[Elecraft] K3 Strange noise

2008-10-06 Thread n4lq
Recently I've been hearing a strange noise. I've installed the latest FW 
2.46 but I'm not sure when this started.
It's only audible from an external speaker and cannot be heard through the 
front headphone jack.
The noise is a random, pulsating tone of about 360Hz and sounds a bit like 
RTTY but only one tone. It follows the band noise. It shows up on any band, 
any frequency. With the antenna disconnected, it disappears. It can be heard 
in any mode. I can swing the manual notch across the spectrum and it 
disappears when set to about 360HZ.


Please someone check for this.
Settings:
1. Antenna connected
2. Tune to any band, any mode.
3. Do not tune in a signal.
4. Must use an external speaker plugged into rear jack.
5. Fitler opened wide.
6. Listen closley under the band noise for low pitch, pulsating tone around 
320 to 400 hz.


Let me know if you hear anything like this. Thanks.


Steve Ellington
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Re: [Elecraft] Ferrite transformer losses, 43-foot vertical and the K3

2008-09-19 Thread n4lq

Phil. Questions:
1. Why would one use a balun when both the antenna and coax are unbalanced? 
Wouldn't a unun be appropriate?
2. What are the swrs at the balun? The swr at the K3 doesn't tell us much 
since the length of the coax affects it greatly.

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Subject: [Elecraft] Ferrite transformer losses, 43-foot vertical and the K3



Because of some earlier discussions here, I wanted to actually measure
losses in a 4:1 ferrite transformer.  I wanted this info as I have a
home-brew 43-foot vertical and these transformers are what seem to be
recommended for matching to this antenna.

I used a FT240-61 ferrite toroid which has a permeability of 125.  I chose
16-gauge speaker wire to experiment with.  This is because I want to
eventually use high voltage wire, and 16-gauge is the largest gauge
2-conductor high-voltage wire I could find (McMaster-Carr 9634T701 @
$2.65/foot).  I built a 4:1 unun, as I am feeding an unbalanced vertical
antenna.  And I decided to go with a voltage balun as this is a simpler
structure than a current balun or unun.

With a little experimentation, I was able to build a very good 1.8-30 MHz
4:1 unun.  This consists of 12-turns of the 16-gauge speaker wire on the
FT-240-61.  As the voltage balun is a little inductive causing degradation
at the higher frequencies, I tuned this out with a 33pf capacitor across 
the

50 ohm input.  This gave me a transformer with 1.2:1 SWR at 1.8 MHz, but
less than 1.1:1 from 3.5-30 MHz.  In order to measure loss, I built a 
second

identical transformer and connected these back-to-back.  I measured
insertion loss with both an Array Solutions PowerMaster, and a Tektronix
TDS-2200 digital oscilloscope.  I made all measurements with 20 watts of 
RF

power on my workbench.  Bottom line:  Loss through both transformers was
less than ½-watt (20 watts forward power) from 1.8-30 MHz.  This is just a
little over 1% of loss in each transformer.  Even if my measurements are 
off

by a factor of two, this is still pretty much insignificant loss.

Next I installed one of these transformers at the base of my 43-foot
vertical.  My radial system isn't the best in the world because of the 
space
I'm restricted to.  I have about a dozen random-length radials with 
lengths

up to about 50-feet.  My transmission line is 60-feet of Andrew ½-inch
Heliax that transitions to a 3-foot section of LMR-400 inside my house 
going

to the K3.  My Array Solutions PowerMaster is located immediately at the
output of the K3.  The SWR measured with the PowerMaster was as follows:

160:  4.9:1
80:  6.3:1
60:  3.3:1
40:  3.2:1
30:  3.2:1
20:  3:1
17:  2.1:1
15:  1.9:1
12:  1.4:1
10:  2.2:1

Obviously, these mismatches are easily handled by the internal K3
auto-tuner.  And line loss is minimal because the mismatch isn't very 
high,

and the transmission line is very low loss.

The 16-gauge speaker wire on the FT240-61 core seems to be working fine 
even
with 600 watts out of my ALS-600 amplifier.  However, I do have some of 
that

expensive McMaster-Carr high-voltage wire on order.

Anyway, I just thought I'd share these measurements with the group.

Phil - AD5X

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Rear panel mike socket; stereo or mono?

2008-09-01 Thread n4lq
Normally a computer mic. has a condenser element and requires DC bias via 
the mic. jack. Don't use a mono adapter. Set your menu for rPH bias. The 
'mono' label is tricky. I think it means that the mic. audio is mono but not 
the jack.

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Rear panel mike socket; stereo or mono?



Been trying out a pc type headset with boom mike and a
3.5mm stereo plug on the mike lead. Having what I like
to think of as a logical mind(?), I made up a 3.5mm
stereo to mono adapter to plug into the socket on the
rear of the K3 which is labeled 'mono'. This 'sort of'
worked but kept losing the connection intermittently.
The adapter plug did seem to be a bit of a loose fit
which caused me have a closer look at the KIO3
analogue board and I noticed that the mono mike socket
appeared to be a stereo type with presumably, just the
tip connected.

Anyhow I just plugged the stereo plug from the boom
mike straight into the 'mono' socket and it works
fine, better fit too. Can't find any mention of this
in the manual so wondering if the use of a stereo plug
is the recommended way...?

73,

Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF (K3 145)

PS. The VOX on the K3 is a joy to use.
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Re: [Elecraft] NR

2008-09-01 Thread n4lq

Don
Check your RX EQ and make sure it's not got some gain cranked on any freq. 
band. NR can really make SSB sound bad if you've peaked up the EQ for CW 
like I do.

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Subject: [Elecraft] NR




Good morning,
Need a little help setting up the NR. When I use it cuts out the white
noise but the voice is muffled. Sounds like it is being over driven and
kinda fades in and out.Signal sounds better with it off. Tried all the
setting (F1 thru F4).

Don...w2xb
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Harmonic Distortion

2008-09-01 Thread n4lq

Jim
None of those things helps. I can reduce my LINE OUT gain to 1 and still see 
the 3rd harmonic easily on the waterfall. I've had many rigs and this is the 
first to do this.
There was a thread about this not long ago. Do a nabble search on ghost. 
There is also some distortion in the speaker output but I'm told that this 
is a separate amplifier.

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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:30:45 +0100, Berni G0IDA wrote:


I hope there is a cure for this as it's frustrating listening to CW with
this sort of distortion.


There are three things you should do.

1) Make sure that the AGC is on, and that the CONFIG AGC settings are at 
the

defaults.

2) Reduce the LINEOUT GAIN (on the CONFIG menu) to a value less than about 
4.

This prevents distortion that could occur in the output transformer.

3) Adjust the input gain of your computer so that you have enough signal 
for

the decoder to function, but not enough to cause distortion.

This should correct any problems.

73,

Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Kent Single Lever Paddles

2008-08-31 Thread n4lq
It's not the single vs. dual lever issue that bothers these guys. It's the 
iambic mode, a or b. Mode B has been the standard since the early 70's. 
TenTec came out with their KR-40 which is mode b and ever since then mode A 
has been a step child. All JA rigs use mode B now.
Basically, mode B has enough brains to know if you held in a lever long 
enough to produce the last element without actually starting to send it. 
People who learned on mode B, trying to send the letter C on a mode A 
machine will end up sending the letter K. The last dit is dropped because it 
wants you to hold in the dit button until that dit has started to form. Mode 
A people who try to send C end up sending KA _._._ because they hold the dit 
lever in too long. Both modes are iambic since holding in both levers 
results in alternate dits and dahs. It's just a matter of when to let go!
A single lever paddle works equally well with either mode. In fact when you 
consider the entire alphabet, less finger movement is required with the 
single lever paddle. This came as a shock to me. Check the letter C. On a 
single lever we swing left, right, left, right. That's 4 movements. With 
duals, we (push left and hold), (push right and hold), (release left), 
(release right) for letter C. So we have the same number of movements with 
either paddle. Now let's do A. With single lever we swing left, swing right, 
release. 3 moves. With duals, we push left and hold, push right, release 
left, release right. 4 moves! It all happens so fast that you don't realize 
you are doing it.
The Kent single lever paddle is a precision device. I prefer a wider finger 
piece over the thin paddle Kent uses however.
The K3 works well with either single or duals. It doesn't know the 
difference.

Steve Ellington
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Kent Single Lever Paddles


Why do you need special interface for a single lever paddle?  It works the 
same as an Iambic paddle except that you can't close both contacts at 
once.


Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ


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From: Jack Regan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Elecraft] Kent Single Lever Paddles
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 3:10 PM
Last week I asked K3 Support if single lever paddle support
was on the to
to do list.  Gary Surrency responded that it
was not but would be
considered.

within days the answer came back that it would not be
supported due to the
small number of users affected.



At first I was a little annoyed but now I am all right with
that decision
because I have found that I can in fact use my Kent paddle
with a slap and
dash technique with the K3 internal keyer just the way it
is.



1.   I changed my weighting to 1.25 and selected MODE
A.

2.   I used the TEXT DECODE function to get feedback.

3.   I made sure I was consistently as fast as possible
with my keying
of elements within a character when switching from dot(s)
to dash(es).



This technique cured my problem of things like
CQ being seen NNMET

Using the TEXT DECODE function also helped with getting rid
of unwanted
Farnsworth spacing between characters.  The better I get at
hearing CW the
more annoying it becomes.  It also makes sending a more
natural rhythm.



BTW, before I worked this method out I hooked up my
microHam CW Keyer and
used it and it worked FB with no effort on my part but I
resented having an
extra box and extra cables on my desk!  In an attempt to
clean up my station
I went back to using the K3 keyer and worked things out!
Not only did I get
rid of the external keyer and cables but now the Kent
single lever paddle is
plugged into the paddle jack and so TEXT DECODE as well as
TERMINAL mode in
the K3 Utility both work on send and receive.



Jack AE6GC, K3 1433, KX1 1403

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - DSP ringing on CW SSB

2008-08-30 Thread n4lq

Berni
This sounds like harmonic distortion, not ringing. It's the same thing 
people are seeing on their PSK waterfalls and calling it a ghost. There's 
not much you can do about it.


Steve Ellington
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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - DSP ringing on CW  SSB



Hi everyone,

I have had my K3 almost a week and I am very happy with it :-)

I do however hear what I would describe as a ringing sound (and always), 
perhaps caused by the DSP.
When I tune to a CW signal with any filter configuration although less 
pronounced using 250Hz filter the tone of the signal is good. But when I 
tune away from it and QSY up the band  the tone gets higher in frequency 
I can hear what I would call ringing and it is very slight but enough for 
it to be anoying.


This does not always happen and may be if I press a combination of keys 
like NR, NB, WIDTH, SHIFT it causes this to go away, I haven't worked out 
if it is indeed a combination of keys or not.


I've tried a different set of headphones just in case the headphones 
(Heil) were rattling but it is the same.


This happens too on SSB as you tune away from the signal and is randomly 
there or not.


Perhaps there are settings which optimize this?
I have the RX EQ set up to cut the last 2 high frequencies off by 6dB and 
10dB but it seems to make no difference how I set these.


Does anyone else hear this very mild Ringing?

73's
Berni
G0IDA
K3 #1474

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Re: [Elecraft] v2.32 Beta and DSP filtering

2008-08-29 Thread n4lq

Gary:
Under the same conditions, my AFV is almost flat.

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Subject: [Elecraft] v2.32 Beta and DSP filtering




I notice an appreciable drop in audio output when I narrow the DSP filter
from 150hz to 100hz.  AFV readings go from 971 to 343 on a 50uv signal 
from

a XG-2.  The 200hz filter is OFF. RX equalization is flat.

I believe this is new in 2.32 but wouldn't swear to it and, of course, I
trashed the prior beta firmware.  Reloaded all firmware again this morning
and the effect is still the same.

Anyone else notice this?  Thanks.

73,   Gary W7TEA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB on 40M

2008-08-28 Thread n4lq
It occurrs on all bands when ESSB is turned on but the sideband varies. On 
40 it's really obvious because low output happens in LSB. On 15m it's not 
obvious because it happens in USB. Elecraft just told me to install the new 
firmware which I had already done and to do an alignment via the menu. I'll 
fiddle with it later but I still think something is fishy.

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I had a similar problem with SSB from 30m through 160m.  Is your low 
output

only on 40?

73,

John, WA6L



Nick Henwood wrote:


Can't get proper output on 40M SSB. Rig works fine on all other bands. On
40M gives full output on CW but when switched to SSB although the Comp 
and

ALC readings are OK (i.e.as for all other bands) but there is very little
RF output. Can't think of anything which is specific to 40M which I have
switched on or off. Any ideas please (I don't use SSB much!)?
73 Nick G3RWF
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ESSB/SSB firmware corrected; Beta revision now 2.32

2008-08-28 Thread n4lq

Wayne
I still see a large difference in LSB vs. USB when ESSB is ON. Which 
sideband is strongest varies by band. LSB is about 50% weaker than USB on 40 
meters. Turning ESSB OFF cures the problem but my audio reports are far 
better with it ON.
Is there anything I can do on this end or should I wait for firmware 
changes. I just want to know if this is normal.

Steve Ellington
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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ESSB/SSB firmware corrected; Beta revision now 2.32



Well, this is why we do beta test

Revision 2.32, now on our web site, corrects a major problem we introduced 
in rev 2.31 and somehow didn't catch during our own testing. ESSB should 
once again be functional, and LSB/USB balance in both normal SSB and ESSB 
should be improved.


