[Elecraft] [K3} AGC White Paper
Al, your paper looks very helpful for the situation when the concepts need to be studied. After one has a reasonable understanding of the concepts, the stituation that comes up now and then is wanting to change some of the AGC parameters in the K3. I don't know about others, but I tend to forget the direction of parameters such as AGC "slope". Do I want to increase or decrease the number to achieve my intended result? That is not about understanding the concepts, but simply about an arbitrary definition that can be equally "right" whether it is one way or the other. There are many other examples of K3 parameters that have names that don't fully describe what they do. Of course, the parameter names must be (too) short because of the display limitations. However, when one has a P3, that opens up a whole different world in terms of graphic displays. It seems to me that something like an AGC curve could be displayed graphically (as in your paper) right when the parameter is being changed. That way one would not have to worry about a detailed definition; just turn the knob and see the effect. The graph would be made extra helpful by the fact that the actual noise level is visible at the same time. No doubt other K3 parameters could become more user-friendly if treated in a similar way. 73, Erik K7TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC White Paper
Thanks Al. A very useful paper. Now to use SLP=15 for digital, where I want the AtoD to not have to deal with a big range, while using something with more dynamic range for voice/CW. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/6/17 at 9:50 PM, alor...@sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) wrote: I spent a little bit of time this weekend and put together yet another K3 AGC (YAKA) "white paper" to put some measurements and discussion of the results down in the hope that others may benefit. Maybe it'll help folks understand AGC better by demystifying some of the K3 idiosyncrasies. I hope it makes you think about a few things in a way that maybe never occurred to you. I put the document in my Dropbox at the following link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/drfujqupr4pcet3/Getting%20the%20Most%20Out%20of%20K3%20AGC%20System.pdf?dl= 0 I'll leave the file there for several days in case any of y'all are interested. --- Bill Frantz| Security is like Government | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | services. The market doesn't | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | want to pay for them.| Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S won't low power (5 watts) calibration error
Be sure to call first to let them know you are coming. Otherwise they may not have the right people to help you. Don is now of our excellent support guys. I would be greatly surprised if he couldn’t help more quickly. One other tip - it is far easier (and better) to use the K3 Utility to perform the calibration. It handles everything in the right order and will perform the job quite well, handling things that would otherwise cause questions. Be sure to use the latest version for your platform of choice. - Jack, W6FB Elecraft Engineering > On Mar 5, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Wp4cw via Elecraft> wrote: > > Sorry for the bother Don, > > I'm 2 hours from Elecraft. I should be able to walk in my radio for repair. > Ted > > > > In a message dated 03/05/17 20:44:55 Pacific Standard Time, > ml-node+s365791n7627646...@n2.nabble.com writes: > Is that "TX Test" instead of "text test"? > > You should not put the K3S into TX TEST mode when doing the TX Gain > Calibration. TX TEST is a condition where everything in transmit works > *except* there is no RF output. TX TEST is set ON/OFF by holding the > right side of the MODE button. > > Use the TUNE button when doing the TX Gain Calibration manually. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/5/2017 11:18 PM, Wp4cw via Elecraft wrote: >> No didn't work. When I hold tune , vfo b displays text test. >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-won-t-low-power-5-watts-calibration-error-tp7627641p7627646.html > > To unsubscribe from K3S won't low power (5 watts) calibration error, click > here. > NAML > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-won-t-low-power-5-watts-calibration-error-tp7627641p7627647.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrin...@me.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] [K3] AGC White Paper
I spent a little bit of time this weekend and put together yet another K3 AGC (YAKA) "white paper" to put some measurements and discussion of the results down in the hope that others may benefit. Maybe it'll help folks understand AGC better by demystifying some of the K3 idiosyncrasies. I hope it makes you think about a few things in a way that maybe never occurred to you. I put the document in my Dropbox at the following link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/drfujqupr4pcet3/Getting%20the%20Most%20Out%20of%20K3%20AGC%20System.pdf?dl=0 I'll leave the file there for several days in case any of y'all are interested. 73, Al W6LX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3s Hearing low level rear speaker audio with SPKR+PH no and low AF set
