Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Geoff,

  I suppose the thing I'm trying to get at is a direct I/Q line from the
  K3... Whether a software update is possible to add this to the current
  Stereo Line-Out jack (on the back of the K3) or not.

At present, there simply *is no hardware* capable of providing a direct
I/Q output to the stereo line out jack.  Line Out audio is 0 Hz based
following the main/sub RX.  I doubt the K3 has enough processing power
to do a separate 15 KHz to 6 KHz I/Q conversion and even if it did the
output bandwidth would be severely limited by the 1st IF (roofing)
filters.

The P3 certainly has no provision for separate I/Q audio output.  Other
than the display. the entire P3 electronics would need to be duplicated
to generate an I/Q output otherwise the audio (if it could be extracted
from the P3 and there is no DAC to do so)would be limited to the span
and resolution of the P3 display.

As Tony has suggested, the proper way to get wideband I/Q audio from
the K3 is by use of a SoftRock with Clifton Labs isolation amplifier
or an LP-Pan connected to the K3's wideband IF output. Other solutions
would essentially be reinventing the Softrock or LP-Pan and any USB
based solution would likely be limited to a 48 KHz sample rate if it
used one of the commercial USB sound chips.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 5/9/2012 12:03 AM, Geoff Wolf AB3LS wrote:
 Tony,

 Yes I am aware of Softrock and LP-Pan, as well as a whole slew of other
 SDRs you could use with the K3's Buffered IF Output.

 I suppose the thing I'm trying to get at is a direct I/Q line from the
 K3... Whether a software update is possible to add this to the current
 Stereo Line-Out jack (on the back of the K3) or not.

 73
 DE AB3LS

 On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Tony Estepestept...@gmail.com  wrote:

 On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Geoff Wolf AB3LS
 liltechdud...@gmail.comwrote:

 way to get I/Q data to a computer from ...an extra module?
 =

 Well Geoff, one way is to use a Softrock-IF (a kit, available from KB9YIG
 for less than 30 bucks); another way is to use an LP-Pan (available from
 http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html).  The LP-Pan costs way more but
 has
 better dynamic range and other fancy features; nonetheless the little
 Softrock is a dynamite piece of engineering and does a great job.

 In either case you will get much better results by adding an outboard sound
 card instead of your computer's on-board card. I use an EMU0202, no longer
 made, but others are good too. You take IF out of the back of the K3 and
 feed the Softrock or LP-Pan, and get I-Q out.

 Tony KT0NY




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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Geoff Wolf AB3LS
Thanks for the input guys.

I wanted to see if this was possible. Oh well.

I'll go look at the Softrock again.

73
DE AB3LS

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:03 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:


 Geoff,


  I suppose the thing I'm trying to get at is a direct I/Q line from the
  K3... Whether a software update is possible to add this to the current
  Stereo Line-Out jack (on the back of the K3) or not.

 At present, there simply *is no hardware* capable of providing a direct
 I/Q output to the stereo line out jack.  Line Out audio is 0 Hz based
 following the main/sub RX.  I doubt the K3 has enough processing power
 to do a separate 15 KHz to 6 KHz I/Q conversion and even if it did the
 output bandwidth would be severely limited by the 1st IF (roofing)
 filters.

 The P3 certainly has no provision for separate I/Q audio output.  Other
 than the display. the entire P3 electronics would need to be duplicated
 to generate an I/Q output otherwise the audio (if it could be extracted
 from the P3 and there is no DAC to do so)would be limited to the span
 and resolution of the P3 display.

 As Tony has suggested, the proper way to get wideband I/Q audio from
 the K3 is by use of a SoftRock with Clifton Labs isolation amplifier
 or an LP-Pan connected to the K3's wideband IF output. Other solutions
 would essentially be reinventing the Softrock or LP-Pan and any USB
 based solution would likely be limited to a 48 KHz sample rate if it
 used one of the commercial USB sound chips.

 73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



 On 5/9/2012 12:03 AM, Geoff Wolf AB3LS wrote:

 Tony,

 Yes I am aware of Softrock and LP-Pan, as well as a whole slew of other
 SDRs you could use with the K3's Buffered IF Output.

 I suppose the thing I'm trying to get at is a direct I/Q line from the
 K3... Whether a software update is possible to add this to the current
 Stereo Line-Out jack (on the back of the K3) or not.

 73
 DE AB3LS

 On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Tony Estepestept...@gmail.com  wrote:

  On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Geoff Wolf AB3LS
 liltechdud...@gmail.com**wrote:

  way to get I/Q data to a computer from ...an extra module?
 =


 Well Geoff, one way is to use a Softrock-IF (a kit, available from KB9YIG
 for less than 30 bucks); another way is to use an LP-Pan (available from
 http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-**PAN.htmlhttp://www.telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html).
  The LP-Pan costs way more but
 has
 better dynamic range and other fancy features; nonetheless the little
 Softrock is a dynamite piece of engineering and does a great job.

 In either case you will get much better results by adding an outboard
 sound
 card instead of your computer's on-board card. I use an EMU0202, no
 longer
 made, but others are good too. You take IF out of the back of the K3 and
 feed the Softrock or LP-Pan, and get I-Q out.

 Tony KT0NY




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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Edward R. Cole
Geoff,

This topic was kicked around about two years ago and basically 
Elecraft said it they had no plans to provide access to the IQ ckts 
in the K3.  I'm not sure if there may be future plans to add this for 
the P3?  Since there is no hardware path then no firmware upgrade can 
switch it to a connector.  I would have loved direct digital access 
to the IQ ckts instead of buying two LP-Pan, which duplicate the IQ 
mixers in the K3 but provide base-band audio output for connection 
thru a soundcard.

I modified my K3 sub-receiver to breakout the 1st IF so I could 
connect a LP-Pan to it, as well.  From the two LP-Pan I connect a 
four-port soundcard (M-audio Delta-44) for running dual-receive 
diversity reception on Linrad SDR sw.  If I only want to use one 
receiver, I bought the emu0202 soundcard, since it can do 192-KHz bandwidth.

I bought the LP-Pan used for about half-price and also the 
emu0202.  I found the Delta-44 cheap on Amazon.com.
I document all this here:
http://www.kl7uw.com/LINRAD.htm

Its an unfinished project at this time.

73, Ed - KL7UW


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Tony,

Yes I am aware of Softrock and LP-Pan, as well as a whole slew of other
SDRs you could use with the K3's Buffered IF Output.

I suppose the thing I'm trying to get at is a direct I/Q line from the
K3... Whether a software update is possible to add this to the current
Stereo Line-Out jack (on the back of the K3) or not.

73
DE AB3LS




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Re: [Elecraft] Connecting my Elecraft K3 to a Drake L-7 amp.

2012-05-09 Thread Jim Wiley


Jerry -


The VOX connector is the transmit enable connection (PTT).  The AGC 
connection is for rigs that accept external ALC, and may not be needed 
with the K3.  Normal drive for full output is when 240 mA of grid 
current is indicated when fully loaded. 


Use the SSB setting on the plate switch for both CW and SSB.  The lower 
voltage / lower power setting is from when we were limited to 1000 watts 
CW input, 2000 watts PEP for SSB.  The amp will make about 1300 watts 
(low bands) to 900 or 1000 watts (10 meters) if you have good tubes. 


Simple adjustment procedure:  watch the power output, tune for max using 
the plate and load controls.  The panel markings will get you close 
enough to start.  Recheck the grid drive to make sure you are not 
exceeding 240 mA and you are good to go.   


Both the tubes and the power supply are very forgiving, so temporary 
overloads will be well tolerated.I have used both the L7 and its 
earlier cousin, the L4B, for many years,. and never had a problem, even 
when running full-blast key-down modes like RTTY.  


You may wish to make a mod to the fan circuit to keep the blower turning 
about half-speed at all times, instead of depending on the thermal relay 
to start the fan when the amp is getting too hot.  Simply wire a 300-ohm 
/ 25-watt resistor across the thermal switch to accomplish this.  The 
fan will still go to full speed if needed, but mush less often, and the 
amp will last much longer.  


Be sure to observe normal safety precautions when working inside the 
cabinet - disconnect the power completely, both from the wall outlet and 
the PS from the amp, including the HV connection before opening the 
cabinet. 


- Jim, KL7CC

. 

Jerry Dwyer wrote:
 I just got a good deal on a very clean Drake L-7 amp (2- 3-500Z tubes). I
 was hoping someone might know how to connect them together. The amp has the
 normal RF in and out connectors. It also has two rca connectors, one says
 VOX and the other says AGC. 

  

 Thanks for any help

  

 Jerry - NF9L

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Re: [Elecraft] Portable Antennas (near end fed)

2012-05-09 Thread David Cutter
What I particularly like about the near end fed is that you are more in 
control of the local stray capacitances and such like and you only need 
one slender wire in the sky.  I wrote a power point on the subject which 
needs a bit of massage but I can send it to you for interest.

73
David
G3UNA


On 09/05/2012 07:32, Stephen Prior wrote:
 David

 Many thanks for those references. I'm pleased that my longtime belief 
 that you simply cannot get away without a counterpoise, even a 
 'counterpoise of sorts' has been confirmed.  I really must subscribe 
 to QEX.

 73 Stephen G4SJP

 On Wednesday, 9 May 2012, David Cutter wrote:

 There are some great resources out there: I'm surprised no-one has
 mentioned the near end-fed QEX articles written by Ron W6WO or

 AA5TB http://www.aa5tb.com/efha.html

 or W8JI
 http://www.w8ji.com/end-fed_1_2_wave_matching_system_end%20feed.htm



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread k4tmc

 Regardless of how well it performs, a lot of people will want it for the 
number of front panel controls.  This must be a new record!

73,
Henry - K4TMC



 

 

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From: Bob K6UJ k...@pacbell.net
To: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?


Yes Kenwoods new TS-990S is expected to be unveiled at Dayton.
A picture and information about the TS-990S is on the on the back of the June 
2012 QST

http://qrper.com/2012/05/kenwood-publishes-first-photo-of-the-kenwood-ts-990s/

(If interested in discussing further, there is a Yahoo group for the 990 now. )

73,
Bob
K6UJ




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 TS-990S - To be unveiled at Dayton?
 
 http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/ts-990_picture/
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
I had to count the controls 4 times! I 'think' there are 140 individual 
controls on there - and that’s before we get to the menus 

There used to be a Phillips ad on UK TV, where the buyer was only interest in 
the stereo system if it had lots of 'Functions' !

73 de David, M0XDF

On 9 May 2012, at 10:43, k4...@aol.com wrote:

 
 Regardless of how well it performs, a lot of people will want it for the 
 number of front panel controls.  This must be a new record!
 
 http://qrper.com/2012/05/kenwood-publishes-first-photo-of-the-kenwood-ts-990s/

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[Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread VE3GNO Daniel
without Rob Sherwood stamp nobody will spend big $$$ for colored displays. So 
far nobody knows what is ethernet port is doing...web server? sip+codec? or 
just firmware upgrade. Also why 2 USB's...is one possible to be used for a 
keyboard? Hopefully next week we'll have some answers


VE3GNO Daniel
 


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To: k...@pacbell.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?
  

Regardless of how well it performs, a lot of people will want it for the number 
of front panel controls.  This must be a new record!

73,
Henry - K4TMC







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To: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?


Yes Kenwoods new TS-990S is expected to be
 unveiled at Dayton.
A picture and information about the TS-990S is on the on the back of the June 
2012 QST

http://qrper.com/2012/05/kenwood-publishes-first-photo-of-the-kenwood-ts-990s/

(If interested in discussing further, there is a Yahoo group for the 990 now. )

73,
Bob
K6UJ




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 TS-990S - To be unveiled at Dayton?
 
 http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/ts-990_picture/
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread Fred Smith
I was just counting the buttons and dial on the front of my FTDX-5000MP a
total of 89. If you include the scope and speakers there are adjustments for
both with them add 5 more. For the life of me I can't think of a need for
any more buttons than what are on this radio. Once the radio has been setup
the first time and the EQ setup for your voice and perimeters set I think I
have been into the menus maybe 2 dozen times in 2 years.

One bad thing about the Kenwood is the buttons are very small on the Yaesu
much larger I have big fingers it would be a problem for me. But to stick
another 50 buttons on the front of my radio I would have never bought it.

73,

Fred/N0AZZ

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 Regardless of how well it performs, a lot of people will want it for the
number of front panel controls.  This must be a new record!

73,
Henry - K4TMC



 

 

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From: Bob K6UJ k...@pacbell.net
To: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?


Yes Kenwoods new TS-990S is expected to be unveiled at Dayton.
A picture and information about the TS-990S is on the on the back of the
June
2012 QST

http://qrper.com/2012/05/kenwood-publishes-first-photo-of-the-kenwood-ts-990
s/

(If interested in discussing further, there is a Yahoo group for the 990
now. )

73,
Bob
K6UJ




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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2012 09 May 05:28 -0500, VE3GNO Daniel wrote:
 without Rob Sherwood stamp nobody will spend big $$$ for colored displays.

I beg to differ.  I have seen plenty of postings that indicate a fair
number are wanting a high end Kenwood for their shack and I think
plenty will plunk down a deposit next weekend even though it is still
almost sight unseen.

It's almost comical reading the various forums where there seems to be a
thought of anything but a K3 amongst some.  I have no doubt that
Kenwood will sell plenty '990s just as they have '590s.

Not to be snide, but the picture made me think I was looking at an Icom!

