Re: [Elecraft] Updating an older K3

2013-11-17 Thread Bill W2BLC
Why off list? This is of interest to all K3 owners and the 
experiences/expenses of others is very relevant.


Thanks,

Bill W2BLC K-Line


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Re: [Elecraft] Updating an older K3

2013-11-17 Thread pkhjr
Ditto's, I would be very interested as I'm in the same boat.

73 Tex
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[Elecraft] Updating an older K3

2013-11-17 Thread Johnny Siu
Well, most of the update can be done by the user and I did them myself.  
Elecraft gives a webpage of the modifications:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_app_notes.htm

They also provide the necessary parts with clear instruction and at reasonable 
prices:
http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3 Parts


To me, the construction process was interesting and educational.  The soldering 
work is not difficult and managable by most of us.

73

Johnny VR2XMC
 
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Ditto's, I would be very interested as I'm in the same boat.

73 Tex
ka5y
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Re: [Elecraft] K3-SteppIR via Network?

2013-11-17 Thread Mitch Wolfson DJØQN
I use serial device servers in remote stations. The ones I use from 
Lantronix allow you to also connect via telnet. I have never tried using 
them that way, but I would assume that this would solve your problem.


73,
Mitch DJ0QN

On 17.11.2013 02:27, Martin wrote:

Elecrafters,
has anyone done this or has some advice:

I plan to forward the frequency information from my K3 -wich is hooked 
to a Windows machine - via Network to the remote SteppIR controler. 
The controller connects to a RaspberryPI.
So far, i can redirect the K3's serial output via TCP to a Linux 
machine and watch the information using a telnet client. What i'm 
looking for is a way to pass this output to a raspberryPI and hook the 
controller to the PI's serial output.


I tried ser2net on the raspberry, but no success.
Anyone?


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Re: [Elecraft] Updating an older K3

2013-11-17 Thread AC6JA
I would be interested in the same information.
My K3 serial number is 3215.
 
Mike  AC6JA
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2013 7:39:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
g...@ka1j.com writes:

I  assembled this K3 in Nov 08 and it has most of the accessories of 
the day;  sub RX, KAT3, KP3A, KXV3, KTCXO3-1  TCXO  KBPF3 Gen 
coverage  module.  

I'm thinking it might do well with an update with the  factory mods to 
bring it current. Has anyone had this done at the factory  recently 
and if so, did you notice any obvious operational difference from  
before to after the upgrade?

If yes, in your opinion was it  significant enough to be worth the 
money spent after all was said   done? And, how much did it cost in 
the end?

Off list replies  please.

Thanks  73,

Gary
KA1J

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[Elecraft] KX3 VFO knob noise, mod to fix

2013-11-17 Thread gm7eey
Hello all, picked up a new KX3 yesterday from my local emporium, slightly
annoyed by the awful noise the VFO knob makes rubbing on the felt washer to
provide the spin resistance, so I came up with a mod to improve this
dramatically.

Find a section of the clear plastic sheet that is used as mobile phone
screen protector material, draw round the felt washer on the plastic so you
are basically making a new washer the same size. Cut out the washer from the
plastic.

Place the felt washer back on the VFO shaft as the build instructions show,
place the new plastic washer on top of the felt washer, then re-fit the VFO
knob. Adjust to your choice of resistance.

I now have a VFO knob that feels very similar to my other radios and most
important, no rubbing noise, its almost silent. 

73s

Pete




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Re: [Elecraft] Updating an older K3

2013-11-17 Thread Mike K2MK
Hi Gary,

Some of the hardware mods correct problems or prevent problems and they
aren't noticeable after installation. But they provide peace of mind and
increase resale value.

One mod that I found useful was the one that corrected noise while tuning
the VFO. It improved operation on 6 and 10 meters on my K3. 

An upgrade (not really a mod) was the exchange of the DSP board. This made
my K3 sound quieter to me. I think you have to hunt around the Elecraft
website to find this one.

I did the mods myself so I can't comment on the factory cost.

