Re: [Elecraft] Diversity mode preamp

[Jon K Hellan]

On 11/23/2011 12:03 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 11/22/2011 2:31 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> move to Win-Test (which has an interface
>> identical to CT)
>
> Ah -- so THAT'S why the dinosaurs who don't want to learn anything new
> love it!

I've never seen CT. I love Win-Test.

Jon LA4RT

>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] New product opportunity

[Ian Maude]

With the upcoming release of the KAT500, I was thinking that the K-line
would look slightly asymmetrical with the tuner sat on top of either the K3
or the Amp.  So, how about a matching unit to the KAT500 to balance it all
up?  It could house a series of forward facing buttons which could be band
stacking registers, extra macro keys etc?  How about it guys?

73 Ian
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Re: [Elecraft] Stereo phone help

[Mike K2MK]

Hi Rick & Joe,

Rick, to the best of my knowledge, the CONFIG:SPKRS affects the rear speaker
jack and not the rear phone jack. The rear phone jack is always stereo. Of
course, I suppose it might be possible that Joe has accidentally plugged his
head phones into the rear speaker jack by mistake.

Joe, another config variable that affects what you hear in your headphones
is CONFIG: L-MIX-R. Barring a hardware failure on the rear phone jack it
almost sounds like this variable is set to B - A or B - AB and there is
nothing to be heard from the sub receiver. Maybe the sub RF gain or volume
has been turned all the way down. (tip: this variable is located
alphabetically by the word "MIX" and can be found after MIC BIN).

73,
Mike K2MK


Did you set CONFIG:SPKRS to 2?

Rick WA6NHC

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[mailto:elecraft-bounces@.qth] On Behalf Of Joe K2UF
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:20 PM
To: elecraft@.qth
Subject: [Elecraft] Stereo phone help

I have my phones plugged into the front phones connector ( of course using
an 1/8 to 1/4 stereo adapter) I get VFO A in left ear and VFO B in right ear
as it should be. If I unplug the headphones from the front jack and plug
them into the rear stereo phones jack I get VFO A in RIGHT  ear and nothing
in left ear.  Both cases I am using [SUB] [SPLIT] in fact I do not change
any settings.  I thought the two jacks were in parallel. Now what am I
missing?

Joe K2UF   

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Re: [Elecraft] New product opportunity

[Jim Rhodes]

Or even a KAT500 size box so I could build my own switch box.

Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
On Nov 23, 2011 2:45 AM, "Ian Maude"  wrote:

> With the upcoming release of the KAT500, I was thinking that the K-line
> would look slightly asymmetrical with the tuner sat on top of either the K3
> or the Amp.  So, how about a matching unit to the KAT500 to balance it all
> up?  It could house a series of forward facing buttons which could be band
> stacking registers, extra macro keys etc?  How about it guys?
>
> 73 Ian
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> Member RSGB, GQRP 9838, FISTS 14077 | K3 #455
> http://www.m0scg.org.uk
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Re: [Elecraft] Answering Questions Effectively

[Mike]

I agree, and would point out that there are two sides in the information 
exchange. 
Asking the right question, couched in the correct terms is also necessary.

73, Mike NF4L

On 11/22/2011 7:33 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> I have been waiting for a slow reflector day to post this very low priority
> message (Perhaps that day will never come!, so here goes...) but various
> threads keep touching on the point that I have been wanting to make, and a
> current K3 thread has yet again exhibited this behavior. 
>
> Let's say that you're having trouble with a particular rig control/logging
> program. Let's say for example that it doesn't properly put the transceiver 
> into
> transmit under certain conditions.
>
> If I made a suggestion such as, "The K3 already has a XMIT button that you can
> use to put the rig into transmit," you would probably be irritated with me
> because, of course, that isn't what you desire to do. You want the computer to
> perform that function, not a front panel button.
>
> Yet, again and again, when someone poses a particular problem or question 
> about
> the operation of an Elecraft product often one or more of the responses is,
> "Computer program ABC can do that." Well, that may be true, but it doesn't 
> help
> the original poster. The original poster probably isn't interested in finding 
> a
> computer solution; he's interested in finding a solution within the rig 
> itself.
>
> Perhaps one possible reason for this is that folks who use a computer with 
> their
> rig 100% of the time assume that everybody does (or should). It is not my 
> intent
> to debate this particular issue, only to point out that it's not realistic to
> assume this.
>
> In my opinion, we should be more sensitive to whether or not a computer 
> solution
> is the right solution, and always help the poster dig down to find a real
> solution to his problem.
>
> Regards,
>
> Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] SW TONE change volume ?

