[Elecraft] K3 Temperature Sensor Calibration

2014-02-24 Thread Paul Kirley
Consider re-calibrating the temperature sensors in your K3 before
getting too alarmed about the readings.

From the Owner's Manual:

Front Panel Temperature Sensor
• Turn the K3 OFF. Allow about 15 minutes for
the radio to cool to room temperature.
• Turn the K3 ON.
• Locate the CONFIG:FP TEMP menu entry.
Adjust the parameter to match the reading of a
room thermometer. Note: Deg. C = (deg.
Fahrenheit - 32) * 0.555.

PA Temperature Sensor
• Turn the K3 OFF. Allow about 15 minutes for
the PA heat sink to cool to room temperature.
Do not turn the K3 ON during this period.
• Turn the K3 ON.
• Locate the CONFIG:PA TEMP menu entry.
Adjust the parameter to match the reading of a
room thermometer. Note: Deg. C = (deg.
Fahrenheit - 32) * 0.555.


73, Paul W8TM

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 temperature

2009-01-27 Thread Mike Scott
Tom N0SS said
What bothers me, a bit, is that my cooling fans seem to be running a LOT
more frequently, and at higher speeds, than they did several firmware
versions ago.

My FP temperature rose from 18 C to 35 C in a three-hour test yesterday. 
I don't believe the fans came on but not sure as I can't hear them. When
ever I look at them they are not running. The PA temp rose from 17 C to 25 C
over the same period. (I may have transmitted a short SSB period, can't
remember).
So I am wondering at what temperature the fans come on and where that
temperature is measured.


Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
K3-100 #508/ KX1  #1311


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 temperature

2009-01-27 Thread wayne burdick
The fans only come on in response to the PA temp sensor. In a future 
release they'll also come on if the FP temperature is excessive. But so 
far, I haven't seen any reports of excessive FP temperature -- they're 
all in the acceptable range.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jan 27, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Mike Scott wrote:

 My FP temperature rose from 18 C to 35 C in a three-hour test 
 yesterday.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 temperature

2009-01-27 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
Hi,
I'd like to suggest that Enhancements and App notes be assigned numbers, so
they'll be easier to keep track of.

73, doug

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 temperature

2009-01-27 Thread Joe Planisky
That's interesting.  I would think that the PA shielding and top  
venting would make the fans pretty ineffective for cooling the FP.  Or  
is the idea that if the FP is too warm, the PA is probably too warm as  
well, regardless of the reported PA temp?


73
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On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:39 AM, wayne burdick wrote:

 The fans only come on in response to the PA temp sensor. In a future
 release they'll also come on if the FP temperature is excessive.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 temperature

2009-01-27 Thread Dave Hachadorian
Speaking of temperature - A week or two ago I complained 
about the fans continuously speeding up and slowing down 
during a contest. Since then I have set the fans to run 
continuously at low speed (config kpa3=fn1). The fans are 
almost inaudible at this speed, and I didn't hear them 
cycling up and down during the 160 cw or bartg sprint 
contests. The rigs were running only 50 watts though, 
driving high gain amps.

The NAQP RTTY contest is coming up on Feb 28. That's a 100w 
RTTY contest. The rigs will get a workout there. I'll keep 
an eye on pa temp and fan speed.

I did verify that with kpa3=fn1, the fans do speed up if pa 
temp rises.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ



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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 temperature


 The fans only come on in response to the PA temp sensor. 
 In a future
 release they'll also come on if the FP temperature is 
 excessive. But so
 far, I haven't seen any reports of excessive FP 
 temperature -- they're
 all in the acceptable range.

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR

 On Jan 27, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Mike Scott wrote:

 My FP temperature rose from 18 C to 35 C in a three-hour 
 test
 yesterday.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 temperature

2009-01-26 Thread GW0ETF

Since K3 #145 has had it's sub receiver the forward area of the right hand
side panel seems to get a little warmer and I've assumed this is due to the
sub rx or second dsp drawing extra through the 2 voltage regs bolted to that
panel. Shows it's all working ok since the panel is the heatsink for those
devices.

I don't understand how you could suspect the sub rx of increasing the PA
temperature if everything has been installed correctly.

BTW: I took part in a local RTTY contest for the first time the other
evening and was a little concerned about running full power despite
reassurances here. Running about 95 watts for 90 contest minutes I kept an
eye on the PA temperature and it never went above 46 deg; I put my hand over
the back once or twice and the fans seemed to be running but only slowly.
I'm now reassured.



Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF 


wayne burdick wrote:
 
 Since I fitted the second receiver, my K3 is running a whole lot
 warmer, even on receive with the sub receiver turned off.
 
 The aux DSP adds around 100 mA even when the sub receiver is turned 
 off, as I recall, so some increase in temperature is normal. The KRX3 
 module itself adds nearly zero current when turned off, and I don't 
 believe it could cause any increase in temperature since just due to 
 its location above the RF board. When turned on, the KRX3 adds about 
 150-200 mA.
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 temperature

2009-01-26 Thread Tom Hammond
Well...

I must agree that, since the addition of the KRX3 in my K3, the internal temps
HAVE risen on the order of about 10 deg. C overall... However, this is NOT
anything I didn't expect... in fact, I seem to recall that Wayne even posted
(somewhere) that KRX3 users would notice higher internal temps.

What bothers me, a bit, is that my cooling fans seem to be running a LOT more
frequently, and at higher speeds, than they did several firmware versions ago.

I've mentioned this on the K3 Field Test reflector, but no one has risen to
comment upon my observations.

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS


At 23:06 01/25/2009, Matt Zilmer wrote:
Hi Barry,

I installed the KRX3 in #24 here last week.  My experience with temps
is different from yours.

Ambient temp:  22C
FP temp: 23C
PA temp 34C
(this is right now - in the middle of NA winter)

Chassis exterior doesn't have temps any different from before the KRX3
went in here.  At least not so far.

This was after the K3 had been sitting on for most of the afternoon.
Now, it's possible that your ambient temp is different, given that you
are set right in the middle of Summer there.  However, I recorded FP
and PA temps no higher than 36/48 here last summer.  This was due to
the fact that I was running a lot of high duty cycle PSK31 QSO's at
the time.  The ambient open-house temp was 35C, which is a little
warm.  And believe me, the fans were running!  We were open-house
because of a power outage, and with solar power the only inconvience
was sweat.

You might want to look at how your cables are dressed, esp. the one at
the back from ANT receptacle to the KRX3.  If your fans can't get
started, this might explain the high-temp problem.  If the cable is
laying across the fan(s)

Also - make sure the KRX3 shield box isn't contacting anything on the
RF Board.  Check your DC power supply's metering to see if it pulls
appreciably more current with the KRX3 installed.

It seems unlikely that the KRX3 is the problem.  But I'm not in your
shoes.

73,
matt, W6NIA

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 04:42:30 +, you wrote:

 Since I fitted the second receiver, my K3 is running a whole lot warmer,
 even on receive with the sub receiver turned off.
 
 
 
 In particular the front half of the right hand side panel is almost hot and
 the front right hand corner of the top cover is also very warm.
 
 
 
 Before the second receiver installation the PA and FP temperatures ran about
 the same, in the high 20's if I remember. Just now the FP temperature is
 nudging 44 degrees C and the PA is 36 C. This is after the rig has been on
 for several hours, receive only, although it quickly heats up to these
 temperatures when it is switched on.
 
 
 
 I am guessing that the air flow and thus the cooling ability of the rig has
 been significantly impaired by the KRX3 and this is causing the very high
 temperatures. I wonder if this has any long term reliability implications ?
 
 
 
 I also wonder if others are experiencing similar temperature issues with
 KRX3's installed as I do not recall seeing any postings on the subject.
 
 
 
 Barry Simpson  VK2BJ
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[Elecraft] K3 temperature

2009-01-25 Thread Barry Simpson
Since I fitted the second receiver, my K3 is running a whole lot warmer,
even on receive with the sub receiver turned off.

 

In particular the front half of the right hand side panel is almost hot and
the front right hand corner of the top cover is also very warm.

 

Before the second receiver installation the PA and FP temperatures ran about
the same, in the high 20's if I remember. Just now the FP temperature is
nudging 44 degrees C and the PA is 36 C. This is after the rig has been on
for several hours, receive only, although it quickly heats up to these
temperatures when it is switched on.

 

I am guessing that the air flow and thus the cooling ability of the rig has
been significantly impaired by the KRX3 and this is causing the very high
temperatures. I wonder if this has any long term reliability implications ?

 

I also wonder if others are experiencing similar temperature issues with
KRX3's installed as I do not recall seeing any postings on the subject.

