[Elecraft] Subject: Re: K3 Hum on Audio...

2012-01-14 Thread Edward R. Cole
Phil,

The mic element is not connected to the mic preamplifier until PTT is 
engaged (on most radios), so it still implies the mic is the pickup 
path.  You said there is no hum with the mic removed from the front 
panel jack, right?  Change mics; is hum still there?

You also said you could suppress the hum by laying a hand on the 
KPA500.  Capacity of your body is enough to bypass the hum 
energy.  Could be time to check the resistance of your ground system.

Two tests you can do to see if it returns:
1)  Connect a 4-5 foot piece of wire to the mic pin that connects to 
the mic element and key the radio - hum?
2)  Disconnect the ground wire.  More hum or less hum?

A high resistance ground can lead to RF getting into a mic and could 
just sound like hum, though AC pickup is more likely the source.

Like you said it probably is lurking to strike again.  GL, Ed

*Note:  my old workplace had such bad ground loops that it was nearly 
impossible to route audio or computer network wiring thru the comm 
room.  I measured about 20vac on the ground system to my RF 
ground.  Telephone circuits with twisted wire had so much 60 and 120 
Hz hum it interfered with normal tracing tones.  Unfortunately the 
company was unwilling to try fixing this.  The building had 480, 277, 
and 120vac circuits and the 480 mains input transformer was 20-feet 
away.  The building formerly was used as a welding shop.  I resorted 
to using isolation transformers for my test bench ac supply to 
isolate from the ground system.


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Microphone idea

2012-01-14 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/13/2012 6:13 PM, Ignacy wrote:
 Almost the same sound but much higher
 level of background noise. Only important with heavy processing.

Turn down the microphone gain.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Real world use of 1.8 filter

2012-01-14 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
I concur with Don and others (although I don't find tuning with the 1.8 kHz too 
hard), it really does help me to hear a DX, especially on lower bands where I 
have a S7+ noise floor (urban environment).

I generally tune with the 2.8 kHz and then drop in the 1.8KHz in using the II 
filter setting. When setting the width to use the 1.8 kHz, it's best to use 
High/Low, rather than Width and reduce the high and increase the low until you 
drop down to the 1.8 kHz filter, this gives better audio and readability than 
just changing the width around the centre frequency - the final setting tending 
to be offset.

BTW, if you are getting the 2nd receiver, getting the 2.8 kHz filter means you 
don't need to match a pair of 2.7 kHz filters, just get another 2.8 kHz for the 
KRX3.

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
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On 14 Jan 2012, at 04:29, Don Wilhelm wrote:

 Keith,
 
 Under what conditions do you use the 2.1 kHz filter and wish for the
 1.8? I ask because the use of a narrow SSB filter makes tuning more
 critical (and more care is required to get an intelligible signal).
 
 So if you are doing search and pounce in a contest, the extra time to
 tune with the 1.8 kHz filter may be enough to miss the contact entirely
 - you would br better off putting up with the QRM and letting the brain
 do the filtering.
 
 But if you are carefully tuning a DX station during a pileup, then the
 1.8 might be of some assistance if the pileup is not well behaved - in
 that case you would have more time to do careful tuning.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 On 1/13/2012 10:48 PM, Keith Heimbold wrote:
 I am a new owner of a slightly used K3, SN #1391 and I have the 2.8 khz and 
 the 2.1 khz and I think that between the two of them for SSB, I have an 
 awesome setup.  I am curious about the difference between the 2.1 khz and 
 the 1.8 khz but not enough to make the purchase decision at this point.  I 
 think it is probably not an educated recommendation to make but I will do so 
 anyway.  I really like the 2.1 khz filter and end up using it all the time 
 and it does make a difference to me in more crowded band conditions.  I have 
 not owned it long enough to comment on how it performs in contests.  Maybe 
 then I will be wishing I had the 1.8 khz filter instead of the 2.1 khz 
 filter.

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Re: [Elecraft] Real world use of 1.8 filter

2012-01-14 Thread Brian Alsop
On the other hand,  the 1.8 KHz filter is my primary filter for SSB 
receive.  I'm mostly a CW operator and when I get on SSB it is only for 
working DX or a contest.  Fidelity is not an need.  Once the high 
cut/lot cuts are set up for the 1.8, one can easily widen the the filter 
width with width control alone to allow better copy for XYL or broad 
signals stations.

73 de Brian/K3KO



On 1/14/2012 04:29, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Keith,

 Under what conditions do you use the 2.1 kHz filter and wish for the
 1.8? I ask because the use of a narrow SSB filter makes tuning more
 critical (and more care is required to get an intelligible signal).

 So if you are doing search and pounce in a contest, the extra time to
 tune with the 1.8 kHz filter may be enough to miss the contact entirely
 - you would br better off putting up with the QRM and letting the brain
 do the filtering.

 But if you are carefully tuning a DX station during a pileup, then the
 1.8 might be of some assistance if the pileup is not well behaved - in
 that case you would have more time to do careful tuning.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 1/13/2012 10:48 PM, Keith Heimbold wrote:
 I am a new owner of a slightly used K3, SN #1391 and I have the 2.8 khz and 
 the 2.1 khz and I think that between the two of them for SSB, I have an 
 awesome setup.  I am curious about the difference between the 2.1 khz and 
 the 1.8 khz but not enough to make the purchase decision at this point.  I 
 think it is probably not an educated recommendation to make but I will do so 
 anyway.  I really like the 2.1 khz filter and end up using it all the time 
 and it does make a difference to me in more crowded band conditions.  I have 
 not owned it long enough to comment on how it performs in contests.  Maybe 
 then I will be wishing I had the 1.8 khz filter instead of the 2.1 khz 
 filter.

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[Elecraft] [K3] suggested order for upgrades

2012-01-14 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci

Hello,
I'll soon be able to add these parts to my K3/100+KAT3:

3 filters
KBPF3
KXV3A 
KDVR3
KTCXO3-1

I'd like to minimize the dismount/remount needed to do this, but still I
don't feel it would be a good idea to mount them all and hope it all
works at the first time. 

Now, it should be possible to mount the KTCXO3-1 by just opening the top
of the case. It should be possible to test it without having to close
back the top, too.
The KBPF3 shouldn't require access to the bottom part since
the standoff are already there (iirc). Again, test should be possible
without remounting the top.
I could even do those two in sequence, and just test them together.
I'd then go on with the filters (which require access to the front part
of the bottom), and then proceed with either the KXV3A or the KDVR3,
which both require extensive dismount/remount. 


Any better ideas?


