Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

And with the last good posting, let's close the thread. (I would have closed it 
earlier, except we were working 18hr days at Dayton.)

Also, for everyone else, complaining about other vendors is a huge violation of 
Elecraft list policy. Please make those complaints elsewhere. Its too afar from 
our core list topics and also too easy to harm good vendors with inaccurate and 
outdated information and hearsay.

Of course It is still OK to post complaints about Elecraft (hopefully few! ;-) 
as we want to hear those so we can remedy the problems quickly. 

73,
Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[Gary Smith]

Folks,

I saw this topic now includes Idiom Press 
and am compelled to add  to the 
discussion. I'll keep it short.

Idiom Press was a set of words that made 
my blood boil. I had sent them money, a 
small amount of cash for a rotor LED 
illuminator. I had sent cash because I 
have only been burned once by a Ham sale 
and all other Ham transactions have been 
of integrity. They acknowledged receipt 
and never sent a thing, later after 
sending them a letter so far beneath me, I 
got a reply from one of the two original 
owners who said they were reorganizing and 
would send it to me. It never came and I 
left a scathing review on one of the forum 
reviews and I wrote off the money as 
theft.

Please keep reading.

Several years later I received an email 
from a ham saying he had bought Idiom 
Press and read my review. He had nothing 
to do with Idiom at that earlier time but 
wanted to make good as it now was his 
integrity that would be affected by the 
previous owner's mistakes. He wanted proof 
I had sent to them and he would send the 
part to me ASAP. Having sent cash I had 
nothing, I informed him of that and he 
accepted that as my word. He sent me the 
illuminator immediately and this at a loss 
to him personally.

I mention this for any who heard of the 
horrible way Idiom used to be,they are now 
a company I am completely in appreciation 
of. The new owner is a genuine Ham with a 
genuine work ethic. Anything I need that 
they sell, I will happily buy from them. 
They are not what they were.

Hope  that wasn't too long.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Theoretically, you can still buy the CMOS 4 and other Idiom Press
> products from these guys:  https://www.hamsupply.com/cmos-4-keyer/
> 
> 
> 
> > I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.
> 
> So would I.  In the K3 and KX3 (and KX2 since I´m thinking about
> purchasing one) 
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342

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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[Wes Stewart]

AFAIK, at the time I was looking, they were out of business.  I know that Ham 
Supply bought the product line. Now owning a K-Pod that finally works, I have 
less need for the memories in the Idiom unit, although the hand keying issue 
remains.  I was trying to downsize and really don't want another box on the desk.


Wes  N7WS

On 5/21/2017 6:44 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
Is Idiom Press out of business? I thought they just changed their name: 
https://www.hamsupply.com. Hamsupply.com has the Logikey K-5 Electronic Keyer 
 with Accukeyer emulation. I use 
one - not so much any more - but still have it anyway. Wonderful keyer. Not 
sure if this is the one you're referring to though.


73,
Kev K4VD

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Wes Stewart > wrote:


I'm approaching my 60th year in ham radio and have a confession; I learned
Morse with my Boy Scout Handbook (still have it) by sight not sound. 
Consequently, I've never been a very good CW op, although I have a 20 WPM

Extra license.  As a Novice I used a Western Electric "Pole-Changer"
straight key given to me by a non-ham retired telegrapher friend, (That's
still on the operating desk).  I never even tried a bug, but when I built
my first Accu-Keyer I finally had some help.  I used it with a number of
rigs and when the Accu-Memory came out I was in heaven.

I build two of them at first and gave one to my friend George Badger,
W6TC, who liked it too.  Then I built a third one for the heart of my
meteor scatter/EME station.  With several handfulls of TTL logic I added a
timer/sequencer that used the power line as a time base to automatically
control the station on the various sequences used for MS and EME. Preamp
switching/relay delay, TX delay, etc were all timed by the keyer and the
"canned" messages were in memory.  All I had to do was listen and select
the next message as the QSO progressed. (That one is still in my storage
building too.)

