Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
Actually, there a number of folks running multiple instances of LP-PAN/PowerSDR, both with two K3s and with a K3 with KRX3. It is not terribly difficult if you are computer savvy, and requires a newish PC (duo or quad core), but there is nothing in either program which prevents multiple instances and nothing that prevents multiple sound cards. LP-Bridge even provides the ability to launch two instances of PowerSDR at start-up. Check the archives of the LP-PAN User Group for some feedback on this process. There are some new developments coming with updated versions of PowerSDR for panadapter use, and a new LP-Bridge. Things go a little slower in summer with vacations, family commitments, etc., but development is definitely continuing on several fronts. 73, Larry N8LP Eric Tichansky wrote: I would find a hybrid solution more useful, ie. stand-alone or capable of interfacing w/ a PC. The current problem I run into now is that there is no practical way to run two LP-PANs (specifically PowerSDR) on one PC, one for each of two K3s. I've tested doing so w/ one instance of PowerSDR in a VMware container, but additional bandwidth limitations (virtual sound device), delays, et.al. are less than optimum. With two stand-alone units, there wouldn't be a particular PC-related limitation, but then point-and-click may be lost. Though, as I understand it, there were plans to use a tuning knob on the front panel with push capability to jump to K3 to the freq. were the on-screen marker is located. Eric NO3M __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/LP-PAN-FOR-SALE-tp3301013p3329668.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
Yea I figured this was possible but I was trying to help solve the issue in the manner the person was looking to. And using synergy would allow one to get the job done with two lesser machines. The worlds greatest multi tasker is another computer... ;) Thanks much Larry... ~Brett On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 09:42 -0700, N8LP wrote: Actually, there a number of folks running multiple instances of LP-PAN/PowerSDR, both with two K3s and with a K3 with KRX3. It is not terribly difficult if you are computer savvy, and requires a newish PC (duo or quad core), but there is nothing in either program which prevents multiple instances and nothing that prevents multiple sound cards. LP-Bridge even provides the ability to launch two instances of PowerSDR at start-up. Check the archives of the LP-PAN User Group for some feedback on this process. There are some new developments coming with updated versions of PowerSDR for panadapter use, and a new LP-Bridge. Things go a little slower in summer with vacations, family commitments, etc., but development is definitely continuing on several fronts. 73, Larry N8LP Eric Tichansky wrote: I would find a hybrid solution more useful, ie. stand-alone or capable of interfacing w/ a PC. The current problem I run into now is that there is no practical way to run two LP-PANs (specifically PowerSDR) on one PC, one for each of two K3s. I've tested doing so w/ one instance of PowerSDR in a VMware container, but additional bandwidth limitations (virtual sound device), delays, et.al. are less than optimum. With two stand-alone units, there wouldn't be a particular PC-related limitation, but then point-and-click may be lost. Though, as I understand it, there were plans to use a tuning knob on the front panel with push capability to jump to K3 to the freq. were the on-screen marker is located. Eric NO3M __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
Dick Williams-2 wrote: Your point is well taken; but in the end what percentage of amatuers that own a K3 do not have it hooked up to a computer and a logging program; and I bet that most amateurs leave their computer on 24/7 and connected to a DX Cluster. I certainly don't do that. Our electricity bill is high enough as it is, and besides, leaving stuff switched on when it isn't being used is not a very responsible use of non-renewable resources. I'd be happier with a computer-based solution if the software ONLY gave you the panoramic display. I want a standalone display that I can use alongside the software of my choice but although I certainly understand the reasoning of those who want one that will work without a PC I personally don't mind if it is a standalone application. I can always buy a second monitor to display it on if I want to. What I don't want or need is a whole screenful of PowerSDR which was designed to be the front end to a fully computer controlled radio not a simple panadapter. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/LP-PAN-FOR-SALE-tp3301013p3324766.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