Pf






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[Elecraft] MH2

2012-01-14 Thread Norman Zinn
I AM IN NEED OF A MIC CORD FOR A MH2 MIC. DOES ANYONE NO WHERE I CAN BUY ONE.
NORM
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Re: [Elecraft] MH2

2012-01-14 Thread Oliver Dröse
At Elecraft? ;-))

73, Olli - DH8BQA



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[Elecraft] K3 Power Connectors

2012-01-14 Thread Barry N1EU
Can anyone suggest a source to purchase a single power connector pair
at reasonable price (i.e., not $10 shipping, etc)?

Does anyone know all the TE/Mouser part numbers needed to assemble a
complete connector pair (Mouser catalog p2503)?

Thanks  73,
Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] Real world use of 1.8 filter

2012-01-14 Thread Bill W4ZV

W2BLC wrote
 
 Most of my operating is SSB rag chew on 75 and 40 meters. I love 
 arm-chair copy and do use outboard Behringer products to that end on RX 
 only. The K3 is probably overkill for my use, but I think it would be 
 enjoyable.
 
 Would I get my money's worth from the 1.8 filter? Or, would I find the 
 2.8 8-pole filter used in conjunction with the DSP to be adequate?
 

Based on what you wrote above, you should be fine with the stock 5-pole 2.7k
and IMHO don't even need the 2.8k (i.e. save your $140).  

1.  Ragchewing:  2.7k is fine
2.  DXing or contest SPing:  1.8k (when you DO have time for precise
tuning)
3.  Contest running at high rates (150 Qs/hr):  2.1k (when you DON'T have
time)

I recently swapped my 1.8k for a 2.1k because of #3 above:

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Trade-my-1-8k-for-your-2-1k-filter-tt7158423.html#a7161493

73,  Bill  W4ZV




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Power Connectors

2012-01-14 Thread Mike
I'd check first with Elecraft.

73, Mike NF4L

On 1/14/2012 7:27 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:
 Can anyone suggest a source to purchase a single power connector pair
 at reasonable price (i.e., not $10 shipping, etc)?

 Does anyone know all the TE/Mouser part numbers needed to assemble a
 complete connector pair (Mouser catalog p2503)?

 Thanks  73,
 Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] Real world use of 1.8 filter

2012-01-14 Thread Barry
Another vote for the stock filter (from a CW guy who doesn't operate much
SSB).
Barry W2UP

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Power Connectors

2012-01-14 Thread Barry N1EU
Thanks much - all set with the connectors.

73, Barry N1EU

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Barry N1EU barry.n...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can anyone suggest a source to purchase a single power connector pair
 at reasonable price (i.e., not $10 shipping, etc)?

 Does anyone know all the TE/Mouser part numbers needed to assemble a
 complete connector pair (Mouser catalog p2503)?

 Thanks  73,
 Barry N1EU
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[Elecraft] K3: Real world use of 1.8 filter

2012-01-14 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
My 2 cents:

For rag chewing the stock wide filter is fine.

In fact, I still use the stock SSB filter in both of my K3s and I am a
pretty serious contester (nobody holds more current CQWW USA contest
records than I do).

Remember that a roofing filter is NOT what determines your final IF
bandwidth.  It does, apparently, contribute a little, but the DSP
filtering is mostly what is doing that.

So for me, the difference between how many signals are going to fall
inside your passband when from 2.7 to 2.1 to 1.8 on SSB is, well, not
much.   If anyone in the USA has such a concern, for me, is
appropriate only for contesting.  Even when DXing, either your calling
on his frequency or if split, well, hopefully he is asked for a
split of more than just up 1.  Remember, this is SSB.  Some will say
that on 80/160, there are a very few number of DXing occasions where
the narrower SSB filter can help.  I won't argue that.

I have to wonder out loud how many guys are feeling the DSP filter
width impact when they go from their 2.7 to 2.1 to 1.8 on SSB versus
how much of that is improvement in IMD reduction specs.  For 99%, they
probably are feeling the narrower DSP filter impact (which means the
narrower roofing filter has essentially no impact at all).  If the SSB
band is packed with wall-to-wall very, very, very strong signals, then
I'm betting that the roofing filter BW just won't matter for the vast
majority of ops.

Are there times when the narrower roofing filters are better?
Probably a handful per contest.  But for me, when contesting, I really
don't want to deal with such a situation.  I can probably have a
better rate (if I'm running) by finding a better QRG to attempt to run
(call CQ).  It's mostly how much you want to defend your frequency
versus how much you want to improve your QSO rate.  YMMV.

So to summarize...for my 2 cents, for rag-chewing the stock SSB filter is VFB.

de Doug KR2Q
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[Elecraft] K3: Real world use of 1.8 filter (oops)

2012-01-14 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
I would like to change one word in the following paragraph.   In the
last sentence, If the SSB band... change the word  If  to  Unless


Sorry about that.

de Doug KR2Q

I have to wonder out loud how many guys are feeling the DSP filter
width impact when they go from their 2.7 to 2.1 to 1.8 on SSB versus
how much of that is improvement in IMD reduction specs.  For 99%, they
probably are feeling the narrower DSP filter impact (which means the
narrower roofing filter has essentially no impact at all).  If the SSB
band is packed with wall-to-wall very, very, very strong signals, then
I'm betting that the roofing filter BW just won't matter for the vast
majority of ops.
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[Elecraft] OT: email delays

2012-01-14 Thread Matthew Pitts
Is it just me, or is anyone else receiving responses and corrections to posts 
before the original post shows up? I've had it happen twice so far today.

Matthew Pitts
N8OHU

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Real world use of 1.8 filter (oops)

2012-01-14 Thread Keith Heimbold
I will roll with the current setup for awhile but i have seen on several 
occasions how I can deploy the use of the 2.1 kHz filter in noisier band 
conditions say on 40m to improve intelligibility and readability of weaker 
signals.

If the 1.8 kHz filter will continue in that line of improvement, it would 
probably be warranted down the road to add the 1.8 khz filter and reconfigure 
my current setup on this K3.  I do have to hold off for more spending on the 
radio since I  focusing my green stamps on a SteppIR 3 element antenna upgrade 
project and my wife wants an incredibly expensive baby room for our first.