 So far nobody knows what is ethernet port is doing...web server? sip+codec? 
 or just firmware upgrade. Also why 2 USB's...is one possible to be used for a 
 keyboard? Hopefully next week we'll have some answers

Apparently there won't be a real box to play with.  From what I've read
the disply will be a mock-up with no elecronics inside.  Of course, that
information is a few weeks old by this point.

73, de Nate, N0NB 

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Re: [Elecraft] Portable Antennas (Is there an easy button?)

2012-05-09 Thread John
Indeed AA5TB EHFA's web page was an eye opener for me.

I've since studied the PAR (LNR) multi-band (40, 20 and 10) EFHW product 
with particular focus on the transformer box.

http://www.hamradio.me/antennas/lnr-precision-ef-102040mkii-examination.html 

http://www.hamradio.me/antennas/lnr-precision-ef-102040mkii-test-data.html

Of particular note are the resistance tests showing the wideband nature 
of the standalone matchbox to function from 60m to 10m with no tuning.  
This is not to imply, however, the matchbox/wire combo is multi-band.

This clever little matchbox seems like an easy button.

With that in mind, can anyone report what happens when the K2 (or any 
Elecraft) antenna tuner attempts to drive something like the LNR 
40/20/10 matchbox/wire combo on some other frequency?

Thanks.
John, kx4o

On 5/9/12 2:49 AM, David Cutter wrote:
 There are some great resources out there: I'm surprised no-one has
 mentioned the near end-fed QEX articles written by Ron W6WO or

 AA5TBhttp://www.aa5tb.com/efha.html

 or W8JI
 http://www.w8ji.com/end-fed_1_2_wave_matching_system_end%20feed.htm



 David
 G3UNA
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Re: [Elecraft] Connecting my Elecraft K3 to a Drake L-7 amp.

2012-05-09 Thread Dave
Is he going to need a relay buffer such as the ARB-704 with that amp?

Dave
wo2x


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Wiley
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:54 AM
To: Jerry Dwyer
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Connecting my Elecraft K3 to a Drake L-7 amp.



Jerry -


The VOX connector is the transmit enable connection (PTT).  The AGC
connection is for rigs that accept external ALC, and may not be needed
with the K3.  Normal drive for full output is when 240 mA of grid
current is indicated when fully loaded.


Use the SSB setting on the plate switch for both CW and SSB.  The lower
voltage / lower power setting is from when we were limited to 1000 watts
CW input, 2000 watts PEP for SSB.  The amp will make about 1300 watts
(low bands) to 900 or 1000 watts (10 meters) if you have good tubes.


Simple adjustment procedure:  watch the power output, tune for max using
the plate and load controls.  The panel markings will get you close
enough to start.  Recheck the grid drive to make sure you are not
exceeding 240 mA and you are good to go.


Both the tubes and the power supply are very forgiving, so temporary
overloads will be well tolerated.I have used both the L7 and its
earlier cousin, the L4B, for many years,. and never had a problem, even
when running full-blast key-down modes like RTTY.


You may wish to make a mod to the fan circuit to keep the blower turning
about half-speed at all times, instead of depending on the thermal relay
to start the fan when the amp is getting too hot.  Simply wire a 300-ohm
/ 25-watt resistor across the thermal switch to accomplish this.  The
fan will still go to full speed if needed, but mush less often, and the
amp will last much longer.


Be sure to observe normal safety precautions when working inside the
cabinet - disconnect the power completely, both from the wall outlet and
the PS from the amp, including the HV connection before opening the
cabinet.


- Jim, KL7CC

.

Jerry Dwyer wrote:
 I just got a good deal on a very clean Drake L-7 amp (2- 3-500Z tubes). I
 was hoping someone might know how to connect them together. The amp has 
 the
 normal RF in and out connectors. It also has two rca connectors, one says
 VOX and the other says AGC.



 Thanks for any help



 Jerry - NF9L

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread Roger de Valle
I have to agree with you Nate, I love my Elecraft k3 but I also love my
TS2000 and have always had a high regard for Kenwood, they have not made
much in the way of rubbish over the years. I suspect there is plenty of room
the market for high end Kenwood, particularly if they can do the CAT stuff
as well as the TS2000,

Roger VK3ADE 

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 21:05
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

* On 2012 09 May 05:28 -0500, VE3GNO Daniel wrote:
 without Rob Sherwood stamp nobody will spend big $$$ for colored displays.

I beg to differ.  I have seen plenty of postings that indicate a fair number
are wanting a high end Kenwood for their shack and I think plenty will
plunk down a deposit next weekend even though it is still almost sight
unseen.

It's almost comical reading the various forums where there seems to be a
thought of anything but a K3 amongst some.  I have no doubt that Kenwood
will sell plenty '990s just as they have '590s.

Not to be snide, but the picture made me think I was looking at an Icom!

 So far nobody knows what is ethernet port is doing...web server? 
 sip+codec? or just firmware upgrade. Also why 2 USB's...is one
 possible to be used for a keyboard? Hopefully next week we'll have 
 some answers

Apparently there won't be a real box to play with.  From what I've read the
disply will be a mock-up with no elecronics inside.  Of course, that
information is a few weeks old by this point.

73, de Nate, N0NB 

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Re: [Elecraft] Connecting my Elecraft K3 to a Drake L-7 amp.

2012-05-09 Thread Jorge Diez - CX6VM
Hi Jerry,

You can place an external fan on top of the power supply also.
It became very very hot in extreme conditions.

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

-Mensaje original-
De: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Jim Wiley
Enviado el: Miércoles, 09 de Mayo de 2012 04:55 a.m.
Para: Jerry Dwyer
CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] Connecting my Elecraft K3 to a Drake L-7 amp.



Jerry -


The VOX connector is the transmit enable connection (PTT).  The AGC
connection is for rigs that accept external ALC, and may not be needed with
the K3.  Normal drive for full output is when 240 mA of grid current is
indicated when fully loaded. 


Use the SSB setting on the plate switch for both CW and SSB.  The lower
voltage / lower power setting is from when we were limited to 1000 watts CW
input, 2000 watts PEP for SSB.  The amp will make about 1300 watts (low
bands) to 900 or 1000 watts (10 meters) if you have good tubes. 


Simple adjustment procedure:  watch the power output, tune for max using the
plate and load controls.  The panel markings will get you close enough to
start.  Recheck the grid drive to make sure you are not 
exceeding 240 mA and you are good to go.   


Both the tubes and the power supply are very forgiving, so temporary 
overloads will be well tolerated.I have used both the L7 and its 
earlier cousin, the L4B, for many years,. and never had a problem, even when
running full-blast key-down modes like RTTY.  


You may wish to make a mod to the fan circuit to keep the blower turning 
about half-speed at all times, instead of depending on the thermal relay 
to start the fan when the amp is getting too hot.  Simply wire a 300-ohm 
/ 25-watt resistor across the thermal switch to accomplish this.  The 
fan will still go to full speed if needed, but mush less often, and the 
amp will last much longer.  


Be sure to observe normal safety precautions when working inside the 
cabinet - disconnect the power completely, both from the wall outlet and 
the PS from the amp, including the HV connection before opening the 
cabinet. 


- Jim, KL7CC

. 

Jerry Dwyer wrote:
 I just got a good deal on a very clean Drake L-7 amp (2- 3-500Z tubes). I
 was hoping someone might know how to connect them together. The amp has
the
 normal RF in and out connectors. It also has two rca connectors, one says
 VOX and the other says AGC. 

  

 Thanks for any help

  

 Jerry - NF9L

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Re: [Elecraft] Connecting my Elecraft K3 to a Drake L-7 amp.

2012-05-09 Thread Rick Stealey

No.  Definitely not.  But he might need to set TX DLY to 20.  That delays the 
start of RF a little to give the relay in the amp time to close.  Symptom that 
it needs that adjustment is a little arc or spitting when the first bit
of RF is generated.  My L4B was doing that, and after moving TX  DLY
to a value of 20 it was ok.  Using an external relay makes matters worse.

Rick  K2XT


 Is he going to need a relay buffer such as the ARB-704 with that amp?

  
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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread Fred Smith
Your correct to this point it's still vapor ware no published findings or
even FCC approval yet. I also think that QST and Sherwood's reports will
make or break this radio as they have with all other high end radios. The
first reports will be published in Japan well ahead of here like the Yaesu
one's did with the 5000 4 mo before here. I will be compared to the FT-5000,
K3, and Flex 5000 pretty much in that order in rankings as they are
published and see where it falls.

As we all know it has a tough row to hoe with that lineup and those who do
purchase we will see if they sell them as quickly as they have the TS-590s
which I have seen even cheaper than a used TS-2000. Numbers change almost
daily in the radio market what was on top one day could fall the next just
one of those facts will look forward to see the numbers on the 990.

73,

Fred/N0AZZ

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:05 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

* On 2012 09 May 05:28 -0500, VE3GNO Daniel wrote:
 without Rob Sherwood stamp nobody will spend big $$$ for colored displays.

I beg to differ.  I have seen plenty of postings that indicate a fair number
are wanting a high end Kenwood for their shack and I think plenty will
plunk down a deposit next weekend even though it is still almost sight
unseen.

It's almost comical reading the various forums where there seems to be a
thought of anything but a K3 amongst some.  I have no doubt that Kenwood
will sell plenty '990s just as they have '590s.

Not to be snide, but the picture made me think I was looking at an Icom!

 So far nobody knows what is ethernet port is doing...web server? 
 sip+codec? or just firmware upgrade. Also why 2 USB's...is one 
 possible to be used for a keyboard? Hopefully next week we'll have 
 some answers

Apparently there won't be a real box to play with.  From what I've read the
disply will be a mock-up with no elecronics inside.  Of course, that
information is a few weeks old by this point.

73, de Nate, N0NB 

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread VE3GNO Daniel
Jezzcrazzzy world...more buttons means more performance loool. What's next 
3D LCD display with espresso machine build in the radio? Don't wanna go more 
with paranoia...but I don't resist...a little blue ray recorder maybe :-)))
Let me tell you guys, something that none of the big 3's K,Y,I won't be ever 
able to offer us...customer support like Elecraft...regardless how many bags of 
buttons and to go further with confessions, that's why I stick with Elecraft 

VE3GNO Daniel
 


 From: Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com
To: k4...@aol.com; k...@pacbell.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 6:43:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?
  
I was just counting the buttons and dial on the front of my FTDX-5000MP a
total of 89. If you include the scope and speakers there are adjustments for
both with them add 5 more. For the life of me I can't think of a need for
any more buttons than what are on this radio. Once the radio has been setup
the first time and the EQ setup for your voice and perimeters set I think I
have been into the menus maybe 2 dozen times in 2 years.

One bad thing about the Kenwood is the buttons are very small on the Yaesu
much larger I have big fingers it would be a problem for me. But to stick
another 50 buttons on the front of my radio I would have never bought it.

73,

Fred/N0AZZ

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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:44 AM
To: k...@pacbell.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?


Regardless of how well it performs, a lot of people will want it for the
number of front panel controls.  This must be a new record!

73,
Henry - K4TMC







-Original Message-
From: Bob K6UJ k...@pacbell.net
To: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?


Yes Kenwoods new TS-990S is expected to be unveiled at Dayton.
A picture and information about the TS-990S is on the on the back of the
June
2012 QST

http://qrper.com/2012/05/kenwood-publishes-first-photo-of-the-kenwood-ts-990
s/

(If interested in discussing further, there is a Yahoo group for the 990
now. )

73,
Bob
K6UJ




On May 8, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

 TS-990S - To be unveiled at Dayton?
 
 http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/ts-990_picture/
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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Mike Schwendeman
Geoff;

As far as I know, the K3 is NOT an SDR.  (Search the Elecraft web site 
for better information; If it were an SDR, I am very sure that the folks 
at Elecraft would be very sure to mention this.)  The KX3 is reported to 
be an SDR, and is, per the block diagram.

I am also very interested in an easy way to get a version of PowerSDR 
to operate with the KX3's I/Q outputs.  This is a very new field for a 
lot of folks, and so there will be a learning curve.  But the results 
are well worth the effort.  (Me, I'm fighting mirror images on some 
apps, using a low-cost SDR RX..!)

73;-Mike-KØJTA


On 5/8/12 10:14 PM, Geoff Wolf AB3LS wrote:
 I've done a little searching.
  (snip) 
 Since the K3 is an SDR and the P3 is an SDR, I imagine there has to be a
 way to get I/Q data to a computer from either of them, either through a
 software update or an extra module. Am I right?

 Is anything like this planned?

 73
 DE AB3LS

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread drewko
Looking at the TS990s it seems I  have set up my K3 band buttons in a
sequence that could not be more different (vertical columns, high freq
to low, WARC bands segregated in righthand column; though 6m is the
same button on both...). Not sure I could get used to the sequence on
the TS-990, so guess I'll stick with my K3, hahah..

I think they have jumped the shark with these 100+ button rigs. At
this point if the legends on my K3 controls disappeared I would hardly
miss them. Not sure I'd ever reach that level of operational ease with
one of these button farm rigs. 

It would be nice to have a built-in PSU, but that feature doesn't
matter much with stationary rigs that aren't going to budge from the
time they are unpacked to the time they are traded. A built-in PS
would be a lot more appealing in a grab-and-go portable rig.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On Wed, 09 May 2012 05:06:00 -0700 (PDT), VE3GNO Daniel wrote:

Jezzcrazzzy world...more buttons means more performance loool. What's next 
3D LCD display with espresso machine build in the radio? Don't wanna go more 
with paranoia...but I don't resist...a little blue ray recorder maybe :-)))
Let me tell you guys, something that none of the big 3's K,Y,I won't be ever 
able to offer us...customer support like Elecraft...regardless how many 
bags of buttons and to go further with confessions, that's why I stick with 
Elecraft 

VE3GNO Daniel
 


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Re: [Elecraft] Connecting my Elecraft K3 to a Drake L-7 amp.

