Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

2009-05-27 Thread pd0psb

I've seen some ballistic radios working very well.
You don't notice it untill you really spin the wheel making very clear you
want to QSY.
Other radios tend to get nervous and seem to skid on it.
It's a matter of choosing the best switch-over point in relation to
encoder/speed/user.

The option in K3 to do course steps with with RIT encoder and fine with VFO
is really nice!
Use that all the time. It would be nice though to have the option to revert
to full .000kHz somehow.

73'
Paul 
PD0PSB



That would also drive me wild, but then I would not have to use it 
unless I selected it explicitly, so it is quite palatable to me.  
Remember the KISS principle - I object to my radio doing magic 
things for me.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

2009-05-27 Thread N2TK
I like it.
N2TK, Tony 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B knobs be 
live after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric 
frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100 kHz 
(VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.

Wayne
N6KR

On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:

 A ballistic tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
 bottom of my wish list.  (:-))

 It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.

 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-27 Thread Brendan Minish
I have used radios with ballistic tuning and if implemented well it's a
pleasure to use. my Icom 756pro2 did this as did the 7800 

my Racal ra3702 has ballistic tuning too but the jumps up in tuning rate
are too large and occur at the wrong rotation speeds so it's a bit of a
nuisance on this radio, thankfully it can be turned off.

Implemented well it would be a nice feature to have on the K3 
 
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Brendan EI6IZ 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

2009-05-27 Thread Merv Schweigert
As usual it seems the thread has mutated into different conceptions of what
is going on.   Ballistic tuning is when the knob is turned faster the 
freq moves
faster, 
I had a FT-847 and the tuning on it was jog shuttle an extra ring 
around the
tuning knob that would move freq very fast depending on how far the ring
was moved.  Was a bear to get used to.   The ballistic is much 
different, there
is no learning curve and works well,  you dont even know its there 
unless you
spin the dial fast. 
It would be like a no hands rate button.   I for one vote for it. 
Merv KH7C
 That would also drive me wild, but then I would not have to use it 
 unless I selected it explicitly, so it is quite palatable to me.  
 Remember the KISS principle - I object to my radio doing magic 
 things for me.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 wayne burdick wrote:
   
 One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B knobs be 
 live after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric 
 frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100 kHz 
 (VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.

 Wayne
 N6KR

 On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:

   
 
 A ballistic tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
 bottom of my wish list.  (:-))

 It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.

 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

2009-05-27 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
make that two
--  
73 de M0XDF

On 27 May 2009, at 20:56, Merv Schweigert wrote:

 As usual it seems the thread has mutated into different conceptions  
 of what
 is going on.   Ballistic tuning is when the knob is turned faster the
 freq moves
 faster,
 I had a FT-847 and the tuning on it was jog shuttle an extra ring
 around the
 tuning knob that would move freq very fast depending on how far the  
 ring
 was moved.  Was a bear to get used to.   The ballistic is much
 different, there
 is no learning curve and works well,  you dont even know its there
 unless you
 spin the dial fast.
 It would be like a no hands rate button.   I for one vote for it.
 Merv KH7C
 That would also drive me wild, but then I would not have to use it
 unless I selected it explicitly, so it is quite palatable to me.
 Remember the KISS principle - I object to my radio doing magic
 things for me.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 wayne burdick wrote:

 One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B  
 knobs be
 live after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric
 frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100  
 kHz
 (VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.

 Wayne
 N6KR

 On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:



 A ballistic tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
 bottom of my wish list.  (:-))

 It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.

 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

2009-05-27 Thread Craig D. Smith
 The ballistic is much different, there
 is no learning curve and works well, you don't even know its there
 unless you spin the dial fast.
 It would be like a no hands rate button.   I for one vote for it.

I like it as well on my ICOM rig, and would be in favor of including it on
the K3.  I assume that it could be a firmware option so that those who are
bothered by the concept aren't by the reality.
In the meantime, I enjoy fast QSYs around each band by using the RIT knob
option.

