Re: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio 2

2008-10-19 Thread Rick Tavan N6XI
All contesters use logging programs, Charles, regardless of the type of
radio they are using. Contesting without a logging program is like living
without indoor plumbing. You can do it but in the first world you don't. No
radio on the planet changes this.

/Rick

On 10/19/08, Charles Harpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> That's my point, Rick.  When one wants to
>
> really "get with it" for fast op, you and many
>
> others use computer control.
>
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RE: [Elecraft] RE: K3 is really a computer radio 3

2008-10-19 Thread Charles Harpole

Thanks for ur advice which I already took.

I got a FT-9000d which has so many knobs and

switches that it may set the all time record.

For operating ease, the Yaesu is far superior and

already contains most of the features on the 

Elecrafters wish lists.  

I just wanted to give the K3 a thorough chance

to show its stuff and was frustrated at the 

difficulty of operation.

I was also able to switch the same antenna between

the 9000d and the K3.  In all cases the performance

on 80 and 160 was the same with noise and vy weak

sigs.  Considering the vast price difference, that makes

the K3 the bargain of the decade, even if u add the

cost of a computer to control it.  73



Charles Harpole

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> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:48:18 -0700
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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> Subject: [Elecraft] RE: K3 is really a computer radio
>
>>Oh, for band stacking registers and band buttons.
>
> My advice:
> Buy a different radio.
> Elecraft can't please EVERYONE!
>
> VE7XF
>
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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for October 19th & 20th, 2008

2008-10-19 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   It was pleasant to have two good bands this evening.  Neither of them was 
very noisy and copy was pretty good.  QRN was low and QSB was almost totally 
absent.  It does sound like autumn is well underway across the northern tier of 
states except for Alaska.  They seem to be a season ahead of us already with 
snow and colder temperatures.  I have been told the almanac predicts a colder 
winter than normal.  I'll just keep banging away on my woodpile.  I plan to 
have an 'emergency' stack right next to the front door for when the snow gets 
really deep.  Pushing a wheelbarrow through the snow and slush gets to be work 
so I will plan to lazy by preparing.  Ant or grasshopper?
   There were some very weak callers on twenty meters but when I tried to dig 
them out they disappeared.  I did get a BK on 40 meters but never could get a 
response when I called.  Oh well, I guess next week we can try once again.  
Dale mentioned going fishing today.  His son caught his first fish.  Sounds 
like a fun time for them both.  He tried to trade me a cow for firewood though. 
 I think I would rather give him the firewood to keep the cow!  I had plenty of 
time tending to both ends of cows in Wisconsin.  And plenty of time in the 
middle too!  When the power went out we got to milk them by hand.  Nothing like 
going to school after having milked twenty cows by hand.  My fingers were numb 
and my arms were worn out.  Luckily they rigged the tractor to run the 
compressor to feed the lines to run the milkers so we did not get to do that 
again.  But it does make a good story to tell.

On to the lists =>

   On 1405.5 kHz at 2300z:
W3TMZ - Jack - FL - K3 - 1169
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820QNI #50!!!
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
K7TV - Erik - AZ - K3 - 1837
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866* QNI #155 *
KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798
K6DGW - Fred - CA - K3 - 642   (SN 704?)
W0JFR - John - CO - K3 - 994

   On 7045 kHz at 0200z:
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
W1TF - Ty - GA - K3 - 696
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
K6DGW - Fred - CA - K3 - 642
K9ZTV - Kent - MO - K3 - 21
K9DMV - Joe - IL - K2 - 5628
W0JFR - John - CO - K3 - 994   QNI #60!!!
WC7S - Dale - WY - K2 - 4360
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686
W1TF - Ty - GA - K3 - 696
NY6G - Stan - CA - Knwd
W4SEC - Pete - FL - K2 - 5813
WA7BOC - Roger - WA - K3 - 75

   If there are any errors please email me with the corrections.  Thank you for 
all the fun times over the years.  5287 QNI from 588 individuals.  No, I cannot 
remember all your names; that is why I write them down ;)  But the usual 
suspects do pop in and out of my memory on a random basis.  Might have 
something to do with age related dementia.  Or maybe I had too good of a time 
cutting wood this morning ;)  Endorphins do have a way of calming one down and 
soothing the aches and pains.  All this physical activity is doing wonders for 
me.  However, I will need new pants because these are not fitting as well.  Or 
I could rig them for suspenders and not worry about it.  
   Until next week stay well,
  73,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)

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[Elecraft] RE: K3 is really a computer radio

2008-10-19 Thread Ralph Parker
>Oh, for band stacking registers and band buttons.

My advice:
Buy a different radio.
Elecraft can't please EVERYONE!

VE7XF

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio 2

2008-10-19 Thread Charles Harpole

That's my point, Rick.  When one wants to

really "get with it" for fast op, you and many

others use computer control.

The repeated reflector statements that 

list the "wish it had" seem almost as long as

"what it has" and that tells u something.