2012-05-09 Thread hawley, charles j jr
The AGC is an input for letting the transceiver control the output power of the 
L7 which you don't need if you adjust your transceiver to a low output suitable 
for driving the L7.
The VOX is the keying control for the amp. Pull low (ground) to transmit.


Chuck, KE9UW
aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles BMWMOA #224


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on 
behalf of Jerry Dwyer [jdw...@ptsnetwork.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:55 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting my Elecraft K3 to a Drake L-7 amp.

I just got a good deal on a very clean Drake L-7 amp (2- 3-500Z tubes). I
was hoping someone might know how to connect them together. The amp has the
normal RF in and out connectors. It also has two rca connectors, one says
VOX and the other says AGC.



Thanks for any help



Jerry - NF9L

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Re: [Elecraft] Connecting my Elecraft K3 to a Drake L-7 amp.

2012-05-09 Thread Jim Wiley

The AGC connection is an OUTPUT from the amp to the transceiver, not an 
input.


Its purpose is to lower the gain, and thus the power output from the 
exciter when the amp is overdriven. 


On the L4B / L7 series amplifiers, the way to set it to adjust the amp 
for max output, then back of the AGC / ALC adjustment control until the 
amp just begins to reduce power.  However, as several have said, it may 
not be needed when driving the amp with a K3.   The operator can see in 
an instant which way the control works by rotating it from one limit to 
the other, and then adjusting it as per the first sentence of this 
paragraph. . 


Some on the air checking, as well as using a scope to monitor the 
transmitted output waveform will help the operator determine whether or 
not AGC / ALC is needed.


- Jim, KL7CC



hawley, charles j jr wrote:
 The AGC is an input for letting the transceiver control the output power of 
 the L7 which you don't need if you adjust your transceiver to a low output 
 suitable for driving the L7.
 The VOX is the keying control for the amp. Pull low (ground) to transmit.


 Chuck, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles BMWMOA #224

 
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on 
 behalf of Jerry Dwyer [jdw...@ptsnetwork.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:55 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting my Elecraft K3 to a Drake L-7 amp.

 I just got a good deal on a very clean Drake L-7 amp (2- 3-500Z tubes). I
 was hoping someone might know how to connect them together. The amp has the
 normal RF in and out connectors. It also has two rca connectors, one says
 VOX and the other says AGC.



 Thanks for any help



 Jerry - NF9L

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[Elecraft] VE7CC Cluster

2012-05-09 Thread Dyarnes
Anybody besides me having trouble pulling up the VE7CC  DX cluster this 
morning

Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] VE7CC Cluster

2012-05-09 Thread Tony Estep
yep. Maybe maintenance or something.

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 Anybody besides me having trouble pulling up the VE7CC  DX cluster this
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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Arthur Burke
The folks at Elecraft *have* mentioned this - they have often made
reference to it as an SDR - not that it really matters to me one way or the
other.

Art - N4PJ



On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Schwendeman m...@s3com.net wrote:

 Geoff;

 As far as I know, the K3 is NOT an SDR.  (Search the Elecraft web site
 for better information; If it were an SDR, I am very sure that the folks
 at Elecraft would be very sure to mention this.)  The KX3 is reported to
 be an SDR, and is, per the block diagram.

 I am also very interested in an easy way to get a version of PowerSDR
 to operate with the KX3's I/Q outputs.  This is a very new field for a
 lot of folks, and so there will be a learning curve.  But the results
 are well worth the effort.  (Me, I'm fighting mirror images on some
 apps, using a low-cost SDR RX..!)

 73;-Mike-KØJTA


 On 5/8/12 10:14 PM, Geoff Wolf AB3LS wrote:
  I've done a little searching.
   (snip) 
  Since the K3 is an SDR and the P3 is an SDR, I imagine there has to be a
  way to get I/Q data to a computer from either of them, either through a
  software update or an extra module. Am I right?
 
  Is anything like this planned?
 
  73
  DE AB3LS
 
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Re: [Elecraft] VE7CC Cluster

2012-05-09 Thread Arthur Burke
My wife and I have both been having problems. Course, we're in the same
household :)

Art - N4PJ (and Marsha, in absentia, N4BU)



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 Anybody besides me having trouble pulling up the VE7CC  DX cluster this
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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
The hardware is not there to do what you wish.  It would take a hardware 
mod and there is little space for that.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/9/2012 12:03 AM, Geoff Wolf AB3LS wrote:
 Tony,

 Yes I am aware of Softrock and LP-Pan, as well as a whole slew of other
 SDRs you could use with the K3's Buffered IF Output.

 I suppose the thing I'm trying to get at is a direct I/Q line from the
 K3... Whether a software update is possible to add this to the current
 Stereo Line-Out jack (on the back of the K3) or not.

 73
 DE AB3LS

 On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Tony Estepestept...@gmail.com  wrote:

 On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Geoff Wolf AB3LS
 liltechdud...@gmail.comwrote:

 way to get I/Q data to a computer from ...an extra module?
 =
 Well Geoff, one way is to use a Softrock-IF (a kit, available from KB9YIG
 for less than 30 bucks); another way is to use an LP-Pan (available from
 http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html).  The LP-Pan costs way more but
 has
 better dynamic range and other fancy features; nonetheless the little
 Softrock is a dynamite piece of engineering and does a great job.

 In either case you will get much better results by adding an outboard sound
 card instead of your computer's on-board card. I use an EMU0202, no longer
 made, but others are good too. You take IF out of the back of the K3 and
 feed the Softrock or LP-Pan, and get I-Q out.

 Tony KT0NY




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
Comes with a case of contact cleaner, right?  73, de Jim KG0KP

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From: David Ferrington, M0XDF m0...@alphadene.co.uk
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?


I had to count the controls 4 times! I 'think' there are 140 individual 
controls on there - and that’s before we get to the menus 

There used to be a Phillips ad on UK TV, where the buyer was only interest 
in the stereo system if it had lots of 'Functions' !

73 de David, M0XDF

On 9 May 2012, at 10:43, k4...@aol.com wrote:


 Regardless of how well it performs, a lot of people will want it for the 
 number of front panel controls.  This must be a new record!

 http://qrper.com/2012/05/kenwood-publishes-first-photo-of-the-kenwood-ts-990s/

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread VE3GNO Daniel
Guys,
 
I want to ring the bell to ham comunity abt new fancy radios with LED/OLED 
displays. In the last half year or so I've seen on FT5K forum lots of people 
complaining abt OLED display failure and I owne one...that scare me a lot. 
Being involved in RD for over 20 years mostly in enterprise telecom I've 
notticed in the last year a massive invation of consumer grade  components into 
the enterprise/professional grade equipement. Starting with near suicide 
initiative BYOD (bring your own crappy device at work) an going forward with 
cost reduction lifecycle- a mandatory step in any lifecycle product, the MTBF 
of most critical components, like displays, encoders, mechanical components, 
start falling down dramatically. When you spend  few hundred bucks for a 
smartphone that anyway sooner or later in max 2 years you'll change it is not 
so severe but when you spend 5K+++ for a radio and after 2 years your displays 
are going down and guess what? that display
 is already obsolate part that scares me a lot. I am so happy the K3 does NOT 
have any tft/lcd/led display build in and I hope the next K line generation 
will avoid this big mistake of embedding displays in the radio and will stay 
like this. Just my 2 cents regarding new fancy color tv transceiver from 
kenwood. I have a strange feeling that we won't see aging this new transceivers 
generation on our desk and will become a consumer product like a coffee maker 
or toasterso sad

VE3GNO Daniel



From: Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com
To: 'Nate Bargmann' n...@n0nb.us; elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:47:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

Your correct to this point it's still vapor ware no published findings or
even FCC approval yet. I also think that QST and Sherwood's reports will
make or break this radio as they have with all other high end radios. The
first reports will be published in Japan well ahead of here like the Yaesu
one's did with the 5000 4 mo before here. I will be compared to the FT-5000,
K3, and Flex 5000 pretty much in that order in rankings as they are
published and see where it falls.

As we all know it has a tough row to hoe with that lineup and those who do
purchase we will see if they sell them as quickly as they have the TS-590s
which I have seen even cheaper than a used TS-2000. Numbers change almost
daily in the radio market what was on top one day could fall the next just
one of those facts will look forward to see the numbers on the 990.

73,

Fred/N0AZZ

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:05 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

* On 2012 09 May 05:28 -0500, VE3GNO Daniel wrote:
 without Rob Sherwood stamp nobody will spend big $$$ for colored displays.

I beg to differ.  I have seen plenty of postings that indicate a fair number
are wanting a high end Kenwood for their shack and I think plenty will
plunk down a deposit next weekend even though it is still almost sight
unseen.

It's almost comical reading the various forums where there seems to be a
thought of anything but a K3 amongst some.  I have no doubt that Kenwood
will sell plenty '990s just as they have '590s.

Not to be snide, but the picture made me think I was looking at an Icom!

 So far nobody knows what is ethernet port is doing...web server? 
 sip+codec? or just firmware upgrade. Also why 2 USB's...is one 
 possible to be used for a keyboard? Hopefully next week we'll have 
 some answers

Apparently there won't be a real box to play with.  From what I've read the
disply will be a mock-up with no elecronics inside.  Of course, that
information is a few weeks old by this point.

73, de Nate, N0NB 

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Re: [Elecraft] VE7CC Cluster

2012-05-09 Thread W2LE
Same thing here.

Paul  W2LE

On 5/9/2012 09:37, Dyarnes wrote:
 Anybody besides me having trouble pulling up the VE7CC  DX cluster this
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 Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
The K3 *is* an SDR as long as one defines an SDR to be a radio whose 
functions are defined by software (firmware).
If your view of SDR is a radio that must connect to a computer 
soundcard, then the K3 will not qualify because the computer is inside 
the K3 in the form of dedicated processors.

Any radio that uses DSP for modulation, demodulation and filtering (plus 
other things like NR and NB) is an SDR as far as I am concerned - as 
long as the software to do those functions can be changed.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/9/2012 9:52 AM, Arthur Burke wrote:
 The folks at Elecraft *have* mentioned this - they have often made
 reference to it as an SDR - not that it really matters to me one way or the
 other.

 Art - N4PJ



 On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Schwendemanm...@s3com.net  wrote:

 Geoff;

 As far as I know, the K3 is NOT an SDR.  (Search the Elecraft web site
 for better information; If it were an SDR, I am very sure that the folks
 at Elecraft would be very sure to mention this.)  The KX3 is reported to
 be an SDR, and is, per the block diagram.

 I am also very interested in an easy way to get a version of PowerSDR
 to operate with the KX3's I/Q outputs.  This is a very new field for a
 lot of folks, and so there will be a learning curve.  But the results
 are well worth the effort.  (Me, I'm fighting mirror images on some
 apps, using a low-cost SDR RX..!)

 73;-Mike-KØJTA

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Re: [Elecraft] VE7CC Cluster

2012-05-09 Thread D Joyce
Yes - nothing here since 1103Z.

73,  Doug  VE3MV
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Subject: [Elecraft] VE7CC Cluster


 Anybody besides me having trouble pulling up the VE7CC  DX cluster this 
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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Matt Zilmer
If you decide to use the KX3's I/Q output, be sure that the 2.5mm
plug's 'shoulder' doesn't interfere with the top cover.  There is a
cutout for the RX I/Q jack but it's not designed for Radio Shack
adapters (too wide).  Some molded cables also have this problem.

HDSDR works fine with the KX3, using the I/Q output.  You'll want to
add some isolation though.  The KX3 doesn't have its own isolation
transformers because of mechanical design constraints.  With the K3,
isolation is built-in.

FWIW, both radios are SDRs, their behavior being completely dictated
by loadable software.  Without software, both rigs are very robust
hardware platforms, but a bit lacking in functionality

73,
matt W6NIA
KX3 #6
K3 #24

On Wed, 09 May 2012 08:01:05 -0500, you wrote:

Geoff;

As far as I know, the K3 is NOT an SDR.  (Search the Elecraft web site 
for better information; If it were an SDR, I am very sure that the folks 
at Elecraft would be very sure to mention this.)  The KX3 is reported to 
be an SDR, and is, per the block diagram.

I am also very interested in an easy way to get a version of PowerSDR 
to operate with the KX3's I/Q outputs.  This is a very new field for a 
lot of folks, and so there will be a learning curve.  But the results 
are well worth the effort.  (Me, I'm fighting mirror images on some 
apps, using a low-cost SDR RX..!)

73;-Mike-KØJTA


On 5/8/12 10:14 PM, Geoff Wolf AB3LS wrote:
 I've done a little searching.
  (snip) 
 Since the K3 is an SDR and the P3 is an SDR, I imagine there has to be a
 way to get I/Q data to a computer from either of them, either through a
 software update or an extra module. Am I right?

 Is anything like this planned?

 73
 DE AB3LS

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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Mike Schwendeman

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Re: [Elecraft] VE7CC Cluster

2012-05-09 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
If you are pull up one of the others.  This is why we have other nodes.

Mike W0MU

W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net


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 Anybody besides me having trouble pulling up the VE7CC  DX cluster this
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Re: [Elecraft] Portable Antennas (Is there an easy button?)

