Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Martin Sole]

How many can they sell is probably a big question.

I would suggest there are 3 main groups of amateur radio buyers:

1. Will always buy the newest greatest Elecraft (Kool Aid guys)
2. Already have a K3(S) whatever, fully loaded, good enough, not looking 
to buy new.

3. Wouldn't buy K3S because...

Group one will already sign up for it, probably pre-ordering as is the 
Elecraft way. Elecraft only has to change the badge for this group.


Group two are not going to buy, at least some anyway, others may be 
convinced to move from group two if there is enough of a differential 
with existing products.


Group three is the probably the primary target and to do this it needs 
to be a product that does what previous products have not, to some 
greater or lesser degree.


With a fully flexible, up-gradable, architecture such a product needs to 
start at a price where it looks attractive against similar spec 
competition. A premium added for its ability to be turned into a top 
tier radio. At the high end for the fully loaded gold plated edition I 
thing nobody has gone there yet. FT9000/IC7851/Flex6700M/Hilberling? 
really they only were bigger fatter radios $15k seems possible.


Martin,HS0ZED

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP]

1. A bitmapped display, so that it could be updated with the software, 
and would support soft keys.


2. A touch screen. Whether to go this way is a hard call. Many operators 
hate them. But given that there are many good reasons to keep the same 
form factor, it gets harder and harder to cram all the functionality 
into the small space available. A touch screen could completely 
reconfigure itself when you change modes. There is the possibility of 
providing a configuration utility that would let the operator develop 
his/her own screens. I would never have to look at the XFIL button 
again. We could get rid of the touch/hold interface, which is still 
error-prone for me after decades.


3. A bus/backplane architecture. It would permit almost total hardware 
upgradeability. The current K3 goes in this direction, but not far 
enough. But use gold pins.


4. The CW Pitch adjustment should not produce a tone, but should let you 
hear normal signals.


5. NB/NR performance could be improved over the K3/K3S. (I haven't tried 
the KX3/KX2).


6. Please do NOT build in firmware functionality for modes like FT8. On 
the other hand, a bus/backplane arrangement could allow the operator to 
plug in a single board Windows or Linux computer that could be used for 
external software for digital modes or logging or countless other things.


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
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On 25 Mar 2019 02:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:

Inquiring minds want to know:
What would you all like to see as a “K4” ?

Eric
elecraft.com


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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Martin Sole]

Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few 
things, though in no particular order of merit:


Integrated 7” (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen.

‘Proper’ band stacking registers.

Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B.

Individual mode buttons.

AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly.

More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable software as 
digi modes develop.


Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac.

50V minimum PA.

Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD.

Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu.

Bigger rotary controls with more space.

RF performance equal to or better than best of the best.

Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability.

PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU (KPA500/KAT500).

I/Q output.

Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is 
already the leader there).


More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio 
can do from a computer.


Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head 
used from where you need to be.


More ‘And’, less ‘Either or’ (Mic/Line selection level etc).


Martin, HS0ZED




On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:

Inquiring minds want to know:
What would you all like to see as a “K4” ?

Eric
elecraft.com

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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Josh Fiden]

I have an aftermarket Pioneer stereo in my car with a large touchscreen 
interface. It works very well and I can’t imagine how you could control a 
device with its level of functionality without it. 

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my (touchscreen) mobile device

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 6:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z)  wrote:
> 
> I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs...  Imagine one in your 
> moving car...

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Re: [Elecraft] K4?

[mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft]

I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen.  I have seen too many of 
these color screens that have burn in and failure.  I like my nice yellow 
screen that is always readable, and if damaged can be replaced for less than 
the cost of a new radio.  I like a radio that I can pick up and carry without 
straining my back.I like the separate modules that can be upgraded.  The 
price was a little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was 
worth it

Mark.  WB7TLK


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Re: [Elecraft] K4?

[John_N1JM]

It would hard to improve on the K3s's performance in a similar size package.
I would not want touch screen and a spectrum scope would probably increase
the size. A good thing to have would be predistotion to improve tx IMD.

John N1JM



Elecraft mailing list wrote
> At Pacificon 2017 eighteen months ago, I pressed one of the Elecraft sales
> people very hard about a K4 introduction. He admitted that they are
> working on the K4, but would not say anything about timing or
> content/performance. 
> 
> Remember that Elecraft worked on the KPA1500 for 10+ years before it was
> introduced. It could easily be 5 years before we see a K4. 
> 
> In the meantime, the K3s line is still by far the best amateur radio
> system in the world from the perspective of combined performance,
> flexibility, and value. Why would you want a K4? For the eye candy and
> convenience of a big, full color, touch screen display? So that you can
> feel good about having an RF-sampled SDR that provides little to no
> improvement in real world, useable, performance? 
> So you can brag about "Pure Signal" distortion compensated transmission?
> Because you want access to the receiver I and Q channels?
> 
> I am tired of discussing a potential K4. If you need the best new station
> at the best value, buy a K3s line. I made that decision 12 months ago. 
> I find it hard to lust after any other equipment now. 
> 
> 
> W9DBR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] K4/KX4 Features

[w7hd.rh]

[1] I would like to see a large color touch-screen such as that on the 
FT-991A.  It works flawlessly and is easy to navigate.
[2] Add 2M and 440 5W all-modes as optional features (yes, I would pay 
extra to get BOTH at the same time).  This would also be desirable for a 
KX4 :-)

[3] Provide IF output for use by SDR receivers.
[4] Both speaker out and line out levels by selection or separate.  Also 
for a KX4.
[5] USB only radio control and audio, such as in the FT-991A (yes I have 
one).


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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Bert]

You shouldn't be playing with your radio while driving anyway!!

Bert VE3NR


On 3/24/2019 9:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs...  Imagine one in 
your moving car...


73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL OOC for Oregon

On 3/24/19 5:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to 
come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be 
tuning around at this moment trying to be the first to work the 
DXpedition.


He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if 
he were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak 
signal tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. 
Instant clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy 
new rig's touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh 
no, not now, touch screen. Please recognize my finger... please! 
Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls 
again, and while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, time slows down, 
four seconds feel like four hours, and still the dim-witted screen 
does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the usual finger gymnastics that 
people do when they're trying to make their device understand that 
they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits there stupidly, 
the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus 
sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at 
Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly 
good radio.


For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't 
gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice.


Thank you,

Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Nr4c]

Touch screens have their place. My next HF rig may well have a touch screen. My 
mobile prob not. 

Sent from my iPhone via a “touch screen”!
...nr4c. bill


> On Mar 24, 2019, at 11:11 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
>> On 3/24/2019 6:54 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
>> I'm getting better at using voice as a result.
> 
> You've GOT to watch the most recent Bill Maher show (3/22/19) for his short 
> take on this! As I recall, it was in his New Rules segment. Excerpts and 
> complete shows can often be found on youtube.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4?

[Barry]

Merv,
I didn't mean using the P3 for I&Q data. I would prefer having it 
available from the K3S/K4. That would really cut down on the extra 
stuff.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 3/24/2019 10:37:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4?


THe P3 is already a receiver,  all it needs is a board to bring the I/Q out to 
the world,
How about Elecraft making a board for that purpose?
Has been talked about before but have heard of nothing happening with the idea.
Im sure there are many willing to invest in a board and what ever else it 
takes,  it would
keep everything in the K3/P3 enclosures,  and eliminate all the hang on pieces 
that people
use now.

73 Merv K9FD


I'm easy. All I want is the I&Q stream available on the back of the radio as it 
is on the KX3 while keeping the IF output. That opens up a number of options that I 
now use work arounds for.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
From: "Dauer, Edward" 
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
Sent: 3/24/2019 10:12:48 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4?


Wow; there's a tantalizing post.

I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my list:

1.  Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500.  Without it, I don't buy 
a K4.  Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod.

2.  Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s.  
Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current 
equipment.

3.  Built-in remoting.  Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles.

4.  Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard 
computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason.

5.  Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly K3s, 
would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design changes.

6.  One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an 
internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer.

7.  On-board panadapter.  Touch-sensitive screen is not all that desirable.  I 
much prefer soft keys.  Keeps the PBJ off the screen.

8.  A kit version, as much as feasible.


Ted, KN1CBR


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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM
To: Elecraft list 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

Inquiring minds want to know:
What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ?

Eric
elecraft.com




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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Jim Brown]

On 3/24/2019 6:54 PM, Jim Miller wrote:

I'm getting better at using voice as a result.


You've GOT to watch the most recent Bill Maher show (3/22/19) for his 
short take on this! As I recall, it was in his New Rules segment. 
Excerpts and complete shows can often be found on youtube.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Joan via Elecraft]

I don’t know about a future ‘K4’, but I do know that when Wayne [et al] put 
your minds to designing a ‘KX4’, you might ponder a high res (possibly colour) 
display which could be remapped at will in firmware updates and be capable of 
displaying a spectral waterfall and more than 7 characters of text copy (say, 
80 perhaps?  Like my QRPworks SideCar+ has, linked via RS232 to my KX2).  I 
imagine what my KX-line radio would be like were the functionality of the 
SideKar bundled into it (to wit the 80-char display and USB/2.4GHz querty kbd 
connectivity).  Oh, and a high res waterfall.

I do wish my KX2 had quadrature output at times; however, I am aware of the 
compromises which had to be made to shrink it down (such as pin diode switching 
instead of MOS FET switching, etc), and as a portable CW operator I don’t miss 
the fancy stuff as much as some might.  You were asking us to imagine the 
penultimate next Elecraft, however, so here were my two cents.  The design 
refinements and attention to subtle detail already present in my current 
elegantly crafted radio make me happy every time I use it.  Tnx ^_^

Excellent longform interview wid u two on Hamnation btw !  FB es tnx =  72 CUL 
etc  de KX2CW ..

~Joan 
“a Watt is a Lot” 

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet.
Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh.

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 17:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft  
> wrote:
> 
> Inquiring minds want to know: 
> What would you all like to see as a “K4” ? 
> 
> Eric
> elecraft.com
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[Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor

[Frederick Dwight]

  Several times over the last 5 years INRAD has offered 700 Hz filters 
for the k3/K3S.  For casual CW operation
something  like a BW of around 700 Hz is often just about ideal.  I equipped my 
K3S with this filter and do use it
from time to time. Something like a 400 Hz or 250 Hz filter is still required 
for very tough situations.  The DSP filtering
does such a good job with my 400 Hz or SSB filter, that I do not consider my 
700 Hz filter a necessity, although
some CW folks may still want to consider this.  Probably something like the 500 
Hz filter with the 3.1 shape factor
would be a good alternate solution, however you may still want a sharp filter 
for very tough situations.