Julian, G4ILO wrote: I'd be happier with a computer-based solution if the software ONLY gave you the panoramic display. I want a standalone display that I can use alongside the software of my choice but although I certainly understand the reasoning of those who want one that will work without a PC I personally don't mind if it is a standalone application. I can always buy a second monitor to display it on if I want to. What I don't want or need is a whole screenful of PowerSDR which was designed to be the front end to a fully computer controlled radio not a simple panadapter. I would find a hybrid solution more useful, ie. stand-alone or capable of interfacing w/ a PC. The current problem I run into now is that there is no practical way to run two LP-PANs (specifically PowerSDR) on one PC, one for each of two K3s. I've tested doing so w/ one instance of PowerSDR in a VMware container, but additional bandwidth limitations (virtual sound device), delays, et.al. are less than optimum. With two stand-alone units, there wouldn't be a particular PC-related limitation, but then point-and-click may be lost. Though, as I understand it, there were plans to use a tuning knob on the front panel with push capability to jump to K3 to the freq. were the on-screen marker is located. The Elecraft panadapter could take a couple directions as far as PC integration. 1) Provide I/Q outputs to interface w/ the PC's soundcard, or 2) Have a built-in USB sound device (ie. similar to some Microham devices). The latter would certainly increase costs, but would eliminate the need to go out and purchase a high-end card; maybe include it as an add-on option in the same style as everything else in the K3 realm. Anyways, it will be interesting to see the product when it arrives. Eric NO3M __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
Here is one way to pull off what you want... Use 2 PC's and 2 LP-PAN's with your 2 K3's and then user Synergy to tie the two PCs together. I use this at work. I have two monitors and two PC's (one running linux and the other running windows) and I'm able to share one keyboard and mouse between the two computers. I can move my mouse from one monitor to the other and which ever computer has the mouse cursor on the screen is the one that gets the keyboard focus. Its kinda complicated to explain but if you see it in action it works like a single computer with two displays except for the fact that there is a different computer running each monitor. They can both be windows boxes if you want to do it that way and you would for running 2 LP Pan's. You're of course going to need two sound cards too... ~Brett On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 16:26 -0400, E. Tichansky wrote: Julian, G4ILO wrote: I'd be happier with a computer-based solution if the software ONLY gave you the panoramic display. I want a standalone display that I can use alongside the software of my choice but although I certainly understand the reasoning of those who want one that will work without a PC I personally don't mind if it is a standalone application. I can always buy a second monitor to display it on if I want to. What I don't want or need is a whole screenful of PowerSDR which was designed to be the front end to a fully computer controlled radio not a simple panadapter. I would find a hybrid solution more useful, ie. stand-alone or capable of interfacing w/ a PC. The current problem I run into now is that there is no practical way to run two LP-PANs (specifically PowerSDR) on one PC, one for each of two K3s. I've tested doing so w/ one instance of PowerSDR in a VMware container, but additional bandwidth limitations (virtual sound device), delays, et.al. are less than optimum. With two stand-alone units, there wouldn't be a particular PC-related limitation, but then point-and-click may be lost. Though, as I understand it, there were plans to use a tuning knob on the front panel with push capability to jump to K3 to the freq. were the on-screen marker is located. The Elecraft panadapter could take a couple directions as far as PC integration. 1) Provide I/Q outputs to interface w/ the PC's soundcard, or 2) Have a built-in USB sound device (ie. similar to some Microham devices). The latter would certainly increase costs, but would eliminate the need to go out and purchase a high-end card; maybe include it as an add-on option in the same style as everything else in the K3 realm. Anyways, it will be interesting to see the product when it arrives. Eric NO3M __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click and other threads (K3)
Just a gentle suggestion from a non-K3 guy. A while back it was brought up that we'd place the model # of the rig being discussed in the subject line of our posts, when applicable. Like, K3 when we were talking about that rig, or K1, etc. Threads of general interest would not have any specific identifier. The purpose was so that people not interested in the thread about a given model # could filter it out. I fully understand that another way to avoid this problem is to buy ALL of the Elecraft rigs so we'd have an interest in everything, but some of us haven't had taken that route (Yet :) ). So I'd respectfully request that we go back to that protocol as some have continued. Thanks Tom,WB2QDG (Lowly) K2 #1103 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click and other threads (K3)