2012-05-09 Thread Joseph Trombino, Jr
Howdy John:

I use the PAR 40/20/10 for my field ops...I loaded this antenna up on 15M using 
the KAT2 tuner in my K2 and worked some DX with it.

It loaded up easily and seemed to perform OK on 15Mso I guess it is 
possible.

73, Joe W2KJ
I QRP, therefore I am


 Indeed AA5TB EHFA's web page was an eye opener for me.
 
 I've since studied the PAR (LNR) multi-band (40, 20 and 10) EFHW product 
 with particular focus on the transformer box.
 
 http://www.hamradio.me/antennas/lnr-precision-ef-102040mkii-examination.html 
 
 http://www.hamradio.me/antennas/lnr-precision-ef-102040mkii-test-data.html
 
 Of particular note are the resistance tests showing the wideband nature 
 of the standalone matchbox to function from 60m to 10m with no tuning.  
 This is not to imply, however, the matchbox/wire combo is multi-band.
 
 This clever little matchbox seems like an easy button.
 
 With that in mind, can anyone report what happens when the K2 (or any 
 Elecraft) antenna tuner attempts to drive something like the LNR 
 40/20/10 matchbox/wire combo on some other frequency?
 
 Thanks.
 John, kx4o
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread Fred Smith
Well 26 months and still counting and not a single glitch with my FT-5000,
never know about tomorrow. But that can happen with a Rolls Royce or a
Volkswagen. I don't care what it is components fail all radios can have that
faults no one's left out in that either.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of VE3GNO Daniel
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:05 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

Guys,
 
I want to ring the bell to ham comunity abt new fancy radios with LED/OLED
displays. In the last half year or so I've seen on FT5K forum lots of people
complaining abt OLED display failure and I owne one...that scare me a lot.
Being involved in RD for over 20 years mostly in enterprise telecom I've
notticed in the last year a massive invation of consumer grade  components
into the enterprise/professional grade equipement. Starting with near
suicide initiative BYOD (bring your own crappy device at work) an going
forward with cost reduction lifecycle- a mandatory step in any lifecycle
product, the MTBF of most critical components, like displays, encoders,
mechanical components, start falling down dramatically. When you spend  few
hundred bucks for a smartphone that anyway sooner or later in max 2 years
you'll change it is not so severe but when you spend 5K+++ for a radio and
after 2 years your displays are going down and guess what? that display  is
already obsolate part that scares me a lot. I am so happy the K3 does NOT
have any tft/lcd/led display build in and I hope the next K line generation
will avoid this big mistake of embedding displays in the radio and will stay
like this. Just my 2 cents regarding new fancy color tv transceiver from
kenwood. I have a strange feeling that we won't see aging this new
transceivers generation on our desk and will become a consumer product like
a coffee maker or toasterso sad

VE3GNO Daniel



From: Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com
To: 'Nate Bargmann' n...@n0nb.us; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:47:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

Your correct to this point it's still vapor ware no published findings or
even FCC approval yet. I also think that QST and Sherwood's reports will
make or break this radio as they have with all other high end radios. The
first reports will be published in Japan well ahead of here like the Yaesu
one's did with the 5000 4 mo before here. I will be compared to the FT-5000,
K3, and Flex 5000 pretty much in that order in rankings as they are
published and see where it falls.

As we all know it has a tough row to hoe with that lineup and those who do
purchase we will see if they sell them as quickly as they have the TS-590s
which I have seen even cheaper than a used TS-2000. Numbers change almost
daily in the radio market what was on top one day could fall the next just
one of those facts will look forward to see the numbers on the 990.

73,

Fred/N0AZZ

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:05 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

* On 2012 09 May 05:28 -0500, VE3GNO Daniel wrote:
 without Rob Sherwood stamp nobody will spend big $$$ for colored displays.

I beg to differ.  I have seen plenty of postings that indicate a fair number
are wanting a high end Kenwood for their shack and I think plenty will
plunk down a deposit next weekend even though it is still almost sight
unseen.

It's almost comical reading the various forums where there seems to be a
thought of anything but a K3 amongst some.  I have no doubt that Kenwood
will sell plenty '990s just as they have '590s.

Not to be snide, but the picture made me think I was looking at an Icom!

 So far nobody knows what is ethernet port is doing...web server? 
 sip+codec? or just firmware upgrade. Also why 2 USB's...is one
 possible to be used for a keyboard? Hopefully next week we'll have 
 some answers

Apparently there won't be a real box to play with.  From what I've read the
disply will be a mock-up with no elecronics inside.  Of course, that
information is a few weeks old by this point.

73, de Nate, N0NB 

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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Mike Schwendeman

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

2012-05-09 Thread Tom Azlin N4ZPT
Have you emailed or called Elecraft directly to see if they already have 
a set up version that fits Thailand?  Seems like a question for the 
factory not the list.

Their factory configuration set up program might be able to turn off 6m.

73, tom n4zpt

On 5/8/2012 2:10 PM, ussv dharma wrote:
 I am moving to HS0...they do not allow K3 import because it has 6 meters (not 
 allowed in thailand).  Is there a way to eliminate 6 meters from my K3 so I 
 can try to get it type accepted?  They do allow the K2.


 If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!!

 Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm  AFA9SM
   USSV DHARMA

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LiNiCo 12v 3.6 Ah Battery Pack

2012-05-09 Thread Ignacy
This battery has 16.8V max, well too much for 12V devices.

There options.
1. Charge this battery to 15V max accepting lower charge.
2. Use 3 pcs battery accepting lower power. I use similar for K2, with good
life but lower power. 
3. Use LiFePO3 that seems to be safer but heavier and have nearly flat
discharge curve of around 12V. Also it can be charged by normal chargers for
12V lead acid batteries. 

I bought 12V 20A unit from battery space (now around $140) and it works very
well.

Ignacy

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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Mike Schwendeman

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

2012-05-09 Thread Matt Murphy
Depending on how thorough the screening is, it might also suffice to
disable 6m in the config menu.

-Matt NQ6N

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT t...@n4zpt.org wrote:

 Have you emailed or called Elecraft directly to see if they already have
 a set up version that fits Thailand?  Seems like a question for the
 factory not the list.

 Their factory configuration set up program might be able to turn off 6m.

 73, tom n4zpt

 On 5/8/2012 2:10 PM, ussv dharma wrote:
  I am moving to HS0...they do not allow K3 import because it has 6 meters
 (not allowed in thailand).  Is there a way to eliminate 6 meters from my K3
 so I can try to get it type accepted?  They do allow the K2.
 
 
  If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're
 headed!!
 
  Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm  AFA9SM
USSV DHARMA

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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Mike Schwendeman
FOURTH try… (!!)
This time, I have copied the text, and placed it into a text editor. I 
converted (saved it as) a plain TEXT DOCUMENT. (Maybe some formatting 
has entered..?)

I have also removed all TABS, which were in the previous attempts.

I am making this latest attempt on a different machine, different OS, etc.

Mike
KØJTA

The THird try below was sent my be at 10:17 AM, central time.
==

Third try... (Still am puzzled by my two previous attempts that showed 
that I had posted, but there was no content.) Art, I am CC'ing this to 
you, also; Can you identify my error, please? (Thank you.)
-Mike- KØJTA
=== (The following was sent by me at about 0936, my time) =

Hmmm For some reason, the TEXT of this email (sent at my time of 
09:23 AM) was not viewable on the Elecraft reflector. (!) I will trim a 
bit off, and see if this helps.
-Mike- KØJTA


On 5/9/12 9:23 AM, Mike Schwendeman wrote:
Hi, Art;

I may be wrong on this, but I have (in the past) looked at each and 
every page on the Elecraft web site, looking for SDR and defined and 
the like. I was unable to locate these (or similar) terms. Had I missed 
a page?

I am ASSUMING that the good folks at Elecraft would be extremely happy 
to use the coveted SDR term in the description of the K3. Yet, I have 
missed it, if it is there.

To me, the K3 is not an SDR for so many reasons, to be GENTLY honest. 
The KX3 is an SDR, per the block diagram, however.

-Mike-

On 5/9/12 8:52 AM, Arthur Burke wrote:
The folks at Elecraft *have* mentioned this - they have often made 
reference to it as an SDR - not that it really matters to me one way or 
the other.

Art - N4PJ



On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Schwendeman ‪m...@s3com.net‬ wrote:
Geoff;

As far as I know, the K3 is NOT an SDR... (Snipped) ...

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC improvements (MCU rev 4.50 / DSP 2.74)

2012-05-09 Thread VE3GNO Daniel
Hi Guys,
 
Is any new  alpha fw version? I was looking into my yesterday emails but 
could't find it, I am still on 4.50/2.74. Anything new?

VE3GNO Daniel





From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 10:59:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC improvements (MCU rev 4.50 / DSP 2.74)

Just a reminder: There will be further improved K3 firmware available  
later today. It will allow NR and autonotch at all settings, and will  
fix the audio-dropout problem some have reported.

Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Mike Schwendeman
Wow...
That was easy, right?

It turns out that I had sent the email as usual, formatted as auto 
detect.  It turns out that some recipients are able to deal with the 
auto term easier than others.  (I don't know what else to say.  I am 
active on other groups...)

Well, so be it.  Lesson learned by me.  This email ( as was my past one) 
is now solidly ASSIGNED to be PLAIN TEXT ONLY, per the settings in my 
Thunderbird email application on my MacBook AIR.  (So, we shall see if 
even THIS one will pass the test.)

Very sorry for my past failed attempts.  I am happy to learn of the 
needs of this reflector.  I am still puzzled that the very FIRST reply 
had gone through all right; -Perhaps there was a precedent set by my 
action of the reply of the (already formatted) content of the reflector.

Tank you for your collective tolerance.

73;-Mike-KØJTA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC improvements (MCU rev 4.50 / DSP 2.74)

2012-05-09 Thread Wayne Burdick
Still testing.

Wayne

On May 9, 2012, at 8:42 AM, VE3GNO Daniel wrote:

 Hi Guys,

 Is any new  alpha fw version? I was looking into my yesterday emails  
 but could't find it, I am still on 4.50/2.74. Anything new?

 VE3GNO Daniel

 
 From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 10:59:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC improvements (MCU rev 4.50 / DSP 2.74)

 Just a reminder: There will be further improved K3 firmware available
 later today. It will allow NR and autonotch at all settings, and will
 fix the audio-dropout problem some have reported.

 Wayne
 N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LiNiCo 12v 3.6 Ah Battery Pack

2012-05-09 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
This looks like an interesting battery pack.

www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170794794136ssPageName=ADME:B:WNAFP:US:1123

Phil - AD5X 

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Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Mike,

The software used for the Elecraft reflector strips HTML.  Thus if your
e-mail program is configured to send HTML only, the message will be blank.

To answer your question:

 I may be wrong on this, but I have (in the past) looked at each and
 every page on the Elecraft web site, looking for SDR and defined
 and the like. I was unable to locate these (or similar) terms. Had I
 missed a page?

While Elecraft do not specifically state the K3 is an SDR on the
web site, Eric, Wayne and Lyle have all referred to it as such on
the reflector.

The definition of software defined radio as given at Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software-defined_radio) is:

 A software-defined radio system, or SDR, is a radio communication
 system where components that have been typically implemented in
 hardware (e.g. mixers, filters, amplifiers, modulators/demodulators,
 detectors, etc.) are instead implemented by means of software on a
 personal computer or embedded computing devices.[1] While the concept
 of SDR is not new, the rapidly evolving capabilities of digital
 electronics render practical many processes which used to be only
 theoretically possible.

While there are SDRs that use a minimum of dedicated RF hardware with
most of the control and processing preformed by *software* running on
a general purpose processor (e.g, IBM PC or Macintosh) platform,
an SDR may also be implemented by running code on a dedicated processor
in the device (e.g. Elecraft K3, or any other transceiver that can be
significantly modified by uploading new firmware).

There is currently no commercially manufactured amateur HF rig that
is 100% SDR.  Every one, from the Flex-5000 to KX3 uses a different
mix of dedicated hardware and processor based functions.  However,
nearly every transceiver currently offered contains some decree of
SDR elements.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 5/9/2012 11:30 AM, Mike Schwendeman wrote:
 FOURTH try… (!!) This time, I have copied the text, and placed it
 into a text editor. I converted (saved it as) a plain TEXT DOCUMENT.
 (Maybe some formatting has entered..?)

 I have also removed all TABS, which were in the previous attempts.

 I am making this latest attempt on a different machine, different OS,
 etc.

 Mike KØJTA

 The THird try below was sent my be at 10:17 AM, central time.
 ==

 Third try... (Still am puzzled by my two previous attempts that
 showed that I had posted, but there was no content.) Art, I am CC'ing
 this to you, also; Can you identify my error, please? (Thank you.)
 -Mike- KØJTA === (The following was sent by me at about 0936, my
 time) =

 Hmmm For some reason, the TEXT of this email (sent at my time of
 09:23 AM) was not viewable on the Elecraft reflector. (!) I will trim
 a bit off, and see if this helps. -Mike- KØJTA


 On 5/9/12 9:23 AM, Mike Schwendeman wrote: Hi, Art;

 I may be wrong on this, but I have (in the past) looked at each and
 every page on the Elecraft web site, looking for SDR and defined
 and the like. I was unable to locate these (or similar) terms. Had I
 missed a page?

 I am ASSUMING that the good folks at Elecraft would be extremely
 happy to use the coveted SDR term in the description of the K3.
 Yet, I have missed it, if it is there.

