Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

It's not how many knobs but..how many knobs does the operator know how to 
use correctly.   

Bob, K4TAX


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> On Sep 30, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
> 
> QKK? "How many knobs does your radio have?"
> QKK 146 "My radio has 146 knobs"
> 
> QKU? "How many of those do you know how to use"
> QKU 2 "I know how to use 2 of them"
> 
> QKB? "Would one of those be the Big Knob?"
> QKB "Yep"
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 9/30/2017 12:10 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe it's that the higher button and knob count increases the machismo? "I, 
>> a Real Radio Man, can operate this radio that looks like a 707 cockpit" 
>> (caveman grunting and chest thumping ensues), and it will really impress the 
>> neighbors.
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Fred Jensen]

QKK? "How many knobs does your radio have?"
QKK 146 "My radio has 146 knobs"

QKU? "How many of those do you know how to use"
QKU 2 "I know how to use 2 of them"

QKB? "Would one of those be the Big Knob?"
QKB "Yep"

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/30/2017 12:10 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote:


Maybe it's that the higher button and knob count increases the 
machismo? "I, a Real Radio Man, can operate this radio that looks like 
a 707 cockpit" (caveman grunting and chest thumping ensues), and it 
will really impress the neighbors.




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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Kevin der Kinderen]

Wow. Was this some sort of allergic reaction to someone else's opinion?
They make a drug for that.

Now that 70 lb rigs are declared only suitable for people with an
inferiority complex we can all relax in front of our HW-8s knowing that
anyone with a bigger rig doesn't match up to us in areas that really count.

73,
Kev K4VD
K4VD Club #1


On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H 
wrote:

> Totally agree Bob.
>
> It's the "Real Radio Man" arrogance that kicks in with a new radio.
>
> As for the button/knobs vs. menu's argument, what is the difference
> between a button or knob on the face of the rig that gets adjusted once and
> never touched again and a making the same change with a menu?
>
> There is no difference in functionality.
>
> Maybe it's that the higher button and knob count increases the machismo?
> "I, a Real Radio Man, can operate this radio that looks like a 707 cockpit"
> (caveman grunting and chest thumping ensues), and it will really impress
> the neighbors.
>
> Possibly people don't know how to set the rig up and have to fiddle with
> it continuously? Knobs and buttons do make fiddling easier. They do not
> change the fact that you do not know the radio or how to set it up.
>
> The days of the 70lb Samsonite sized rig with 100+ knobs and buttons
> (TS-990S) are over Real Radio Men.
>
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 4:35 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>
>> One other point is the hams mentality ;   "I've operated hundreds of ham
>> radios and I know how this one works".  HA!   Better read the dang manual
>> two or three times.   Also the Fred Cady, KE7X has a wealth of information
>> not included in the standard Elecraft K3S Owner's Manual.
>>
>> Regarding manuals, I've often thought when a person orders a new radio,
>> the manual should be shipped some 2 or 3 weeks to the buyer in advance,
>> before the radio ships.  Perhaps this would encourage one to learn a bit
>> more about the radio, as opposed to taking it out of the box, connecting a
>> few cables and start turning knobs and pushing buttons.  Then they
>> exclaim:  "uh, where did I put that manual because this dang thing doesn't
>> work."
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>
>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Kevin Stover, AC0H]

Totally agree Bob.

It's the "Real Radio Man" arrogance that kicks in with a new radio.

As for the button/knobs vs. menu's argument, what is the difference 
between a button or knob on the face of the rig that gets adjusted once 
and never touched again and a making the same change with a menu?


There is no difference in functionality.

Maybe it's that the higher button and knob count increases the machismo? 
"I, a Real Radio Man, can operate this radio that looks like a 707 
cockpit" (caveman grunting and chest thumping ensues), and it will 
really impress the neighbors.


Possibly people don't know how to set the rig up and have to fiddle with 
it continuously? Knobs and buttons do make fiddling easier. They do not 
change the fact that you do not know the radio or how to set it up.


The days of the 70lb Samsonite sized rig with 100+ knobs and buttons 
(TS-990S) are over Real Radio Men.




On 9/28/2017 4:35 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
One other point is the hams mentality ;   "I've operated hundreds of ham 
radios and I know how this one works".  HA!   Better read the dang 
manual two or three times.   Also the Fred Cady, KE7X has a wealth of 
information not included in the standard Elecraft K3S Owner's Manual.