Lowly K2, Tom?? For me the jury's still out: my nice analog K2 or the very flexible and feature-rich digital K3. I'll probably never decide, just as I won't bother to decide whether 80 or 40 meters is a better band. They're just different, that's all. They do different things better. As for your suggestion, good point. From the e-mail reflector guidelines on the Elecraft web site: 4b. When emailing about a specific rig or option, please add the rig/option name(s) to the first part of your email subject line. (K1, K2, K3, KX1 etc.) This will be a huge help for those experiencing email overload and will allow automatic filtering based on subject line. Examples: Subject: [K3] Filter Options Subject: [KX1] How to use ped portable? Subject: [XG2] Wow! Its a big help. http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Just a gentle suggestion from a non-K3 guy. A while back it was brought up that we'd place the model # of the rig being discussed in the subject line of our posts, when applicable. Like, K3 when we were talking about that rig, or K1, etc. Threads of general interest would not have any specific identifier. The purpose was so that people not interested in the thread about a given model # could filter it out. I fully understand that another way to avoid this problem is to buy ALL of the Elecraft rigs so we'd have an interest in everything, but some of us haven't had taken that route (Yet :) ). So I'd respectfully request that we go back to that protocol as some have continued. Thanks Tom,WB2QDG (Lowly) K2 #1103 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
I'm sure that Elecraft (or any other company) can design and produce just about whatever is technologically feasible. However, the issue boils down to at what cost, and then what market is out there to recover the costs. Yes, it will be great if Elecraft does come out with a Panadapter add on; the last figure I heard was in the $700 to $800 dollar price range. However, if one were to start tacking on all the features that every K3 owner feels is a must have, the price would probably triple. Now granted, if you add 2400 or so bucks to the price of the K3, it is still considerable less than the piece of junk Icom sells for 12,000 bucks (I guess 10,500 with all the discounts). Personally though, I don't think the majority of K3 owner would want to fork over much more than 700 dollars for a panadaptor.And this is especially true when you can achieve the same results (and with a unit that will most likely do considerable more than what is in the works at Elecraft) right now for under $300. A lot of the features that seem to wanted are already functional or soon will be with LP-Pan. Yes, you do have to have a computer; but what ham out there does not own a computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the hobby were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)? If you can afford a K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a limb and say you can afford to purchase a computer. You don't have to be a computer geek to install and configure LP-Pan, LP-Bridge, and Power SDR. And if you run into problems, there seems to be plenty of help on the LP reflector and my dealings with Larry at Telepost leave me with the impression that he is more than willing to take the extra step in helping you to get his product up and running. I have had LP-Pan hooked up to my K3 for about a week and I am really impressed with what it does. Went out and bought a second monitor for the computer and I have PowerSDR displayed on it. Right now the display is 14 wide and 7 in height; I can damn near read it without my glasses! That is my two cents worth. Dick K8ZTT Julian, G4ILO wrote: I disagree. I think the folks at Elecraft are capable of developing the software required to do point and click. In fact I would not purchase one if I couldn't do that. Tom, N5GE Maarten van Rossum wrote: I too would like to express my desire for a build-in / stand alone unit for the K3. One were I can hook up a monitor, a key board and maybe even a mouse if I wanted too and do all the modes that are available. And also very important, it should be more or less plug and play. PC's and I don't go very well together and although the LP PAN stuff looks and sounds very promising, it is way to complicated for me. I am glad that I am able to update my K3 every once in a while. Kudo's to Elecraft for making it that simple. I think all of us find PCs a hassle. I worked with computers all my life but there are still times when I want to attack the thing with a 4lb club hammer. Unfortunately for your requirement I think a PC would be the most cost effective platform to do all that. I think the most we can hope for is something that is just a panoramic display. The question in my mind is, since for most people the benefit is being able to point and click to QSY, how would that work using a separate display? Most people will still be using a PC for logging etc. Having a separate screen for the display is not an issue (in fact it would be a benefit to keep the main screen clear) but having a separate screen that your mouse cannot click on doesn't seem like an ergonomic ideal to me. So I'm guessing that it will just be a passive display like the ones in the Icom 756 series that you can look at but not click on. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