 To me, the K3 is not an SDR for so many reasons, to be GENTLY
 honest. The KX3 is an SDR, per the block diagram, however.

 -Mike-

 On 5/9/12 8:52 AM, Arthur Burke wrote: The folks at Elecraft *have*
 mentioned this - they have often made reference to it as an SDR - not
 that it really matters to me one way or the other.

 Art - N4PJ



 On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Mike Schwendeman ‪m...@s3com.net‬
 wrote: Geoff;

 As far as I know, the K3 is NOT an SDR... (Snipped)
 ...

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LiNiCo 12v 3.6 Ah Battery Pack

2012-05-09 Thread Michael Babineau
Phil et al :

I have a couple of these Blue Li-ion batteries (a 4300 mAh and the 9800 mAh 
as listed) and 
they work ok, although it is my gut feeling is that the capacity is somewhat 
overstated. 

The supplied charger is dumb (I think it is just a cheap switching supply)  
so it appears that the overcharge protection 
circuitry in the battery is relied on to prevent overcharging. Some folks on 
the NA SOTA list have
claimed that these batteries don't seem to last very long.  I have been using 
mine for about a year with no issues. 
For the cost, I have been pleased with the ones that I have purchased.  

The power plug is compatible with Elecraft rigs and the Li-ion chemistry stands 
up better in the cold than the 
AA NiMh batteries I was using previously to power my K1 and KX1for portable 
outings.

Michael VE3WMB / VA2NB

From: Phil  Debbie Salas dpsa...@tx.rr.com
Date: May 9, 2012 11:52:06 AM EDT
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LiNiCo 12v 3.6 Ah Battery Pack


This looks like an interesting battery pack.

www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170794794136ssPageName=ADME:B:WNAFP:US:1123

Phil - AD5X 
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Re: [Elecraft] New KX1 low power and 20m oscillation

2012-05-09 Thread IanMW

Stan Gibbs wrote
 
 Don, I tried your experiment but it had no effect. I just grounded point A
 because it is damn hard to jumper Q7.  R28 measures good and is well
 soldered.  It has -0.25V or so on the base side and 5.5V on the other
 during transmit.
 
 I also tried reducing the drive pot and, while the signal definitely
 declined in amplitude, the sidebands were still present.
 
 Could this just be an artifact of using my K3/P3 to view the waveform?  If
 so, why would the 40m signal be so different?
 

Stan,

Just to recap my earlier thoughts, I think your Q7 is fine, the negative
voltage is a red herring. It's due to the RF that is being grounded via Q7
(its task).

Do you know any other hams who might tell what their Q7 DC voltage is, from
functioning rigs? I gave you mine and they match yours within a reasonable
tolerance.

I will see if I can get to a ham with a scope and report to you when I can,
maybe this weekend.

In the mean time, I'd get up a hill!

73,
Ian MM0GYX

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[Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the K3/P3?

2012-05-09 Thread Edward R. Cole
Mike,

Use of other SDR sw with the K3 can only be implemented via using the 
1st IF output to secondary SDR hardware such as SoftRock or LP-Pan 
that do provide interface to a computer where SDR programs like 
PowerSDR can be loaded.  At this point it appears to me the only  SDR 
sw that can be uploaded directly into the K3 is Elecraft's firmware.

I think at the time the K3 was designed, SDR's were very new on the 
landscape and all of them had one large problem of lack of 
availalble, viable sw to run them.  Elecraft wisely decided to 
develop the SDR sw for the K3, but failed to realize the interest 
there would be for running the K3 on alternative SDR programs, thus 
there was no external I/F provided to the IQ data stream.  Apparently 
after the fact is hard to provide.

In designing the KX3 (much later in time) Elecraft responded to the 
wishes of many for access to the IQ data by providing output of the 
baseband audio stream. Still not quite what was asked for, but very 
usable with several after-market SDR programs.

The promise of the SDR radio is non-obsolescence thru continual 
ability to write updates or even new software to run the radio.  The 
second aspect of that is the desired to run alternative SDR applications.

In the competitive radio market we will see more and more SDR 
technology used to offer the best (and latest) features and versatility.

In most SDR one sees conversion of RF to data by A/D conversion and 
signal processing and demod done in sw.  Since the radio is 
essentially defined by the sw program it can be re-designed 
forever.  Some designs use a quadrature mixer at RF before conversion 
to digital; some just go directly to digital and do it all under 
sw.  To produce audio for listening to the radio a D/A conversion is 
performed.  Soundcards provide both A/D and D/A hardware so were 
naturally included in early SDR design to keep costs in line.  But 
A/D and D/A technology is progressing rapidly beyond so I would 
expect to see more SDR radio's that directly connect on a digital 
level with the computer (or have an embedded processor like the K3).

73, Ed - KL7UW

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Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 08:01:05 -0500
From: Mike Schwendeman m...@s3com.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RX I/Q output planned or thought about for the
 K3/P3?
To: elecraft posting elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: 4faa6a91.5000...@s3com.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Geoff;

As far as I know, the K3 is NOT an SDR.  (Search the Elecraft web site
for better information; If it were an SDR, I am very sure that the folks
at Elecraft would be very sure to mention this.)  The KX3 is reported to
be an SDR, and is, per the block diagram.

I am also very interested in an easy way to get a version of PowerSDR
to operate with the KX3's I/Q outputs.  This is a very new field for a
lot of folks, and so there will be a learning curve.  But the results
are well worth the effort.  (Me, I'm fighting mirror images on some
apps, using a low-cost SDR RX..!)

73;-Mike-K?JTA


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[Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Bill Frantz
I have installed a couple of radios in my cars (a Yaesu FTM-10 
and an Icom 706). Both radio displays black out when I wear 
polaroid sunglasses. (I have also noticed that the displays on 
fuel station pumps black out.) It would be a good idea for 
designers to consider sunglasses when designing radios for 
mobile or portable use. I think the E-Ink technology 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eink might be a good match for 
radio displays.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 5/9/12 at 7:04, yo3...@yahoo.com (VE3GNO Daniel) wrote:

I want to ring the bell to ham comunity abt new fancy radios with LED/OLED 
displays.
---
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(408)356-8506  | fear is fear itself. - FDR  | 16345 
Englewood Ave
www.pwpconsult.com | Inaugural address, 3/4/1933  | Los Gatos, 
CA 95032

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LiNiCo 12v 3.6 Ah Battery Pack

2012-05-09 Thread David Cutter
All batteries suffer in the cold: you pay dearly for good low 
temperature performance.  A simple solution is to keep them close to 
your body, eg on your trouser waist belt.

I noticed some 4300mAh AA cells, 4 in a pack for £4 in my local market.  
I thought I'd research it first just in case they were a scam: well, it 
was just the local market and I haven't seen 3000mAh.

David
G3UNA



On 09/05/2012 16:26, Michael Babineau wrote:
 Phil et al :

 I have a couple of these Blue Li-ion batteries (a 4300 mAh and the 9800 mAh 
 as listed) and
 they work ok, although it is my gut feeling is that the capacity is somewhat 
 overstated.

 The supplied charger is dumb (I think it is just a cheap switching supply)  
 so it appears that the overcharge protection
 circuitry in the battery is relied on to prevent overcharging. Some folks on 
 the NA SOTA list have
 claimed that these batteries don't seem to last very long.  I have been using 
 mine for about a year with no issues.
 For the cost, I have been pleased with the ones that I have purchased.

 The power plug is compatible with Elecraft rigs and the Li-ion chemistry 
 stands up better in the cold than the
 AA NiMh batteries I was using previously to power my K1 and KX1for portable 
 outings.

 Michael VE3WMB / VA2NB

 From: Phil  Debbie Salasdpsa...@tx.rr.com
 Date: May 9, 2012 11:52:06 AM EDT
 To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LiNiCo 12v 3.6 Ah Battery Pack

 This looks like an interesting battery pack.
 www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170794794136ssPageName=ADME:B:WNAFP:US:1123
 Phil - AD5X
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[Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst

2012-05-09 Thread ussv dharma
High Sierra often charges considerably more than their advertised prices the 
current issue of QST.  They are also horribly deficient when it comes to 
customer servicea number of hams have voice this concern.BE CAREFUL IF 
YOU ORDER FROM HIGH SIERRA

 
If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!!
 
Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm  AFA9SM
 USSV DHARMA
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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread WILLIS COOKE
I think a more practical solution is to ditch the polarized glasses.  Since the 
LCDs work by polarizing light, the designers are stuck.  I found that I either 
had to ditch the polarized lenses when flying or do without my GPS and other 
LCD readouts.  
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ  Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart



 From: Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Radio Displays
 
I have installed a couple of radios in my cars (a Yaesu FTM-10 
and an Icom 706). Both radio displays black out when I wear 
polaroid sunglasses. (I have also noticed that the displays on 
fuel station pumps black out.) It would be a good idea for 
designers to consider sunglasses when designing radios for 
mobile or portable use. I think the E-Ink technology 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eink might be a good match for 
radio displays.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 5/9/12 at 7:04, yo3...@yahoo.com (VE3GNO Daniel) wrote:

I want to ring the bell to ham comunity abt new fancy radios with LED/OLED 
displays.
---
Bill Frantz        | The only thing we have to   | Periwinkle
(408)356-8506      | fear is fear itself. - FDR  | 16345 
Englewood Ave
www.pwpconsult.com | Inaugural address, 3/4/1933  | Los Gatos, 
CA 95032

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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Phil Kane
On 5/9/2012 10:05 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:


 I have installed a couple of radios in my cars (a Yaesu FTM-10 
 and an Icom 706). Both radio displays black out when I wear 
 polaroid sunglasses. (I have also noticed that the displays on 
 fuel station pumps black out.) It would be a good idea for 
 designers to consider sunglasses when designing radios for 
 mobile or portable use. I think the E-Ink technology 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eink might be a good match for 
 radio displays.

It would be a better idea for sunglass manufacturers to stop using cheap
plastic polarizers and go back to the heavy-gradient (G-15) glass or
polycarbonate that they used before the cheap stuff became available.
I had a pair of Ray-Ban G-15s that lasted almost 20 years  the lenses
outlasted the frame.  Can't find them today.
---
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst [are just fine]

2012-05-09 Thread Mark Cherry
I have ordered a large number of items from High Sierra over many years.  I
have never been overcharged from an advertised price.  Shipping has always
been very fair (actual cost) and if I have a question, I submit an email
with an intelligent question and always receive a fine answer.

Sounds like an isolated incidence or two for reasons unknown to the rest of
us.

Mark - WT6P
Kingman, AZ

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ussv dharma
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:24 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst

High Sierra often charges considerably more than their advertised prices the
current issue of QST.  They are also horribly deficient when it comes to
customer servicea number of hams have voice this concern.BE CAREFUL
IF YOU ORDER FROM HIGH SIERRA

 
If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!!
 
Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm  AFA9SM
 USSV DHARMA
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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread KENT TRIMBLE
Solution . . .

Have your optometrist darken only the top half of your lenses.  That's 
what you see through anyway.  The bottom is used when you look down.

He can also remove tint from the bottom of already darkened sun glasses.

Cheaper and quicker than redesigning displays (which would probably 
never happen anyway).

I've operated mobile HF for years with half-darkened sun glasses without 
squinting and without instrument clusters or radio displays blacked 
out.  Likewise for gas pumps.

And . . . you're welcome.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 5/9/2012 12:05 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
 I have installed a couple of radios in my cars (a Yaesu FTM-10
 and an Icom 706). Both radio displays black out when I wear
 polaroid sunglasses. (I have also noticed that the displays on
 fuel station pumps black out.) It would be a good idea for
 designers to consider sunglasses when designing radios for
 mobile or portable use. I think the E-Ink technology
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eink  might be a good match for
 radio displays.

 Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Wayne Conrad
I wonder if something's the matter with your glasses.  In my experience, 
radios, gas stations pumps, cel phones, c. are set up to be aligned 
properly for viewing through polarized sunglasses.

I had a pair of sun glasses made where they got the polarization 90 
degrees off.  Other than that they accentuated sun glare instead of 
attenuating it, the other clue was that gas station pumps, radio 
displays, and so on, were not visible without turning my head sideways. 
  I had the maker replace the lenses with ones that were properly 
polarized, and all was well.

73, Wayne Conrad

On 05/09/12 10:05, Bill Frantz wrote:
  ... Both radio displays black out when I wear
  polaroid sunglasses. (I have also noticed that the displays on
  fuel station pumps black out.) ...
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Re: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst

2012-05-09 Thread amsctalx
I sat out the last iteration of this, but I have to say that I have a hard time 
taking this seriously without some kind data: issue details, ultimate 
resolution, and similar information that would help everyone make an informed 
decision. 

So...can we get some details as to what led to these statements? 


Mike Alexander - N8MSA 

amsct...@comcast.net 

- Original Message -
From: ussv dharma ussvdha...@yahoo.com 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:24:06 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst 

High Sierra often charges considerably more than their advertised prices the 
current issue of QST. They are also horribly deficient when it comes to 
customer servicea number of hams have voice this concern.BE CAREFUL IF 
YOU ORDER FROM HIGH SIERRA 


If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!! 

Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM 
USSV DHARMA 
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Re: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst

2012-05-09 Thread Andrew Siegel
The Elecraft reflector isn't the appropriate venue for complaining
about other vendors' services.


On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, ussv dharma ussvdha...@yahoo.com wrote:
 High Sierra often charges considerably more than their advertised prices the 
 current issue of QST.  They are also horribly deficient when it comes to 
 customer servicea number of hams have voice this concern.BE CAREFUL 
 IF YOU ORDER FROM HIGH SIERRA
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Re: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst

2012-05-09 Thread John D'Ausilio
and what does it have to do with elecraft?

