Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion [Thread CLOSED]

[Bill]

Searching is great - as are new posts and new information. The large 
number of posts indicated the amount of interest in the subject matter. 
So much can be done with the K3/K3S's audio, so many varied mics out 
there, and so many different user comments. So much to learn - I have 
only been at the Elecraft game for three years.


Too bad to cut this one off.

Bill W2BLC K-Line


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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion [Thread CLOSED]

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Yup, its certainly is a valuable thread, but once the volume gets too high, we 
ask that further discussion be taken off list as we have thousands of readers 
and not all are able to handle excessive email on topics they are not interested 
in.


Also note that this type of discussion is a repeating topic over the years and 
can be easily found and read in the searchable Elecraft archives at Nabble. ( 
See http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html )


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On 7/7/2015 7:09 AM, WA8JXM wrote:
I definitely agree with Chris that this has been a very good thread and in 
fact, I marked and saved the message prior to Eric closing the thread because 
of the useful long term information in it.


It may be time to close it, but it was a good and valuable thread through the 
last message IMO.


73,
Ken WA8JXM


On 07/07/2015 09:18, Chris Hallinan wrote:

Argh.  This was a very interesting and pertinent thread, and I learned a
lot from it.  Those that aren't interested should learn to use the delete
key. :(

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Guys,

Time to close this thread in the interest of reducing overload for others
due to the huge number of posts. This One is -way- over the normal list
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion [Thread CLOSED]

[Chris Hallinan]

Argh.  This was a very interesting and pertinent thread, and I learned a
lot from it.  Those that aren't interested should learn to use the delete
key. :(

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> Guys,
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> Time to close this thread in the interest of reducing overload for others
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> Also, there was a huge amount of over-copying of prior text in this
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion [Thread CLOSED]

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Guys,

Time to close this thread in the interest of reducing overload for others due 
to the huge number of posts. This One is -way- over the normal list limit.

Also, there was a huge amount of over-copying of prior text in this thread. As 
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Don Wilhelm]

The K3 mic jack shell is also connected to the circuit board ground plane.
Sure, it is a "pin 1" problem since it does not connect directly to the 
front panel metalwork, but connecting the shell to the board ground is 
better than leaving it float.  The shield of your mic adapter cable 
should connect to the shell.
I suggest using pin 7 for the AF return and if you add a PTT 'tap', 
connect the 'hot' side to pin 2 and the return to pin 8.


If you connect nothing to pins 5 and 6, those connections will work for 
both Elecraft and Kenwood mic jacks.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/6/2015 5:58 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


Assuming there has been no change from the late K3, pins 7 and 8 are
both connected to circuit board common.  Since the K3/K3S front panel
mic jack is generally compatible with Kenwood (except for the reversal
of pins 5 and 6), most folks treat pin 7 as mic return and pin 8 as
shell/ground/chassis.



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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,7/6/2015 6:37 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
Once I get the radio  I may investigate connecting pin #8 direct to 
chassis. 


I install the Foster plug coming from the mic so that the shield is 
clamped to the connector shell.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Bob McGraw - K4TAX]

Thanks Jim.

I have provision for that if and as needed.  That is one reason I use a 
3 wire shielded cable where many installations only use a 2 wire 
shielded cable.  Someone reported that both pin #7 and pin #8 go to a PC 
board ground.   Grr


I know my other radios have a dedicated pin as mike ground and another 
dedicated as chassis ground.  This is connected by a very short jumper, 
about 3/4",  from the connector to the chassis.


Once I get the radio  I may investigate connecting pin #8 direct to chassis.

73 Bob, K4TAX

On 7/6/2015 8:21 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,7/6/2015 5:25 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
pin #8 as ground. 


Bob,

Unless you are absolutely certain that pin 8 goes straight to the 
chassis, use the connector shell for the shield to be certain that you 
don't excite a Pin One Problem.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,7/6/2015 5:25 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
pin #8 as ground. 


Bob,

Unless you are absolutely certain that pin 8 goes straight to the 
chassis, use the connector shell for the shield to be certain that you 
don't excite a Pin One Problem.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Bob McGraw - K4TAX]

Thanks to all for the info.

Wiring the XLR for the mike;
pin #1 as ground/shield,
pin #2 mike high,
pin #3 as mike low.

To the radio 8 pin connector;
pin #1 as mike high,
pin 7 as mike low,
pin #8 as ground.

For what its worth, I use a three conductor shielded cable and thus 
shield is connected at one end only.