 

Barry Simpson  VK2BJ

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[Elecraft] K3 temperature

2009-01-25 Thread Ken Kopp
Mine (S/N 56) with a 2nd receiver has been turned on
all day, and I see the PA @ 23C and the FP @ 29C.
The room ambient is 63F

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 temperature

2009-01-25 Thread Frank R. Oppedijk
Hi Barry,

I have noticed the same. Here also, the FP temp settles at roughly 
36C, receive only. This is much warmer than before I fitted the KRX3. 
Ambient temperature here is about 20C. I have not investigated this 
phenomenon any further yet. I do consider it to be a bit warmer than 
normal operating temperatures...

73,

Frank PA4N


At 05:42 26/01/2009, Barry Simpson wrote:
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Since I fitted the second receiver, my K3 is running a whole lot 
warmer, even on receive with the sub receiver turned off.

In particular the front half of the right hand side panel is almost 
hot and the front right hand corner of the top cover is also very warm.

Before the second receiver installation the PA and FP temperatures 
ran about the same, in the high 20's if I remember. Just now the FP 
temperature is nudging 44 degrees C and the PA is 36 C. This is 
after the rig has been on for several hours, receive only, although 
it quickly heats up to these temperatures when it is switched on.

I am guessing that the air flow and thus the cooling ability of the 
rig has been significantly impaired by the KRX3 and this is causing 
the very high temperatures. I wonder if this has any long term 
reliability implications ?

I also wonder if others are experiencing similar temperature issues 
with KRX3's installed as I do not recall seeing any postings on the subject.

Barry Simpson  VK2BJ
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 temperature

2009-01-25 Thread wayne burdick
 Since I fitted the second receiver, my K3 is running a whole lot
 warmer, even on receive with the sub receiver turned off.

The aux DSP adds around 100 mA even when the sub receiver is turned 
off, as I recall, so some increase in temperature is normal. The KRX3 
module itself adds nearly zero current when turned off, and I don't 
believe it could cause any increase in temperature since just due to 
its location above the RF board. When turned on, the KRX3 adds about 
150-200 mA.

All of the components are rated to handle much higher temperatures than 
you normally encounter (typically 70 C). However, I've never seen an FP 
temperature of higher than 41C, so if you're seeing 44C, you might 
check your FP temp calibration.

Even 44C is very unlikely to be a problem.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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[Elecraft] K3 Temperature

2008-09-02 Thread Bob DeHaney

To put this into context 37C is very warm, it isn't.  I used to do
elevated temperature dynamic burn-in on fiber optic RS-232 modules at 50C in
a precision temperature controlled oven.

You can take a 50C unit out of the oven with your bare hands and it is so
hot you drop it as fast as you can. :-) You can imagine what the junction
temperature of the solid state devices was ;-)

Vy 73, Bob DJ0MBC/WU5T


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[Elecraft] K3 Temperature

2008-09-02 Thread Phil Debbie Salas

You can take a 50C unit out of the oven with your bare hands and it is so
hot you drop it as fast as you can.

I worked in high-speed fiber optic and microwave transmission system design 
before I retired.  The rule-of-thumb (pun intended) was that 45 deg C was 
the threshold of pain.  So if it was too hot to handle, it was over 45 deg 
C.


Phil - AD5X 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Temperature Specifications

2008-09-01 Thread Enno, PF5X

Hi Stewart,

I have a K3/100 + KRX3/KXV3/KAT3.

In RX/stby it runs 1.01 A @ 14V according to the K3 display. I agree that
the temperature is quite high. With about 26.7 degC in the shack I read FP
41 degC and PA 36 degC after 1 hr stby. I guess the two DSPs are generating
quite some heat + the FP lamps. I have the display at its lowest brightness
(2).

When I make a QSO with a couple of transmissions the PA temp rises to about
41~43 degC. The fans are very efficient in cooling down the PA quickly
afterwards.

Comparing the feel temp of the K3 case with other rigs (FT1000MP and
IC736), give me the impression that all this is not excessive.

BTW. I wonder what current exactly is measured and displayed (could not find
a clue in the owner's manual). 14 W in standby with AF volume at normal
level, with all my options, seems a bit low. I would rather expect something
in the range of 50 to 100W.

-- Enno, PF5X


Stewart Baker wrote:
 
 Thanks Gary (and others),
 I think that since fitting the 2nd RX the unit gets quite a bit
 warmer. The supply volts are 13.7 and the current on receive is
 1.07A, so that's about 14W, not excessive.
 