Regarding manuals, I've often thought when a person orders a new radio, 
the manual should be shipped some 2 or 3 weeks to the buyer in advance, 
before the radio ships.  Perhaps this would encourage one to learn a bit 
more about the radio, as opposed to taking it out of the box, connecting 
a few cables and start turning knobs and pushing buttons.  Then they 
exclaim:  "uh, where did I put that manual because this dang thing 
doesn't work."


73

Bob, K4TAX







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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Jim Brown]

On 9/28/2017 9:05 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
One of the limitations of a compact rig is that the state of a 
particular control or button is often displayed in another location on 
the panel far from the button location itself. 


Gee -- every time I buy (or otherwise need to use) a new product, I 
RTFM. As a result, I've never had any problem with knowing how the K3 
works and getting it to do what I want it to do. And I never bother with 
FAQs, which are written either for users who have never RTFM, or who 
don't know much about the functions for which the product is designed, 
or for products for which the manual is so bad that everyone has 
questions. :)


I'll be 76 years old in a few weeks, and I've been a ham for 62 years. 
I've owned and/or used dozens of radios over the years. I find the 
design and user interface of the K3 series of radios VERY well thought 
out and both the front panel controls and the display quite logical. But 
then, I RTFM.


Another thing -- a K3 is pretty easy to pack as a carry-on -- W0YK 
carries two of them in the passenger compartment for DX and contest 
trips! Try carrying on ONE of those big boat rigs.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Drew AF2Z]

One of the limitations of a compact rig is that the state of a 
particular control or button is often displayed in another location on 
the panel far from the button location itself.


In typical use you search for the control's indicator somewhere on the 
display screen in order to check its status (say AGC-S, AGC-F, etc); 
then search elsewhere for the control; then back to the indicator to 
watch it while you operate the control/button.


You aren't really conscious of all the extra mental gymnastics you go 
through zigzagging your attention back and forth, but it's one reason 
why a boat anchor is more satisfying to operate-- not simply fewer 
controls, but the controls are self indicating or directly adjacent to 
meters, pilot lamps, etc.


Dislocating the status indicators from the controls also makes learning 
to operate the rig more difficult initially and probably leads to 
recurring errors like SPLIT.


73,
Drew
AF2Z





On 09/28/17 13:16, dyarnes wrote:

Hi All,

I generally am pretty reticent to take issue with my “Tucson Compadre” West, 
N7WS, as he most often is making very good points.  However, I think he 
exaggerates a bit (perhaps intentionally) in attributing so much of the split 
operation error to K3 owners.  There are a lot of us, but not even remotely 
close to being that many of us!!  I tend to attribute that error, more than 
anything, to the lost art of “mentoring”.  Too many hams these days have never 
been effectively schooled in proper/normal operating procedures, and have no 
clue as to the meaning of the simple term “UP”!

Admittedly, there have been occasions when I was guilty of the sin mentioned, 
but only momentarily.  The K3 does have the “delta F” light to warn you, and 
the display does indicate “split”.  I do wish both were more obvious.  
Externally it looks like there might have been sufficient room to make both of 
those LED’s bigger and brighter.  The “split” indicator on the LCD could be 
bigger as well!  That would be a very good enhancement.  Is that possible 
through firmware?

If there is a problem with the K3, I think it can be attributed to the 
trade-off between rig size and display size.  I, for one, am happy with a 
smaller piece of gear on my desk, but I must admit that some of the display 
info is pretty difficult for these old eyes to see clearly.

I’m inclined to agree with those who don’t feel the K3 requires an inordinate 
amount of menu accessing.  I think Elecraft did a marvelous job of putting most 
needed adjustments right on the front panel.  I have had a much bigger problem 
in this respect with other rig brands.  Of course, the urge to make rigs 
smaller caused much of this, but even some very big rigs have this problem.  
The Ten-Tec Orion II is a good example.  It has a big, beautiful display, and 
lots of panel space, but still you need to make several button pushes to make 
very commonly needed changes like power level and keyer speed.  Both of these 
are instant adjustments on the K3’s front panel.

Most rigs these days are fairly complex and versatile.  Some are unduly complex 
or convoluted, but I don’t think that applies to the K3.  However, if you reach 
for a knob or a button on any of these rigs, you better be paying attention!  I 
think most operator errors are due to just that, and not to design issues.  If 
something on your K3 doesn’t sound or act right, take a good, hard look at your 
display and panel indicators.  The answer is probably right there in front of 
you!  How many times have we seen a response like ‘Are you on antenna 1 or 
antenna 2?”

