[Elecraft] KX3 beta (1.44) update: possible problem with DUAL RX in combination with NR and/or Autonotch

[Wayne Burdick]

With the combination of DUAL RX and NR or Autonotch, you may have loss of 
audio, see "DSPT" (DSP timeout) or "ERR DSX" (DSP communications error). 
Turning the radio off/on will clear any of these conditions. This can happen 
when turning the controls on or off, or on exit from an ATU tune, etc.

We're looking into this. Until we release new firmware, please avoid using 
these features in combination.

tnx
Wayne
N6KR

P.S. -- This is why we do beta releases. Thanks for the quick reports!

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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Sandy Blaize]

Obviously you are not listening.  In the Elecraft line, the QRP rigs ALL use 
the BNC connector.  They work well.  Adapters are available for BNC/binding 
Posts...very practical in a filed installation.  Who wants to be bothered 
with perhaps the poorest connector ever devised for no big impedance "bump", 
very poor connector in the VHF UHF range.  (Any sharp repeater technician 
will curse the PL259 and favor the MUCH better "N" connector in the VHF/UHF 
range!)   Three cheers for throwing the damned RCA phono plug out that was 
so pushed by Collins radio.  They actually are BETTER at VHF than the 
PL-259/SO-239 which should have been made obsolete years ago.


All I can say is "Get used to making up" the BNC" plugs.  They made the best 
choice for QRP stuff over the PL-259/SO-239 and the RCA plugs for RF use.


73,
Sandy W5TVW

-Original Message- 
From: Jeff Herr

Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:55 PM
To: 'iain macdonnell - N6ML'
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

I don't want to buy or make or use any adapters.

Why not keep the connector consistent across the product line?

That is the question!












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macdonnell - N6ML
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 16:53
To: Jeff Herr
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jeff Herr  wrote:

I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I

travel.


In effect now we are forced to need adapters.


Or you could get some thing like:

http://abrind.com/product/rg58au-rg8x-240uf-95tc-braid-100-foil-coax-cable-a
ssemblies-bnc-n-pl259-sma-so23/pl259-to-bnc-male-jumpers/

I can't vouch for ABR's products (never tried them). Personally, I would
make my own

73,

   ~iain / N6ML

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Beta firmware rev. 1.44: Easier NR adjustment; DVR message play dropout fixed

[Wayne Burdick]

Dave Jones  wrote:

> Wayne I believe I have found a bug. …


Lyle and I have received a couple of reports of anomalies related to NR, or 
sometimes autoNotch, in conjunction with DUAL RX. We're looking into it.

Thanks,
Wayne


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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[GDanner]

David - Those are very good reasons to keep UHF connectors.
The impendence mismatch of UHF is probably far less than the other 
mismatches in the line/antenna.
Not to mention that BNC come in 2 flavors - 50 ohm & 75 ohm. A 75 ohm BNC in 
a 50 ohm system will have a far worse mismatch than the worst UHF (not 
shorted of course); not to mention that 50 ohm & 75 ohm connectors can be 
intermittent if mixed and a "booger" to find because the pins are a slightly 
different diameter. Don't ask how long it took us to discover this and 
finally correct it in a plant with thousands of BNC connectors installed 
over a 30 year span (TV broadcasting & OB production/live units).

The UHF connector is easy to make up properly, rugged mechanically, able to 
be waterproofed and it fits large cables well and has adaptors for smaller 
diameter cables.

BNCs are good for small cables, need a higher level of skill to make-up 
properly (crimp is recommended) & they should have waterproofing as well 
unless not in direct contact with liquids. BNCs make the ground first. If in 
a high static area they would be preferred. BNCs take-up far less panel 
space than either a UHF or type-N connector.

Type N connectors are wonderful - good match to 50 ohms, strong 
mechanically, available for most RF lines (I've used them from RG 58 to 3" 
hard copper), inherently waterproof (still waterproof them if outside in the 
weather & they also make the ground first. They are the most expensive of 
the 3 major types and like BNC must be ordered for the cable type used.

Won't even discuss RCA connectors for RF but they too have a place in some 
equipment.

There is no universal RF connector - yet. Don't believe me just browse a 
Pasternack or Bracke catalog for all the different RF connectors in use 
today.

73
George
AI4VZ


-Original Message- 
From: David Christ
I can think of one other reason why UHF has hung around so long.  It is 
cheap, easy to find, and mates nicely with the oh so common RG-8 sized cable 
that is generally used in HF shacks. 

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Re: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

[Michael Babineau]

Wayne et al  :

The closet thing I have seen battery-wise is a brand of LiFePo4 batteries 
called Anti-Gravity designed as 
replacements for conventional wet-cell motorcycle batteries.  This one is 4.25 
X 1.25 X 3.75 inches @ 6Ah 
and weighs in at  1 pound. 

http://antigravitybatteries.com/ag-401/

Cheers

Michael VE3WMB 

P.S. These should be available at a local motorsport shop. 
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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Absolutely. Remember, when the "UHF" connector was developed in the late
1930s, anything above 30 MHz was "UHF"!!

Millions of "UHF" connectors could be bought for a penny in WWII surplus
stores all over the USA in the late 1940's and 50's along with very cheap
"surplus" RG-8 coax. 

Hams facing serious issues with interference with the rapidly growing
numbers of TV viewers turned to coax and the "UHF" connectors as a way of
keeping RF away from the TV sets. Early TV sets had virtually no ability to
withstand overload from a nearby receiver. They were designed with the
assumption that there would be no transmitter of any sort within miles of
the set. 

So two standards came about in the 1950's and '60's: the SO- series "UHF"
connectors and RG-8 size coax for transmission line. 

73, Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-

I can think of one other reason why UHF has hung around so long.  It is
cheap, easy to find, and mates nicely with the oh so common RG-8 sized cable
that is generally used in HF shacks.  N would probably be a better choice
but is more expensive and fussier to install.  BNC connectors for RG-8 do
exist but are not cheap.  A stiff chunk of RG-8/LMR400 can put quite a
strain on a BNC connector if not routed and supported properly.  

David K0LUM

On Apr 26, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Craig Smith wrote:

> Even at 100 W, BNC is clearly the best choice.   The first thing I did
when I got my K3 was to get rid of the UHF connectors and put in  proper
BNCs.
> 
> 73  Craig  AC0DS
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Beta firmware rev. 1.44: Easier NR adjustment; DVR message play dropout fixed

[Dave Jones]

Wayne I believe I have found a bug. If the ATU TUNE is operated with the NR 
enabled then on return to receive their is a noticeable drop in receive audio 
level and more importantly there is no longer any TX power output. Also there is 
no indication of ALC or CMP but the TX LED does come on indicating that the KX3 
is in TX mode. I am not sure whether the receive sensitivity has dropped with 
the drop in receive audio. This also happens when the TUNE function is enabled. 
There is still power out when the ATU or TUNE is enabled but not when TXing from 
the MH2 mic. The receive audio is retored when the TUNE function is operated. 
The TX output is restored if the KEYER/MIC control is moved a little while 
operating the PTT.  The problem does not appear to exist when the NR is not 
enabled.  Others may like to check this and confirm it is not just my KX3 with 
the problem

Sorry to spoil your weekend Wayne
Dave VK4FD

Wayne Burdick wrote, on 26/04/13 05:58:

KX3 beta firmware rev 1.44 (with DSP rev 1.16) is now available. See release 
notes below.

You'll need the KX3 Utility application to download and install firmware. For 
full instructions on loading beta releases, refer to our KX3 software page:

 http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/KX3_software.htm

Wayne
N6KR

* * *

MCU 1.44 / DSP 1.16, 4-24-2013

* NOISE REDUCTION (NR) EASILY ADJUSTABLE: The overall level of noise reduction can now be set using 
the knob above the NR switch (AF/RF-SQL). When NR is turned on, the present setting will be 
displayed on VFO B for about 2 seconds. To select a new setting, rotate the knob before the display 
times out. The setting is independent for CW and voice modes. Note: The range of this parameter is 
0-10, corresponding to the "mix" or "M" parameter of the RX NR menu entry. See 
below.