Keith
AG6AZ

Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos

On Jan 14, 2012, at 6:28 AM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL doug...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would like to change one word in the following paragraph.   In the
 last sentence, If the SSB band... change the word  If  to  Unless
 
 
 Sorry about that.
 
 de Doug KR2Q
 
 I have to wonder out loud how many guys are feeling the DSP filter
 width impact when they go from their 2.7 to 2.1 to 1.8 on SSB versus
 how much of that is improvement in IMD reduction specs.  For 99%, they
 probably are feeling the narrower DSP filter impact (which means the
 narrower roofing filter has essentially no impact at all).  If the SSB
 band is packed with wall-to-wall very, very, very strong signals, then
 I'm betting that the roofing filter BW just won't matter for the vast
 majority of ops.
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Re: [Elecraft] Real world use of 1.8 filter

2012-01-14 Thread W2BLC
Thanks very much for those great replies. Sure appreciate the help in 
filter selections.

Bill W2BLC

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[Elecraft] DVR drive adjustment?

2012-01-14 Thread Robert Sands
Is it possible or necessary to adjust the DVR playback output to reflect
moderate ALC levels?
Robert Sands
K7VO
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Re: [Elecraft] DVR drive adjustment?

2012-01-14 Thread Bruce Beford
Unfortunately, it's not adjustable (at this time). However, many feel it
should be. In the past, Lyle has said he would take a look at the
feasibility of making it adjustable. With the KX3 firmware effort however,
it's probably not high on the priority list right now.
73,
Bruce, N1RX


 Is it possible or necessary to adjust the DVR playback output to reflect
 moderate ALC levels?
 Robert Sands
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Real world use of 1.8 filter (oops)

2012-01-14 Thread Matt Zilmer
Not sure what you mean by feeling.  As the filter BW is narrowed, I
usually shift the Fc down as well.  This gives more balance to the
heard spectrum, which is a change of course.  When the roofing filter
shifts from 2.8 to 1.8, I can't feel a transition, maybe because of
this operating method.

The only way I've really ever perceived a transition is when using the
XFIL key to change roofing filter.  The transition is abrupt, as
expected.

I notice a reduction in distortion using the 1.8 filter in crowded
conditions.  Seems like most folks would notice better
intelligibility, but can't really sense distortion as such. Contesters
excluded, of course.  They can and do notice.

I feel a lot more IMD reduction in CW, while changing the DSP filter
bandwidth.  Much more.

Filters here:  0.25, 1.8, 2.8, 6.0, 13.0.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:28:00 -0500, you wrote:

I would like to change one word in the following paragraph.   In the
last sentence, If the SSB band... change the word  If  to  Unless


Sorry about that.

de Doug KR2Q

I have to wonder out loud how many guys are feeling the DSP filter
width impact when they go from their 2.7 to 2.1 to 1.8 on SSB versus
how much of that is improvement in IMD reduction specs.  For 99%, they
probably are feeling the narrower DSP filter impact (which means the
narrower roofing filter has essentially no impact at all).  If the SSB
band is packed with wall-to-wall very, very, very strong signals, then
I'm betting that the roofing filter BW just won't matter for the vast
majority of ops.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
 Will there be a facility to export high-resolution image files via the
 USB port?

Not yet - Still at the current resolution. but we are looking at adding 
that to the f/w.

Thanks, Eric - that's as much as we expect right now.

But longer-term, there does need to be some way to show those high-res 
images to the rest of the world! (Maybe a simple write-only process to 
a USB stick, using a system assigned filename?)


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http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek
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[Elecraft] K3: use of 1.8 filter - clarification

2012-01-14 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
I've received emails replies (direct and otherwise) that, for me, indicate
that I should elaborate/clarify what I am referring to.

Let's assume that you have a 2.7 and 2.1 roofing filter.

If you set up your narrower SSB filter according the the manual, which is
what the majority of K3 ops do, as you transition from, 2.7 to 2.1 using
the width knob, you are doing two separate, but linked things.  First,
you are reducing the DSP BW.  Sync'ed to that (you have no choice without
manual intervention, ie faking out the K3), as you get to 2.1 kHz in the
DSP BW, you simultaneously switch from the 2.7 to the 2.1 roofing filter.

Unless you unhook this coupling between the DSP BW and the Roofing Filter
BW, you simply cannot tell which one is influencing what you hear (what I
called feel).  So when you get down to 2.1 (from 2.7) are you
appreciating the impact of the DSP or the roofing filter - or maybe both?
How would you know?

I am saying that unless you are operating in extremely crowded band
conditions (not with just one interfering, very near-by station) you are
appreciating the impact due to the DSP BW and certainly NOT the roofing
filter.

It is possible to manually intervene to alter (even temporarily turn off)
the (point of) sync between the DSP BW and the roofing filter (narrower)
BW.  And I am saying that unless you actually do this de-linking, that
you won't be able to know/confirm the true source of what you are hearing /
feeling.  I'm betting that for the vast majority, especially non-contesters
and non-160 serious DXers, what you hear is due to the DSP BW.

The roofing filters are used for reducing IMD.  A receiver with poor IMD
will experience phantom signals due to the mixing of other very strong
signals (multiple) on the band and these phantom signals can potentially
cover up real, but weak, signals.  You can usually identify such IMD as
received squeaks, pops, whines, groans, etc.  The band will sound like it
is covered with garbage - even somewhat musical.  The addition of the
appropriate roofing filter can reduce or eliminate this.  This is esp true
(for me) on CW and especially (for me) on the low bands (lots of very
strong signals) during a contest.  In the old days, I've had many
receivers that would simply collapse under the strain.  It made tuning
across the band painful and arduous when trying to pick out weaker signals.
After hours and hours of this, it is very fatiguing.  I use the 5 pole
500hz filter on CW for both of my K3s.  Is it wrong to get a narrow
filter?  Of course not.  But unless you are planning on operating in the
midst of multiple, super strong signals, then I do not see much logic in
getting a narrower CW filter...and certainly not a narrower SSB filter for
SSB use.

At least on CW, you can fit another signal inside the passband (very rare)
when going from 500 to 200hz, but on SSB, going from 2.7 to 2.1?  No way
that will fit another signal in that delta (which is half of the
difference or just 300hz.).

Now, if you have the sub-receiver and want to match filters, then I see
nothing wrong with buying one of the narrower (or even wider) SSB filters.
But that would be motivated by a different reason.

If you're spending money frugally or even just being thrifty, (however
you want to define that) you can stick with the 2.7 stock filter.  If money
isn't an issue (the cost isn't that much different), you sure can't be
hurt by getting a narrower SSB filter, except as cited by others, when it
comes to ease of tuning in a station (though I have never experienced
such difficulty).  Lots of folks simply like to load up the open the
slots.  That is yet another motivation...not much to do with operating.

Hope this helped to clarify what I was trying to get across.

de Doug
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: email delays

2012-01-14 Thread roncasa
On 1/14/2012 9:47 AM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
 Is it just me, or is anyone else receiving responses and corrections to posts 
 before the original post shows up? I've had it happen twice so far today.


it depends on the status of the routers and their servers; perhaps a 
route was down along the way and it had to re-navigate a different route 
and/or  depends on a server  . it could be any strange reason.