73 Bob, K4TAX


On 7/6/2015 4:58 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


Assuming there has been no change from the late K3, pins 7 and 8 are
both connected to circuit board common.  Since the K3/K3S front panel
mic jack is generally compatible with Kenwood (except for the reversal
of pins 5 and 6), most folks treat pin 7 as mic return and pin 8 as
shell/ground/chassis.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-06 4:20 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:


While I don't have my new K3S radio yet, I did print the Owners Manual.
It shows the MIC audio connection to be pin #1 as MIC audio, pin #7 as
GRD, and pin #8 as GRD.  My question, are pins #7 & #8  the same or is
one analog ground and one chassis. ground. If so, which is analog ground
and which is chassis ground?   I'm making a mike cable XLR to 8 pin.


73 Bob, K4TAX


On 7/5/2015 11:49 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Sun,7/5/2015 7:06 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

The Heil PR-781 is grossly overpriced. Any quality dynamic mic will
work very well with the K3/K3S.


Right on both counts. Because I'm retired from pro audio, I have a
closet full of pro mics. All of the dynamic mics work very well with
the K3. Before one of the guys in our club introduced me to the CM500,
I used an RE11 on a boom stand from my music recording stash. I also
own two Sony MDR7506 headsets, which I no longer use in the shack
because the CM500 is so good.

The TX EQ built into the K3 is quite capable, and is all that is
needed to tailor TX audio to a mic and a voice. An external equalizer
is a waste of money. All it takes to use any dynamic mic with a K3 or
K3S is a suitably wired connector or connector adapter cable. For a
pro mic with an XL-connector, wire pin 2 to the mic input, pin 3 to
mic return, and pin 1 to the connector shell. Or if you have a two
wire cable (center plus shield), wire pin 2 to the center conductor
and to mic input, tie 1 and 3 together to the shield, and connect to
the K3 connector shell.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Bob McGraw - K4TAX]

OK thanks.   Got the info I needed.


73 Bob, K4TAX


On 7/6/2015 4:50 PM, ke9uw wrote:

As best I can tell from the schematics, 7 and 8 are connected together.
However I use 7 as mic ground and 8 as the shell, like Kenwood.



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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Assuming there has been no change from the late K3, pins 7 and 8 are
both connected to circuit board common.  Since the K3/K3S front panel
mic jack is generally compatible with Kenwood (except for the reversal
of pins 5 and 6), most folks treat pin 7 as mic return and pin 8 as
shell/ground/chassis.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-06 4:20 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:


While I don't have my new K3S radio yet, I did print the Owners Manual.
It shows the MIC audio connection to be pin #1 as MIC audio, pin #7 as
GRD, and pin #8 as GRD.  My question, are pins #7 & #8  the same or is
one analog ground and one chassis. ground. If so, which is analog ground
and which is chassis ground?   I'm making a mike cable XLR to 8 pin.


73 Bob, K4TAX


On 7/5/2015 11:49 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Sun,7/5/2015 7:06 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

The Heil PR-781 is grossly overpriced. Any quality dynamic mic will
work very well with the K3/K3S.


Right on both counts. Because I'm retired from pro audio, I have a
closet full of pro mics. All of the dynamic mics work very well with
the K3. Before one of the guys in our club introduced me to the CM500,
I used an RE11 on a boom stand from my music recording stash. I also
own two Sony MDR7506 headsets, which I no longer use in the shack
because the CM500 is so good.

The TX EQ built into the K3 is quite capable, and is all that is
needed to tailor TX audio to a mic and a voice. An external equalizer
is a waste of money. All it takes to use any dynamic mic with a K3 or
K3S is a suitably wired connector or connector adapter cable. For a
pro mic with an XL-connector, wire pin 2 to the mic input, pin 3 to
mic return, and pin 1 to the connector shell. Or if you have a two
wire cable (center plus shield), wire pin 2 to the center conductor
and to mic input, tie 1 and 3 together to the shield, and connect to
the K3 connector shell.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[ke9uw]

As best I can tell from the schematics, 7 and 8 are connected together.
However I use 7 as mic ground and 8 as the shell, like Kenwood.



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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Bob McGraw - K4TAX]

While I don't have my new K3S radio yet, I did print the Owners Manual.  
It shows the MIC audio connection to be pin #1 as MIC audio, pin #7 as 
GRD, and pin #8 as GRD.  My question, are pins #7 & #8  the same or is 
one analog ground and one chassis. ground. If so, which is analog ground 
and which is chassis ground?   I'm making a mike cable XLR to 8 pin.