I commented on this over a year ago and was tole that it was not possible. BUT IT STILL DOES IT! Thanks for your input. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 5, 2017, at 8:43 PM, M. Georgewrote: > > I just noticed that I have low audio output on my K3s rear speaker out when > CONFIG->SPKR+PH is set to no. I always chalked this up to being able to > hear audio from my headphones sitting on the left side of the desk here, > but I'm getting a low audio out of primarily the left speaker still when > spkr+ph is off. I'm going out of the speaker output on the K3s KIO3B into > some high end speakers, but I can duplicate the issue with a pair of > headphones too. So it's not the amplified speakers picking something stray > up. > > The CONFIG AF GAIN is LO and when I switch between LO and HI, the output > gets louder with the SPKR+PH off. The output is primarily on the left > channel too? Scratching my head. A bad relay on the KIO3B? When I switch > the SPKR+PH to ON, all is well for the left/right output on the output and > of course the volume / AF level goes way up like it should. > > By the way, I have SPKRS set to 2 as expected. Hmmm... am I missing > something obvious here? RTFM? :) > > Max NG7M > > -- > M. George > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S won't low power (5 watts) calibration error
Sorry for the bother Don, I'm 2 hours from Elecraft. I should be able to walk in my radio for repair. Ted In a message dated 03/05/17 20:44:55 Pacific Standard Time, ml-node+s365791n7627646...@n2.nabble.com writes: Is that "TX Test" instead of "text test"? You should not put the K3S into TX TEST mode when doing the TX Gain Calibration. TX TEST is a condition where everything in transmit works *except* there is no RF output. TX TEST is set ON/OFF by holding the right side of the MODE button. Use the TUNE button when doing the TX Gain Calibration manually. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2017 11:18 PM, Wp4cw via Elecraft wrote: > No didn't work. When I hold tune , vfo b displays text test. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-won-t-low-power-5-watts-calibration-error-tp7627641p7627646.html To unsubscribe from K3S won't low power (5 watts) calibration error, click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-won-t-low-power-5-watts-calibration-error-tp7627641p7627647.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S won't low power (5 watts) calibration error
Is that "TX Test" instead of "text test"? You should not put the K3S into TX TEST mode when doing the TX Gain Calibration. TX TEST is a condition where everything in transmit works *except* there is no RF output. TX TEST is set ON/OFF by holding the right side of the MODE button. Use the TUNE button when doing the TX Gain Calibration manually. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2017 11:18 PM, Wp4cw via Elecraft wrote: No didn't work. When I hold tune , vfo b displays text test. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S won't low power (5 watts) calibration error
Ted, A little more information please. What band(s) fail? Do you have a good 50 ohm dummy load attached? Is the dummy load a good one for up to 54MHz? Often the TX Gain Calibration will fail when operated from K3Utility, but will pass if done manually on each band. See the K3S manual page 52. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2017 10:03 PM, Wp4cw via Elecraft wrote: TX Gain Calibration requires that your k3 be in "TX NORM" for Calibration. 5 Watt Calibration failed. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] A question on the P3 or actually the Tx Mon
The P3 shows total forward power. The power delivered to the feedline is forward minus reflected. With a 13:1 SWR, 73.5% of the power is reflected and 26.5% is transmitted. If the transmitted power is 92 watts then the total forward power should be 347 watts. Alan N1AL On 03/05/2017 06:58 PM, Grady Harper via Elecraft wrote: I placed the DCHF-200 after my antenna tuner. In other words, the DCHF-200 is between my tuner and antenna. When relying on my tuner to match the antenna to the radio My power meter (on the P3) is showing an SWR of a little over 13:1 (which is about right) . My meter on my tuner is showing about 92 watts of power headed down the antenna,but the meter on the P3 is showing over 200 watts. My intended output being 100 watts. Does the DCHF-200 show out-going pwr + reflected pwr? The tuner matches the antenna to the radio, and the tuner meter shows a very very small amt. of reflected power. I put the DCHF-200 at this location, because if I had the tuner installed in the radio, this is where it would go. The antenna is a fan dipole trimmed for 40 meters and 20 meters. I am on 3.810 MHz and without the tuner the SWR is about 13.2:1 here. The tuner matches the antenna to the radio with a SWR of very close to 1.0:1. . AJ4YA Grady Thanks. Sent from my iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@sonic.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3S won't low power (5 watts) calibration error
TX Gain Calibration requires that your k3 be in "TX NORM" for Calibration. 5 Watt Calibration failed. Help. How do I fix this? Ted. wp...@aol.com 209.601.5354. Ted -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-won-t-low-power-5-watts-calibration-error-tp7627641.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] A question on the P3 or actually the Tx Mon