Charles Harpole



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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:06:44 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio

I don't have any of the problems Charles mentions. The K3 front panel is very 
well designed, especially given its compact size. I change bands, modes and 
frequencies frequently. Although I have little patience for memorization, I 
find it very easy to remember my convention for using memory recall to go to 
80m with Memory 8, 40m with Memory 4, etc. Although I have played around with 
Ham Radio Deluxe, a very nice program, I don't use it in day to day DXing, rag 
chewing, contesting or band searching. The K3 is a joy to use "as is" for every 
type of operating I do. I do use a logging program for contesting, of course, 
and it displays K3 frequency and mode. It can also change them. I don't use 
that capability for routine band/mode changes, preferring the front panel of 
the K3. I do use "point and shoot" to capture multipliers and that sometimes 
commands a band change. I may add a panadaptor some day.

/Rick N6XI


On 10/18/08, Charles Harpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

After two solid days of using the K3 to chase

DX, changing bands and modes often,

I conclude that the K3 should be mated

with computer control for real flexibility in

this application of use.  The front panel is

mainly for DXpeditions that stay on one

freq/mode for long periods.  Otherwise,

I get a new band, or two, when I want to

activate the VOX, as a typical example of

the careful touch needed to get either

one small push or a longer push...

and the mistaken change also cancels

out my selection of Split when I finally get

back to the desired band.  More buttons to

CAREFULLY push.

And without using the complex and easily

forgotten scheme of programming the

memories as band/mode change agents,

going from CW band to phone means pushing

the excursion speed button (Coarse, Fine, etc.),

spinning the tuning knob frantically and changing

the mode button with a slight push, not a heavy one.

Yes, Elecrafters, I know there is a well-known

work-around, but I have now concluded that the K3

front panel is vy difficult and that complete computer

control is the answer, at least for DX chasers and

those who make many band/mode changes in a

short period of time.

I suggest Elecraft market a computer program for

the K3 asap, or at least make recommendations of

those that seem best.  But then, I ask myself, do I

want a FLEX substitute?   73,


Charles Harpole

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio

2008-10-19 Thread Charles Harpole

As a proud appliance operator, I want 

ease of use and punching in 1421400 plus

mode and split and then entering the B

split freq directly is

just too much to ask of little me.

Sure, u can use the rig from the 

existing front panel, but my point, 

sweat or no sweat, is that the thing

is hard to use that way.

Oh, for band stacking registers and

band buttons.


Charles Harpole


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:31:02 -0400
CC:





Charles must have been pretty tired at 1:17 AM EDT.  I believe he lives in 
Texas.  Perhaps perspiration from a long neck trickled into his eyes and made 
vision difficult, and he forgot about direct frequency entry.
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Re: [Elecraft] Text decode with straight key

2008-10-19 Thread Thom LaCosta

At 01:02 PM 10/19/08, Julian, G4ILO wrote:


My K3 does not decode CW that I send with a straight key. It does if I use a
paddle. I presume that is by design, but if so, why?


Perhaps not to embarrass those of us with less than machine perfect fists?

As I recall it also does not remember what is sent via a straight key.

73
Thom k3hrn

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[Elecraft] OT -- FS: MFJ-949E Deluxe Versa Tuner II

2008-10-19 Thread David Wilburn

MFJ-949E Deluxe Versa Tuner II

Tuner is in great shape, works well. Has been the back up since all 
rigs now have auto tuner's. Will be picking up an amp, so I have to 
move up in the tuner department, so this one must go. It goes for 
$169.95 new, plus tax and shipping.


This one can be yours for $100 plus shipping. I will pay for packaging.
--

David Wilburn
NM4M
K2/100 - 5982
K3/100 - 766



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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K3 Hi Jacked thread...

2008-10-19 Thread Ken K3IU

Good afternoon, Tom:

You haven't said, but are you using a "regular" 9 pin serial cable or a 
USB-to-serial connection?
If you have the capability, use a "regular" serial cable between the 
computer and the K3.


If you have not done so, I suggest that you re-download from the 
internet both the K3 Utility program and the firmware elements. After 
you download the firmware, check on your computer to see that you have 
successfully downloaded all the elements. Check the help files in the K3 
Utility program for guidance in troubleshooting.


When ready to upload the new firmware to the K3, get out of Advanced 
Mode (View menu) and click on the "Send All Firmware to K3" button.


If you have tried all of these things and still have no luck, then I 
suggest you send your problem to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


73,
Ken K3IU

TMorton wrote:

Gentlemen,
Pse read carefully. My original thread stated that the FACTORY built 
K3 was returned so that the FACTORY could install the KRX-3...pips or 
not, doesn't matterdoes the factory not check out the rig before 
pushing them out the door?
I have done more troubleshooting. I still have the HI RFI msg even 
though there is no RF present in the shack...even turned off this 
computer and nothing was emittingI cranked up the K3 Utility, 
1.1.6.3 and see where the K3 was showing the older MCU 02.24; FPF 
00.02 DSP 00.00 and DSP2 NA. While I was able to  reload 2.46 the FPF 
repeatedly failed...I would get:

FPF firmware failed at load address x.
FPF program load failed.
Neither DSP1 or DSP2 would load or verify.
I am stumped as to where to go next.
Ideas pse?
73
Tom
CX7TT
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[Elecraft] Dead K3 Hi Jacked thread...