Dave W7AQK







From: Wes Stewart 

Have you never turned on VOX when you meant to change bands? Or set up VFO A and
B to split frequencies and then accidentally (and unknowingly) written A to B
when you tried to turn on Split?? Your Split indicator gives you comfort but
you're still transmitting on the DX.? Probably half the, "He's split you moron"
comments in pileups are directed at K3 owners. And don't even get me started
about memory management.

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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

Yes, actually before I ordered my K3S I went on line and printed a full copy.  
This helped me make my decision on the choice of options.  I ordered the radio 
and while waiting, I read and re-read the manual.   After 18 mos or so of using 
the radio, very satisfactorily I might add, I ordered the Fred Cady book and 
have learned a lot more.  

All the hours reading and studying have been very worthwhile.   I highly 
suggest others do the same. 

Bob, K4TAX


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> On Sep 28, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Bill Johnson <k9...@live.com> wrote:
> 
> You probably know the manual is viewable on line. When I order something, I 
> read and reread.  There is more than I can remember.  But I do remember some 
> of the major settings and those that appeal to me.
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:35 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?
> 
> One other point is the hams mentality ;   "I've operated hundreds of ham 
> radios and I know how this one works".  HA!   Better read the dang manual two 
> or three times.   Also the Fred Cady, KE7X has a wealth of information not 
> included in the standard Elecraft K3S Owner's Manual.
> 
> Regarding manuals, I've often thought when a person orders a new radio, the 
> manual should be shipped some 2 or 3 weeks to the buyer in advance, before 
> the radio ships.  Perhaps this would encourage one to learn a bit more about 
> the radio, as opposed to taking it out of the box, connecting a few cables 
> and start turning knobs and pushing buttons.  Then they
> exclaim:  "uh, where did I put that manual because this dang thing doesn't 
> work."
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 9/28/2017 4:16 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>> Dave, W7AQK is absolutely right. Many of my early problems with the K3 
>> came from pushing a button without looking at the radio.
>> 
>> It also helps to learn what each of the items displayed on the panel 
>> means, even the ones you don't think you need to know about. You may 
>> have accidentally changed one an shot yourself in the foot.
>> 
>> My last serious case of transmit on the DX frequency came because my 
>> P3/SVGA display for the 2nd VFO looked red, even though I wasn't in 
>> split. The P3 colors were much clearer, but I didn't look at the P3.
>> Another ham called me on the telephone to inform me of the error of my 
>> ways. (Thanks!) Now I check the delta-F light and the SVGA.
>> 
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>> 
>>> On 9/28/17 at 10:16 AM, w7...@cox.net (dyarnes) wrote:
>>> 
>>> However, if you reach for a knob or a button on any of these rigs, 
>>> you better be paying attention!  I think most operator errors are due 
>>> to just that, and not to design issues.  If something on your K3 
>>> doesn’t sound or act right, take a good, hard look at your display 
>>> and panel indicators.  The answer is probably right there in front of 
>>> you!  How many times have we seen a response like ‘Are you on antenna
>>> 1 or antenna 2?”
>> 
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>> Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, 
>> CA 95032
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Bill Johnson]

You probably know the manual is viewable on line. When I order something, I 
read and reread.  There is more than I can remember.  But I do remember some of 
the major settings and those that appeal to me.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:35 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

One other point is the hams mentality ;   "I've operated hundreds of ham radios 
and I know how this one works".  HA!   Better read the dang manual two or three 
times.   Also the Fred Cady, KE7X has a wealth of information not included in 
the standard Elecraft K3S Owner's Manual.

Regarding manuals, I've often thought when a person orders a new radio, the 
manual should be shipped some 2 or 3 weeks to the buyer in advance, before the 
radio ships.  Perhaps this would encourage one to learn a bit more about the 
radio, as opposed to taking it out of the box, connecting a few cables and 
start turning knobs and pushing buttons.  Then they
exclaim:  "uh, where did I put that manual because this dang thing doesn't 
work."