Among its wonderful ergonomics the TS870 that I had before buying a K3 was
an Accu-Keyer emulation.   I never had trouble sending CW with that rig. 
Enter the K3 (and now a K3S).  I can't even send my call gracefully.  I

was prepared to buy the Idiom Press unit when they went out of business.

I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.

Wes  N7WS

On 5/15/2017 12:57 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

This is one of the things that has always bugged me about internal rig
keyers (Elecraft included).  And as as result, I’ve almost never used
them.  I’ve been using an Accu-Keyer (or emulator) for so long that
nothing else is comfortable.

I moved from my original home brewed Accu-Keyer (which I still have,
refuse to part with,  and occasionally use) to the enhanced
Accu-Memory version, to an MM-3 (with emulation — and still one of the
best stand-alone keyers ever made) to the Idiom Press CMOS 4 (with
emulation) because of its small form factor.

It seems that something as basic as Accu-Keyer timing with
auto-character (and even auto-word) space isn’t exactly “rocket
science”.  So how about it Elecraft?   Accu-Keyer emulation would make
a better than run-of-the-mill update!!  For the K3, KX3, KX2.  And I
wouldn’t have to carry the CMOS 4 in my KX3 bag or fiddle with more
cables on the table with the K3.  I’m probably not alone here, given
the popularity of the Accu-Keyer.  I can send better CW with a bug
than I can with paddles and an electronic keyer that lacks ACS.  Maybe
it’s my (old) age or just practice ...  :-)

But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with
the WB4VVF
Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342


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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Are you using Mode B? I believe the Elecraft rigs default to A which is the 
Curtiss system. It drives me nuts but Mode B works beautifully on this 
"Accu-keyer" operator. 

BTW, in the Boy Scouts I tried unsuccessfully to decode by sight. Guess I was 
no better than the guy on the Carpathia who was unable to decode "This is the 
Titanic. Come quickly. We are sinking". He finally decided the mast light was 
defective. 

73, Ron AC7AC



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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes 
Stewart
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:05 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

I'm approaching my 60th year in ham radio and have a confession; I learned 
Morse with my Boy Scout Handbook (still have it) by sight not sound.  
Consequently, I've never been a very good CW op, although I have a 20 WPM Extra 
license.  As a Novice I used a Western Electric "Pole-Changer" straight key 
given to me by a non-ham retired telegrapher friend, (That's still on the 
operating desk).  I never even tried a bug, but when I built my first 
Accu-Keyer I finally had some help.  I used it with a number of rigs and when 
the Accu-Memory came out I was in heaven.

I build two of them at first and gave one to my friend George Badger, W6TC, who 
liked it too.  Then I built a third one for the heart of my meteor scatter/EME 
station.  With several handfulls of TTL logic I added a timer/sequencer that 
used the power line as a time base to automatically control the station on the 
various sequences used for MS and EME. Preamp switching/relay delay, TX delay, 
etc were all timed by the keyer and the "canned" messages were in memory.  All 
I had to do was listen and select the next message as the QSO progressed. (That 
one is still in my storage building too.)

Among its wonderful ergonomics the TS870 that I had before buying a K3 was an 
Accu-Keyer emulation.   I never had trouble sending CW with that rig.  Enter 
the 
K3 (and now a K3S).  I can't even send my call gracefully.  I was prepared to 
buy the Idiom Press unit when they went out of business.

I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.