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Jim Brown]

On 3/24/2019 4:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:

Have you found a good speaker for the K3?  If so, which one is it?


For any serious operating, I always use headphones. Speakers are for 
casual monitoring. If I were to recommend a speaker, it would be: 1)for 
one with very smooth frequency response between 400 Hz and 5 kHz; 2) 4 
ohm impedance; 3) a small diaphragm, and 4) high voltage sensitivity.


Contrary to popular misconceptions, wider range response is not a bad 
thing.Smooth response in the speech region is important. 4 ohm impedance 
means it will receive more power from the K3. A smaller diaphragm 
provides smoother off-axis frequency response, high voltage sensitivity 
means it will be louder. BUT -- #3 and #4 are conflicting design specs 
-- smaller diaphragms have lower voltage sensitivity.


I've used small hi-fi and pro loudspeakers and like the sound, but they 
burn too much space on my operating desk now that I have three video 
monitors (two P3s, and an extension of the computer's desktop). I 
replaced them with little black cubes a few inches that I bought as a 
box of 10 at a Chicago area hamfest about 15 years ago. They're plenty 
good enough for my needs. I also use them in the car for my 
dual-transceiver FM rig, strapped to the two posts on my headrest (two 
of them so that  I can tell which transceiver the audio is coming from).


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Bouvet

[Ken]

DXing has changed dramatically since the spotting networks arrived.  It 
used to be that people read the out of date QST DX column and tuned 
around the band.


Ken WA8JXM


On 3/23/19 10:17 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
The radio world has changed dramatically since DXCC was invented. I'm 
really glad I don't have to make/update the rules. 

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Gerry Hull]

Not discussed here is the fact that Elecraft is foremost a business.  A
first rule of business is don’t announce new products if you have current
products to sell.  Announcing a K4 while there are K3s to sell would kill
K3s sales.

That said, Elecraft would not remain in business if they were not
innovating and working on new products.

Loose lips sink ships.

I’m happy to wait for new product announcements when they come.

Bravo to all the Elecraft team for your quality in both product and
business strategy.

73,

Gerry W1VE

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 1:16 PM  wrote:

> Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning
> stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was
> announced. I was livid.. LOL
>
> so.. what say Elecraft?
>
> Ronnie W5SUM
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4?

[K9FD]

THe P3 is already a receiver,  all it needs is a board to bring the I/Q 
out to the world,

How about Elecraft making a board for that purpose?
Has been talked about before but have heard of nothing happening with 
the idea.
Im sure there are many willing to invest in a board and what ever else 
it takes,  it would
keep everything in the K3/P3 enclosures,  and eliminate all the hang on 
pieces that people

use now.

73 Merv K9FD

I'm easy. All I want is the I&Q stream available on the back of the 
radio as it is on the KX3 while keeping the IF output. That opens up a 
number of options that I now use work arounds for.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
From: "Dauer, Edward" 
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
Sent: 3/24/2019 10:12:48 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4?


    Wow; there's a tantalizing post.

I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my 
list:


1.  Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500.  Without it, I 
don't buy a K4.  Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod.


2.  Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / 
K3s.  Existing investments in shack design have been built around the 
current equipment.


3.  Built-in remoting.  Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles.

4.  Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any 
outboard computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason.


5.  Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to 
nearly K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of 
major design changes.


6.  One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- 
an internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer.


7.  On-board panadapter.  Touch-sensitive screen is not all that 
desirable.  I much prefer soft keys.  Keeps the PBJ off the screen.


8.  A kit version, as much as feasible.


Ted, KN1CBR


   _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

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Elecraft

    Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM
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    Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

    Inquiring minds want to know:
    What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ?

    Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4?

[Barry]

I'm easy. All I want is the I&Q stream available on the back of the 
radio as it is on the KX3 while keeping the IF output. That opens up a 
number of options that I now use work arounds for.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
From: "Dauer, Edward" 
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
Sent: 3/24/2019 10:12:48 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4?


Wow; there's a tantalizing post.

I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others.  Here's my list:

1.  Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500.  Without it, I don't buy 
a K4.  Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod.

2.  Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s.  
Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current 
equipment.

3.  Built-in remoting.  Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles.

4.  Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard 
computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason.

5.  Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly K3s, 
would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design changes.

6.  One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an 
internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer.

7.  On-board panadapter.  Touch-sensitive screen is not all that desirable.  I 
much prefer soft keys.  Keeps the PBJ off the screen.

8.  A kit version, as much as feasible.


Ted, KN1CBR


   _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM
To: Elecraft list 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

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What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ?

Eric
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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report

[kevinr]

Good Evening,

   Twenty meters sounded like wind driven snow crossing the prairie.  
Hissing with some whistling.  At least I couldn't feel the windchill.  
Previous to the net I scanned and scanned and scanned finding only two 
CW signals between 14000 and 14060 kHz. But I was able to work one 
station during the net: K6XK whose K3 is his only communication device 
still working.  Even though his town is still above water any wired 
connection is not.  But he sounded happy exercising his Elecraft linear.


   Forty meters was better but it had QSB with a few thunderstorms.  I 
was finally able to hear from Ken in North Dakota.  A slow snow melt 
would be best for him.  It's going to take quite some time for any 
fields to get planted on the Northern Plains.



  On 14050 kHz at 2200z:

K6XK - Roy - IA


  On 7047.5 kHz at z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

W6JHB - Jim - CA

WM5F - Dwight - ID

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W0CZ - Ken - ND


One of these days signal conditions will improve.  It will not change 
rapidly though.  But we do have a K4 to design and only have a few more 
years left to get it out the door :)


   73,

  Kevin.  KD5ONS   List member circa 2000.


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[Elecraft] Will there be a K4?

[Dauer, Edward]

Wow; there's a tantalizing post.

I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others.  Here's my list:

1.  Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500.  Without it, I don't buy 
a K4.  Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod.

2.  Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s.  
Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current 
equipment.

3.  Built-in remoting.  Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles.

4.  Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard 
computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason.

5.  Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly K3s, 
would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design changes.

6.  One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an 
internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer.

7.  On-board panadapter.  Touch-sensitive screen is not all that desirable.  I 
much prefer soft keys.  Keeps the PBJ off the screen.

8.  A kit version, as much as feasible.


Ted, KN1CBR


   _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 

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To: Elecraft list 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

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What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? 

Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Macy monkeys]

So much for tongue in cheek humor... ;)

John K7FD

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 6:52 PM, W2xj  wrote:
> 
> Old news. They have existed for a while. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z)  wrote:
>> 
>> I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs...  Imagine one in your 
>> moving car...
>> 
>> 73s and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
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>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL OOC for Oregon
>> 
>>> On 3/24/19 5:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>>> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come 
>>> on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at 
>>> this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition.
>>> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were 
>>> breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning 
>>> up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy 
>>> hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch 
>>> screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch 
>>> screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but 
>>> nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is 
>>> tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, 
>>> and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the 
>>> usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their 
>>> device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits 
>>> there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. 
>>> Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at 
>>> Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch scre
 e
> n on an otherwise perfectly good radio.
>>> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't gonna 
>>> do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Jim Miller]

Not in love with the one in my 2018 Camry. Very difficult to use while
driving.

I'm getting better at using voice as a result.

jim ab3cv


On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 9:52 PM W2xj  wrote:

> Old news. They have existed for a while.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z)  wrote:
> >
> > I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs...  Imagine one in your
> moving car...
> >
> > 73s and thanks,
> > Dave (NK7Z)
> > https://www.nk7z.net
> > ARRL Technical Specialist
> > ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> > ARRL OOC for Oregon
> >
> >> On 3/24/19 5:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> >> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to
> come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning
> around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition.
> >> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he
> were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal
> tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant
> clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's
> touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch
> screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but
> nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is
> tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours,
> and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the
> usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their
> device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits
> there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins.
> Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at
> Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch scree
>  n on an otherwise perfectly good radio.
> >> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't
> gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice.
> >> Thank you,
> >> Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[W2xj]

Old news. They have existed for a while. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z)  wrote:
> 
> I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs...  Imagine one in your 
> moving car...
> 
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL OOC for Oregon
> 
>> On 3/24/19 5:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come 
>> on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at 
>> this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition.
>> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were 
>> breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning 
>> up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy hands. 
>> He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch screen. He 
>> taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch screen. Please 
>> recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard 
>> them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, 
>> time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, and still the dim-witted 
>> screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the usual finger gymnastics that 
>> people do when they're trying to make their device understand that they in 
>> fact want it to do something. The radio sits there stupidly, the DX stops 
>> calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, 
>> wondering why those &#^+! engineers at Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch 
>> scree
 n on an otherwise perfectly good radio.
>> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't gonna 
>> do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice.
>> Thank you,
>> Al  W6LX
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[Elecraft] K4?

[Bob Schumacher via Elecraft]

At Pacificon 2017 eighteen months ago, I pressed one of the Elecraft sales 
people very hard about a K4 introduction. He admitted that they are working on 
the K4, but would not say anything about timing or content/performance. 

Remember that Elecraft worked on the KPA1500 for 10+ years before it was 
introduced. It could easily be 5 years before we see a K4. 

In the meantime, the K3s line is still by far the best amateur radio system in 
the world from the perspective of combined performance, flexibility, and value. 
Why would you want a K4? For the eye candy and convenience of a big, full 
color, touch screen display? So that you can feel good about having an 
RF-sampled SDR that provides little to no improvement in real world, useable, 
performance? 
So you can brag about "Pure Signal" distortion compensated transmission? 
Because you want access to the receiver I and Q channels?

I am tired of discussing a potential K4. If you need the best new station at 
the best value, buy a K3s line. I made that decision 12 months ago. 
I find it hard to lust after any other equipment now. 


W9DBR






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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Dave Cole (NK7Z)]

I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs...  Imagine one in your 
moving car...


73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL OOC for Oregon

On 3/24/19 5:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote:

Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come on 
the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at this 
moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition.

He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were 
breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning up, and 
then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy hands. He reaches to 
tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch screen. He taps again. The screen 
does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch screen. Please recognize my finger... please! 
Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and 
while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four 
hours, and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the 
usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their device 
understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits there 
stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus sits 
there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at Elecraft decided to 
put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good radio.

For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't gonna do 
it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice.

Thank you,

Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Dave Cole (NK7Z)]

I have a pair of those...  Think I'll drag them out!  Thanks!

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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On 3/24/19 5:16 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Dave,

Shortly after I got the K3 and well before the SP3 was introduced, I 
found a pair of Radio Shack Minimus speakers in black which have worked 
well with my K3.  I picked them up at a 2nd hand store for $5, so keep 
your eyes open for small, efficient, unpowered "Hi-Fi" speakers at a 
bargain price.  Pawn shops and 2nd hand stores often have things of that 
nature.
Or use a pair of the SP3 speakers for a complete and matching K-Line 
station.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/24/2019 7:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:

Jim,
Have you found a good speaker for the K3?  If so, which one is it?