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM,  amsct...@comcast.net wrote:
 I sat out the last iteration of this, but I have to say that I have a hard 
 time taking this seriously without some kind data: issue details, ultimate 
 resolution, and similar information that would help everyone make an informed 
 decision.

 So...can we get some details as to what led to these statements?


 Mike Alexander - N8MSA

 amsct...@comcast.net

 - Original Message -
 From: ussv dharma ussvdha...@yahoo.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:24:06 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst

 High Sierra often charges considerably more than their advertised prices the 
 current issue of QST. They are also horribly deficient when it comes to 
 customer servicea number of hams have voice this concern.BE CAREFUL 
 IF YOU ORDER FROM HIGH SIERRA


 If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!!

 Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM
 USSV DHARMA
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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread kevinr
What happens if you take off your polarized sunglasses and turn them 90 
degrees with respect to the display?
 Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 5/9/2012 10:54 AM, WILLIS COOKE wrote:
 I think a more practical solution is to ditch the polarized glasses.  Since 
 the LCDs work by polarizing light, the designers are stuck.  I found that I 
 either had to ditch the polarized lenses when flying or do without my GPS and 
 other LCD readouts.  
   
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
 K5EWJ  Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
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Re: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst

2012-05-09 Thread amsctalx
What does this have to do with Elecraft? 

Nothing...but I would like to at least see something substantive if this thread 
is going to be allowed to continue as long as the last one. Ideally, the post 
would have not been made here at all, perhaps would have been posted in QRZ, 
and with a little more information than High Sierra stinks. 


Mike Alexander 

amsct...@comcast.net 

- Original Message -
From: John D'Ausilio jdausi...@gmail.com 
To: amsct...@comcast.net 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 3:27:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst 

and what does it have to do with elecraft? 

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM, amsct...@comcast.net wrote: 
 I sat out the last iteration of this, but I have to say that I have a hard 
 time taking this seriously without some kind data: issue details, ultimate 
 resolution, and similar information that would help everyone make an informed 
 decision. 
 
 So...can we get some details as to what led to these statements? 
 
 
 Mike Alexander - N8MSA 
 
 amsct...@comcast.net 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ussv dharma ussvdha...@yahoo.com 
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:24:06 PM 
 Subject: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst 
 
 High Sierra often charges considerably more than their advertised prices the 
 current issue of QST. They are also horribly deficient when it comes to 
 customer servicea number of hams have voice this concern.BE CAREFUL 
 IF YOU ORDER FROM HIGH SIERRA 
 
 
 If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!! 
 
 Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM 
 USSV DHARMA 
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[Elecraft] High-performance HF transceiver design: A ham's perspective

2012-05-09 Thread kevinr
http://www.edn.com/article/521690-High_performance_HF_transceiver_design_A_ham_s_perspective.php?cid=Newsletter+-+EDN+on+Embedded+Processing

Elecraft gets some good ink in this story.  But for most of us it is a 
refresher in RF design.  Good though :)
73,
 Kevin.  KD5ONS
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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread dmoes
I agree that there where many displays that go black with my polarized 
lenses but it seems less in recent years as I think manufacturers are 
realising that this is a problemI haven't tried it with my K3 yet 
but I don't wear sun glasses in the shack but I may need them field 
day. for those that drive in sunny places polarized sunglasses are 
far better than any tinted glasses for glare so suggesting to toss 
them is a not for me.



David Moes
VE3DVY



 --- Original message ---
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays
 From: kevinr kev...@coho.net
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wednesday, 09/05/2012  3:31 PM

 What happens if you take off your polarized sunglasses and turn them 
 90
 degrees with respect to the display?
  Kevin.  KD5ONS


 On 5/9/2012 10:54 AM, WILLIS COOKE wrote:

 I think a more practical solution is to ditch the polarized glasses.  
 Since the LCDs work by polarizing light, the designers are stuck.  I 
 found that I either had to ditch the polarized lenses when flying or 
 do without my GPS and other LCD readouts.

 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
 K5EWJ  Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
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Re: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst

2012-05-09 Thread N2BC
How about a High Sierra reflector - not here.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:40 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst

What does this have to do with Elecraft? 

Nothing...but I would like to at least see something substantive if this
thread is going to be allowed to continue as long as the last one. Ideally,
the post would have not been made here at all, perhaps would have been
posted in QRZ, and with a little more information than High Sierra stinks.



Mike Alexander 

amsct...@comcast.net 

- Original Message -
From: John D'Ausilio jdausi...@gmail.com
To: amsct...@comcast.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 3:27:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst 

and what does it have to do with elecraft? 

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM, amsct...@comcast.net wrote: 
 I sat out the last iteration of this, but I have to say that I have a hard
time taking this seriously without some kind data: issue details, ultimate
resolution, and similar information that would help everyone make an
informed decision. 
 
 So...can we get some details as to what led to these statements? 
 
 
 Mike Alexander - N8MSA
 
 amsct...@comcast.net
 
 - Original Message -
 From: ussv dharma ussvdha...@yahoo.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:24:06 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] High sierra ads in qst
 
 High Sierra often charges considerably more than their advertised 
 prices the current issue of QST. They are also horribly deficient when 
 it comes to customer servicea number of hams have voice this 
 concern.BE CAREFUL IF YOU ORDER FROM HIGH SIERRA
 
 
 If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're
headed!! 
 
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[Elecraft] kx1 20 meter oscillation

2012-05-09 Thread Rick Carolyn Dwight
Stan,

   Before you conclude you have an oscillation on 20 meters, please make
sure you are actually correctly sampling the actual output of the kx1 from
the BNC antenna jack and not picking up stray signals radiated from the
interior of the kx1, especially if its cover is removed.  Sometimes the kx1
waveform as viewed on a oscilloscope or spectrum analyzer looks much better
if correctly sampled.  Put the cover on the kx1 and ground the case.  Run it
into a dummy load through a coax cable and a T connector.  One way to sample
the actual signal is to put a piece of insulated wire into the t connector
(no direct electrical connection) and run this short wire and a ground to a
variable or fixed pad and adjust the coupling and pad to provide a
reasonable signal into your monitor receiver (say something less than about
S9 + 20 db.  

I have also coupled a small signal to an outdoor antenna through a T
connector, insulated wire  dummy load, then hooked my receiver to another
outdoor coax fed antenna.even if it is not a 20 meter antenna, possibly
through a pad and/or receiver attenuator, and have had a good (reasonable
level) signal to monitor.  There are also RF sample circuits and special
pads (possibly around 100dB ?)  which provide the attenuation to safely and
correctly sample the transmitter RF, which are probably not necessary unless
you want to set up an actual means of measuring levels.  

   Please be very careful not to couple too much signal into your K3.
Probably you will need only a small amount of capacitive coupling into the T
connector and can use a considerable amount of padding (try 20 to 40dB or
more).  Signal levels into a receiver of  +10 dBm could potentially damage
a receiver.  

   Rick  KL7CW   KX1 # 798Palmer Alaska

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Re: [Elecraft] VE7CC Cluster

2012-05-09 Thread ab2tc
It works fine here.

AB2TC - Knut


w0mu wrote
 
 If you are pull up one of the others.  This is why we have other nodes.
 
 Mike W0MU
 
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 On 5/9/2012 7:37 AM, Dyarnes wrote:
 Anybody besides me having trouble pulling up the VE7CC  DX cluster this
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[Elecraft] HRD Question

2012-05-09 Thread Bill
Does the current free version of HRD do anything additional for the K3 
than previous versions? Perhaps allow more sliders or other controls?

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Re: [Elecraft] HRD Question

2012-05-09 Thread Keith Heimbold
I just uploaded the new HRD and it has very few controls for the K3. In 
comparison, I had before a FT950 and it had probably fifty plus slider bar 
options. It worked real well with the 950 for basic rig control minus the fact 
that I never had good stable operating of DM780 which is a application freeze 
machine.

Keith
AG6AZ

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On May 9, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Bill b...@w2blc.net wrote:

 Does the current free version of HRD do anything additional for the K3 
 than previous versions? Perhaps allow more sliders or other controls?
 
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[Elecraft] Off topic. Logging programs and K3

2012-05-09 Thread KQ8M
I have been using DXBase for many years and with its apparent demise I am
looking for another logging program. Preferably one that will read both
VFO's when split and log them as well as spot the QSX freq in the comment
section of the spot. I have looked at DXLabs, Ham Logger32. What are some of
the other recommendations from you guys? Again preferably with what I said
above and also with the new LOTW application format.

Thank you all.

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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Arthur Burke
The same thing happens with my IC-7000. My next mobile rig is going to be
an Elecraft KX3 - I would bet there's less chance there! I hope, I hope, I
hope!

Art - N4PJ


On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote:

 I have installed a couple of radios in my cars (a Yaesu FTM-10
 and an Icom 706). Both radio displays black out when I wear
 polaroid sunglasses. (I have also noticed that the displays on
 fuel station pumps black out.) It would be a good idea for
 designers to consider sunglasses when designing radios for
 mobile or portable use. I think the E-Ink technology
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eink might be a good match for
 radio displays.

 Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

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 I want to ring the bell to ham comunity abt new fancy radios with
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Re: [Elecraft] HRD Question

2012-05-09 Thread Stephen Prior
Was it not the case that Simon sold his K3 and bought a FT950?  That would
explain the enhanced support for that radio.

As for HRD under new ownership, I shall be interested to see what the new
commercial version (due to be released at Dayton I think) will offer.  I
have no problem with paying for software that I believe offers value for
money.

73 Stephen G4SJP



On 9 May 2012 21:47, Keith Heimbold ag...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I just uploaded the new HRD and it has very few controls for the K3. In
 comparison, I had before a FT950 and it had probably fifty plus slider bar
 options. It worked real well with the 950 for basic rig control minus the
 fact that I never had good stable operating of DM780 which is a application
 freeze machine.

 Keith
 AG6AZ

 Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos

 On May 9, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Bill b...@w2blc.net wrote:

  Does the current free version of HRD do anything additional for the K3
  than previous versions? Perhaps allow more sliders or other controls?
 
  Bill W2BLC
 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread Jim Lowman
I've been a knob, switch and button junkie from an early age,
but cannot fathom how there could be 140 controls on an
amateur transceiver.  Not disputing your count, David, but
I'd like to see a larger version of a photo of the front panel
so that the function of each control can be identified.

Certainly, that's more controls than on a commercial
broadcast transmitter.  In fact, the only piece of electronic
gear that I can recall working on that had more adjustments
was one channel of a redundant air traffic control radar
system, with about 200.  That was in my Air Force days,
circa 1971-75, before solid-state replacements and
computer interfaces took over.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 5/9/2012 2:59 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
 I had to count the controls 4 times! I 'think' there are 140 individual 
 controls on there - and that’s before we get to the menus 

 There used to be a Phillips ad on UK TV, where the buyer was only interest in 
 the stereo system if it had lots of 'Functions' !

 73 de David, M0XDF

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Re: [Elecraft] New KX1 low power and 20m oscillation

2012-05-09 Thread Stan Gibbs
Ian,


IanMW wrote
 
 Just to recap my earlier thoughts, I think your Q7 is fine, the negative
 voltage is a red herring. It's due to the RF that is being grounded via Q7
 (its task).
 ...
 In the mean time, I'd get up a hill!
 

Thanks for taking the time to check out your rig for comparison.  Good idea
to email Elecraft support.  Gary's numbers were very similar to ours, so I
guess the negative voltage is, as you say, a red herring (is there any other
color?).

If you get a chance to scope Q7's terminals, I would be very interested in
the results.

I finished the ATU this morning and everything seems to be working well,
though the low 40m power still knaws at me.  I think I'll put the sideband
issue on the back burner as long as nobody reports a crappy signal.

And, I'll definitely get up a hill soon!  After all, the KX1 is really a
sweet little rig designed just for such a purpose.  Kudos to Elecraft once
again!


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread Bob K6UJ
QRX 10 minutes OM, I have to adjust my TS-990 :-)



Bob
K6UJ



On May 9, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:

 I've been a knob, switch and button junkie from an early age,
 but cannot fathom how there could be 140 controls on an
 amateur transceiver.  Not disputing your count, David, but
 I'd like to see a larger version of a photo of the front panel
 so that the function of each control can be identified.
 
 Certainly, that's more controls than on a commercial
 broadcast transmitter.  In fact, the only piece of electronic
 gear that I can recall working on that had more adjustments
 was one channel of a redundant air traffic control radar
 system, with about 200.  That was in my Air Force days,
 circa 1971-75, before solid-state replacements and
 computer interfaces took over.
 
 73 de Jim - AD6CW
 
 On 5/9/2012 2:59 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
 I had to count the controls 4 times! I 'think' there are 140 individual 
 controls on there - and that’s before we get to the menus 
 
 There used to be a Phillips ad on UK TV, where the buyer was only interest 
 in the stereo system if it had lots of 'Functions' !
 
 73 de David, M0XDF
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Phil Hystad
Please, not E-ink.  It needs ambient light so if you are mobiling at night with 
the lights out in your mobile vehicle then you will not see the e-ink display.  
Also, e-ink is slow and in general, I think, the entire display must be updated 
to change anything which makes it a hassle for display of real-time events such 
as s-meter, SWR, power out, or even spectrum display. 