2008-10-19 Thread TMorton

Gentlemen,
Pse read carefully. My original thread stated that the FACTORY built K3 
was returned so that the FACTORY could install the KRX-3...pips or not, 
doesn't matterdoes the factory not check out the rig before pushing 
them out the door?
I have done more troubleshooting. I still have the HI RFI msg even 
though there is no RF present in the shack...even turned off this 
computer and nothing was emittingI cranked up the K3 Utility, 
1.1.6.3 and see where the K3 was showing the older MCU 02.24; FPF 00.02 
DSP 00.00 and DSP2 NA. While I was able to  reload 2.46 the FPF 
repeatedly failed...I would get:

FPF firmware failed at load address x.
FPF program load failed.
Neither DSP1 or DSP2 would load or verify.
I am stumped as to where to go next.
Ideas pse?
73
Tom
CX7TT
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RE: [Elecraft] N1MM and K3 interface ?

2008-10-19 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A


Hi Ed,

Yes I know. I've had solutions like that before I got myself a Winkey
because of the stuttery CW from N1MM. I've keyed and PTT'ed my FT1K
through parallel and serial ports, depending on computer available hi.
But with slower computers in a network and a couple of thousands qso's
during the contest the bad CW of N1MM became annoying.

The winkey solution works great, also with old computers.
Used it today on the WAG contest.

73
Arie PA3A


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Ed K1EP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Verzonden: zondag 19 oktober 2008 20:49
Aan: Arie Kleingeld PA3A; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Onderwerp: RE: [Elecraft] N1MM and K3 interface ?


At 10/19/2008 02:44 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
>My settings with N1MM:
>
>DTR and RTS both to Always on.
DTR and/or RTS key the radio.  Set them to OFF if you are not using 
them for PTT or CW.



>RS 232 speed etc is set to  38400 - N - 8
>- 1
>
>CW Keying is done by the Winkey, and PTT is done by the Winkey aswell.
>The Winkey PTT is connected to the PTT-in of the K3. CW paddle (the 
>panic solution :-)) is connected to the Winkey.
>
>73
>Arie PA3A
>
>

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RE: [Elecraft] N1MM and K3 interface ?

2008-10-19 Thread Ed K1EP

At 10/19/2008 02:44 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:

My settings with N1MM:

DTR and RTS both to Always on.
DTR and/or RTS key the radio.  Set them to OFF if you are not using 
them for PTT or CW.





RS 232 speed etc is set to  38400 - N - 8
- 1

CW Keying is done by the Winkey, and PTT is done by the Winkey aswell.
The Winkey PTT is connected to the PTT-in of the K3.
CW paddle (the panic solution :-)) is connected to the Winkey.

73
Arie PA3A


===


Jack it is "sort of simple"... I was playing with N1MM's program only a
few minutes ago... These are the settings I use with my K3, the serial
cable is a proper 9 way RS232 cable courtesy of having a multi-serial
board in my PC.

K3 set for PTT - KEY 

N1MM set for:
DTR (pin 4) = CW
RTS (pin 7) = Always Off
Radio/VFO Nr 1

Speed 19200, Parity N, Databits 8, Stop Bits 2.
NootSwitch (pin 6) = None
CW/PTT Port Addr = 3E8

I also use Winkey, but these settings work for me to key the K3 via the
serial port.

73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80


I just tried to interface N1MM software with my K3 using the Elecraft
USB to RS-232 cable. Problrm is that as the program comes up the PTT
line is asserted. I tried monkeying with the DTR and RTS settings
resulting that the transceiver continued to be in the transmit mode. I
could only release rig by shutting down N1MM software.

Now this must be simple! HELP !
73,
Jack, W3TMZ

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RE: [Elecraft] N1MM and K3 interface ?

2008-10-19 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
My settings with N1MM:

DTR and RTS both to Always on. RS 232 speed etc is set to  38400 - N - 8
- 1

CW Keying is done by the Winkey, and PTT is done by the Winkey aswell.
The Winkey PTT is connected to the PTT-in of the K3.
CW paddle (the panic solution :-)) is connected to the Winkey.

73
Arie PA3A


===


Jack it is "sort of simple"... I was playing with N1MM's program only a 
few minutes ago... These are the settings I use with my K3, the serial 
cable is a proper 9 way RS232 cable courtesy of having a multi-serial 
board in my PC.

K3 set for PTT - KEY 

N1MM set for:
DTR (pin 4) = CW
RTS (pin 7) = Always Off
Radio/VFO Nr 1

Speed 19200, Parity N, Databits 8, Stop Bits 2.
NootSwitch (pin 6) = None
CW/PTT Port Addr = 3E8

I also use Winkey, but these settings work for me to key the K3 via the 
serial port.

73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80


I just tried to interface N1MM software with my K3 using the Elecraft
USB to RS-232 cable. Problrm is that as the program comes up the PTT
line is asserted. I tried monkeying with the DTR and RTS settings
resulting that the transceiver continued to be in the transmit mode. I
could only release rig by shutting down N1MM software.