Also note that we're planning to further improve the ESSB passband in 
future revisions. At present when you select 4.0 kHz, for example, you 
might get a -3 dB cutoff of around 3700 Hz. While this is much wider than 
normal SSB, we think we can extend it.


73,
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Re: [Elecraft] CW mode AGC Slow-Fast- no different.

2008-08-11 Thread n4lq

Serge
Works ok on my K3. Config. AGC AGC-S higher number gives faster decay as 
should be.


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Subject: [Elecraft] CW mode AGC Slow-Fast- no different.




Hello

I am not saw different in CW  mode for AGC Slow-Fast?? 
firmware 2.23 ... config adjust no effect ...
pse look. In SSB all well.

73 Serge

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 rough note on CW monitor

2008-08-11 Thread n4lq
So I assume you are using one serial port to control the K3 and another to 
key it? Perhaps the PC is busy doing other task at times. This is why a lot 
of hams buy the Winkey keyer. I've been able to get by ok by using the 
parallel port on the pc and the LPT adapter from Hose Nose.

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 rough note on CW monitor


This weekend I noticed that the CW sound was distorted and full of 
artifacts. This was listening to my own sending via headphones, keying was 
via N1MM through the serial port.


I'm using MCU 2.22 / DSP 1.88.

Any thoughts?

thanks,
Julius

Julius Fazekas
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Elecraft K2/100 #4455
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Re: [Elecraft] CW mode AGC Slow-Fast- no different.

2008-08-11 Thread n4lq

2,23 here Serge. Try reloading your firmware.
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Steve

I believe ,  but in my case
exactly no different ...
DATA mode- OK, USB-LSB-OK
CW - ... Slow-Fast the same ...
what your firmware?

73
Serge


Serge
Works ok on my K3. Config. AGC AGC-S higher number gives faster decay as
should be.

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Re: [Elecraft] a wish for a balance control

2008-08-09 Thread n4lq
Lot's of headphones have individual volume controls. MFJ has a pair that 
sounds good. Theirs has volume and tone contols. 
http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-392B

For $25 they are hard to beat.
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Subject: [Elecraft] a wish for a balance control



As a guy with frequent ear problems, I wish rigs had a

balance control which puts more AF juice into one

side of the headphones compared to the other.

Age-ing hams  can wish  73

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Re: [Elecraft] a wish for a balance control

2008-08-09 Thread n4lq
At least those headphones work in data modeSome of the more expensive 
headphones are just analog!


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-Original Message-
Steve, N4LQ, wrote:
Lot's of headphones have individual volume controls. MFJ has a pair that
sounds good. Theirs has volume and tone contols.
http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-392B
For $25 they are hard to beat.

--

Oh, my word! Reading the ad I find this:
Near zero loss on signal transmission from the gold plated plug and 
cord.


I've seen many uncomplimentary comments about MFJ over the years, most of
which, IMHO, weren't really justified, but this starts to change my mind.
Maybe the ad writer was being paid by the word but that statement is 
almost

in the class of the cryogenically-treated power cords for audio amps.

Clicking on the photo for a close up shows the Styrofoam dummy head 
wearing
them with the phone marked R on his left ear. Oh well, he doesn't 
pretend

to be anything but a dummy from what I can see.

I wonder if the cord really is gold plated like the ad said?

Ron AC7AC




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[Elecraft] FS: MC-80 Mic. good for K3

2008-08-09 Thread n4lq

For Sale:
Kenwood MC-80 Microphone. Plugs directly into the front panel of the K3. Has 
internal battery for mic. No wiring changes needed. Up/Down  buttons will 
require plug wiring changes for K3. Have not tested this function.
Appearance is very good and audio sounds good with the K3 as it is. $65 
shipped Conus.

PayPal ok.

Details
http://www.universal-radio.com/CATALOG/mics/1026.html

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Re: [Elecraft] Paddle for K3

2008-08-08 Thread n4lq
There is an impedance mismatch between the Elecraft Hex Key and the K3 
causing it to produce a ghost signal on harmonically related bands. I 
believe this is a firmware bug in the paddle and am asking Elecraft to look 
into this at once! I have tried to download the latest beta firmware for 
this paddle from the FTP server but my Macintosh which runs Firefox ver. 
br549 begins to send alternate dits and dahs. I am upset over the total lack 
of support here.
BTW: I find that my Windom antenna works better on CW than on SSB. Could 
this the short and long halves of the antenna be the cause?

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Both the Elecraft Hex Key and the Brown Brothers BTL-A paddles work great. 
I

like the stability of a paddle that has little or no vertical movement of
the paddle arms. The Hex key is heavy but the Brown Brothers is easier to
adjust.


alsopb wrote:



What paddle to use is also a fitting topic.




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[Elecraft] For Sale K1 4 bands with tuner

2008-08-08 Thread n4lq

I am offering my K1 for sale. It is loaded with the following:
K1-4. 4 bands 80, 40, 30 and 17 meters.
KAT1 Internal automatic antenna tuner. Matches about anything.
It is aligned and working perfectly. Looks new with no flaws. Non-smoking 
enviroment.

Cost for a new kit is $478.
Selling this one for $375. Shipped CONUS.
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Re: [Elecraft] For Sale K1 4 bands with tuner

2008-08-08 Thread n4lq

SorryIt covers 40, 30, 20 and 17. Not 80!
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On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 10:10 -0400, n4lq wrote:

I am offering my K1 for sale. It is loaded with the following:
K1-4. 4 bands 80, 40, 30 and 17 meters.
KAT1 Internal automatic antenna tuner. Matches about anything.
It is aligned and working perfectly. Looks new with no flaws. Non-smoking
enviroment.
Cost for a new kit is $478.
Selling this one for $375. Shipped CONUS.
PayPal accepted.

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Audio

2008-08-08 Thread n4lq
I see the same extra stripe using mixw  and an RF generator. I had to turn 
down the line out of the K3 to 001 and crank up the sound card to max 
inorder to eliminate it. The level is a bit weak now and needs more gain. 
There is something not quiet right here.

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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:30:55 +0100, Andrew Forrest wrote:


It appears that this effect is nothing to do with clipping or
transformer saturation but some kind of mixing.


I'm also not convinced that this particular screen shot is non-
linear distortion. It could be aliasing in the FFT software that's
part of the decoder.

On the other hand, the pdf below DOES show both harmonic distortion
and IM distortion on the Line Output when the Line Out level is set
too high (driving the transformer being driven beyond it's ratings).

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/K3FilterStudy.pdf

73,

Jim Brown K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which one?

2008-08-07 Thread n4lq

Eric
Eric
Bob Heil needs to be straightened out on this since he's telling people to 
buy the Yaesu adapter. Personally I think there's a market here for a desk 
mic. with Elecraft's name on it.

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I'd like to clarify this point.

Starting with the K2 in 1998, we designed our 'Elecraft Standard' 8 pin 
microphone connector to be compatible with the Kenwood -Dynamic- 
microphone pin out that is used on their HF radios, which represents the 
vast majority of 'Kenwood' style microphones out there. (Especially in 
1998.) The other pins referred to below are only used for the electret 
element versions of the Kenwood microphones, which we intentionally did 
not design for. We never intended to work on every possible microphone 
combination used on Kenwood radios.


I think the confusion on this issue arose when people started trying to 
use microphones that Kenwood sells on its VHF/UHF radios, some of which 
are of the electret variety and require power/bias on a separate pin. We 
never intended to be directly pin compatible with those microphones, since 
we were targeting the HF market. (It is quite easy though to modify the 
connector pin out on those mics to get the required voltage from the K3.)


It should also be noted that most radio manufacturers have a microphone 
pin out that is unique to their product line. We broke this mold by 
picking what we felt was a widely used pin out for dynamic microphones to 
widen the usability of the K2 and subsequently the K3. This immediately 
opened up a wide range of mics for immediate use on the K2/K3 (-and- 
reduced our direct microphone sales).


In any case, to help clarify this in the future, we'll start reworking our 
K2/K3 documentation to use the phrase 'generally pin compatible with 
Kenwood -dynamic- microphone pin outs.' ;-)


73, Eric   WA6HHQ

P.S. Yes, the 'Kenwood' Heil adapter is the correct one to use with their 
microphones and our rigs.



Charles Harpole wrote:

Elecraft K3 front mic socket (8 pin) is basically Kenwood standard, but
Elecraft forgot to check the full pin-out and mistakenly reversed two
pins that are used only on Kenwood hand mics and others not usually in 
the HF ham shack.  Do beware of this fact.  Altho it does not affect the 
Heil Kenwood adapter.


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[Elecraft] ESSB Problem 40m

2008-08-06 Thread n4lq
When using ESSB, any bandwidth, on 40 meters, LSB output power drops about 
50% compared to USB. Turning off ESSB gives 100% power in either mode.

I reloaded the latest firmware, 2.23, no change.
20 meters is 100% output on either sideband.
Suggestions?
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[Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which one?

2008-08-06 Thread n4lq
I was thinking about ordering a Heil headset and had a question about which 
adapter to order. I though it would turn out to be the Kenwood adpt. 
According to Bob Heil himselfIt's the Yaesu adapter. The confusion never 
ends. Yaesu had several ways of configuring their 8 pin mic jack. I read 
about some difference in Kenwood vs. the K3's pinout and now this. See Bob's 
replay to my query below. So who is confused? I sure am.


Hi Steve
Thanks for your note.  Yes, there IS confusion because Elecraft began as a
kit primarily.  They suggested you follow Kenwood pin out but as you built
it that was so nice and easy to change.

They went to a Yaesu configuration with the K3.  There is no confusion here.
Yaesu.  Never was anything else that I knew of. That works well.  Ten Tec is
using this same pin out and several of the QRP kits are following that so
this is all good Steve.

As far as our products - ANY of the dynamic elements work so for the
headset, you use the AD-1Y (Yaesu) adapter and the headset using our HC 5
element. This is a terrific combination.  The AD-1Y adapter has a 1/4
female output for the HS 2 or FS 2 PTT control.

For microphones I would look at the PR 781 or GOLDLINE GM 5.  Cable is the
CC-1Y and again that has output for the PTT control of our handswitch of
footswitch.

Hope this helps.  Let me know how best I can help form here, Steve.
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[Elecraft] K3 Heil Adapter, which one?

2008-08-06 Thread n4lq


Ok...Thanks guys. I'm convinced. Bob must have lost it. I think Elecraft 
and

him need to have a little talk.

Steve Ellington
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And I just plugged in a Kenwood hand mike.  Worked like a champ.

Robert K5PI

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n4lq wrote:


I was thinking about ordering a Heil headset and had a question about
which
adapter to order. I though it would turn out to be the Kenwood adpt.
According to Bob Heil himselfIt's the Yaesu adapter.



I've been using the Kenwood adapter including footswitch since December 
with

no problems.  Maybe Bob Heil is having a senior moment..

73,  Bill

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Re: [Elecraft] ESSB Problem 40m

2008-08-06 Thread n4lq
I thought the problem had gone away however I discovered I had the ESS 
option turned off instead. I need someone to test this. You must be on 40 
meters, LSB in ESSB mode. Compare upper and lower SSB power outputs. I see 
about 50% power in LSB. When I whistle in the mic, the power jumps quickly 
to 100w then quickly decreases to 50w. Not so in USB.


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When using ESSB, any bandwidth, on 40 meters, LSB output power drops about 
50% compared to USB. Turning off ESSB gives 100% power in either mode.

I reloaded the latest firmware, 2.23, no change.
20 meters is 100% output on either sideband.
Suggestions?
Steve Ellington
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Heil Microphones

2008-08-06 Thread n4lq
I've always though the entire Heil thing was bunk They use the same little 
element in all mics and the shape-size of the case gives them a little 
different sound. They paint them gold and install them in large, empty metal 
cases to help our ego.
I am now using a cheap computer headset and with the new ESSB mode, I'm 
getting glowing audio reports without asking. The change to ESSB was 
instantly noticed by locals and drew rave comments. Any decent mic. with a 
flat response and a wind shield can be made to sound equal or better than a 
Heil by adjusting the EQ. The 1/8 inputs on the back of the K3 are a 
Godsend. A PTT mic. would be nice but I just use a foot switch plugged into 
the PTT jack on the back (another cool feature). Sometimes I put the foot 
switch on the desktop and it becomes a pound-to-talk button.


Steve Ellington
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Gary Gregory wrote:


I do not question Heil Sounds quality in microphones, but I do question 
the
quality of audio produced from the Goldline Mics when connected to the 
K3.I
did try both elements of course. Perhaps they have a better mic for use 
with

the K3..?

You have a completely different experience to me Gary.  I use a Goldline 
with Studio and HC-5 inserts and it rocks.  I have little EQ in at all and 
I get consistently good reports from it.  For PTT I use a small plastic 
box with 2 switches, one latching, the other momentary.  It fits in my 
hand nicely and cost me a couple of pounds to make.  I have my mic on a 
boom out of personal preference which hides the cable somewhat.


73 Ian

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[Elecraft] K3 ESSB?

2008-08-01 Thread n4lq

Is the ESSB enhancement coming today? Thought I read that somewhere.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: KRX3 Shipping?