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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Dave Cole (NK7Z)]

I should have seen that coming...  :)

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On 3/24/19 5:10 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:

SP3 :-)

Eric
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Sent from my iPhone 6S

On Mar 24, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) > wrote:



Jim,
Have you found a good speaker for the K3?  If so, which one is it?

73s and thanks,
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[Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft]

Hmm..

This is amazingly a very similar question once asked as to what we would like 
to see in a legal limit Elecraft amplifier

And then suddenly, there was a KPA-1500!

We'll all stay tuned!

'73 de JIM N2ZZ

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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[kevinr]

I like using a soldering iron and an assembler for my user interface.  
They allow me to do low level coding :)


   Kevin.  KD5ONS

-

On 3/24/19 5:55 PM, Michael Walker wrote:

I have used all sort of user interfaces.

Knobs, mouse, keyboard, touch screens.  They all work and do what they need
to do.

That being said, it comes down to what works for you.

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:52 PM W2xj  wrote:


I’ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience is not what you
describe. Actually it is very much the opposite. Mechanical switches are
the least reliable.

Sent from my iPad


On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Al Lorona  wrote:

Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to

come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning
around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition.

He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he

were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal
tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant
clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's
touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch
screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but
nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is
tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours,
and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the
usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their
device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits
there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins.
Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at
Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good
radio.

For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't

gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice.

Thank you,

Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[kevinr]

Hi Eric,

   I think one feature would be a built in single board computer.  One 
with enough horse power to run a Linux OS.  It needs a 1000 baseT 
connection to the outside world so it can act as another server on your 
home network.  The advantage being you could write all the necessary 
drivers from the radio to the network in house.  Then let independent 
developers write code which links between their code on the K4 and their 
code on your desktop.


Since there are ever more digital modes Elecraft can be on the forefront 
by offering high level APIs for external development. Offloading some of 
the work from Elecraft's standard mix of MCUs would allow you more 
freedom to solve more problems.


   Just a random thought while cooking,

  73,  Kevin.  KD5ONS

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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Michael Walker]

I have used all sort of user interfaces.

Knobs, mouse, keyboard, touch screens.  They all work and do what they need
to do.

That being said, it comes down to what works for you.

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:52 PM W2xj  wrote:

> I’ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience is not what you
> describe. Actually it is very much the opposite. Mechanical switches are
> the least reliable.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Al Lorona  wrote:
> >
> > Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to
> come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning
> around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition.
> >
> > He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he
> were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal
> tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant
> clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's
> touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch
> screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but
> nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is
> tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours,
> and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the
> usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their
> device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits
> there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins.
> Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at
> Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good
> radio.
> >
> > For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't
> gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[W2xj]

I’ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience is not what you 
describe. Actually it is very much the opposite. Mechanical switches are the 
least reliable. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Al Lorona  wrote:
> 
> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come on 
> the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at this 
> moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition.
> 
> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were 
> breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning 
> up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy hands. 
> He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch screen. He 
> taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch screen. Please 
> recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard 
> them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, 
> time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, and still the dim-witted 
> screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the usual finger gymnastics that 
> people do when they're trying to make their device understand that they in 
> fact want it to do something. The radio sits there stupidly, the DX stops 
> calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, 
> wondering why those &#^+! engineers at Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch 
> screen on an otherwise perfectly good radio.
> 
> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't gonna do 
> it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[HB]

160 – 440 would be awesome!  Satellite work in one box.

An all mode 2m, 220, 440, 23cm rig would also be nice – 100 watts.

Hank
K4HYJ

From: Bill Johnson
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:30 PM
To: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft; Elecraft list
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

All band 160-440+ 6"x9x4" with built in tuner and portable internal supply 
@25-30 watts out?!  I'll take two!  Oh and your software and controls.  I am 
sure you and wayne can do it!

73,

Bill
K9YEQ

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

Inquiring minds want to know: 
What would you all like to see as a “K4” ? 

Eric
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[Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 updated or K3S Question

[Terry Brown]

For the folks that have both a KX3 and KXPA100 and either a K3 updated or K3S,  
for CW operation,  what have you found from a technical point of view are the 
advantages of the K3 or K3S over the KX3?

I have almost bought an updated K3 several times, but as a CW operator I am not 
sure I can justify it.  

I also have the PX3 and love it and so I’d need a P3 as well. 

Would be nice to have 100 Watts in one box, but I also own a KX2 for QRP and 
use the KX3 line as my base station. 

The thing that might swing things is if the K3/K3s was technically a lot better 
for CW. I can’t convince myself that it is. 

Any Thoughts?

Thanks

73,

Terry
N7TB

 
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Don Wilhelm]

Peter,

If you want I/Q output, look at LP-Pan2 (www.telepostinc.com).
It takes the K3S IF output and converts it to I/Q outputs which may be 
processed by your soundcard.


Actually, I like the P3 display and integration better than that provide 
by the software applications that use I/Q outputs, but your software 
applications that you anticipate can provide a variety of displays from 
the I/Q outputs as well as demodulation of the received signal stream if 
that is what appeals to you.


73,
Don W3FPR


On 3/24/2019 7:42 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:

Honestly, I'm happy with my K3s, but--and I've said this many times
before--I would gladly pay a premium for an I/Q out add-on board. Honestly,
that's the one "modern" feature this top-shelf radio is missing as far as
I'm concerned.

  - pjd

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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:39 PM
To: Michael Walker 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

Cardinal rule of business:  New products, new products, new products.

John
WA1EAZ


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[Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Al Lorona]

Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come on 
the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at this 
moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition.

He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were 
breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning up, 
and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy hands. He 
reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch screen. He taps 
again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch screen. Please recognize 
my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard them yet, so 
Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, time slows down, 
four seconds feel like four hours, and still the dim-witted screen does nothing 
as Thaddeus begins all the usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're 
trying to make their device understand that they in fact want it to do 
something. The radio sits there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the 
pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! 
engineers at Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise 
perfectly good radio.

For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't gonna do 
it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice.

Thank you,

Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Bill Frantz]

I would like to see radical modularity. Having more than two 
receivers would allow diversity receive while monitoring other 
frequency(s). Separating the tuner from the radio would allow 
locating the tuner close to the antenna. Multiple tuners might 
be needed for widely separated antennas. Being able to select 
from multiple antennas to select the two diversity antennas and 
a possible third transmit antenna would be useful.


One module that would be very useful would be a 
user-programmable command multiplexer which would allow users to 
develop their own control algorithms for the radio while also 
allowing several other RS-232 programs to control the radio.


I've already posted about improvements in the P3 UI.

I would love to sit around and brainstorm with others on this question.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/24/19 at 5:14 PM, e...@elecraft.com (Eric Swartz  WA6HHQ - 
Elecraft) wrote:


Inquiring minds want to know: What would you all like to see as 
a “K4” ?

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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Phil Kane]

On 3/24/2019 7:14 AM, W2xj wrote:

> Nor do I but I think this group is excessively over moderated.

If you think that, I can refer you to a hobby group about applying
technology to railfanning where simple requests for set-up assistance
(usually by a newbie) usually get a moderator's response "read the wiki"
rather than a "how to do it".

Nothing personal and sorry for the OT but I had t say it..

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Bill Johnson]

All band 160-440+ 6"x9x4" with built in tuner and portable internal supply 
@25-30 watts out?!  I'll take two!  Oh and your software and controls.  I am 
sure you and wayne can do it!

73,

Bill
K9YEQ

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Inquiring minds want to know: 
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Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Phil Kane]

On 3/24/2019 5:05 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> Consider giving it/them to a new, hopefully young, ham with the
> condition that when he/she is done with it, she/he finds a new,
> hopefully young, ham to give it to.  Give it with a log, each recipient
> enters their data, emails you, and passes it on with the log when
> they're done with it.  I've done this with three pieces of ham gear I no
> longer needed now, the longest trail so far is 4, all under 35.  Five
> have contacted the Really Old Fart for guidance and advice for sources
> of good information.

Isn't this what good hamming is all about ??--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
(Same call since June 1952)

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Don Wilhelm]

Dave,

Shortly after I got the K3 and well before the SP3 was introduced, I 
found a pair of Radio Shack Minimus speakers in black which have worked 
well with my K3.  I picked them up at a 2nd hand store for $5, so keep 
your eyes open for small, efficient, unpowered "Hi-Fi" speakers at a 
bargain price.  Pawn shops and 2nd hand stores often have things of that 
nature.
Or use a pair of the SP3 speakers for a complete and matching K-Line 
station.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/24/2019 7:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:

Jim,
Have you found a good speaker for the K3?  If so, which one is it?


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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

Inquiring minds want to know: 
What would you all like to see as a “K4” ? 

Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Kevin der Kinderen]

It might not be fair for me to comment. I'm a KX3 user and it is used out
in the field. That's mostly because there's no better full-featured,
portable rig on the market. KX2, some compromises that some are willing to
accept. The KX3 is king on the picnic table. On the other hand, I've had no
real interest in the K3/K3s and a next generation K would need to be
something very special indeed before I could consider it.

I have tons of respect for Elecraft and what they do for amateur radio.I
think they are the most responsive, least arrogant, real hams manufacturing
and selling a great line of equipment. I wish the gear I use in the shack
was manufactured by them. The world would be perfect.

73,
Kev K4VD



On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 7:42 PM Jim Brown  wrote:

> Exactly right, and I have as much respect for Wayne and Eric for their
> well developed business and marketing judgment as for their great
> engineering. I started reading this reflector when I bought a loaded
> used K2 in 2003 (I was running my own small biz in those days, and
> didn't have time to build one), and so far, I've never seen them make a
> bad call!
>
> Elecraft is only about 25 miles from me, so many of their employees are
> neighbors. For solid biz reasons, they are tight-lipped, and I've never
> even tried to discuss anything with them that wasn't publicly announced.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On 3/24/2019 4:28 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
> > It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar.
> >
> > Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund
> development,
> > manufacturing and pay staff?
> >
> > Economics 101.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

SP3 :-)

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> On Mar 24, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z)  wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> Have you found a good speaker for the K3?  If so, which one is it?
> 
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Fred Jensen]

Consider giving it/them to a new, hopefully young, ham with the 
condition that when he/she is done with it, she/he finds a new, 
hopefully young, ham to give it to.  Give it with a log, each recipient 
enters their data, emails you, and passes it on with the log when 
they're done with it.  I've done this with three pieces of ham gear I no 
longer needed now, the longest trail so far is 4, all under 35.  Five 
have contacted the Really Old Fart for guidance and advice for sources 
of good information.