* RX NR MENU ENTRY CHANGES: The RX NR menu entry can be used to adjust all 
three NR parameters (B¾ta, DÞcay, M=wet/dry mix). The M parameter now has a 
range of 0-10, matching the range available when the knob above the NR switch 
is used (see above). As before, all parameters can be adjusted separately for 
CW and voice modes. In most cases the factory default settings can be used for 
beta and decay, and the mix adjusted for the desired overall amount of NR using 
the knob (without using the menu). You can also now reset all NR parameters to 
factory defaults by holding CLR.

* DVR PLAY/REPEAT FIX: DVR play no longer drops messages.





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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Brian Alsop]

Nope! My Wavetek sig gen uses type N.  Bird watt meters use type N.
Some dummy loads use type C.  The list goes on.

Some Collins transmitters used RCA connectors.
73 de Brian/K3KO

On 4/27/2013 01:39, Jeff Herr wrote:

Come on.

All test equipment uses it!   ALL!




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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 17:05
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?


  > I wish it was standard practice to put BNC connectors on all QRP gear.

Not only is it too easy to damage the center pin/socket, BNC is a "clamp"
type connector and is prone to improper assembly.  Having "grown up" with
Heathkit, I would rather have RCA connectors - the old kind where the shield
can be soldered all the way around - than BNC connectors on RF devices below
50 MHz and less than 50 Watts.

73,

 ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/26/2013 7:46 PM, Tim wrote:

Hi,

I wish it was standard practice to put BNC connectors on all QRP gear.

Tim
KE4KE


On 4/26/13 6:36 PM, Jeff Herr wrote:

I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I
travel.

In effect now we are forced to need adapters.

Do you think BNC connection is not suitable from an engineering
perspective?

WW6L



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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: KXPA100 AMP and KXAT100 ATU pics and info

[Walter Underwood]

On Apr 26, 2013, at 8:57 AM, riese-k3...@juno.com wrote:

> The UHF connecor will handle more power than a type N,,, has negligable
> loss through 450 Mhz

The N connector handles higher voltages and thus more power than UHF.

BNC is 500V peak: 
http://www.amphenolrf.com/products/bnc.asp?N=0&sid=5179C380537E17F&;
UHF is 500V peak: 
http://www.amphenolrf.com/products/uhf.asp?N=0&sid=5179C3807BBEE17F&;
Type N is 1500V peak: 
http://www.amphenolrf.com/products/typen.asp?N=0&sid=5179C38028A2E17F&;

The UHF connector has substantial loss at 450 MHz, 1dB per connector pair. 

http://www.qsl.net/vk3jeg/pl259tst.html

wunder
--
Walter Underwood
K6WRU
CM87wj

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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Jim Brown]

On 4/26/2013 5:05 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
Not only is it too easy to damage the center pin/socket, BNC is a 
"clamp" type connector and is prone to improper assembly. 


YES.  This is one big reason why I try to avoid BNC connectors. I don't 
buy "cable assemblies," both because I don't want to pay someone else to 
do what I can do better myself, and because I don't trust unknown 
vendors to use high quality connectors and high quality cable.  Most 
pre-made "cable assemblies" are a "pig in a poke" at best, and cheap 
junk at worst.


I  buy good cable and good connectors and install them myself. While 
it's certainly possible to install crimp-type connectors well, it 
requires very good connectors that physically fit the cable, and a very 
good crimp tool that physically fits the connector.  Good crimp tools 
are expensive, and to do it WELL, you need a different tool for every 
different connector that you want to use.


Appliance operators may be happy with buying pre-wired BNC cable 
assemblies from vendors who believe that "hams are cheap" (and that's 
exactly what one of the most popular East Coast vendors of ham cable 
assemblies told me when I complained about the JUNK DIN connectors they 
had sold me, and that same vendor didn't have a real technical data 
sheet tor the coax he wanted to use for a DXpedition that wanted to buy 
coax from them. The BNC cable shipped with one of my P3s was defective. :)


UHF connectors are very good connectors for use at HFat ham power 
levels. Because they're not precisely 50 ohms, they are less desirable 
at VHF and above.


One of the major reasons BNCs are popular with QRP folks is that they 
are smaller, so they take up less space on a panel, and lighter in weight.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: KXPA100 AMP and KXAT100 ATU pics and info

[Jeff Herr]

An elecraft "approved" alternative is acceptable to me.
I don't mind retrofittingi would get the kit form anyway so it's a snap.

But I would like it to be blessed by the design team.

You know, a blessing.









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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of riese-k3...@juno.com
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 08:57
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: KXPA100 AMP and KXAT100 ATU pics and info



Oak Hills Research sells a similar BNC bulkhead connector that fits in a UHF
hole.

http://www.ohr.com/parts.htm

BNC can handle roughly the same power as UHF. The max voltage on an Amphenol
UHF connector is 600V. The max for BNC is 500V. A Type N connector can
handle 1500V, so you can see how poor the UHF is for its size.

wunder
K6WRU
`


The UHF connecor will handle more power than a type N,,, has negligable loss
through 450 Mhz EZ to install and anyone that installs any connector outside
and doesnt tape and seal is asking for issues used UHFs in a 432 array which
was up for 10 years the connectors were as bright N shiny as when I out em
up,,, when I took then down

Bob K3DJC
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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Jeff Herr]

Finally! Some I can agree with!


You take the prize!

I wont use that type of cable on a trail radio.






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Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 18:14
To: Craig Smith
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

I can think of one other reason why UHF has hung around so long.  It is
cheap, easy to find, and mates nicely with the oh so common RG-8 sized cable
that is generally used in HF shacks.  N would probably be a better choice
but is more expensive and fussier to install.  BNC connectors for RG-8 do
exist but are not cheap.  A stiff chunk of RG-8/LMR400 can put quite a
strain on a BNC connector if not routed and supported properly.  

David K0LUM

On Apr 26, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Craig Smith wrote:

> Even at 100 W, BNC is clearly the best choice.   The first thing I did
when I got my K3 was to get rid of the UHF connectors and put in  proper
BNCs.
> 
> 73  Craig  AC0DS
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Gary Gregory]

Maybe they want to be the same as others when it comes to 100w output hf
amps?

QRP standard seems to be BNC

I am guessing.

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 27/04/2013 11:37 AM, "Jeff Herr"  wrote:

> The radio I bought from elecraft uses bnc.
> The antenna I bought from elecraft uses bnc.
>
> Why does the amp connector type need to be the venerable UHF connector??
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dse...@dseven.org [mailto:dse...@dseven.org] On Behalf Of iain
> macdonnell - N6ML
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 17:19
> To: Jeff Herr
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Jeff Herr  wrote:
> > Portability.
> >
> > Every little thing adds up.  Any connection you can eliminate is good.
> >
> > One adapter adds two connections.
>
> Did you even look at the cable I referenced? You can't eliminate the cable
> between the transceiver and the amp .. so just get one with the right
> connectors and you're set. No adapters needed.
>
>
> > Unless there is an engineering related reason?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there one?
>
> I can't speak for the designers ... but my guess would be that the
> KXPA100 is designed to be a standalone product. The KX3 was the main
> motivation for creation of the product, but it's not a KX3-specific.
> SO-239 is the industry standard for HF gear, except QRP, as stated by
> others.
>
> 73,
>
> ~iain / N6ML
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: dse...@dseven.org [mailto:dse...@dseven.org] On Behalf Of iain
> > macdonnell - N6ML
> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 16:58
> > To: Jeff Herr
> > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product
> line?
> >
> > Others have articulated some reasons.
> >
> > Why is this such a big deal for you? That is the other question
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ~iain / N6ML
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Herr  wrote:
> >> I don't want to buy or make or use any adapters.
> >>
> >> Why not keep the connector consistent across the product line?
> >>
> >> That is the question!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: dse...@dseven.org [mailto:dse...@dseven.org] On Behalf Of iain
> >> macdonnell - N6ML
> >> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 16:53
> >> To: Jeff Herr
> >> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product
> > line?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jeff Herr  wrote:
> >>> I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I
> >> travel.
> >>>
> >>> In effect now we are forced to need adapters.
> >>
> >> Or you could get some thing like:
> >>
> >> http://abrind.com/product/rg58au-rg8x-240uf-95tc-braid-100-foil-coax-
> >> c able-a ssemblies-bnc-n-pl259-sma-so23/pl259-to-bnc-male-jumpers/
> >>
> >> I can't vouch for ABR's products (never tried them). Personally, I
> >> would make my own
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> ~iain / N6ML
> >>
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Jeff Herr]

Come on.