Wes  N7WS

On 5/15/2017 12:57 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> This is one of the things that has always bugged me about internal rig keyers 
> (Elecraft included).  And as as result, I’ve almost never used them.  I’ve 
> been using an Accu-Keyer (or emulator) for so long that nothing else is 
> comfortable.
>
> I moved from my original home brewed Accu-Keyer (which I still have, refuse 
> to part with,  and occasionally use) to the enhanced Accu-Memory version, to 
> an MM-3 (with emulation — and still one of the best stand-alone keyers ever 
> made) to the Idiom Press CMOS 4 (with emulation) because of its small form 
> factor.
>
> It seems that something as basic as Accu-Keyer timing with auto-character 
> (and even auto-word) space isn’t exactly “rocket science”.  So how about it 
> Elecraft?   Accu-Keyer emulation would make a better than run-of-the-mill 
> update!!  For the K3, KX3, KX2.  And I wouldn’t have to carry the CMOS 4 in 
> my KX3 bag or fiddle with more cables on the table with the K3.  I’m probably 
> not alone here, given the popularity of the Accu-Keyer.  I can send better CW 
> with a bug than I can with paddles and an electronic keyer that lacks ACS.  
> Maybe it’s my (old) age or just practice ...  :-)
>
>> But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with the 
>> WB4VVF Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).
>>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>

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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[Kevin - K4VD]

Is Idiom Press out of business? I thought they just changed their name:
https://www.hamsupply.com. Hamsupply.com has the Logikey K-5 Electronic
Keyer  with Accukeyer
emulation. I use one - not so much any more - but still have it anyway.
Wonderful keyer. Not sure if this is the one you're referring to though.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:

> I'm approaching my 60th year in ham radio and have a confession; I learned
> Morse with my Boy Scout Handbook (still have it) by sight not sound.
> Consequently, I've never been a very good CW op, although I have a 20 WPM
> Extra license.  As a Novice I used a Western Electric "Pole-Changer"
> straight key given to me by a non-ham retired telegrapher friend, (That's
> still on the operating desk).  I never even tried a bug, but when I built
> my first Accu-Keyer I finally had some help.  I used it with a number of
> rigs and when the Accu-Memory came out I was in heaven.
>
> I build two of them at first and gave one to my friend George Badger,
> W6TC, who liked it too.  Then I built a third one for the heart of my
> meteor scatter/EME station.  With several handfulls of TTL logic I added a
> timer/sequencer that used the power line as a time base to automatically
> control the station on the various sequences used for MS and EME. Preamp
> switching/relay delay, TX delay, etc were all timed by the keyer and the
> "canned" messages were in memory.  All I had to do was listen and select
> the next message as the QSO progressed. (That one is still in my storage
> building too.)
>
> Among its wonderful ergonomics the TS870 that I had before buying a K3 was
> an Accu-Keyer emulation.   I never had trouble sending CW with that rig.
> Enter the K3 (and now a K3S).  I can't even send my call gracefully.  I was
> prepared to buy the Idiom Press unit when they went out of business.
>
> I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 5/15/2017 12:57 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
>
>> This is one of the things that has always bugged me about internal rig
>> keyers (Elecraft included).  And as as result, I’ve almost never used
>> them.  I’ve been using an Accu-Keyer (or emulator) for so long that nothing
>> else is comfortable.
>>
>> I moved from my original home brewed Accu-Keyer (which I still have,
>> refuse to part with,  and occasionally use) to the enhanced Accu-Memory
>> version, to an MM-3 (with emulation — and still one of the best stand-alone
>> keyers ever made) to the Idiom Press CMOS 4 (with emulation) because of its
>> small form factor.
>>
>> It seems that something as basic as Accu-Keyer timing with auto-character
>> (and even auto-word) space isn’t exactly “rocket science”.  So how about it
>> Elecraft?   Accu-Keyer emulation would make a better than run-of-the-mill
>> update!!  For the K3, KX3, KX2.  And I wouldn’t have to carry the CMOS 4 in
>> my KX3 bag or fiddle with more cables on the table with the K3.  I’m
>> probably not alone here, given the popularity of the Accu-Keyer.  I can
>> send better CW with a bug than I can with paddles and an electronic keyer
>> that lacks ACS.  Maybe it’s my (old) age or just practice ...  :-)
>>
>> But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with the WB4VVF
>>> Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).
>>>
>>> Grant NQ5T
>> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

Theoretically, you can still buy the CMOS 4 and other Idiom Press products from 
these guys:  https://www.hamsupply.com/cmos-4-keyer/ 



> I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.