[drewko]

The switch tone volume level is is adjusted with MON along with the
sidetone level.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:19:06 -0800, Bob K6UJ wrote:

>
>Is there a way to  adjust the volume of the switch feedback tone on the K3 ?
>I like the  high freq / low freq  tone pair you get when a switch function is 
>turned or off but it is too loud,
>I would like to adjust the volume lower if possible.  
>I found the menu item for disabling the tone but not volume adjustment.
>
>Bob
>K6UJ

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for Christmas?

[n9nwo]

KX3 web page was updated yesterday stating that ordering will be opened in
December with units shipping in January and February.

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[Elecraft] FS: K2/EC2 with KAT100-2 and KPA100

[zumbruns]

Price reduced:  K2 with all accessories $800.00 plus shipping.  EC2 with 
KAT100-2 and KPA100 $500.00 plus shipping or both for $1200.00 plus shipping.  
73, W0SZ 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for Christmas??

[Dave KK7SS]

Well... 
I haven't received any communication from the "please notify" list I subscribed 
to...
So I'll just wait  
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Re: [Elecraft] Kit for kids

[Terry Schieler]

Correct, Bert.  Besides, I think most of us were using irons with wood burning 
kits (remember those) when we were around 7 or 8.  Not much difference in the 
heat of a wood burning iron and a 25W soldering iron except for the recommended 
safety goggles.

And, fire extinguishers were probably more necessary with the wood burning 
kits!  ;o)

73 and Happy Turkey!

Terry, W0FM



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From: Bert Craig [mailto:wa...@arrl.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:19 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Kit for kids

My 10 yr. old lad, Charles, WA2CJC wants to "solder sump'n!" Oh dear... Be
afraid, be very afraid - hihi. I think I have a spare NorCal or Wilderness
kit tucked away somewhere in the garage... Along with some fire
extinguishers.

Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for Christmas?

[rckchp]

I don't see pricing of KX3 on Elecraft web page.any info on cost?

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Sent: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:39:11 - (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for Christmas?

KX3 web page was updated yesterday stating that ordering will be opened in
December with units shipping in January and February.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for Christmas?

[Tony Estep]

I should be first on the list, I have whined the loudest.

Tony KT0NY


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[Elecraft] CAT command of K3 VOX??

[tomb18]

I am attempting to use CAT commands to program the K3 to go into something I
call remote or local mode (using HRD with macros assigned to buttons)

Basically, remote mode switches the MIC to Line in and sets the compression
to 0.  What is missing is to set PTT.

Local mode, switches MIC to front panel and sets compression to 15.  What is
missing is to set VOX.

Now I can use the SWH09 command but this is a toggle.  It works, but if I
was to inadvertently press one Remote or Local twice in a row, then the VOX
gets switched again and this will lead to an indeterminate state where I
won't know what is happening.  As I am using the SignaLink USB interface, it
uses hardware PTT and this can occur when VOX is enabled, which may cause
some issues.

Now, it seems that the VX command is only a Get.  Can anyone suggest a work
around?

Thanks

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Re: [Elecraft] CAT command of K3 VOX??

[Jack Brindle]

The IC command will give you what you want. Voice VOX status is  
available in bit 6 of Byte d.