2008-07-29 Thread n4lq

Does Elecraft notify you before shipping to be sure you still want it?
Steve Ellington
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Is anyone receiving their KRX3s? My order has been in for over 13 months,
but no sign of it yet! The S/N of my K3 is 467.  Jerry   AI6L

I ordered mine on May 2, 2007 with my K3 (no deposit).  K3 received 
end-of-January, and KRX3 received TODAY!


Phil - AD5X
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Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they are 
about the same level. Why would anyone want a fixed sidetone level? Changing 
from speaker to headphones requires readjustment of the sidetone level. When 
the xyl turns on the washing machine, I have to turn up the AF gain then the 
sidetone is buried in noise so I have to crank it up.
Many of us with Omni VI's performed a simple mod that allowed sidetone to 
track with the AF gain. Kenwood got it right with tracking sidetone. I think 
most Icoms do too. Yaesu was really bad. On the MP you had to reach behind 
the rig and find a little knob to change sidetone level!!
So if there were some way to merge sidetone into AF gain, I would love 
it...73

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Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer?  Do you like things
better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed
output regardless of the AF knob.  Or is the way the K1 does things more
preferred.  The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor
as an offset from the RX level.  So you set the monitor level and it
gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain.

My personal preference is the K1 method.  I like this because if my wife
is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way
and use headphones).  I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather
than make a separate adjustment.  I'm not asking for any changes.  Just
curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic.

~Brett (KC7OTG)

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Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq

David
I do have the K3 and know how to adjust the sidetone. I just prefer having 
the AF gain and sidetone track to one control. Also, I like to be able to 
adjust the sidetone level while sending CW which you can't do on the K3. 
When you push the mon button you get a constant sidetone. You cannot hear 
the other guy sending no can you send cw yourself while doing this. This is 
very weird and I have never seen a rig act like this. It's not a deal 
breaker but it sure seems crude. Rigs such as the IC-756PRO have a little 
sidetone level knob that allows you to simply increase or decrease the 
sidetone level while sending or receiving with no interruptions. That's how 
it should be.

Steve Ellington
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In a recent message, n4lq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ...
CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they 
are about the same level.

...
Many of us with Omni VI's performed a simple mod that allowed sidetone to 
track with the AF gain.


Yes, Steve, but on here we're talking about the Elecraft K3 on which the 
sidetone level is a simple matter of just pushing and turning a knob. Do 
try a K3 sometime and you will find how simple it is.


73
--
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Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
Again I agree. Changing the sidetone level or pitch requires us to listen to 
the constant tone which covers up everything. I think the intent was good 
but a bit impractical.

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I don't adjust the sidetone level very often. Not sure I'd like to
have it vary with the AF Gain. I think I like having it as a reference
audio level. Mine is set at 25.

What I would like is the option to adjust the PITCH without hearing
the sidetone. In other words, listening to a weak signal I want to
adjust it's pitch (offset) for best copy. Different signal conditions
can warrant the use of different pitches for optimum copy. But you
can't do this with the sidetone overriding the received audio. Even if
you set the sideone level to zero the received audio is blocked
whenever PITCH is on.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:53:14 -0700, Brett (KC7OTG) wrote:


?Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer?  Do you like things
better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed
output regardless of the AF knob.  Or is the way the K1 does things more
preferred.  The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor
as an offset from the RX level.  So you set the monitor level and it
gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain.

My personal preference is the K1 method.  I like this because if my wife
is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way
and use headphones).  I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather
than make a separate adjustment.  I'm not asking for any changes.  Just
curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic.

~Brett (KC7OTG)



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Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
Good point and there's probably no one answer to this therefore it should be 
made configurable.

At least, the constant tone feature for level and pitch should be optional.
Basically, if I could just reach for a knob and turn it when I want to 
change sidetone level during a QSO, I would be happy. Oh..heck...I'm already 
happy but this gives us something to discuss.


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Sidetone level should be independently adjustable IMO.

I use headphones. When operating QSK, if I've run up the AF gain to
hear a weak station, I don't want to be blasted by high sidetone level
when I start sending, as would be the case if sidetone level tracked
the AF gain.  I don't want to have to adjust the AF gain control
between sending and receiving under those circumstances to control the
sidetone level.

Bob NW8L

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer?  Do you like things
better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed
output regardless of the AF knob.  Or is the way the K1 does things more
preferred.  The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor
as an offset from the RX level.  So you set the monitor level and it
gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain.

My personal preference is the K1 method.  I like this because if my wife
is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way
and use headphones).  I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather
than make a separate adjustment.  I'm not asking for any changes.  Just
curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic.

~Brett (KC7OTG)

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Re: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Antennas in trees

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
I use a reel with 6 lb line and a wrist rocket  from Walmart with a lead 
fishing weight. Lay the reel on the ground and shoot the weight over the top 
of the tree. I try to avoid large limbs. You want the line over the soft 
bushy limbs. They act as a spring or shock absorber. Use the line to pull up 
some nylon twine then use the twine to pull up your rope. The wind can blow 
all it wants and those soft limbs act like a nice cushion. I've even been 
know to run insulated antenna wire right through a tree with no ill effects 
on the HF bands.

Steve Ellington
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The ARRL Antenna Book suggests using a pulley and counter weight to allow 
for the varying distances between trees caused by wind. At my former QTH, 
Ellijay GA, I noticed that in very gusty conditions sometimes the support 
trees moved in opposite directions at the same time. I decided to make my 
counterweight out of an eight foot length of 5/16 chain. Put about a 
third of the length of the chain on the ground during no wind conditions. 
Now as the wind moves the trees more of less of the chain gets lifted off 
the ground. This gives a gradual increment in the weight of the 
counterweight. The antenna that I had up was 88' of #18 insulatd wire up 
40', center fed with 450 Ohm line.


With this antenna I got into ECN on 40 and 20 using the K1 just about 
every time I tried. (Kevin, wish I could find a place for this type of 
antenna where I now live.)


I was concerned about the sudden change of weight caused by a solid one 
piece weight hitting the ground or lifted off the ground. With one third 
of the chain on the ground the weight does not swing in the breeze.


73, Ty, W1TF, K1 #1423,  K3 #696






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Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
Using a set of computer speakers which have their own gain control allows 
you to adjust the overall AF gain, including the sidetone then use the AF 
gain control on the K3 to adjust for band noise. That's how I avoid having 
to fiddle with the sidetone level.


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I hadn't noticed that they didn't track until this thread, so I guess 
status quo is OK with me.  Just now, I found that in swapping between 
speaker and phones, I do not feel the need to adjust the sidetone level.


While transmitting ... well, it can be disconcerting to start transmitting 
full QSK and the band noise is so loud you can't hear your sidetone.  But 
as one poster said, you could turn down the AF gain in that case as a 
quick interim cure. During noisy contests, I like the keep the sidetone 
level high.  A dedicated knob would be nice, but not worth the panel space 
for just that function.  I'm well pleased with the ease of accessing both 
pitch and sidetone level -- much easier than on the FT-1000 I sold to buy 
the K3.

Adjust pitch without hearing it?  I can't imagine that.
Bonus opinion:  I like the CCW for less bandwidth of the Width control.

Can I have a little more banjo in the monitor?

73--Nick, WA5BDU


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Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
How about eliminating the tone when pushing either pitch or mon and only 
producint the tone when pushing spot? That seems like a good compromise. 
That way we could change pitch or st level mid-QSO and still have the tone 
available when we want it.

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:21:17 -0500, Nick, WA5BDU wrote:



Adjust pitch without hearing it?  I can't imagine that.



I wasn't suggesting that the ability to adjust sidetone pitch be
eliminated. Merely that we have the additional ability to
interactively adjust the pitch of the received signal. Yes, both
pitches are the same. But as it is now you cannot hear the effect on
the signal itself while adjusting PITCH-- the received audio is cut
off and the sidetone comes on. This makes it difficult to tell what
pitch is optimum for the particular signal and the given reception
conditions.

IOW, I don't really care what the sidetone pitch is-- one is as good
as another. It is the offset pitch of the signal that is important. So
why not be able to adjust it for best copy under current conditions?
We can adjust the volume of a signal while listening to it; so why not
the pitch?  Depending on noise, QRM, keying characteristics, speed,
etc. you might want to alter the pitch for better copy. I think it
would be useful.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

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Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3?

2008-07-26 Thread n4lq

I often hit the band button when I want to turn the rig off. Seems natural
that the power button would be on top. No biggie
Steve Ellington
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The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile
will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing
to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The
only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I
kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it
clockwise...

73,
Drew
AF2Z


I agree  It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for
narrower when the Filter display goes right  I thought I was the only
one that felt this way.
There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get used 
to on this radio!


73HankK8DD
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Antennas in trees

2008-07-25 Thread n4lq

All you need is a dog, a cat and a rifle.

Steve Ellington
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Sorry for the off topic query but a few years ago I saw on this reflector 
a

link to a site which showed a design for a system of two poles and cords
which was used to drop a weight over a tree bow and get further up the 
tree

by stages.

I cannot use a projectile since there is a house immediately behind.

Anybody spotted this design?

Thanks
Martin
M0KWV, K1
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Release Update (MCU 2.20, DSP 1.88)

2008-07-24 Thread n4lq





WOW...It's nice and loud now! Better than ever. 


Steve Ellington
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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Release Update (MCU 2.20, DSP 1.88)


Several customers noticed a problem with noise reduction in yesterday's 
beta release (MCU 2.19/DSP 1.87). This has been corrected, and we've 
changed the revisions to 2.20 / 1.88. The files are available now. See:


  http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] K#: 2.20 / 1.88

2008-07-24 Thread n4lq
In CW mode I see 8db of audio gain with NR engaged. In SSB, a reduction (not 
measured). It depends on what is being processed.

Steve Ellington
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Hate to ask the stupid question but do you have a signal in the passband
when you activate it?  If so are you using it on a CW or SSB signal when
you notice this level reduction?




On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 21:38 -0500, Stan Rife wrote:

Is there an audio gain function for the NR? My audio is
substantially reduced when the NR is engaged. More so if I have an
aggressive setting for the NR?


Stan
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2/100 SN 4216
K3/100 SN 0690



David and Dianne on Comcast wrote:

 Running my SLP at 7 and THR at 6.  I may run it at SLP 8 and THR 5.
 I'm not sure yet.  The linearity of the new SLP function works very 
 well.


 My AF is on high range and running at 9 O'clock position.

 The NR audio level seems much improved and balanced between engaged
 and not engaged, perhaps even a little too loud with NR engaged.  I
 like it.



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Re: [Elecraft] Mode Disable????

2008-07-22 Thread n4lq
I think the modes are arranged in order of popularity with SSB being at the 
top and FM at the bottom.


Steve Ellington
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Dave,

Tell me with a straight face that you never overshoot a mode and end up at
something other then CW/SSB.

Also throw in AM or FM into the mix and now you have 3 modes which are not
sequential.

Besides, your algorithm actually requires one to remember something. 
Since

you can't see the modes you're not in, is the direction up or down?   Mind
clutter is something you learn to avoid as you age.

Up down buttons to me have always been a game of roulette anyhow. 
Sometimes

you stop where you want, sometimes not.

73 de Brian/K3KO





Dave Agsten wrote:


Brian, K3KO wrote:


It's a pain to cycle through

FM/AM just to get from CW/SSB -- since the proper one press direction to
go
isn't something that one should clutter their minds with

My K3 doesn't have to go through AM and FM to get from to get from CW to
SSB. I just press the ^ to go from CW to SSB and the opposite direction 
to
go from SSB back to CW. There are no modes inbetween that you have to 
pass

through. I'm not sure where this problem coming from..

73,
Dave N8AG



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[Elecraft] K3 BCB reception weak

2008-07-17 Thread n4lq
Is sensitivity very low below about 1000khz in the BC band or is it just me? 
It really drops off there and I can only pick up a couple of really strong 
stations below that. I did install the KBF3. Does that attenuate the BC 
band?

I did make sure the ATU was in bypass.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 BCB reception weak

2008-07-17 Thread n4lq

Wow. Thanks Scott. That made all the difference!
I have a real problem here with WHAS on 840khz. This is a 50kw station and 
it totally overloads the K3. I use an ICE BCB filter inline with the rig 
just so it can be used on HF. Some rigs are less affected by this station 
but not the K3. What I really need is a series tuned trap for 840khz but I 
guess that would need to be home brewed and installed in the front end.

Steve Ellington
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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 BCB reception weak


Steve: The K3's PIN diode T/R switch displays quite a bit of attenuation 
in

the broadcast band, especially below about 1 MHz (I've measured 18 dB
attenuation at 500 kHz).

The only solution I'm aware of is to install the KXV3. With the external
antenna input provided on this interface (which bypasses the PIN diode T/R
switch) the K3 is an excellent performer on the BCB.

Scott
N7NB

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Is sensitivity very low below about 1000khz in the BC band or is it just 
me?