All test equipment uses it!   ALL!




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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 17:05
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?


 > I wish it was standard practice to put BNC connectors on all QRP gear.

Not only is it too easy to damage the center pin/socket, BNC is a "clamp"
type connector and is prone to improper assembly.  Having "grown up" with
Heathkit, I would rather have RCA connectors - the old kind where the shield
can be soldered all the way around - than BNC connectors on RF devices below
50 MHz and less than 50 Watts.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 4/26/2013 7:46 PM, Tim wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wish it was standard practice to put BNC connectors on all QRP gear.
>
> Tim
> KE4KE
>
>
> On 4/26/13 6:36 PM, Jeff Herr wrote:
>> I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I 
>> travel.
>>
>> In effect now we are forced to need adapters.
>>
>> Do you think BNC connection is not suitable from an engineering 
>> perspective?
>>
>> WW6L
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Jeff Herr]

The radio I bought from elecraft uses bnc.
The antenna I bought from elecraft uses bnc.

Why does the amp connector type need to be the venerable UHF connector??





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From: dse...@dseven.org [mailto:dse...@dseven.org] On Behalf Of iain
macdonnell - N6ML
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 17:19
To: Jeff Herr
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Jeff Herr  wrote:
> Portability.
>
> Every little thing adds up.  Any connection you can eliminate is good.
>
> One adapter adds two connections.

Did you even look at the cable I referenced? You can't eliminate the cable
between the transceiver and the amp .. so just get one with the right
connectors and you're set. No adapters needed.


> Unless there is an engineering related reason?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Is there one?

I can't speak for the designers ... but my guess would be that the
KXPA100 is designed to be a standalone product. The KX3 was the main
motivation for creation of the product, but it's not a KX3-specific.
SO-239 is the industry standard for HF gear, except QRP, as stated by
others.

73,

~iain / N6ML




> -Original Message-
> From: dse...@dseven.org [mailto:dse...@dseven.org] On Behalf Of iain 
> macdonnell - N6ML
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 16:58
> To: Jeff Herr
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product
line?
>
> Others have articulated some reasons.
>
> Why is this such a big deal for you? That is the other question
>
> 73,
>
> ~iain / N6ML
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Herr  wrote:
>> I don't want to buy or make or use any adapters.
>>
>> Why not keep the connector consistent across the product line?
>>
>> That is the question!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: dse...@dseven.org [mailto:dse...@dseven.org] On Behalf Of iain 
>> macdonnell - N6ML
>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 16:53
>> To: Jeff Herr
>> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product
> line?
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jeff Herr  wrote:
>>> I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I
>> travel.
>>>
>>> In effect now we are forced to need adapters.
>>
>> Or you could get some thing like:
>>
>> http://abrind.com/product/rg58au-rg8x-240uf-95tc-braid-100-foil-coax-
>> c able-a ssemblies-bnc-n-pl259-sma-so23/pl259-to-bnc-male-jumpers/
>>
>> I can't vouch for ABR's products (never tried them). Personally, I 
>> would make my own
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ~iain / N6ML
>>
>

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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[David Christ]

I can think of one other reason why UHF has hung around so long.  It is cheap, 
easy to find, and mates nicely with the oh so common RG-8 sized cable that is 
generally used in HF shacks.  N would probably be a better choice but is more 
expensive and fussier to install.  BNC connectors for RG-8 do exist but are not 
cheap.  A stiff chunk of RG-8/LMR400 can put quite a strain on a BNC connector 
if not routed and supported properly.  

David K0LUM

On Apr 26, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Craig Smith wrote:

> Even at 100 W, BNC is clearly the best choice.   The first thing I did when I 
> got my K3 was to get rid of the UHF connectors and put in  proper BNCs.
> 
> 73  Craig  AC0DS
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 keying using CWtype on USB

[bill . va3ol]

This email doesn't seem to have made it to the elecraft list so I am
sending it again. If it is a dup. My apology.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:42 PM,  wrote:

> I have been looking for a way to key my KX3, via USB using CWtype. I found
> a solution.
>
> Search Ebay for USB CW (morse code) keying cable with opto-isolator.
>
>
> Seller is: *phutping*
>
> This is a UK seller who provided the cable in 5 days UK to Canada. and it
> works.
>
> Finally I don't have to use the KX3 utility to key the rig via USB.
>
>
> Bill, VA3OL
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[Elecraft] KX3 VFO noise

[Gary Gregory]

Ahafound the fix with a little poke around the Menu..VFO NR...Turned it
ON...noise has now gone.

73



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[Elecraft] KX3 vfo tuning noise

[Gary Gregory]

I think I read about this before but cannot find anything now.

VFO A/B and rit/ofs knob also, produce a 'creaking chair' type of noise
when tuning across the band.

Was there a discussion on this some time ago and if so a fix?

Not a big deal but still rather not have it.

73

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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Craig Smith]

Even at 100 W, BNC is clearly the best choice.   The first thing I did when I 
got my K3 was to get rid of the UHF connectors and put in  proper BNCs.

73  Craig  AC0DS

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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> I wish it was standard practice to put BNC connectors on all QRP gear.

Not only is it too easy to damage the center pin/socket, BNC is a 
"clamp" type connector and is prone to improper assembly.  Having

"grown up" with Heathkit, I would rather have RCA connectors - the
old kind where the shield can be soldered all the way around - than
BNC connectors on RF devices below 50 MHz and less than 50 Watts.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/26/2013 7:46 PM, Tim wrote:

Hi,

I wish it was standard practice to put BNC connectors on all QRP gear.

Tim
KE4KE


On 4/26/13 6:36 PM, Jeff Herr wrote:

I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I
travel.

In effect now we are forced to need adapters.

Do you think BNC connection is not suitable from an engineering
perspective?

WW6L



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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Walter Underwood]

UHF connectors are embarrassing. They are obsolete and only used on ham and CB 
gear. I'd pay extra to have BNC or N connectors.

wunder
K6WRU

On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:00 PM, amsct...@comcast.net wrote:

> Engineering perspective? I'm an MSEE, have been working with BNC connectors 
> for thirty years and I don't have issue with their use on HF radio gear. If 
> they're good enough for Agilent, Rohde and Schwarz, Anritsu, et al, they're 
> good enough for a 10W HF transceiver. 
> 
> 
> Mike Alexander - N8MSA 
> 
> amsct...@comcast.net 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeff Herr"  
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:36:41 PM 
> Subject: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line? 
> 
> I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I travel. 
> 
> In effect now we are forced to need adapters. 
> 
> Do you think BNC connection is not suitable from an engineering perspective? 
> 
> WW6L 
> 




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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[amsctalx]

Engineering perspective? I'm an MSEE, have been working with BNC connectors for 
thirty years and I don't have issue with their use on HF radio gear. If they're 
good enough for Agilent, Rohde and Schwarz, Anritsu, et al, they're good enough 
for a 10W HF transceiver. 


Mike Alexander - N8MSA 

amsct...@comcast.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Jeff Herr"  
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:36:41 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line? 

I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I travel. 

In effect now we are forced to need adapters. 

Do you think BNC connection is not suitable from an engineering perspective? 

WW6L 



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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[iain macdonnell - N6ML]

Others have articulated some reasons.

Why is this such a big deal for you? That is the other question

73,

~iain / N6ML


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jeff Herr  wrote:
> I don't want to buy or make or use any adapters.
>
> Why not keep the connector consistent across the product line?
>
> That is the question!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dse...@dseven.org [mailto:dse...@dseven.org] On Behalf Of iain
> macdonnell - N6ML
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 16:53
> To: Jeff Herr
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jeff Herr  wrote:
>> I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I
> travel.
>>
>> In effect now we are forced to need adapters.
>
> Or you could get some thing like:
>
> http://abrind.com/product/rg58au-rg8x-240uf-95tc-braid-100-foil-coax-cable-a
> ssemblies-bnc-n-pl259-sma-so23/pl259-to-bnc-male-jumpers/
>
> I can't vouch for ABR's products (never tried them). Personally, I would
> make my own
>
> 73,
>
> ~iain / N6ML
>
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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Jeff Herr]

I don't want to buy or make or use any adapters.