Jack B, W6FB


On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:17 PM, tomb18 wrote:

> I am attempting to use CAT commands to program the K3 to go into  
> something I
> call remote or local mode (using HRD with macros assigned to buttons)
>
> Basically, remote mode switches the MIC to Line in and sets the  
> compression
> to 0.  What is missing is to set PTT.
>
> Local mode, switches MIC to front panel and sets compression to 15.   
> What is
> missing is to set VOX.
>
> Now I can use the SWH09 command but this is a toggle.  It works, but  
> if I
> was to inadvertently press one Remote or Local twice in a row, then  
> the VOX
> gets switched again and this will lead to an indeterminate state  
> where I
> won't know what is happening.  As I am using the SignaLink USB  
> interface, it
> uses hardware PTT and this can occur when VOX is enabled, which may  
> cause
> some issues.
>
> Now, it seems that the VX command is only a Get.  Can anyone suggest  
> a work
> around?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [Elecraft] CAT command of K3 VOX??

[Dick Dievendorff]

Do you have the ability to send a GET command and query the result? Then you
could use the VX getter to know what state you're in and issue SWH09 only if
you need to.

I have to do this quite a bit in the K3 Utility for K3 state that has only
toggles.

Dick, K6KR



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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of tomb18
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:18 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] CAT command of K3 VOX??

I am attempting to use CAT commands to program the K3 to go into something I
call remote or local mode (using HRD with macros assigned to buttons)

Basically, remote mode switches the MIC to Line in and sets the compression
to 0.  What is missing is to set PTT.

Local mode, switches MIC to front panel and sets compression to 15.  What is
missing is to set VOX.

Now I can use the SWH09 command but this is a toggle.  It works, but if I
was to inadvertently press one Remote or Local twice in a row, then the VOX
gets switched again and this will lead to an indeterminate state where I
won't know what is happening.  As I am using the SignaLink USB interface, it
uses hardware PTT and this can occur when VOX is enabled, which may cause
some issues.

Now, it seems that the VX command is only a Get.  Can anyone suggest a work
around?

Thanks

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Re: [Elecraft] New product opportunity

[Dave New, N8SBE]

I think we already had our hint, when it was mentioned that the KAT500
was the same height as the W2.

1.5" high station monitor, anyone?

To REALLY put the nail in the coffin (Yaesu, cough, cough) it could have
stereo speakers (ducks boat anchors lobbed at him).

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New product opportunity
> From: Jim Rhodes 
> Date: Wed, November 23, 2011 8:36 am
> To: Ian Maude 
> Cc: Elecraft List 
>
>
> Or even a KAT500 size box so I could build my own switch box.
>
> Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
> On Nov 23, 2011 2:45 AM, "Ian Maude"  wrote:
>
> > With the upcoming release of the KAT500, I was thinking that the K-line
> > would look slightly asymmetrical with the tuner sat on top of either the K3
> > or the Amp.  So, how about a matching unit to the KAT500 to balance it all
> > up?  It could house a series of forward facing buttons which could be band
> > stacking registers, extra macro keys etc?  How about it guys?
> >
> > 73 Ian
> > --
> > Ian J Maude, G0VGS
> > SysOp GB7MBC & HB9DRV-9 DX Clusters
> > Member RSGB, GQRP 9838, FISTS 14077 | K3 #455
> > http://www.m0scg.org.uk
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for Christmas?

[Dave KQ3T]

This is what Wayne posted back in August, the estimate may have been 
updated since then:


John Westmoreland wrote:


> What is the ballpark cost for the KX3?
Our target is still $799 for the basic 160-6 meter/10 watt/all-mode
KX3 kit, less options. Slightly higher when factory assembled. Prices
were based on cost of parts in May, and everything is going up
industry-wide, so it's possible prices may change by the time we start
shipping.
...


73, Wayne N6KR
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73 and Happy Thanksgiving,
Dave KQ3T


On 11/23/2011 1:21 PM, rck...@comcast.net wrote:
> I don't see pricing of KX3 on Elecraft web page.any info on cost?
>
>

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[Elecraft] K2 - reference oscillator will not go to 4000.000 kHz.