73,
Mike K2MK


Gary Smith-2 wrote
 I assembled this K3 in Nov 08 and it has most of the accessories of 
 the day; sub RX, KAT3, KP3A, KXV3, KTCXO3-1  TCXO  KBPF3 Gen 
 coverage module.  
 
 I'm thinking it might do well with an update with the factory mods to 
 bring it current. Has anyone had this done at the factory recently 
 and if so, did you notice any obvious operational difference from 
 before to after the upgrade?
 
 If yes, in your opinion was it significant enough to be worth the 
 money spent after all was said  done? And, how much did it cost in 
 the end?
 
 Off list replies please.
 
 Thanks  73,
 
 Gary
 KA1J





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[Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Wednesday night!

2013-11-17 Thread NAQCC
NAQCC Sprint Wednesday night!

Our November Sprint is this coming Wednesday evening local time (November 20, 
EST - 8:30-10:30PM, CST - 7:30-9:30PM, MST - 6:30-8:30PM, PST - 5:30-7:30PM), 
which translates as Thursday November 21, 2013 0130-0330Z in all cases.

I will refer you to the proper URL:

http://naqcc.info/sprint201311.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important 
information.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, 
straight key and bug fans.  All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); 
but you must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints 
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the 
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran 
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help 
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE!  Sign up on the 
NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate, 
with your membership number on it, which is good for life.

Come join us and have a real good time!

72/73 de Dave VA3RJ
NAQCC #0004

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[Elecraft] Split function on K3 # 2802

2013-11-17 Thread Glenn Haffly
My K3 has a problem using the split function. When holding the split button
the split function shows the B VFO is controlling transmit. When turning
the B VFO knob all I get is time and voltages and no split frequency. Any
suggestions on
 how to correct?
Thanks Glenn
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Re: [Elecraft] Split function on K3 # 2802

2013-11-17 Thread Ken K3IU

Tap the Display Button.
73, Ken K3IU

On 11/17/2013 11:33 AM, Glenn Haffly wrote:

My K3 has a problem using the split function. When holding the split button
the split function shows the B VFO is controlling transmit. When turning
the B VFO knob all I get is time and voltages and no split frequency. Any
suggestions on
  how to correct?
Thanks Glenn
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Re: [Elecraft] Split function on K3 # 2802

2013-11-17 Thread Dick Dievendorff
You may have a menu open.  Tap MENU. VFO B should show a frequency unless
you have a menu open.

Dick, K6KR




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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Haffly
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:33 AM
To: elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] Split function on K3 # 2802

My K3 has a problem using the split function. When holding the split button
the split function shows the B VFO is controlling transmit. When turning the
B VFO knob all I get is time and voltages and no split frequency. Any
suggestions on  how to correct?
Thanks Glenn
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Re: [Elecraft] Split function on K3 # 2802

2013-11-17 Thread Dick Dievendorff
I'm sorry, it's probably the DISP button rather than MENU.  MENU also
changes VFO B, but not to the things you're seeing.  Those are DISP
functions.

Dick, K6KR



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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:41 AM
To: 'Glenn Haffly'; 'elecraft'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split function on K3 # 2802

You may have a menu open.  Tap MENU. VFO B should show a frequency unless
you have a menu open.

Dick, K6KR




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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Haffly
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:33 AM
To: elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] Split function on K3 # 2802

My K3 has a problem using the split function. When holding the split button
the split function shows the B VFO is controlling transmit. When turning the
B VFO knob all I get is time and voltages and no split frequency. Any
suggestions on  how to correct?
Thanks Glenn
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[Elecraft] Internal K3 SWR vs Extermal SWR Meter

2013-11-17 Thread pastormg2
Good Morning, this is Mark Griffin and my call is KB3Z. I am having some real 
issues when it comes to getting a reliable SWR reading between my K3 and an 
external Wavenode Meter. I hooked up my hexbeam directly to the input Antenna 1 
Connector of my K3 and got the following SWR readings in the SSB portion of the 
band.