Akin to ham radio, we use relays (ham radio stations in between) to get 
messages across country, (smile)

72
Ron, wb1hga
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hum on Audio...

2012-01-14 Thread N2TK, Tony
Make sure the LIN IN is not turned up. Early on I had a problem with hum in
my audio, especially if an amp was close to the K3. For some reason my LIN
IN was at max. Turned it down and hum went away.
73,
N2TK, Tony

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:54 PM
To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hum on Audio...

Jim,

Well, I would call it mostly a buzz.  Also, the only near magnetic field of
the KPA500 power transformer is off, I mean powered off and unplugged, so
that does not seem to be the problem.

I just ran another test with everything disconnected, including ground and
coax.  With the K3 in TEST mode, key-down on the mic still produces the hum.
I double checked the grounds.  I did this because if I were to touch
anything metal on the k3, the metal part of the PL259 or the ground strap,
the hum is damped quite a bit to almost insignificant.  It seems that if my
rig were already well grounded this would not happen so I am curious if this
is something I would normally expect.

I will experiment with the TXEQ but this is a real puzzle I would like to
solve, not merely erase it.  

73, phil


On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

 On 1/13/2012 9:20 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
 Unfortunately, it is in both mics but not as strong in the Yamaha CM500
mic as in the MH2 but it is present.
 
 Clarification question.  Is it HUM (pure 60 Hz), or BUZZ (mostly 
 harmonics of 60 Hz)?  If it's HUM, I would suspect magnetic field 
 coupling into the audio, either from a big power transformer (like the 
 one in a power amp or a big linear power supply) or from a AC power 
 wiring fault called a double-bonded neutral.
 
 The K3 has unshielded audio transformers at all the audio inputs and 
 outputs, and an unshielded transformer is a sitting duck for magnetic 
 fields.
 
 The good news is that the K3 has excellent audio equalization (TXEQ) 
 that allows us to remove that 60 Hz hum by filtering.  The lower audio 
 frequencies in the human voice make NO useful contribution to speech 
 intelligibility, but they do waste transmit power. So it is ALWAYS a 
 good thing to set the TXEQ for maximum cut of the lowest two bands, 
 and at least some cut of the third band. This is true with virtually 
 ALL mics and ALL voices.  AND it will reduce that hum enough that you 
 may no longer hear it.
 
 There are several solutions to magnetic field coupling.  1) Rotate the 
 noise source or the victim circuit to put the fields at right angles 
 to the victim.  2) Move the noise source further from the victim. 3) 
 If the hum field is produced by that AC power wiring error, fix the 
 error to eliminate the field.
 
 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: use of 1.8 filter - clarification

2012-01-14 Thread Bill W4ZV
Hi Doug,


DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote
 
 The roofing filters are used for reducing IMD.  
 

I agree IMD reduction is not a big issue on SSB but blocking dynamic range
(BDR) is the primary reason I sometimes need a narrower filter.  If you have
an S9+25 SSB signal CQing next to you (sometimes the case in crowded
contests), a narrower filter will prevent it from de-sensing your receiver. 
If part of the interfering signal falls inside your 2.7k filter, signals on
your frequency will be gain modulated by his signal (commonly called AGC
pumping).  In this case a narrower filter will prevent the problem.  Of
course when this happens, we still have to contend with his transmitted
splatter (typical SSB TXs run -35 dB IMD which would result in ~S7
splatter from an S9+25 signal), but at least you can still copy signals at
S7 or above (and lower when he's not transmitting).

73,  Bill

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[Elecraft] First QSO using the KX3's built-in RTTY mode

2012-01-14 Thread Wayne Burdick
The KX3 will have the same built-in RTTY and PSK31 modes as the K3:  
just set the DATA mode for FSK-D or PSK-D, and turn text decode on.  
You can then send CW with either the attached paddle or an external  
paddle and the KX3 will convert it to RTTY or PSK31. The VFO B display  
is alphanumeric, and it can display on-air data signals. No computer  
needed.

I just made the first QSO using the KX3's RTTY mode (FSK-D), running  
12 watts. Lots of activity in the 20-meter RTTY zone today (14080-4090).

I'll be monitoring 14085.00 while working on firmware today in case  
anyone wants a rare 6-land RTTY QSO :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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[Elecraft] KPA500

2012-01-14 Thread Jim Dunstan


Hi,

Out of curiosity ... those fortunate owners of the KPA500 could take 
a look and let me know what output they produce when the input to the 
amp is exactly 5W.

Thanks

Jim, VE3CI

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: email delays

2012-01-14 Thread Ken Alexander
What Ron says is quite true.  I haven't even received Matthew's original 
post yet!!!

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS


On 14/01/2012 11:49 AM, roncasa wrote:
 On 1/14/2012 9:47 AM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
 Is it just me, or is anyone else receiving responses and corrections to 
 posts before the original post shows up? I've had it happen twice so far 
 today.

 it depends on the status of the routers and their servers; perhaps a
 route was down along the way and it had to re-navigate a different route
 and/or  depends on a server  . it could be any strange reason.

 Akin to ham radio, we use relays (ham radio stations in between) to get
 messages across country, (smile)

 72
 Ron, wb1hga
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: email delays

2012-01-14 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
It's the e-mail reflector version of l-o-n-g-path propagation. In the past
we've had cases of a message being delayed 24 hours or more. 

(The other) Ron, AC7AC

-Original Message-

What Ron says is quite true.  I haven't even received Matthew's original 
post yet!!!

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS


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[Elecraft] P3 REF LVL

2012-01-14 Thread K3RWN
I may be mistaken but I thought there was a way for the REF LVL to
automatically adjust itself to the bottom of the screen.  When I change
antennas I need to readjust the REF LVL to the bottom of the screen.

 

I may be wrong on this and just dreamed it up in my head, but I thought I
would check with the experts on the list.

 

Hope to see some of you in the NAQP CW tonight.

 

Rich

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500

2012-01-14 Thread K2GN
I was just going through the power settings to make a chart.
I'm showing between 50  75 watts output on the KPA500 meter with 5 watts
from the K3.
Larry/K2GN - http://k2gn.com


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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 1:57 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500



Hi,

Out of curiosity ... those fortunate owners of the KPA500 could take 
a look and let me know what output they produce when the input to the 
amp is exactly 5W.