It really drops off there and I can only pick up a couple of really strong
stations below that. I did install the KBF3. Does that attenuate the BC
band?
I did make sure the ATU was in bypass.
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[Elecraft] 80m QRN LP-PAN does it's thing

2008-07-09 Thread n4lq
I just completed a cw qso on 80m. Static is running 10 - 20 db over S9 
tonight. There is nearly 1000 miles between us and the other station was 
using a magnetic loop antenna for transmitting made from 18ft. of copper 
pipe, 3ft. above the ground.
Using the K3 under these conditions was rough. I tried every filter and NR 
setting and kept having trouble with static pumping the agc and blipping out 
letters. AGC fast or slow made no difference. I then switched over to the 
LP-PAN which in addition to being a bandscope, functions as my second 
receiver. I was able to copy him perfectly with the LP-PAN, even with it's 
agc on slow, there is no pumping which seems rather strange to me.
Maybe some adjustment to the agc-slp or agc-thr would help. Any suggestions 
for QRN conditions?

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[Elecraft] FS: K1 band module

2008-06-24 Thread n4lq
For sale: KFL1-2, band module for K1. Built for 80 and 20 meters. Assembled, 
working and tested, ready to plug in and go.

I now have the 4 bander and no longer need this.
$65 shipped CONUS.
PayPal accepted.
Reply off list to email address below.
73

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Re: [Elecraft] In The Ham Radio Shack SMT Work What Tools Are Required..?

2008-06-24 Thread n4lq


I have changed a few SMTs and it's not easy no matter what people tell you. 
I used a product called Chip Quick.

Go here: http://www.chipquik.com/
Their solder melts at 135 degrees F., mixes with the original solder and 
makes chip removal much easier. Resoldering is the touchy part! 73


Steve Ellington
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Subject: [Elecraft] In The Ham Radio Shack SMT Work What Tools Are 
Required..?




Hello Good People..!

The title of this post say's it all really..

If one were going to succumb to the inevitable of the future... and 
include

SMT WORK in the Shack in the same way we have undertaken general work with
thru-hole technology...

What Tools WOULD be required..? (In The Shack)

To do a wide varying range of jobs that we see both NOW and possibly in 
the

future..?

I'm sure that everyone here would be VERY interested in folk's out there
ideas ...know-how's
...PICTURES (hint hint !) and website links for sure...

Apologies if this has been discussed previously to this depth... Just
thought it an interesting Thread for everyone involved newbie's And
Pro's alike..

73's
Andy
GM0NWI

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Re: [Elecraft] No field day this year for W0CZ

2008-06-23 Thread n4lq

This is almost as bad as those stupid Katigram things.
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G'day,

And why do the 1000+ worldwide subscribers to this reflector need to be
belaboured by this love-in stuff which has nothing whatsoever to do with
Elecraft products or their use?

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

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| re: Salvation Army... similar experience. I'll add my note of thanks!
|
| Bruce, NM5B

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AFX operation

2008-06-23 Thread n4lq
I could swear that the audio was louder from the left speaker than from the 
right with AFX turned on so I got out my trusty DB meter and measured each 
one. They are identical. I think this is caused by speaker location.


Steve Ellington
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I have recently begun experimenting with my K3's AFX feature...
This is not what I expected. What am I doing wrong?


The K3 does not provide a space based on pitch which is apparently
what you were expecting.  That effect is on the list of things to
consider for the future.

BIN provides a fixed phase shift between the two channels.

DLY provides a fixed (but user selectable) time delay between the two
channels.  I use DLY 3.  Wayne prefers DLY 5.

This is *all* what we call psychoacoustics, mainly because we like to
use 5 syllable words to impress :-)  Different listeners react in
different ways to these settings.  There is no correct one; use what you
prefer, including OFF.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] 250 HZ XFIL QUESTION

2008-06-23 Thread n4lq

Mark
Why did you put that 250hz filter in slot 5 then select filter 2?
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Subject: [Elecraft] 250 HZ XFIL QUESTION


The below applies to cw mode only at this time.

I have a basic K3 2.7hz 100 watt unit.  Tonite I added an 8 pole 250 hz 
filter.  After
installation and software setup it appears that the filter does not work 
when I select
filter 2.  The radio was purchased assembled and the 2.7 hz filter is in 
slot one and

i placed the 250hz filter in slot 5.

However - if I select Dual Passband - the filter appears to work. The 
display shows both
filter skirts and the bandwidth of the received signal is obviously isolated 
by the narrow setting.


My questions are these:  Do I have to use dual passband to use the 2nd 
filter?  Does dual passband use some combination of main filter (2.7) and 
250hz DSP filtering instead of passing the signal thru the first crystal 
filter and then the 250 hz crystal filter?  If I have the
K3 software setup correctly - if I select the 2nd filter - does this bypass 
the 2.7 hz filter and use the 2nd filter; and if so,  why would it appear 
that my 250 hz filter is not passing a signal in this mode while it appears 
that it's passing it in Dual Passband mode.


I'm aware that i've probably phrased my questions incomprehensibly, but I'm 
just wondering
if i'm getting any use out of my 2nd 250hz crystal, or if it's not working 
because of some software setup error i've made or whether it's defective.


Thanks - Mark (N5EAT)
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Re: [Elecraft] Possible 2.02 FW glitch

2008-06-22 Thread n4lq

Try hitting your AB button.
I've had the same symptom after tuning outside of the hambands.

Steve Ellington
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Yes it is on the K3. I have tested it in all modes and it occurs in all of
them. I am not sure if it is related to a certain function I have enabled 
or

not. I will keep digging into it. Let me know if you need further info.

Mike


Bud Semon N7CW wrote:


Mike,

I assume you mean for the K3.  We probably need more info, but on a 
simple

test, mine does not do that.

73, Bud  N7CW

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Ok we will try this again,

While on 160 meters if the VFO B knob is touched, the rig jumps uo to 75
meters. Has anyone else noticed this or can you duplicate it?

Mike N8XPQ

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW

2008-06-21 Thread n4lq

Drew:
I have my sidetone pitch set for 550 Hz. The RX EQ is adjusted so that the 
400 HZ band (button 4) is at +2 and the others above that are all set 
for -16. This eliminated a lot of QRN and other band noise plus gives a 
slight peak near the IF center. Speaker choice will play a roll in this 
decision. 73

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Just curious, has anyone found RX eq to be useful for CW? Just
wondering what settings people like, if not flat.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW

2008-06-21 Thread n4lq

Bud
Nope. When you change from CW to SSB you'll have to redo those EQ settings.

Steve Ellington
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Steve,

Thanks for this insight.  Can the RX EQ be saved per mode, that is, one 
for

SSB and one for CW?

Thanks and 73, Bud  N7CW

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Drew:
I have my sidetone pitch set for 550 Hz. The RX EQ is adjusted so that the
400 HZ band (button 4) is at +2 and the others above that are all set
for -16. This eliminated a lot of QRN and other band noise plus gives a
slight peak near the IF center. Speaker choice will play a roll in this
decision. 73
Steve Ellington
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Just curious, has anyone found RX eq to be useful for CW? Just
wondering what settings people like, if not flat.

73,
Drew
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Re: [Elecraft] SDR processing delays, Flex 5000

2008-06-19 Thread n4lq
The Flex 5000 has a wonderful receiver, great transmitter but those delays 
make QSK impossible. Also, it has a rather loud relay. The Flex is a hobby 
of it's own and many hours can be spent experimenting with all the settings.

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Brian,
Is the Flex 5000 any good on CW? My understanding is that the delays 
through

the processing chain make it impossible to use QSK.

Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
K3-100 #508/ KX1  #1311

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:30:52 -0700
From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR Adapter
To: David Woolley (E.L) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As I understand it, the difficulty is not in feeding the IF into a
Softrock, but in preventing the Softrock feeding its local
oscillator into the K3 and compromising that's performance.


Two words: buffer amp.



Incidentally, the K3 *is* an SDR!


Somewhat. It may be on the inside but to those of us on the outside it
is still a monolithic radio. It is also locked into the processing
power that it now has. It is difficult to take advantage of Moore's
Law the way it is currently designed.

(Moore's Law says that computing power per dollar doubles every 18
months. Anyone buying a PC understands this.)

Also, we can't make changes. We are dependent on Lyle and Wayne to
have the same interest we do in the features we want and we need them
to do the work. This is the disadvantage of a closed environment.

I have been on the fence for quite some time and have finally decided
to go the route of a Flex 5000 instead of a K3. Even tho' I think that
the K3 has a better receiver for traditional modes, I believe that the
open software of the Flex and other hardware like the SoftRock will
end up offering me more in the long run. Yes I give up some in BDR and
IP3 but I get back huge flexibility and expandability with new
modulation schemes. I can even hack the code if I want. So it is more
appealing to the engineer/hacker in me.

But I plan to stick with the K2 as a portable rig. I still really like
that little radio. I would love to see Elecraft open up the code for
the K2.

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Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Auto Notch

2008-06-18 Thread n4lq

Fred
Autonotch is for SSB, not CW. Just push the NTCH button.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I was talking with an average power of 4 Watts from Georgia to a
fellow in Vermont, and a very loud tuner-upper dropped in.

I hit the K3's Auto Notch and he completely disappeared.

The notching was so complete that I turned it off to see if the
tuner-upper had actually quit tuning, or if the Auto-Notch was just
doing a great job.  He hadn't stopped tuning.


OK, how do I get the auto-notch to work?  Mine is either OFF or MANUAL.
I have been thinking it just wasn't implemented yet.  Using MANUAL, it
is truly astounding!

K3 #642
uC: 1.99
d1: 1.76
d2: 00.00
FL: 00.02
dr: 00.00

73

Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] Auto-spot doesn't work in coarse tune mode

2008-06-15 Thread n4lq

Be sure Coarse is not turned on.
Hold in the Fine button.
If coarse is engaged, CWT goes crazy when pushing Spot..

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Is this intended behaviour or a bug?

When I am using coarse tuning mode with CWT enabled and hit the SPOT
button, the search algorithm goes haywire and the transceiver ends up
tuned 5-10 kHz or more off frequency.  This is with firmware rev. 0196.

Al N1AL


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[Elecraft] K3 Utility CW Terminal

2008-06-08 Thread n4lq
The Terminal feature on the utility would make a nice CW keyboard but 
isn't there some way to keep it in transmit mode while I'm typing? As it is 
now, it appears that one must first type some text then select transmit 
inorder to make it send. So close but yet so farOr am I just missing 
something?

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Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available

2008-06-05 Thread n4lq
N4PY software simply provides rig control. Basically its a very nice program 
allows you to totally control your rig via your PC and it cost $65 up front 
and $30 per year thereafter. HRD provides all the above plus all the digital 
modes, PSK, RTTY etc. etc. It's free.


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Can anyone contrast N4PY (paid for) with HRD (free)?

I have limited experience with HRD, but have never
tried N4PY. Also have LP-PAN coming, looking for the
best way to go with respect to software for it.

TIA...


[Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
Don Wilhelm w3fpr at embarqmail.com
Thu Jun 5 09:52:57 EDT 2008


I just received a note from Carl Moreschi N4PY saying
that his N4PY software now includes K3 support.  If
you are interested, you can check it out - his webpage
is www.n4py.com.

73,
Don W3FPR


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Re: [Elecraft] RE: K3 Thoughts

2008-06-01 Thread n4lq
This is all wrong. No one should feel guilty for bringing up problems, 
making suggestions or discussing better ways to make the K3 operate. In 
fact, Elecraft designed the K3 with just this in mind and has already made 
dozens of firmware changes based on Better Ideas.
Therefore, I refuse to accept any of this reprimand and hereby relegate the 
last posting to the scrap heap.
I believe the K3 is without a doubt the best HF rig on the market right now 
and Elecraft will continue improving it based on our experiences and 
contributions. We should not be worried about accusations of whining and 
ME generations. Our complaints and suggestions are being monitored by 
Elecraft. Some can and will be adapted and some will not.
The bandswitch issue is not a deal breaker for me or anyone else I know of. 
Yes, I would have done it differently. I would have just put one knob on the 
front panel for bandswitching instead of the band button. What a nostalgic 
concept! 73

Steve Ellington
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Well said John,

The ME, ME, ME generation is everywhere these days. Unfortunately, that 
includes ham radio. All of the MEs want their own custom K3. I love the 
K3 just the way it is.  I look forward to whatever Wayne, Eric and company 
decide to incorporate into the K3 or other radios in the future. I concede 
the fact that I don't know how to design a radio like the K3. Many on here 
apparently think they could do a better job with their better ideas. I'm 
willing to simply learn how to operate a new radio whether or not it has 
one button band selection, band stacking functions, or size issues, 
etc.etc.etc. So much of it comes across as whining, not constructive 
suggestions. Everyone has the right to make their own choice when 
purchasing a radio. If they don't like their K3, they can sell it and buy 
something that satisfies their ME without having to compromise. ( Good 
luck there!) Maybe these folks should spend more time operatng and less 
whining.


73,
Dave N8AG



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Memories - Band changing etc.

2008-05-30 Thread n4lq

Julian
Don't you need the DVR to make that happen?

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Bill Coleman  N2BC wrote:


I miss dedicated band buttons even though my main rig has been a K2 for
the last couple years.  Using the Quick Memories and M1..M4 work quite
well though.

But (you knew this was coming), the very thing that makes the Quick
Memory function handy can also be its downfall. Try as I might to be
careful, I continue to clobber the memory by pressing VM in error.
Because the 00 - 09 locations are Quick Memories they are overwritten
immediately when the numeric keypad entry is pressed.

I just discovered a new way to abuse the K3 using this system. I 
programmed

my Quick Memories to take me to frequencies in the CW part of each band,
then M1 - M4 to take me to different parts of the band.