I placed the DCHF-200 after my antenna tuner. In other words, the DCHF-200 is between my tuner and antenna. When relying on my tuner to match the antenna to the radio My power meter (on the P3) is showing an SWR of a little over 13:1 (which is about right) . My meter on my tuner is showing about 92 watts of power headed down the antenna,but the meter on the P3 is showing over 200 watts. My intended output being 100 watts. Does the DCHF-200 show out-going pwr + reflected pwr? The tuner matches the antenna to the radio, and the tuner meter shows a very very small amt. of reflected power. I put the DCHF-200 at this location, because if I had the tuner installed in the radio, this is where it would go. The antenna is a fan dipole trimmed for 40 meters and 20 meters. I am on 3.810 MHz and without the tuner the SWR is about 13.2:1 here. The tuner matches the antenna to the radio with a SWR of very close to 1.0:1. . AJ4YA Grady Thanks. Sent from my iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3s Hearing low level rear speaker audio with SPKR+PH no and low AF set
I just noticed that I have low audio output on my K3s rear speaker out when CONFIG->SPKR+PH is set to no. I always chalked this up to being able to hear audio from my headphones sitting on the left side of the desk here, but I'm getting a low audio out of primarily the left speaker still when spkr+ph is off. I'm going out of the speaker output on the K3s KIO3B into some high end speakers, but I can duplicate the issue with a pair of headphones too. So it's not the amplified speakers picking something stray up. The CONFIG AF GAIN is LO and when I switch between LO and HI, the output gets louder with the SPKR+PH off. The output is primarily on the left channel too? Scratching my head. A bad relay on the KIO3B? When I switch the SPKR+PH to ON, all is well for the left/right output on the output and of course the volume / AF level goes way up like it should. By the way, I have SPKRS set to 2 as expected. Hmmm... am I missing something obvious here? RTFM? :) Max NG7M -- M. George __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] WTB: 2 band module for K1
Found a 2 band module for my K1. Thanks for the responses from the group! 73 - Dave, N4ELM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] P3 lost receive signal on monitor from K3s
No need at all. I've been there many times before, and it's just a matter of time before I go there again. - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, IDXC 2017 Committee > -Original Message- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don > Wilhelm > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 4:22 PM > To: Bill Johnson; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 lost receive signal on monitor from K3s > > Bill, > > No need to "feel stupid". > Things like that happen all the time. > In all cases of failure, check the connecting cables first. They are the most likely > suspect although the first impression is to suspect a failure of the equipment. > Believe me, you are not the first, and likely will not be the last (unless everyone > remembers this information - not likely). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/5/2017 7:04 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > > Don, thanks. The cable fell off when changing some other cables. Feeling > stupid. > > > > _ > _ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike.flow...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] P3 lost receive signal on monitor from K3s
Ron, That is only true with old BNC connectors (like ancient ones picked up at hamfests). Current pins on 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNC connectors are the same size. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2017 6:59 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: I understand that the center pins on 75-ohm BNCs are a different size from the 50 Ohm version. Mixing them up can damage the female connectors and cause intermittents. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] P3 lost receive signal on monitor from K3s
Bill, No need to "feel stupid". Things like that happen all the time. In all cases of failure, check the connecting cables first. They are the most likely suspect although the first impression is to suspect a failure of the equipment. Believe me, you are not the first, and likely will not be the last (unless everyone remembers this information - not likely). 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2017 7:04 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: Don, thanks. The cable fell off when changing some other cables. Feeling stupid. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] P3 lost receive signal on monitor from K3s
Don, thanks. The cable fell off when changing some other cables. Feeling stupid. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ, FT'er for K2 and all add-ons, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -Original Message- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donw...@embarqmail.com] Bill, Try a different BNC to BNC jumper between the K3 IF out and the P3. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2017 4:59 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > I looked in archives but found nothing. I can find low level noise but > nothing coming from K3s. I have checked all cables and all is working fine. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] P3 lost receive signal on monitor from K3s