Why not keep the connector consistent across the product line?

That is the question!












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macdonnell - N6ML
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 16:53
To: Jeff Herr
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jeff Herr  wrote:
> I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I
travel.
>
> In effect now we are forced to need adapters.

Or you could get some thing like:

http://abrind.com/product/rg58au-rg8x-240uf-95tc-braid-100-foil-coax-cable-a
ssemblies-bnc-n-pl259-sma-so23/pl259-to-bnc-male-jumpers/

I can't vouch for ABR's products (never tried them). Personally, I would
make my own

73,

~iain / N6ML

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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Don Wilhelm]

Tim,

All Elecraft QRP level gear uses BNC connectors.  The 100 watt class 
amplifiers and tuners use UHF connectors.
Yes, the QRP community has adopted BNC connectors as "standard". 
Elecraft adheres to that.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/26/2013 7:46 PM, Tim wrote:

Hi,

I wish it was standard practice to put BNC connectors on all QRP gear.

Tim
KE4KE



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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[iain macdonnell - N6ML]

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jeff Herr  wrote:
> I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I travel.
>
> In effect now we are forced to need adapters.

Or you could get some thing like:

http://abrind.com/product/rg58au-rg8x-240uf-95tc-braid-100-foil-coax-cable-assemblies-bnc-n-pl259-sma-so23/pl259-to-bnc-male-jumpers/

I can't vouch for ABR's products (never tried them). Personally, I
would make my own

73,

~iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Don Wilhelm]

Jeff,

There are a number of amateurs who just do not like BNC connectors and 
will not use them.  In fact I have heard some comment when looking at a 
K2/10 say "That antenna connector MUST be changed to a UHF type".  While 
I do not agree, it is a perception that must be dealt with at Elecraft.  
Couple that with the fact that BNC is largely the 'standard' for QRP 
transceivers, but not for 100 watt and over rigs where the UHF connector 
reigns supreme.


Adapters are not a problem IMHO, they can just stay on the SO-239 jack 
and usually do not get in the way.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/26/2013 7:36 PM, Jeff Herr wrote:

I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I travel.

In effect now we are forced to need adapters.

Do you think BNC connection is not suitable from an engineering perspective?




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Re: [Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Tim]

Hi,

I wish it was standard practice to put BNC connectors on all QRP gear.

Tim
KE4KE


On 4/26/13 6:36 PM, Jeff Herr wrote:

I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I travel.

In effect now we are forced to need adapters.

Do you think BNC connection is not suitable from an engineering perspective?

WW6L



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[Elecraft] why mix rf connector types within the product line?

[Jeff Herr]

I will end up taking the units (kx3 and that nice amp) with me as I travel.

In effect now we are forced to need adapters.

Do you think BNC connection is not suitable from an engineering perspective?

WW6L



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Beta firmware rev. 1.44: Easier NR adjustment; DVR message play dropout fixed

[Matt Zilmer]

I like it!  I left my settings in RX NR alone, and just used the
multifunction control.  I found the whole range was usable in CW and
SSB.  At the higher levels, a bit more AF gain is needed.

Next, I'll put the noise source outside near the doublet and see if I
can tune around and pull sigs out of the noisier background.  My place
is normally very quiet on HF, so have to artificially raise the noise
floor to give the feature a thorough workout.

Thanks Wayne!

73,
matt

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:58:16 -0700, you wrote:

>KX3 beta firmware rev 1.44 (with DSP rev 1.16) is now available. See release 
>notes below.
>
>You'll need the KX3 Utility application to download and install firmware. For 
>full instructions on loading beta releases, refer to our KX3 software page:
>
>http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/KX3_software.htm
>
>Wayne
>N6KR
>
>* * *
>
>MCU 1.44 / DSP 1.16, 4-24-2013
>
>* NOISE REDUCTION (NR) EASILY ADJUSTABLE: The overall level of noise reduction 
>can now be set using the knob above the NR switch (AF/RF-SQL). When NR is 
>turned on, the present setting will be displayed on VFO B for about 2 seconds. 
>To select a new setting, rotate the knob before the display times out. The 
>setting is independent for CW and voice modes. Note: The range of this 
>parameter is 0-10, corresponding to the “mix” or “M” parameter of the RX NR 
>menu entry. See below.
>
>* RX NR MENU ENTRY CHANGES: The RX NR menu entry can be used to adjust all 
>three NR parameters (B=beta, D=decay, M=wet/dry mix). The M parameter now has 
>a range of 0-10, matching the range available when the knob above the NR 
>switch is used (see above). As before, all parameters can be adjusted 
>separately for CW and voice modes. In most cases the factory default settings 
>can be used for beta and decay, and the mix adjusted for the desired overall 
>amount of NR using the knob (without using the menu). You can also now reset 
>all NR parameters to factory defaults by holding CLR.
>
>* DVR PLAY/REPEAT FIX: DVR play no longer drops messages.
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

[Stephen Roberts]

I'm with you Mark. A123's are the bees knees. I also use them for RC planes and 
they can put out 30A no sweat and you can charge them much faster than Lipo's. 

Steve

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Mark Goldberg  wrote:

> I am very big on LiFePO4 battery packs, 4 Genuine A123 cell 2.3 AH
> ones to be exact. They start out about 14V and provide about 2 AH till
> they get down to 12V when I stop and switch to another one. This
> allows full power on the KX3 as the voltage drop is very low even when
> transmitting at 12 W. I got packs with a balancing connector and
> charge with a balancing charger.
> 
> You also need to consider the weight of a decent feedline, balun and /
> or counterpoise that drastically effect transmit efficiency. I created
> a go kit with all that and a headset and an extendable pole for an
> inverted V support and a hard case for my KX3 that came to about 7 lb.
> I set that up on a beach in Maui last week with some success, but had
> good success working a contest from my back yard when the other end
> were contest stations with good antennas.
> 
> This is my kit
> 
> 20M
> ItemOz
> Radio With Eneloops   34.4
> Hard Case 10.5
> Battery with Power Cable12.4
> Headset  6.8
> Balun6
> Pole 20 Ft usable   15.7
> Antenna wire on looms  2.9
> Extra Antenna Wire for 20M   1.3
> Feed (300 ohm ladr) on loom   12.4
> Base measuring rope on loom5
> 
> 
> Total Oz 107.4
> Total Lb 6.71
> 
> 
> I added a 2 lb netbook to all this for logging. I hate dupe sheets.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Apr 26, 2013 9:40 AM, "Wayne Burdick"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This year I'm going to break with tradition and *not* drag tons of gear to 
>> my field-day site. I'm going minimal….4 pounds max of radio gear. This will 
>> allow me to put more emphasis on food, drink, and enjoying time with my son 
>> (now almost 9). If anyone else is up for "FD4#", let me know. I'd like to 
>> compare notes on equipment, especially antennas, battery packs, and logging.
>> 
>> 4 pounds (or so) is not an arbitrary number. This allows for:
>> 
>> - a KX3 with internal ATU and attached paddle
>> - mic and headphones
>> - external Li battery, plus 8 internal AA batteries in the rig as a backup
>> - two 50' (roughly) lengths of antenna wire, adapters, and a couple of 1-oz 
>> weights to get one wire into a tree
>> - paper log and dupe sheets (maybe…more on this below)
>> - soft carrying case for all of the above (in my case, a Think Tank "Strobe 
>> Stuff" bag)
>> 
>> I still expect to be reasonably competitive in the 1B-battery category even 
>> with this lightweight station. I hope to operate on 80-6 meters in CW, SSB, 
>> and digital modes (RTTY using the CW paddle and the KX3's text decode 
>> function).
>> 
>> There are two items I'm still working on:
>> 
>> 1. External battery
>> 
>> I need something that will fit into the bottom of the Strobe Stuff bag. It 
>> should supply at least 11 V, and I'd prefer 4 to 5 AH, though I could get by 
>> with 3 AH and switch to the internal AAs later if necessary. Has any 
>> consensus formed about specific Li battery packs in this class? Ideal max 
>> size would be 1x3x2.5" (HWD).
>> 
>> 2. Logging
>> 
>> I actually like paper logging in the field. It's kind of a Zen thing, 
>> checking dupe sheets manually (Griffin is old enough to help with this, 
>> too). But are there any good FD apps for the iPhone? I need the iPhone 
>> anyway so it doesn't count towards the station weight total. If there's an 
>> app that's easy to use for this, I'd love to try it. Heck, I'd even pay for 
>> it.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

[Fred Jensen]

On 4/26/2013 9:39 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:


1. External battery

I need something that will fit into the bottom of the Strobe Stuff
bag. It should supply at least 11 V, and I'd prefer 4 to 5 AH, though
I could get by with 3 AH and switch to the internal AAs later if
necessary. Has any consensus formed about specific Li battery packs
in this class? Ideal max size would be 1x3x2.5" (HWD).