73, phil, K7PEH
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On May 9, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Arthur Burke aburk...@gmail.com wrote:

 The same thing happens with my IC-7000. My next mobile rig is going to be
 an Elecraft KX3 - I would bet there's less chance there! I hope, I hope, I
 hope!
 
 Art - N4PJ
 
 
 On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote:
 
 I have installed a couple of radios in my cars (a Yaesu FTM-10
 and an Icom 706). Both radio displays black out when I wear
 polaroid sunglasses. (I have also noticed that the displays on
 fuel station pumps black out.) It would be a good idea for
 designers to consider sunglasses when designing radios for
 mobile or portable use. I think the E-Ink technology
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eink might be a good match for
 radio displays.
 
 Cheers - Bill, AE6JV
 
 On 5/9/12 at 7:04, yo3...@yahoo.com (VE3GNO Daniel) wrote:
 
 I want to ring the bell to ham comunity abt new fancy radios with
 LED/OLED displays.
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Re: [Elecraft] New KX1 low power and 20m oscillation

2012-05-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Stan,

Another thing to check carefully is the 20 meter low pass filter 
following the DDS - L4, L5, C50, C51 and C52.  Check for good soldering 
and proper values.  Since L4 and L5 now being supplied do not fit the 
holes, be certain the bent under leads are not touching another solder 
pad or via hole.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/8/2012 10:25 PM, Stan Gibbs wrote:
 Don, I tried your experiment but it had no effect. I just grounded point A
 because it is damn hard to jumper Q7.  R28 measures good and is well
 soldered.  It has -0.25V or so on the base side and 5.5V on the other during
 transmit.

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Re: [Elecraft] Off topic. Logging programs and K3

2012-05-09 Thread Arthur Burke
Hi Tim. I think I see your call just about every day on the DX-IS forum!

Once upon a time, I also used DXBase. When I discovered DXLabs a number of
years ago, I departed DXBase and started using DXLabs and have never looked
back.

Now a word of caution...

With your experience in DXBase, the learning curve may likely be less than
someone else coming in cold. There *is* a learning curve with DXLabs. The
logging program is DXKeeper and it somewhat reminded me of DXBase when I
first started using it. In fact, one of the major import options is to
import your DXBase log.

The author of DXLabs is Dave Bernstein, AA6YQ. He is something to behold.
He seemingly never sleeps, runs a Yahoo forum (he and W3ZJ moderate the
forum) and thinks there's no such thing as a dumb question. He is
incredibly tolerant! My personal opinion is that everyone should read at
least *some* of the documentation, but when he encounters the mindset of
...it's easier to come here and ask questions than it is to do
research!... he's far more tolerant than I think I would be! He is a hand
holder of the first order. Unless you're downright rude or nasty, Dave
will work closely with you (exchanging file data if necessary) to solve
problems.

Dave's recommendation is to pick up on piece of the DXLabs software (there
are half a dozen applications, but they're nicely managed by the Lab
Launcher) and gain proficiency with it, and then pick up the next one, etc.

One of the main reasons I gravitated to it and stayed there is because of
its querying capability. It's an Access database and, as such, you can
write SQLs and scripts - you can filter your log by date, by zone, by
mobile, by individual call, by DXCC entity, the list goes on. The awards is
second to none - you can track DXCC, WPX, WAZ, the CQ DX Marathon,
counties, IOTA - and for the ones you want to track that are somewhat
obscure, there are a number of user-defined fields.

Operation with both LotW and eQSL is virtually seamless - DXKeeper can
talk to your TQSL for signing data to be uploaded, do the syncing, etc.
A couple of mouse clicks (after you're set up, of course) and you're off
and running.

I have no affiliation with DXLabs other than as a satisfied customer. There
can't be any fiduciary concerns as DXLabs is free!

Oh yeah, if you like, you can print QSL labels, QSL cards, numerous
reports, etc.

The only potential negative? Dave has a very fundamental part of the coding
that works as a contest mode - that's mainly so you can create a Cabrillo
file. Dave makes no bones that he doesn't intend to do contests. For
those desiring a free program with excellent contesting capabilities, one
need only turn to N1MM - also incredibly well supported by the author and a
team of assisting programmers.

There are some features of DXLabs I don't use. However, if you decide to go
that route and are too shy to ask for help on the forum, I would be happy
to help you in any way I can. As a basically casual contester but avid DXer
(need 1 more to get on the Honor Roll) I use DXLabs mostly for tracking
DXCC. But I have reasonably good experience with many facets of the
software and would be happy to help, if necessary.

Sincerely,

Art - N4PJ


On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com wrote:

 I have been using DXBase for many years and with its apparent demise I am
 looking for another logging program. Preferably one that will read both
 VFO's when split and log them as well as spot the QSX freq in the comment
 section of the spot. I have looked at DXLabs, Ham Logger32. What are some
 of
 the other recommendations from you guys? Again preferably with what I said
 above and also with the new LOTW application format.

 Thank you all.

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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Rotating the polarized sunglasses 90% makes them ineffective in suppressing
brilliant reflections and glare. I have never investigated how natural
sunlight gets polarized, but good quality polarized sunglasses have their
lens polarity set to be 90 degrees off and so block that glare. 

Discovered that by taking my old Polaroid sunglass off and rotating them
while sitting in stopped rush-hour traffic one hot summer day :-)

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

What happens if you take off your polarized sunglasses and turn them 90
degrees with respect to the display?
 Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 5/9/2012 10:54 AM, WILLIS COOKE wrote:
 I think a more practical solution is to ditch the polarized glasses.
Since the LCDs work by polarizing light, the designers are stuck.  I found
that I either had to ditch the polarized lenses when flying or do without my
GPS and other LCD readouts.  
   
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LiNiCo 12v 3.6 Ah Battery Pack

2012-05-09 Thread Fred Jensen
On 5/9/2012 8:17 AM, Ignacy wrote:

 3. Use LiFePO3 that seems to be safer but heavier and have nearly flat
 discharge curve of around 12V. Also it can be charged by normal chargers for
 12V lead acid batteries.

I have an A123 4S1P LiFePO4 that I use with my K2.  Capacity is about 4
Ah.  It has a very flat discharge curve.  I don't believe it is
chargable with a LA charger however.  I have a balancing charger that
charges through the individual cell cable and plug, and I believe you
really do need it.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Tony Estep
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM, dm...@nexicom.net wrote:

 ...polarized sunglasses are far better than any tinted glasses...


Of course. The suggestion to use non-polarized was probably not serious.
Still, they do make a lot of screens go black: the local ATM and my car
radio are two examples.

The funniest side-effect is that some women who dye their hair show up with
a bizarre coif that looks as if it had been applied with a paintbrush. This
adds greatly to the entertainment value of walking on a busy sidewalk.

Tony KT0NY


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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
On Wed, 9 May 2012, Tony Estep wrote:

 On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM, dm...@nexicom.net wrote:

 ...polarized sunglasses are far better than any tinted glasses...

 
 Of course. The suggestion to use non-polarized was probably not serious.
 Still, they do make a lot of screens go black: the local ATM and my car
 radio are two examples.

Back when I worked in Japan, we'd laugh at how the cheap Taiwanese
LCDs got it wrong and put their polarizers horizontal so you couldn't
see things with good (polarized) sun glasses. Sounds like more people
don't know what they're doing with their LCDs than before.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LiNiCo 12v 3.6 Ah Battery Pack

2012-05-09 Thread Fred Jensen
On 5/9/2012 9:26 AM, Michael Babineau wrote:

 I have a couple of these Blue Li-ion batteries (a 4300 mAh and the 9800 mAh 
 as listed) and
 they work ok, although it is my gut feeling is that the capacity is somewhat 
 overstated.

I got one of the 9800 mAh batteries on a Buy-It-Now off eBay.  $50 I 
think.  No data, nothing on the battery was readable, even at the local 
Chinese restaurant, their translation lacked a certain amount of 
technical clarity. :-)  I have a MaHa universal charger that displays 
mAh, and estimating the capacity by how much it would cram back into the 
battery after discharge, this battery is nowhere near 9800 mAh.  Half 
that might be more like it.

The discharge curve is almost linear downward which further limits 
usable capacity.  My K2 dies from undervoltage long before the capacity 
I charged the battery to has been used.

A friend who is fairly knowledgeable about battery chemistry and 
characteristics told me they're like that old coffee commercial.  The 
bean buyer is on the dock, he says, I buy coffee beans for Folgers [or 
somebody].  These beans won't meet our standards.  The importer will 
sell them to someone else.  He said in a manufacturing run of Li-ion 
cells, many will meet specs, some won't.  They get sold to the guy with 
all the blue shrink wrap.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] VE7CC Cluster

2012-05-09 Thread Bob Nielsen

On May 9, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Dyarnes wrote:

 Anybody besides me having trouble pulling up the VE7CC  DX cluster this 
 morning


My node has a reconnect script for VE7CC-1 and it has been connected since 
1530Z.

73, Bob N7XY
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LiNiCo 12v 3.6 Ah Battery Pack

2012-05-09 Thread Ignacy
I use 3S1 of the older Li-Ion types in K2, 2 x 1.5A = 3A. I charge them
through 1A regulator set to 12.8V. The batteries are past 5 years and doing
well.  No balancing. The charge is enough to run a pileup a few hrs from
medium attractive places like TA , SV9 or KP2. 

I have new 4S LiFePO3 from batteryspace with 20A capacity
(http://www.batteryspace.com/LiFePO4-Prismatic-Box-Battery-12.8V-20Ah-256Wh-10C-rate-without-PCM.aspx).
No extra circuit. According to specs, the battery should be charged at 4x3.7
= 14.8V max. The batteryspace charger bought for this battery has 17V max.
Apparently nobody complains so LiFePO3 batteries must withstand more. I
fact, it takes very little current past 13.5V. I charge it with a 13.8V 28A
charger adjusting the voltage initially to have current  15A. Then I max
the voltage to 14.4V. Seems to work really well. Full charge in 1.5 hrs. 

Ignacy

  

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread Fred Jensen
In the late 60's, the Exchange at Clark AB in the Philippines carried 
quite a bit of Japanese stereo gear.  We called it Tokyo By Night, 
because the front panels resembled the Ginza.  That sort of faded. 
Possibly it's being reincarnated in ham gear.

INT QKK: How many knobs[or controls] does your radio have?
QKK 50: My radio has 50 knobs [or controls].

INT QKU: How many of those do you know how to use?
QKU 4: I know how to use 4 of them.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
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On 5/9/2012 2:43 AM, k4...@aol.com wrote:

 Regardless of how well it performs, a lot of people will want it for
 the number of front panel controls.  This must be a new record!

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Re: [Elecraft] Portable Antennas (near end fed)

2012-05-09 Thread Fred Jensen
I haven't been following this thread closely but has anyone mentioned a 
small magnetic loop like the Alex-Loop?  I've got a good SOTA friend who 
uses one and loves it.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 5/9/2012 2:47 AM, David Cutter wrote:
 What I particularly like about the near end fed is that you are more in
 control of the local stray capacitances and such like and you only need
 one slender wire in the sky.  I wrote a power point on the subject which
 needs a bit of massage but I can send it to you for interest.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
THe link given http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/ts-990_picture/
gives you a reasonable picture, click the picture and it's its possible to see 
individual controls.
On a Mac, you can ctrl-scroll to increase the magnification of the screen by 
significant amounts - I can not only see each function, but can read light blue 
and grey text on the display and each mark on the meter.

I counted 'double-pots' concentric knobs as two controls, but that only added 
11 controls.

73 de David, M0XDF



On 9 May 2012, at 22:27, Jim Lowman wrote:

 I've been a knob, switch and button junkie from an early age,
 but cannot fathom how there could be 140 controls on an
 amateur transceiver.  Not disputing your count, David, but
 I'd like to see a larger version of a photo of the front panel
 so that the function of each control can be identified.
 
 Certainly, that's more controls than on a commercial
 broadcast transmitter.  In fact, the only piece of electronic
 gear that I can recall working on that had more adjustments
 was one channel of a redundant air traffic control radar
 system, with about 200.  That was in my Air Force days,
 circa 1971-75, before solid-state replacements and
 computer interfaces took over.
 
 73 de Jim - AD6CW
 
 On 5/9/2012 2:59 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
 I had to count the controls 4 times! I 'think' there are 140 individual 
 controls on there - and that’s before we get to the menus 
 
 There used to be a Phillips ad on UK TV, where the buyer was only interest 
 in the stereo system if it had lots of 'Functions' !
 
 73 de David, M0XDF

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Re: [Elecraft] New KX1 low power and 20m oscillation

2012-05-09 Thread Stan Gibbs
Don,

I took a look at all those components, their values and installation, and
everything looks normal.  It may be that one of those components is bad, or
that the DDS is exceeding its spec harmonic output for some reason.

I'm not certain that these harmonics are not somehow an artifact of my using
the K3/P3 as a spectrum analyzer.  And, I'm also not certain how to
determine the answer, short of picking up a spectrum analyzer.

Thanks for your support and time on this.


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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Richard Ferch
Hi Art,

I don't have a KX3 to test, but on my K3 the display blacks out when I 
rotate my polaroid sunglasses through 45 degrees clockwise. It looks 
fine with my head oriented anywhere near vertically. The K3 and KX3 
displays appear to be very similar, perhaps even identical, so hopefully 
that's a good omen.

Interestingly (or perhaps not so interestingly), my laptop screen blacks 
out when my sunglasses are rotated 45 degrees counterclockwise, i.e. in 
the opposite direction. The two desktop monitors I checked both black 
out when the sunglasses are rotated through 90 degrees.