Now this must be simple! HELP !
73,
Jack, W3TMZ

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[Elecraft] ELECRAFT HEIL PROSET SOLD

2008-10-19 Thread Rodger Stuart

ELECRAFT New HEIL Proset K2/K3 Headset SOLD.

THANKS,
K6JET, RODGER


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[Elecraft] ELECRAFT HEXKEY SOLD

2008-10-19 Thread Rodger Stuart

ELECRAFT HEXKEY CW PADDLE SOLD.

THANKS
K6JET, RODGER


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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and K3 interface ?

2008-10-19 Thread Dave G4AON
Jack it is "sort of simple"... I was playing with N1MM's program only a 
few minutes ago... These are the settings I use with my K3, the serial 
cable is a proper 9 way RS232 cable courtesy of having a multi-serial 
board in my PC.


K3 set for PTT - KEY 

N1MM set for:
DTR (pin 4) = CW
RTS (pin 7) = Always Off
Radio/VFO Nr 1

Speed 19200, Parity N, Databits 8, Stop Bits 2.
NootSwitch (pin 6) = None
CW/PTT Port Addr = 3E8

I also use Winkey, but these settings work for me to key the K3 via the 
serial port.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80


I just tried to interface N1MM software with my K3 using the Elecraft
USB to RS-232 cable. Problrm is that as the program comes up the PTT
line is asserted. I tried monkeying with the DTR and RTS settings
resulting that the transceiver continued to be in the transmit mode. I
could only release rig by shutting down N1MM software.

Now this must be simple! HELP !
73,
Jack, W3TMZ
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[Elecraft] N1MM and K3 interface ?

2008-10-19 Thread Jack Colson
I just tried to interface N1MM software with my K3 using the Elecraft 
USB to RS-232 cable. Problrm is that as the program comes up the PTT 
line is asserted.  I tried monkeying with the DTR and RTS settings 
resulting that the transceiver continued to be in the transmit mode.  I 
could only release rig by shutting down N1MM software.


Now this must be simple!  HELP !
73,
Jack, W3TMZ 


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[Elecraft] K3:No internal speaker

2008-10-19 Thread OE5CSP-Chris

Elecrafters,

I  plugged an external speaker into the rear panel and after disconnecting
it, the internal speaker did not work any more.If I set SPKR +PH  to YES I
can hear noise again.If I set it to NO  the audio through the internal
speaker is gone again!A software bug?
Can you help?


vy73 Chris-OE5CSP
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[Elecraft] Text decode with straight key

2008-10-19 Thread Julian, G4ILO

My K3 does not decode CW that I send with a straight key. It does if I use a
paddle. I presume that is by design, but if so, why?

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[Elecraft] My K2 Station For Sale or trade..

2008-10-19 Thread Kalkwarf Bob
Hi All, Would trade for a troublesome K3 (if there is such a rig).  I  
would like to sell it all at once for $1500 or Best Offer.
I have the QRP lid with KAT2 installed for easy QRP/QRO swaps.  Meets  
or exceeds full specs.


K2 HF Transceiver Serial 4011
KSB2 K2 SSB Option
K160RX K2 160M / 2nd RX Antenna Option
KNB2 K2 Noise Blanker
KAF2 K2 Audio filter and Real Time Clock
KAT2 K2 20W Internal Auto Tuner
KIO2 K2 AUX I/O RS-232 Interface
ETS2 Standard Tilt Stand for the EC2
FDIMP Finger Dimple for K1/K2
MH2 Hand Mic. for K2/K3
KAT100-1 150W ATU for the K2 and K2/100
KPA100 K2/100 Internal Integration Kit

Kenwood HM-43S
Begali Signature Paddle
Diamond SX-100 swr/wattmeter
RF Concepts 100watt Dry Dummy load

Bob W7WO

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RE: [Elecraft] Dead K3

2008-10-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Wow, I'm very sorry to hear that Gentlemen. I trust you've sent messages to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Dave, your experience with the K3 PCB has been addressed. A shipment of
boards with protrusions on the sides of the PCB in the wrong places was
received from (I understand) a new vendor. Obviously, that was missed when
the parts were received. 

Check Errata B-4 to the KRX3 Assembly manual:

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KRX3_Errata_Rev_B-4.pdf

It instructs  builders to *carefully* file down the nubs that strike the
sides of the enclosure so the pcb fits properly. 

Also, with reference to VFO B encoder issues, it's been discovered that a
small number of K3s can develop a short between the pins on the back of the
encoder and the main DSP board. The short is caused because, when plugging
the front panel assembly onto the main chassis, the force required to engage
the multipin connector J51 on the DSP board near the encoder can be enough
to flex the board forward to it strikes the pins on the little encoder
board. 

The "fix" is also discussed in the above errata since Elecraft wants
everyone who installs the KRX3 to implement it if it wasn't done during the
initial build. It's in two parts. First, the pins behind the connector on
the back of the little pc board attached to the encoder are trimmed flush to
the board (there's a photo in the errata). That fixes the issue 99.9% of the
time since the main DSP board has to flex much farther to touch the encoder
with the pins trimmed. Secondly, Wayne added a nylon standoff to the design.
It mounts on the main DSP board near that connector and rests against the
front panel board so the DSP board cannot flex toward the encoder. An option
to the standoff is to add a bit of foam tape (like the white, double-sticky
Scotch "mounting" tape used for pictures, etc.) that is a few mm thick over
those pins. Leave the protective covering over one side and stick it onto
the pcb over the trimmed pins. 