I use a 4Ah LiFePO4 A123 pack for SOTA activations and other field 
events [QRPTTF tomorrow] with my K2.  It weighs about 400gm, and is 
pretty close to your size spec above.  Fully charged, it starts out at 
about 12.4V which drops to 11.7 in a very short time.  The discharge 
curve is flat thereafter until just before depletion when it drops 
rapidly.  Be sure and fuse the power leads, the thing will produce about 
30-40C into a short. :-)


The SOTA rule requires that "the final access to the summit be 
non-motorized."  They are deliberately vague to be inclusive for those 
with physical limitations [like me].  My current SOTA rig is the K2, a 
tiny Am Morse Equip paddle on the clipboard I log on, the above battery, 
and an AlexLoop.  My KX1, 900mAh Li-poly model plane battery, and 28 
foot wire made by pulling the center conductor out of a piece of RG-58 
is the backup.  It all fits in my back pack and I can either park and 
hike to the summit, or park there, hike down a bit and back up.  Net 
weight of rig is probably about 3kg.


2. Logging

I actually like paper logging in the field. It's kind of a Zen thing,
checking dupe sheets manually (Griffin is old enough to help with
this, too). But are there any good FD apps for the iPhone? I need the
iPhone anyway so it doesn't count towards the station weight total.
If there's an app that's easy to use for this, I'd love to try it.
Heck, I'd even pay for it.


I have one on my Android called SOTA Logger but I don't think it does 
dupe checking.  I've actually never used it, paper/pen works just fine.


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Re: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

[Walter Underwood]

The lightest battery option is non-rechargable Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA 
batteries. Those are about 4oz for 3000mAh. If you need more that than, carry a 
second set. 

wunder
K6WRU

On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote:

> I am very big on LiFePO4 battery packs, 4 Genuine A123 cell 2.3 AH
> ones to be exact. They start out about 14V and provide about 2 AH till
> they get down to 12V when I stop and switch to another one. This
> allows full power on the KX3 as the voltage drop is very low even when
> transmitting at 12 W. I got packs with a balancing connector and
> charge with a balancing charger.
> 
> You also need to consider the weight of a decent feedline, balun and /
> or counterpoise that drastically effect transmit efficiency. I created
> a go kit with all that and a headset and an extendable pole for an
> inverted V support and a hard case for my KX3 that came to about 7 lb.
> I set that up on a beach in Maui last week with some success, but had
> good success working a contest from my back yard when the other end
> were contest stations with good antennas.
> 
> This is my kit
> 
> 20M
> ItemOz
> Radio With Eneloops   34.4
> Hard Case 10.5
> Battery with Power Cable12.4
> Headset  6.8
> Balun6
> Pole 20 Ft usable   15.7
> Antenna wire on looms  2.9
> Extra Antenna Wire for 20M   1.3
> Feed (300 ohm ladr) on loom   12.4
> Base measuring rope on loom5
> 
> 
> Total Oz 107.4
> Total Lb 6.71
> 
> 
> I added a 2 lb netbook to all this for logging. I hate dupe sheets.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Apr 26, 2013 9:40 AM, "Wayne Burdick"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This year I'm going to break with tradition and *not* drag tons of gear to 
>> my field-day site. I'm going minimal….4 pounds max of radio gear. This will 
>> allow me to put more emphasis on food, drink, and enjoying time with my son 
>> (now almost 9). If anyone else is up for "FD4#", let me know. I'd like to 
>> compare notes on equipment, especially antennas, battery packs, and logging.
>> 
>> 4 pounds (or so) is not an arbitrary number. This allows for:
>> 
>> - a KX3 with internal ATU and attached paddle
>> - mic and headphones
>> - external Li battery, plus 8 internal AA batteries in the rig as a backup
>> - two 50' (roughly) lengths of antenna wire, adapters, and a couple of 1-oz 
>> weights to get one wire into a tree
>> - paper log and dupe sheets (maybe…more on this below)
>> - soft carrying case for all of the above (in my case, a Think Tank "Strobe 
>> Stuff" bag)
>> 
>> I still expect to be reasonably competitive in the 1B-battery category even 
>> with this lightweight station. I hope to operate on 80-6 meters in CW, SSB, 
>> and digital modes (RTTY using the CW paddle and the KX3's text decode 
>> function).
>> 
>> There are two items I'm still working on:
>> 
>> 1. External battery
>> 
>> I need something that will fit into the bottom of the Strobe Stuff bag. It 
>> should supply at least 11 V, and I'd prefer 4 to 5 AH, though I could get by 
>> with 3 AH and switch to the internal AAs later if necessary. Has any 
>> consensus formed about specific Li battery packs in this class? Ideal max 
>> size would be 1x3x2.5" (HWD).
>> 
>> 2. Logging
>> 
>> I actually like paper logging in the field. It's kind of a Zen thing, 
>> checking dupe sheets manually (Griffin is old enough to help with this, 
>> too). But are there any good FD apps for the iPhone? I need the iPhone 
>> anyway so it doesn't count towards the station weight total. If there's an 
>> app that's easy to use for this, I'd love to try it. Heck, I'd even pay for 
>> it.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
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[Elecraft] Elecraft Service

[John Veach]

My K3 died a couple of weeks ago after I installed the 2m module. I guess my
static electricity protection was lacking although I did the work on a
static mat and had my wrist strap on all the time, grounded to the station
ground.

In any case, I sent the K3 to Elecraft, got a confirmation email from them
when it arrived in CA and after a bit more than a week, I got a call from
one of the technicians there.  He told me that U5 on the RF board was toast
and that he would replace it.  He also inquired how I was planning to use
the 2m module. When I told him some FM some SSB or CW he suggested the
REFLOCK option for SSB. I told them to go ahead and put it in, not a hard
decision since there was no labor charge as the rig was already in pieces!

He then called me back telling me that he didn't like the way the front
panel paint was adhering and that two of the front panel knobs were cracked.
He replaced all of that and then bench checked the rig to equal or exceed
published specs.  He checked all of my installed options and the VCO cal and
set the Ref cal.  He also checked the watt meter and S meter calibration.
The bill was about $125 plus another $100 for the REFLOCK option. Since the
return shipping was around $30, the actual repair and no charge new parts
was under $100.

Just a bit over two weeks after I sent the rig in, it was returned to me in
better condition than when I sent it out. 

Another example of great service from Elecraft.  

 

John KE4D

Unit 38 Fort Clark Springs

Brackettville, TX

 

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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 AMP and KXAT100 ATU pics and info

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Sure. The KXPA100 will work with any radio that provides PTT and RF.

Eric
elecraft.com

On 4/25/2013 9:35 AM, AD6XY wrote:

Looks very nice  - Does it work with the K3/10?



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Re: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

[Mark Goldberg]

I am very big on LiFePO4 battery packs, 4 Genuine A123 cell 2.3 AH
ones to be exact. They start out about 14V and provide about 2 AH till
they get down to 12V when I stop and switch to another one. This
allows full power on the KX3 as the voltage drop is very low even when
transmitting at 12 W. I got packs with a balancing connector and
charge with a balancing charger.

You also need to consider the weight of a decent feedline, balun and /
or counterpoise that drastically effect transmit efficiency. I created
a go kit with all that and a headset and an extendable pole for an
inverted V support and a hard case for my KX3 that came to about 7 lb.
I set that up on a beach in Maui last week with some success, but had
good success working a contest from my back yard when the other end
were contest stations with good antennas.