20 Meters:1.1
17 Meters: 1.1
15 Meters: 1.8
12 Meters 2.7
10 Meters:1.4 

Yes, I know that 12 meters is high for some reason! But I than hooked up my 
antenna to the Wavenode coupler and then to the my Antenna 1 connector and 
notice the differences between the K3 and the Wavenode.

  K3  Wavenode
20 Meters 1.11.6
17 Meters 1.11.4
15 Meters 1.82.3
12 Meters 2.71.9
10 Meters 1.41.7

Is anyone else out there experiencing the same issues between their K3 SWR and 
an external meter? Perhaps the wavenode coupler isn't good but I am so confused 
that I don't know what to do. Any assistance would be much appreciated.  Mark 
Griffin, KB3Z

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[Elecraft] K2 Low Power on 12 and 10 Meters

2013-11-17 Thread Larry Dodson
In the past I have looked up various problem fixes in the Old Elecraft
Digests, but can no longer find them?

I would appreciate suggestion as to how I fix my K2 low power problem on 12
and 10 Meters. I think that there is a pot to adjust?

Running the K2 without PA (ATU and Power Meter shows 1:1.1) into a dummy
load. I find that all HF bands get a full 10-12 watts output, except 12 and
10 Meters, where I get 7 watts on 12M and less on 10M.  This reduced output
is reflected on the watt meter when I hook up my external KPA100/KAT100 and
use more power.

Help will be appreciated in solving the output problem and also where to
find the Old Elecraft Digests.

73 - Larry- G0IKE (K2 -2424)
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Re: [Elecraft] Internal K3 SWR vs Extermal SWR Meter

2013-11-17 Thread Joel Black

Mark,

You will get lots of responses to this. 99.9% of the folks on the 
Elecraft are more experienced and smarter than me.


I have a similar situation with a WM-2 wattmeter and my KX3. Here's how 
I stopped worrying about it:


1. I realized that I have to bypass the ATU in the KX3 to get a good 
reading on the WM-2.
2. Even after doing #1, I still have a 2W discrepancy between the KX3 
and the WM-2 (i.e. 5 W on the KX3 reads as 7 W on the WM-2). It varies 
at different bands and output power.
3. In my experience, wattmeters vary greatly and there is a deviation 
percentage that I think must be taken into account. I don't know what 
that amount is either. :)
4. When I use one, I am looking at an external wattmeter with a needle 
to get an instantaneous reading on reflected power. The needle is large 
and visible and I keep the meter in REV when I use it. This leads to an 
experience I had several years ago in a class on SCADA radios. The 
discussion of the Bird 43 wattmeter came up:


I was once told that a Bird 43 wattmeter has about a 10 - 20% error rate 
(I forget the exact number). I told the guy I didn't care as long as it 
was the same inaccuracy when looking in both directions. I was looking 
for a *ratio*, not necessarily an output power. He looked at me like I 
was purple and had three eyes.


I try to simplify things. The purists and the engineers out there will 
in all likelihood disagree with what I've said. I am sure there are 
instances where what I say will not or cannot work. In my casual 
operation as an amateur for 20 years, this has worked for me. In my 
professional career as a telecomm tech doing PMs and trouble-shooting on 
37, 450, and 900 MHz radios for almost as long, this has worked.


As with anything else I may say, this is just my experience. Your 
mileage may vary greatly...


73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 11/17/13, 11:01 AM, pastor...@verizon.net wrote:

Good Morning, this is Mark Griffin and my call is KB3Z. I am having some real 
issues when it comes to getting a reliable SWR reading between my K3 and an 
external Wavenode Meter. I hooked up my hexbeam directly to the input Antenna 1 
Connector of my K3 and got the following SWR readings in the SSB portion of the 
band.

20 Meters:1.1
17 Meters: 1.1
15 Meters: 1.8
12 Meters 2.7
10 Meters:1.4

Yes, I know that 12 meters is high for some reason! But I than hooked up my 
antenna to the Wavenode coupler and then to the my Antenna 1 connector and 
notice the differences between the K3 and the Wavenode.