73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/24/2019 4:41 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

In a box is my father's Icom 7something
pro, returned from repair and calibration
and with 1 month use on it. I keep it for
sentiment, I've never used it. I should
let it go.

I have my old Corsair II which I still
love but it's not quiet enough now that
the K kine has spoiled me. I'll probably
give it to a new ham or sell it, I don't
need it any longer.




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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Jim Brown]

Exactly right, and I have as much respect for Wayne and Eric for their 
well developed business and marketing judgment as for their great 
engineering. I started reading this reflector when I bought a loaded 
used K2 in 2003 (I was running my own small biz in those days, and 
didn't have time to build one), and so far, I've never seen them make a 
bad call!


Elecraft is only about 25 miles from me, so many of their employees are 
neighbors. For solid biz reasons, they are tight-lipped, and I've never 
even tried to discuss anything with them that wasn't publicly announced.


73, Jim K9YC

On 3/24/2019 4:28 PM, Michael Walker wrote:

It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar.

Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund development,
manufacturing and pay staff?

Economics 101.



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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Peter Dougherty]

Honestly, I'm happy with my K3s, but--and I've said this many times
before--I would gladly pay a premium for an I/Q out add-on board. Honestly,
that's the one "modern" feature this top-shelf radio is missing as far as
I'm concerned.

 - pjd

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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:39 PM
To: Michael Walker 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Cardinal rule of business:  New products, new products, new products.

John
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Gary Smith]

I have K3 #202. It has all the upgrades 
possible to the K3 including the new PA, 
everything. It is covered on a shelf 
waiting for the day I need it if the K3s 
is being repaired. Same connections, a 3 
minute swap job, done.

I have my daily runner; K3s #10622 which 
has minus the 2M module, everything 
including the Sub RX, fully loaded with 
Elecraft bling. 

In a box is my father's Icom 7something 
pro, returned from repair and calibration 
and with 1 month use on it. I keep it for 
sentiment, I've never used it. I should 
let it go.

I have my old Corsair II which I still 
love but it's not quiet enough now that 
the K kine has spoiled me. I'll probably 
give it to a new ham or sell it, I don't 
need it any longer.

So I have come to love the Elecraft 
product line. I have decided if... there 
is a K4 and that is an upgrade to the K3s, 
I will get one and sell the K3. Sure I'll 
take a hit because the low SN# will scare 
some off but it'll sell at a fair price 
because it is perfect. That'll go toward 
the K4. If I took a good vacation that 
would set me back the cost of a new radio 
and I'd have nothing but smiles and photos 
to show for that multiple thousand dollar 
jaunt.

Put that Vacay money into a K4 and I'll 
have something to give me daily smiles and 
memories. Not much can beat that. So if 
there's an upgrade K4, I'm in. Promise.

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Dave Cole (NK7Z)]

Jim,
Have you found a good speaker for the K3?  If so, which one is it?

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL OOC for Oregon

On 3/24/19 1:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/24/2019 12:29 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:

My current K3 is to die for on CW...


AND on SSB, thanks to the built-in EQ for both transmit and receive, the 
excellent audio processing, the excellent receiver, including the range 
of roofing filters.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[John Stengrevics]

Cardinal rule of business:  New products, new products, new products.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Michael Walker  wrote:
> 
> Will there be a K4?
> 
> It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar.
> 
> Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund development,
> manufacturing and pay staff?
> 
> Economics 101.
> 
> Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Michael Walker]

Will there be a K4?

It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar.

Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund development,
manufacturing and pay staff?

Economics 101.

Mike va3mw
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[Elecraft] Radio Rules, DXCC, WAS, Operating, Then and Now

[William Levy]

Dear all,

The world has changed. When I was a kid with a simple RX and TX all I
wanted was what the grownups had which was a tower with a TH6 and a Collins
Amp.

There was not 5 band dxcc. 5 Band just contributed to more qrm on more
bands.
There are not 335 countries. If you want to know how many countries there
are look at the UN.

DXCC is a game we play against ourselves. We can get our 100 with a dipole
and 100 watts. Or we can build a 150 rotating tower and stack yagis and add
db's that way. There are no rules about how you get your dxcc and certainly
if you live in an apartment being able to remote is a godsend. Thank god
for lists and remotes and fabulous radios and solid state amps and the
internet.

Frankly I would make all dx countries that require dangerous expeditions
illegal. It is darn site quicker to call on our iPhones, text or email all
the countries in the world than to pretend that we have accomplished
something with radios.

The DXCC program is going the way of the Conestoga Wagons and Candle
Making. It's just a matter of time. If you don't believe me what does FT8
contest mode prove?

Sincerely, Bill N2WL
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[John_N1JM]

I'll second that, too.

John N1JM



wayne burdick wrote
>> it's over 25 lbs I'm not interested. Was never so happy as the day I sold
>> that 57 lb TS-990S.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Amen, brother. You’ll never see a home-brew rig weighing more than about
> 12 pounds in my shack. 
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[hbjr]

I monitored this group before I bought my K3s back in October.  I have learned 
how to make cables for various things, who makes good homebrew gear (and some 
guys that sell their own stuff for K3's and KX's), and even bought some used 
Elecraft gear hear.  

I'm not sure how to call out the wrong topics...I think we should all leave 
that to the moderators 😊

Hank
K4HYJ
  

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Behalf Of Doug Person
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 6:47 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

This group is more about sharing the experience of using Elecraft products, 
making suggestions for product improvements, offering other members advice on 
best operating techniques, and so much more.  Want a suggestion on which mic to 
use with your K3s? How to setup memories for cw ops? Use external software to 
operate your rig? The best type of PC to use or best approach to physically 
interface your rig to your PC? These are just a very small set of questions you 
might ask here.

This is an active community of devoted Elecraft users. But, it's also about ham 
radio. Any kind of serious support question should go directly to Elecraft's 
outstanding support staff via email.

Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 7:40 AM, Bill wrote:
> I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a 
> technical support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A 
> place to ask questions and learn about the operation and use of said 
> equipment.
>
> I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, 
> the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group 
> supporting the technical issues of owners/users.
>
> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to 
> be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no 
> interest?
>
> Bill W2BLC owner/user
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Michael Murphy]

I bought my K3 in December only to see the K3s come out at Dayton.  However
I did do the upgrade which still keeps my receive on par with a K3s (maybe
not totally on par but very close).

The state of the art is such that even if you buy a K3s today and a K4
comes out at Dayton, you still have a top of the line radio, unless there
is some ground breaking innovation with a K4.

Whatever you decide, remember that the next one will certainly cost more.

- Mike - KI8R

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 3:16 PM Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP 
wrote:

> Of course they can't say, since it would shut off sales for the K3S. I
> added new synthesizers to my K3, but didn't feel that the other stuff
> justified buying a new rig. But that is for everyone to decide for
> themselves.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
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> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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>
> On 24/03/2019 19:16, w5...@comcast.net wrote:
> > Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the
> > planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later
> > the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL
> >
> > so.. what say Elecraft?
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[w5sum]

I think I will take my finger off the trigger on that $6000 sale and wait until 
after June LOL

Ronnie W5SUM

From: Ed K1EP 
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 5:42 PM
To: w5...@comcast.net 
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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 13:16  wrote:

  Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning 
stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was 
announced. I was livid.. LOL


Please buy a K3S ASAP!!;-)

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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Doug Person]

This group is more about sharing the experience of using Elecraft 
products, making suggestions for product improvements, offering other 
members advice on best operating techniques, and so much more.  Want a 
suggestion on which mic to use with your K3s? How to setup memories for 
cw ops? Use external software to operate your rig? The best type of PC 
to use or best approach to physically interface your rig to your PC?  
These are just a very small set of questions you might ask here.


This is an active community of devoted Elecraft users. But, it's also 
about ham radio. Any kind of serious support question should go directly 
to Elecraft's outstanding support staff via email.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 7:40 AM, Bill wrote:
I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a 
technical support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A 
place to ask questions and learn about the operation and use of said 
equipment.


I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, 
the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group 
supporting the technical issues of owners/users.


Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to 
be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no 
interest?


Bill W2BLC owner/user

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Ed K1EP]

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 13:16  wrote:

> Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning
> stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was
> announced. I was livid.. LOL
>

Please buy a K3S ASAP!!;-)
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Doug Person]

My main radio is an IC-7610. Nice screen, spectrum display built in. 
Cost effective for what you get. However, I miss my K3. There some 
things that other radios just can't seem to do as well. Right now, my 
next radio purchase will be the K4 - when ever that is. I'm convinced it 
will happen. It is just a matter of time. The K3 is very dated. All the 
major manufacturers now all have 7" color touch screens and real-time 
spectrum displays. Performance has improved greatly all around. 
Something that has happened as a result of the K3 setting a high bar.


So - is the K4 in the planning stages? No one outside of Elecraft can 
answer that. But the odds are very high that it is. Elecraft has to 
compete and the competition has set a new bar. The K3s is only going to 
go so far while the market takes such a dramatic nee direction.


The K3s is not so different from the K3 and it was easy to upgrade the 
K3 to the full equivalent of the K3s. Any potential K4 is going to be 
very much like the K3s with the P3 integrated into a somewhat larger 
box. Being already at or near to the top of the performance list, a K4 
is going to be more about aesthetics than performance. With this in 
mind, a K3s and a P3 will do anything any potential K4 will do. So it 
can be a tough decision. Wait or don't wait. The K3s will not disappoint.


But, my special ham radio savings account is still growing as I wait 
patiently for the K4. I just hope it won't be too long. Eric... Can I 
put a deposit down now? (Just kidding...)


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 12:16 PM, w5...@comcast.net wrote:

Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning 
stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was 
announced. I was livid.. LOL

so.. what say Elecraft?

Ronnie W5SUM
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Firmware update trouble

[Dave Sublette]

Dick and list,

We have successfully updated the firmware for the DSP and the MCU.  The
problem occurred as we were trying to install with the KXPA100 in line.  I
removed it and connected the computer directly to the KX3 and all went
well.  Later, we were able to connect the KXPA100 and confirmed that the
KXPA100 has the latest firmware.

Thanks to Dick and all of you who monitor this list and contribute support.