Thanks

Jim, VE3CI

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[Elecraft] HRD for rig control

2012-01-14 Thread W2BLC
I have been using HRD for several years for rig control of my current 
XCVR and have become very accustomed to it and wish to continue its use 
with the K3. Hence, the question:

Are there any issues using HRD for rig control of the K3? I have no 
plans for digital word, so DM780 is not included in that question.

I still use real serial ports - not USB conversions.

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC



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Re: [Elecraft] K3: use of 1.8 filter - clarification

2012-01-14 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
That really IS the kicker.  I guess the point is how bad do you want/need
the cost of an extra filter.  How important would it be in the 1% condition
where the signal up or down is INSIDE the roofing filter.

In my experience from home (not the monster antennas out at N4AF), in ANY
phone contest, changing the width from 1.8 to 1.9, thus changing to the 2.7
roofer, always is a large jump in crap inside the DSP.  This is because I
just went from DSP and roofer ALIGNED SKIRTS, that drop 100+ dB in a given
width (combined) to a composite skirt that only drops 50 in the same range.
 This means that the loudness of what is just up and down JUST GOT 50 DB
LOUDER at the roofer change, because the close in skirt is now ONLY DSP
instead of DSP+roofer.

The DSP is great, but hear this, at 400 Hz, the straight selectivity of DSP
plus a CAREFULLY ALIGNED 8 pole roofer is still less than my MP with INRAD
400 Hz 8 pole filters at the 8 and 455 IF slots.

The presumption with no tight filters is that the selectivity of the DSP by
itself is enough.  Personally, my experience is that the K3 DSP, by itself,
as very excellent as it truly is, is NOWHERE near enough to deal with
contests and situations where one is trying to listen to a 0.05 uV signal
next to a 500 or 5000 millivolt signal that is JUST BARELY OUTSIDE the
passband.  It takes the DSP, as excellent as it is, TOO MANY Hz to reach
the ultimate 100 dB.  I need the FASTER DIVING COMBINED skirts of a matched
roofer and DSP skirt to knock off the content just barely up and down.

While my MP has faster diving skirts at 400 Hz using the matched INRADs,
the K3 nearly matches the skirts AND has vastly superior IMD and internal
noise.  ***BUT***  without the matched DSP and roofer skirts, particularly
if the roofer is significantly wider, there will be so much stuff let in by
the missing 50 dB of skirt inside ultimate rejection that the advantages of
the superior IMD are quashed by all the stuff now let in, and in fact, in
that particular situation, the MP would be the superior rig.  Credit where
credit is due.

When I am running at NY4A on 40 with the overwhelming signals from Europe
on the monster quad, I use the 400 roofer and DSP at 450 and the 250
roofer and DSP at 350 to get sharp aligned hard-diving skirts just above
and below.  Don't bother to tell me that some of those Italian signals are
running anywhere near 1.5 kW because I've rechecked the S meter countless
times, and something that tickles 40 over is an issue.

You COULD say, just reduce the width, and I would agree **IF** it weren't
for so very many people calling fairly well off frequency.  There are times
where I have to reduce the width from 350 to 300 or 250, where the up or
down signal is just too strong and too close and overwhelms the excellent
roofer/DSP combo at 350.  But I know I'm losing contacts.

I know this is more like a NASCAR take on tires, and some of you may be
driving the K3 like the family car.  But if you understand the NASCAR
(severe contest) issues regarding roofer selection, then you know what it's
about and can choose one way or another and know it's right for you without
being snookered.  If you occasionally take the K3 down to the race track
and want it to perform out there, you need to match DSP and roofer skirts,
and align them.

73, Guy.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:43 AM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL doug...@gmail.com wrote:

 But unless you are planning on operating in the
 midst of multiple, super strong signals, then I do not see much logic in
 getting a narrower CW filter...and certainly not a narrower SSB filter for
 SSB use.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 DUST COVERS

2012-01-14 Thread Wayne Burdick
Rose wrote:

 I've had over 50 inquiries about dust covers for the KX3
 and I'm now ready to take orders.

I have Rose's final prototype cover on my KX3. The sewn-in  
reinforcement really makes it look sharp.

The KX3 benefits more than most rigs from a dust cover because of its  
upward-facing controls.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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[Elecraft] K3: Real world use of 1.8 filter (oops)

2012-01-14 Thread Edward R. Cole
This topic has been pretty thoroughly discussed, so excuse my 
additional comments.  In summary, I think the majority feel either 
the 2.7 or 2.8 KHz filter adequate for general use, since one has 
the ability to narrow bw using DSP.

I have only the 2.8 (in both Rx) and 400-Hz filter (in the main Rx).

I do mainly weak-signal work where narrow bw is important to reduce 
white noise.  On CW-eme it is common to run at 100Hz for this 
purpose as it increases SNR.  The DSP filter handles that really well 
since the objective is to eliminate noise at the detector (which the 
DSP filter does).

A narrow roofing filter has significant use keeping strong off-freq 
RF from causing IMD, or affecting the RF gain stages.  This is 
typically found in high-density HF contests (which I do not participate in).

I chose the 8-pole filters thinking the steeper skirts might offer a 
slight advantage in crowded band conditions.  For HF CW the 400-Hz 
filter makes copy really arm-chair nice as it almost results in 
hearing only the one intended station in the passband.  On CW-eme I 
haven't decided if 400-Hz roofing filter offers any advantage over 
the DSP filter.  I suspect not.

That all being said, I did order the roofing filter for my new 
KX3.  Why?  Because I expect to travel with it to areas where that 
will be more important.  Hill-toping with it portable can expose one 
to nearby strong signals (even IF feed-thru when running with VHF-mw 
transverters).  Being a direct-conversion SDR, RF filtering is more 
important to keep out unwanted RF energy.  So roofing filters 
generally will not hurt performance if used and may help in some situations.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info somehow to
my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of having
to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second dedicated
monitor except to far left or far right.

73, Guy.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Ian White GM3SEK gm3...@ifwtech.co.ukwrote:

 Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
  Will there be a facility to export high-resolution image files via the
  USB port?

 Not yet - Still at the current resolution. but we are looking at adding
 that to the f/w.
 
 Thanks, Eric - that's as much as we expect right now.

 But longer-term, there does need to be some way to show those high-res
 images to the rest of the world! (Maybe a simple write-only process to
 a USB stick, using a system assigned filename?)


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread John Ragle
Several of us have raised this issue previously. It is one I feel VERY 
strongly about, and I believe I categorized the need to dedicate a 
display to the P3 as a disastrous and completely wrong-headed decision. 
There is no way I can dedicate shack space to yet another (a 3rd) 
monitor just for the pleasure of the P3, and the situation, as it 
stands, pretty much insures that I will not purchase the SVGA adapter.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

/=/

On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
 What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info somehow to
 my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of having
 to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second dedicated
 monitor except to far left or far right.