I understand that the center pins on 75-ohm BNCs are a different size from the 50 Ohm version. Mixing them up can damage the female connectors and cause intermittents. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 lost receive signal on monitor from K3s Had this problem originally with my P3. Things to look at: All BNC connectors are not created equal. This is especially true if they were born in "you know where." Center pins aren't always the correct size or length. It is very hard to verify they're good. Try a different cable. Several years ago when the P3 was fairly new, Elecraft got a batch of cables from a vendor that were basically all bad. They replaced mine on the condition that I cut the bad one into little pieces so it didn't end up on some hamswap table. [:-) I'm sure they're all gone now, but try a different cable. The P3 is basically a receiver. Normally for a K3/K3S, it will be tuned to the K3 1st IF at 8.1xxx MHz, however it can be tuned to a wide range of frequencies to accommodate other transceivers. Put a piece of hookup wire into the center pin of the P3 BNC socket. You should be able to see noise and it should just about go away when you remove the wire. If this is true, your P3 is probably OK. Is your P3 tuned to the K3S's 1st IF? It's part of the set-up in the manual. Make sure the male BNC connectors are not oxidized. P3 seems to be fairly sensitive to problems in that connection. I have an early K3 and needed to order the one-resistor mod to boost the IF level. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/5/2017 1:59 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > I looked in archives but found nothing. I can find low level noise but nothing coming from K3s. I have checked all cables and all is working fine. > Suggestions from anyone who has had the experience and fixed it. > > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to r...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Line-In issues
Corky, It is doubtful that a firmware upgrade is to blame. If it were the firmware, we would have seen many reports of similar failure. What did you plug/unplug since it worked last? A firmware upgrade does not change settings in the K3. Do you have the Line-in and Line out cables reversed? The Signalink Line Out goes to the K3 Line In, and the K3 line out goes to the Signalink Line in. Connect the Signalink Line out to an audio amplifier and from your data mode application, do a "transmit" - do you hear audio tones? If not check your software and the Signalink. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2017 3:04 PM, CAS wrote: I have been using my K3 with a SignaLink USB for some time without issue. This last week I had everything working and then did a firmware upgrade to the latest version. I now get nothing in or out of the Line-In/Line-Out ports on the back of the radio. The microphone seems to work fine, but I am no longer able to work digital using the ports on the back __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] P3 lost receive signal on monitor from K3s
Had this problem originally with my P3. Things to look at: All BNC connectors are not created equal. This is especially true if they were born in "you know where." Center pins aren't always the correct size or length. It is very hard to verify they're good. Try a different cable. Several years ago when the P3 was fairly new, Elecraft got a batch of cables from a vendor that were basically all bad. They replaced mine on the condition that I cut the bad one into little pieces so it didn't end up on some hamswap table. [:-) I'm sure they're all gone now, but try a different cable. The P3 is basically a receiver. Normally for a K3/K3S, it will be tuned to the K3 1st IF at 8.1xxx MHz, however it can be tuned to a wide range of frequencies to accommodate other transceivers. Put a piece of hookup wire into the center pin of the P3 BNC socket. You should be able to see noise and it should just about go away when you remove the wire. If this is true, your P3 is probably OK. Is your P3 tuned to the K3S's 1st IF? It's part of the set-up in the manual. Make sure the male BNC connectors are not oxidized. P3 seems to be fairly sensitive to problems in that connection. I have an early K3 and needed to order the one-resistor mod to boost the IF level. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/5/2017 1:59 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: I looked in archives but found nothing. I can find low level noise but nothing coming from K3s. I have checked all cables and all is working fine. Suggestions from anyone who has had the experience and fixed it. 73, Bill K9YEQ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB issue with Dell OptiPlex 745 - Win 10