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/28/2017 4:16 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> Dave, W7AQK is absolutely right. Many of my early problems with the K3 
> came from pushing a button without looking at the radio.
>
> It also helps to learn what each of the items displayed on the panel 
> means, even the ones you don't think you need to know about. You may 
> have accidentally changed one an shot yourself in the foot.
>
> My last serious case of transmit on the DX frequency came because my 
> P3/SVGA display for the 2nd VFO looked red, even though I wasn't in 
> split. The P3 colors were much clearer, but I didn't look at the P3.
> Another ham called me on the telephone to inform me of the error of my 
> ways. (Thanks!) Now I check the delta-F light and the SVGA.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 9/28/17 at 10:16 AM, w7...@cox.net (dyarnes) wrote:
>
>> However, if you reach for a knob or a button on any of these rigs, 
>> you better be paying attention!  I think most operator errors are due 
>> to just that, and not to design issues.  If something on your K3 
>> doesn’t sound or act right, take a good, hard look at your display 
>> and panel indicators.  The answer is probably right there in front of 
>> you!  How many times have we seen a response like ‘Are you on antenna
>> 1 or antenna 2?”
>
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> CA 95032
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

One other point is the hams mentality ;   "I've operated hundreds of ham 
radios and I know how this one works".  HA!   Better read the dang 
manual two or three times.   Also the Fred Cady, KE7X has a wealth of 
information not included in the standard Elecraft K3S Owner's Manual.


Regarding manuals, I've often thought when a person orders a new radio, 
the manual should be shipped some 2 or 3 weeks to the buyer in advance, 
before the radio ships.  Perhaps this would encourage one to learn a bit 
more about the radio, as opposed to taking it out of the box, connecting 
a few cables and start turning knobs and pushing buttons.  Then they 
exclaim:  "uh, where did I put that manual because this dang thing 
doesn't work."


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/28/2017 4:16 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
Dave, W7AQK is absolutely right. Many of my early problems with the K3 
came from pushing a button without looking at the radio.


It also helps to learn what each of the items displayed on the panel 
means, even the ones you don't think you need to know about. You may 
have accidentally changed one an shot yourself in the foot.


My last serious case of transmit on the DX frequency came because my 
P3/SVGA display for the 2nd VFO looked red, even though I wasn't in 
split. The P3 colors were much clearer, but I didn't look at the P3. 
Another ham called me on the telephone to inform me of the error of my 
ways. (Thanks!) Now I check the delta-F light and the SVGA.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 9/28/17 at 10:16 AM, w7...@cox.net (dyarnes) wrote:

However, if you reach for a knob or a button on any of these rigs, 
you better be paying attention!  I think most operator errors are due 
to just that, and not to design issues.  If something on your K3 
doesn’t sound or act right, take a good, hard look at your display 
and panel indicators.  The answer is probably right there in front of 
you!  How many times have we seen a response like ‘Are you on antenna 
1 or antenna 2?”


-
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(408)356-8506  | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Bill Frantz]

Dave, W7AQK is absolutely right. Many of my early problems with 
the K3 came from pushing a button without looking at the radio.


It also helps to learn what each of the items displayed on the 
panel means, even the ones you don't think you need to know 
about. You may have accidentally changed one an shot yourself in 
the foot.


My last serious case of transmit on the DX frequency came 
because my P3/SVGA display for the 2nd VFO looked red, even 
though I wasn't in split. The P3 colors were much clearer, but I 
didn't look at the P3. Another ham called me on the telephone to 
inform me of the error of my ways. (Thanks!) Now I check the 
delta-F light and the SVGA.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 9/28/17 at 10:16 AM, w7...@cox.net (dyarnes) wrote:

However, if you reach for a knob or a button on any of these 
rigs, you better be paying attention!  I think most operator 
errors are due to just that, and not to design issues.  If 
something on your K3 doesn’t sound or act right, take a good, 
hard look at your display and panel indicators.  The answer is 
probably right there in front of you!  How many times have we 
seen a response like ‘Are you on antenna 1 or antenna 2?”


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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[dyarnes]

Hi All,

I generally am pretty reticent to take issue with my “Tucson Compadre” West, 
N7WS, as he most often is making very good points.  However, I think he 
exaggerates a bit (perhaps intentionally) in attributing so much of the split 
operation error to K3 owners.  There are a lot of us, but not even remotely 
close to being that many of us!!  I tend to attribute that error, more than 
anything, to the lost art of “mentoring”.  Too many hams these days have never 
been effectively schooled in proper/normal operating procedures, and have no 
clue as to the meaning of the simple term “UP”!  

