Re: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Audio Stereo (Issue)

[Kevin F.]

I found the issue, I had dual RX enabled and when you cross the band for the
2nd VFO it goes into stereo one receive in each ear. I've turned that off
and have full stereo in my earphones again with CW.



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 RX I/Q testing

[Kevin F.]

I will report back after trying some of the I/Q based softwares out there,
however I did try iSDR which is supposed to work with USB sound card, it
didn't work. I'll try the windows based program tomorrow and report back.



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 RX I/Q testing

[Kevin F.]

I tried with iSDR which is made for iOS, sound card is working, RX I/Q is not
from my radio.



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[Elecraft] KX3 CW Audio Stereo (Issue)

[Kevin F.]

Last night while operating CWT I ran across a part of the band that changed
the "Phones" audio, has anyone else ran across this issue happening at or
near 7.035323 to 7.035324 is the frequency that does it for me, all of a
sudden I have CW in just one ear instead of two.

Thanks for any help that you can provide.

Thanks,

Kevin F.



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Re: [Elecraft] Query for new DSP features

[John Evans]

And yet, I have no idea which Elecraft rig you are referring to here.  
Drives us K1, K2, KX3 owners crazy.


73 - john - n0hj

On 1/11/2019 9:49 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

It would be really great if the AF gain was automatically to keep the audio 
roughly level when NR is engaged. This drives me nuts, always riding the gain 
back and forth. I’m sure the gain adjustment would be different for different 
conditions, but at least get close.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)


On Jan 11, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Mike Lichtman via Elecraft 
 wrote:

Wayne,
I would like to see an improved Noise Reduction that doesn’t lower the 
volume or distort as much. Also the digital mode decode has never really worked 
well for me and, yes,
I read the manual about using it. Could you have the digital choices RTTY, 
PSK31, etc. instead of the current settings like FSK, data, etc?
Pie in the sky thought — Having the radio identify the type of digital signal 
being received with a word in the display and automatically change 
modes/settings to accommodate it.  73 Mike KF6KXG


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Re: [Elecraft] Query for new DSP features

[Walter Underwood]

It would be really great if the AF gain was automatically to keep the audio 
roughly level when NR is engaged. This drives me nuts, always riding the gain 
back and forth. I’m sure the gain adjustment would be different for different 
conditions, but at least get close.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 11, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Mike Lichtman via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
>I would like to see an improved Noise Reduction that doesn’t lower the 
> volume or distort as much. Also the digital mode decode has never really 
> worked well for me and, yes, 
> I read the manual about using it. Could you have the digital choices RTTY, 
> PSK31, etc. instead of the current settings like FSK, data, etc?
> Pie in the sky thought — Having the radio identify the type of digital signal 
> being received with a word in the display and automatically change 
> modes/settings to accommodate it.  73 Mike KF6KXG
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[Elecraft] Query for new DSP features

[Mike Lichtman via Elecraft]

Wayne,
I would like to see an improved Noise Reduction that doesn’t lower the 
volume or distort as much. Also the digital mode decode has never really worked 
well for me and, yes, 
I read the manual about using it. Could you have the digital choices RTTY, 
PSK31, etc. instead of the current settings like FSK, data, etc?
Pie in the sky thought — Having the radio identify the type of digital signal 
being received with a word in the display and automatically change 
modes/settings to accommodate it.  73 Mike KF6KXG
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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[K8TE]

Don,

While perhaps "obvious," the models you describe are not updates of previous
versions in the order as W3FPR pointed out in a subsequent message.  Those
radios are very different from each other in many aspects, especially
performance.  Although, each is considered by most to be a top performer in
its class.

I am amused by many who add one or more of the new K3S modules to their K3
and then call their radio a K3S.  They are not and never will be.  An
upgraded K3 can approach a K3S, but not quite get there.

I hate to start another K4 e-mail chain.  It may be too late now.  If I were
to bet, I would bet the next Elecraft top-of-the-line K? will likely use a
newer topology than the K3.  However, the K3S is number three on Rob
Sherwood's receiver performance list.

As Rob has pointed out the last several years, transmitter performance
(cleanliness) is where most radios need improvement today.  Regardless, when
operating Field Day or any multi-multi event, my K3 with 
 updated (correct term in this case) synthesizers is my radio of choice.  I
have seen how many new radios "collapse" under the strain of other nearby
transmitters.  

At the same time, there are other radios with comparable performance in
similar situations.  I am anxiously waiting for the Elecraft next iteration,
whether or not it's designated K4, to take the lead.

73, Bill, K8TE


Hi all,

It’s very obvious to me. Elecraft began with a K1, then “updated” to a K2
(which I am building). Then they “updated” to a K3, and all the new mods
that go on it. So, it’s very obvious to me, that the new “updated” radio
should be called (ready for this?), THE K4 !

It naturally follows with their earlier naming scheme.

Don, KE0PVQ





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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 RX I/Q testing

[Don Wilhelm]

Kevin,

You are unlikely to hear anything from the headphones from that jack.
Feed it into a soundcard and you should see something using a panadapter 
application like HDSDR or NaP3.


The RX I/Q output is low level and broadband.  It is not suitable for 
digital mode software like FlDigi.  For that software, use the Phones jack.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/10/2019 12:24 AM, Kevin F. wrote:

I did check that the RX I/Q was enabled and still hear nothing, on my
computer, when plugged in to the RX I/Q port. I'm ordering a set of adapters
so that I can put my headphones on the radio directly to see what I hear
then. Thanks all for trying to help...

I still wonder if I should hear anything with the RX I/Q enabled or not, it
would be great if someone could answer that question.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 RX I/Q testing

[Nr4c]

The jack is 3/32 inch or 2.5 mm. 

Have you tried connecting the I/Q output to a computer and some SDR software 
that actually uses I/Q input?  