[Dan Arbogast]

Pardon me if this is an old topic, but I could not find anything relevant
to this with an archive search.

I have been enjoying my K2 for about a year but have always known the freq
calibration was off by about 1-2 KHz and have just lived with it by
compensating accordingly.  Now that I have a XG3 I want to get the K2 tuned
up as best as possible, which means I'm revisiting the freq calibration
problem again.

When adjusting C22 for 4000.000 KHz I find it will will never actually
reach 4000.000 and seems to bottom out slightly on the high side, maybe 1
KHz or so high.  Any ideas on where to look or how I may address this
problem?

Thanks!
Dan, NØDA
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Re: [Elecraft] Contesting use

[Doug Turnbull]

Hi All,
I am not replying specifically to Don's post but I do wonder if there
could not be too many buttons on such a pod especially for a contest where
one wants to keep it simple.   Yes tuning is nice.   Access to CW/DVK
memories very helpful and perhaps isolate on the pod access to some Macros
could help.   I have an OII and really miss the Pod.  The OII will be sold
as there are now two K3s in this shack.   I had stopped bothering the good
Elecraft people about this pet desire but hell you guys started it.   The
Pod for me is most useful for contesting.   It allows one to access certain
controls without possibly hitting others in the heat of the battle.   The K3
buttons are crowded as are the OII buttons and they are not always in a
position which is easy to hit.   SO I would dearly like to see a pod which I
would position next to my keyboard.   Yes I do use WinTest and MicroKeyer II
so to some large degree my problem is sorted but I would still like to be
able to access the K3 memories with more ease.
   
 The tuning feature can be nice if you are leaning back in an easy chair
reading the mail. 

 Well Elecraft is pretty supper and I guess one can get to be too
demanding.   Thanks to those who allowed me to blow my horn one more time
and now back into the box.

  73 Doug EI2CN  

 

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: 23 November 2011 04:25
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Contesting use

This sort of item is just the "pod" I was referring to.  I do not know 
of the specifics of this particular pod, but it holds promise.  If the 
buttons are capable of sending K3 commands as macros, it can be a winner.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 11/22/2011 10:23 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> This looks very promising for 12 macro keys and a VFO:
>
> http://xkeys.com/xkeys/xk12JSH.php
>
> Has anyone done this with the K3?
>
> 73,  Bill
>
>
>
> David Gilbert wrote
>> You may want to check the X-Keys website like W4TV suggested.  Their
>> macro programming software is extremely trivial to use.
>>
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/2011 6:38 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> My vote is for a K3 accessory similar to the TenTec "pod" - an auxiliary
>>> tuning knob mounted on the pod along with several pushbutton switches (8
>>> to 12) that can be programmed to send macros to the K3. The pod sits on
>>> the desk, so the tuning knob and buttons are horizontal - less tiring
>>> for the operator than a vertical panel.
>>>
>>> I believe that could be a great solution to the contesting station.  In
>>> reality, there are not a great number of buttons that are needed after
>>> setting up the K3 for a contest.   It would be easy to relate the
>>> function of a dozen buttons (each of which do one and only one thing) to
>>> a guest operator.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 11/22/2011 12:01 PM, Tom W8JI wrote:
 Operators need buttons or toggle switches that serve one function.
Hands
 are
 too busy.


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Re: [Elecraft] CAT command of K3 VOX??

[tomb18]

I thought you couldn't do that inn the k3 utility.  I guess I could program a
macro and then just call this from HRD.  I can't find any documentation on
HRD programming languages.

Perhaps I don't even need to switch to PTT and back.  From the manual it
says that even if you VOX the PTT is active.  If this is the case, then the
signalink will take care of this for me.
Tom

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Re: [Elecraft] CAT command of K3 VOX??

[Dick Dievendorff]

You can't do this with the macros. The K3 Utility itself has a lot of code
that queries the radio and follows different paths based on the rig's
responses.  