If you trim the pins and add a bit of insulation on the back of the encoder
pcb, the standoff should not be needed. Wayne included it to be absolutely
sure the problem was handled. If you'd like to install the nylon standoff,
I'm sure Elecraft will provide the parts if you drop a note to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

In a recent message, "Sanger, Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>David, I have the KRX3 sitting in a box ... and your experience 
>confirms my worst fears ... I am really reluctant to tackle the 
>installation ... especially, as you point out, I really don't have any 
>specific need for the subreceiver; just a neurotic need to fully load 
>the box!

Likewise, I only bought the KRX3 so I had a complete system, Joe. In 
hindsight, I wish I hadn't.  The KRX3 did not go together well. There 
were some protrusions on the KRX3 that did not correspond to the holes 
in the metalwork. They caused the metalwork to distort.  A manufacturing 
or design fault I presume.

73 de David G4DMP
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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K3

2008-10-19 Thread David Pratt
I had considered either filing them off or drilling new holes in the 
metalwork.  However, I'm glad I didn't as my K3/KRX3 was returned to 
Elecraft under warranty and I thought that making any changes might have 
invalidated the warranty.


73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Vic K2VCO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes

David Pratt wrote:

The KRX3 did not go together well. There  were some protrusions on 
the KRX3 that did not correspond to the holes  in the metalwork. They 
caused the metalwork to distort.  A manufacturing  or design fault I 
presume.


Someone mentioned this recently, and Eric's response was that they had 
switched PCB suppliers and there was a issue that boards had 'pips' in 
the wrong places.


He advised filing these off, as there are enough in the correct 
locations to hold the board in place. It's important that the metal 
cover and shield box make good contact, so if you have one of these 
boards it's a good idea to do this.


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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K3

2008-10-19 Thread Vic K2VCO

David Pratt wrote:

The KRX3 did not go together well. There 
were some protrusions on the KRX3 that did not correspond to the holes 
in the metalwork. They caused the metalwork to distort.  A manufacturing 
or design fault I presume.


Someone mentioned this recently, and Eric's response was that they had 
switched PCB suppliers and there was a issue that boards had 'pips' in 
the wrong places.


He advised filing these off, as there are enough in the correct 
locations to hold the board in place. It's important that the metal 
cover and shield box make good contact, so if you have one of these 
boards it's a good idea to do this.

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[Elecraft] Dead K3-more info

2008-10-19 Thread TMorton

Hello again,
K3 #250 here. I started up the utility 1.1.6.3 and the prg showed the 
following: MCU 02.24; FPF 00.02; DSP1 00.00 and DSP2 NA.
I downloaded 2.46 and tried to upload the firmware. I  had to do a 
forced download and when it got to FPF, it failed as did the DSP 1 and 
2. The Activity log shows:

Sending firmware file hppf0002.hix to FPF
Send FPF firmware failed at load address x
FPF progam load failed.

K3 still has no sound nor signals and HI RFI still in B window...
Help...
Tom Morton
CX7TT
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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K3

2008-10-19 Thread David Pratt

In a recent message, "Sanger, Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes

David, I have the KRX3 sitting in a box ... and your experience confirms
my worst fears ... I am really reluctant to tackle the installation ...
especially, as you point out, I really don't have any specific need for
the subreceiver; just a neurotic need to fully load the box!


Likewise, I only bought the KRX3 so I had a complete system, Joe. In 
hindsight, I wish I hadn't.  The KRX3 did not go together well. There 
were some protrusions on the KRX3 that did not correspond to the holes 
in the metalwork. They caused the metalwork to distort.  A manufacturing 
or design fault I presume.


73 de David G4DMP
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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K3

2008-10-19 Thread David Pratt
You have my sympathy, Tom.  I had a perfectly working K3 until I 
installed the KRX3.  After I installed the KRX3, screwed everything back 
together again and returned it to the shack to plug it in, I found all 
sorts of error messages.  As Elecraft were unable to resolve the problem 
by e-mail I was asked to return it to Aptos for attention.  That was two 
months ago. Not only have I been without my K3 for two months but, it 
cost me a small fortune to return it. Also, being outside the USA I will 
be expected to pay for return shipping.


Understandably, I wish I had not bothered to get a KRX3 and will 
certainly NOT be recommending anyone else get one unless they have a 
specific reason for a sub receiver.


73

David G4DMP

In a recent message, TMorton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes

Hola,
I received my factory built K3/100 #250 in March. I returned it to 
Aptos in June IOT have sub rcvr installed, etc. Recently returned and 
after setting it up, I turned it on to see 14000.00 and HI RFI in the 
sub rcvr window.  There is no sound whatsoever from the rig The B knob 
is frozen in that turning it does nothing. Selecting Menu or Config 
gives me blank in Upper window...