I thought the same thing. We had unchecked the ‘turn power off….” tab for each USB Hub in the power management tab in device manager without success. Fortunately the external hub fixed our problem. Marty - N1VH On Mar 5, 2017, at 5:37 PM, garyk9gswrote: prevent USB ports from going to sleep __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB issue with Dell OptiPlex 745 - Win 10
This is an easy one. The USB ports are going to sleep. This can be fixed in device manager. Google "prevent USB ports from going to sleep". 73-Gary K9GS Original message From: mtkos...@gmail.com Date: 3/5/17 2:33 PM (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB issue with Dell OptiPlex 745 - Win 10 Our club’s new K3S will not stay connected and often can not be found by our Dell Optiplex 745 w/Windows 10 (it’s an older computer – but seems to run all of our Ham programs and attached devices without issue). Reconnecting the USB cables sometimes fixes the issue. Oddly, if we install & remove a USB mouse to the same USB port and then reconnect the K3S, the computer finds the K3S without issue. Cycling the computer and radio does not address the problem. The K3S connects instantly on newer Dell laptops and and Apple computers. There seems to be a driver issue with the Dell Optiplex, but all drivers are current. We are stumped. Any suggestions? Thanks, Marty – N1VH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to garyk...@wi.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] P3 lost receive signal on monitor from K3s
Bill, Try a different BNC to BNC jumper between the K3 IF out and the P3. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2017 4:59 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: I looked in archives but found nothing. I can find low level noise but nothing coming from K3s. I have checked all cables and all is working fine. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] P3 lost receive signal on monitor from K3s
I looked in archives but found nothing. I can find low level noise but nothing coming from K3s. I have checked all cables and all is working fine. Suggestions from anyone who has had the experience and fixed it. 73, Bill K9YEQ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB issue with Dell OptiPlex 745 - Win 10
Thanks Don for your quick response and suggestions. FYI - I reloaded the K3S firmware. No change. On a whim, we connected the radio to the computer via a USB Hub (non powered). This seems to have addressed the problem. The USB port on the computer (older chipset) must not like the current FTDI adapter in the radio. This seems counter intuitive, but the HUB seems to facilitate the proper communications between radio and computer. We have cycled the radio and computer many times in various sequences. All seems to be good. 73, Marty - N1VH Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 4:03 PM To: mtkos...@gmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB issue with Dell OptiPlex 745 - Win 10 Marty, Are you running the K3S from a HUB hub? You will find more reliable connection using a USB port directly on the computer. You *could* have a marginal USB port on the computer. It may detect a mouse easily, but the FTDI USB to serial chip is another matter. Since it connects reliably with other computers, the problem most certainly is with the computer. Win10 normally detects the FTDI adapter in the K3S as well as the CODEC with no problem. Have you tried removing the driver from the troublesome USB port and re-installing it? 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2017 3:33 PM, mtkos...@gmail.com wrote: > Our club’s new K3S will not stay connected and often can not be found by our > Dell Optiplex 745 w/Windows 10 (it’s an older computer – but seems to run all > of our Ham programs and attached devices without issue). Reconnecting the > USB cables sometimes fixes the issue. Oddly, if we install & remove a USB > mouse to the same USB port and then reconnect the K3S, the computer finds the > K3S without issue.Cycling the computer and radio does not address the > problem. > > The K3S connects instantly on newer Dell laptops and and Apple computers. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB issue with Dell OptiPlex 745 - Win 10
Marty, Are you running the K3S from a HUB hub? You will find more reliable connection using a USB port directly on the computer. You *could* have a marginal USB port on the computer. It may detect a mouse easily, but the FTDI USB to serial chip is another matter. Since it connects reliably with other computers, the problem most certainly is with the computer. Win10 normally detects the FTDI adapter in the K3S as well as the CODEC with no problem. Have you tried removing the driver from the troublesome USB port and re-installing it? 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2017 3:33 PM, mtkos...@gmail.com wrote: Our club’s new K3S will not stay connected and often can not be found by our Dell Optiplex 745 w/Windows 10 (it’s an older computer – but seems to run all of our Ham programs and attached devices without issue). Reconnecting the USB cables sometimes fixes the issue. Oddly, if we install & remove a USB mouse to the same USB port and then reconnect the K3S, the computer finds the K3S without issue. Cycling the computer and radio does not address the problem. The K3S connects instantly on newer Dell laptops and and Apple computers. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Happiness is...