73 Bob, K4TAX


On 7/5/2015 11:49 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Sun,7/5/2015 7:06 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

The Heil PR-781 is grossly overpriced. Any quality dynamic mic will
work very well with the K3/K3S. 


Right on both counts. Because I'm retired from pro audio, I have a 
closet full of pro mics. All of the dynamic mics work very well with 
the K3. Before one of the guys in our club introduced me to the CM500, 
I used an RE11 on a boom stand from my music recording stash. I also 
own two Sony MDR7506 headsets, which I no longer use in the shack 
because the CM500 is so good.


The TX EQ built into the K3 is quite capable, and is all that is 
needed to tailor TX audio to a mic and a voice. An external equalizer 
is a waste of money. All it takes to use any dynamic mic with a K3 or 
K3S is a suitably wired connector or connector adapter cable. For a 
pro mic with an XL-connector, wire pin 2 to the mic input, pin 3 to 
mic return, and pin 1 to the connector shell. Or if you have a two 
wire cable (center plus shield), wire pin 2 to the center conductor 
and to mic input, tie 1 and 3 together to the shield, and connect to 
the K3 connector shell.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Gary Gregory]

Hi think Jim and Joe nailed it with regard to Mic (sound) and
associated cost.

Heil do nothing for me. The price turns me off and as others have stated
the K3 EQ is there to allow us all to use a sensibly priced Mic with good
quality resultant audio which is what we all want. (Thats an assumption on
my part ok)

I won't rant about the WI2HY. I will say i have yet to hear a station using
this type of audio that was adjusted to give good audio. My ears are c#@p
but a wide signal is still a wide signal and awful audio is still awful.
Piercing audio may cut through, but ripping off my headset when they call
sends me to the coffee machine and medicine drawer. It does not get a reply
from me.

I use a CM-500 and an MH2 and sometimes an old Turner +3. Never had any
complaints and I was born with a less than a DJ quality pitch. Oh well,
thems the breaks eh?

Just my 2 Drachmas worth...:-)

Gary
Vk1ZZ
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On 06/07/2015 11:01 AM, "ke9uw"  wrote:

> Interesting...I felt this from the days of the shootouts, but stayed
> somewhat quiet back then. Kind of like if they're happy and you got them
> Q5, why be the old guy.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 5, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Jim Brown-10 [via Elecraft] <
> ml-node+s365791n7604655...@n2.nabble.com ml-node+s365791n7604655...@n2.nabble.com>> wrote:
>
> On Sun,7/5/2015 12:31 PM, Clive Lorton wrote:
> > The fact that Joe  thinks certain products are over priced is his
> > view, not necessarily everyone's
>
> No, it's because Joe (and I) know microphones quite well, and we know
> what good stuff costs. Joe is a retired broadcast engineering manager,
> I'm retired from four decades in pro audio, including work as a
> recording engineer. I'm also a member of the AES Standards Committee and
> the Working Group on Microphones.
>
> > otherwise Heil would not be in business.
>
> Heil is in business for the same reason that Bose is in business -- they
> spend a lot of money on advertising, and their customers don't know
> enough about the product they are selling to know they're being
> suckered. In the audio biz, we say of Bose, "better sound through
> marketing."  The same applies to Heil.
>
> When I got back on the air in 2003, I was still very busy running my
> audio biz, so I bought a used K2/100, which came with a Heil PTT mic
> (MH2). I opened it up and found an inexpensive electret capsule that
> couldn't have cost more than a buck or two wedged into an opening with a
> piece of foam behind it.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[ke9uw]

Interesting...I felt this from the days of the shootouts, but stayed somewhat 
quiet back then. Kind of like if they're happy and you got them Q5, why be the 
old guy.

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On Sun,7/5/2015 12:31 PM, Clive Lorton wrote:
> The fact that Joe  thinks certain products are over priced is his
> view, not necessarily everyone's

No, it's because Joe (and I) know microphones quite well, and we know
what good stuff costs. Joe is a retired broadcast engineering manager,
I'm retired from four decades in pro audio, including work as a
recording engineer. I'm also a member of the AES Standards Committee and
the Working Group on Microphones.

> otherwise Heil would not be in business.

Heil is in business for the same reason that Bose is in business -- they
spend a lot of money on advertising, and their customers don't know
enough about the product they are selling to know they're being
suckered. In the audio biz, we say of Bose, "better sound through
marketing."  The same applies to Heil.