   K3  Wavenode
20 Meters 1.11.6
17 Meters 1.11.4
15 Meters 1.82.3
12 Meters 2.71.9
10 Meters 1.41.7

Is anyone else out there experiencing the same issues between their K3 SWR and 
an external meter? Perhaps the wavenode coupler isn't good but I am so confused 
that I don't know what to do. Any assistance would be much appreciated.  Mark 
Griffin, KB3Z

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Re: [Elecraft] Internal K3 SWR vs Extermal SWR Meter

2013-11-17 Thread John Oppenheimer
A better way is to connect a load with a known SWR.

Using a BNC-BP BNC Male to Stackable Binding Posts with three 100 Ohm
1W resistors in parallel, 33.3 Ohms, SWR should ~= 1.5.

Directly connected to the K3, ATU in bypass, 5W output, measured SWR = 1.1.

18 piece of coax with W1 Power meter, same 33.3 ohm load, K3 SWR=1.1,
W1 SWR=1.4 (Using W1 utility)

My K3 is indicating a Low SWR at 5W output.

John KN5L
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[Elecraft] CONFIG:REFCAL

2013-11-17 Thread George Rebong
I am going to Calibrate my K3.
I don't have the CONFIG:REFCAL in my Config menus.
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Re: [Elecraft] CONFIG:REFCAL

2013-11-17 Thread Jim Bennett
George - you need to have TECH Mode turned on in the CONFIG menu list first.

Jim / W6JHB


On   Sunday, Nov 17, 2013, at  Sunday, 9:57 AM, George Rebong wrote:

 I am going to Calibrate my K3.
 I don't have the CONFIG:REFCAL in my Config menus.
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[Elecraft] KX3 VFO knob noise, mod to fix

2013-11-17 Thread Arno Dienhart
Congratulations on your excellent hearing, Pete. Yes, it can be a curse.

 

Also, I envy your obviously silent environment. I wish I could have that. 

 

Good for you that you found a solution to your problem, and it sounds like a
very good one too.

 

73 de Arno, K7RNO

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[Elecraft] Getting FLDIGI to Work. K3 XML file?

2013-11-17 Thread -.-. --.-N3TU -.-. --.-
I am using FLDIGI 3.21.77 and when I click on the configuration under FLDIGI,
I can't seem to find the XML file for the K3. I need to copy the K3 XML file
to the FLDIGI configuation.  When I do a search for Elecraft in my pc, the
only thing that comes up is the K3 utility which is linked to the radio. I
don't see any other files to click on. I am able to receive, transmit
digital, and update my radio but I can't control the radio. Any help would
be greatly appreciated. 



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Low Power on 12 and 10 Meters

2013-11-17 Thread Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)
Larry, 

Take a look at
http://la3za.blogspot.no/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2_28.html#K2-tweak
- second item - which talks about various tricks to do with the T2 and T1
transformers. Lifting T2 helped me.





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Sverre, LA3ZA

K2 #2198, K3 #3391,
LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com,
LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: 
http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html
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Re: [Elecraft] Getting FLDIGI to Work. K3 XML file?

2013-11-17 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci



 - == - - -- -N3TU - - -- - connectme...@hotmail.com writes:


- I am using FLDIGI 3.21.77 and when I click on the configuration
- under FLDIGI, 
- I can't seem to find the XML file for the K3. I need to copy the
- K3 XML file 
- to the FLDIGI configuation.  When I do a search for Elecraft in
- my pc, the 
- only thing that comes up is the K3 utility which is linked to the
- radio. I 
- don't see any other files to click on. I am able to receive, transmit
- digital, and update my radio but I can't control the radio. Any
- help would 
- be greatly appreciated. 


They're all here:

http://www.w1hkj.com/xmlarchives.html

download the one you need and put it in the rigs directory 
(~/.fldigi/rigs/ on Linux)



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Low Power on 12 and 10 Meters

2013-11-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Larry,

Since you mentioned a pot to adjust, what is the chance that you 
increased the value of R98 (on the bottom of the RF board) above its 
normal value of 270 ohms.
That resistor is sometimes increased to provide more rapid settling time 
for the power control loop (particularly in TUNE), and the procedure to 
find the correct value is to temporarily substitute a pot.  If the 
resistor value is too high, the power on 10 (and often 12) meters will drop.


