is "just right" and you
are "OK".  If it is running warm then you are treading on dangerous
ground and things may be getting ready to surprise you one day with a
catastrophic failure, especially when you run the legal limit!

This no matter what the VSWR meter says between the tuner and the
ferrite balun in question.

73,


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Re: [Elecraft] UK Elecraft net report for Sunday 21st September

2008-09-21 Thread Trevor Smithers
>Other "almost Elecraft" topics included power measurement and especially 
>the LP-100 power meters that several of us use.
That sounds interesting - care to elaborate.

73 to all
Trevor  G0KTN
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[Elecraft] K3 AGC is better now

2008-09-21 Thread Don Rasmussen
What did Elecraft do to the radio at the factory Charly? Was it an early K3 
that never had the < 400 serial number hardware upgrade - or something else? 

[Elecraft] K3 AGC is better now
Charles Harpole k4vud at hotmail.com 
Sat Sep 20 23:20:15 EDT 2008 

Previous message: [Elecraft] K3 configuration question 
Next message: [Elecraft] 6 KHz filter and PSK31 

My K3 is back from factory and the AGC now works
 
better at handling pile ups where many callers formerly
 
were reduced to the same audio level.  Now, it is 
 
easier to pick out calls among many callers.  Not
 
absolutely great, but better.
 
Can anyone recommend the best menu setting for
 
max discrimination among many callers at same time?
 
Charly K4VUD


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[Elecraft] what is a TMP cable?

2008-09-21 Thread Charles Harpole

With my radio from the factory, I got a

TMP cable 12" part #E850339.

What is it for and why should I get it?

Thanks.  73


Charles Harpole

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 related - non-linear audio transformer behavior

2008-09-21 Thread Paul Christensen
The usefulness of the square-wave response plots (as you and I have 
conducted) relies primarily on the complexity of the received waveform and 
system bandwidth.  Even in the case of a CW square-wave-like signal, a 
gently sloping rise/decay time (e.g., raised-cosine CW waveform), greatly 
reduces occupied transmitted bandwidth and the square-wave impulse response 
of the transformer becomes less meaningful.


OTOH, if there was to exist some form of data mode in which short rise/fall 
times are required, then a wider, flatter, overall receive bandwidth is 
required.  Presently, I know of no such common data modes for amateur use, 
but this may apply to some commercial and/or military data modulation 
methods.


Regardless of whether this is an issue or non-issue for amateur use, I have 
demonstrated (on the Elecraft mail list through Yahoo) that the problem is 
cleanly solved in even the cheapest datacom transformers through a simple 
termination of the secondary winding.  The peace of mind of knowing that a 
sound card will not be over-driven by a brief spike in transformer overshoot 
is certainly worth cost of a single resistor between the transformer and 
sound card input.


Paul, W9AC



- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Paul Christensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "'Elecraft'" 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 related - non-linear audio transformer behavior



Paul:

I've revised my non-linear transformer page in two respects:
1. Added the plot you requested. (Almost at the bottom of the page)
2. Added square wave ringing data for four transformers, although I am not 
at all convinced that square wave ringing is an appropriate figure of 
merit for a transformer used in a narrowly bandwidth limited 
communications receiver.


The page is:
http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/non-linear_transformer_behavior.htm

Paul Christensen wrote:

Jack:

With regard to the plots under "Comparisons and Conclusions," and also 
under "Frequency Response Compared,"  is it possible to change the source 
Z from 600-ohms to 50-ohms and re-test?


It would be an interesting exercise to see if THD (at ~ 1V RMS) and the 
high-end frequency response of the Bourns transformer changes 
significantly. Tnx!


Paul, W9AC

- Original Message - From: "Jack Smith" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'Elecraft'" 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:02 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 related - non-linear audio transformer behavior


I've spent the last two weeks measuring and analyzing non-linear 
behavior of several audio transformers, focusing on the Tamura TTC-108 
used as isolation transformers in the K3.


My data and analysis is now available at 
http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/non-linear_transformer_behavior.htm



Jack K8ZOA
www.cliftonlaboratories.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Another Possible 2.38 anomaly

2008-09-21 Thread Brett Howard
I think I may have noticed another small bug in 2.38.

If you hold REV and adjust the frequency the release rev the new
frequency sticks in VFO B.  But if you hold rev and adjust the filter
width then release REV that does not get copied into the VFO B area.
The only way to do this is to either switch to B and adjust then
switch back or to use the B SET feature.  Pressing mode while holding
REV does nothing but its not like one can easily do that with one
hand.  Would be a fun one to have "on the list" yet down a ways to be
able to do that some day.  I'd rather have the ability to adjust
filter widths and what not during TX first.