 73, Guy.

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[Elecraft] KX3 Covers ... additional

2012-01-14 Thread Rose
Several have asked ...

Yes, the cover allows all cables to remain
connected when the dust cover is in place.

88/73!

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread John Ragle
Bill...you need to re-read K2AV's email to the list. The point is NOT to 
make the P3 require a dedicated monitor...an A/B switch does nothing to 
change the present situation...

John Ragle -- W1ZI

/=/

On 1/14/2012 4:32 PM, Bill Adams wrote:
 Isn't it possible to use an A B switch to share a monitor between the 
 P3 and computer?

 Bill AF4B

 -Original Message- From: John Ragle
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:16 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now 
 available to order

 Several of us have raised this issue previously. It is one I feel VERY
 strongly about, and I believe I categorized the need to dedicate a
 display to the P3 as a disastrous and completely wrong-headed decision.
 There is no way I can dedicate shack space to yet another (a 3rd)
 monitor just for the pleasure of the P3, and the situation, as it
 stands, pretty much insures that I will not purchase the SVGA adapter.

 John Ragle -- W1ZI

 /=/

 On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
 What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info 
 somehow to
 my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of 
 having
 to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second 
 dedicated
 monitor except to far left or far right.

 73, Guy.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread John Ragle
The decision goes back to the earliest stage of design of the 
interface. It is my personal opinion that Elecraft made the wrong choice 
at the bifurcation of paths in the design process. An interface of the 
type mentioned by K2AV would have greatly increased utility -- broader 
applicability -- than the simpler one that requires a dedicated monitor. 
As far as I am aware, there was never a vote (as you put it) taken on 
this point...it was summarily decided by Elecraft that the P3 would 
require a dedicated monitor. I am not suggesting that design be 
generally done by vote, just that in this case, windowing the output 
makes much more sense.

As far as being a little option goes, perhaps you should examine the 
posted price -- it is scarcely a little option -- it is about 35% of the 
price of the P3 itself, and when an el cheapo monitor is added on, it 
begins to be more like 50% of the cost of the P3.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

/=/

On 1/14/2012 4:34 PM, Brian Fernandez wrote:
 The strength of your feeling on the issue registers but  why 
 is it a disastrous decision? It is just a little option you can use 
 or not use. If it does not help you, you can stick with the P3 itself. 
 Nobody is forcing you to do anything. And if a lot of folks do not buy 
 it, the company will survive. I just do not get why you feel so 
 stromgly about a small option. Wrong headed? That suggests the company 
 is going down the wrong road. If they see a market and address it, why 
 is that wrongheaded? I like the idea and am buying one. But just 
 because we voted differently on this one technical- financial issue is 
 one thing. But I do not understand why it will cause Elecraft to 
 crumble if your point of view is not selected or if you do not win.

 Brian
 K1BRF

 On Saturday, January 14, 2012, John Ragle tpcj1...@crocker.com 
 mailto:tpcj1...@crocker.com wrote:
  Several of us have raised this issue previously. It is one I feel VERY
  strongly about, and I believe I categorized the need to dedicate a
  display to the P3 as a disastrous and completely wrong-headed decision.
  There is no way I can dedicate shack space to yet another (a 3rd)
  monitor just for the pleasure of the P3, and the situation, as it
  stands, pretty much insures that I will not purchase the SVGA adapter.
 
  John Ragle -- W1ZI
 
  /=/
 
  On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
  What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info 
 somehow to
  my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of 
 having
  to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second 
 dedicated
  monitor except to far left or far right.
 
  73, Guy.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Covers ... Canada

2012-01-14 Thread Robert Galambos


what would the postage to Canada be so i can send you the right amount?

On 12-01-14 4:23 PM, Rose wrote:
 Several have asked ...

 Yes, the cover allows all cables to remain
 connected when the dust cover is in place.

 88/73!

 Rose - N7HKW
 elecraftcov...@gmail.com
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

John,

The P3 does not requires a dedicated monitor.  The SVGA adapter offers
the opportunity to use a larger, higher resolution, dedicated monitor
as an alternative to the built-in display.

You are becoming rather one-note about your desire for a windowed
display on your computer.  If you want a windowed display, get an
SDR-IQ with SpectraVue or get LP-Pan with son of PowerSDR.  Either
of those solutions provide *exactly* what you want at a much lower
cost than the P3/SVGA combination.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 1/14/2012 4:41 PM, John Ragle wrote:
 Bill...you need to re-read K2AV's email to the list. The point is NOT to
 make the P3 require a dedicated monitor...an A/B switch does nothing to
 change the present situation...

 John Ragle -- W1ZI

 /=/

 On 1/14/2012 4:32 PM, Bill Adams wrote:
 Isn't it possible to use an A B switch to share a monitor between the
 P3 and computer?

 Bill AF4B

 -Original Message- From: John Ragle
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:16 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now
 available to order

 Several of us have raised this issue previously. It is one I feel VERY
 strongly about, and I believe I categorized the need to dedicate a
 display to the P3 as a disastrous and completely wrong-headed decision.
 There is no way I can dedicate shack space to yet another (a 3rd)
 monitor just for the pleasure of the P3, and the situation, as it
 stands, pretty much insures that I will not purchase the SVGA adapter.

 John Ragle -- W1ZI

 /=/

 On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
 What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info
 somehow to
 my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of
 having
 to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second
 dedicated
 monitor except to far left or far right.

 73, Guy.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Tom Azlin N4ZPT
That is why I am looking for an SVGA frame grabber. Found several USB 
ones, an Ethernet one, and several pci versions. Some with streaming 
video software. Just searched on SVGA frame grapper and SVGA capture.

Other was was to use the Picture in Picture feature of my monitor but 
then the PC would not know it is there.

73, tom n4zp

On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
 What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info somehow to
 my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of having
 to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second dedicated
 monitor except to far left or far right.

 73, Guy.

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Re: [Elecraft] HRD for rig control

2012-01-14 Thread Ian Kahn
I used HRD for quite a while with my K3 and had absolutely no problems.  It
works fabulously, especially if you are still using real serial ports.

Hope this helps.

73,

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA
km4ik@gmail.com
K3 #231, P3 #688
On Jan 14, 2012 3:21 PM, W2BLC w2...@necoastal.net wrote:

 I have been using HRD for several years for rig control of my current
 XCVR and have become very accustomed to it and wish to continue its use
 with the K3. Hence, the question:

 Are there any issues using HRD for rig control of the K3? I have no
 plans for digital word, so DM780 is not included in that question.