Remove the bottom cover to check R98.

There is no pot to adjust other than the temporary one mentioned above.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/17/2013 12:02 PM, Larry Dodson wrote:

In the past I have looked up various problem fixes in the Old Elecraft
Digests, but can no longer find them?

I would appreciate suggestion as to how I fix my K2 low power problem on 12
and 10 Meters. I think that there is a pot to adjust?

Running the K2 without PA (ATU and Power Meter shows 1:1.1) into a dummy
load. I find that all HF bands get a full 10-12 watts output, except 12 and
10 Meters, where I get 7 watts on 12M and less on 10M.  This reduced output
is reflected on the watt meter when I hook up my external KPA100/KAT100 and
use more power.

Help will be appreciated in solving the output problem and also where to
find the Old Elecraft Digests.




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[Elecraft] K2/10/100 twin for sale

2013-11-17 Thread Anthony Marriott
I have a fully loaded K2/10 and separately enclosed KPA100/KAT100.  Listed on 
QTH for 950 and 400 separately or 1250 the pair.

My KX3 with100w HF Packer has taken over

Paul
AF5BV

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Re: [Elecraft] Updating an older K3

2013-11-17 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A

Hi all,


My K3 is a #1255.

I've done all the  mods myself. I'll give you a roundup of that , with 
the results:



*Solving a problem:*

- K3 Synth ALC = That was a really necessary one, I had that problem and 
it needed to be fixed


- K3 external ALC Mod = Necessary since I started to use ALC when I 
bought rhe KPA500. Before that I used all Amps without ALC. Actually, 
now Ithat  use the KPA500, the ALC is set at such a level that it well 
never react :-)


- 12V ERR mod (13.8V supply to PA in K3 fails due to bad connectorpins) 
= Had this problem last year. Decided to make the Field-fix instead of 
changing the connectors. This means bridging the connectors with a wire. 
Easy! Good chance that you will run into the problem at some point.



*Improvements:*

- IF output Buffer Gain  = Good mod! I am using a softrock and NAP3 for 
a bandscope om my stations pc


- AF stage upgrade (line out and speaker amp)  = Yes, it helps

- K3DF DSP Low Pass Filter installation = It really makes a difference. 
*Do this one*. I noticed that I could sit at the K3 for much longer when 
I  participated in a contest.


*
**' Maybe'   Improvements*:

- Front panel Macrophone Circuit MOd = No difference, I had no problems 
before that but I did this one together with the LPF installation


- Improving Immunity of the rear panel RS232 and audio connectors = No 
difference because I did not have any problem before the mod.



*
**Precautions*:

- K3 AF amp output mod = just a precaution. Never had a problem since I 
use stereo computer speakers and not a mono speaker.


- K3 automatic Frond End Protection = Just a precaution. No difference 
noticed, I did not have a problem before the mod.



I hope this list helps you to decide what to do.


73
Arie PA3A




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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2013-11-17 Thread Kevin

Good Afternoon,
   I have been busy writing net reports and logging all of the data 
from each of them.  It is very soggy now, typical Oregon fall weather.  
It tried to snow but never quite got that cold.


Please join us today.

1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help  (as well as QSP/QNP relay help)

Sunday 2300z (Sunday 3 PM PST) 14050 kHz
Monday 0200z (Sunday 6 PM PST)  7045 kHz

   Stay warm,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS

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Elecraft CW Net Reports for October 6th to November 11th, 2013

October 6, 2013
  On 14050 kHz at 2200z:
K6MGO - Bill - CA - K3 - 5181
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
N6MY - Ray - AZ - KX3 - 4624
N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
W7BV - Robert - AZ
N0AR - Scott - MN - KX3 - 3941
KS7D - Mike - FL - K3 - 118

October 7, 2013
  On 7045 kHz at 0100z:
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183
N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994
K0DTJ - Brian - CA - K3 - 4113
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
N0AR - Scott - MN - KX3 - 3941
N6MY - Ray - AZ - KX3 - 4624