73   Craig  AC0DS


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-27 Thread Bill NY9H
2 votes for a good ballistic tuning VFO , ( defeatable)


icom does do it very well on the  756  7800


bill  ny9h

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

2009-05-27 Thread Andrew Faber
I agree with Merv's analysis.  The 756 Pros have this variable rate tuning 
and it is very convenient and unobtrusive.
  73, andy, ae6y
- Original Message - 
From: Merv Schweigert k...@flex.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)


 As usual it seems the thread has mutated into different conceptions of 
 what
 is going on.   Ballistic tuning is when the knob is turned faster the
 freq moves
 faster,
 I had a FT-847 and the tuning on it was jog shuttle an extra ring
 around the
 tuning knob that would move freq very fast depending on how far the ring
 was moved.  Was a bear to get used to.   The ballistic is much
 different, there
 is no learning curve and works well,  you dont even know its there
 unless you
 spin the dial fast.
 It would be like a no hands rate button.   I for one vote for it.
 Merv KH7C
 That would also drive me wild, but then I would not have to use it
 unless I selected it explicitly, so it is quite palatable to me.
 Remember the KISS principle - I object to my radio doing magic
 things for me.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 wayne burdick wrote:

 One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B knobs be
 live after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric
 frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100 kHz
 (VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.

 Wayne
 N6KR

 On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:



 A ballistic tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
 bottom of my wish list.  (:-))

 It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.

 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
  elecraftcov...@rfwave.net
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-27 Thread Steven . Zabarnick
On May 26, 2009 Wayne wrote:

-This is referred to as ballistic tuning. We experimented with it but
-rejected it when we did the K2 design. I haven't tried it on the K3
-yet, but I've added it to my list.
-
-73,
-Wayne
-N6KR

Back in Jan 2008 there was a discussion of this on the reflector, and on
Jan 17, 2008 Greg wrote:

-A ballistic type of tuning is already on the list.
-
-73
-Greg
-AB7R

Personally I vote yes on ballistic tuning, but I thought it was already on
the list.

Steve N9SZ
Dayton OH

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

2009-05-27 Thread Phil LaMarche

Having owned an Icom 756 Pro 3, I loved that feature.  Just put the Ten Tec
rubber over the knob and it is much nicer to use. 

Phil


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Craig D. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:57 PM
To: 'Merv Schweigert'
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

 The ballistic is much different, there  is no learning curve and works
well, you don't even know its there  unless you spin the dial fast.
 It would be like a no hands rate button.   I for one vote for it.

I like it as well on my ICOM rig, and would be in favor of including it on
the K3.  I assume that it could be a firmware option so that those who are
bothered by the concept aren't by the reality.
In the meantime, I enjoy fast QSYs around each band by using the RIT knob
option.

73   Craig  AC0DS


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-27 Thread Barry McWilliams
I know you don't want to keep a thread going with a me too, but I'd 
like to enter my vote FOR ballistic tuning as implemented by ICOM.

Thanks, Barry K8LEF
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

2009-05-27 Thread Rob May


I loved ballistic tuning on my Icoms, add me to the pro ballistic list.
Rob
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-27 Thread Guy Olinger, K2AV
The ballistic tuning methods I have experienced all suffered from jumpy 
rates.  If the tuning rate increase was *a smooth proportional increase* 
with the knob speed increase and the reverse, I think people would love it. 
I would think setting 25 or 50 narrow bands of increase would feel 
proportional.  Two, three, four is jumpy.

73, Guy. 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-26 Thread drewko
I would be happy to have an additional coarse tuning rate of 1
MHz-per-turn, no matter how it is implemented, either by spinning the
knob faster or pushbutton selection.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Mon, 25 May 2009 12:03:46 -0400 (EDT), Mike  AC6JA wrote:

I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the VFO knob 
 is spun?  Is this a future firmware option if it doesn't?
I have an ICOM 756PROIII and its VFO tuning rate increases with the speed  
of the knob, kinda nice!
Thanks.