 I still use real serial ports - not USB conversions.

 Thanks,

 Bill W2BLC



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Doug Turnbull
Gentlemen,
We are losing the run of ourselves.   A design decision has been made
and executed by the principals of the company.  Maybe sometime in future a
further option will be added but lets now fall out.   We all are
disappointed at times when our pets are not adopted, the remote pod in my
case.   Time to move on and hope someday Elecraft can please us all, all the
time.   No sense in getting annoyed with each other.

   73 Doug EI2CN

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Ragle
Sent: 14 January 2012 21:16
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to
order

Several of us have raised this issue previously. It is one I feel VERY 
strongly about, and I believe I categorized the need to dedicate a 
display to the P3 as a disastrous and completely wrong-headed decision. 
There is no way I can dedicate shack space to yet another (a 3rd) 
monitor just for the pleasure of the P3, and the situation, as it 
stands, pretty much insures that I will not purchase the SVGA adapter.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

/=/

On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
 What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info somehow to
 my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of having
 to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second dedicated
 monitor except to far left or far right.

 73, Guy.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Brian Alsop
What would be nice is a detachable P3 display.  Just mount the LCD 
portion anywhere you want.  This would help us desk space challenged 
guys lots.  The guts of the P3 could also then be taken off the desk top.

73 de Brian/K3KO


On 1/14/2012 21:59, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 John,

 The P3 does not requires a dedicated monitor.  The SVGA adapter offers
 the opportunity to use a larger, higher resolution, dedicated monitor
 as an alternative to the built-in display.

 You are becoming rather one-note about your desire for a windowed
 display on your computer.  If you want a windowed display, get an
 SDR-IQ with SpectraVue or get LP-Pan with son of PowerSDR.  Either
 of those solutions provide *exactly* what you want at a much lower
 cost than the P3/SVGA combination.

 73,

  ... Joe, W4TV



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Re: [Elecraft] K3: use of 1.8 filter - clarification

2012-01-14 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
`Guy,

That is a very true statement. Thanks.

73
Arie PA3A

Op 14-1-2012 21:22, Guy Olinger K2AV schreef:
 SNIP  If you occasionally take the K3 down to the race track
 and want it to perform out there, you need to match DSP and roofer skirts,
 and align them.SNIP
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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net announcement

2012-01-14 Thread Phillip Shepard
The weekly Elecraft SSB net will meet tomorrow (1/15/12) at 1800Z on 14.3035
MHz +/- QRM. I will be net control from western Oregon, and we'll try relays
to pull in the stations that I can't hear.

See you there.

73,

Phil, NS7P

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500

2012-01-14 Thread Jim Dunstan
At 03:22 PM 1/14/2012, you wrote:

Hi Doug,

I don't think it is necessary to go through the bands ... I expect 
the power gain will decrease slightly as the frequency goes up.  It 
appears that the power gain is at least 10db and as much as 13db.  It 
is possible to use the amplifier in the normal manner with standard 
100 watt radio as well as some of my favourite QRP radios.  My 
venerable Ten Tec Argonaut would easily become a 25 to 50 watt radio !!

Thanks

Jim, VE3CI

Hi Jim:  The answer is going to vary slightly by band - which one is 
of interest or do you want them all??

73,  Doug  VE3MV

- Original Message - From: Jim Dunstan jduns...@tbaytel.net
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 1:56 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500




Hi,

Out of curiosity ... those fortunate owners of the KPA500 could take
a look and let me know what output they produce when the input to the
amp is exactly 5W.

Thanks

Jim, VE3CI


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread AB3EN
If you are unhappy with the way the new P3 adapter is designed you might want
to check this gear out. http://www.rgb.com/products/DualView2/ 

For me, I think it will work fine as designed. 

73
AB3EN

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[Elecraft] K3: use of 1.8 filter - clarification

2012-01-14 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
IMHO, there are few folks in the contest world that are better
technically than Bill (W4ZV), so I would suggest that everyone take
his comments very seriously.

Bill...I do have a question or two, with respect to your statement below.

1.  Just how often do you find that you run into a situation such as
you describe below?  I don't mean simply, during every a contest, I
mean more like how often during a contest?  For how many Q's?

2.  If the really close and really strong signal is pumping your AGC,
why not just turn off the AGC and ride the RF?  This is not a
rhetorical question, because I know you do this.  So I'd like to learn
why you would, in some situations, prefer to not do that.  I would
love to learn a new trick!

3.  And just out of curiosity (on SSB), how long would you tolerate
being so close to someone who would pump your AGC?  Of course, for me
(QRP), the answer is zero seconds.  :-)

W4ZV said:
I agree IMD reduction is not a big issue on SSB but blocking dynamic
range (BDR) is the primary reason I sometimes need a narrower filter.
If you have an S9+25 SSB signal CQing next to you (sometimes the case
in  crowded contests), a narrower filter will prevent it from
de-sensing your receiver.  If part of the interfering signal falls
inside your 2.7k filter, signals on your frequency will be gain
modulated by his signal (commonly called   AGC pumping).  In this case
a narrower filter will prevent the problem.  Of course when this
happens, we still have to contend with his transmitted splatter
(typical SSB TXs run -35 dB IMD which would result in ~S7 splatter
from an S9+25 signal), but at least you can still copy signals at S7
or above (and lower when he's not transmitting).

73,  Bill
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread John Ragle
Dan...

 Thanks very much for the information...the DualView unit looks 
excellent, as do the others...

John Ragle -- W1ZI

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On 1/14/2012 9:05 PM, AB3EN wrote:
 If you are unhappy with the way the new P3 adapter is designed you might want
 to check this gear out. http://www.rgb.com/products/DualView2/

 For me, I think it will work fine as designed.

 73
 AB3EN

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: use of 1.8 filter - clarification

2012-01-14 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Pardon the misstatement in the paragraph below, I accidentally switched
units.  It should read:

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.netwrote:

 The presumption with no tight filters is that the selectivity of the DSP
 by itself is enough.  Personally, my experience is that the K3 DSP, by
 itself, as very excellent as it truly is, is NOWHERE near enough to deal
 with contests and situations where one is trying to listen to a 0.05 uV
 signal next to a 500 or 5000 ***[ uV ]*** signal that is JUST BARELY
 OUTSIDE the passband.  It takes the DSP, as excellent as it is, TOO MANY Hz
 to reach the ultimate 100 dB.  I need the FASTER DIVING COMBINED skirts of
 a matched roofer and DSP skirt to knock off the content just barely up and
 down.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: use of 1.8 filter - clarification

2012-01-14 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Can't speak for Bill, but for myself, all night long on 75 and 40 meters.
There are people that show up with amps and antennas that you almost never
hear outside of a contest.   NQ4I near Atlanta has a 12 element LPDA for
80/75 meters fixed northeast. 4 or 5 elements active on any given
frequency.  What do you suppose that's like downwind?