I don’t think you’ll hear much using phones.  Scope should show the signal I 
would think. 

Be sure to push plug all the way into the hack. It is very stiff for the first 
several times. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 11, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Kevin F.  wrote:
> 
> Thanks ALL for the help.
> 
> I'm still getting zero audio out of RX I/Q and want to make sure that I have
> done my due diligence trying to figure out the issue. I'll have some
> adapters on their way later today for the 1/16th inch jack to put headphones
> on it that way I don't have to trust that my computer isn't dropping the
> signal from RX I/Q someplace.
> 
> I'm looking at the hard step next, I haven't recently taken a backup of my
> radio, a full reset of the entire radio and re-alignment. I'm going to read
> about the steps before I commit to this however I'm not hearing the RX I/Q
> and there seems to be something strange happening with the CW RX audio in
> the 40 meter band that I'm also wondering if a re-alignment would clear up.
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Sorta OT - assistive technology assistance

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

Been there, done that.  Too smart and too old to do it again. Buying is 
better.   Operating what one has purchased is more fun. Better yet, 
learning to operate what one has purchased is very gratifying.


73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S, P3, KPA500, KAT500


On 1/11/2019 6:42 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
Real hams design and build their own radios. :-) (I'm not a real ham 
yet.)


73 Bill AE6JV




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Re: [Elecraft] Sorta OT - assistive technology assistance

[Bill Frantz]

Real hams design and build their own radios. :-) (I'm not a real 
ham yet.)


73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/11/19 at 11:48 AM, alor...@sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) wrote:

I built a QRP transceiver totally from scratch last year, and 
virtually everybody I told asked me, "Why?" It took me weeks 
and weeks and, had I not been blessed with a really good junk 
box, would have cost me more than a KX2. But... I got to work 
with some really cool ultra low noise op amps and figured out 
how to get a half-watt out of a 2N, so putting this 
particular rig on the air for the first time was my "diploma".

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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Robert Brown via Elecraft]

An updated K3?  I think they’re called “a keeper.”

Bob Brown, N1CVX
K3 # 327

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 TX power overshoot

[Eric Norris]

I see TX power overshoot when there is too much audio drive.  The 5th bar
should be flashing not solid on the ALC meter.  Also, do a TX GAIN
calibration procedure from the K3 Utility.

My KPA500 has endured some massive peak power overshoots without
destruction (1200w) before I readjusted things.  I also use an LP-100, and
it seems to have an extremely sensitive peak mode.


73 Eric WD6DBM

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 1:21 PM John Simmons  I have a 6xxx K3 (not S). The output of the radio is monitored by an
> LP100A wattmeter set to peak reading. The K3 drives an AL80B. I have
> just done a TX power calibration. With the K3 power output set to 60
> watts and running SSB I will see about 64 watts output but occasionally
> see 74 watts peak on the LP100A. I am about to change to a solid state
> amp and am concerned that I will damage the solid state amp by overdriving.
>
> Is this normal behavior? If not, anything I can check, change or align?
>
> 73,
> -John NI0K
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 TX power overshoot

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

I occasionally see a wee bit of overshoot as seen on my KPA500. I'm 
driving it from my K3S at about 20 watts for about 400 watts out on 
SSB.  Occasionally I'll see a 450 or 500 watt indication on the LED 
bargraph.  The KPA500 doesn't seem to mind.


If I set the drive power to 20 watts CW mode, I never see any overshoot.

There is a TXG VCE menu item in the CONFIG menu.   Check the value of 
this.  It balances voice transmit peak power in relation to CW peak 
power.  See page 67 of the manual.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 1/11/2019 3:21 PM, John Simmons wrote:
I have a 6xxx K3 (not S). The output of the radio is monitored by an 
LP100A wattmeter set to peak reading. The K3 drives an AL80B. I have 
just done a TX power calibration. With the K3 power output set to 60 
watts and running SSB I will see about 64 watts output but 
occasionally see 74 watts peak on the LP100A. I am about to change to 
a solid state amp and am concerned that I will damage the solid state 
amp by overdriving.


Is this normal behavior? If not, anything I can check, change or align?

73,
-John NI0K
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[Elecraft] K3 TX power overshoot

[John Simmons]

I have a 6xxx K3 (not S). The output of the radio is monitored by an 
LP100A wattmeter set to peak reading. The K3 drives an AL80B. I have 
just done a TX power calibration. With the K3 power output set to 60 
watts and running SSB I will see about 64 watts output but occasionally 
see 74 watts peak on the LP100A. I am about to change to a solid state 
amp and am concerned that I will damage the solid state amp by overdriving.


Is this normal behavior? If not, anything I can check, change or align?

73,
-John NI0K
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Re: [Elecraft] Yama CM-500 Replacement

[James Bennett via Elecraft]

Well, after using those Koss SB45 cans for fifteen minutes - back they go to 
Amazon and a brand new pair of Yamaha CM500’s is on it’s way to me. My initial 
feeling was that the Koss was a tad tighter, but the more I wore them, the less 
comfortable I was with ‘em. I guess that’s the difference between a $25 pair 
and a $56 pair. I hope the ear pads on this set last longer than the seven 
years I got out of the original. But, all things being equal, I suppose $8 per 
year isn’t bad…

Let’s close this thread before Wayne drops the hammer on it.

Thanks, and 73 to all who responded.

Jim / W6JHB
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Re: [Elecraft] Yama CM-500 Replacement

[AB2E Darrell]

Hi all,
I still have a CM-500 sitting here but rarely use it now.
Just before CQWW CW in Nov I purchased an Inrad W1 headset. Outstanding 
performance, and 0 fatigue on your ears. While it doesn't claim to be a noise 
cancelling headset, with the high kerosene heater noise in my unheated garage 
shack, it did seem to lower the noise considerably.
For those in noisy environments, I recommend the Bose QC35 or QC25. These are 
true noise cancelling headphones and are pricy (I was fortunate to get mine 
free with United Airlines mileage that was expiring). I also have a Heil Proset 
which I like, but ears are sore after a 48hr contest.