Admittedly, there have been occasions when I was guilty of the sin mentioned, 
but only momentarily.  The K3 does have the “delta F” light to warn you, and 
the display does indicate “split”.  I do wish both were more obvious.  
Externally it looks like there might have been sufficient room to make both of 
those LED’s bigger and brighter.  The “split” indicator on the LCD could be 
bigger as well!  That would be a very good enhancement.  Is that possible 
through firmware?

If there is a problem with the K3, I think it can be attributed to the 
trade-off between rig size and display size.  I, for one, am happy with a 
smaller piece of gear on my desk, but I must admit that some of the display 
info is pretty difficult for these old eyes to see clearly.  

I’m inclined to agree with those who don’t feel the K3 requires an inordinate 
amount of menu accessing.  I think Elecraft did a marvelous job of putting most 
needed adjustments right on the front panel.  I have had a much bigger problem 
in this respect with other rig brands.  Of course, the urge to make rigs 
smaller caused much of this, but even some very big rigs have this problem.  
The Ten-Tec Orion II is a good example.  It has a big, beautiful display, and 
lots of panel space, but still you need to make several button pushes to make 
very commonly needed changes like power level and keyer speed.  Both of these 
are instant adjustments on the K3’s front panel.  

Most rigs these days are fairly complex and versatile.  Some are unduly complex 
or convoluted, but I don’t think that applies to the K3.  However, if you reach 
for a knob or a button on any of these rigs, you better be paying attention!  I 
think most operator errors are due to just that, and not to design issues.  If 
something on your K3 doesn’t sound or act right, take a good, hard look at your 
display and panel indicators.  The answer is probably right there in front of 
you!  How many times have we seen a response like ‘Are you on antenna 1 or 
antenna 2?”

Dave W7AQK







From: Wes Stewart 

Have you never turned on VOX when you meant to change bands? Or set up VFO A 
and 
B to split frequencies and then accidentally (and unknowingly) written A to B 
when you tried to turn on Split?? Your Split indicator gives you comfort but 
you're still transmitting on the DX.? Probably half the, "He's split you moron" 
comments in pileups are directed at K3 owners. And don't even get me started 
about memory management.

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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea for Elecraft - addendum

[Shel Radin KF0UR]

And for completeness, we'd like to mention the QRPworks "K-Board" as another
viable option.

The K-Board holds 200 messages or macros, in 10 groups of 20.  And each
group of 20 can be named..."Field Day", Contest A", Contest B", etc.

Like the SideKar and SideKar Plus, each of the 200 slots can be a message or
a macro...your choice.   And each can be named so it's easier to remember
what it does.  That's especially useful for macros if you haven't memorized
all the commands :-)

And like the SideKar and SideKar Plus, you can create and modify the
messages/macros using the free Message Management Utility for the PC or Mac
(in addition to creating/modifying them on the device).

73,

Shel KF0UR
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

Between my operation of SSB, CW and digital modes, I find the radio 
makes all the changes necessary as I change modes and bands.   Thus once 
configured as I operate, no changes to any menu's are needed.


One thing I did conclude...the radio is a lot smarter than I 
am.  Thanks Wayne, Eric and the crew for such a great design and 
implementation.


73

Bob, K4TAX





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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Wes Stewart]

Exactly.  We heard for years that manufacturing legal limit amplifiers wasn't a 
market Elecraft wanted to enter.  Whoops, hello KPA1500.


Wes  N7WS

On 9/27/2017 12:18 PM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:

​I don't see a problem with Elecraft or any manufacturer expanding their
line if they've identified a market and regardless of their current
products. To say otherwise would be like telling Yaesu they shouldn't come
out with a lightweight portable rig with buried menus because Yaesu users
only like big rigs with many knobs. How does one affect the other?

Ya, I like (maybe a little more than like) my KX3 but because of that I'd
be seriously interested in any rig Elecraft brought to the market. Smaller
or larger.

If you want a big boat, buy one. Except Elecraft doesn't have one so take
your money elsewhere? Odd message.

73,
Kev K4VD


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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea for Elecraft - addendum

[Raymond Sills]

I put in a vote for the Ham Central Terminal, too.  I have one for my KX3, and 
it makes operating (especially in a contest) very easy.  Certainly, the SideKar 
series would work as well.