Dick


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CAT command of K3 VOX??

I thought you couldn't do that inn the k3 utility.  I guess I could program
a macro and then just call this from HRD.  I can't find any documentation on
HRD programming languages.

Perhaps I don't even need to switch to PTT and back.  From the manual it
says that even if you VOX the PTT is active.  If this is the case, then the
signalink will take care of this for me.
Tom

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Re: [Elecraft] Problem after KPA100UPKT upgrade

[Don Wilhelm]

Sam,

Sorry for the delayed response, it has been a busy day and have not had 
a chance to get to my email.

OK, the voltages on D11 seem out of "wack" - so check the tinning of L16 
leads, the soldering of RFC4 and D11.

Once you get proper RX voltages on D11, try the TX diode voltages if it 
still does not work.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/22/2011 11:53 PM, scramac wrote:
> Don,
> I made some diode voltage checks and here is what is got:
>
>  AnodeCathode
> D9 ref: 1.41   (13.6 actual)  ref: 13.8  (13.3 actual)
> D10   ref 0.0  (0 actual)   ref: 14.1  (13.6 actual)
>
>  Anode
> D11   RX 0-10w   ref 14.1  (actual: seem floating in mv range)
>  RX 11-110w  ref 1.5  (actual: seems floating in mv range)
>
> D12   RX 0-10w   ref 14.1  (actual: 1.4V)
>  RX 11-110w  ref 1.5  (actual: 3.6V)
>
> D13 RX 0-10w   ref 14.1  (actual: 13.6V
>RX 11-110w  ref 1.5  (actual: 1.4V)
>
> D14 RX 0-10w   ref 14.1  (actual: 13.6V)
>RX 11-110w  ref 1.5  (actual: 1.4V)
>
> Visual check doesn't show anything wrong.  Any thoughts on what could be
> going on here?
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> Sam
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - reference oscillator will not go to 4000.000 kHz.

[Don Wilhelm]

Dan,

Don't worry about getting the 4 MHz reference exactly to 4 MHz - it is 
"not necessarily so".
Use the N6KR method to set C22 accurately..  Go to my website 
www.w3fpr.com and look at the K2 Dial Calibration article to describe 
the complete sequence.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/23/2011 4:38 PM, Dan Arbogast wrote:
> Pardon me if this is an old topic, but I could not find anything relevant
> to this with an archive search.
>
> I have been enjoying my K2 for about a year but have always known the freq
> calibration was off by about 1-2 KHz and have just lived with it by
> compensating accordingly.  Now that I have a XG3 I want to get the K2 tuned
> up as best as possible, which means I'm revisiting the freq calibration
> problem again.
>
> When adjusting C22 for 4000.000 KHz I find it will will never actually
> reach 4000.000 and seems to bottom out slightly on the high side, maybe 1
> KHz or so high.  Any ideas on where to look or how I may address this
> problem?
>
> Thanks!
> Dan, NØDA
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[Elecraft] For info Purposes

[Robert Garceau]

I just returned from my 2nd trip to St.Croix, Virgin Islands. I brought my
K3 along as a guest.

The K3 was with me on the plane and stored under the seat in front of me in
a nice bag purchased from Rose Kopp (N7HKW).

 

I brought the radio with me last year and Murphy paid a visit.

The tower at the station that I was using was stuck at 15 feet and the A3S
was stuck on Europe. 

Nevertheless, I did make some QSO's on CW, SSB and RTTY.

I was using the station of NP2N. 

 

This year Murphy struck in a different way.  I arrived on Thursday, Nov. 3rd
and promptly set got on 10 meters and had a great run into the U.S. and JA
on SSB. I was getting great reports. Loud, 59 plus. I was in heaven. 

The tower and rotor had been repaired, so I was FB to operate.

After my nice run on 10, I noticed that I was only putting out 27 watts.