I've used all of these on the K3 and/or Icom 7700,7800, and 756 Pro III.

73 and HNY.
Darrell AB2E







> On Jan 11, 2019, at 11:08 AM, N2TK, Tony  wrote:
>
> I had bought ear pad replacement covers for KOSS UR20, UR30 and SB40 that fit 
> the CM-500 fine. I think they were $9 for a pair. It didn't take long to 
> replace. It is a little pain getting the three screws lined up to assemble.
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
> Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 9:06 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Yama CM-500 Replacement
>
> I suggest another set of CM-500's.They may last 2 years, 5 years or
> 10 years before they are headed for the trash.   Just look at it as a 
> consumable item and that is just the cost of ownership.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 1/8/2019 9:00 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:
>> Sad to say, but my trusty old CM-500 headphones with boom mic finally bit 
>> the dust. The ear pads had started rotting away, leaving me with black 
>> pieces of gunk on my ears after every on-air session. Tried replacing the 
>> pads with a set of Koss pads but they simply were too small and I wound up 
>> breaking off the connectors going to the speakers. Life is too short to 
>> spend any more time messing with them, so it’s time to look for a 
>> replacement.
>>
>> I’d like to hear from others who are using a similar type of headphone/mic 
>> combo - one that is a direct plug-in to the back of a K3 like the Yamaha 
>> CM-500. If Yamaha would offer replacement parts to their users I’d consider 
>> getting another CM-500, but they don’t and I’m not inclined to buy something 
>> again that cannot easily be repaired.
>>
>> Suggestions…?
>>
>> Jim / w6JHB
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 RX I/Q testing

[Kevin F.]

Thanks ALL for the help.

I'm still getting zero audio out of RX I/Q and want to make sure that I have
done my due diligence trying to figure out the issue. I'll have some
adapters on their way later today for the 1/16th inch jack to put headphones
on it that way I don't have to trust that my computer isn't dropping the
signal from RX I/Q someplace.

I'm looking at the hard step next, I haven't recently taken a backup of my
radio, a full reset of the entire radio and re-alignment. I'm going to read
about the steps before I commit to this however I'm not hearing the RX I/Q
and there seems to be something strange happening with the CW RX audio in
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Re: [Elecraft] Yama CM-500 Replacement

[Charlie T]

If you can find ones that fit, I highly recommend a "Velour" version rather
than the same old thin plastic that will eventually also flake off.

I have three Sony MDR-7506s' and all have Velour pads.
Once you try a set, you'll never want to go back to OEM pads.

73, Charlie k3ICH




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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:05 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Yama CM-500 Replacement

$5 free shipping direct from Koss, if these are the correct cushions. 

https://www.koss.com/accessories/cushions/ur20-ear-cushion

73
Josh W6XU

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> On Jan 11, 2019, at 11:08 AM, N2TK, Tony  wrote:
> 
> I had bought ear pad replacement covers for KOSS UR20, UR30 and SB40 that
fit the CM-500 fine. I think they were $9 for a pair. It didn't take long to
replace. It is a little pain getting the three screws lined up to assemble.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Charlie T]

Yep, it almost as confusing as the progression of the Collins S-Line
receivers, from the 75S-1, 75S-2, 75S-3, 75S-3A, 75S-3B, and finally, the
75S-3C.

Personally, I feel the reason the K3s was not introduced as the K4, is that
they didn't want to make all the K3 owners feel like Icom buyers.
(Example: IC-756, IC-756PRO, IC-756PRO II, IC-756 PRO III, IC-7600 and now
the IC-7610.)
Not knocking Icom since I have owned each of them and understand their
product development & marketing strategy.
I currently have the IC-7610 as well as a K3s/P3/VGA and I like them both.

73, Charlie k3ICH

 




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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 10:57 AM
To: Rich ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

Hi all,



It's very obvious to me. Elecraft began with a K1, then "updated" to a K2
(which I am building). Then they "updated" to a K3, and all the new mods
that go on it. So, it's very obvious to me, that the new "updated" radio
should be called (ready for this?), THE K4 !



It naturally follows with their earlier naming scheme.



Don, KE0PVQ



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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:54:39 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

OK I thought this was just a fun thing, I did not know it was actually a
serious thing.

Frankly a K3 is a K3 and a K3S is a K3S.   The difference in each radio
can vary wildly based on what the owner has installed in the radio as
far as options go.   That is the bottom line.   To me the K3S options
that are available for the K3 are nothing more than additional options.

As for making a used purchase, the SN is critical.

Rich

On 1/11/2019 9:30 AM, John K9UWA wrote:
> One would think that K3s represents multiple K3 radios. As in Plural of
K3.
>
> I am sure that it causes some confusion to many who read the Elecraft 
> reflector or other places where the radios are discussed.
>
> I do thank Wayne and Eric for a list that says. The new radio has the 
> following differences to the K3 radio. As well as the portions of the 
> K3 that can not be upgraded to equal the new K3S radio.
>
> John k9uwa
> John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations 
> k9...@arrl.net Visit our Web Site at:
> http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
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> USA
> 1-260-637-6426
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Re: [Elecraft] Yama CM-500 Replacement

[Josh Fiden]

$5 free shipping direct from Koss, if these are the correct cushions. 

https://www.koss.com/accessories/cushions/ur20-ear-cushion

73
Josh W6XU

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> On Jan 11, 2019, at 11:08 AM, N2TK, Tony  wrote:
> 
> I had bought ear pad replacement covers for KOSS UR20, UR30 and SB40 that fit 
> the CM-500 fine. I think they were $9 for a pair. It didn't take long to 
> replace. It is a little pain getting the three screws lined up to assemble.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Sorta OT - assistive technology assistance

[Al Lorona]

JR - I have a folder of dozens of replies to Elecraft posts that I've never 
sent. (I try to exercise discipline so that the moderator doesn't have to slap 
me on the hand.) But your reply said *exactly* what a draft that I had written 
said. I'm very happy that you expressed the same idea.