This is my kit

20M
ItemOz
Radio With Eneloops   34.4
Hard Case 10.5
Battery with Power Cable12.4
Headset  6.8
Balun6
Pole 20 Ft usable   15.7
Antenna wire on looms  2.9
Extra Antenna Wire for 20M   1.3
Feed (300 ohm ladr) on loom   12.4
Base measuring rope on loom5


Total Oz 107.4
Total Lb 6.71


I added a 2 lb netbook to all this for logging. I hate dupe sheets.

Mark

On Apr 26, 2013 9:40 AM, "Wayne Burdick"  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> This year I'm going to break with tradition and *not* drag tons of gear to my 
> field-day site. I'm going minimal….4 pounds max of radio gear. This will 
> allow me to put more emphasis on food, drink, and enjoying time with my son 
> (now almost 9). If anyone else is up for "FD4#", let me know. I'd like to 
> compare notes on equipment, especially antennas, battery packs, and logging.
>
> 4 pounds (or so) is not an arbitrary number. This allows for:
>
> - a KX3 with internal ATU and attached paddle
> - mic and headphones
> - external Li battery, plus 8 internal AA batteries in the rig as a backup
> - two 50' (roughly) lengths of antenna wire, adapters, and a couple of 1-oz 
> weights to get one wire into a tree
> - paper log and dupe sheets (maybe…more on this below)
> - soft carrying case for all of the above (in my case, a Think Tank "Strobe 
> Stuff" bag)
>
> I still expect to be reasonably competitive in the 1B-battery category even 
> with this lightweight station. I hope to operate on 80-6 meters in CW, SSB, 
> and digital modes (RTTY using the CW paddle and the KX3's text decode 
> function).
>
> There are two items I'm still working on:
>
> 1. External battery
>
> I need something that will fit into the bottom of the Strobe Stuff bag. It 
> should supply at least 11 V, and I'd prefer 4 to 5 AH, though I could get by 
> with 3 AH and switch to the internal AAs later if necessary. Has any 
> consensus formed about specific Li battery packs in this class? Ideal max 
> size would be 1x3x2.5" (HWD).
>
> 2. Logging
>
> I actually like paper logging in the field. It's kind of a Zen thing, 
> checking dupe sheets manually (Griffin is old enough to help with this, too). 
> But are there any good FD apps for the iPhone? I need the iPhone anyway so it 
> doesn't count towards the station weight total. If there's an app that's easy 
> to use for this, I'd love to try it. Heck, I'd even pay for it.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 duty cycle

[Jim Brown]

On 4/26/2013 5:09 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:

I wonder why there is no cooling fan. I see a reasonable sized heatsink and
of course power consumption is lower without the fan.

Perhaps there is an opportunity to power an external fan from the APP
output connector on the rear?

Was this one application the designer had in mind?


One could always add an outboard fan, and I've done that when I thought 
a particular rig or amp might need it.  BUT -- Elecraft has been 
building power amps for a decade now, this is their third 100W amp, at 
least one key member of the design team is a serious contester and does 
RTTY contesting. They understand real world conditions, are very 
conservative in their designs, their amps have earned a reputation for 
being both robust and trouble-free. Back in my EE courses (nearly 50 
years ago now), I learned that it is entirely possible to achieve this 
with suitably rated output devices, a suitable heat sink and good 
protection circuitry.  I saw the demo piece at Visalia last week, and 
it's got a BIG heat sink.


Bottom line -- I trust their design.

BTW -- for those who may have missed it, the great functional difference 
between this 100W amp and the 100W amp in the K3 is that it is designed 
to be physically separated from the rig that drives it -- under a desk, 
under a car seat, in the trunk.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

[George Cortez Jr]

I was thinking about a sla in a pelican case with the connectors routed through 
the case...

George

On Apr 26, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> This year I'm going to break with tradition and *not* drag tons of gear to my 
> field-day site. I'm going minimal….4 pounds max of radio gear. This will 
> allow me to put more emphasis on food, drink, and enjoying time with my son 
> (now almost 9). If anyone else is up for "FD4#", let me know. I'd like to 
> compare notes on equipment, especially antennas, battery packs, and logging.
> 
> 4 pounds (or so) is not an arbitrary number. This allows for:
> 
> - a KX3 with internal ATU and attached paddle
> - mic and headphones
> - external Li battery, plus 8 internal AA batteries in the rig as a backup
> - two 50' (roughly) lengths of antenna wire, adapters, and a couple of 1-oz 
> weights to get one wire into a tree
> - paper log and dupe sheets (maybe…more on this below)
> - soft carrying case for all of the above (in my case, a Think Tank "Strobe 
> Stuff" bag)
> 
> I still expect to be reasonably competitive in the 1B-battery category even 
> with this lightweight station. I hope to operate on 80-6 meters in CW, SSB, 
> and digital modes (RTTY using the CW paddle and the KX3's text decode 
> function).
> 
> There are two items I'm still working on:
> 
> 1. External battery
> 
> I need something that will fit into the bottom of the Strobe Stuff bag. It 
> should supply at least 11 V, and I'd prefer 4 to 5 AH, though I could get by 
> with 3 AH and switch to the internal AAs later if necessary. Has any 
> consensus formed about specific Li battery packs in this class? Ideal max 
> size would be 1x3x2.5" (HWD).
> 
> 2. Logging
> 
> I actually like paper logging in the field. It's kind of a Zen thing, 
> checking dupe sheets manually (Griffin is old enough to help with this, too). 
> But are there any good FD apps for the iPhone? I need the iPhone anyway so it 
> doesn't count towards the station weight total. If there's an app that's easy 
> to use for this, I'd love to try it. Heck, I'd even pay for it.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] KX3-k, S/N 2917!

[Jim Harris]

*Good morning, Folks.*
**
*I had a mystery with my KX3 this morning!*

*I woke up this morning to a "DEAD" receiver in my KX3 on 40m.  (Last night
when I was using it, it was fully operational!)  I then checked all of the
switches & connections and they seem to be correct and tight.  **I then
tried my K2 and there was "static" on 40m as is normal around here.  *
**
*Yesterday I had installed Beta Firmware v1.44 beta and luckily [or
unluckily, whichever way you want to look at it] "SAVED" my
configuration.  At one time the latest KX3 Utility (1.12.8.11 for Windows)
even indicated that it didn't look as if I had a KX3 "attached": which I
definitely did.  [It's ALWAYS connected to my computer via an Elecraft USB
Cable.]*

*Now here is another mysterious twist!  I had resigned myself I was going
to have to box up my KX3 to send off for repair. But then I thought I would
give a try to that wonderful "RESTORE" option in the Utility before I
resorted to such a drastic move. (I had restored my K3 to operation in the
past with this option/procedure with another Beta version of the K3
Firmware: I didn't report this malfunction and I should have!) I went
through the operation of a "RESTORE" of my saved configuration (v1.44 Beta)
and jwalah (? - spelling but you get the point), my KX3 came back to life.*

*Is this a flaw in Beta v1.44 Version of the Firmware?*

*Best 72 & 73.*
*Jim..*
*WA4NTM* 
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Re: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

[Nick Garner]

On the HamLog note, it does have a Field Day logger built in.

It's coming close to the time for me to get any changes into that part of
the app to make sure they're live before the event.  If anyone has any
suggestions on things to change, please send them directly to me and I'll
try to get them in there.  I recently made a few changes to the dup checker
to make it more proactive and added the new Ontario sections.  Also, it
does work with Piglet/KX3 for automated mode/freq logging.

I happily give out Promo Codes for the app, so if anyone wants a free copy,
let me know.