(Same disclaimer as Ted's) :)



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Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea for Elecraft - addendum

The K-Pod (and Fred Cady’s text on macro programming) solved much of the 
problem for me, though I recently added a piece of equipment that greatly 
expands the availability of keyboard-driven macros for the K3 and the KX3 – and 
does a bunch of other stuff including keyer messaging and contest logging with 
serial number increment, which the K3 keyer lacks.  The SideKar or SideKar Plus 
made by QRPWorks.  Painless plug and play for K3 K3S KX3 and KX2.  Also comes 
with Elecraft-level personal service from Shel, KF0UR.  I have no financial 
interest in QRPWorks – just a satisfied customer with now more macro control 
capability than I know how to use.

Ted, KN1CBR


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Byron,

Absolutely not.  Functionality of KPOD is way too limited.

 


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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Kevin der Kinderen]

​I don't see a problem with Elecraft or any manufacturer expanding their
line if they've identified a market and regardless of their current
products. To say otherwise would be like telling Yaesu they shouldn't come
out with a lightweight portable rig with buried menus because Yaesu users
only like big rigs with many knobs. How does one affect the other?

Ya, I like (maybe a little more than like) my KX3 but because of that I'd
be seriously interested in any rig Elecraft brought to the market. Smaller
or larger.

If you want a big boat, buy one. Except Elecraft doesn't have one so take
your money elsewhere? Odd message.

73,
Kev K4VD
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Jim Brown]

Yep. The most I've ever had to do is tweak VOX level, and that's VERY 
rare. I plug my Yamaha CM500 into the rear panel, which, by default, 
mutes the speaker, so I have the Speaker * Phones toggle assigned to a 
PF key. Since 2008, I've not found a need for the other PF key. Maybe 
it's VOX level. :)


I LOVE the lightweight, small footprint design of the K3 -- when I 
replaced a pair of FT1000MPs on my very cramped operating desk, it gave 
me lots of space for useful accessories. I agree with Ken Kopp -- if you 
want a big boat, buy one. :)


73, Jim K9YC

 On 9/26/2017 11:29 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
I don't understand the need for all that menu access in the first 
place for normal operating.  I've literally operated complete major 
contests (CQWW, ARRL DX, etc) without ever changing anything in the 
menu, and that covers dramatic changes in operating conditions 
(propagation, QRN, QRM, etc).  Yes, I played around with many of the 
settings when I first got my K3, but once I settled on what I felt 
were the optimum settings for the majority of my operations I haven't 
touched them since.  Everything I need to change on the fly is already 
right there on the front panel. 



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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Bill Breeden]

I guess that's the beauty of a complete K line station.  I change bands 
with the buttons on the KPA500 and verify that I'm not transmitting on 
the DX by observing the cursors on the P3.  After setting up the K3 the 
way I wanted it, I now access the menus less than once a month.


73,

Bill - NA5DX


On 9/27/2017 7:39 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:
Have you never turned on VOX when you meant to change bands? Or set up 
VFO A and B to split frequencies and then accidentally (and 
unknowingly) written A to B when you tried to turn on Split?  Your 
Split indicator gives you comfort but you're still transmitting on the 
DX.  Probably half the, "He's split you moron" comments in pileups are 
directed at K3 owners. And don't even get me started about memory 
management.


So I bought a KPod.  I'll spare you the agony of reading about the 
tribulations I had with that. It took me making a video clip of the 
malfunction to convince Elecraft that the issue I was seeing was 
real.  Fixed with new firmware in the K3S not the KPod. Nevertheless 
it's a promise unfulfilled.  It's simply a trigger for macros you have 
to write and save in the limited space for macros in the radio.  The 
KPod doesn't save anything.


The other aftermarket keypad solution requires that you own a P3.

I don't mind things infrequently accessed being buried in menus. But 
how about a knob to change bands?  We have a couple of knobs for fine 
frequency adjustment, why not one for coarse adjustment?


Wes  N7WS

On 9/26/2017 11:29 PM, David Gilbert wrote:


I don't understand the need for all that menu access in the first 
place for normal operating.  I've literally operated complete major 
contests (CQWW, ARRL DX, etc) without ever changing anything in the 
menu, and that covers dramatic changes in operating conditions 
(propagation, QRN, QRM, etc).  Yes, I played around with many of the 
settings when I first got my K3, but once I settled on what I felt 
were the optimum settings for the majority of my operations I haven't 
touched them since. Everything I need to change on the fly is already 
right there on the front panel.


The fact that there are lots of deep options doesn't mean it makes 
sense to have to constantly diddle with them.