Building vs. buying, especially when buying is cheaper, is the homebrewer's 
dilemma. You now have to really want to learn something to build something 
yourself, and not merely save money.  More and more, homebrewing is in effect 
paying "tuition" to learn by doing.

I built a QRP transceiver totally from scratch last year, and virtually 
everybody I told asked me, "Why?" It took me weeks and weeks and, had I not 
been blessed with a really good junk box, would have cost me more than a KX2. 
But... I got to work with some really cool ultra low noise op amps and figured 
out how to get a half-watt out of a 2N, so putting this particular rig on 
the air for the first time was my "diploma".

I hope your construction project goes well. Please let us know when you get it 
working.

Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Dick Dickinson]

For those who dwell far to the right of the decimal point (rather than in 
caves), I suppose there could be a whole alphabet of suffix designations.  My 
precise intent was a light-hearted, generic characterization.  My K3 (Vintage - 
Upgraded) is not currently up for sale. 

Dick - KA5KKT

-

Except, it doesn’t actually MEAN anything.  Unless you’ve been living in a cave 
since you bought one, almost every K3 is “upgraded” to some extent.  It doesn’t 
solve the basic problem — a K3 (or even  K3S to a lesser extent) needs to 
specify precisely (1) what published mods have been installed, (2) what factory 
mods have been installed, and (3) what options it contains.

I’d certainly never buy someone’s K3U thing without that information … with a 
“U” or not.

This is just nuts … 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> 
> But K3U is simple and, if adopted by this group, probably will "stick"!
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Re: [Elecraft] Yama CM-500 Replacement

[James Bennett via Elecraft]

Thanks guys - I wound up with a Koss SB45 headset - seems to work pretty well, 
although not as comfortable as the Yamaha.



> On Jan 11, 2019, at 11:08 AM, N2TK, Tony  wrote:
> 
> I had bought ear pad replacement covers for KOSS UR20, UR30 and SB40 that fit 
> the CM-500 fine. I think they were $9 for a pair. It didn't take long to 
> replace. It is a little pain getting the three screws lined up to assemble.
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
> Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 9:06 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Yama CM-500 Replacement
> 
> I suggest another set of CM-500's.They may last 2 years, 5 years or
> 10 years before they are headed for the trash.   Just look at it as a 
> consumable item and that is just the cost of ownership.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> On 1/8/2019 9:00 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:
>> Sad to say, but my trusty old CM-500 headphones with boom mic finally bit 
>> the dust. The ear pads had started rotting away, leaving me with black 
>> pieces of gunk on my ears after every on-air session. Tried replacing the 
>> pads with a set of Koss pads but they simply were too small and I wound up 
>> breaking off the connectors going to the speakers. Life is too short to 
>> spend any more time messing with them, so it’s time to look for a 
>> replacement.
>> 
>> I’d like to hear from others who are using a similar type of headphone/mic 
>> combo - one that is a direct plug-in to the back of a K3 like the Yamaha 
>> CM-500. If Yamaha would offer replacement parts to their users I’d consider 
>> getting another CM-500, but they don’t and I’m not inclined to buy something 
>> again that cannot easily be repaired.
>> 
>> Suggestions…?
>> 
>> Jim / w6JHB
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Yama CM-500 Replacement

[N2TK, Tony]

I had bought ear pad replacement covers for KOSS UR20, UR30 and SB40 that fit 
the CM-500 fine. I think they were $9 for a pair. It didn't take long to 
replace. It is a little pain getting the three screws lined up to assemble.
73,
N2TK, Tony

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 9:06 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Yama CM-500 Replacement

I suggest another set of CM-500's.They may last 2 years, 5 years or
10 years before they are headed for the trash.   Just look at it as a 
consumable item and that is just the cost of ownership.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 1/8/2019 9:00 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:
> Sad to say, but my trusty old CM-500 headphones with boom mic finally bit the 
> dust. The ear pads had started rotting away, leaving me with black pieces of 
> gunk on my ears after every on-air session. Tried replacing the pads with a 
> set of Koss pads but they simply were too small and I wound up breaking off 
> the connectors going to the speakers. Life is too short to spend any more 
> time messing with them, so it’s time to look for a replacement.
>
> I’d like to hear from others who are using a similar type of headphone/mic 
> combo - one that is a direct plug-in to the back of a K3 like the Yamaha 
> CM-500. If Yamaha would offer replacement parts to their users I’d consider 
> getting another CM-500, but they don’t and I’m not inclined to buy something 
> again that cannot easily be repaired.
>
> Suggestions…?
>
> Jim / w6JHB
>

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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Grant Youngman]

Except, it doesn’t actually MEAN anything.  Unless you’ve been living in a cave 
since you bought one, almost every K3 is “upgraded” to some extent.  It doesn’t 
solve the basic problem — a K3 (or even  K3S to a lesser extent) needs to 
specify precisely (1) what published mods have been installed, (2) what factory 
mods have been installed, and (3) what options it contains.

I’d certainly never buy someone’s K3U thing without that information … with a 
“U” or not.

This is just nuts … 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> 
> But K3U is simple and, if adopted by this group, probably will "stick"!
> 

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[Elecraft] Fwd: K2/100 for sale

[Derek Brook]

-- Forwarded message -
From: Keith Trinity WE6R 
Date: Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: K2/100 for sale
To: Derek Brook 


Hi Derek;
This came to Admin. Please post to elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Keith WE6R

On 1/11/2019 10:15 AM, Derek Brook wrote:

I still have it ,because the last sale fall through the buyer back out.
It comes with manuals,Mic & all cables
$1000 shipped.Contact me via Email.