73,

Dave, K4TO

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 5:10 PM Dave Sublette  wrote:

> We were doing a firmware update (my son and I). All went well until the
> KX3 became stuck in the MCU LD condition.  We followed the manual
> instructions (several times).
>
> The KX3 is still stuck and the computer cannot find the KX3 port.  The
> computer recognizes the cable, but communications fail with the KX3.
>
> We have rebooted the computer and restarted the KX3 utility without
> success.  The Kx3 utility is the latest.  We successfully downloaded it and
> installed before we started.
>
> What can we do next?
>
> Dave, K4TO
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Firmware update trouble

[Bob N3MNT]

Have you tried this.
If you accidentally load an old or incompatible
firmware version and find the KX3 unresponsive,
do the following: (1) Unplug the KX3 from the
power supply. If internal batteries are installed, also
remove one battery. (2) Plug a power supply in (or
reinstall the removed battery). (3) hold the KX3’s
BAND- and ATU TUNE together for about 10
seconds, after which you’ll see the TX LED flash
(you’ll also see MCU LD on the LCD). (4)
Connect the KX3 to a computer and run KX3
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Firmware update trouble

[Bob N3MNT]

Have you tried this.
If you accidentally load an old or incompatible
firmware version and find the KX3 unresponsive,
do the following: (1) Unplug the KX3 from the
power supply. If internal batteries are installed, also
remove one battery. (2) Plug a power supply in (or
reinstall the removed battery). (3) hold the KX3’s
BAND- and ATU TUNE together for about 10
seconds, after which you’ll see the TX LED flash
(you’ll also see MCU LD on the LCD). (4)
Connect the KX3 to a computer and run KX3
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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Walter Underwood]

The purpose is somewhat broader than technical support, though technical and 
operating information about Elecraft products is central.

From the signup page for the list:

"The ELECRAFT email list server (reflector) is provided to further the 
discussion of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for the 
discussion of both technical and operating topics including 
KX1/K1/K2/K3/KX3/P3/KPA500 features, construction and debugs problems, sharing 
your enthusiasm and impressions from using our products and more general ham 
radio related topics of interest to our customers. There is a tremendous amount 
of knowledge and information available via the searchable list archives and by 
posting your questions to the list.”

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wunder
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> On Mar 24, 2019, at 7:40 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical 
> support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask 
> questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment.
> 
> I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, the 
> rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group supporting 
> the technical issues of owners/users.
> 
> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be taken 
> up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?
> 
> Bill W2BLC owner/user
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Re: [Elecraft] Problem with new KAT500

[Cady, Fred]

Hi Dave,

Basically you shouldn't be running in Auto mode because if the tuner happens to 
calculate a "bad" swr it will try to retune even though it doesn't have to.

You should just train the tuner for your operating frequencies and then operate 
in Manual mode.

Here are a couple of pdf files that may help you understand a bit more how the 
amp and tuner work.

http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide


73,

Fred KE7X

For information on all KE7X Elecraft books and "The Successful Ham Radio 
Operator's Handbook", see www.ke7x.com.

PS: Lulu has a 15% discount on print books.  The code is LKAB317CD



From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on 
behalf of n...@n1ix.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:33 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Problem with new KAT500

I just received a new factory built KAT500 a few days ago.

I am using it with my K3 and KPA500 cabled with (2) E850463 Aux interface
cables as in Figure 1 on page 5 of the KAT500 manual.

I have recently updated the firmware on both the K3 and KPA500.



I am running about 250W on FT8. The K3 output is about 12W.



My problem is in "auto" mode. The tuner suddenly tries to tune, searching
for a solution when it doesn't require tuning. This is without any change in
frequency.

This causes the amplifier keying to be disabled. There are no fault
conditions on either the tuner or the amp.

This occurs on any of my antennas including a Steppir that has a 1.2 SWR
without the tuner.



Everything is fine in "manual" mode.



I have read and reread the manual and don't see anything that I am doing
incorrectly.



Any ideas would be appreciated.



73

Dave N1IX





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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Edward R Cole]

Someday!

But the K3s is still new to the marketplace and Eric and Wayne (aka 
Elecraft) are in a "for-profit" enterprise.  I suspect their business 
plan specifies a target number of sales to make a new product 
"successful".  Most likely that will be a few more years to arrive.


What could move-up that date would be emergence of competing products 
with more advanced features/specs.


My guess the K4 will arrive with substantial different design - and 
they are taking notes on the desires of the readership (no dummies, 
they are).  Obviously direct -conversion is one, when A/D technology 
advances enough (and is fiscally reasonable) to do well.  I'd say we 
are there, now (KX3 and KX2).


Since I am involved in one of the most technical demanding aspect of 
Ham radio (eme), folks should look at the advancements being done on eme.


Latest arrival is the UADC4 designed-for-ham radio four audio port 
A/D convertor using USB computer interface.  A perfect unit for 
interface with SDR's.  KX3 provides IQ that would use two 
ports.  This A/D has superior dynamic range and low noise floor when 
compared to soundcards.  Eme'rs will proof this new technology and I 
expect it will begin to be adopted outside eme.  Recent explosion of 
FT8 is an example.


I bought my K3 in 2010 after thoroughly comparing the field.  Phase 
coherent dual receivers were the significant goal.  I pair them with 
two LP-Pan run from a single LO into a Delta44 soundcard (which will 
be replaced by the UADC4).  I updated the Synth boards when they 
became available and modified the Gen Coverage BP filter to accept 
630m.  Did not need the new K3s USB I/F as line-in audio and 
USB/RS232 conversion cables working fine.  Some of the other 
improvements not used in my particular applications.


Who knows if the K4 will encourage me to upgrade?

73, Ed - KL7UW
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[Elecraft] KX3 Firmware update trouble

[Dave Sublette]

We were doing a firmware update (my son and I). All went well until the KX3
became stuck in the MCU LD condition.  We followed the manual instructions
(several times).

The KX3 is still stuck and the computer cannot find the KX3 port.  The
computer recognizes the cable, but communications fail with the KX3.

We have rebooted the computer and restarted the KX3 utility without
success.  The Kx3 utility is the latest.  We successfully downloaded it and
installed before we started.

What can we do next?

Dave, K4TO
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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[W2xj]

Digests are decades out of date. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
>> On 3/24/2019 8:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:
>> A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works
>> fine.
> 
> It does if you get individual emails, but not if you get a digest, which is 
> why I don't use the digest mode.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor

[Nr4c]

Note that some of those filters are no longer available and new ones replace 
them. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Mar 24, 2019, at 4:37 PM, ab2cj  wrote:
> 
> All:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded to my question regarding crystal filter 
> shape factors for the K3S. The plots shown on the Elecraft website are a bit 
> fuzzy for my eyes, but I did find the list shown below from a post in 2008.
> 
> I'm assuming the shape factors are the same for the current batch of filters?
> 
> Tony
> 
> Filter  BW(-6dB) Shape Factor
> 200 224 4.0
> 250 370 2.1
> 400 435 2.1
> 500 565 3.1
> 10001063 1.6
> 18001913 1.5
> 27002910 2.9
> 28002888 1.6
> 60006125 1.5
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] From a new guy

[Bill Johnson]

Agreed. I have limited time in hobby compared... 59 years!!  Best amp out there 
in my opinion after tons of research before making the jump.  Proof... you get 
what you pay for.  Love the extra gain over the KPA500 in these Sun cycle times.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 3:43 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] From a new guy

Well I just took delivery on my first Elecraft, a KPA1500 and I have to say 
after 60 years in the hobby it is the slickest thing since sliced bread!.
The KPA1500 Remote display is fantasticOK now that that is said here is the 
other shoe falling. I have been a LONG time member of the ARRL and lots of 
times they do REALLY stupid things. Point in case BS7H "Scaffold Reef".
One other poster suggested writing the DXAC, well great idea, except the DXAC 
turned down (as they should have) Sacaffold Reef. However, in their infinite 
wisdom (or lack of it) the ARRL Board overruled the DXAC causing several long 
time DXAC members to resign. You would have thought they would have learned 
after the JA stilt operation years ago that was initially OK and then deleted. 
Maybe the folks at the League will learn, but I doubt it.
My two cents.  And I love the KPA1500!👍😀
Neil   N4FN
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[Elecraft] From a new guy

[Neil Foster]

Well I just took delivery on my first Elecraft, a KPA1500 and I have to say
after 60 years in the hobby it is the slickest thing since sliced bread!.
The KPA1500 Remote display is fantasticOK now that that is said here is
the other shoe falling. I have been a LONG time member of the ARRL and lots
of times they do REALLY stupid things. Point in case BS7H "Scaffold Reef".
One other poster suggested writing the DXAC, well great idea, except the
DXAC turned down (as they should have) Sacaffold Reef. However, in their
infinite wisdom (or lack of it) the ARRL Board overruled the DXAC causing
several long time DXAC members to resign. You would have thought they would
have learned after the JA stilt operation years ago that was initially OK
and then deleted. Maybe the folks at the League will learn, but I doubt it.
My two cents.  And I love the KPA1500!👍😀
Neil   N4FN
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Jim Brown]

On 3/24/2019 11:13 AM, Alan Corbeth wrote:

I really want to join the Elecraft Family, but the K3 is aging and I feel a 
major upgrade must be on the table.  Icom, Flex, and now Yaesu have recently 
introduced new high tech models.


Gee -- the two K3s I bought in 2008 were updated about 3 years ago by 
the substitution of several modules designed for the K3S. They are 
plug-in compatible in the radios I paid $3K for, the upgrade cost me 
about $600, and the radios blow away anything from Icom, Yaesu, or 
Kenwood. And if you want to upgrade those radios you have to buy a new one.


There's nothing "low tech" about Elecraft rigs, nor "high tech" about 
the expensive rigs (or SDR rigs) from other mfrs. Except for the top 
line Flex rigs, it's nothing more than needing to have the latest, 
flashiest model in the driveway. Indeed, the only competing rig that's 
anywhere near being in the same class as a K3 is the Flex 6700, and it's 
been recognized by both serious contesters and solid engineers as a very 
good radio.


My advice -- if you want a K3, buy one of the used ones that come up 
from time to time on this reflector. They usually sell at half the cost 
of a new K3S, still blow away the competition, and can be upgraded to 
90% of a K3S for under $800.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor

[ab2cj]

All:

Thanks to everyone who responded to my question regarding crystal filter 
shape factors for the K3S. The plots shown on the Elecraft website are a 
bit fuzzy for my eyes, but I did find the list shown below from a post 
in 2008.


I'm assuming the shape factors are the same for the current batch of 
filters?


Tony

Filter  BW(-6dB) Shape Factor
 200 224 4.0
 250 370 2.1
 400 435 2.1
 500 565 3.1
10001063 1.6
18001913 1.5
27002910 2.9
28002888 1.6
60006125 1.5



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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Jim Brown]

On 3/24/2019 12:29 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:

My current K3 is to die for on CW...