So after pressing MV, 5 to take me to 15m (CW) I pressed MV, M3 to go to 
a
different part of the band. Only either I didn't press MV hard enough so 
it

didn't register, or I had a senior moment and didn't press it at all, so I
transmitted the programmed contents of memory 3 at 100W into an untuned
antenna.

If you use the message memories then there is a risk of accidentally
transmitting their contents if you are using the same buttons as per-band
memories as well.

-
Julian, G4ILO  K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ESSB Availability

2008-05-29 Thread n4lq
Oh here we go againStop trolling for flames guys. Now we will start this 
same old argument again. If one is so concerned about how much bandwidth 
they use then switch to QRP CW and forget about SSB.

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Every time I see the term ESSB I see red.  I wonder if these folks
have ever read FCC Part 97.307 (a) Emission Standards:

(a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than
necessary for the information rate and emission type being
transmitted, in accordance with good amateur practice.

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/

Instead of playing wannabe broadcast engineer, why don't these folks
try something really creative, like trying to see how *little*
bandwidth they can use to communicate, instead of how much bandwidth
they can consume?

Icom has a lot of faults (like very misleading advertising) but I do
commend them for limiting the bandwidth of their voice modes.
End of rant.

73,  Bill  W4ZV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bandswitching-My experiences to Date

2008-05-28 Thread n4lq

Dave: (Another fine LQ)
I'd still prefer the ICOM/TenTec method of bandswitch but maybe once we get 
the LP-Pan and PowerSDR running full time, band changing will be 'point and 
click'. I plan to use a dedicated PC for the K3 and a separate PC for 
internet and other forms of entertainment. I know many people who have Flex 
rigs do the same. If this system works as it should, the K3 would like using 
a Flex5000 but with a cw transmitter that works as it should. The LP-PAN 
should provide even more entertainment as a separate receiver although I'm 
not sure how one will switch the tuning between the K3 and the PAN. Perhaps 
this will all come clear once we get these gadgets hooked up.

Steve Ellington
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Hi Everyone,

In hanging around the K3 booth in Dayton this year (some would say I was
'lurking' around the booth) I overheard several K3 prospective owners
pressing Wayne on the absence of dedicated bandswitches and bandstacking
registers.

Having been a user of Icom and Ten Tec gear for many years, I too admit
that this was one of my reservations when first considering my K3
purchase over a year ago.

Now after almost four months of K3 use, I wanted to past a comment
directed at those considering a K3 who believe that this issue may be a
deal breaker.

IMO it is not.

It takes a bit of time and study to adapt to this approach of Elecraft's
UI, but the K3 has some remarkable and flexible alternatives.

Over the years I have never had much use for transceiver memories as
implemented by most JA manufacturers, but he K3' approach to memories
and their flexibility is awesome once you master them. Between general
memories, memories assignable to the number keys and the 'within band'
memories you can quickly replicate something very similar to dedicated
bandswitches. One of the best tutorials on this is found on the K3 Wiki
website. If you have not discovered it you should look it up.

Having now programed the K3's number keys as memories for a portion of
each band and the 'within band' memories (M1-M4) to another portion of
the same band, I have something approaching dedicated bandswitches.  It
took a while to discover how to do this but now changing bands is second
nature. I almost never use the K3 up and down bandswitch any more, The
programmable memories are just that much quicker.

I had a talk with Wayne about this at Dayton. He asked if I would
consider sharing my personal comments on the reflector. Thus my post here.

If at some time in the future when the K3 wish list has shrunken down,
should Elecraft develop an outboard combination keypad/bandswitch along
the lines of what Icom offered for the venerable IC-751A way back, I'm
sure some of us would welcome it but until then I find the use of
programmed memories for bandswitching to be just fine.

My $.02

YMMV

73 de N1LQ-Dave




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[Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor

2008-05-28 Thread n4lq
It seems that without the compressor it is difficult to obtain full SSB 
output. I'm listening to a guy right now on 160m in QSO. He had is 
compression on and as can be expected, was picking up plenty of fan noise 
from his amplifier.  He was advised to turn off the compression. This he 
did and the fan noise went away but he complained about insufficient drive 
to his amp and his K3 was only putting out 38 watts now.
I don't have a decent peak reading wattmeter but I think weak RF output is a 
common complaint. I just wonder if Elecraft expects everyone to run some 
degree of compression? Or are we interpreting the PWR meter on the K3 
incorrectly?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3s in WPX M/S - WOW!

2008-05-27 Thread n4lq
Confused.What is FIR vs. IIR? Can't find it in the manual. When you say 
just these two bandwidths...I thought the FLxBW settings were for the 
crystal filters, not the DSP so how do you change this setting for 50hz when 
it's not even a filter in the menu? Since I have the 200hz filter in slot 4, 
do I change it to IIR on?

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Bob Evans wrote:

  I
never thought I'd be so happy with a 150 Hz filter bandwidth.  Honestly, 
the
100 Hz and 50 Hz bandwidths were useless though as the signal level 
dropped
significantly.  It seemed much better a few firmware versions ago, but 
150
Hz worked fine for us...I was just getting greedy by trying to use the 
100

and 50 Hz BW.


I have just found out that there is a bug that causes a gain reduction
just for these two bandwidths if they are set for FIR filters and not IIR.

You can fix it now by switching IIR ON, and when Elecraft fixes the bug
you can choose either IIR or FIR for these filters as you prefer.

To switch between IIR and FIR, tap '7' on the keypad when you're in any
filter setup menu entry (e.g., CONFIG:FLx BW). You want it to say IIR ON.
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Re: [Elecraft] Built in sound card SR5

2008-05-25 Thread n4lq

Just put SR5.exe in Google. It's the first link that shows up.
Steve Ellington
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Where does one get sr5.exe?

Tnx,

Dick, KA1SA

At 01:55 PM 5/24/2008, you wrote:


Hi,

If you have the latest firmware version, there is a new option in 
CONFIG:LIN
OUT. Normally this is set to nor for normal. Press the 1 (A/B) button 
and
it will change to Phones. The line out will now contain the exact same 
mix

you are hearing in the headphones, so by enabling transmit monitoring, you
will be recording on transmit, too. Beware that the volume control (AF 
gain)

will now affect the line output.

I am not sure what your troubles with setting levels are. If you are 
unsure

if the level is right due to the general lack of any VU metering on PC
recording software, you can use an oscilloscope program (sr5.exe is free) 
to

watch that you are not overdriving the A/D.

Knut - AB2TC

Lee (WW2DX) wrote:

 Hi All,

 Starting to do some recordings direct from the Line out on the K3 to
 the Line in on my Mac.

 I'm having a hard time getting the levels right. I have more work to
 do here so I will post more about that later.

 My question is how does one get the monitor to pass out the Line out?
 I would like to record both sides of the QSO.
 At the moment it seems the monitor gets muted when in TX.

 73 de Lee
 WW2DX
 K3 #464

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[Elecraft] K3 Flat Audio?

2008-05-24 Thread n4lq
Someone kindly mentioned SR5 here so I downloaded it and observed that my 
audio from the K3 had a pronounced peak around 1600 Hz. I compensated for 
this by adjusting the K3's RX equalizer so that EQ (6) is -4db, EQ (7) 
is -4db and EQ (8) is -2db. I now have a flat response across the spectrum. 
QRN is less distracting now. Also, my waterfall on MIxw is nice and even all 
the way across now. This isn't very scientific. I was just using band noise 
to adjust the EQ for a flat response but since band noise is what I'm 
dealing with, I felt it was adequate.
Question is: Has anyone else noticed this? Do you think it's something to do 
with filter shape? Maybe the audio amp. is indeed flat but the filters 
aren't and I'm compensating for them. WhateverI'm just glad there K3 has 
that nice EQ!

N4LQ

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Optimizing TEXT DECode for CW

2008-05-22 Thread n4lq
I tuned in a couple of guys on 40m tonight who were going between 50 - 55 
WPM. I set the decode to 30-90 but it wouldn't decode much of anything 
except a few words now and then. Signals were very strong. No amount of 
tweaking the RF gain or bandwidth helped. No biggie though. Mixw couldn't do 
it either. My ears did fine. Fast code seems to take a bit of time to sync 
up and as soon as the op skips a beat or something, it seems to loose track 
of what it's doing.

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Optimizing TEXT DECode for CW



The K3 TEXT DEC system works well on CW signals that are above the
noise level, but to use it for weaker signals and noisy conditions
requires some understanding and technique. Here's what I learned.

The decoder gets its signal from the same trigger as the CWT indicator
bar. See for yourself -- When your display is in CWT mode, play with
the RF gain so the CWT bar goes on and off. The moment it disappears,
the decoding stops. As soon as the CWT bar flickers with noise, the
decoder TRIES  to read the on/off signal. If the CWT bar is responding
to clean code, you will get good text. If it isn't code,
unfortunately, the decoder tries anyway, and produces junk text.

If the CW signal is audible but is not stronger than the noise, the
CWT bar will flicker from the noise AND the CW, and the decoder will
show too much junk. Once you accept that, you can reduce frustration.

To minimize junk text from QRN, hold TEXT DEC, then adjust threshold
(thr ...) upward until it squelches the CWT bar. Now, The text
decode will work if there is CW signal above the noise.

But now, set the threshold a little lower, slightly too sensitive.
This will allow for varying conditions. When noise works the CWT bar,
reduce the RF GAIN until the bar disappears. This is how to fine-tune
the threshold quickly.

If you get static crashes or other erratic noise triggering the
decode, don't let  IISKSK IEN SKSK distract you.  Watch the CWT bar.
Let THAT tell you when to watch the text -- when it LOOKS like code
rather than noise.

Maybe future firmware will improve the decoder so it will ignore
noise, but for now, this is the best way I have found to use it.

Windy KM5Q
Santa Fe, NM
K3 #764
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Re: [Elecraft] a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread n4lq
I must agree Vic. That Kenwood SM-2xx is a total joke. There is no way to 
use it for finding signals. How one could consider it superior is beyond me. 
And yes...I had one...worthless.

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Charles Harpole wrote:

If u would like a real bandscope with a completely real time
oscilloscope-like trace (as well as a xmas tree), get the SM-220 or
SM-230 from Kenwood.  Probably no longer made, they mate with the
TS-950 and its juniors and really work even when u are turning the
tuning knob.  Likely Kenwood lovers will not part with theirs, so gud
luck on finding one.  No computer needed at all.   This OLD
TECHNOLOGY remains superior to anything I've seen in the new market
today.  Too bad it must mate with such a medium-performing rcvr.


I have to disagree. I had one, and the bandwidth of the filter used is
so wide that it's impossible to distinguish cw signals a few kHz apart.
It definitely does not provide the kind of display found, for example,
on newer ICOM rigs.

I too would like a standalone panadapter (bandscope, whatever) that does
not require a computer, but I don't miss the Kenwood unit.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: stay away from these frequencies

2008-05-19 Thread n4lq

really important to know this. I'll have to aim my rhombic the other way now
Steve Ellington
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Yes. From the ARRL Newsletter:

On Monday, May 12 at 0628 UTC, a magnitude 7.8 earthquake hit Sichuan,
China. The Chinese Radio Sports Association, the Chinese IARU
Member-Society, has designated the following frequencies for emergency
services involved in the rescue: 14.270, 7.050 and 7.060 MHz. The ARRL
encourages US amateurs to be aware of the emergency operations on those
three frequencies.

More at http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/05/13/10095/

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-
According to the scrolling banner on the CQ Magazine home page, the Chinese
are using 7050, 7060, and 14270 for disaster communication. It is urged to
stay clear of these frequencies.

I don't know if this is accurate or not, but why take a chance?  If this was
already posted here, sorry for the duplicate posting.

de Doug KR2Q

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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread n4lq
With the Flex Radio, you don't have a choice. You must use the computer or 
you have no radio. Also, as good as the Flex's receiver is, it can't 
transmit CW worth a hoot and probably never will. It's got a clunky, slow 
and loud relay that will never be capable of satisfying us QSK types. For 
SSB, it is fine.


I would like to see a bandscope adapter with an IF input and VGA output for 
use with a PC monitor. Things get complicated however when you want point 
and click tuning as on the Flex. I guess the adapter needs a mouse port!
I guess the bottom line is: How much would one be willing to pay for this? 
Personally I would pay quiet a bit for a bolt on bandscope. Something as 
good as the Flex bandscope intregated into the K3 would make ICOM look 
second rate.



Steve Ellington
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I alteady sent this, but do not see the postion... so here it is again.


I vote for a stand alone bandscope. I am tied to a computer 8 hours a
day and don't want to be tied to one in my hobby. The IC-756PRO III
stays until the K3 has one.

If we have to have a computer, might as well have a Flex Radio.


Joe  N9VX

K3 #841
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3

2008-05-18 Thread n4lq

Axel
I was the first to respond to your question. I told you that I was listening 
to RTTY through the 200 Hz, 5 pole filter and it worked fine. Then the 
experts came on here and using many words, explained why it couldn't work 
because it is too narrow. Maybe they do not actually have the filter but I 
do.
Looking at the waterfall on MixW, 200Hz filter engaged, a RTTY signal easily 
fits within the waterfall's passband with a little room on either side. The 
vertical stripes of the RTTY signal do not quiet reach the outer edge of the 
waterfall which tells me that the data is not being chopped off. Both weak 
and strong RTTY signals seem perfectly copyable.
No I would not use this in a contest unless I had a bandscope so I could 
find signals. I have ordered the LP-PAN which should take care of that 
little detail.