Dave   AB7E


On 9/26/2017 5:49 PM, Emory Schley wrote:
Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered 
by choosing between a dozen switches but sorting through half a 
dozen menu items to change one gives me a headache."
  That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other 
hams– MANY other hams–  complain about menus, but I don't recall 
ever hearing anyone complain about excess knobs, buttons, dials, 
etc. Reading Ron's thoughts made me wonder out loud, why can't 
Elecraft or some third party make a "magic box" that would be 
completely impotent by itself, but with the capability to mate up to 
one of these small miniaturized wonders like the KX2 or KX3, and 
which would contain oodles of manual controls for virtually every 
function the parent rig is capable of providing?
  This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, 
but would act as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, 
and who like their rigs bigger, bulkier and in more traditional 
formats. I envision a box of switches, buttons, knobs, perhaps even 
gauges that would be cable-fed (or wi-fied) from the little parent 
rig sitting behind the magic box. Its size would be whatever was 
necessary to accommodate the design and would resemble a 
normal-sized base station. You could conceivably have a separate 
control for each function the parent rig provides, or if logic 
dictated, then several controls might be multi-purpose.
  Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use 
his/her KX2/KX3 as a portable rig in the normal way, but when 
returned to the home station, it could be plugged back into the 
magic box to power it in a more expansive and convenient manner.
  Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. 
Here's one they might be able to put on the market, up and running, 
quickly because most of the engineering has already been worked out 
for the parent rig.

  Emory Schley
N4LP
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[Elecraft] New product idea

[Ken G Kopp]

This subject comes up every so often ... the other manufacturers ... namely
YAECOMWOOD already market a large number of heavy desk-straining, knob
laden radios ... one I think weighs abound 70 pounds or so.

Why not simply purchase one?  I see no reason to drag Elecraft into the
mess.

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Art Nienhouse]

*/I second the motion an Elecraft Maestro full featured with buttons 
knobs for functions like a normal radio,  point and click computer 
interface as well  and wifi hook up is all good.

Regards
Art
ka9zap
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On 9/27/2017 6:51 AM, brian wrote:

Byron,

Absolutely not.  Functionality of KPOD is way too limited.

I think what he is envisioning is something like an optional 
detachable or attachable face plate (like the TS480) has.  It may be 
huge in size and for example might have individual band buttons, lots 
of knobs for other functions and maybe single function push button 
instead to press/tap multifunction buttons. Maybe most of the buttons 
could be customized.


Such an offering could satisfy both worlds.  One world doesn't think 
they need any hardware interface and wants to run everything by 
computer.  The second world prefers a more traditional knob/button 
interface. Keep in mind the demographics.  Closely spaced small 
buttons and knobs are difficult for many older people to use.  Reading 
the small captions is also an issue.


The design of such a detachable interface that satisfies most would be 
a challenge.  It may be that there needs to be several different sized 
offerings.  Market size may be a real issue.


In either case, there would be no escape from some menus.  There is 
simply too much functionality to put everything on a hardware interface.


Keep in mind the FLEX history.  It started out as all computer 
control. Then they developed the Maestro hardware interface because 
many found the all computer interface lacking.


73 de Brian/K3KO


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[Elecraft] New Product Idea for Elecraft - addendum

[Dauer, Edward]

The K-Pod (and Fred Cady’s text on macro programming) solved much of the 
problem for me, though I recently added a piece of equipment that greatly 
expands the availability of keyboard-driven macros for the K3 and the KX3 – and 
does a bunch of other stuff including keyer messaging and contest logging with 
serial number increment, which the K3 keyer lacks.  The SideKar or SideKar Plus 
made by QRPWorks.  Painless plug and play for K3 K3S KX3 and KX2.  Also comes 
with Elecraft-level personal service from Shel, KF0UR.  I have no financial 
interest in QRPWorks – just a satisfied customer with now more macro control 
capability than I know how to use.

Ted, KN1CBR


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Byron,

Absolutely not.  Functionality of KPOD is way too limited.

 


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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Wes Stewart]

Have you never turned on VOX when you meant to change bands? Or set up VFO A and 
B to split frequencies and then accidentally (and unknowingly) written A to B 
when you tried to turn on Split?  Your Split indicator gives you comfort but 
you're still transmitting on the DX.  Probably half the, "He's split you moron" 
comments in pileups are directed at K3 owners. And don't even get me started 
about memory management.