Dick Williams wrote: Yes, you do have to have a computer; but what ham out there does not own a computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the hobby were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)? If you can afford a K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a limb and say you can afford to purchase a computer. You don't have to be a computer geek to install and configure LP-Pan, LP-Bridge, and Power SDR. I have (several) computers and I am a 'computer geek'. But I still want a standalone unit. I want it to come on when the radio does and I don't want to mess around with all of the issues surrounding a computer just to use it. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
My wants are basic ... I'm just interested in seeing the band, or a portion thereof. Point and click doesn't interest me ... I traded off a hamfest-won Flex 3000 a couple of months ago.. Aptos has my order for the display, what-ever it turns out to be. (:-)) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
Actually, you can buy a very competent refurbished computer (with warranty), a nice display, and LP-Pan for less than the price Elecraft has projected for the panadapter. Along with many others I am looking forward to the Elecraft panadapter with great anticipation, but if it doesn't offer performance and flexibility instead of redundant hardware I won't be very impressed. 73, Dave AB7E --Original Mail-- From: Dick Williams k8...@mho.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:37:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click Yes, you do have to have a computer; but what ham out there does not own a computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the hobby were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)? If you can afford a K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a limb and say you can afford to purchase a computer. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
Dave, I think what's turning many folks away is the combined complexity of cables, temperamental drivers, high-end sound cards, and the need for a reasonably competent PC (owing to PowerSDR software). That's a shame because much of these problems are easy to overcome with the SDR-IQ unit. Only two cables are used for connectivity and it's self-powered through the USB cable. Much of the needed DSP processing power is assigned to the SDR-IQ rather than the need to depend on PowerSDR or one of its variants that places a high CPU demand on the PC when using a high-end sound card. With the SDR-IQ, I've found my PC's CPU demand is minimal -- to the point where I use it with an inexpensive Samsung netbook PC for point click tuning through SpectraVue software. The K3, netbook, SDR-IQ and two cables -- and you're done. If the SDR-IQ is set up as only a panadpter without the need for its internal demods, CPU demand is reduced further. I'm sure Elecraft will make their panadapter as powerful as possible for the price -- but it's pretty tough to beat the utility-to-price ratio of a $300 netbook + $495 SDR-IQ unit -- and use it for much more than just a panadpter. If the small netbook monitor is not of sufficient size, just plug-in a flatscreen LCD monitor of your choice. For me, I get a powerful combination at home with large monitor and between the tiny SDR-IQ and netbook, I can quickly take it portable with the K3 in a small Pelican case. Paul, W9AC - Original Message - From: Dave - AB7E xda...@cis-broadband.com To: k8...@mho.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click Actually, you can buy a very competent refurbished computer (with warranty), a nice display, and LP-Pan for less than the price Elecraft has projected for the panadapter. Along with many others I am looking forward to the Elecraft panadapter with great anticipation, but if it doesn't offer performance and flexibility instead of redundant hardware I won't be very impressed. 73, Dave AB7E --Original Mail-- From: Dick Williams k8...@mho.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:37:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click Yes, you do have to have a computer; but what ham out there does not own a computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the hobby were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)? If you can afford a K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a limb and say you can afford to purchase a computer. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