73

Steve Ellington
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Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3






To all you filter aficionados,

first of all thank you very much for all your detailed answers to my 
original question, which roofing filter ist best for RTTY operation of the 
K3. Lots of very detailed and informative answers were given and even a 
general discussion on this issue among several others was started. But to 
tell you the truth, I am still somewhat uncertain, which filter to order 
with my K3.
One of my theory books about HF technology, modulation, bandwidth and so 
forth, tells me, that the necessary bandwidth for a 170 Hz shift RTTY signal 
should be around 320 Hz. Now some of you guys write, that you are using a 
250 Hz filter for RTTY operation. A 250 Hz filter though has this 250 Hz 
(ok, a few Hz more in reality) bandwidth at - 6dB attenuation, which means 
that the actual bandwidth at about 0 db is even less.
So my understanding for a 170 Hz shift RTTY operation is, to use a filter of 
at least 400 - 500 Hz (at -6dB) in order to get all the information through 
the filter. This I can confirm also with my current OMNI VI+ which does not 
allow me to copy RTTY signals with a 250 Hz filter . So please, where is the 
point which I am missing with the K3, that you can work weak RTTY signals 
with a 250 Hz roofing filter??


Best 73 de

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 1.96 beta issue

2008-05-18 Thread n4lq
Mine sounds perfectly normal in BIN. Levels are the same in any of the AFX 
modes.

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Hi folks,

Have recently loaded the latest Beta software (1.96) and all appears
well barring an issue with the AFX (bin) setting. See the text of my
message to Elecraft support below - wonder if anyone can check this
while the Aptos team are perhaps busy at Dayton.

 Quote.
Just noticed a SEVERE drop in audio level when switching in AFX BIN
while using the headphones; not totally silent but extremely low and
clearly not right. Selecting one of the DELAY* settings produces normal
audio levels.
.end quote 


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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3

2008-05-18 Thread n4lq
I'm using DATA A mode. Contrary to the manual, the Dual Tone RTTY filter 
will not activate in DATA A mode. When attempted, the display shows N/A.
To use the DTF, I changed to AFSK A mode. This allows the DTF to work 
however the center frequency of the IF changes from 1500Hz to 1356Hz. I will 
notify Elecraft about these.
As far as copying RTTY with the 200hz filter and DTFIt appears to work 
fine. The only difference I could detect on the waterfall with DTF turned on 
is the obvious hole between the filter peaks.


Steve Ellington
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Please turn on the K3 dual peak RTTY filter and tell us what you see then.
Brian/K3KO


n4lq wrote:


Axel
I was the first to respond to your question. I told you that I was
listening
to RTTY through the 200 Hz, 5 pole filter and it worked fine. Then the
experts came on here and using many words, explained why it couldn't work
because it is too narrow. Maybe they do not actually have the filter but 
I

do.
Looking at the waterfall on MixW, 200Hz filter engaged, a RTTY signal
easily
fits within the waterfall's passband with a little room on either side.
The
vertical stripes of the RTTY signal do not quiet reach the outer edge of
the
waterfall which tells me that the data is not being chopped off. Both
weak
and strong RTTY signals seem perfectly copyable.
No I would not use this in a contest unless I had a bandscope so I could
find signals. I have ordered the LP-PAN which should take care of that
little detail.
73

Steve Ellington
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Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:14 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3






To all you filter aficionados,

first of all thank you very much for all your detailed answers to my
original question, which roofing filter ist best for RTTY operation of 
the

K3. Lots of very detailed and informative answers were given and even a
general discussion on this issue among several others was started. But to
tell you the truth, I am still somewhat uncertain, which filter to order
with my K3.
One of my theory books about HF technology, modulation, bandwidth and so
forth, tells me, that the necessary bandwidth for a 170 Hz shift RTTY
signal
should be around 320 Hz. Now some of you guys write, that you are using a
250 Hz filter for RTTY operation. A 250 Hz filter though has this 250 Hz
(ok, a few Hz more in reality) bandwidth at - 6dB attenuation, which 
means

that the actual bandwidth at about 0 db is even less.
So my understanding for a 170 Hz shift RTTY operation is, to use a filter
of
at least 400 - 500 Hz (at -6dB) in order to get all the information
through
the filter. This I can confirm also with my current OMNI VI+ which does
not
allow me to copy RTTY signals with a 250 Hz filter . So please, where is
the
point which I am missing with the K3, that you can work weak RTTY signals
with a 250 Hz roofing filter??

Best 73 de

Axel, DL3ZH



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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3

2008-05-18 Thread n4lq
Yes but it won't change the center fq. to 1500Hz so it will be like DATA A. 
I'm not sure what the purpose of changing the pitch is.


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You can change the MARK freq in AFSK A mode to one of four values
ranging from 915 Hz to 2125 Hz by pressing PITCH and rotating the VFO A
knob which, of course, will change the center frequency accordingly.

73,
Ken K3IU

n4lq wrote:

To use the DTF, I changed to AFSK A mode. This allows the DTF to work
however the center frequency of the IF changes from 1500Hz to 1356Hz.
I will notify Elecraft about these.







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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3

2008-05-18 Thread n4lq

Bear with me on this KenIt's long but hopefully I can explain.:

By the same tokenI can see no reason why the center frequency of DATA A 
and AFSK A should be different.
Most advanced digital mode programs such as MixW have something similar to 
an Align macro. You tell the macro what you filter's center frequency is 
then whenever you click on that macro it instantly tunes your K3 so that the 
desired trace on your waterfall is exactly centered in the IF passband. You 
can then choose your most narrow filter and that signal will still be in the 
IF's center. I have a macro for the filter selection too so everything is 
really fast and easy.

Here's how it works for me.
1. K3 filter set on very wide3+ KHZ.
2. See signal on waterfall.
3. Click on signal.
4. Begin to copy data on screen.
5. Signal is weak, QRM, need narrow filter.
6. Click on Align macro. Signal is now centered in passband.
7. Click on filter macro, choosing 200Hz filter.
8. QRM gone...Signal now easy to copy.

Now this was all in DATA A mode. I use DATA A for PSK31, MFSK and anyother 
digital mode.
So what if I want to operate RTTY? Well I can go ahead and do so in DATA A 
mode however that DUAL FIL feature will not activate. Is this a flaw?
So I got to AFSK ANow DUAL FIL works but now my ALIGN macro won't work 
because my IF Center is different. It should not be1500 HZ should be the 
default. If I wanted to use 910 HZ and enjoy that low pitch sound, I would 
have to either change my Align macro or try to manually tune the RTTY signal 
which is terribly difficult, especially in a contest when transmissions last 
for only a few seconds.





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As far as I know, the reason for having the capability of changing the
Mark freq is for personal preference in what you like to listen to. The
Dual PB filter works at whatever frequency you select. I can think of no
reason why AFSK A and DATA A modes would necessarily have to be the same.

I'm not sure why you want to change the center frequency to specifically
1500 HZ in AFSK A mode. I sure wouldn't... that's too high for my ears.
I prefer the lower mark frequency of 915 Hz. The software that is
decoding the signal sure doesn't care and it doesn't make any difference
to what you are sending.

But as they say here ofter YMMV.

73,
Ken K3IU
~
n4lq wrote:

Yes but it won't change the center fq. to 1500Hz so it will be like
DATA A. I'm not sure what the purpose of changing the pitch is.

Steve Ellington
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You can change the MARK freq in AFSK A mode to one of four values
ranging from 915 Hz to 2125 Hz by pressing PITCH and rotating the VFO A
knob which, of course, will change the center frequency accordingly.

73,
Ken K3IU

n4lq wrote:

To use the DTF, I changed to AFSK A mode. This allows the DTF to work
however the center frequency of the IF changes from 1500Hz to 1356Hz.
I will notify Elecraft about these.








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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3

2008-05-18 Thread n4lq
Ok Ken but that's with a BW of 150Hz, not too critical. Soon, I am told, 
Elecraft will activate the 50Hz filter so it can be used in Data mode. I 
suggested to Lyle that they change the default center fq. in AFSK to 1500 so 
it will match Data A then let the user change as desired. Then also allow 
use of the Dual PB feature in Data A. That should perfect things. Then I 
would not even bother using AFSK A.


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OK... thanks Steve. I am familiar with MixW... have used it for years
and I see what you are talking about. But let me suggest the
following... Go to AFSK A mode and set the mark frequency to 1445. That
will give you a center frequency of 1530 which would put you within 30
Hz of your align frequency of 1500 Hz. If signal is still a l'il off,
then use mouse to get it on or let the AFC move it on. I just tried it
on a PSK signal with my filter cranked down as narrow as it would go in
Data Mode and it hardly missed a beat decoding.

73,
Ken K3IU

n4lq wrote:

Bear with me on this KenIt's long but hopefully I can explain.:

By the same tokenI can see no reason why the center frequency of
DATA A and AFSK A should be different.
Most advanced digital mode programs such as MixW have something
similar to an Align macro. You tell the macro what you filter's
center frequency is then whenever you click on that macro it instantly
tunes your K3 so that the desired trace on your waterfall is exactly
centered in the IF passband. You can then choose your most narrow
filter and that signal will still be in the IF's center. I have a
macro for the filter selection too so everything is really fast and easy.
Here's how it works for me.
1. K3 filter set on very wide3+ KHZ.
2. See signal on waterfall.
3. Click on signal.
4. Begin to copy data on screen.
5. Signal is weak, QRM, need narrow filter.
6. Click on Align macro. Signal is now centered in passband.
7. Click on filter macro, choosing 200Hz filter.
8. QRM gone...Signal now easy to copy.

Now this was all in DATA A mode. I use DATA A for PSK31, MFSK and
anyother digital mode.
So what if I want to operate RTTY? Well I can go ahead and do so in
DATA A mode however that DUAL FIL feature will not activate. Is this a
flaw?
So I got to AFSK ANow DUAL FIL works but now my ALIGN macro won't
work because my IF Center is different. It should not be1500 HZ
should be the default. If I wanted to use 910 HZ and enjoy that low
pitch sound, I would have to either change my Align macro or try to
manually tune the RTTY signal which is terribly difficult, especially
in a contest when transmissions last for only a few seconds.




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Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3



As far as I know, the reason for having the capability of changing the
Mark freq is for personal preference in what you like to listen to. The
Dual PB filter works at whatever frequency you select. I can think of no
reason why AFSK A and DATA A modes would necessarily have to be the
same.

I'm not sure why you want to change the center frequency to specifically
1500 HZ in AFSK A mode. I sure wouldn't... that's too high for my ears.
I prefer the lower mark frequency of 915 Hz. The software that is
decoding the signal sure doesn't care and it doesn't make any difference
to what you are sending.

But as they say here ofter YMMV.

73,
Ken K3IU
~
n4lq wrote:

Yes but it won't change the center fq. to 1500Hz so it will be like
DATA A. I'm not sure what the purpose of changing the pitch is.

Steve Ellington
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3



You can change the MARK freq in AFSK A mode to one of four values
ranging from 915 Hz to 2125 Hz by pressing PITCH and rotating the
VFO A
knob which, of course, will change the center frequency accordingly.

73,
Ken K3IU

n4lq wrote:

To use the DTF, I changed to AFSK A mode. This allows the DTF to work
however the center frequency of the IF changes from 1500Hz to 1356Hz.
I will notify Elecraft about these.









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Re: [Elecraft] Help with cheap headset and K2

2008-05-18 Thread n4lq

Bill
My warranty only covers use with the K3. :*)
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Subject: [Elecraft] Help with cheap headset and K2




Just for grins I bought a cheap Cyber Acoustics computer headset to use 
with
my K3 when it arrives.  Others have said they got good reports with their 
K3

and this headset which uses an electret mic and a 3.5MM stereo mini plug.
Not wanting to cut off the plug which fits into the back of the K3 I made 
up
an adapter for my K2 using an inline stereo jack, an 8 pin mike plug and a 
9
volt battery through a 5K resistor to power the mic.  My K2 is wired for 
the

Kenwood mics and I don't want to power the mic from the rig.  I wired the
grounds to the base of the plug, 9V DC through the 5K resistor to the 
middle

and the mic positive to the tip.  It works but my reports with the K2 have
not been very good.  I also made up an adapter for my Drake TR7 and 
reports

on that rig are fine.
Am I doing something wrong with the K2?  I know little about electret mics
and maybe I am using too much voltage or the wrong resistor.  Any help 
would

be greatly appreciated.
If I can't get it to work the headset was only about $15 shipped so no big
deal.

73 Bill NZ0T
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Re: [Elecraft] RE: Dayton 2008 and IC7200

2008-05-18 Thread n4lq
That's a wonderful idea Henry. It would be a great option for Elecraft or 
even a 3rd party. The K3 lends it'self to that kind of expansion since it's 
got those machine screws all over it. Actuall, a front firing speaker on 
each side for stereo rx would be even better.

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I like those handles on the ends and the built-in front firing speaker.

The handles would be a nice option for the k3.

And a 4 to 5 inch wide (0.5EC-3) cabinet could hold a nice front firing
speaker and a switching power supply.  If this could be attached to the K3 
side


panel and then add some rack-panel handles, you would have a nice 19-inch 
wide

rack panel package.