73,
Rich VE3KI


N4PJ wrote:

 The same thing happens with my IC-7000. My next mobile rig is going to be
 an Elecraft KX3 - I would bet there's less chance there! I hope, I hope, I
 hope!

 Art - N4PJ


 On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote:

 I have installed a couple of radios in my cars (a Yaesu FTM-10
 and an Icom 706). Both radio displays black out when I wear
 polaroid sunglasses.

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Re: [Elecraft] HRD Question

2012-05-09 Thread Rowland R Johnson
I also had the problem with DM780 freezing the machine. Actually, the 
problem was traced to the serial/USB interface that I was using. 
Specifically, the Proset chip set was used in that interface, which is 
known to have problems. I switched to a serial/USB interface based on 
the FTDI chip set and haven't had a problem since. The serial/USB 
interface sold by Elecraft (KUSB) is based on the FTDI chip set

On 5/9/2012 1:47 PM, Keith Heimbold wrote:
 I just uploaded the new HRD and it has very few controls for the K3. In 
 comparison, I had before a FT950 and it had probably fifty plus slider bar 
 options. It worked real well with the 950 for basic rig control minus the 
 fact that I never had good stable operating of DM780 which is a application 
 freeze machine.

 Keith
 AG6AZ

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 On May 9, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Billb...@w2blc.net  wrote:

 Does the current free version of HRD do anything additional for the K3
 than previous versions? Perhaps allow more sliders or other controls?

 Bill W2BLC

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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Fred Jensen
On 5/9/2012 2:58 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 Rotating the polarized sunglasses 90% makes them ineffective in suppressing
 brilliant reflections and glare. I have never investigated how natural
 sunlight gets polarized, but good quality polarized sunglasses have their
 lens polarity set to be 90 degrees off and so block that glare.

Sunlight reflected at small angles, such as from a chrome strip [or a 
wet road] is glare and is polarized in the same plane as the 
reflector.  This is predominantly horizontal, mostly, so polarized sun 
glasses are or should be vertically polarized.  Gas pump LCD's [and 
ATM's and such things] have a predictable viewing angle, so if the LCD 
is polarized vertically, you can read it.  Some other things, like 
perhaps mobile radios, HT's, and TV's in sports bars have less 
predictable viewing angles.  Wearing sunglasses in a sports bar could be 
a bad idea on other grounds, however.

Survival Tip:  If you are ever lost, look through polarized sunglasses 
at the sky while rotating them.  If you are certain you are lost north 
of 23N, the direction which shows the biggest change in brightness is 
north.  Backscattered sunlight from the north is polarized, I'm not sure 
why.  Of course, if the shadows cast by the sun didn't already tip you 
off about north, perhaps you're in more trouble than you first thought. 
If you aren't sure you are north or south of 23N, it's likely hopeless. :-)

I'd like to know if this is reversed south of 23S.  Maybe someone in VK 
or ZL can test this for me.  I've been to both once, didn't have 
polarized sunglasses either time.  Most everything seems to be reversed 
there, up/down, you know.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Tony Estep
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote:

 ...Sunlight reflected at small angles...is polarized in the same plane as
 the
 reflector. ...



 ...the direction which shows the biggest change in brightness is
 north. ...


Both Fred's tips are correct and worth noting. I have had various vision
problems for some years, and have worn polarized glasses ever since my doc
told me to. Very cool and helpful.

Tony KT0NY



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread Rick Stealey

I don't know if this is true or not, but I hear there is a simulator being
developed by Kenwood.  Sort of like an airliner simulator.  Before you are 
authorized or certified to sit at the controls of a 990 on the air you have
to take a class and spend time in the simulator.  When you graduate you
are then permitted to buy one and operate.  After major firmware upgrades 
you might have to re-certify.  I also hear that pins will be awarded and
will be highly prized and worn on your cap, alongside your DXCC Honor Roll
pin.  TS-990 Certified - level 3 etc.

Rick K2XT

 
 Certainly, that's more controls than on a commercial
 broadcast transmitter.  In fact, the only piece of electronic
 gear that I can recall working on that had more adjustments
 was one channel of a redundant air traffic control radar
 system, with about 200. 
  
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LiNiCo 12v 3.6 Ah Battery Pack

2012-05-09 Thread Rob May

Phil,
Several of us on the list have bought these.  John Harper, AE5X, loaned me his 
CBA II battery capacity tester and I've been running tests on the various 
batteries here.  This battery provides about 5Ah of useful capacity, just about 
half it's rating.  The up side is, it weighs 11.3 oz and will last a long time 
at the test current of 350mA.  That's about what I figure average current will 
be on the KX3 with casual operating.  

Interestingly, my 7Ah SLA measured out at 7.2Ah, my 1900mAh Eneloops (cheap 
blue ones from Costco, $14 for 10!) measured out at 1.9Ah.  I'll publish the 
discharge curves in a week or two and post a link here.  I'm trying to get 
ahold of my friends LiFePO battery to test.

73,
Rob
NV5E


 From: dpsa...@tx.rr.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:52:06 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LiNiCo 12v 3.6 Ah Battery Pack

 This looks like an interesting battery pack.

 www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170794794136ssPageName=ADME:B:WNAFP:US:1123

 Phil - AD5X

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

2012-05-09 Thread Mike
What separates a company whose product has failures (and you're right, 
they all can) is how that failure is remediated. NOBODY beats Elecraft!

73, Mike NF4L

On 5/9/12 10:41 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
 Well 26 months and still counting and not a single glitch with my FT-5000,
 never know about tomorrow. But that can happen with a Rolls Royce or a
 Volkswagen. I don't care what it is components fail all radios can have that
 faults no one's left out in that either.

 73,
 Fred/N0AZZ

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of VE3GNO Daniel
 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:05 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

 Guys,
   
 I want to ring the bell to ham comunity abt new fancy radios with LED/OLED
 displays. In the last half year or so I've seen on FT5K forum lots of people
 complaining abt OLED display failure and I owne one...that scare me a lot.
 Being involved in RD for over 20 years mostly in enterprise telecom I've
 notticed in the last year a massive invation of consumer grade  components
 into the enterprise/professional grade equipement. Starting with near
 suicide initiative BYOD (bring your own crappy device at work) an going
 forward with cost reduction lifecycle- a mandatory step in any lifecycle
 product, the MTBF of most critical components, like displays, encoders,
 mechanical components, start falling down dramatically. When you spend  few
 hundred bucks for a smartphone that anyway sooner or later in max 2 years
 you'll change it is not so severe but when you spend 5K+++ for a radio and
 after 2 years your displays are going down and guess what? that display  is
 already obsolate part that scares me a lot. I am so happy the K3 does NOT
 have any tft/lcd/led display build in and I hope the next K line generation
 will avoid this big mistake of embedding displays in the radio and will stay
 like this. Just my 2 cents regarding new fancy color tv transceiver from
 kenwood. I have a strange feeling that we won't see aging this new
 transceivers generation on our desk and will become a consumer product like
 a coffee maker or toasterso sad

 VE3GNO Daniel


 
 From: Fred Smithm...@mo-net.com
 To: 'Nate Bargmann'n...@n0nb.us; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:47:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

 Your correct to this point it's still vapor ware no published findings or
 even FCC approval yet. I also think that QST and Sherwood's reports will
 make or break this radio as they have with all other high end radios. The
 first reports will be published in Japan well ahead of here like the Yaesu
 one's did with the 5000 4 mo before here. I will be compared to the FT-5000,
 K3, and Flex 5000 pretty much in that order in rankings as they are
 published and see where it falls.

 As we all know it has a tough row to hoe with that lineup and those who do
 purchase we will see if they sell them as quickly as they have the TS-590s
 which I have seen even cheaper than a used TS-2000. Numbers change almost
 daily in the radio market what was on top one day could fall the next just
 one of those facts will look forward to see the numbers on the 990.

 73,

 Fred/N0AZZ

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 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:05 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: OT: Kenwood's new rig?

 * On 2012 09 May 05:28 -0500, VE3GNO Daniel wrote:
 without Rob Sherwood stamp nobody will spend big $$$ for colored displays.
 I beg to differ.  I have seen plenty of postings that indicate a fair number
 are wanting a high end Kenwood for their shack and I think plenty will
 plunk down a deposit next weekend even though it is still almost sight
 unseen.

 It's almost comical reading the various forums where there seems to be a
 thought of anything but a K3 amongst some.  I have no doubt that Kenwood
 will sell plenty '990s just as they have '590s.

 Not to be snide, but the picture made me think I was looking at an Icom!

 So far nobody knows what is ethernet port is doing...web server?
 sip+codec? or just firmware upgrade. Also why 2 USB's...is one
 possible to be used for a keyboard? Hopefully next week we'll have
 some answers
 Apparently there won't be a real box to play with.  From what I've read the
 disply will be a mock-up with no elecronics inside.  Of course, that
 information is a few weeks old by this point.

 73, de Nate, N0NB



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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Bill Frantz
I think mine are correctly aligned. Light is polarized when it 
reflects off certain flat surfaces such as water and asphalt. 
When I test my glasses, it kills those reflections best when my 
head is level.

I agree that E-Ink has some disadvantages. It will absolutely 
need an external light for night use. However, the Kindles 
(which use E-Ink) I have looked at seem to be able to update 
their screens reasonably quickly. Deciding if it is quick enough 
does need to be tested. However, when I look at the K3 and KX3 
displays, the only thing that might need speed is the s-meter. 
They don't have spectrum displays, and the other items can 
probably be handled by a peak-holding the display.

A quick glance at the Wikipedia article 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_paper indicates that 
these displays should be able to be made for selective update, 
or even for application specific configurations like the 
displays of the K3, KX3, FTM-10, and Icom 706 to name just a 
few. Whether they can be manufactured economically in the small 
quantities required by these applications I don't know.

The upside of the technology is an absolutely beautiful display, 
much like type on paper. It doesn't fade out in sunlight and has 
a wide angle of visibility. Since my FTM-10 is in a Miata, it is 
really hard to read the screen in strong sunlight, even without 
the polaroid problem. (And yes, the brightness is turned up to 
max.) (For my writeup of installing that radio with its 
broadcast AM/FM receive + 2M and 70cm, see the West Valley 
Amateur Radio Association Heterodyne 
http://www.wvara.org/het/heterodyne_201202.pdf.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

Tilting my head in all cases changes the contrast of the screen, 
from zero up to near max.
On 5/9/12 at 11:25, wcon...@yagni.com (Wayne Conrad) wrote:

I wonder if something's the matter with your glasses.   In my 
experience, radios, gas stations pumps, cel phones, c. are set 
up to be aligned properly for viewing through polarized sunglasses.


On 5/9/12 at 12:31, kev...@coho.net (kevinr) wrote:

What happens if you take off your polarized sunglasses and turn 
them 90 degrees with respect to the display?

On 5/9/12 at 14:40, phys...@mac.com (Phil Hystad) wrote:

Please, not E-ink.  It needs ambient light so if you are 
mobiling at night with the lights out in your mobile vehicle 
then you will not see the e-ink display.  Also, e-ink is slow 
and in general, I think, the entire display must be updated to 
change anything which makes it a hassle for display of 
real-time events such as s-meter, SWR, power out, or even 
spectrum display.
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Re: [Elecraft] Radio Displays

2012-05-09 Thread Gary Gregory
*Fred,

Our gentlemans water goes down the drain in the opposite direction also..:-)

But then the centre of the universe is below 23 degrees also..:-)

Gary
*
On 10 May 2012 09:27, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote:

 On 5/9/2012 2:58 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
  Rotating the polarized sunglasses 90% makes them ineffective in
 suppressing
  brilliant reflections and glare. I have never investigated how natural
  sunlight gets polarized, but good quality polarized sunglasses have their
  lens polarity set to be 90 degrees off and so block that glare.

 Sunlight reflected at small angles, such as from a chrome strip [or a
 wet road] is glare and is polarized in the same plane as the
 reflector.  This is predominantly horizontal, mostly, so polarized sun
 glasses are or should be vertically polarized.  Gas pump LCD's [and
 ATM's and such things] have a predictable viewing angle, so if the LCD
 is polarized vertically, you can read it.  Some other things, like
 perhaps mobile radios, HT's, and TV's in sports bars have less
 predictable viewing angles.  Wearing sunglasses in a sports bar could be
 a bad idea on other grounds, however.

 Survival Tip:  If you are ever lost, look through polarized sunglasses
 at the sky while rotating them.  If you are certain you are lost north
 of 23N, the direction which shows the biggest change in brightness is
 north.  Backscattered sunlight from the north is polarized, I'm not sure
 why.  Of course, if the shadows cast by the sun didn't already tip you
 off about north, perhaps you're in more trouble than you first thought.
 If you aren't sure you are north or south of 23N, it's likely hopeless. :-)

 I'd like to know if this is reversed south of 23S.  Maybe someone in VK
 or ZL can test this for me.  I've been to both once, didn't have
 polarized sunglasses either time.  Most everything seems to be reversed
 there, up/down, you know.

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] kx1 20 meter oscillation

2012-05-09 Thread Stan Gibbs
Rick,

Thanks for your words of caution. I understand the issues and have tried to
be very careful not to overload my K3.  The KX1 signals on my P3 have been
in the S9 region.  Typically, I was driving a dummy load with my KX1 while
my K3 was sampling my dipoles outside, about 30 feet above my shack
location.  I don't plan to chase this goose any more at this time, but I
will try to run an experiment by taking my KX1 way out of the near field of
my antennas and see if there is any change to the spectrum on the K3/P3.


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