October 13, 2013
  On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:
N6MY - Ray - AZ - KX3 - 4624
N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994
AC5P - Mike - OK - K3 - 2170
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
AB3CV - Jim - MD - K2 - 5874
KN5L - John - TX - KX3 - 1658
W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
KS7D - Mike - FL - K3 - 118
K6MGO - Bill - CA - K3 - 5181

October 14, 2013
  On 7045.5 kHz at 0100z:
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
K0DTJ - Brian - CA - K3 - 4113
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139

October 20, 2013
  On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139
N6MY - Ray - AZ - KX3 - 4624
N0AR - Scott - MN - KX3 - 3941
KN5L - John - TX - KX3 - 1658
K6MGO - Bill - CA - K3 - 5181
WB3AAL - Ron - PA - K2 - 1392
K0DTJ - Brian - CA - K3 - 4113
N7KRT - Jeff - TX - K2 - 5471

October 21, 2013
  On 7045.5 kHz at 0100z:
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183
K0DTJ - Brian - CA - K3 - 4113
W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139
N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994
N0AR - Scott - MN - KX3 - 3941

October 27, 2013
  On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
KN5L - John - TX - KX3 - 1658
N6MY - Ray - AZ - KX3 - 4624
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994
WB3AAL - Ron - PA - K2 - 1392
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183
N7KRT - Jeff - TX - K2 - 5471
AC6JA - Mike - CA - K3 - 500

October 28, 2013
  On 7045 kHz at 0100z:
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994
K0DTJ - Brian - CA - K3 - 4113
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183
N7KRT - Jeff - TX - K2 - 5471

November 3, 2013
  On 14040.76 kHz at 2300z:
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820

November 10, 2013
  On 14049.5 kHz at 2300z:
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
N2YC - John - NY - K2 - 5949
N7KRT - Jeff - TX - K2 - 5471

November 11, 2013
  On 7045.5 kHz at 0200z:
K0DTJ - Brian - CA - K3 - 4113
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
WI6O - John - CA - K1 - 922

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[Elecraft] Internal K3 SWR vs Extermal SWR Meter

2013-11-17 Thread pastormg2
John, the problem is that I don't have one of these. But thanks for the 
suggestion. One thing I have not tried is hooking up my antenna and external 
wattmeter coupler with Antenna 2 instead of Antenna 1. I am anxious to find out 
if I get the same readings with #2 as I did with #1. I guess I am rather 
perplexed at the thought that there is such a variance between the K3 wattmeter 
vs an external wattmeter. Especially, when I connected the coupler to the 
antenna #1 with a plug and then attached the antenna coax to the coupler. It's 
a shame that the K3 does not have a way of synching up the internal wattmeter 
with an external wattmeter. Hopefully somebody from elecraft will read this 
email and make a comment on it. Thanks to all with their responses. Mark 
Griffin, KB3Z
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Re: [Elecraft] Internal K3 SWR vs Extermal SWR Meter

2013-11-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Mark,

There is good reason (assuming the internal tuner in the K3) for *not* 
syncing the wattmeters.
With the KAT3 in-line, the SWR is *not* reading the SWR on the feedline, 
but instead telling you the SWR at the *input* to the KAT3 - that is the 
load that the K3 PA sees, and that is what really matters for full power 
output.  Remember too that the KAT3 will have some residual reactance 
even in bypass mode.  That will also make a difference in the SWR seen 
by the K3 PA transistors and the SWR on the feedline - it is just one of 
those things.  A 1.4 SWR on the feedline may actually result in a 1.1 
SWR at the other end of that residual reactance.


The external wattmeter will indicate the SWR on the feedline - at the 
output of the KAT3.  There is nothing the KAT3 can do to change that.


In addition, many wattmeters are woefully inaccurate when reading SWR.  
Most All will be quite accurate for an SWR of 1.0, but at anything other 
than that, you will find a variation in the readings on amateur grade 
wattmeters.