When I got back on the air in 2003, I was still very busy running my
audio biz, so I bought a used K2/100, which came with a Heil PTT mic
(MH2). I opened it up and found an inexpensive electret capsule that
couldn't have cost more than a buck or two wedged into an opening with a
piece of foam behind it.

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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Fred Jensen]

A little OT, but Joe is sooo correct.  Starting college, I worked at an 
FM station as a member of the TX engineering crew and a board op.  I had 
the sign-on shift 3 days a week and was the only one there ... and I 
should probably include I was 16 and the engineering crew had minimal 
adult supervision.


The mic at the board was the iconic prismatic RCA velocity mic, quite 
big and I found that, if I crawled up to it real close while reading the 
sign-on script, I sounded like a 45 yr old bass, highly experienced 
announcer instead of a 16 yr old teenager.  I think this is true for 
most mic types, that velocity mic just may have been the extreme case.


While bass is nice on a 50 Hz to 15 KHz hi-fi broadcast channel playing 
classical music [think 1812 Overture], you don't want that on a comm 
channel.  K3 TX EQ is extremely effective in tailoring the audio from 
most any mic.  I wonder how it would do using a Bell T-1 carbon element 
from an old black telephone?


73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 7/5/2015 11:13 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


 > Microphones have to suit your voice.

No, microphones need to be reasonably flat without excess low
frequency response, particularly when worked close.

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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Phil Hystad]

My two bits…

I use the Elecraft MH2 microphone and it suits me just fine.  Although, I do 
admit to
being mostly CW so the mic is not the most important part of the hobby.  But, I 
get
very good audio reports and even though I agree with all the comments about 
using
TX EQ to make adjustments, I have actually never done that.  I keep putting 
that off.
Maybe I will do that soon.  But, like I said, the MH2 is very good in my 
opinion and it
has several advantages:  nice PTT button on the mic is my preferred mode of 
operation
and it does not take up space on the desktop because I just scoot it out of the 
way
where it hides most of the time.

73, phil, K7PEH

P.S.  I am not addressing comments to Joe (W4TV) here, just sort of picked on 
his reply to
add my two-bit comments.



> On Jul 5, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Microphones have to suit your voice.
> 
> No, microphones need to be reasonably flat without excess low
> frequency response, particularly when worked close.  Beyond that
> the K3/K3S TX EQ and noise gate are all anyone needs to achieve
> excellent sounding audio with any voice.
> 
> Start with TX EQ set to -16, -16, -6, 0, 0, +3, +5, +6 and touch
> up the 200 Hz band for your particular voice.  Increasing level
> at 200 Hz will provide a bit more low frequency response at the
> cost of some "punch" and intelligibility (low frequencies waste
> transmitter power).  For the "DX" sound, change +3, +5, +6 (3 dB
> per octave pre-emphasis) to +6, +10, +12 (6 dB per octave).
> 
> Both the low and high frequency adjustments may change a bit
> depending on the response of the microphone.  A "communications"
> (e.g. paging or "radio") mic will need less pre-emphasis as some
> is built into the mic element.  A recording mic will need even
> more low cut because of proximity effect (bass build-up).
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2015-07-05 1:23 PM, Clive Lorton wrote:
>> On 05/07/2015 15:06, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>> The Heil PR-781 is  but they are a good value for reasonable
>>> quality.
>> I always find this thread a waste of time, it come up regularly. The
>> subject is so personal.  Heil, Yamaha, Shure etc. well as I see its down
>> to comfort and the sound quality of your voice and/or ears.
>> 
>> My advise would be to try out what your friends use, or go to your local
>> friendly Ham Radio Store and try some out there. Make your own choice.
>> Headphones have to be comfortable.  Microphones have to suit your voice.
>> 
>> Just my 2 pence worth from across the pond
>> 
>> 73 Clive G8POC
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

The point is that nobody can tell the difference on the air
between a $35 Shure PA48, a $65 Heil HM-12, $155 Heil PR-781
or even a $390 Yaesu MD200A8X for that matter.

We've all wrapped a Solo Cup or cut off paper towel tube around
a Shure 444 or Kenwood MC50, etc. if we've been licensed long enough.
Many of us have soldered capacitors in series with the mic lead over
the years as well in order to "fix" audio deficiencies in older rigs
that did not have effective TX EQ or proper preemphasis - that doesn't
take anything away from those mics.