AND on SSB, thanks to the built-in EQ for both transmit and receive, the 
excellent audio processing, the excellent receiver, including the range 
of roofing filters.


73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] FS: KX2 Loaded

[Tom Parish]

I recently upgraded my rig so it’s best I let this wonderfully engineered
device go for economic reasons.


Selling the entire package.


KX2 80-10 M SSB/CW/DATA Transceiver

MH3 (mic)

KXAT2 (Antenna (Tuner)

KXBT2 (Lithium Battery)

KXBT2 (Lithium Battery) 2nd spare

KXBC2 (Lithium Battery Charger)

KXIO1 (Real Time Clock)
KXPD2_Precision Keyer Paddle


ES60 Compact Padded Carrying Case (Larger)


KXAT2 Internal, Wide-Range 20-W Antenna Tuner

USB cable and various cable connectors


I am the original owner. The radio has been in a  smoke free environment
and is in very good condition.


$1050 shipped with insurance - CONUS only.


Email me directly tom.par...@gmail.com will send pics or video.


Tom KB5RF

Austin TX 78704

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Inspire Curiosity Together
TomParish.com
512-
497-5046
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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

POPfile does an admirable job of sorting.  This message went directly to 
my OT folder, the "will there be a K4" thread is in the QRO folder, etc.


I do not have to build filters or know why it puts a message in a 
folder, I just have to classify a couple of examples to start, then 
reclassify a few mistakes from time to time.


73 -- Lynn

On 3/24/2019 12:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/24/2019 8:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:
A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key 
works

fine.


It does if you get individual emails, but not if you get a digest, which 
is why I don't use the digest mode.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[David Olean]

Some people go through radios like eating popcorn. I am sort of the 
opposite animal.  I too bought a K3 about three weeks before the K3S was 
announced. I suspected something was going on when I discovered that 
there was a new synthesizer in my new K3. I was not too upset at all. 
Anyway, I now have three K3 radios and view them as being all of my 
"children". I can't bring myself to sell any of them even though I don't 
need multiple rigs anymore. (We had a multi-multi station and I have 
about 6 or 7 Bird 43 meters as well!) Each K3 is outfitted for different 
situations. One is a bare bones 10 watt version that is great for 
portable operating.


I will see what happens in the future, but for now, I am pretty darn 
happy with receiver performance today.  Ham radio is a hobby, not a 
business. I don't have to maximize profits to satisfy investors.  If I 
am not using it, I put it on a shelf. I have been stung so many times in 
the past by selling off items that I thought I did not need.


Dave K1WHS

On 3/24/2019 7:35 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
Eric spoke at our club last month. I asked him about any upcoming 
announcements and he just smiled and remained silent.


I greatly appreciate the fact that Elecraft works hard to make the 
newest and greatest retrofittable to the older radios. I have upgraded 
everything in my K3 to the K3S level except the tuning knob.


The fora most likely for a new announcements are Dayton and Visalia. 
If you wait until after Dayton, that's the best chance of not being 
surprised while unpacking your new K3S.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/24/19 at 10:16 AM, w5...@comcast.net wrote:

Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the 
planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later 
the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL


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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Wayne Burdick]

> it's over 25 lbs I'm not interested. Was never so happy as the day I sold 
> that 57 lb TS-990S.

Amen, brother. You’ll never see a home-brew rig weighing more than about 12 
pounds in my shack. 

Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Jim Brown]

On 3/24/2019 8:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:

A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works
fine.


It does if you get individual emails, but not if you get a digest, which 
is why I don't use the digest mode.


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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Mike Flowers]

I bought my K-Line K3-P3-KAT500-KPA500 used and it’s met all my DXing needs, 
and I’ve not missed any ATNOs if I was around to work them.  Upgraded the Synth 
cards and had the gold pins installed and that’s it.  It’s been the best rig 
I’ve ever owned. 

I flirted with the idea of a K3s, but just couldn’t cost justify the added 
expense. 

The Wizards of Watsonville always seem to have something up their sleeves and 
it will be interesting to see what’s next. 

If the new offering is a greater performance improvement than the K3s, I might 
be tempted. 

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z)  wrote:
> 
> Now that I have owned a K3 for a few years, I have what the new folks don't 
> have, K3 experience...
> 
> Here is my take on this, now that I have some experience under my belt...
> 
> How much better can Elecraft make a K4, as compared to a K3?
> 
> I am already atmospheric noise limited, so sensitivity is not the issue with 
> my K3.
> 
> My current K3 reacts well to close by hams...
> 
> My current K3 allows computer control...
> 
> My current K3 allows remote control...
> 
> My current K3 seems to fit all of my needs...
> 
> My current K3 is to die for on CW...
> 
> Sure I could use more dynamic range, but honestly, that is not really 
> limiting my QSO or DX count...  So really, all I might see is a new display, 
> maybe some color, maybe a few more features, perhaps some better filtering...
> 
> What would really chap my ass would be for Elecraft to come up with a K4, and 
> fork the software, and upgrade paths.  That would pretty well end all 
> development on the K3 after some till defined ime frame, not yet stated...  
> If Elecraft comes up with a K4, and it is just a prettier version of a K3, 
> with maybe a few new additional features, but Elecraft does not fork the 
> product line, and/or software, I would be happy with my current radio.
> 
> The K3 really does perform so much better than anything I have ever used I 
> don't imagine there is a lot that could be done to make it so much better as 
> to make me want a K4.  I doubt any prospective K4 would up my DXCC count, or 
> make -50 FT8 signals suddenly decode.
> 
> I am also 66, so my current, or next radio will be probably my last... I 
> really don't want to get on the Flex bandwagon, of paying tons for a 
> radio/science experiment, only to have it sell of 40% of new, three years 
> later...  I am happy with the K3 for now...  If a K4 comes out, maybe, but if 
> I did not have a K3, I and knowing what I know after owning one for years, I 
> would be pretty ticked at myself for waiting a year for a K4, even if it came 
> out...
> 
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL OOC for Oregon
> 
>> On 3/24/19 11:38 AM, Chip Stratton wrote:
>> Seems like you need to decide what you want to do with a radio, which radio
>> will do best for what you have to spend, and get that radio. Why wait
>> around for something that might or might not be in the future and may or
>> may not fit your needs better in some incremental way? You will never know
>> if a K4 is coming until Elecraft actually announces it.
>> Chip
>> AE5KA
>>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM levandowski  wrote:
>>> I've been a dedicated Elecrafter for well over a decade.  I've built and
>>> owned all the radios - sometimes more than once - plus the KXPA100, and
>>> many other products.  Wayne should look at my purchase history records.
>>> 
>>> But I reached the point where I got tired of orange screens so I sold
>>> everything and bought a Kenwood TS-590SG where the screen color went from
>>> yellow through orange to green.  It was a very capable radio and sounded
>>> very nice.  But I still wasn't satisfied.
>>> 
>>> So I traded it in on a TS-890S five months ago.  Now that's a beautiful,
>>> capable, colorful and HEAVY radio.
>>> 
>>> But there's just something about Elecraft..so I sold it last week, put
>>> the money back in the bank and now I'm operating a little Hilltopper as my
>>> only radio while I take a deep breath and figure out which of the Elecraft
>>> radios that I previously owned and stupidly sold, I'll re-purchase.
>>> 
>>> I'm holding out hope for a new, colorful offering in the May time frame
>>> but if not, it's probably going to be either another KX3 or a KX2 again.
>>> Barefoot.
>>> 
>>> I guess I had to take the whole trip until I could figure out where I
>>> wanted to settle down
>>> 
>>> 73, Stan WB2LQF
>>> 
>>> 
 On March 24, 2019 at 1:35 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX 
>>> wrote:
 
 
 Purchase what you want today. Tomorrow may never come.   If you wait
>>> until tomorrow you'll never have a new radio.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Possible P3 UI Improvements

[Bill Frantz]

Thanks to both Victor, 4X6GP and Dave, NK7Z for their macros 
which try to overcome the limits of the P3 UI. Indeed, fixing 
the UI problems of the P3 would make an interesting Raspberry Pi project.


My major interest in posting my suggestions was to improve the 
base P3 UI to make it more competitive in the marketplace.


73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] Problem with new KAT500

[KE8G]

Hi Dave,
Yes, you would think that auto mode is probably the best to be in, but it's
not.  Once you have the tuner "trained" for the operating frequencies, put
it in manual mode and leave it there.

That's what I did and continue to do, and I've had the KAT500/KPA500 combo
for quite a few years.

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 3:34 PM  wrote:

> I just received a new factory built KAT500 a few days ago.
>
> I am using it with my K3 and KPA500 cabled with (2) E850463 Aux interface
> cables as in Figure 1 on page 5 of the KAT500 manual.
>
> I have recently updated the firmware on both the K3 and KPA500.
>
>
>
> I am running about 250W on FT8. The K3 output is about 12W.
>
>
>
> My problem is in "auto" mode. The tuner suddenly tries to tune, searching
> for a solution when it doesn't require tuning. This is without any change
> in
> frequency.
>
> This causes the amplifier keying to be disabled. There are no fault
> conditions on either the tuner or the amp.
>
> This occurs on any of my antennas including a Steppir that has a 1.2 SWR
> without the tuner.
>
>
>
> Everything is fine in "manual" mode.
>
>
>
> I have read and reread the manual and don't see anything that I am doing
> incorrectly.
>
>
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> 73
>
> Dave N1IX
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

The purpose of this group is what the moderator says it is.

On 3/24/2019 5:40 AM, Bill wrote:
I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical 
support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask 
questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment.


I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, 
the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group 
supporting the technical issues of owners/users.


Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be 
taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?


Bill W2BLC owner/user

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Macy monkeys]

Do you think the 'K4' will have a touch display? Seems to be all the rage 
nowadays. Yaesu's 3D display looks intriguing. Whatever the K4 turns out to be, 
if it's over 25 lbs I'm not interested. Was never so happy as the day I sold 
that 57 lb TS-990S.

John K7FD

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 12:16 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP  
> wrote:
> 
> Of course they can't say, since it would shut off sales for the K3S. I added 
> new synthesizers to my K3, but didn't feel that the other stuff justified 
> buying a new rig. But that is for everyone to decide for themselves.
> 
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> 
> 
>> On 24/03/2019 19:16, w5...@comcast.net wrote:
>> Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the
>> planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later
>> the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL
>> so.. what say Elecraft?
>> Ronnie W5SUM
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Bill Frantz]

Eric spoke at our club last month. I asked him about any 
upcoming announcements and he just smiled and remained silent.


I greatly appreciate the fact that Elecraft works hard to make 
the newest and greatest retrofittable to the older radios. I 
have upgraded everything in my K3 to the K3S level except the 
tuning knob.