If you have a good dummy load (non-reactive 50 ohms), you can calibrate 
the K3 wattmeter (for power, not SWR).  The procedure is in the 
Calibration section of the manual.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/17/2013 4:57 PM, pastor...@verizon.net wrote:

John, the problem is that I don't have one of these. But thanks for the 
suggestion. One thing I have not tried is hooking up my antenna and external 
wattmeter coupler with Antenna 2 instead of Antenna 1. I am anxious to find out 
if I get the same readings with #2 as I did with #1. I guess I am rather 
perplexed at the thought that there is such a variance between the K3 wattmeter 
vs an external wattmeter. Especially, when I connected the coupler to the 
antenna #1 with a plug and then attached the antenna coax to the coupler. It's 
a shame that the K3 does not have a way of synching up the internal wattmeter 
with an external wattmeter. Hopefully somebody from elecraft will read this 
email and make a comment on it. Thanks to all with their responses. Mark 
Griffin, KB3Z



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Re: [Elecraft] Internal K3 SWR vs Extermal SWR Meter

2013-11-17 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Mark, the numbers you quoted look pretty typical for SWR meters. They are
*not* precision instruments, nor do they need to be even in commercial
applications. 

Within the range of error you reported, there will be no difference in how
your K3 and antenna work. 

Power measurements are no better. Even a much-admired Bird wattmeter with
freshly calibrated slugs can be off by 20% or more, depending upon several
factors, and I've not seen a freshly calibrated slug since the last time I
worked in a laboratory. 

So it's just as likely the difference you see is the result of external
wattmeter calibration as it is the K3's wattmeter calibration. Any procedure
for synching them is just as likely to make one of them less accurate that
it is now. 

I presume that you are using a good 50 ohm dummy load to compare readings
with the KAT3 in bypass, and that you have run the wattmeter calibration
procedure in the K3 Owner's manual.

73, Ron AC7AC


 

-Original Message-

John, the problem is that I don't have one of these. But thanks for the
suggestion. One thing I have not tried is hooking up my antenna and external
wattmeter coupler with Antenna 2 instead of Antenna 1. I am anxious to find
out if I get the same readings with #2 as I did with #1. I guess I am rather
perplexed at the thought that there is such a variance between the K3
wattmeter vs an external wattmeter. Especially, when I connected the coupler
to the antenna #1 with a plug and then attached the antenna coax to the
coupler. It's a shame that the K3 does not have a way of synching up the
internal wattmeter with an external wattmeter. Hopefully somebody from
elecraft will read this email and make a comment on it. Thanks to all with
their responses. Mark Griffin, KB3Z
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Re: [Elecraft] Updating an older K3

2013-11-17 Thread Dave Lankshear
Did you make the VFO tuning noise reduction mod, Arie?  My tuning noise was
very bad until the mod was applied.  It certainly made a lot of difference.

 

73 Dave G3TJP

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Re: [Elecraft] Internal K3 SWR vs Extermal SWR Meter

2013-11-17 Thread Fred Jensen
Most ham-grade Wattmeters/SWR Bridges that I've encountered read E, 
assume R, and calculate P in an analog fashion.  When SWR is not 1:1, 
Z is not equal to 50 ohms, and in most cases, the higher the SWR, the 
higher the power indicated on the meter.  For these instruments, nothing 
you see on the indicator is true unless the SWR is 1:1 [i.e. the 
impedance is 50 ohms].  Even then, many are sensitive to common-mode 
current on the outside of the coax shield, and most of us have *some* 
common-mode conduction on our feedlines.


I once put three ham-grade wattmeters in series right next to each 
other on 20m, and they all read differently.  When I changed their order 
in the feedline, they all read differently ... and different from what 
they had before.  I concluded that, unless I was willing to spend the 
money to acquire test equipment that actually sensed and displayed watts 
and not E^2/R, I'd have to be satisfied with approximations.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 11/17/2013 2:25 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:


In addition, many wattmeters are woefully inaccurate when reading SWR.
Most All will be quite accurate for an SWR of 1.0, but at anything other
than that, you will find a variation in the readings on amateur grade
wattmeters.



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