73,
Nick
N3WG


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:

> for your Iphone/pad field day logger, take a look at an app called hamlog
> in the app store.  it may fit the bill.  I beleive they even have an
> interface available for the K/(x)3 that can be obtained.
>
> 
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick [n...@elecraft.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:39 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector; k...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?
>
> Hi all,
>
> This year I'm going to break with tradition and *not* drag tons of gear to
> my field-day site. I'm going minimal….4 pounds max of radio gear. This will
> allow me to put more emphasis on food, drink, and enjoying time with my son
> (now almost 9). If anyone else is up for "FD4#", let me know. I'd like to
> compare notes on equipment, especially antennas, battery packs, and logging.
>
> 4 pounds (or so) is not an arbitrary number. This allows for:
>
> - a KX3 with internal ATU and attached paddle
> - mic and headphones
> - external Li battery, plus 8 internal AA batteries in the rig as a backup
> - two 50' (roughly) lengths of antenna wire, adapters, and a couple of
> 1-oz weights to get one wire into a tree
> - paper log and dupe sheets (maybe…more on this below)
> - soft carrying case for all of the above (in my case, a Think Tank
> "Strobe Stuff" bag)
>
> I still expect to be reasonably competitive in the 1B-battery category
> even with this lightweight station. I hope to operate on 80-6 meters in CW,
> SSB, and digital modes (RTTY using the CW paddle and the KX3's text decode
> function).
>
> There are two items I'm still working on:
>
> 1. External battery
>
> I need something that will fit into the bottom of the Strobe Stuff bag. It
> should supply at least 11 V, and I'd prefer 4 to 5 AH, though I could get
> by with 3 AH and switch to the internal AAs later if necessary. Has any
> consensus formed about specific Li battery packs in this class? Ideal max
> size would be 1x3x2.5" (HWD).
>
> 2. Logging
>
> I actually like paper logging in the field. It's kind of a Zen thing,
> checking dupe sheets manually (Griffin is old enough to help with this,
> too). But are there any good FD apps for the iPhone? I need the iPhone
> anyway so it doesn't count towards the station weight total. If there's an
> app that's easy to use for this, I'd love to try it. Heck, I'd even pay for
> it.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

[Chris Tate - N6WM]

for your Iphone/pad field day logger, take a look at an app called hamlog in 
the app store.  it may fit the bill.  I beleive they even have an interface 
available for the K/(x)3 that can be obtained.


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On 
Behalf Of Wayne Burdick [n...@elecraft.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:39 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector; k...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

Hi all,

This year I'm going to break with tradition and *not* drag tons of gear to my 
field-day site. I'm going minimal….4 pounds max of radio gear. This will allow 
me to put more emphasis on food, drink, and enjoying time with my son (now 
almost 9). If anyone else is up for "FD4#", let me know. I'd like to compare 
notes on equipment, especially antennas, battery packs, and logging.

4 pounds (or so) is not an arbitrary number. This allows for:

- a KX3 with internal ATU and attached paddle
- mic and headphones
- external Li battery, plus 8 internal AA batteries in the rig as a backup
- two 50' (roughly) lengths of antenna wire, adapters, and a couple of 1-oz 
weights to get one wire into a tree
- paper log and dupe sheets (maybe…more on this below)
- soft carrying case for all of the above (in my case, a Think Tank "Strobe 
Stuff" bag)

I still expect to be reasonably competitive in the 1B-battery category even 
with this lightweight station. I hope to operate on 80-6 meters in CW, SSB, and 
digital modes (RTTY using the CW paddle and the KX3's text decode function).

There are two items I'm still working on:

1. External battery

I need something that will fit into the bottom of the Strobe Stuff bag. It 
should supply at least 11 V, and I'd prefer 4 to 5 AH, though I could get by 
with 3 AH and switch to the internal AAs later if necessary. Has any consensus 
formed about specific Li battery packs in this class? Ideal max size would be 
1x3x2.5" (HWD).

2. Logging

I actually like paper logging in the field. It's kind of a Zen thing, checking 
dupe sheets manually (Griffin is old enough to help with this, too). But are 
there any good FD apps for the iPhone? I need the iPhone anyway so it doesn't 
count towards the station weight total. If there's an app that's easy to use 
for this, I'd love to try it. Heck, I'd even pay for it.

Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

[Matthew Zilmer]

For your #2 work in progress:

I've asked Grace Frisk (The NicdLady) to put together an NiMH 14.4V pack.  I 
should have it next week.  My idea was similar to Wayne's, but I wanted to 
operate the external pack at a higher voltage than is typical for standard 
cellpacks.  Field Day is my target date as well.

Specs -
2700 mAH, 14.4V, 39WH.
Size: 2.5"W x 1"D x 2" H
Weight: About 450g, including the 18" cable (about 1 lb total weight).

In case there is any interest, I'll plug Grace's business:  
http://nicdlady.com/.

73,
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
Semper Gumby



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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:40 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector; k...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

Hi all,

This year I'm going to break with tradition and *not* drag tons of gear to my 
field-day site. I'm going minimal4 pounds max of radio gear. This will 
allow me to put more emphasis on food, drink, and enjoying time with my son 
(now almost 9). If anyone else is up for "FD4#", let me know. I'd like to 
compare notes on equipment, especially antennas, battery packs, and logging.

4 pounds (or so) is not an arbitrary number. This allows for:

- a KX3 with internal ATU and attached paddle
- mic and headphones
- external Li battery, plus 8 internal AA batteries in the rig as a backup
- two 50' (roughly) lengths of antenna wire, adapters, and a couple of 1-oz 
weights to get one wire into a tree
- paper log and dupe sheets (maybe...more on this below)
- soft carrying case for all of the above (in my case, a Think Tank "Strobe 
Stuff" bag)

I still expect to be reasonably competitive in the 1B-battery category even 
with this lightweight station. I hope to operate on 80-6 meters in CW, SSB, and 
digital modes (RTTY using the CW paddle and the KX3's text decode function).

There are two items I'm still working on:

1. External battery

I need something that will fit into the bottom of the Strobe Stuff bag. It 
should supply at least 11 V, and I'd prefer 4 to 5 AH, though I could get by 
with 3 AH and switch to the internal AAs later if necessary. Has any consensus 
formed about specific Li battery packs in this class? Ideal max size would be 
1x3x2.5" (HWD).

2. Logging

I actually like paper logging in the field. It's kind of a Zen thing, checking 
dupe sheets manually (Griffin is old enough to help with this, too). But are 
there any good FD apps for the iPhone? I need the iPhone anyway so it doesn't 
count towards the station weight total. If there's an app that's easy to use 
for this, I'd love to try it. Heck, I'd even pay for it.

Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

[Philip Townsend Lontz]

Yep 4 pound or less? Maybe get a multiplier for less weight...
The F.D. Less is more event.
Less crap
More Fun

Non judgement day is near




On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> This year I'm going to break with tradition and *not* drag tons of gear to my 
> field-day site. I'm going minimal….4 pounds max of radio gear. This will 
> allow me to put more emphasis on food, drink, and enjoying time with my son 
> (now almost 9). If anyone else is up for "FD4#", let me know. I'd like to 
> compare notes on equipment, especially antennas, battery packs, and logging.
> 
> 4 pounds (or so) is not an arbitrary number. This allows for:
> 
> - a KX3 with internal ATU and attached paddle
> - mic and headphones
> - external Li battery, plus 8 internal AA batteries in the rig as a backup
> - two 50' (roughly) lengths of antenna wire, adapters, and a couple of 1-oz 
> weights to get one wire into a tree
> - paper log and dupe sheets (maybe…more on this below)
> - soft carrying case for all of the above (in my case, a Think Tank "Strobe 
> Stuff" bag)
> 
> I still expect to be reasonably competitive in the 1B-battery category even 
> with this lightweight station. I hope to operate on 80-6 meters in CW, SSB, 
> and digital modes (RTTY using the CW paddle and the KX3's text decode 
> function).
> 
> There are two items I'm still working on:
> 
> 1. External battery
> 
> I need something that will fit into the bottom of the Strobe Stuff bag. It 
> should supply at least 11 V, and I'd prefer 4 to 5 AH, though I could get by 
> with 3 AH and switch to the internal AAs later if necessary. Has any 
> consensus formed about specific Li battery packs in this class? Ideal max 
> size would be 1x3x2.5" (HWD).
> 
> 2. Logging
> 
> I actually like paper logging in the field. It's kind of a Zen thing, 
> checking dupe sheets manually (Griffin is old enough to help with this, too). 
> But are there any good FD apps for the iPhone? I need the iPhone anyway so it 
> doesn't count towards the station weight total. If there's an app that's easy 
> to use for this, I'd love to try it. Heck, I'd even pay for it.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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[Elecraft] 4-pound Field Day, anyone?