However, the TX EQ in the K3 is probably the most effective, simple
to use option and it certainly makes the audio racks and W2IHY every
expensive surplus.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-05 4:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Sun,7/5/2015 12:31 PM, Clive Lorton wrote:

The fact that Joe  thinks certain products are over priced is his
view, not necessarily everyone's


No, it's because Joe (and I) know microphones quite well, and we know
what good stuff costs. Joe is a retired broadcast engineering manager,
I'm retired from four decades in pro audio, including work as a
recording engineer. I'm also a member of the AES Standards Committee and
the Working Group on Microphones.


otherwise Heil would not be in business.


Heil is in business for the same reason that Bose is in business -- they
spend a lot of money on advertising, and their customers don't know
enough about the product they are selling to know they're being
suckered. In the audio biz, we say of Bose, "better sound through
marketing."  The same applies to Heil.

When I got back on the air in 2003, I was still very busy running my
audio biz, so I bought a used K2/100, which came with a Heil PTT mic
(MH2). I opened it up and found an inexpensive electret capsule that
couldn't have cost more than a buck or two wedged into an opening with a
piece of foam behind it.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[bill]

If you prefer to have a microphone that LOOKs like a zillion dollars,
check out this elecret microphone which is relatively well built, 
and plugs directly into the rear mic jack on the K3.


Sounds like any electret should,,, very fine
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sound-Studio-Dynamic-Mic-Shock-Mount-BM800-Condenser-Microphone-Excellent-TR-/151672992792?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23506a3418 



I already have too many microphones, but my variation was 19$ shipped 
from China.

Looks great, IF you like that BIG LOOKso I had to see what I would get.

look under bm-800  ,   also another mic   bm-700  these target gamers..
I worked for Sennheiser then AKG and finally Shure Brothers.( 40 
years in audio)

still use an akg paging mic on a goosemeck


bill


my club   Washington Amateur Communications WACOM  http://www.wacomarc.org/
my dx club   Northern Illinois DX 
Association   NIDXA  http://www.nidxa.org/



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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Jim Brown]

On Sun,7/5/2015 12:31 PM, Clive Lorton wrote:
The fact that Joe  thinks certain products are over priced is his 
view, not necessarily everyone's 


No, it's because Joe (and I) know microphones quite well, and we know 
what good stuff costs. Joe is a retired broadcast engineering manager, 
I'm retired from four decades in pro audio, including work as a 
recording engineer. I'm also a member of the AES Standards Committee and 
the Working Group on Microphones.


otherwise Heil would not be in business. 


Heil is in business for the same reason that Bose is in business -- they 
spend a lot of money on advertising, and their customers don't know 
enough about the product they are selling to know they're being 
suckered. In the audio biz, we say of Bose, "better sound through 
marketing."  The same applies to Heil.


When I got back on the air in 2003, I was still very busy running my 
audio biz, so I bought a used K2/100, which came with a Heil PTT mic 
(MH2). I opened it up and found an inexpensive electret capsule that 
couldn't have cost more than a buck or two wedged into an opening with a 
piece of foam behind it.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Clive Lorton]

On 05/07/2015 19:13, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> Microphones have to suit your voice.
No, microphones need to be reasonably flat without excess low
frequency response, particularly when worked close.  Beyond that
the K3/K3S TX EQ and noise gate are all anyone needs to achieve
excellent sounding audio with any voice.

I disagree..

Start with TX EQ set to -16, -16, -6, 0, 0, +3, +5, +6 and touch
up the 200 Hz band for your particular voice. 
So you are applying e.q. electronically.  Yes I do that, but you can 
also do it acoustically i.e. Shure 444. Those who don't know how a 444 
works just cup you hands in front of your mouth and hear the difference 
to your voice. That the principle.


Microphones and headphones sound and feel differently. All I am saying 
is when purchasing, go for one that you like.  Not one that I like. Not 
one that Joe likes.  That's my argument.


The fact that Joe  thinks certain products are over priced is his view, 
not necessarily everyone's otherwise Heil would not be in business.


CLClive G8POC


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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> Microphones have to suit your voice.

No, microphones need to be reasonably flat without excess low
frequency response, particularly when worked close.  Beyond that
the K3/K3S TX EQ and noise gate are all anyone needs to achieve
excellent sounding audio with any voice.

Start with TX EQ set to -16, -16, -6, 0, 0, +3, +5, +6 and touch
up the 200 Hz band for your particular voice.  Increasing level
at 200 Hz will provide a bit more low frequency response at the
cost of some "punch" and intelligibility (low frequencies waste
transmitter power).  For the "DX" sound, change +3, +5, +6 (3 dB
per octave pre-emphasis) to +6, +10, +12 (6 dB per octave).