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio

2008-10-19 Thread Monty Shultes
Charles must have been pretty tired at 1:17 AM EDT.  I believe he lives in 
Texas.  Perhaps perspiration from a long neck trickled into his eyes and made 
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio

2008-10-19 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A

Charles,


I also find that the way the front panel operates could be improved. But
when I purchased the K3 , I knew about all double functions in advance
(having a K2). Although I have more than a few flying hours on the K3, I
still have to think twice before I change band or mode. The rest gives
me no problem. 
No reason to sell the K3 or to control it by computer for me during
normal operation. When in contest, I use N1MM logger as control program.
Works just fine.

73
Arie PA3A

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio

2008-10-19 Thread Rick Tavan N6XI
I don't have any of the problems Charles mentions. The K3 front panel is
very well designed, especially given its compact size. I change bands, modes
and frequencies frequently. Although I have little patience for
memorization, I find it very easy to remember my convention for using memory
recall to go to 80m with Memory 8, 40m with Memory 4, etc. Although I have
played around with Ham Radio Deluxe, a very nice program, I don't use it in
day to day DXing, rag chewing, contesting or band searching. The K3 is a joy
to use "as is" for every type of operating I do. I do use a logging program
for contesting, of course, and it displays K3 frequency and mode. It can
also change them. I don't use that capability for routine band/mode changes,
preferring the front panel of the K3. I do use "point and shoot" to capture
multipliers and that sometimes commands a band change. I may add a
panadaptor some day.

/Rick N6XI

On 10/18/08, Charles Harpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> After two solid days of using the K3 to chase
>
> DX, changing bands and modes often,
>
> I conclude that the K3 should be mated
>
> with computer control for real flexibility in
>
> this application of use.  The front panel is
>
> mainly for DXpeditions that stay on one
>
> freq/mode for long periods.  Otherwise,
>
> I get a new band, or two, when I want to
>
> activate the VOX, as a typical example of
>
> the careful touch needed to get either
>
> one small push or a longer push...
>
> and the mistaken change also cancels
>
> out my selection of Split when I finally get
>
> back to the desired band.  More buttons to
>
> CAREFULLY push.
>
> And without using the complex and easily
>
> forgotten scheme of programming the
>
> memories as band/mode change agents,
>
> going from CW band to phone means pushing
>
> the excursion speed button (Coarse, Fine, etc.),
>
> spinning the tuning knob frantically and changing
>
> the mode button with a slight push, not a heavy one.
>
> Yes, Elecrafters, I know there is a well-known
>
> work-around, but I have now concluded that the K3
>
> front panel is vy difficult and that complete computer
>
> control is the answer, at least for DX chasers and
>
> those who make many band/mode changes in a
>
> short period of time.
>
> I suggest Elecraft market a computer program for
>
> the K3 asap, or at least make recommendations of
>
> those that seem best.  But then, I ask myself, do I
>
> want a FLEX substitute?   73,
>
>
> Charles Harpole
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>
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[Elecraft] Dead K3

2008-10-19 Thread TMorton

Hola,
I received my factory built K3/100 #250 in March. I returned it to Aptos 
in June IOT have sub rcvr installed, etc. Recently returned and after 
setting it up, I turned it on to see 14000.00 and HI RFI in the sub rcvr 
window.  There is no sound whatsoever from the rig The B knob is frozen 
in that turning it does nothing. Selecting Menu or Config gives me blank 
in Upper window...
No bueno for contesting or dxing...anybody got any ideas? OH, once I was 
able to get in the freq window (Upper) Mode E 000200 and once saw uC 02.24

Help, pse..
73
Tom
CX7TT
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio

2008-10-19 Thread Dave G4AON
Charles I don't have any problem driving my K3 in either contests or 
just plain ragchewing... 3rd party software is not an Elecraft issue.


One of the best value contest programs is N1MM's Logger, it integrates 
nicely to the K3 and will directly key it via the serial port with no 
extra hardware or cables needed... Although it might key more smoothly 
slow PCs if you use K1EL's "Winkey". It picks DX Cluster spots 
displaying them on a "tuning scale", you click on the station you want 
to work, hit another key to call and another key to send a report. Press 
yet another key to log the QSO. Other than shooting fish in a barrel it 
doesn't come any easier.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80

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[Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio]

2008-10-19 Thread hb9ari

not sure it was the correct "Reply" nor "Sender" addresses...
--- Begin Message ---

Rob,

I agree with you.

I use also a FT857  (no D model) and i must say that i prefer  the 
controls/buttons  configuration
of my K3. I must admit that the front panel size is not the same for 
these 2 TRX!
I will just say that i prefer the syntax of the 857 menus with more 
"explicit" text as the K3.
For a non English speaking OM, some abbreviations are not easy to 
understand and the Owner's Manual
is indispensable (i speak for me...). Fortunately, for "current" use, 
MENU/CONFIG access is not necessary in my case.