After reconsidering I came to the conclusion that I just want to be able to see a portion of the band I'm on. Sure, point and click would be nice but if I really want that, I'll go with the all ready existing panadapter or something like Flexradio. Yes, I have a PC in my shack and it is used for logging and updating the K3 and surfing on the www, that's it. I don't want it to do anything else. I just don't get along with those darn things. When I was young all my friends were starting to get familiar with PC's. My parents didn't buy one because they thought it was just a hype and it would blow over. Boy were they wrong. By the time we finally got one all my friends could do magic with these things (at least in my eyes they could) and all I could do with it was turning it on and off. I lost interest before I even got started. When I got older I got confronted with fact that I couldn't get around them so I learned how to use then but I never could really enjoy it. I still don't for that matter. I'm probably missing out on a whole bunch of stuff but I guess I don't know exactly what it is that I'm missing and therefore I don't Miss it. (that sentence can't be wright but I think you know what I mean) I will now go to start and turn off my PC (I know, that's Windows and not the PC itself) and turn on the K3 to make some Q's. 73, Maarten PD2R P.s. just now I wanted to copy/paste this text I just wrote so I could check the spelling on a online spellchecker. Now the darn thing won't copy/paste anymore?!?! It is probably something I did and I will figure it out but it just bugs me. So, I'm sorry for any spelling errors. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
I'm sure Elecraft will make their panadapter as powerful as possible for the price -- but it's pretty tough to beat the utility-to-price ratio of a $300 netbook + $495 SDR-IQ unit -- a I suspect you expect too much from a $300 netbook thingy. But isn't it amazing that the price of the computer (even a not- netbook) might be less than the price of the RF head. How is that possible -- with all of those 12AU7 dual triode flip-flops in the computer :-) Grant/NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
Honestly I'm perfectly fine with a computer solution but I want the same amount of power and flexibility no matter if I'm sitting in front of Windows or Linux or even Mac for that matter! I give high praise to Elecraft for keeping software update utilities for all 3 OSes and they are all kept up to date! However all this being said there is already a computer solution which is no where near as powerful in Linux but its coming along... Why do we need yet another of the same thing? For me an embedded solution would be where its at. I'd like to see something with a PXA310 or similar processor that was essentially a PDA with a specialized wider shorter display. Implementing it as a touchscreen would be nice but a lot of the hams I've known would be way to ham fisted to be able to operate it and so they'd just complain. I see good value in adding a good fast updating display with decent resolution. Oh and I'm all for small too! My eyes still work good! ~Brett On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Dick Williamsk8...@mho.com wrote: I'm sure that Elecraft (or any other company) can design and produce just about whatever is technologically feasible. However, the issue boils down to at what cost, and then what market is out there to recover the costs. Yes, it will be great if Elecraft does come out with a Panadapter add on; the last figure I heard was in the $700 to $800 dollar price range. However, if one were to start tacking on all the features that every K3 owner feels is a must have, the price would probably triple. Now granted, if you add 2400 or so bucks to the price of the K3, it is still considerable less than the piece of junk Icom sells for 12,000 bucks (I guess 10,500 with all the discounts). Personally though, I don't think the majority of K3 owner would want to fork over much more than 700 dollars for a panadaptor. And this is especially true when you can achieve the same results (and with a unit that will most likely do considerable more than what is in the works at Elecraft) right now for under $300. A lot of the features that seem to wanted are already functional or soon will be with LP-Pan. Yes, you do have to have a computer; but what ham out there does not own a computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the hobby were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)? If you can afford a K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a limb and say you can afford to purchase a computer. You don't have to be a computer geek to install and configure LP-Pan, LP-Bridge, and Power SDR. And if you run into problems, there seems to be plenty of help on the LP reflector and my dealings with Larry at Telepost leave me with the impression that he is more than willing to take the extra step in helping you to get his product up and running. I have had LP-Pan hooked up to my K3 for about a week and I am really impressed with what it does. Went out and bought a second monitor for the computer and I have PowerSDR displayed on it. Right now the display