So would I.  In the K3 and KX3 (and KX2 since I’m thinking about purchasing 
one) 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[Wes Stewart]

I'm approaching my 60th year in ham radio and have a confession; I learned Morse 
with my Boy Scout Handbook (still have it) by sight not sound.  Consequently, 
I've never been a very good CW op, although I have a 20 WPM Extra license.  As a 
Novice I used a Western Electric "Pole-Changer" straight key given to me by a 
non-ham retired telegrapher friend, (That's still on the operating desk).  I 
never even tried a bug, but when I built my first Accu-Keyer I finally had some 
help.  I used it with a number of rigs and when the Accu-Memory came out I was 
in heaven.


I build two of them at first and gave one to my friend George Badger, W6TC, who 
liked it too.  Then I built a third one for the heart of my meteor scatter/EME 
station.  With several handfulls of TTL logic I added a timer/sequencer that 
used the power line as a time base to automatically control the station on the 
various sequences used for MS and EME. Preamp switching/relay delay, TX delay, 
etc were all timed by the keyer and the "canned" messages were in memory.  All I 
had to do was listen and select the next message as the QSO progressed. (That 
one is still in my storage building too.)


Among its wonderful ergonomics the TS870 that I had before buying a K3 was an 
Accu-Keyer emulation.   I never had trouble sending CW with that rig.  Enter the 
K3 (and now a K3S).  I can't even send my call gracefully.  I was prepared to 
buy the Idiom Press unit when they went out of business.


I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.

Wes  N7WS

On 5/15/2017 12:57 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

This is one of the things that has always bugged me about internal rig keyers 
(Elecraft included).  And as as result, I’ve almost never used them.  I’ve been 
using an Accu-Keyer (or emulator) for so long that nothing else is comfortable.

I moved from my original home brewed Accu-Keyer (which I still have, refuse to 
part with,  and occasionally use) to the enhanced Accu-Memory version, to an 
MM-3 (with emulation — and still one of the best stand-alone keyers ever made) 
to the Idiom Press CMOS 4 (with emulation) because of its small form factor.

It seems that something as basic as Accu-Keyer timing with auto-character (and 
even auto-word) space isn’t exactly “rocket science”.  So how about it 
Elecraft?   Accu-Keyer emulation would make a better than run-of-the-mill 
update!!  For the K3, KX3, KX2.  And I wouldn’t have to carry the CMOS 4 in my 
KX3 bag or fiddle with more cables on the table with the K3.  I’m probably not 
alone here, given the popularity of the Accu-Keyer.  I can send better CW with 
a bug than I can with paddles and an electronic keyer that lacks ACS.  Maybe 
it’s my (old) age or just practice ...  :-)


But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with the WB4VVF
Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1 with O/T comments

[Russ]

Doug:

You are correct - and it seems that Maker Ffaires might be the venue for 
amateur radio outreach to the younger generation.
When I am retired, I certainly would like to be part of this initiative.  Is 
this something the ARRL should look at?
I am happy to say that I am an Elmer to KB1YNK, who presented a paper at Dayton 
a couple of years ago.

Russ KD4JO

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug 
Person
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:15 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1 with O/T comments

You are very mistaken in your statement regarding kids not building things.  
They're not building ham radio, that's for sure.  But find any maker faire and 
you will be stunned by the age and ability of the kids demonstrating their 
projects.  Maker Faires (Their preferred spelling it
seems) would be a great place to communicate ham radio to the younger 
generation. Arduino and Raspberry PI have enormous followings by teenagers and 
even a lot of pre-teens. Don't write them off! Our community has done a poor 
job of out reach to the teens of today.