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 5:13 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I now notice that in CW mode, on any band, switching from the 2.7K filter to 
> the 1.8K filter (xfil 2, xfil 3) shows no change in the passband filter 
> graphic (remains at a total width of one bar past the tic marks)? Adjusting 
> the Width control will change the graphic width.  In SSB mode switching 
> between these xtal filters results in a corresponding change (narrowing) to 
> the graphic.  Anyone else notice this?
>
> 73,
> Rodger
> N4NRW
>
> filters
> FM
> 2.7K
> 1.8K
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[Elecraft] Another Possible 2.38 anomaly

2008-09-21 Thread williamsonr
I now notice that in CW mode, on any band, switching from the 2.7K filter to 
the 1.8K filter (xfil 2, xfil 3) shows no change in the passband filter graphic 
(remains at a total width of one bar past the tic marks)? Adjusting the Width 
control will change the graphic width.  In SSB mode switching between these 
xtal filters results in a corresponding change (narrowing) to the graphic.  
Anyone else notice this?

73,
Rodger
N4NRW

filters
FM
2.7K
1.8K
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 related - non-linear audio transformer behavior

2008-09-21 Thread Jack Smith
Indeed, similar harmonic and IMD distortion are created inside the LINE 
IN transformer. The question is their level and importance.


The LINE IN transformer, however, is fed by a 10:1 voltage divider, 604R 
in series with 62R shunted across the transformer primary. This 
arrangement provides a lower drive impedance to the transformer, around 
56 ohms as a matter of fact. (Assumes the LINE IN port is driven by a 
low impedance source, which I believe is the case for the typical sound 
card output.) 56 Ohms is low enough to see significant THD improvement 
over a straight 604 ohm series resistor according to my measurements.


It should be possible to measure harmonics generated by the input 
transformer, perhaps using the monitor function. I'm too far behind on 
other projects to work on it at the moment, however.


Jack


Paul Fletcher wrote:

Jack,

Thanks for the research - very interesting and it looks like a simple fix to
improve the performance of the K3 significantly. You've got me wondering now
though about DATA-A modes. As the K3 uses the same transformer for line in
your work suggests that the transmit performance will be affected by the
sound card output impedance - worth considering at least.

Cheers,
Paul M1PAF
  

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[Elecraft] K2 FOR SALE in Europe

2008-09-21 Thread Eric



Hi,

I did have a lot of fun with my K2, it's  building process has been 
watched by 40k+ hams on my

website www.qsl.netpa3cev and www.qsl.net/pa3cev/KPA100

Having less time for my hobby and a K3 on my desk I don't spent 
enough time with it so after some

hesitation decided to sell it on eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160285161064&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=006

vy 73 Eric PA3CEV

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[Elecraft] K2 QRP DXCC

2008-09-21 Thread Petr Ourednik
Dave,

congrats to Your DXCC achieved using K2. Great job friend!
What's about DXCC using K2 only CW as next project ? :)

Good luck on the air...

73 - Petr, OK1RP


F. Reed wrote:
> 
> Well, I am sure I am not the first one, nor the only one, but today I 
> worked the last station I needed to achieve DXCC QRP with my K2 serial 
> number 4960 (almost 50% on SSB).
> I have been using it on and off since summer of 2006 when WA2DKG built 
> it for me (thanks Jerry!) providing me many hours of pleasure.
> 
> Most QSOs have been confirmed via eQSL, some by LotW.  No award until 
> they are all in, but pretty good for this chunk of the solar cycle,  and 
> further proof (as if any were needed) of the Elecraft mojo.
> 
> What next?  Maybe DXCC with my KX-1, or my K1, or K3?  I cam close to 
> WAS with the KX-1, so that might be the next project.
> 
> Speak up out there; surely there are good stories of other awards and 
> the same ones, from the rest of you and I would enjoy hearing about them.
> 
> 73 de Dave, W5SV
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[Elecraft] K3 AGC is better now

2008-09-21 Thread Barry N1EU
> Can anyone recommend the best menu setting for max discrimination among many 
> callers at same time?

Start with Config menu: AGC SLP= 005 and then experiment with
different values.  The lower the value (down to 0), the louder the
stronger signals will be.  If you go too low, you risk overdriving
your ear drums.  The higher the value (up to 15), the more homogenous
the loudness levels will be, independent of signal strength.

73,
Barry N1EU
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[Elecraft] UK Elecraft net report for Sunday 21st September

2008-09-21 Thread Dave G4AON
Several stations were not available this week, the very pleasant weather 
this weekend being more of an attraction than being indoors! Also some 
were getting ready for travel to Jura for the  MS0SCG week of operating.


Quite an interesting discussion took place over the use of SDR receivers 
in various configurations used with a K3, both via the IF output of the 
K3 and parallel connections. Mike (G0MJW) has an SDR-IQ, myself and 
Andrew (M0GJH) have Perseus receivers.


Other "almost Elecraft" topics included power measurement and especially 
the LP-100 power meters that several of us use.


Stations this week were:

M0GJH, Andrew
G0MJW, Mike
G8EGG, Dave
G4ARI, Tim
G3YHM, Rod
G4NWJ, Jim

Thanks for the report from France by F5VJC (Deni).

73 until next week!
Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80, Acom 1000, dipole antenna


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[Elecraft] Two K3's on Jura (EU008) next week

2008-09-21 Thread Paul Fletcher

A bunch of us are of the the Isle of Jura next week (operating Monday -
Sunday inclusive) to activate the island. Two K3's will be there so listen
out for us under the call MS0SCG and maybe portable also.

(plug complete)


73 Paul
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