The fora most likely for a new announcements are Dayton and 
Visalia. If you wait until after Dayton, that's the best chance 
of not being surprised while unpacking your new K3S.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/24/19 at 10:16 AM, w5...@comcast.net wrote:

Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in 
the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just 
days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL


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[Elecraft] Problem with new KAT500

[n1ix]

I just received a new factory built KAT500 a few days ago. 

I am using it with my K3 and KPA500 cabled with (2) E850463 Aux interface
cables as in Figure 1 on page 5 of the KAT500 manual.

I have recently updated the firmware on both the K3 and KPA500.

 

I am running about 250W on FT8. The K3 output is about 12W.

 

My problem is in "auto" mode. The tuner suddenly tries to tune, searching
for a solution when it doesn't require tuning. This is without any change in
frequency.

This causes the amplifier keying to be disabled. There are no fault
conditions on either the tuner or the amp.

This occurs on any of my antennas including a Steppir that has a 1.2 SWR
without the tuner.

 

Everything is fine in "manual" mode. 

 

I have read and reread the manual and don't see anything that I am doing
incorrectly. 

 

Any ideas would be appreciated. 

 

73

Dave N1IX

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Dave Cole (NK7Z)]

Now that I have owned a K3 for a few years, I have what the new folks 
don't have, K3 experience...


Here is my take on this, now that I have some experience under my belt...

How much better can Elecraft make a K4, as compared to a K3?

I am already atmospheric noise limited, so sensitivity is not the issue 
with my K3.


My current K3 reacts well to close by hams...

My current K3 allows computer control...

My current K3 allows remote control...

My current K3 seems to fit all of my needs...

My current K3 is to die for on CW...

Sure I could use more dynamic range, but honestly, that is not really 
limiting my QSO or DX count...  So really, all I might see is a new 
display, maybe some color, maybe a few more features, perhaps some 
better filtering...


What would really chap my ass would be for Elecraft to come up with a 
K4, and fork the software, and upgrade paths.  That would pretty well 
end all development on the K3 after some till defined ime frame, not yet 
stated...  If Elecraft comes up with a K4, and it is just a prettier 
version of a K3, with maybe a few new additional features, but Elecraft 
does not fork the product line, and/or software, I would be happy with 
my current radio.


The K3 really does perform so much better than anything I have ever used 
I don't imagine there is a lot that could be done to make it so much 
better as to make me want a K4.  I doubt any prospective K4 would up my 
DXCC count, or make -50 FT8 signals suddenly decode.


I am also 66, so my current, or next radio will be probably my last... 
I really don't want to get on the Flex bandwagon, of paying tons for a 
radio/science experiment, only to have it sell of 40% of new, three 
years later...  I am happy with the K3 for now...  If a K4 comes out, 
maybe, but if I did not have a K3, I and knowing what I know after 
owning one for years, I would be pretty ticked at myself for waiting a 
year for a K4, even if it came out...


73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL OOC for Oregon

On 3/24/19 11:38 AM, Chip Stratton wrote:

Seems like you need to decide what you want to do with a radio, which radio
will do best for what you have to spend, and get that radio. Why wait
around for something that might or might not be in the future and may or
may not fit your needs better in some incremental way? You will never know
if a K4 is coming until Elecraft actually announces it.

Chip
AE5KA

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM levandowski  wrote:


I've been a dedicated Elecrafter for well over a decade.  I've built and
owned all the radios - sometimes more than once - plus the KXPA100, and
many other products.  Wayne should look at my purchase history records.

But I reached the point where I got tired of orange screens so I sold
everything and bought a Kenwood TS-590SG where the screen color went from
yellow through orange to green.  It was a very capable radio and sounded
very nice.  But I still wasn't satisfied.

So I traded it in on a TS-890S five months ago.  Now that's a beautiful,
capable, colorful and HEAVY radio.

But there's just something about Elecraft..so I sold it last week, put
the money back in the bank and now I'm operating a little Hilltopper as my
only radio while I take a deep breath and figure out which of the Elecraft
radios that I previously owned and stupidly sold, I'll re-purchase.

I'm holding out hope for a new, colorful offering in the May time frame
but if not, it's probably going to be either another KX3 or a KX2 again.
Barefoot.

I guess I had to take the whole trip until I could figure out where I
wanted to settle down

73, Stan WB2LQF



On March 24, 2019 at 1:35 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX 

wrote:



Purchase what you want today. Tomorrow may never come.   If you wait

until tomorrow you'll never have a new radio.


Bob, K4TAX




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Re: [Elecraft] DXCC Rules

[kq8m]

This has come up before the DXAC several years ago and they suggested to the
ARRL board a mileage restriction for remote operation for DXCC acceptance
and the ARRL Board totally ignored their recommendation. I have my
suspicions as to why but I will keep them to myself. Good luck getting them
to change now.

73
Tim, KQ8M
k...@kq8m.com

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Kercel
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 14:33
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] DXCC Rules

Fellow Elecrafters:

If someone thinks that there is a problem with DXCC rules as they 
currently stand, the proper venue for venting your concerns is the ARRL 
DX Advisory Committee.

For access see:

http://www.arrl.org/dx-advisory-committee

73,

Steve Kercel, AA4AK

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Re: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

[Harald Fritzsche]

Hello Peter, All,

I am using SDRPlayIntf.dll (see CW Skimmer page) with CW Skimmer and K3.
The external preamplifier option is used to get antenna signal  during receive 
to a splitter and than back to K3 and to the SDRPlay.
This does not give me a band scope, but a band map filled with stations an the 
local antenna.

Which is ideal for "assisted" operation during a contest.

Vy73
Harald
DD0VS 



.-.-. --... ...-- -.. -.. - ...- ...

> Am 24.03.2019 um 16:37 schrieb Peter Dougherty :
> 
> Hello all.
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s with
> (specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and if so, how
> did you hook it all together? 
> 
> 
> 
> My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and
> software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before contest
> season starts.
> 
> I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use the
> IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three antennas
> coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on ANT-1, a K9AY
> receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire connected to the AUX
> antenna port, which is used only for diversity reception. The radio is
> connected via the USB interface exclusively, with no analog sound
> connections at the moment.
> 
> I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day operating. I'm
> quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and just using the P3 as a
> bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW contesting, and CW Dxpedition
> pileups.
> 
> One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully, which
> model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for recommending
> one version over another at this point? Thanks again!
> 
> 
> -
> 73 and Good DX
> Peter, W2IRT
> 
> 
> 
> President, North Jersey DX Association
> 
> DXCC Card Checker
> Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP]

Of course they can't say, since it would shut off sales for the K3S. I 
added new synthesizers to my K3, but didn't feel that the other stuff 
justified buying a new rig. But that is for everyone to decide for 
themselves.


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/


On 24/03/2019 19:16, w5...@comcast.net wrote:

Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the
planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later
the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL

so.. what say Elecraft?

Ronnie W5SUM 

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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Edward R Cole]

my two cents:

I do virtually NO HF and NO CW, so why do I subscribe?  Because I own 
a K3, KX3, and KXPA100.  So, yes, the occasional tech discussion is 
one that interests/impacts my stuff.  But I find some of the OT 
interesting, though HF contests/DXing are not particularly.


Main interests: 6m and up.  Eme.  Digital modes.

I subscribe to several lists besides Elecraft so to keep it separate 
I just receive the digest version.  I read it after going thru the 
other list more germane to my interests.  Then I delete each digest - 
unless I reply.  Then might retain it a few days.  Really important 
posts are printed for files that I might want to refer back at a 
later time or solve an issue that may reemerge in the future.


I do have e-mail folders for some e-mail categories that I want 
archived or for quick retrieval.  eg: invoices, trip reservations, 
etc.  When I was in business there was a folder for customer correspondence.


Final note:  I do not think Elecraft is over-moderated and in some 
cases more tolerant than I would be (I am moderator of another list).


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

[Tom]

Hi,
The LPPAN shouldn't have been like that.  However, as I mentioned
previously, you can use another SDR software just for the scope that can
forward IQ data like HDSDR.  You will then still have all the abilities of
Win4K3 just the scope will be delivered by different software.
73

-Original Message-
From: Peter Dougherty  
Sent: March 24, 2019 2:28 PM
To: 'Tom' ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

OK, then this will probably all have to wait. I thought it was the other way
around; that the SDRPlay box fed I/Q data into the PC, which Win4K3
interpreted and displayed.

I own an LP-Pan2 and it's full of birdies and mirror images/etc. Tried four
high-end sound cards and they were all the same, and it was far more of a
problem than it was worth. Maybe my PC is just too noisy, which I guess is
possible. 

If my proposed idea won't fly, then what will (short of buying a Perseus or
$$$omething similar)?

 - pjd

-Original Message-
From: Tom 
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:30 PM
To: 'Peter Dougherty' ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

Hi,
Win4K3 does not currently provide an IQ out for use with the SDRPlay.
Therefore CW skimmer will not get an IQ feed. (This will come in a future
update)
An LPPAN and a sound card does. This gives you a maximum bandwidth of 192kHz
in the spectrum scope.  CWSkimmer gives less bandwidth so an SDRPlay does
not give an advantage.
In terms of the quality of the signal, the LPPAN / Sound card is superior.
Of course the built in virtual radios allow you to use any panadapter
software such as HDSDR and SDRUno which have the IQ out that can be used
with CW Skimmer.
73 Tom
Va2fsq.com

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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
Behalf Of Peter Dougherty
Sent: March 24, 2019 11:37 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

Hello all.

 

I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s with
(specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and if so, how
did you hook it all together? 

 

My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and
software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before contest
season starts.

I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use the
IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three antennas
coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on ANT-1, a K9AY
receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire connected to the AUX
antenna port, which is used only for diversity reception. The radio is
connected via the USB interface exclusively, with no analog sound
connections at the moment.

I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day operating. I'm
quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and just using the P3 as a
bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW contesting, and CW Dxpedition
pileups.

One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully, which
model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for recommending
one version over another at this point? Thanks again!


-
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



President, North Jersey DX Association

DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Josh Wood]

As a NON-Elecraft owner, I thought I would chime in.  I too, enjoy both the
technical, as well as the Off-Topic well - erm, topics.  I just thought I
would copy information taken directly from Elecraft's website (
https://elecraft.com/pages/community).

The ELECRAFT email list server (reflector) is provided to further the
discussion of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for
the discussion of* both technical and operating topics* *including*
KX1/K1/K2/K3/KX3/P3/KPA500 features, construction and debugs problems, *sharing
your enthusiasm and impressions* from using our products *and more general
ham radio related topics of interest* to our customers. There is a
tremendous amount of knowledge and information available via the searchable
list archives and by posting your questions to the list. *(You must be
subscribed to post to the list.)*

Emphasis is obviously mine.  As long as it's not hateful, hurtful, or
inappropriate, and is done with the spirit of ham radio and Elecraft's
stated purpose in mind, it seems fine (to me).