Both the low and high frequency adjustments may change a bit
depending on the response of the microphone.  A "communications"
(e.g. paging or "radio") mic will need less pre-emphasis as some
is built into the mic element.  A recording mic will need even
more low cut because of proximity effect (bass build-up).

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-05 1:23 PM, Clive Lorton wrote:

On 05/07/2015 15:06, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

The Heil PR-781 is  but they are a good value for reasonable
quality.

I always find this thread a waste of time, it come up regularly. The
subject is so personal.  Heil, Yamaha, Shure etc. well as I see its down
to comfort and the sound quality of your voice and/or ears.

My advise would be to try out what your friends use, or go to your local
friendly Ham Radio Store and try some out there. Make your own choice.
Headphones have to be comfortable.  Microphones have to suit your voice.

Just my 2 pence worth from across the pond

73 Clive G8POC


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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Clive Lorton]

On 05/07/2015 15:06, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
The Heil PR-781 is  but they are a good value for reasonable 
quality.
I always find this thread a waste of time, it come up regularly. The 
subject is so personal.  Heil, Yamaha, Shure etc. well as I see its down 
to comfort and the sound quality of your voice and/or ears.


My advise would be to try out what your friends use, or go to your local 
friendly Ham Radio Store and try some out there. Make your own choice.  
Headphones have to be comfortable.  Microphones have to suit your voice.


Just my 2 pence worth from across the pond

73 Clive G8POC


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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Bob McGraw - K4TAX]

Thanks Jim.

Connectors and cable is no issue for me.   I use Neutric connectors and 
Mogami 3 conductor shielded cable.  I'll make up something as needed for 
the XLR to 8 pin connector depending on the mike I settle with.  I've a 
few pro dynamics in my recording studio collection.


Thanks for the suggestions, I always appreciate yours.  I'll be sure and 
follow those.


73 Bob, K4TAX

On 7/5/2015 11:49 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Sun,7/5/2015 7:06 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

The Heil PR-781 is grossly overpriced. Any quality dynamic mic will
work very well with the K3/K3S. 


Right on both counts. Because I'm retired from pro audio, I have a 
closet full of pro mics. All of the dynamic mics work very well with 
the K3. Before one of the guys in our club introduced me to the CM500, 
I used an RE11 on a boom stand from my music recording stash. I also 
own two Sony MDR7506 headsets, which I no longer use in the shack 
because the CM500 is so good.


The TX EQ built into the K3 is quite capable, and is all that is 
needed to tailor TX audio to a mic and a voice. An external equalizer 
is a waste of money. All it takes to use any dynamic mic with a K3 or 
K3S is a suitably wired connector or connector adapter cable. For a 
pro mic with an XL-connector, wire pin 2 to the mic input, pin 3 to 
mic return, and pin 1 to the connector shell. Or if you have a two 
wire cable (center plus shield), wire pin 2 to the center conductor 
and to mic input, tie 1 and 3 together to the shield, and connect to 
the K3 connector shell.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

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On Sun,7/5/2015 7:06 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

The Heil PR-781 is grossly overpriced.  Any quality dynamic mic will
work very well with the K3/K3S. 


Right on both counts. Because I'm retired from pro audio, I have a 
closet full of pro mics. All of the dynamic mics work very well with the 
K3. Before one of the guys in our club introduced me to the CM500, I 
used an RE11 on a boom stand from my music recording stash. I also own 
two Sony MDR7506 headsets, which I no longer use in the shack because 
the CM500 is so good.


The TX EQ built into the K3 is quite capable, and is all that is needed 
to tailor TX audio to a mic and a voice. An external equalizer is a 
waste of money. All it takes to use any dynamic mic with a K3 or K3S is 
a suitably wired connector or connector adapter cable. For a pro mic 
with an XL-connector, wire pin 2 to the mic input, pin 3 to mic return, 
and pin 1 to the connector shell. Or if you have a two wire cable 
(center plus shield), wire pin 2 to the center conductor and to mic 
input, tie 1 and 3 together to the shield, and connect to the K3 
connector shell.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> Someone suggested the Heil PR 781 as a good choice.

The Heil PR-781 is grossly overpriced.  Any quality dynamic mic will
work very well with the K3/K3S.  For a hand mic look at a Kenwood
MC43S (connector matches the K3) or  Shure 514B or 596B ($43 at B&H
Photovideo).  For a "stick" mic to be mounted on gooseneck/boom, look
at a Shure PGA48 ($35 at B&H Photovideo).  If you need an "off the
shelf" amateur mic, the Kenwood MC60A works fine if you keep the
internal preamp turned off (otherwise it requires a minor rewiring
of the mic plug).