Derek/KD3GZ
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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Edward R Cole]

Bernie, AF9US  beat me to it.  I thought K3U for updated or K3+.

It would only designate it has hdwr updates but not which ones 
specifically.  If selling, those should be listed by the seller and 
clarified whether self-installed or Elecraft-installed, which might 
matter to some buyers.


My K3 SN-4340 bought in 2010 is upgraded with two new synth and 
modified gen coverage bw filter for operation on 630m.  It has many 
options which I installed as a "kit".  Firmware is not updated to 
latest vers (yet).


So each radio is "customized" by the owner so a simple upgrade 
designation is kind of incomplete.


I call my KX3 the KX3-2M to specify it has the 2m transverter mod 
(which I installed as a kit).  But it has other options installed.


But K3U is simple and, if adopted by this group, probably will "stick"!

73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Walter Underwood]

We could name them like fighter aircraft variants: K3 bis, K3 ter, K3 quater.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 11, 2019, at 6:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:
> 
> Clarification:
> 
> The Tentec Omni VI Plus is not the same as the Tentec Omni VI, opt 3.  There 
> is a difference, in model number and performance and features.  Thus from my 
> take, a K3 upgrade is just that, a K3 that has the recommended factory 
> upgrades installed.And a K3S is a K3S that can only come from the 
> factory.And in both cases, presumably a difference in value for resale 
> purposes.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 1/11/2019 8:08 AM, Doug Person wrote:
>> K3+ as the TenTec folks had referred to the Omni 6 with upgrades.
>> 
>> Doug -- KJ0F
>> 
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[Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Dick Dickinson]

The term 'Vintage' is often used on eBay to impart certain aspects of an item.
A K3S might be 'Modern.'
An updated K3 could be 'Modernized Vintage.'

Dick - KA5KKT



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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Eric Norris]

That one was slow, waist-high, and right over the plate.  :-)

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 8:11 AM Don Wilhelm  Not quite right.  The K2 was first - named after the mountain.
> The K1 came later, followed by the KX1.
> Then came the K3.  The KX3 came after that - then the K3S, and finally,
> the KX2.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
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[Elecraft] [K2] Any N0SS amp keying boards out there?

[Eric Norris]

Does anyone have an N0SS (SK) K2 amplifier keying board, kit, or completed
kit out there they would be interested in selling?  Please contact me off
list.  Thanks.

73 Eric WD6DBM
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Re: [Elecraft] Sorta OT - assistive technology assistance

[Ken Winterling]

JR,

Another approach to help your friend is to buy and install an inexpensive,
simple mixer as he can clearly make use of it now.  You can still build a
mixer for the experience.  After taking whatever time is necessary for
designing, building, and debugging in your shop you can try it out at your
friend’s location for a “real world” evaluation by a real “end user”.  His
feedback may give you an opportunity to provide improvements to your design
or tailor it to his specific needs/desires.

Ken
WA2LBI



On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:57 Walter Underwood 
wrote:

> Since you are dead set on building one from scratch, start here.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=audio+mixer+circuit
>
> You'll see a lot of four-channel mixers because quad op-amps are cheap,
> under $1.
>
> This one has the pots before the op amps.
>
> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/projects/build-an-audio-mixer/
>
> This one has the pots after the op amps.
>
> http://www.theorycircuit.com/audio-mixer-circuit/
>
> I’d be interested in the parts cost after you have chosen a design.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
> > On Jan 10, 2019, at 11:36 PM, Richards  wrote:
> >
> > THANK YOU for the several replies to my mixer circuit question - both on
> and off the list.  Unfortunately, few actually answered the original
> question,  most often advising me to abandon the project or mix on a
> computer sound card.
> >
> > First - Thanks, Steve, for your input based on personal experience.
>  While I am familiar with your mixer, Tom prefers a device with stereo
> channels and outputs for both headphones and powered speakers. The model
> under consideration has only two control pots, making it easier to manage.
>  Tom truly appreciates your personal input and direct correspondence off
> list.   He puts a lot of stock in your take.
> >
> > Second - Tom prefers a simple hardware solution.   Locating a manual
> control next to the rig is much easier (for him) to manage, than mixing
> with a computer sound card.   Navigating multiple operating system windows
> is a serious challenge because he cannot see the monitor or use a mouse.
> This is not the preferred method for a contest or snagging rare DX before a
> pileup ensues.  Mixing on a computer would be very inconvenient;  close
> your eyes and try it some day!   It's easy for you to say ... but, not so
> easy for my friend to do.
> >
> > Third -  We can simply purchase a commercial product  (I recommend the
> Rolls MINImix MS22s stereo mixer, with just two pots, and outputs for both
> headphones and speakers)
> >
> > UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DEFEATS THE WHOLE POINT BEHIND MY QUESTION.
> >
> > While I do NOT wish to look a gift horse in the chops, or appear
> ungrateful for the advice received so far;  money is not the object as I
> want to LEARN how this type of circuit works, and do a favor for a friend,
> in one stroke. Advising me to save money and just buy a turn-key,
> off-the-shelf solution hardly fits the HAM RADIO TRADITION of
> experimentation and self-determination,  and teaches me nothing about
> circuit design.   I was hoping to build something MYSELF- earning that
> heady sense of self-satisfaction that accompanies the completion of a
> successful home brew project.  Considering all the experts on this list,
> including world class board certified AES audio man Jim Brown, I figured a
> simple summing circuit would be a snap.
> >
> > I close this thread with a big THANK YOU on behalf of my  ... um ...
> "client,"  whilst I repair to the proverbial drawing board to renew my
> search for a simple summing circuit.
> >
> > Happy trails to all.   JR
> >
> > (We return you to your regular daily programming content) ;-)
> >
> > -
> >
>
> --

Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Don Wilhelm]

Not quite right.  The K2 was first - named after the mountain.
The K1 came later, followed by the KX1.
Then came the K3.  The KX3 came after that - then the K3S, and finally, 
the KX2.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/11/2019 10:56 AM, Don Schroder wrote:

Hi all,



It’s very obvious to me. Elecraft began with a K1, then “updated” to a K2 
(which I am building). Then they “updated” to a K3, and all the new mods that 
go on it. So, it’s very obvious to me, that the new “updated” radio should be 
called (ready for this?), THE K4 !