 If the unit is on receive and the fans are not running,  the only
 place for the heat to escape from the front half of the K3 is via
 the speaker hole, and by conduction through the case. The slots at
 the back half of the top cover seem to let little heat out because
 of the height of the PA shield.
 
 Haven't got an 'official' reply yet.
 
 73
 Stewart G3RXQ
 On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:03:37 -0700 (PDT), W7TEA wrote:

 Stewart, I don't know the specifications.  My shack is 23C and
 the K3
 has been on receive all day.  The FP is 31-32C and PA is 30C.
 My fans start when I'm barely into a QSO and when the PA reaches
 37C.
 I calibrated the PA just yesterday.

 73, GAry W7TEA


 I have had my K3 on receive most of the day, whilst doing other
 things in the shack.

 By chance I touched the top of the case and it felt quite hot,
 given that the shack temperature is 26 deg. According to the LCD
 readout both the FP and PA temps were at 34 deg.
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Temperature Specifications

2008-09-01 Thread Lyle Johnson

...14 W in standby with AF volume at normal
level, with all my options, seems a bit low. I would rather expect something
in the range of 50 to 100W.


The heritage of the K3 is portable operation, so we worked pretty hard 
at keeping the current drain low without sacrificing performance.


Maybe the K3 should be eligible for a Carbon Tax Credit?

73,

Lyle KK7P


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[Elecraft] K3 - Temperature Specifications

2008-08-31 Thread Stewart Baker
I have had my K3 on receive most of the day, whilst doing other
things in the shack.

By chance I touched the top of the case and it felt quite hot,
given that the shack temperature is 26 deg. According to the LCD
readout both the FP and PA temps were at 34 deg.

It got me wondering,  what are the temperature specifications for
the K3 ?
I have looked through various paperwork on the Elecraft site, but
can find no information on the subject.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
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[Elecraft] K3 temperature rise

2008-08-31 Thread Robert Mccormack
Hi Stewart,
Something wrong there - we have two K3s that run 48+ hours in serious CW 
contesting - minimal temperature rise for both rigs.
73, Ken ZL1AIH (ZM1A in contests)
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Temperature Specifications

2008-08-31 Thread W7TEA

Stewart, I don't know the specifications.  My shack is 23C and the K3
has been on receive all day.  The FP is 31-32C and PA is 30C.  
My fans start when I'm barely into a QSO and when the PA reaches 37C.  
I calibrated the PA just yesterday. 

73, GAry W7TEA


I have had my K3 on receive most of the day, whilst doing other
things in the shack.

By chance I touched the top of the case and it felt quite hot,
given that the shack temperature is 26 deg. According to the LCD
readout both the FP and PA temps were at 34 deg.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Temperature Specifications

2008-08-31 Thread Stewart Baker
Thanks Gary (and others),
I think that since fitting the 2nd RX the unit gets quite a bit
warmer. The supply volts are 13.7 and the current on receive is
1.07A, so that's about 14W, not excessive.

If the unit is on receive and the fans are not running,  the only
place for the heat to escape from the front half of the K3 is via
the speaker hole, and by conduction through the case. The slots at
the back half of the top cover seem to let little heat out because
of the height of the PA shield.

Haven't got an 'official' reply yet.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:03:37 -0700 (PDT), W7TEA wrote:

 Stewart, I don't know the specifications.  My shack is 23C and
the K3
 has been on receive all day.  The FP is 31-32C and PA is 30C.
 My fans start when I'm barely into a QSO and when the PA reaches
37C.
 I calibrated the PA just yesterday.

 73, GAry W7TEA


 I have had my K3 on receive most of the day, whilst doing other
 things in the shack.

 By chance I touched the top of the case and it felt quite hot,
 given that the shack temperature is 26 deg. According to the LCD
 readout both the FP and PA temps were at 34 deg.


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[Elecraft] K3 Temperature Readings

2008-05-31 Thread Dave Jeanne Robertson
Everyone,

How do I display my FP and Heat Sink temperatures on the front Panel?

I did the calibration and the book explains that you tap Display and use XFO B 
to select the temperature reading you want displayed.
When I tap Display all I can select is Time, Date, Current, and Voltage. No 
temp readings

Could someone enlighten me on the error of my ways. Thanks.

Dave KD1NA
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[Elecraft] K3 Temperature Readings

2008-05-31 Thread Bruce Beford
You must turn Tech Mode ON to see the temp readings.
-Bruce N1RX

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