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

This year I'm going to break with tradition and *not* drag tons of gear to my 
field-day site. I'm going minimal….4 pounds max of radio gear. This will allow 
me to put more emphasis on food, drink, and enjoying time with my son (now 
almost 9). If anyone else is up for "FD4#", let me know. I'd like to compare 
notes on equipment, especially antennas, battery packs, and logging.

4 pounds (or so) is not an arbitrary number. This allows for:

- a KX3 with internal ATU and attached paddle
- mic and headphones
- external Li battery, plus 8 internal AA batteries in the rig as a backup
- two 50' (roughly) lengths of antenna wire, adapters, and a couple of 1-oz 
weights to get one wire into a tree
- paper log and dupe sheets (maybe…more on this below)
- soft carrying case for all of the above (in my case, a Think Tank "Strobe 
Stuff" bag)

I still expect to be reasonably competitive in the 1B-battery category even 
with this lightweight station. I hope to operate on 80-6 meters in CW, SSB, and 
digital modes (RTTY using the CW paddle and the KX3's text decode function).

There are two items I'm still working on:

1. External battery

I need something that will fit into the bottom of the Strobe Stuff bag. It 
should supply at least 11 V, and I'd prefer 4 to 5 AH, though I could get by 
with 3 AH and switch to the internal AAs later if necessary. Has any consensus 
formed about specific Li battery packs in this class? Ideal max size would be 
1x3x2.5" (HWD).

2. Logging

I actually like paper logging in the field. It's kind of a Zen thing, checking 
dupe sheets manually (Griffin is old enough to help with this, too). But are 
there any good FD apps for the iPhone? I need the iPhone anyway so it doesn't 
count towards the station weight total. If there's an app that's easy to use 
for this, I'd love to try it. Heck, I'd even pay for it.

Wayne
N6KR


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[Elecraft] Fw: Re: KXPA100 AMP and KXAT100 ATU pics and info

[riese-k3djc]

Oak Hills Research sells a similar BNC bulkhead connector that fits in a
UHF hole.

http://www.ohr.com/parts.htm

BNC can handle roughly the same power as UHF. The max voltage on an
Amphenol UHF connector is 600V. The max for BNC is 500V. A Type N
connector can handle 1500V, so you can see how poor the UHF is for its
size.

wunder
K6WRU
`


The UHF connecor will handle more power than a type N,,, has negligable
loss through 450 Mhz
EZ to install and anyone that installs any connector outside and doesnt
tape and seal is asking for issues
used UHFs in a 432 array which was up for 10 years the connectors were as
bright N shiny
as when I out em up,,, when I took then down

Bob K3DJC
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[Elecraft] KX3 AND P3 ADAPTER

[KM4VX]

Good to see the KX3 accessory amp and tuner will soon be available. I am more
interested in the adapter planned for using the KX3 with a P3,  since I find
the panadapter scope very useful in checking band conditions and basically
just lots of fun. Any information on when this adapter for the KX3 might be
available? Thanks 



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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 AMP and KXAT100 ATU pics and info

[Bob Nielsen]

OHR and Morse Express are the same company (Milestone Technologies).

Bob, N7XY

On Apr 25, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Walter Underwood  wrote:

> Oak Hills Research sells a similar BNC bulkhead connector that fits in a UHF 
> hole.
> 
> http://www.ohr.com/parts.htm
> 
> BNC can handle roughly the same power as UHF. The max voltage on an Amphenol 
> UHF connector is 600V. The max for BNC is 500V. A Type N connector can handle 
> 1500V, so you can see how poor the UHF is for its size.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> 
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote:
> 
>> Morse Express sells SO-239 to BNC Conversion Kits.  They are just metal 
>> plates the same size as the SO-239 jacks.  They have the same 4 holes and 
>> are punched for an included BNC panel jack.
>> I have used them to convert my non Elecraft QRP kits and OHR watt meter.  
>> But, I had thought that BNC was only for QRP power levels.  Elecraft uses 
>> SO-239 for their 100 watt kits that I have bought.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Rick Dettinger  K7MW
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>> 
>>> They are my favorite for anything under 1000 watts on HF too. Of course
>>> there are screw-on adapters for the SO-239 "UHF" connectors. 
>>> 
>>> 73 Ron AC7AC
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 AMP and KXAT100 ATU pics and info

[Dave Lankshear]

Thanks everyone, for the links, very much appreciated.  I've never looked at
Twitter before (and probably won't again), but very interesting.

 

Maybe at some future date, for those using the K3 on the bench, an adapter
might come along so the KX3 could be attached to the amp/atu?

 

73 Dave G3TJP

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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 AMP and KXAT100 ATU pics and info

[John Fritze]

All I can say is: SHHWWEEETTT!

That is really nice looking, sign me up!!

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[Elecraft] KXPA100 duty cycle

[Gary Gregory]

I wonder why there is no cooling fan. I see a reasonable sized heatsink and
of course power consumption is lower without the fan.

Perhaps there is an opportunity to power an external fan from the APP
output connector on the rear?

Was this one application the designer had in mind?

I also noticed that a target price of just under $700 plus the ATU was on
the twitter site.

Guess there are more questions than answers at this early stage.

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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 AMP and KXAT100 ATU pics and info

[Bruce Beford]

They were posted on the Elecraft twitter site:
https://twitter.com/elecraft

> I'm feeling particularly IQ-zero at the moment, because I've searched and
> searched but can't find these doggone pictures of the KXPA100 amp that so
> many posts have referred to.  Will some kind soul please put me out of my
> misery with a URL or two.  Thanks.

 



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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 AMP and KXAT100 ATU pics and info

[Dave Lankshear]

I'm feeling particularly IQ-zero at the moment, because I've searched and
searched but can't find these doggone pictures of the KXPA100 amp that so
many posts have referred to.  Will some kind soul please put me out of my
misery with a URL or two.  Thanks.

 

Doh!  

 

73 Dave G3TJP

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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 AMP and KXAT100 ATU pics and info

[Chuck Shefflette - AA3CS]

I used the OHR connector kits in both my K3s, turning a no-solder kit into a 
very little solder kit. I keep adapters around for those times I don't or can't 
change the UHF connectors to BNC or N, but I swap the UHF anytime I can. BNC 
and N connectors have two additional attributes (beyond being real 50 ohm 
connectors) that are beneficial: they are relatively weatherproof if properly 
assembled, and the ground makes contact before the center conductor.

Just my $0.02

73,
Chuck, AA3CS

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 26, 2013, at 0:44, Walter Underwood  wrote:

> Oak Hills Research sells a similar BNC bulkhead connector that fits in a UHF 
> hole.
> 
> http://www.ohr.com/parts.htm
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New kx3 PA/ATU

[Fred Smith]

Wayne

Thanks for that IMHO that would have been to high for me just to own one
like the rest of my gear I have already. I do like the looks of it and the
carry handle as well pleasing to the eye for sure. I was hoping to see a
price less than Ten Tec's and again IMHO to high we will wait and see.

I try and buy all the available pieces for my K2's/K3's/KX3 when they are
added as when I first on I ordered it loaded from the factory. So far have
only been disappointed twice on all of those Elecraft purchases.

Thanks for doing what you all do there "BEST" improve and build new things!


73,
Fred/N0AZZ
K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100
P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2

 

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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:20 PM
To: george fritkin
Cc: El
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New kx3 PA/ATU

You're way too high.

And by the way: the K3/100 and KX3+amp/ATU are entirely different animals
suited to different purposes. I've already pontificated on this topic in the
past, so this time I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:05 PM, george fritkin  wrote:

> I have rethought the pricing of the amp and tuner.  I now believe the
combo price will be $1299.00. I feel that way because, if the combo is
priced at, say, $999.00 it could have a canibalization effect on the k3/100
ATU.  Yes you lack the expandability of the k3, but for those who might not
need k3 modularity the kx3 with the combo may be a better choice.  
> 
> Of course, if you decide after buying the kx3 and combo, you need the
expansion abilities of the k3 then Elecraft gets to sell a second radio
> 
> George, W6GF
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