73,
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[Elecraft] test ignore

2008-05-16 Thread n4lq

I keep getting bounced. This is a test.
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] LINE IN not working

2008-05-15 Thread n4lq
Line in still works on mine after loading beta 1.96.Be sure MD is set for 
DATA A.


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Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] LINE IN not working



Hi friends,

I've got a problem with the line in of my K3. I've tried AFSK and PSK
and i'm not able to have the TX transmit any audio.

- The soundcard sends audio on the right output (i've tried to plug some
speakers)
- This output is tied to K3 line in jack with a tested cable
- I've tried various CONFIG on the K3 (mic sel as line in or rear plug
with both inputs enabled)
- It was working before.

Do you think the formware update may have changed something ? Or has my
K3 become defective ?

73

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Re: [Elecraft] Very Dissatisfied With Elecraft Support

2008-05-15 Thread n4lq

Jon
I'm sure theres plenty of guys here that would be more than happy to help 
you get it going if you don't mind sending it to them. I have a K1 and would 
be glad to help you want to ship it to KY. There may be someone closer to 
your QTH.

That kit is a bit much for someone unfamiliar with electronics.

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Subject: [Elecraft] Very Dissatisfied With Elecraft Support


I ordered a K1 based that They all . have built-in test equipment to 
simplify alignment and
testing (from the Elecraft web site).  Now -- according to Elecraft 
support -- I have to source
obsolete parts from China, buy drill equipment and copper bathroom pipe, 
and rip apart my

television (or my computer) to cannibalize printed circuit boards.

Either that or buy an oscilloscope that would cost me more than the K1.

I'm building a 2 band K1 -- 40 meters (band 1) and 20 meters (band 2). 
During receiver alignment,
Band 1 (40 meters) seems to be working fine.  Band 2 (20 meters) however, 
does nothing.


The support guys are telling me that I have to build an RF probe for 
further testing, and they've
pointed me to a schematic in the K1 user manual and told me to go build 
the probe from scratch.
That's about as useful to me as pointing me to the schematic of the K1 and 
telling me to go build

the K1 from scratch.

I'm a new ham (March, 2008).  I'm not a home electronic hobbyist.  I don't 
have test equipment.  I
have no experience at homebrew, nor do I have the knowledge to do so. I 
bought the K1 as a starter

to get my feet wet in working electronics.

After a number of emails with support about how to build an RF probe (a 
question that was
repeatedly ignored), I was finally referred to a couple of different web 
sites:


-  The first site starts out with . using an old piece of double-sided 
printed circuit board that

you have in your junk bin ..

Where exactly do I have double-sided printed circuit board sitting around? 
Do I hacksaw off a
hunk from my television or from my computer?  Radio Shack doesn't sell it, 
nor does Mouser.


-  The next site also wants me to use double-sided printed circuit board, 
plus they want me to

insert it into a copper pipe and drill holes through the pipe.

Rght . so in other words I have to go out and buy a drill that's 
capable of drilling through
copper.  And I have to buy the copper pipe and end caps.  Will I have to 
get the pipe threaded in

order to mount the end caps?

-  Then there's the site that built the RF probe inside a ball-point pen. 
The author of that site
admitted that it took him a number of tries before he was able to build it 
without breaking the

diode, and that this is a project for the more advanced hobbyist.

It also turns out that nobody carries the diode specified by the schematic 
(1N34A).  According to
Mouser, it's obsolete and out of stock, but if I want to pay a couple of 
hundred bucks, they'll
gladly source it from China.  Mouser will sell me something that they 
claim is a replacement for
the 1N34A, but all of the web sites I've been referred to tell me not to 
use that specific

replacement.

I bought a kit because it comes with all the parts, has a pre-built 
chassis, has pre-drilled
holes, and includes complete and well-thought out instructions on how to 
mount everything  -- as

well as a commitment to provide support during the construction process.

Maybe in two or three years I'll have the experience to build my own RF 
probe, but in the meantime
I'm stuck with a K1 that I can't finish without an RF probe, and there's 
no way that I can build

an RF probe without a trip to China.

Anybody want a mostly complete K1?  Make me an offer -- I'll even throw in 
shipping.


Jon
KB1QBZ



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Questions

2008-05-15 Thread n4lq
Confusion still reins about the front panel mic. jack. The manual says pin 6 
has 8v. This post says 5v when BIAS is on. So I measured it.

Front Panel Mic. Jack:
Pin 2 (PTT) has 5V no matter if BIAS is on or off.
Pin 6 has 8 V always on.

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Questions



1. How many volts is the mic bias?


Rear Panel: 8V when BIAS is on.
Front Panel: 5V when BIAS is on.
Front Panel Mic Jack pin 6: 8V always on.

2. Why does the filter selection always end in 5 (2.65, 2.75, 2.85  
etc)?


The filter system is currently handled in 50 Hz steps.  Might change in a
future firmware rev.

3. Can the Absolute S Meter function be set to ignore the RF Gain 
setting?


It always takes the IF AGC control voltage into account.  Since that 
voltage
could be generated by a signal or the RF Gain control, the S Meter assumes 
it

is a signal and applies it to the calculation.

73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: [Elecraft] Very Dissatisfied With Elecraft Support

2008-05-15 Thread n4lq

Keep in mind. The IN34 will only ship one way.
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On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The K2 does come with parts to build up an RF Probe, and a replacement 
kit
is available from Elecraft for $10 - the kit designation is RFPROBE and 
can

be found in the K2 spare parts section of the website. Caution: This is a
kit of parts only (no instructions), but is not difficult at all.


The instructions can be found in the K2 manual, which is downloadable
from the Elecraft web site.
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/ELECRAFT%20K2%20Owner's%20Manual%20Rev%20G%20WEB.pdf

PDF page 155 (appendix E, Troubleshooting, appendix E page 9)


support -- I have to source
obsolete parts from China, buy drill equipment and copper bathroom pipe,
and rip apart my
television (or my computer) to cannibalize printed circuit boards.


If you want Jon, I will send you a Germanium diode (1N34A or
equivalent) and a piece of scrap-sized copper coated circuit board. I
will even include the capacitor and resistor.

The half inch copper pipe is readily available from home building
supply stores such as Home Depot, Lowes, etc. These end caps are
normally soldered with a propane torch, which is reasonable cheap and
also available from a building centre. But that was merely one
suggested possible case, based on what the builder had available.

-Michael, VE3TIX
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Filter for K3

2008-05-15 Thread n4lq

Axel:
I am watching RTTY right now and using the 200 Hz 5 pole filter. The 170 HZ 
shift fits perfectly within the passband.


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Hi K3-folks,

What would be the best RTTY roofing filter for the K3? Is the 400Hz 8-pole 
filter too small and the 500Hz 5-pole filter the better choice?


Thanks in advance for your answers.

73 de

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[Elecraft] K3 Serial Commands?

2008-05-15 Thread n4lq
I'm trying to configure Mixw macros so it will send commands to select 
various filters, FL2 etc
The Programmer's Reference isn't much help to me. I was able to interpet 
the commands for my IC-7800 easily but this has me stumped. Can someone help 
me get started by telling me the command format for one of the filters?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Serial Commands?

2008-05-15 Thread n4lq
That didn't help. I tried entering FW4 and nothing happens as if nothing 
is being sent. There must be something that preceeds the command. The manual 
keeps mentioning GET and SETAre you supposed to enter that somewhere?

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Steve,

Look at the FW commamd in the KIO2 Programmer's Reference.

73,
Don W3FPR

n4lq wrote:

I'm trying to configure Mixw macros so it will send commands to select
various filters, FL2 etc
The Programmer's Reference isn't much help to me. I was able to
interpet the commands for my IC-7800 easily but this has me stumped.
Can someone help me get started by telling me the command format for
one of the filters?

Steve Ellington
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Re: [Elecraft] Heil Proset Plus and K3

2008-05-15 Thread n4lq
Wow. It would be interesting to know how that managed to work. The IC means 
the headset is wired for ICOM then with a Kenwood adapter to an Elecraft 
mic. jack with the bias on the wrong pin. (8) instead of (5) as etc.

I'm glad it works but not sure why.

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I am using the Proset marked IC which came from Elecraft with my new K3.
Inside the instructions said it was for the K2 but I think that was 
printed

before the K3 was around.  It has a short Kenwood (red) 8 pin adaptor.  It
works fine plugged into the front mike connector with the mike bias turned
on.  Currently the bias is set to high but I understand it will also work
with the bias set to low.

Bruce - W8FU

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Is anyone using a Heil Pro Set Plus IC with a HC-4 and iC electret element
with their K3? How did it play? I understand that a Heil Kenwood adaptor
(red) is needed to interface with the 8-pin microphone connector on the
front of the K3. Is rewiring of the 8-pin Kenwood connector required?
Advice/comments regarding setup appreciated.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Serial Commands?

2008-05-15 Thread n4lq
IF someone would just give me one command in the proper syntax I think i 
could figure this out. I read the manual but it's really vague.

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Steve,

I suggest that you read the entire Programmer's Reference paying
particular attention to the command syntax.  There is more to it than
just entering the command itself.  During that reading process, you
should then understand GET and SET.   Try a few commands from a terminal
program first to get a feel for the syntax and command usage.
After that, review your logging application to see if it automatically
adds anything to that which you enter into the macro - if it does, that
will have to be taken into consideration.

73,
Don W3FPR

n4lq wrote:

That didn't help. I tried entering FW4 and nothing happens as if
nothing is being sent. There must be something that preceeds the
command. The manual keeps mentioning GET and SETAre you supposed
to enter that somewhere?
Steve Ellington
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Steve,

Look at the FW commamd in the KIO2 Programmer's Reference.

73,
Don W3FPR

n4lq wrote:

I'm trying to configure Mixw macros so it will send commands to select
various filters, FL2 etc
The Programmer's Reference isn't much help to me. I was able to
interpet the commands for my IC-7800 easily but this has me stumped.
Can someone help me get started by telling me the command format for
one of the filters?

Steve Ellington
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Windows XP SP3 :(

2008-05-14 Thread n4lq

Microsoft introduced SP3 in order to kill XP and make it easier for
corporate Americal to recommend the change to VISTA.
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This is not a particularly good comparison.  Windows is enormously
more complicated than the firmware used to drive the K3, and in
addition, it has to support an almost unlimited combination of
hardware.

I consider it practically a miracle that Windows works as well as it
does, but the complexity has not been lost on many video game
publishers, who have retreated to the more static game consoles.

73,

Steve NN4X



Even with Microsoft's vast resources they can't release bug free updates.
Worth thinking about the next time a K3 software update breaks 
something...

-
Julian, G4ILO  K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392

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Re: Re[Elecraft] ceiver distortion

2008-05-12 Thread n4lq
Rotating my RFG counter clockwise caused the meter to peg at the 3 dot on 
the knob scale. Something is wrong there.


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I did a quick test using my K3 and 756ProIII.  With an input of S9+40dB and
the K3's Rx frequency set to 14.20, I set the signal generator for
14.201500 (for a 1500Hz tone).

The K3 seems to have about the same max output whether using the Line Out 
or
Speaker Out (on the rear of the radio), and it is less than +/- 8000 
(using

Adobe Audition.

My 756ProIII has a Line Out of greater than +/- 14000.

Of course when the waveform starts clipping, you can hear the distortion,
which I can also see on the Adobe Audition frequency analysis display.

BTW, when I rotate the RF GAIN control on my K3 full counter-clockwise, it
doesn't make it up to S9+60db!  Anybody else notice this?  As a result, a
50mV input will not show S9+60dB.


John
N2KBE

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n4lq wrote:


The K3 has the cleanest receive audio I've see thusfar.


I'm likewise a bit skeptical (but I could be wrong) about the alleged K3
rx
audio issues.  My experience is that the K3 rx audio is more 
transparent

and thus any problems with the other guy's audio will be glaringly
apparent
with the K3.  This might be what some people are hearing - the bad 
signals

are going to sound badder on the K3.  The K3 rx is less forgiving
because you are hearing better.  I do seem to be noticing how bad most
signals sound on 20M ssb lately, although there is the occasional smooth
sounding signal.  I routinely A/B with my Orion to confirm what I'm
hearing.

Perhaps folks who are reporting audio issues with the latest firmware can
make some WAV recordings that we can listen to, with the good and bad
firmware versions.

73,
Barry N1EU

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 BETA FIRMWARE RELEASE -- MCU rev 1.94

2008-05-12 Thread n4lq
I have to agree that the CWT worked better under the old firmware but I 
think I'll put up with it until it's fixed rather than go back to an older 
version.
I'm using the beta firmware now and notice less bouncing around of the CWT 
indicator but it still locks in on the wrong frequency unless you punch it 
multiple times.


Steve Ellington
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Unfortunately I see little improvement in the CW auto-spot feature,
broken in the last release. It is still much less accurate than the
original algorithm, and less consistent in it's behavior.

Try this - tune in a good steady (S6 or S7) cw signal. Set tuning to
FINE, enable CWT and then press SPOT repeatedly, observing the
frequency display. The beta version (like 1.88) settles on a
considerably different frequency almost every time - moving 5 Hz or
more commonly, and sometimes as much as 20 Hz or more. There is a
tendency to tune low. The original version, on the other hand, rarely
moves more than 1 or 2 Hz with each auto-spot invocation, bearing out
the fact that it is more accurate in general, or less likely to get
confused (by noise, varying morse code speed etc.).