It takes a bit of time to label all the cables but it sure is nice when you need to trouble shot something. I work on IT systems and often just unplugging and re-plugging the connectors will correct an issue. From: Fred JensenTo: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Happiness is... Ummm ... could have been a serious misteak, Carter. All that mess behind the rig is the reason we call it "wireless." Confuses the non-initiated and they think we're smarter than we really are. [:-) Glad the health report is good. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/5/2017 6:36 AM, Carter Craigie wrote: > I unplugged every cable I had going to the whole system (and actually took > the time to make and apply labels on each and every cable) and dressed up > all of the cables nicely. Now the rat's nest of cables is all neatly coiled > and tied and sufficiently separated from the coaxial antenna cable. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3S USB issue with Dell OptiPlex 745 - Win 10
Our club’s new K3S will not stay connected and often can not be found by our Dell Optiplex 745 w/Windows 10 (it’s an older computer – but seems to run all of our Ham programs and attached devices without issue). Reconnecting the USB cables sometimes fixes the issue. Oddly, if we install & remove a USB mouse to the same USB port and then reconnect the K3S, the computer finds the K3S without issue.Cycling the computer and radio does not address the problem. The K3S connects instantly on newer Dell laptops and and Apple computers. There seems to be a driver issue with the Dell Optiplex, but all drivers are current. We are stumped. Any suggestions? Thanks, Marty – N1VH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Loving my new K3S
I just purchased a new K3S a few weeks ago. After owning lots of very nice rigs (pics on my QRZ page), I finally decided I wanted to experience for myself what it is like to own the Flagship Elecraft rig. I will use one simple word to describe my experience so far: WOW! In the short time I have owned the K3S, my experience has been so pleasurable. My first thought as I was waiting for the rig to arrive was, "How much of a learning curve was I going to have before I would feel comfortable with the new rig?" Thanks to great advise I found here on the reflector and all over the internet, learning how to operate the rig has been a painless affair. The basic setting up of the K3S is easy and given some operating time, most functions are within a knob or a menu's reach and quickly learned. I decided to start out with the basic factory-built rig. Now I have the roofing filters I wanted to install and a internal tuner on order. I like the idea of learning about operating the K3S and seeing what features I would like and then adding those features as I go along. It was good for me to wait until now to get a K3S after owning some fine rigs from other manufacturers and getting to operate them in my shack. This has given me some good points of reference to compare and contrast with the K3S. I am primarily a CW operator and the Elecraft K3S has earned it's place at my operating position as a fine performer. Though it is not perfect (what ham rig is perfect?) it is a pleasure to operate on both CW and SSB. Loving it, WB4YAL John *Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do without. -John Dolan * __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Line-In issues
Don't forget to check the driver settings in your software. Rick WA6NHC Tiny iPhone keypad & spiel Czech, errors happen > On Mar 5, 2017, at 12:04 PM, CASwrote: > > I have been using my K3 with a SignaLink USB for some time without issue. > This last week I had everything working and then did a firmware upgrade to > the latest version. I now get nothing in or out of the Line-In/Line-Out ports > on the back of the radio. The microphone seems to work fine, but I am no > longer able to work digital using the ports on the back > > I have tried adjusting the gain by setting MIC GAIN to Line In and this also > has no effect. > > I am sure it is a confused setting after the reflash of the firmware, but at > this point I am unable to locate the problem. Does anyone have any > suggestions? > > Thanks, > -Corky > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Happiness is...
Ummm ... could have been a serious misteak, Carter. All that mess behind the rig is the reason we call it "wireless." Confuses the non-initiated and they think we're smarter than we really are. [:-) Glad the health report is good. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/5/2017 6:36 AM, Carter Craigie wrote: I unplugged every cable I had going to the whole system (and actually took the time to make and apply labels on each and every cable) and dressed up all of the cables nicely. Now the rat's nest of cables is all neatly coiled and tied and sufficiently separated from the coaxial antenna cable. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 Line-In issues
I have been using my K3 with a SignaLink USB for some time without issue. This last week I had everything working and then did a firmware upgrade to the latest version. I now get nothing in or out of the Line-In/Line-Out ports on the back of the radio. The microphone seems to work fine, but I am no longer able to work digital using the ports on the back I have tried adjusting the gain by setting MIC GAIN to Line In and this also has no effect. I am sure it is a confused setting after the reflash of the firmware, but at this point I am unable to locate the problem. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, -Corky __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] For Sale: 4-band KX1 (80,40,30,20) ***UPDATE***
UPDATE: Price Reduction because it is March. Marked down from $300 to $275. I am selling my four band KX1 after much thought and consideration. This little radio has been a lot of QRP fun operating portable in various locations. Description: — KX1 kit built by me, originally 40/20. Serial #2386 — 80/30 option added by Don Wilhelm, W3FPR. — No internal antenna tuner. — Works excellent, no scars or damage of any sort. — Original documents included (KX1 plus 80/30 option) Although no internal antenna tuner, I have the Elecraft T1 that I have used with various QRP radios and I may be willing to sell that too at the right price. Price: $275 plus packing/shipping to CONUS Delivery only (or pickup Kirkland, WA) Please respond if interested directly to my e-mail: phys...@mac.com off the Elecraft Reflector. 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] 3 Month Report on K3S
I am 79 years old and have been licensed for 49 years. I have owned Kenwood TS 830S, Yaesu FT1000D, Drake C line, Collins KWM-2A and multiple Collins S line radios. After being off the air for 10 years and disposing of all my previous gear I decided to get back on the air. Since I am relatively handy with a screw driver I ordered the K3S kit from Elecraft. While I am no longer the sharpest tack in the box and am definitely not a computer guru, I struggled initially with the K3S but after some familiarization I have decided that the guys at Elecraft not only made the best radio I have owned but that also made a radio that is intuitive. To me that is saying a whole lot. Using the radio is similar to finding the way to the bathroom, once you do it a couple of times you no longer get lost. Familiarization. Good job Elecraft and thanks for a radio that I will recommend to anyone. Marv KG7V --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Happiness is...