But for front panel controls,  i find  the K3 very well designed. My 
most used switches/buttons are the main VFO,
AF gain (i just have preferred to have it under the RF gain but it's a 
little "detail"), SHIFT/WIDTH filter ( i greatly appreciate
the "automatic" selection between 2.8, 1.8, 0.4 and 0.25 kHz filters  
during a WIDTH modification) and BAND switch.
I also use often the ANT (for switching between 2 antennas) and ATU TUNE 
(one of my antenna is externally

tuned and the internal tuner is used for the other).
As i mostly work with digital modes (in conjunction with VOX mode),
i appreciate the ease of switching between SWR/RF meter ("normal" use) 
and CMP(not used for me)/
ALC to verify if all is OK between PSK and JT65 (very) different digital 
modes.PWR is also often used to adjust output power

according mode/conditions.

To close my bandwidth consuming message, i can say that i'm very happy 
with Elecraft switches/controls design, hardware and firmware.


73 QRO fr Rudolf, HB9ARI
(65 "turns at PA", ham since 1970)



Rob May wrote:

I don't find any difficulty discerning between "push" and "push and hold", 
that's been a feature of many consumer electronics for years.  After 2 months with the K3 I'm still 
not familiar with all the features, menus and buttons, because I'm having more fun on the radio 
than I've had in years.  The radio is just a joy to use.  I don't find that switching modes or 
bands is a problem.  Sometimes I have to fish around for a setting in the menus or look at the 
manual, but it's not as difficult as my FT-857D!  As for a computer control program try Ham Radio 
Deluxe, the developer, Simon Brown, owns a K3 and HRD does a fine job.  No need for Elecraft to 
reinvent the wheel.
Rob
NV5E


  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 05:17:28 +
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio


After two solid days of using the K3 to chase

DX, changing bands and modes often,

I conclude that the K3 should be mated

with computer control for real flexibility in

this application of use. The front panel is

mainly for DXpeditions that stay on one

freq/mode for long periods. Otherwise,

I get a new band, or two, when I want to

activate the VOX, as a typical example of

the careful touch needed to get either

one small push or a longer push...

and the mistaken change also cancels

out my selection of Split when I finally get

back to the desired band. More buttons to

CAREFULLY push.

And without using the complex and easily

forgotten scheme of programming the

memories as band/mode change agents,

going from CW band to phone means pushing

the excursion speed button (Coarse, Fine, etc.),

spinning the tuning knob frantically and changing

the mode button with a slight push, not a heavy one.

Yes, Elecrafters, I know there is a well-known

work-around, but I have now concluded that the K3

front panel is vy difficult and that complete computer

control is the answer, at least for DX chasers and

those who make many band/mode changes in a

short period of time.

I suggest Elecraft market a computer program for

the K3 asap, or at least make recommendations of

those that seem best. But then, I ask myself, do I

want a FLEX substitute? 73,


Charles Harpole

[EMAIL PROTECTED]





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[Elecraft] UK Elecraft net report for Sunday 19th October

2008-10-19 Thread Dave G4AON
Another weekend with a lot of QRM which thankfully eventually reduced. 
Linear amplifiers and decent antennas were once again necessary.


Topics included:

Working VK9DWX
Repair problems associated with returning a complete K3 to the USA for 
repair.

Fitting the 2nd receiver and routing of cables for it.
6m pre-amps.
Software to assist in contests.

Stations were:

M0BNZ, Derek
G0MJW, Mike
G0VGS, Ian
G4DMP, David
M1KAZ, Andrew
G3YHM, Rod
GB4SBS (M0XDF operating), Dave
PA0NCV, Nick

73 until next week!
Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80, Acom 1000, dipole antenna
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Re: Re [Elecraft] K3 VFO tracking

2008-10-19 Thread Barry N1EU



Norm Greenaway wrote:
> 
> However on 20 meters  VFO B tracks VFO A unless in split operation
> then I can have 2 different freqs but if I move A  B. moves the
> corresponding amount.
> 
> Any ideas or settings I need to set to Have them Independent like the
> others
> 
You might have linked vfo's on 20M.  Try a push/hold on the SUB button until
"unlink" appears.

73,
Barry N1EU

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 trouble on 160M

2008-10-19 Thread NZ0T

I do briefly see a high current message - forgot to mention tha.