It naturally follows with their earlier naming scheme.



Don, KE0PVQ



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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on behalf 
of Rich 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:54:39 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

OK I thought this was just a fun thing, I did not know it was actually a
serious thing.

Frankly a K3 is a K3 and a K3S is a K3S.   The difference in each radio
can vary wildly based on what the owner has installed in the radio as
far as options go.   That is the bottom line.   To me the K3S options
that are available for the K3 are nothing more than additional options.

As for making a used purchase, the SN is critical.

Rich

On 1/11/2019 9:30 AM, John K9UWA wrote:

One would think that K3s represents multiple K3 radios. As in Plural of K3.

I am sure that it causes some confusion to many who read the Elecraft reflector 
or
other places where the radios are discussed.

I do thank Wayne and Eric for a list that says. The new radio has the following
differences to the K3 radio. As well as the portions of the K3 that can not be
upgraded to equal the new K3S radio.

John k9uwa
John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF
Antique Radio Restorations
k9...@arrl.net
Visit our Web Site at:
http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
4836 Ranch Road
Leo, IN 46765
USA
1-260-637-6426

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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 Span Function (WU6R - Mark)

[Mark Wheeler via Elecraft]

Brian,

Thanks!
Mark
WU6R

On Jan 11, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Brian Waterworth  
wrote:

Page 25 of the PX3 manual says:

The frequency span shown on the display in fixedtune mode is limited to ± 50 
kHz (100 kHz total). If you enter fixed-tune mode with a wider span set, the 
span will be reduced automatically to ± 50 kHz.

:-) 

Fixed tune mode was a welcome addition a couple of years ago to the PX3.

regards, 
Brian
VE3IBW

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:31 AM Mark Wheeler via Elecraft 
 wrote:
Page 13 of the PX3 manual says the available span range is 2 kHz to 200 kHz, but I am not able to set my span beyond 100 kHz.  


As an example, the top left of the PX3 display reads "3.700.000",
The middle (VFO A) frequency reads "3.747.000", and
The top right reads "3.800.000"

Per the manual, I should be able to get a 200 kHz separation between the top 
left and right frequencies, but I am unable to do so by changing the span 
settings.

Does anyone know what I may be doing wrong?  

73,
Mark
WU6R
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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Don Schroder]

Hi all,



It’s very obvious to me. Elecraft began with a K1, then “updated” to a K2 
(which I am building). Then they “updated” to a K3, and all the new mods that 
go on it. So, it’s very obvious to me, that the new “updated” radio should be 
called (ready for this?), THE K4 !



It naturally follows with their earlier naming scheme.



Don, KE0PVQ



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behalf of Rich 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:54:39 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

OK I thought this was just a fun thing, I did not know it was actually a
serious thing.

Frankly a K3 is a K3 and a K3S is a K3S.   The difference in each radio
can vary wildly based on what the owner has installed in the radio as
far as options go.   That is the bottom line.   To me the K3S options
that are available for the K3 are nothing more than additional options.

As for making a used purchase, the SN is critical.

Rich

On 1/11/2019 9:30 AM, John K9UWA wrote:
> One would think that K3s represents multiple K3 radios. As in Plural of K3.
>
> I am sure that it causes some confusion to many who read the Elecraft 
> reflector or
> other places where the radios are discussed.
>
> I do thank Wayne and Eric for a list that says. The new radio has the 
> following
> differences to the K3 radio. As well as the portions of the K3 that can not be
> upgraded to equal the new K3S radio.
>
> John k9uwa
> John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF
> Antique Radio Restorations
> k9...@arrl.net
> Visit our Web Site at:
> http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
> 4836 Ranch Road
> Leo, IN 46765
> USA
> 1-260-637-6426
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Re: [Elecraft] Sorta OT - assistive technology assistance

[Walter Underwood]

Since you are dead set on building one from scratch, start here.

https://www.google.com/search?q=audio+mixer+circuit

You'll see a lot of four-channel mixers because quad op-amps are cheap, under 
$1.

This one has the pots before the op amps.

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/projects/build-an-audio-mixer/

This one has the pots after the op amps.