Since I have two K3 units here, I set one up with 1.78/1.58 and the
other with the beta firmware, and then compared their auto-spot
behavior side by side on the same received signal using an antenna
switch. The difference is quite pronounced. Here are some series of
freqs (last three digits) resulting from 10 successive invocations of
auto-spot on the same steady S7 signal on 40 meters (at 13 wpm or so,
fortunately a long winded transmission):

v178/158 (TEXT DEC threshold = AUTO)
125, 125, 125, 129, 130, 130, 127, 128, 129, 129

beta (TEXT DEC threshold = AUTO)
115, 118, 124, 079 (!), 106, 106, 124, 107, 112, 100

beta (TEXT DEC threshold = 5)
124, 123, 109, 116, 118, 122, 117, 116, 120, 123

The newer firmware version tends to bounce around more with a
tendency to tune low, often requiring multiple invocations of
auto-spot to hit the right pitch, whereas the original algorithm
generally tunes right the first time. With threshold set to 5 in the
beta version auto-spot is a bit better, but all too often it takes
multiple tries to hit the right pitch, as it still tends low. If I set
the threshold much higher, it doesn't want to tune at all for signals
that the original algorithm handled easily.

I'm not sure what the improvements to auto-spot introduced in 1.88
were supposed to do, but IMO the feature is still negatively affected
by the attempt. A side by side comparison of the two versions, on the
same signal, is very revealing in this case  -  can someone else try
this?

Too bad, since I use the feature a lot it's back to 1.78/1.58 for now.
It just works.

Bob NW8L



On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:08 PM, wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks to your input on the last firmware release (1.88), we've made a
number of important improvements.

For the first time, we're posting new firmware as beta. Upgrading is
optional: if you want to minimize your risk, you might want to wait until
we've blessed it as a normal production firmware release. (Or until all 
your

friends have it and you're a little jealous.)

We'd love to have as many thrill-seekers as possible take the plunge and
load the new firmware now. We think it's greatly improved, and it will
certainly clear up many of the issues noted over the past week. Even 
though
we're headed to Dayton in a couple of days, we'll be monitoring closely 
for

any additional issues.

For release notes and instructions on how to load beta firmware, please 
see:


 http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm

The instructions (linked from within the release notes) explain how to
create a separate folder for the beta revision. This will allow you to
easily revert to an older revision if you find it necessary. Hopefully 
not!


For your convenience I've also provide the release notes below.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

MCU 1.94 / DSP 1.73, 5-12-08

 * VOX: Increased sensitivity. Typical VOX GN settings now ~30-50.

 * VOICE MONITOR: Eliminated scratchy artifacts with compression set to
high levels.

 * FM DEVIATION ADJUSTABLE:  Use CONFIG:FM DEV menu entry (default: 5.0
kHz).

 * Flash memory driver improved to prevent occasional receive dropouts, 
ERR

PL1, and
   FPF LOAD PENDING messages.

 * XMIT SWITCH IN MENU: Tapping XMIT while in menu correctly starts/ends
transmit.

 * PASSBAND SHIFT BELOW 0.00 CORRECTED: The SHIFT control no longer 
allows

   continued rotation below 0.00. (This was occurring only with sidetone
pitch  500 Hz.)

 * SQUELCH/RF GAIN CONTROL CHANGES: By default, the RF/SQL concentric 
pots

   control main and subreceiver RF gain, and squelch is controlled by two
CONFIG menu
  

Re: [Elecraft] no transmit on K3

2008-05-11 Thread n4lq
Sometimes one of the front panel connector pins don't line up and that 
breaks the mic connection. If you have a computer mic hand, plug it into the 
rear panel, change the menu and see if that works. That would be rP.L 
Bias...in the menu. This will narrow down the problem.

Steve Ellington
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Subject: [Elecraft] no transmit on K3



I'm trying two different mics to transmit with.
One is a Kenwood hand mic from a Kenwood 570D
and the other is a Heil Pro Set Plus with an 8pin
Kenwood mic adapter.  I haven't had any luck when even
trying to set up my levels for transmitting.  I cannot get any bar
to show up or move on the ALC or Compression when keying down.
I have tried with the compression as high a 30 and the mic gain as high
as 60 but no movement, whether in TX Test or regular TX mode.

I feel like I am forgetting to change one setting somewhere,
if that is what the problem is.

I put the K3 together myself and don't know if something could
have been done wrong there, but after looking again and again
in the manual, I just don't know what else to try.

Any suggestions, even to go and check basic settings will be
appreciated.  Please reply offline.

Thanks

Rem
k6bbq
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Re: [Elecraft] Computer Speakers

2008-05-11 Thread n4lq
NopeAnd a Y connector doesn't work too well either. The low impedance 
speaker output of the K3 will swamp the computer's higher impedance output 
resulting in weak audio from the computer. A switching arrangement or some 
kind of mixer would work. Otherwise you will need separate speakers for your 
K3. I'm using a Logitech THX speaker system for both the PC and K3 and am 
manually switching between the sources.

N4LQ
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Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Speakers


Anyone,
I will soon be receiving my K3 and I do have a question.

Normally my computer line out connects to my computer speakers.  When I get 
my K3 is there a speaker connection on the K3 that will also output audio 
out from the computer such as when not using the radio but still using the 
computer?


Or do I have to get a stereo Y connector at the line out connection on the 
K3?


Many thanks in advanced.

Dave KD1NA
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Re: [Elecraft] Receiver distortion

2008-05-11 Thread n4lq

Gary
Tell us about your speaker system. The K3 has the cleanest receive audio 
I've see thusfar.


Steve Ellington
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Subject: [Elecraft] Receiver distortion



Greetings All,

lately I have noticed that sometimes the main receiver sounds distorted 
when
signals are not even very strong (S5-7) without having Notch, NR, NB or 
wide

filter active and AGC is on slow.

I am curious if anyone else has experienced this audio degradation?

I have had a play while this is happening with the width, Hi and Lo cut,
shift and volume but it appears to have little effect. The NB is not used.

Regards,
Gary
#679
K3/100
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - A complete BAND SWITCHING scheme using 33 memories

2008-05-10 Thread n4lq
That is a wonderful concept. Doesn't the Pegasus/Jupiter and Flex have such 
a feature?


Steve Ellington
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memories




It would be really sweet if the K3 Utility  program had a way to set up
memories on the computer and download them to the  K3.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - A complete BAND SWITCHING scheme using 33 memories

2008-05-10 Thread n4lq

Don
I was thinking  of an application similar to Kenwood's ARCP-480 as part of 
the K3 Utility. ARCP-480 provides PC access to all menu settings in the 
TS-480, allowing such things as custom filter configuration and memory 
entry. Once you have it configured on your screen, you just dump it into the 
480 and your're done.


Steve Ellington
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Steve,

If something like that is offered as a feature, then it is likely fixed
in place.

Consider that Elecraft has offered the capability to do the same thing,
and you can set it up the way YOU want instead of having to live with
what the manufacturer thought you might like.

73,
Don W3FPR

n4lq wrote:

That is a wonderful concept. Doesn't the Pegasus/Jupiter and Flex have
such a feature?








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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - A complete BAND SWITCHING scheme using 33 memories

2008-05-10 Thread n4lq

Dunno Joe but I just tried ARCP and it won't talk to the K3.
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I was thinking  of an application similar to Kenwood's
ARCP-480 as part of the K3 Utility. ARCP-480 provides
PC access to all menu settings in the TS-480, allowing
such things as custom filter configuration and memory
entry.


Gee ... if the programming interface were changed to have
the ID command return 020 instead of 017 it might be
possible to use ARCP-480 with the K3 G.   I don't know
if ACRCP requires the AS command (missing in K3).

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV




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Don
I was thinking  of an application similar to Kenwood's
ARCP-480 as part of
the K3 Utility. ARCP-480 provides PC access to all menu
settings in the
TS-480, allowing such things as custom filter configuration
and memory
entry. Once you have it configured on your screen, you just
dump it into the
480 and your're done.

Steve Ellington
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To: n4lq [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - A complete BAND SWITCHING scheme
using 33
memories


 Steve,

 If something like that is offered as a feature, then it is likely
 fixed in place.

 Consider that Elecraft has offered the capability to do the same
 thing, and you can set it up the way YOU want instead of having to
 live with what the manufacturer thought you might like.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 n4lq wrote:
 That is a wonderful concept. Doesn't the Pegasus/Jupiter and Flex
 have such a feature?



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[Elecraft] K3 cheap mic

2008-05-10 Thread n4lq
I have been testing a few mics today and several stations have gone out of 
their way to report how excellent this cheap headset sounds. In fact, one 
guy said it sounded better than a Heil PR40. I worked with a local ham to 
adjust the TX EQ. +3db of #5 and +6db of #6 were added and the CMP set at 
18.
I keep the headset plugged into the rear mic and headphone jack. In the 
menu, I set SPKR+PH to Yes. I'm using an amplified speaker system which has 
it's own volume control. When using the headset, I simply turn down the 
speake volume. I use a foot switch plugged into the PTT jack on the rear of 
the K3.

Note that these also have an in-line volume and mute control. Very handy!

Here's the link to Cyber Acoustics AC-400. $15
http://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Acoustics-AC-400-Stereo-Headset/dp/B6HR0L

I also found Them for $7 here:
http://www.wolfcamera.com/product/EP5142996.htm?utm_medium=productsearchutm_source=google


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 No Six Meters

2008-05-10 Thread n4lq

Dave
Works for me. I just push Freq ENT then 50.125 then the return/enter key.
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I wanted to check out 6 meters tonight and could not get the K3 to sequence 
to that band. Direct freq entry of 50.125 went to 30.000Mhz. I thought 6 
meters appeared previously, but with the band as it currently is, never 
paid much attention to it.


Murphy's Law - tonight is the 6 meter sprint contest with real sigs on the 
band and I can't figure out what's up. Any suggestions?? Am I missing 
something in the menu?


73,
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Fw: [Elecraft] K3 no issues with output power on ssb!

2008-05-08 Thread n4lq




Is the K3's wattmeter a peak reading type? If so, it only kicks up to
about 50 watts until I increase the TXG VCE to 3 db which makes it double 
to

100 watts. So far, audio reports are good. Someone here reported distortion
of some kind when doing this however. I really need a proper external peak
reading meter to check this. Most of them I read about are not accurate. I
might order the Palstar. It seems to have a good reputation.
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Subject: [Elecraft] no issues with output power on ssb!


   I fail to understand what the big complaint is with low ssb power with 
your K3. My K3 is serial 4XX and have had it for approximately 2 months. 
My output power is identical on ssb as it is on cw. I have refused to 
download any of the new firmware as my radio has been working great as it. 
I am anxiously waiting a version of firmware that doesn't have any bugs 
left in it and I will then upgrade.

   Just my 2 cents worth from FernVE7GZ



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ham vs general band changes

2008-05-07 Thread n4lq
Yes it's a crazy way to change bands. I think the least that could be done 
is Once you are through snooping around the SW bands and you hit the 
BAND button, the K3 should go back to ham bands only and not screw up the 
band order. KM5Q posted a neat way to program the keypad for band changing. 
It's almost like having a normal keypad but requires an extra button push.
Looks nice but a lot of labor to get all of that programmed. It would be 
cool if we could just send a 'memory' file to each other and load our 
radios. Maybe that can be added to the K3 Utility someday.

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Here's what I'm unclear on.  If I'm on the 20 meter band and I enter
freq 9.8 MHz what happens to my band order as I cycle through them.
Have I replaced the 20 meter ban with 9.8 MHz.

Another way to ask the same question, if I want to go to 9.8 MHz, should
I make sure I'm on the 30 meter band BEFORE entering the frequency?

I seem to recall my K2 getting all mixed up if I was on one band and
entered a frequency for another and am wondering if the K3 is the same.

- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -

-Original Message-
From: Dick Green WC1M

The K3 manual says the Band switch scrolls through the ham bands. But if
I enter a general coverage frequency, say 11.000, it becomes the setting
of the nearest ham band. So, when I'm scrolling, I see 7.000, 11.000,
14.000, etc. I have to re-enter 10.100 to get 30m to the right setting.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch

2008-05-07 Thread n4lq


Well statedSoLet's go back to the rotary bandswitch. It was faster 
to change bands than bumping this button half dozen times.
Nowadays a lot of hams have amplifiers, tuners and rotary beams that follow 
the bandswitching. Imagine what happens to all those relays and motors when 
quickly scrolling through each band.


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Craig,

I am not certain why you believe the current bandswitching method is 
confusing - unless you are trying to follow the several suggestions for 
changing the band selection.
I find the BAND up/down switch similar to the old rotary bandswitches. 
You go one way (usually clockwise) to go to a higher band and the other 
way to go to a lower band.  And you had to do it one switch detent at a 
time, there was no hopping from one band direct to another unless they 
were adjacent.
One can easily count finger taps on the band button just as easily as 
counting rotary switch detent positions - one just has to remember how 
many bands apart the present one is from the desired one.

Just my opinion.

73,
Don W3FPR

Craig D. Smith wrote:

  To me, at least, the present
situation is rather confusing.  I hope they will consider your idea.

  73


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