I think there are enough cycles on the bands for us to turn the dial, and
in this case electrons in the wires for us to delete the emails, whenever
something doesn't interest you.

See you down the log,

~Josh
W0ODJ

P.S.  One of these days i'll convince my wife to let me buy a K3S... It'll
probably be a K5 by then!

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 1:12 PM Dick Dickinson 
wrote:

> As far as 'purpose,' I don't recall that Elecraft has ever made a formal
> statement on the matter.  I for one appreciates 'some' of the other than
> 'Elecraft technical' that goes on.
>
> I do not receive the messages via email.  I do keep a browser page open
> most
> all the time I'm at my computer.  The browser page lists the topic and
> poster and I can ignore what doesn't interest me.  It only take a couple of
> seconds to scan the posts after a refresh.
>
> I have no need nor interest in managing posts via email.
>
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2019-March/date.html
>
> .just have to update the link monthly.
>
>
> Dick - KA5KKT
> ---
>
> I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical
> support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask
> questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment.
>
> I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations,
> the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group
> supporting the technical issues of owners/users.
>
> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be
> taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?
>
> Bill W2BLC owner/user
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Chip Stratton]

Seems like you need to decide what you want to do with a radio, which radio
will do best for what you have to spend, and get that radio. Why wait
around for something that might or might not be in the future and may or
may not fit your needs better in some incremental way? You will never know
if a K4 is coming until Elecraft actually announces it.

Chip
AE5KA

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM levandowski  wrote:

> I've been a dedicated Elecrafter for well over a decade.  I've built and
> owned all the radios - sometimes more than once - plus the KXPA100, and
> many other products.  Wayne should look at my purchase history records.
>
> But I reached the point where I got tired of orange screens so I sold
> everything and bought a Kenwood TS-590SG where the screen color went from
> yellow through orange to green.  It was a very capable radio and sounded
> very nice.  But I still wasn't satisfied.
>
> So I traded it in on a TS-890S five months ago.  Now that's a beautiful,
> capable, colorful and HEAVY radio.
>
> But there's just something about Elecraft..so I sold it last week, put
> the money back in the bank and now I'm operating a little Hilltopper as my
> only radio while I take a deep breath and figure out which of the Elecraft
> radios that I previously owned and stupidly sold, I'll re-purchase.
>
> I'm holding out hope for a new, colorful offering in the May time frame
> but if not, it's probably going to be either another KX3 or a KX2 again.
> Barefoot.
>
> I guess I had to take the whole trip until I could figure out where I
> wanted to settle down
>
> 73, Stan WB2LQF
>
>
> > On March 24, 2019 at 1:35 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Purchase what you want today. Tomorrow may never come.   If you wait
> until tomorrow you'll never have a new radio.
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> >
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[Elecraft] DXCC Rules

[Steve Kercel]

Fellow Elecrafters:

If someone thinks that there is a problem with DXCC rules as they 
currently stand, the proper venue for venting your concerns is the ARRL 
DX Advisory Committee.


For access see:

http://www.arrl.org/dx-advisory-committee

73,

Steve Kercel, AA4AK

ARRL Maine Section DXCC Card Checker


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Re: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

[Peter Dougherty]

OK, then this will probably all have to wait. I thought it was the other
way around; that the SDRPlay box fed I/Q data into the PC, which Win4K3
interpreted and displayed.

I own an LP-Pan2 and it's full of birdies and mirror images/etc. Tried
four high-end sound cards and they were all the same, and it was far more
of a problem than it was worth. Maybe my PC is just too noisy, which I
guess is possible. 

If my proposed idea won't fly, then what will (short of buying a Perseus
or $$$omething similar)?
 - pjd

-Original Message-
From: Tom  
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:30 PM
To: 'Peter Dougherty' ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

Hi,
Win4K3 does not currently provide an IQ out for use with the SDRPlay.
Therefore CW skimmer will not get an IQ feed. (This will come in a future
update)
An LPPAN and a sound card does. This gives you a maximum bandwidth of
192kHz in the spectrum scope.  CWSkimmer gives less bandwidth so an
SDRPlay does not give an advantage.
In terms of the quality of the signal, the LPPAN / Sound card is superior.
Of course the built in virtual radios allow you to use any panadapter
software such as HDSDR and SDRUno which have the IQ out that can be used
with CW Skimmer.
73 Tom
Va2fsq.com

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty
Sent: March 24, 2019 11:37 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

Hello all.

 

I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s with
(specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and if so, how
did you hook it all together? 

 

My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and
software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before
contest season starts.

I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use the
IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three antennas
coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on ANT-1, a K9AY
receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire connected to the
AUX antenna port, which is used only for diversity reception. The radio is
connected via the USB interface exclusively, with no analog sound
connections at the moment.

I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day operating.
I'm quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and just using the P3
as a bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW contesting, and CW
Dxpedition pileups.

One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully,
which model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for
recommending one version over another at this point? Thanks again!


-
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



President, North Jersey DX Association

DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

[Peter Dougherty]

OK, then this will probably all have to wait. I thought it was the other way
around; that the SDRPlay box fed I/Q data into the PC, which Win4K3
interpreted and displayed.

I own an LP-Pan2 and it's full of birdies and mirror images/etc. Tried four
high-end sound cards and they were all the same, and it was far more of a
problem than it was worth. Maybe my PC is just too noisy, which I guess is
possible. 

If my proposed idea won't fly, then what will (short of buying a Perseus or
$$$omething similar)?

 - pjd

-Original Message-
From: Tom  
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:30 PM
To: 'Peter Dougherty' ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

Hi,
Win4K3 does not currently provide an IQ out for use with the SDRPlay.
Therefore CW skimmer will not get an IQ feed. (This will come in a future
update)
An LPPAN and a sound card does. This gives you a maximum bandwidth of 192kHz
in the spectrum scope.  CWSkimmer gives less bandwidth so an SDRPlay does
not give an advantage.
In terms of the quality of the signal, the LPPAN / Sound card is superior.
Of course the built in virtual radios allow you to use any panadapter
software such as HDSDR and SDRUno which have the IQ out that can be used
with CW Skimmer.
73 Tom
Va2fsq.com

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
Behalf Of Peter Dougherty
Sent: March 24, 2019 11:37 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

Hello all.

 

I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s with
(specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and if so, how
did you hook it all together? 

 

My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and
software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before contest
season starts.

I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use the
IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three antennas
coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on ANT-1, a K9AY
receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire connected to the AUX
antenna port, which is used only for diversity reception. The radio is
connected via the USB interface exclusively, with no analog sound
connections at the moment.

I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day operating. I'm
quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and just using the P3 as a
bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW contesting, and CW Dxpedition
pileups.

One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully, which
model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for recommending
one version over another at this point? Thanks again!


-
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



President, North Jersey DX Association

DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[levandowski]

I've been a dedicated Elecrafter for well over a decade.  I've built and owned 
all the radios - sometimes more than once - plus the KXPA100, and many other 
products.  Wayne should look at my purchase history records.

But I reached the point where I got tired of orange screens so I sold 
everything and bought a Kenwood TS-590SG where the screen color went from 
yellow through orange to green.  It was a very capable radio and sounded very 
nice.  But I still wasn't satisfied.

So I traded it in on a TS-890S five months ago.  Now that's a beautiful, 
capable, colorful and HEAVY radio.  

But there's just something about Elecraft..so I sold it last week, put the 
money back in the bank and now I'm operating a little Hilltopper as my only 
radio while I take a deep breath and figure out which of the Elecraft radios 
that I previously owned and stupidly sold, I'll re-purchase.

I'm holding out hope for a new, colorful offering in the May time frame but if 
not, it's probably going to be either another KX3 or a KX2 again.  Barefoot.   

I guess I had to take the whole trip until I could figure out where I wanted to 
settle down

73, Stan WB2LQF


> On March 24, 2019 at 1:35 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:
> 
> 
> Purchase what you want today. Tomorrow may never come.   If you wait until 
> tomorrow you'll never have a new radio. 
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Alan Corbeth]

I am in the same boat.  I really want to join the Elecraft Family, but the K3 
is aging and I feel a major upgrade must be on the table.  Icom, Flex, and now 
Yaesu have recently introduced new high tech models.  On one hand I am ready to 
purchase a new K3s, but will be very unhappy if shortly thereafter an upgraded 
new model is introduced.  Therefore, at least for now, I wait.

Alan
K7FH

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Macy monkeys  wrote:
> 
> But then again, do you want to be on the bleeding edge...or settle for the 
> comfort of a known quantity? Personally, I love being first on the 
> block...but my bookkeeper doesn't always agree.
> 
> John K7FD
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Dick Dickinson  wrote:
>> 
>> If you want to be on the safe side, but don’t want to wait forever, you
>> might consider that Elecraft sometimes makes major announcements here →
>> 70th International DX Convention * April 12-14, 2019 * Visalia, California
>> 
>> 
>> Dick - KA5KKT
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning
>> stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was
>> announced. I was livid.. LOL
>> 
>> so.. what say Elecraft?
>> 
>> Ronnie W5SUM
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Dick Dickinson]

As far as 'purpose,' I don't recall that Elecraft has ever made a formal
statement on the matter.  I for one appreciates 'some' of the other than
'Elecraft technical' that goes on.

I do not receive the messages via email.  I do keep a browser page open most
all the time I'm at my computer.  The browser page lists the topic and
poster and I can ignore what doesn't interest me.  It only take a couple of
seconds to scan the posts after a refresh.

I have no need nor interest in managing posts via email.

http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2019-March/date.html

.just have to update the link monthly.


Dick - KA5KKT
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support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask 
questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment.

I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, 
the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group 
supporting the technical issues of owners/users.

Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be 
taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?

Bill W2BLC owner/user


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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Macy monkeys]

But then again, do you want to be on the bleeding edge...or settle for the 
comfort of a known quantity? Personally, I love being first on the block...but 
my bookkeeper doesn't always agree.

John K7FD

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Dick Dickinson  wrote:
> 
> If you want to be on the safe side, but don’t want to wait forever, you
> might consider that Elecraft sometimes makes major announcements here →
> 70th International DX Convention * April 12-14, 2019 * Visalia, California
> 
> 
> Dick - KA5KKT
> 
> --
> 
> Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning
> stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was
> announced. I was livid.. LOL
> 
> so.. what say Elecraft?
> 
> Ronnie W5SUM
> 
> 
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