is 14 wide and 7 in height; I can damn near read it without my glasses! That is my two cents worth. Dick K8ZTT Julian, G4ILO wrote: I disagree. I think the folks at Elecraft are capable of developing the software required to do point and click. In fact I would not purchase one if I couldn't do that. Tom, N5GE Maarten van Rossum wrote: I too would like to express my desire for a build-in / stand alone unit for the K3. One were I can hook up a monitor, a key board and maybe even a mouse if I wanted too and do all the modes that are available. And also very important, it should be more or less plug and play. PC's and I don't go very well together and although the LP PAN stuff looks and sounds very promising, it is way to complicated for me. I am glad that I am able to update my K3 every once in a while. Kudo's to Elecraft for making it that simple. I think all of us find PCs a hassle. I worked with computers all my life but there are still times when I want to attack the thing with a 4lb club hammer. Unfortunately for your requirement I think a PC would be the most cost effective platform to do all that. I think the most we can hope for is something that is just a panoramic display. The question in my mind is, since for most people the benefit is being able to point and click to QSY, how would that work using a separate display? Most people will still be using a PC for logging etc. Having a separate screen for the display is not an issue (in fact it would be a benefit to keep the main screen clear) but having a separate screen that your mouse cannot click on doesn't seem like an ergonomic ideal to me. So I'm guessing that it will just be a passive display like the ones in the Icom 756 series that you can look at but not click on. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Ken Kopp wrote: Aptos has my order for the display, what-ever it turns out to be. (:-)) So, how did you give Aptos your order, since it isn't on the price list yet. Do I just send an email to Madeline with my private Swiss bank account number and instruct her to transfer what she will? :-) Grant/NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click
Vic, Your point is well taken; but in the end what percentage of amatuers that own a K3 do not have it hooked up to a computer and a logging program; and I bet that most amateurs leave their computer on 24/7 and connected to a DX Cluster. Like Dave (AB7E) who posted a comment, I am also part of the aforementioned group, my computer is on all the time; thus PowerSDR and LP Bridge are also on all the time. When I turn on the K3, LP-Pan (which is powered by the Aux 12V out on the K3) turns on, and bingo, signals appear on the PowerSDR screen.If for some reason (like going on vacation) I turn off my computer, when I turn it back on, I just start LP Bridge and that auto starts both DXBase and PowerSDR. Basically one click and one button push on the K3 and I am in business. Actually, I have to admit that it is slightly more complicated than that; after I turn on the K3, I have to push the on/off switch on the Green Heron Eng rotor box to on. The Green Heron is plugged into a AC switch that all the other assorted and sundry accessories are plugged into, and turning it on, powers up the rest of the station. So, I guess that I have not figured out what all the other issues might be in having a panadapter run by your computer??Actually I spend more time in the summer connecting and disconnecting the coax and rotor cables because of the thundrestorms than I do turning on the K3 and Green Heron Rotor box. In any case, I am sure that your wish for a stand alone unit will come true. The only question is what features and at what cost will the Elecraft unit have. One thing I am sure of is the display will not be of the 17 to 22 variity. One other interesting point that should be brought upis that CW Skimmer works very well with LP-Bridge.. Though I have not installed it yet, I have been told that CW Skimmer is the cats meow to the CW contester or DXer; and to them, it is what Viagra is to the old timers!It works great and allows them to do things they had never done before! Dick K8ZTT - Original Message - From: Vic K2VCO v...@rakefet.com To: Dick Williams k8...@mho.com; Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and Point and Click Dick Williams wrote: Yes, you do have to have a computer; but what ham out there does not own a computer (especially amateurs that have found there niche in the hobby were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)? If you can afford a K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will go out on a limb and say you can afford to purchase a computer. You don't have to be a computer geek to install and configure LP-Pan, LP-Bridge, and Power SDR. I have (several) computers and I am a 'computer geek'. But I still want a standalone unit. I want it to come on when the radio does and I don't want to mess around with all of the issues surrounding a computer just to use it. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