http://www.theorycircuit.com/audio-mixer-circuit/

I’d be interested in the parts cost after you have chosen a design.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 10, 2019, at 11:36 PM, Richards  wrote:
> 
> THANK YOU for the several replies to my mixer circuit question - both on and 
> off the list.  Unfortunately, few actually answered the original question,  
> most often advising me to abandon the project or mix on a computer sound card.
> 
> First - Thanks, Steve, for your input based on personal experience.   While I 
> am familiar with your mixer, Tom prefers a device with stereo channels and 
> outputs for both headphones and powered speakers. The model under 
> consideration has only two control pots, making it easier to manage.   Tom 
> truly appreciates your personal input and direct correspondence off list.   
> He puts a lot of stock in your take.
> 
> Second - Tom prefers a simple hardware solution.   Locating a manual control 
> next to the rig is much easier (for him) to manage, than mixing with a 
> computer sound card.   Navigating multiple operating system windows is a 
> serious challenge because he cannot see the monitor or use a mouse.  This is 
> not the preferred method for a contest or snagging rare DX before a pileup 
> ensues.  Mixing on a computer would be very inconvenient;  close your eyes 
> and try it some day!   It's easy for you to say ... but, not so easy for my 
> friend to do.
> 
> Third -  We can simply purchase a commercial product  (I recommend the Rolls 
> MINImix MS22s stereo mixer, with just two pots, and outputs for both 
> headphones and speakers)
> 
> UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DEFEATS THE WHOLE POINT BEHIND MY QUESTION.
> 
> While I do NOT wish to look a gift horse in the chops, or appear ungrateful 
> for the advice received so far;  money is not the object as I want to LEARN 
> how this type of circuit works, and do a favor for a friend, in one stroke. 
> Advising me to save money and just buy a turn-key, off-the-shelf solution 
> hardly fits the HAM RADIO TRADITION of experimentation and 
> self-determination,  and teaches me nothing about circuit design.   I was 
> hoping to build something MYSELF- earning that heady sense of 
> self-satisfaction that accompanies the completion of a successful home brew 
> project.  Considering all the experts on this list, including world class 
> board certified AES audio man Jim Brown, I figured a simple summing circuit 
> would be a snap.
> 
> I close this thread with a big THANK YOU on behalf of my  ... um ... 
> "client,"  whilst I repair to the proverbial drawing board to renew my search 
> for a simple summing circuit.
> 
> Happy trails to all.   JR
> 
> (We return you to your regular daily programming content) ;-)
> 
> -
> 
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[Elecraft] What's an Updated K3 called?

[Dauer, Edward]

K3+


Too many permutations to indicate in a single label.  On a resale the buyer can 
inquire.

Ted, KN1CBR

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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 Span Function (WU6R - Mark)

[Brian Waterworth]

Page 25 of the PX3 manual says:

The frequency span shown on the display in fixedtune mode is limited to ±
50 kHz (100 kHz total). If you enter fixed-tune mode with a wider span set,
the span will be reduced automatically to ± 50 kHz.

:-)

Fixed tune mode was a welcome addition a couple of years ago to the PX3.

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:31 AM Mark Wheeler via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Page 13 of the PX3 manual says the available span range is 2 kHz to 200
> kHz, but I am not able to set my span beyond 100 kHz.
>
> As an example, the top left of the PX3 display reads "3.700.000",
> The middle (VFO A) frequency reads "3.747.000", and
> The top right reads "3.800.000"
>
> Per the manual, I should be able to get a 200 kHz separation between the
> top left and right frequencies, but I am unable to do so by changing the
> span settings.
>
> Does anyone know what I may be doing wrong?
>
> 73,
> Mark
> WU6R
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[Elecraft] PX3 Span Function (WU6R - Mark)

[Mark Wheeler via Elecraft]

Page 13 of the PX3 manual says the available span range is 2 kHz to 200 kHz, but I am not able to set my span beyond 100 kHz.  


As an example, the top left of the PX3 display reads "3.700.000",
The middle (VFO A) frequency reads "3.747.000", and
The top right reads "3.800.000"

Per the manual, I should be able to get a 200 kHz separation between the top 
left and right frequencies, but I am unable to do so by changing the span 
settings.

Does anyone know what I may be doing wrong?  

73,
Mark
WU6R
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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Rich]

OK I thought this was just a fun thing, I did not know it was actually a 
serious thing.


Frankly a K3 is a K3 and a K3S is a K3S.   The difference in each radio 
can vary wildly based on what the owner has installed in the radio as 
far as options go.   That is the bottom line.   To me the K3S options 
that are available for the K3 are nothing more than additional options.


As for making a used purchase, the SN is critical.

Rich

On 1/11/2019 9:30 AM, John K9UWA wrote:

One would think that K3s represents multiple K3 radios. As in Plural of K3.

I am sure that it causes some confusion to many who read the Elecraft reflector 
or
other places where the radios are discussed.

I do thank Wayne and Eric for a list that says. The new radio has the following
differences to the K3 radio. As well as the portions of the K3 that can not be
upgraded to equal the new K3S radio.

John k9uwa
John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF
Antique Radio Restorations
k9...@arrl.net
Visit our Web Site at:
http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
4836 Ranch Road
Leo, IN 46765
USA
1-260-637-6426

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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Michael P. Rioux]

K3A


Mike, W1USN

Si vis pacem, para bellum

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> On Jan 11, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Charlie T  wrote:
> 
> It should be named "K3CharlieT".
> (After ME !)
> That way, when I get famous, your descendants can sell it as a valuable
> collectable artifact for lots of money, or whatever is used at that time for
> bartering.
> 
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
> 
> 
> If you think this is a tad absurd, you're absolutely correct.just as
> this thread has gotten.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
> Behalf Of Raymond Sills
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:15 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?
> 
> So. let's call it a K3U... (U for upgrade)... so as to distinguish it
> from a K3S.
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Grant Youngman]

Couldn’t agree more.  I’ll wager there is at least one early K3 out there with 
a new synthesizer board and none of the published K3 updates installed.  Sure 
.. it’s “upgraded”, but what is it?

The whole “I have a K3S and you have a mere K3” bit of puffery going around is 
just … well … puffery :-)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Jan 11, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> All this is fun and good, but if you are selling it, it needs to be listed as 
> a K3 SN  with the specific upgrades enumerated - so the buyer knows what 
> he is buying.
> 
> I have run into this problem many, many times with the early K2s - they are 
> listed as being upgraded, only to find out (for instance) that only the 
> firmware has been changed while the A to B upgrades have not been installed.
> What upgraded means to one person does not equal the perception of another 
> person.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Don Wilhelm]

All this is fun and good, but if you are selling it, it needs to be 
listed as a K3 SN  with the specific upgrades enumerated - so the 
buyer knows what he is buying.