Don Wilhelm-4 wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Since it misbehaves with the dummy load, you will most likely find the 
> problem in the base K2 160 meter Low Pass Filter.
> I am surprised that you do not also see Hi Curr messages.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> NZ0T wrote:
>> Thanks Don,
>>
>> The rig behaves the same into the dummy load in all configurations with
>> or
>> without the KAT100 in line, with or without the mike or paddles
>> connected,
>> with or without attached and I even tried a different coax jumper.  160
>> is
>> the only band it occurs on.  What is confounding me is that it workrd
>> fine
>> at home but not here with the exact same configuration.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don Wilhelm-4 wrote:
>>   
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> What does that K2 do when working into a dummy load?  If it still fails, 
>>> the problem is definitely with the K2.  If it behaves, then you need to 
>>> look at your antenna system - you may be better off with a 1:1 choke 
>>> balun than your 4-1 balun.  I really don't know why hams persist in 
>>> using a 4-1 balun when driving ladder wire feeders - the 450 ohms is 
>>> only the characteristic impedance of the line and that says nothing 
>>> about the feedpoint impedance - the ladder line acts as a transmission 
>>> line transformer.  Measure the feedpoint impedance of the 450 ohm line 
>>> with an antenna analyzer (operate it on batteries) where you connect the 
>>> balun.  If the impedance is high, then use the 4-1 balun, but if it is 
>>> low a 1-1 choke balun will be a better choice.  Which balun is better 
>>> depends on the electrical length of your feedline.
>>>
>>> The K2 can behave differently in the presence of RF-in-the-shack than 
>>> your 706, so that is not a fair comparison.  Look at what you have 
>>> connected to the K2 and ask what is different - the routing of the 
>>> paddle cable?  How is the power supply cable routed? Do you have a 
>>> microphone connected?  Have you grounded the microphone jack shell on 
>>> that K2?
>>>
>>> If you have a K2 problem, ask again with details of the failure with a 
>>> dummy load.  Get it working with a dummy load before adding the extra 
>>> element of the antenna into the problem.  All we can say right now is 
>>> that your problem is either with the antenna, power supply, any cable 
>>> attached to the K2 or the K3 itself.  Which one is pure guesswork until 
>>> you reduce the number of variables.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> NZ0T wrote:
>>> 
 Now that I have my K3 at home I moved my K2/100/KAT100 to our lake
 cabin. 
 Last weekend it started to shut down on 160 only when transmitting over
 about 70 watts.  All other bands are fine, the antenna (160M dipole fed
 with
 ladder line thru 4-1 balun and about 6' of coax into the cabin) is fine
 and
 the ground  seems fine.  It was shutting down the MFJ 4125 switching
 power
 supply so thinking maybe RF was getting into the supply I took the rig
 home
 and it worked just fine there.  Brought it back this weekend with an
 Astron
 linear supply and while that PS is not shutting down the rig still
 wants
 to. 
 I have used this same setup before here with no problems and this
 started
 happening suddenly last weekend.  I tried the rig without the KAT100
 thru
 a
 manual tuner and it still wants to shut down.  My Icom 706 works fine
 on
 160
 with the same configuration.
 Ideas?

 73,

 Bill NZ0T
   
   
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Re: Re[Elecraft] minder - UK Elecraft net Sundays 0900 local, 3630 KHz

2008-10-19 Thread Paul Fletcher

Sorry I missed everyone - bit under the weather here.


73 Paul M1PAF
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[Elecraft] Re K3 VFO tracking

2008-10-19 Thread Norm Greenaway
Hi Guys
Need som advice.

My K3 (1615) is working fine but I have one problem or not.

when on 80 mtrs vfo a active vfo b sits on a 80 mtr freq and stays there
whether  changing freq up or down on vfo A

Likewise for 40 Mtrs 15 Mtrs and 10 Mtrs
However on 20 meters  VFO B tracks VFO A unless in split operation
then I can have 2 different freqs but if I move A  B. moves the
corresponding amount.

Any ideas or settings I need to set to Have them Independent like the others

Best Wishes

Norm VK4NWG
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[Elecraft] [K2] C222 cap

2008-10-19 Thread Petr Ourednik
Jon,

let me know the shipping address -> I will send You 
C222 NP0 cap for Your K2 in letter asap.

73 - Petr, OK1RP
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[Elecraft] For Sale: ELECRAFT HEXKEY

2008-10-19 Thread Rodger Stuart

For Sale:  ELECRAFT HEXKEY  High Performance Dual Lever CW Paddle, $140.

Thanks,
K6JET
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[Elecraft] For Sale: ELECRAFT HEIL Proset K2/K3 Headset

2008-10-19 Thread Rodger Stuart

ELECRAFT New HEIL Proset K2/K3 Headset (includes K2/K3 adapter)  $100

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SV: [Elecraft] K3 is really a computer radio

2008-10-19 Thread Lennart Michaëlsson
I totally agree with you Rob!
As an example the VK9DWX from Willis Island was rolling in on 1826.5 for
more than 4 hours yesterday. They were listening up 3 and down 3 changing
direction rapidly with heavy Eu and JA pileups.
I enjoyed listening to their ability to handle those huge piles. What rigs
are they using?? You guess.
My K3 can stand the large EU signal levels on 160 without any problems,
simply the best RX I have ever used.

Just like NV5E I like the HRD solution but can manage the K3 without it.
Thus, no need for Elecraft to invent another wheel, thank you.
I wish you all a nice Sunday!
Len
SM7BIC

.
I don't find any difficulty discerning between "push" and "push and hold",
that's been a feature of many consumer electronics for years.  After 2
months with the K3 I'm still not familiar with all the features, menus and
buttons, because I'm having more fun on the radio than I've had in years.
The radio is just a joy to use.  I don't find that switching modes or bands
is a problem.  Sometimes I have to fish around for a setting in the menus or
look at the manual, but it's not as difficult as my FT-857D!  As for a
computer control program try Ham Radio Deluxe, the developer, Simon Brown,
owns a K3 and HRD does a fine job.  No need for Elecraft to reinvent the
wheel.
Rob
NV5E





> I suggest Elecraft market a computer program for
>
> the K3 asap, or at least make recommendations of
>
> those that seem best. But then, I ask myself, do I
>
> want a FLEX substitute? 73,
>
>
> Charles Harpole
>
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