Other manufacturers communications/paging mics can be substituted
for the Shure but they are a good value for reasonable quality.
73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-05 9:18 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:

Dave:

Thanks for the suggestion.  I normally do not use a headset thus I'm
interested in only a microphone.  I have a pair of nice Sony
Professional headphones .. when I use headphones.

Someone suggested the Heil PR 781 as a good choice.

73 Bob, K4TAX

On 7/5/2015 8:08 AM, David Bunte wrote:


Bob -

I am a CW operator, but wanted to be able to work SSB from time to
time.  I heard so many K3 users suggest the Yamaha CM500, that I tried
one... in part because the Heil Pro set I had was not comfortable for
me.  I can wear it for hours, and when I have used it on SSB I have
received very good reports.

A friend recently got a K3 and also got the CM500. The first time he
used the radio was in a state QSO party. He made LOTS of contacts, and
took first place in his class.  That was his intent... but he was
surprised, and very pleased, by the number of folks who took time
during the contest to tell him that he had outstanding audio. He used
a Heil headset in the past 20 or so QSO parties he entered, with first
place finishes in about half of them, and NEVER got unsolicited
compliments on his audio.  That, was, of course, also with a different
radio.

Many folks have achieved EXCELLENT results for VERY few dollars, by
mounting an electret element (for just a few dollars), In some manner
of their own design, and have been happy.  I liked the convince of the
Yamaha, which plug right into the rear jacks on the K3 (K3S is the
same)... with no need for adaptors, or connector changes.

Best of luck es 73 de Dave - K9FN

On Jul 5, 2015 8:35 AM, "Mike Reublin NF4L" mailto:n...@comcast.net>> wrote:

The K3S has so much audio tailoring built in, pretty much any mic,
when properly set up, will garner good audio reports. There's no
need to spend cubic dollars on microphones.
73, Mike NF4L


> On Jul 5, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX
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> New to the Reflector and new to Elecraft with a K3S on order,
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with little interest in contesting.   My thoughts and suggestion
from another source is the Heli PR871.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Bill]

I use a Shure 514B - bullet proof handmic with no switch noise and 
excellent audio properties. Tailoring of the TX EQ completes the job.


Hint: Have one or two trusted friends listen to your signal while 
adjusting the EQ - they know your voice and what you should sound like. 
Too much help will just muddy the waters.


Want a good desk mic? Anything you can put in an arm will do (gets it 
off the desk) - and the EQ does all the rest. No need to spend mega 
dollars (that is what you have a K3/K3S for).


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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Matt Zilmer]

I use three different types of microphones on the K3, all with similar
results -

- Heil Goldline with H4 and H5 elements, for use in ham shack
- Yamaha CM500 headset, for when the ham shack gets noisy
- A cheap-o computer headset, very lightweight, for field work

The main control to use in set up is the TX EQ.  There are good
guidelines from others on how to set the band gains up.  Using the EQ,
all three mics sounds about the same.

For the EQ, I set the bottom three bands as low as they'll go (-16
dB), then bring it up to 2 dB at 400 Hz, and have some midrange gain
through 3.2 KHz.  The energy below 400 Hz is not useful for
intelligibility.  Others can advise you on exact settings, because
they're audio pros.  Their advice is worth following, imho.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 06:59:42 -0500, you wrote:

>New to the Reflector and new to Elecraft with a K3S on order,  what is 
>suggested for a microphone.  Objective is excellent audio with little 
>interest in contesting.   My thoughts and suggestion from another source 
>is the Heli PR871.
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[David Ahrendts]

Bob, you’ll get a hundred suggestions on this list, but the Heil PR781 is a 
superb choice. Or the Heil Gold Elite. I use the PR781 with the W2IHY EQPlus 
and 8-band EQ and the combo of the already top notch mich and EQ are superb. 
Additionally, pushing that fidelity into Elecraft’s ESSB (up to 4kHz) produces 
an extraordinary result. Best wishes. Happy to demo for you — contact me off 
list and we can set up a 20M QSO.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles

> On Jul 5, 2015, at 4:59 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX  wrote:
> 
> New to the Reflector and new to Elecraft with a K3S on order,  what is 
> suggested for a microphone.  Objective is excellent audio with little 
> interest in contesting.   My thoughts and suggestion from another source is 
> the Heli PR871.
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Bob McGraw - K4TAX]

Dave:

Thanks for the suggestion.  I normally do not use a headset thus I'm 
interested in only a microphone.  I have a pair of nice Sony 
Professional headphones .. when I use headphones.