73, Guy.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:06 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL doug...@gmail.com wrote:

 IMHO, there are few folks in the contest world that are better
 technically than Bill (W4ZV), so I would suggest that everyone take
 his comments very seriously.

 Bill...I do have a question or two, with respect to your statement below.

 1.  Just how often do you find that you run into a situation such as
 you describe below?  I don't mean simply, during every a contest, I
 mean more like how often during a contest?  For how many Q's?

 2.  If the really close and really strong signal is pumping your AGC,
 why not just turn off the AGC and ride the RF?  This is not a
 rhetorical question, because I know you do this.  So I'd like to learn
 why you would, in some situations, prefer to not do that.  I would
 love to learn a new trick!

 3.  And just out of curiosity (on SSB), how long would you tolerate
 being so close to someone who would pump your AGC?  Of course, for me
 (QRP), the answer is zero seconds.  :-)

 W4ZV said:
 I agree IMD reduction is not a big issue on SSB but blocking dynamic
 range (BDR) is the primary reason I sometimes need a narrower filter.
 If you have an S9+25 SSB signal CQing next to you (sometimes the case
 in  crowded contests), a narrower filter will prevent it from
 de-sensing your receiver.  If part of the interfering signal falls
 inside your 2.7k filter, signals on your frequency will be gain
 modulated by his signal (commonly called   AGC pumping).  In this case
 a narrower filter will prevent the problem.  Of course when this
 happens, we still have to contend with his transmitted splatter
 (typical SSB TXs run -35 dB IMD which would result in ~S7 splatter
 from an S9+25 signal), but at least you can still copy signals at S7
 or above (and lower when he's not transmitting).

 73,  Bill
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[Elecraft] De-sensed K3 after xmit

2012-01-14 Thread Jack Berry
Anyone have a similar experience?

Only occasionally, I notice that when I end a transmission my K3 receive seems 
almost muted.  It recovers to normal sensitivity very quickly. I so far see no 
pattern to the effect that might suggest a cause. 

Thanks,
Jack - WE5ST

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Re: [Elecraft] De-sensed K3 after xmit

2012-01-14 Thread Jack Berry
No box, no squelch. 

On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:38 PM, KENT TRIMBLE, K9ZTV k9...@socket.net wrote:

 Or Squelch is on?
 
 Kent
 
 On 1/14/2012 9:15 PM, Jack Berry wrote:
 
 Anyone have a similar experience?
 
 Only occasionally, I notice that when I end a transmission my K3 receive 
 seems almost muted.  It recovers to normal sensitivity very quickly. I so 
 far see no pattern to the effect that might suggest a cause. 
 
 Thanks,
 Jack - WE5ST
 
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Re: [Elecraft] De-sensed K3 after xmit

2012-01-14 Thread n4qs
This just happened today to me during the NA QSO party on 20M.

Dave, N4QS

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Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:15:53 
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Subject: [Elecraft] De-sensed K3 after xmit

Anyone have a similar experience?

Only occasionally, I notice that when I end a transmission my K3 receive seems 
almost muted.  It recovers to normal sensitivity very quickly. I so far see no 
pattern to the effect that might suggest a cause. 

Thanks,
Jack - WE5ST

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[Elecraft] {Elecraft} KX1 Cheat sheets (by VE3HLS)

2012-01-14 Thread Arthur Gunn P.Eng.
There are references on QRP web sites related to KX1 about a set of 6 KX1 cheat 
sheets that were provided by Ken VE3HLS several years ago. Ken's computer files 
are no longer available for these sheets.

Does anyone have copies the file for these sheets?

Thanks

Art Gunn VE9BP

ag...@nbnet.nb.ca



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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2012-01-14 Thread kevinr
Good Evening,
 I am happy tonight sitting by my warm fire reading as the snow 
level mounts.  Winter finally arrived and decided to drop about two feet 
of snow on me.  Luckily there was some warning so I am ready for a few 
days without access to the outside world and possibly a power outage.  
Five days of firewood are stacked inside and I have plenty of water 
ready too.  The battery bank is charged so there is no problem with 
comms.  There is enough power in those Trojan T-105s to last well beyond 
even longer periods without electricity.

Propagation has been great this last week.  Some flutter but signals 
are good.  I have been busy reading spec sheets so have not spent much 
time with my rigs.  My electronics bench got cleaned all the way down to 
its surface and the instruments were restacked to allow more space there 
as well.  It is amazing how easy it is to find things when your desk is 
clear :)  Even SMT is not so bad because I have large sheets of 
sketching paper taped onto the desk to protect it from soldering.  Great 
for taking notes and finding that errant SMT capacitor.

Please join us tomorrow afternoon and evening.

1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help  (as well as QSP/QNP relay help)

Sunday 2300z (Sunday 3 PM PST) 14050 kHz
Monday 0100z (Sunday 5 PM PST)  7045 kHz

   Stay well,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS

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Re: [Elecraft] Real world use of 1.8 filter

2012-01-14 Thread Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Hi Bill,
My K3 #4257 had the 13KHz 8 pole, the 6KHz 8 pole, the 2.8KHz 8 Pole filter 
+ the 2.1KHz 8 pole  originally, the 400Hz 8 pole CW filter.
I swapped my 400Hz CW filter for the 1.8KHz 8 pole SSB filter I have now 
with a fellow Elecraft owner here on the list.
Once I got it, I found that I was using the 1.8KHz filter more than the 2.1 
for both contesting and rag chewing to the point where now I have removed 
the 2.1KHz filter due to non use.

YMMV but I guess it's down to individual tastes and hearing ability.

73 de
Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
East Innisfail
QLD, Australia
K3 #4257, P3 #1629, KPA-500 #161

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Subject: [Elecraft] Real world use of 1.8 filter


I am in the process of kicking tires (pre-order time) and wonder if I
 would be well advised to get the 2.8 8-pole filter and the 1.8
 additional filter for SSB?

 Most of my operating is SSB rag chew on 75 and 40 meters. I love
 arm-chair copy and do use outboard Behringer products to that end on RX
 only. The K3 is probably overkill for my use, but I think it would be
 enjoyable.

 Would I get my money's worth from the 1.8 filter? Or, would I find the
 2.8 8-pole filter used in conjunction with the DSP to be adequate?

 Thanks,

 Bill W2BLC


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