Doug -- K0DXV


On 5/15/2017 11:27 AM, Russ wrote:
> Guys:
>
> Thanks!!!
> I appreciate all the responses.
> I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
> I swear I couldn't find the schematic.
>
> At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the HA-1 
> schematic.
> It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway) 
> build hardware
>
> Russ KD4JO
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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1 with O/T comments

[Doug Person]

You are very mistaken in your statement regarding kids not building 
things.  They're not building ham radio, that's for sure.  But find any 
maker faire and you will be stunned by the age and ability of the kids 
demonstrating their projects.  Maker Faires (Their preferred spelling it 
seems) would be a great place to communicate ham radio to the younger 
generation. Arduino and Raspberry PI have enormous followings by 
teenagers and even a lot of pre-teens. Don't write them off! Our 
community has done a poor job of out reach to the teens of today.


Doug -- K0DXV


On 5/15/2017 11:27 AM, Russ wrote:

Guys:

Thanks!!!
I appreciate all the responses.
I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
I swear I couldn't find the schematic.

At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the HA-1 
schematic.
It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway) build 
hardware

Russ KD4JO
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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

This is one of the things that has always bugged me about internal rig keyers 
(Elecraft included).  And as as result, I’ve almost never used them.  I’ve been 
using an Accu-Keyer (or emulator) for so long that nothing else is comfortable. 
 

I moved from my original home brewed Accu-Keyer (which I still have, refuse to 
part with,  and occasionally use) to the enhanced Accu-Memory version, to an 
MM-3 (with emulation — and still one of the best stand-alone keyers ever made) 
to the Idiom Press CMOS 4 (with emulation) because of its small form factor.

It seems that something as basic as Accu-Keyer timing with auto-character (and 
even auto-word) space isn’t exactly “rocket science”.  So how about it 
Elecraft?   Accu-Keyer emulation would make a better than run-of-the-mill 
update!!  For the K3, KX3, KX2.  And I wouldn’t have to carry the CMOS 4 in my 
KX3 bag or fiddle with more cables on the table with the K3.  I’m probably not 
alone here, given the popularity of the Accu-Keyer.  I can send better CW with 
a bug than I can with paddles and an electronic keyer that lacks ACS.  Maybe 
it’s my (old) age or just practice ...  :-)

> But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with the WB4VVF
> Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[John Meade W2XS]

I also copied the Hallicrafters HA-1 schematic when I was 15. I loved the
glow of those voltage regulator tubes and the neon bulb on the front panel.
And that mercury-wetted relay was beautiful.

But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with the WB4VVF
Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).

73, John W2XS
(K3, K2, K1, KX2, and had 2 KX1s).



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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[rich hurd WC3T]

There's a whole club in the Northern NJ area that supports ham radio and
Maker stuff - the 723rd Mechanized Contest Battalion .
 Pretty amazing stuff these kids are doing.

I'm dipping my toes in mesh networking with this group, given that my QTH
is basically LOS for most of the Lehigh Valley in PA and extending into NJ.
   A Ubiquity node on a pole on my roof would afford spectacular coverage
for a mesh node.  As long as my XYL approves/doesn't notice.   ;)

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Walter Underwood 
wrote:

> No kids build hardware!? Have you heard of the maker movement? Find a
> Maker Faire near you and see what kids are building.
>
> http://makerfaire.com/bay-area/ 
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
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>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Russ  wrote:
> >
> > Guys:
> >
> > Thanks!!!
> > I appreciate all the responses.
> > I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
> > I swear I couldn't find the schematic.
> >
> > At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the
> HA-1 schematic.
> > It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway)
> build hardware
> >
> > Russ KD4JO
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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[Walter Underwood]

No kids build hardware!? Have you heard of the maker movement? Find a Maker 
Faire near you and see what kids are building.

http://makerfaire.com/bay-area/ 

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On May 15, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Russ  wrote:
> 
> Guys:
> 
> Thanks!!!
> I appreciate all the responses.
> I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
> I swear I couldn't find the schematic.
> 
> At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the HA-1 
> schematic.
> It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway) build 
> hardware
> 
> Russ KD4JO
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[Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

[Russ]

Guys:

Thanks!!!
I appreciate all the responses.
I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
I swear I couldn't find the schematic.

At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the HA-1 
schematic.
It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway) build 
hardware

Russ KD4JO
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