Someone suggested the Heil PR 781 as a good choice.

73 Bob, K4TAX

On 7/5/2015 8:08 AM, David Bunte wrote:


Bob -

I am a CW operator, but wanted to be able to work SSB from time to 
time.  I heard so many K3 users suggest the Yamaha CM500, that I  
tried one... in part because the Heil Pro set I had was not 
comfortable for me.  I can wear it for hours, and when I have used it 
on SSB I have received very good reports.


A friend recently got a K3 and also got the CM500. The first time he 
used the radio was in a state QSO party. He made LOTS of contacts, and 
took first place in his class.  That was his intent... but he was 
surprised, and very pleased, by the number of folks who took time 
during the contest to tell him that he had outstanding audio. He used 
a Heil headset in the past 20 or so QSO parties he entered, with first 
place finishes in about half of them, and NEVER got unsolicited 
compliments on his audio.  That, was, of course, also with a different 
radio.


Many folks have achieved EXCELLENT results for VERY few dollars, by 
mounting an electret element (for just a few dollars), In some manner 
of their own design, and have been happy.  I liked the convince of the 
Yamaha, which plug right into the rear jacks on the K3 (K3S is the 
same)... with no need for adaptors, or connector changes.


Best of luck es 73 de Dave - K9FN

On Jul 5, 2015 8:35 AM, "Mike Reublin NF4L" > wrote:


The K3S has so much audio tailoring built in, pretty much any mic,
when properly set up, will garner good audio reports. There's no
need to spend cubic dollars on microphones.
73, Mike NF4L


> On Jul 5, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX
mailto:rmcg...@blomand.net>> wrote:
>
> New to the Reflector and new to Elecraft with a K3S on order, 
what is suggested for a microphone.  Objective is excellent audio

with little interest in contesting.   My thoughts and suggestion
from another source is the Heli PR871.
>
> --
> 73 Bob, K4TAX
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[David Bunte]

Bob -

I am a CW operator, but wanted to be able to work SSB from time to time.  I
heard so many K3 users suggest the Yamaha CM500, that I  tried one... in
part because the Heil Pro set I had was not comfortable for me.  I can wear
it for hours, and when I have used it on SSB I have received very good
reports.

A friend recently got a K3 and also got the CM500.  The first time he used
the radio was in a state QSO party. He made LOTS of contacts, and took
first place in his class.  That was his intent... but he was surprised, and
very pleased, by the number of folks who took time during the contest to
tell him that he had outstanding audio. He used a Heil headset in the past
20 or so QSO parties he entered, with first place finishes in about half of
them, and NEVER got unsolicited compliments on his audio.  That, was, of
course, also with a different radio.

Many folks have achieved EXCELLENT results for VERY few dollars, by
mounting an electret element (for just a few dollars), In some manner of
their own design, and have been happy.  I liked the convince of the Yamaha,
which plug right into the rear jacks on the K3 (K3S is the same)... with no
need for adaptors, or connector changes.

Best of luck es 73 de Dave - K9FN
 On Jul 5, 2015 8:35 AM, "Mike Reublin NF4L"  wrote:

> The K3S has so much audio tailoring built in, pretty much any mic, when
> properly set up, will garner good audio reports. There's no need to spend
> cubic dollars on microphones.
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX 
> wrote:
> >
> > New to the Reflector and new to Elecraft with a K3S on order,  what is
> suggested for a microphone.  Objective is excellent audio with little
> interest in contesting.   My thoughts and suggestion from another source is
> the Heli PR871.
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Mike Reublin NF4L]

The K3S has so much audio tailoring built in, pretty much any mic, when 
properly set up, will garner good audio reports. There's no need to spend cubic 
dollars on microphones.
73, Mike NF4L


> On Jul 5, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX  wrote:
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> New to the Reflector and new to Elecraft with a K3S on order,  what is 
> suggested for a microphone.  Objective is excellent audio with little 
> interest in contesting.   My thoughts and suggestion from another source is 
> the Heli PR871.
> 
> -- 
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[Elecraft] Microphone Qusestion

[Bob McGraw - K4TAX]

New to the Reflector and new to Elecraft with a K3S on order,  what is 
suggested for a microphone.  Objective is excellent audio with little 
interest in contesting.   My thoughts and suggestion from another source 
is the Heli PR871.


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