Glad to hear that both you and your station are fully functioning, Carter! 73, Wayne N6KR On Mar 5, 2017, at 6:36 AM, "Carter Craigie"wrote: > Good Morning fellow Elecrafters, > Thanks to the many Elecraft KX3 users' suggestions I now have my KX3 station > back up and running with the PX3 AND the KXPA100 Amp. > What did I do? > I unplugged every cable I had going to the whole system (and actually took > the time to make and apply labels on each and every cable) and dressed up > all of the cables nicely. Now the rat's nest of cables is all neatly coiled > and tied and sufficiently separated from the coaxial antenna cable. > The main thing I worked on was to make sure that the RF-45 plug was seated > (with a good solid "click" sound into the back of the amp). > My thanks especially to my good friend Don Wilhelm, W3FPR, who has helped me > throughout my whole Elecraft life. Thank you, Sir! > > On a personal note, I had had some chest pains last Sunday while walking our > dog Ditzy, and, on Monday, my wife Kay drove me to the hospital ER. I stayed > in the hospital all that day, that night, and all through Tuesday. I had > lots of blood tests (every 3 hours) and had numerous important tests (such > as an Echo Cardiogram, a stress test, and a CAT Scan) throughout the day on > Tuesday. I was released after the hospital gurus were 80% sure that I hadn't > had a heart attack. On Friday my own personal physician gave me a thorough > examination and was able to interpret all of those hospital tests. He sent > me home with some new prescriptions and the advice to take it easy and to > stay in and near the house for a few days. > I was planning on doing a little operating using my great KX3 for some R, > but had run into the problems I have written about earlier. This morning all > is well again with the radio, antenna, and the whole system. Thanks again > everybody! > 73, > Carter Craigie, N3AO > Blacksburg, Va > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] External speaker for kx3?
> > > > On 04/03/2017 03:47, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: > > Message: 10 > > Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 16:25:48 + > > From: Eddy Avila> > To: Elecraft > > Subject: [Elecraft] External speaker for kx3? > > Message-ID: > > anyone have a suggestion for a decent-sounding external speaker for the > kx3? > Hi Ed. Wayne recommend this one some time ago; I bought one and really like it = beautiful sound quality, and stereo, so audio EFX and dual watch can be used. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00343DNJK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1 73 Chris NW6V __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Happiness is...
Good Morning fellow Elecrafters, Thanks to the many Elecraft KX3 users' suggestions I now have my KX3 station back up and running with the PX3 AND the KXPA100 Amp. What did I do? I unplugged every cable I had going to the whole system (and actually took the time to make and apply labels on each and every cable) and dressed up all of the cables nicely. Now the rat's nest of cables is all neatly coiled and tied and sufficiently separated from the coaxial antenna cable. The main thing I worked on was to make sure that the RF-45 plug was seated (with a good solid "click" sound into the back of the amp). My thanks especially to my good friend Don Wilhelm, W3FPR, who has helped me throughout my whole Elecraft life. Thank you, Sir! On a personal note, I had had some chest pains last Sunday while walking our dog Ditzy, and, on Monday, my wife Kay drove me to the hospital ER. I stayed in the hospital all that day, that night, and all through Tuesday. I had lots of blood tests (every 3 hours) and had numerous important tests (such as an Echo Cardiogram, a stress test, and a CAT Scan) throughout the day on Tuesday. I was released after the hospital gurus were 80% sure that I hadn't had a heart attack. On Friday my own personal physician gave me a thorough examination and was able to interpret all of those hospital tests. He sent me home with some new prescriptions and the advice to take it easy and to stay in and near the house for a few days. I was planning on doing a little operating using my great KX3 for some R, but had run into the problems I have written about earlier. This morning all is well again with the radio, antenna, and the whole system. Thanks again everybody! 73, Carter Craigie, N3AO Blacksburg, Va __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com