Mike  AC6JA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-26 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
ac...@aol.com wrote:
 I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the VFO knob 
  is spun?  Is this a future firmware option if it doesn't?
 I have an ICOM 756PROIII and its VFO tuning rate increases with the speed  
 of the knob, kinda nice!

I have a Sangean ATS 83 that does it (venerable mass market portable 
including shortwave and BFO).

Not only is the idea obvious, but any patent that was obtained, in spite 
of the obviousness, will be long since expired.

I was surprised that the K2 didn't do it and even more surprised that 
the K3 doesn't.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-26 Thread wayne burdick
This is referred to as ballistic tuning. We experimented with it but  
rejected it when we did the K2 design. I haven't tried it on the K3  
yet, but I've added it to my list.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On May 26, 2009, at 2:28 PM, David Woolley (E.L) wrote:

 ac...@aol.com wrote:
 I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the  
 VFO knob
  is spun?  Is this a future firmware option if it doesn't?
 I have an ICOM 756PROIII and its VFO tuning rate increases with the  
 speed
 of the knob, kinda nice!

 I have a Sangean ATS 83 that does it (venerable mass market portable
 including shortwave and BFO).

 Not only is the idea obvious, but any patent that was obtained, in  
 spite
 of the obviousness, will be long since expired.

 I was surprised that the K2 didn't do it and even more surprised that
 the K3 doesn't.


 Thanks.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
Wayne,

I have that ballistic tuning on my Yaesu FT-847 and find it cumbersome 
to use.  It may be that I am just not used to it (I use my K2 and K3 
more often, but for right now, operating with a ballistic tuning know is 
*not* one of the skills I want to have to learn.  I am quite happy with 
the RATE button on the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

wayne burdick wrote:
 This is referred to as ballistic tuning. We experimented with it but  
 rejected it when we did the K2 design. I haven't tried it on the K3  
 yet, but I've added it to my list.

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR


 On May 26, 2009, at 2:28 PM, David Woolley (E.L) wrote:

   
 ac...@aol.com wrote:
 
 I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the  
 VFO knob
  is spun?  Is this a future firmware option if it doesn't?
 I have an ICOM 756PROIII and its VFO tuning rate increases with the  
 speed
 of the knob, kinda nice!
   

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-26 Thread Ken Kopp
A ballistic tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
bottom of my wish list.  (:-))

It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-26 Thread Bob Garrett
Don,

I agree wholeheartedly!  Ballastic tuning is painful and detracts from the 
operating experience.  Just one man's opinion.

73,  Bob K3UL 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

2009-05-26 Thread wayne burdick
One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B knobs be 
live after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric 
frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100 kHz 
(VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.

Wayne
N6KR

On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:

 A ballistic tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
 bottom of my wish list.  (:-))

 It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.

 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

2009-05-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
That would also drive me wild, but then I would not have to use it 
unless I selected it explicitly, so it is quite palatable to me.  
Remember the KISS principle - I object to my radio doing magic 
things for me.

73,
Don W3FPR

wayne burdick wrote:
 One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B knobs be 
 live after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric 
 frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100 kHz 
 (VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.

 Wayne
 N6KR

 On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:

   
 A ballistic tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
 bottom of my wish list.  (:-))

 It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.

 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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  http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5



 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-25 Thread Grant Youngman

On May 25, 2009, at 11:03 AM, ac...@aol.com wrote:

 I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the  
 VFO knob
 is spun?

No.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-25 Thread Holger Gatternig OE9GHV

I'd also like to see this feature... It is vy comfortable on my pro3.

73 de Holger, OE9GHV

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 I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the VFO knob 
  is spun?  Is this a future firmware option if it doesn't?
 I have an ICOM 756PROIII and its VFO tuning rate increases with the speed  
 of the knob, kinda nice!
 Thanks.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates

2009-05-25 Thread Stephen Prior
I agree, it was one of the functions of my IC-7400 that I most appreciated.

73, Stephen G4SJP


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