I have run into this problem many, many times with the early K2s - they 
are listed as being upgraded, only to find out (for instance) that only 
the firmware has been changed while the A to B upgrades have not been 
installed.
What upgraded means to one person does not equal the perception of 
another person.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/11/2019 9:08 AM, Doug Person wrote:

K3+ as the TenTec folks had referred to the Omni 6 with upgrades.

Doug -- KJ0F

On 1/10/2019 8:23 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
Sure. Or maybe the "real" K3S is "Son of K3," while the upgraded model 
is "Stepson of K3"?


Back to my lab where I belong

Wayne
N6KR



On Jan 10, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Rich  wrote:

I kind of like

K3s (lower case S) is modified K3

K3S (upper case S) is the new radio

Rich

K3RWN

On 1/10/2019 21:37 PM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
what do we call an original K3 with the new preamp and synthesizer 
boards in it? K3 1.5? only difference between it and a S model is 
the USB board.

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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[John K9UWA]

One would think that K3s represents multiple K3 radios. As in Plural of K3.

I am sure that it causes some confusion to many who read the Elecraft reflector 
or 
other places where the radios are discussed. 

I do thank Wayne and Eric for a list that says. The new radio has the following 
differences to the K3 radio. As well as the portions of the K3 that can not be 
upgraded to equal the new K3S radio.

John k9uwa
John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF 
Antique Radio Restorations
k9...@arrl.net
Visit our Web Site at:
http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
4836 Ranch Road
Leo, IN 46765
USA
1-260-637-6426

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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Charlie T]

It should be named "K3CharlieT".
(After ME !)
That way, when I get famous, your descendants can sell it as a valuable
collectable artifact for lots of money, or whatever is used at that time for
bartering.

73, Charlie k3ICH


If you think this is a tad absurd, you're absolutely correct.just as
this thread has gotten.



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Raymond Sills
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:15 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

So. let's call it a K3U... (U for upgrade)... so as to distinguish it
from a K3S.



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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

Clarification:

The Tentec Omni VI Plus is not the same as the Tentec Omni VI, opt 3.  
There is a difference, in model number and performance and features.  
Thus from my take, a K3 upgrade is just that, a K3 that has the 
recommended factory upgrades installed.    And a K3S is a K3S that can 
only come from the factory.    And in both cases, presumably a 
difference in value for resale purposes.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 1/11/2019 8:08 AM, Doug Person wrote:

K3+ as the TenTec folks had referred to the Omni 6 with upgrades.

Doug -- KJ0F



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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Doug Person]

K3+ as the TenTec folks had referred to the Omni 6 with upgrades.

Doug -- KJ0F

On 1/10/2019 8:23 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Sure. Or maybe the "real" K3S is "Son of K3," while the upgraded model is "Stepson 
of K3"?

Back to my lab where I belong

Wayne
N6KR



On Jan 10, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Rich  wrote:

I kind of like

K3s (lower case S) is modified K3

K3S (upper case S) is the new radio

Rich

K3RWN

On 1/10/2019 21:37 PM, Jamie WW3S wrote:

what do we call an original K3 with the new preamp and synthesizer boards in 
it? K3 1.5? only difference between it and a S model is the USB board.
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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

I'd say it is called and "updated K3".   The K3S is different and my 
understanding is that a K3 can not be updated to be a K3S. All abet 
similar, in the end, they are different radios.    For that fact alone, 
the reason I purchased a K3S and not a K3


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Bob, K4TAX


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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Raymond Sills]

So. let's call it a K3U... (U for upgrade)... so as to distinguish it from 
a K3S.


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-Original Message-
From: Wayne Burdick 
To: Jamie WW3S 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2019 10:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

...and the AF amp improvements on the DSP board, and the new VFO display bezel, 
and the 5/10/15 dB attenuator on the RF board, and the lower noise mod on the 
RF board :)

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jan 10, 2019, at 6:37 PM, Jamie WW3S  wrote:
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> what do we call an original K3 with the new preamp and synthesizer boards in 
> it? K3 1.5? only difference between it and a S model is the USB board.
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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Martin Sole]

Guessing you would check the serial number first, rear panel AND menu. That 
would tell you straight off 

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> On 11 Jan 2019, at 18:59, "j...@kk9a.com"  wrote:
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> Bad idea. If I purchased a used K3s and received a modified K3 I would be
> most unhappy.
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rich k3RWN
> 
> I kind of like
> 
> K3s (lower case S) is modified K3
> 
> K3S (upper case S) is the new radio
> 
> Rich
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> K3RWN
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[Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[j...@kk9a.com]

Bad idea. If I purchased a used K3s and received a modified K3 I would be
most unhappy.

John KK9A




Rich k3RWN

I kind of like

K3s (lower case S) is modified K3

K3S (upper case S) is the new radio

Rich

K3RWN

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[Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Bernie Lavezza via Elecraft]

What’s an updated K3 to be called?  

This is a no-brainer!  

You guys love to analyze — even to the point of OT!  Analyze this! (Love the 
movie!):

My suggestion is:  K3U.  It is simple, bears nice resemblance to the 
manufacturer’s existing model naming scheme.  

As an interested but non-owner of Elecraft radios, any moniker that bears too 
close of a resemblance to the manufacturer’s conventions (K3s, for example) can 
be too easily confused as a typo mistake, leaving a potential buyer thinking 
K3S; and, also requiring a buyer to know the differences between the updated K3 
and the K3S.  

I definitely appreciate all the differences itemized in this email thread, a 
“compiled and authorized list” will go a long way in helping prospective buyers 
have the information needed at the time he or she is ready to purchase an 
updated K3.

My suggestion-recommendation-vote is for K3U.

Enjoying the Elecraft email group, 
Bernie, AF9US

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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS]

Brilliant Rich, I like it.



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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS]

...and one more think, the ATU bypass relay if I am right ;)




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