I have a KPA500 at home, which I use and apparently the K3 still remembered
the setting from back home, as it was suppose to.

Then I attempted to up the power to 100 watts and the K3 shut down. I
experimented and the best I could do was somewhere between 30 and 40 watts
depending on band/mode. That's when I received the visit from Murphy. The
power supply (20 amps) in the shack (I did not take one with me) was not
working properly. We tried another PS and had the same problem.

 

Anyway, with only 30 watts max, I made 1174 QSO's on CW, SSB and RTTY. I did
receive a variety of signal reports. Five nine plus were some of the reports
that I received from Europe.  The station is on a hill and when I stand on
the porch, I can see ocean to the north and northeast. From some stations in
England, Finland and further north, I was not so strong. This was on 10 and
15. I operated strictly split.

 

Obviously, I like the K3. And the old saying that you don't need a ton of
power to work the world is very true. When I got back home, I hooked
everything up and I'm back up to 100 watts again.  

 

Have a nice Thanksgiving, Bob, W1EQ (KP2/W1EQ)

K3, KPA 500 and P3 on order ETA 12/1.

 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for Christmas?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Closer to $899 for the kit.

73, Eric

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On 11/23/2011 1:19 PM, Dave KQ3T wrote:
> This is what Wayne posted back in August, the estimate may have been
> updated since then:
>
> 
> John Westmoreland wrote:
>
>
>> What is the ballpark cost for the KX3?
> Our target is still $799 for the basic 160-6 meter/10 watt/all-mode
> KX3 kit, less options. Slightly higher when factory assembled. Prices
> were based on cost of parts in May, and everything is going up
> industry-wide, so it's possible prices may change by the time we start
> shipping.
> ...
>
> 73, Wayne N6KR
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[Elecraft] wattage on k3 vs kpa500

[Richard]

Hi
  Maybe some one can answer this.   I set my k3 to 60 watts and measure 60 
watts on my kpa500 meter with the amp in standby trnsmitting into a dummy load. 
 When I switch to an antenna with a 3:1 swr the k3 still says 60 watts but the 
kpa500 now reads  80 watts  with the amp still in standby.   So which is 
correct  or neither ?
Thanks Richard
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[Elecraft] For info Purposes

[Nand Kishore]

I have worked Bob,KP2/W1EQ on 10m.
Got qsl on LoTW too.
100W K3/100 into 3el Steppir.


Nandu..VU2NKS

K3/100 #282
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Re: [Elecraft] wattage on k3 vs kpa500

[Rick Bates]

Here's my take:

Most if not all RF power meters will only be accurate at a 1:1 SWR (when
there is resonance).  The actual power can more accurately determined by
reading the voltage and current and then only if the amp efficiency is
known.

It's likely that neither the K3 or KPA500 meter is entirely accurate; the K3
would sense the 'bad' SWR and start a power foldback and the amp is a random
location on the feedline away with the mismatch causing a sensing error.
(Adding another random feed length would likely give a different reading.)

>From memory, at 3:1 you have approximately a 25% 'reflection'.  I didn't do
the math to verify, but in this case happens to be the same as shown as
added power in the KPA500.  Perhaps someone else can add more.  

The K3 is producing the power and should be the more accurate reading.
However, an improvement of 3:1 should be obtained before either the K3 or
the more importantly the KPA500 applies any significant power (in fact the
amp will 'complain' and switch to standby at ~2.1:1).  That higher SWR in
the real world comes back as heat, which is bad and shortens the life
expectancy of the final(s).

Make sense?

Rick WA6NHC

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Subject: [Elecraft] wattage on k3 vs kpa500

Hi
  Maybe some one can answer this.   I set my k3 to 60 watts and measure 60
watts on my kpa500 meter with the amp in standby trnsmitting into a dummy
load.  When I switch to an antenna with a 3:1 swr the k3 still says 60 watts
but the kpa500 now reads  80 watts  with the amp still in standby.   So
which is correct  or neither ?
Thanks Richard
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