So I bought a KPod.  I'll spare you the agony of reading about the tribulations 
I had with that. It took me making a video clip of the malfunction to convince 
Elecraft that the issue I was seeing was real.  Fixed with new firmware in the 
K3S not the KPod. Nevertheless it's a promise unfulfilled.  It's simply a 
trigger for macros you have to write and save in the limited space for macros in 
the radio.  The KPod doesn't save anything.


The other aftermarket keypad solution requires that you own a P3.

I don't mind things infrequently accessed being buried in menus. But how about a 
knob to change bands?  We have a couple of knobs for fine frequency adjustment, 
why not one for coarse adjustment?


Wes  N7WS

On 9/26/2017 11:29 PM, David Gilbert wrote:


I don't understand the need for all that menu access in the first place for 
normal operating.  I've literally operated complete major contests (CQWW, ARRL 
DX, etc) without ever changing anything in the menu, and that covers dramatic 
changes in operating conditions (propagation, QRN, QRM, etc).  Yes, I played 
around with many of the settings when I first got my K3, but once I settled on 
what I felt were the optimum settings for the majority of my operations I 
haven't touched them since.  Everything I need to change on the fly is already 
right there on the front panel.


The fact that there are lots of deep options doesn't mean it makes sense to 
have to constantly diddle with them.


Dave   AB7E


On 9/26/2017 5:49 PM, Emory Schley wrote:
Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered by 
choosing between a dozen switches but sorting through half a dozen menu items 
to change one gives me a headache."
  That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other hams– 
MANY other hams–  complain about menus, but I don't recall ever hearing 
anyone complain about excess knobs, buttons, dials, etc. Reading Ron's 
thoughts made me wonder out loud, why can't Elecraft or some third party make 
a "magic box" that would be completely impotent by itself, but with the 
capability to mate up to one of these small miniaturized wonders like the KX2 
or KX3, and which would contain oodles of manual controls for virtually every 
function the parent rig is capable of providing?
  This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, but would 
act as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, and who like their 
rigs bigger, bulkier and in more traditional formats. I envision a box of 
switches, buttons, knobs, perhaps even gauges that would be cable-fed (or 
wi-fied) from the little parent rig sitting behind the magic box. Its size 
would be whatever was necessary to accommodate the design and would resemble 
a normal-sized base station. You could conceivably have a separate control 
for each function the parent rig provides, or if logic dictated, then several 
controls might be multi-purpose.
  Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use his/her 
KX2/KX3 as a portable rig in the normal way, but when returned to the home 
station, it could be plugged back into the magic box to power it in a more 
expansive and convenient manner.
  Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. Here's one 
they might be able to put on the market, up and running, quickly because most 
of the engineering has already been worked out for the parent rig.

  Emory Schley
N4LP
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[kevino z]

I guess if every menu item had an applicable CAT command, it could be feasible. 
But I don’t think they all do, do they?
-Kevin (KK4YEL)

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of 
electrons were terribly inconvenienced !

On Sep 27, 2017, at 07:52, brian 
> wrote:

Byron,

Absolutely not.  Functionality of KPOD is way too limited.

I think what he is envisioning is something like an optional detachable or 
attachable face plate (like the TS480) has.  It may be huge in size and for 
example might have individual band buttons, lots of knobs for other functions 
and maybe single function push button instead to press/tap multifunction 
buttons.  Maybe most of the buttons could be customized.

Such an offering could satisfy both worlds.  One world doesn't think they need 
any hardware interface and wants to run everything by computer.  The second 
world prefers a more traditional knob/button interface. Keep in mind the 
demographics.  Closely spaced small buttons and knobs are difficult for many 
older people to use.  Reading the small captions is also an issue.

The design of such a detachable interface that satisfies most would be a 
challenge.  It may be that there needs to be several different sized offerings. 
 Market size may be a real issue.

In either case, there would be no escape from some menus.  There is simply too 
much functionality to put everything on a hardware interface.

Keep in mind the FLEX history.  It started out as all computer control. Then 
they developed the Maestro hardware interface because many found the all 
computer interface lacking.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 9/27/2017 1:08 AM, Byron Servies wrote:
Hi there!

Isn't this the niche the K-Pod was supposed to fill?  Fully
programmable external control with additional outputs for station
control?

73, Byron N6NUL
(sorry for the dup, Emory)

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Emory Schley 
> wrote:

Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered by choosing 
between a dozen switches but sorting through half a dozen menu items to change 
one gives me a headache."

That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other hams– MANY 
other hams–  complain about menus, but I don't recall ever hearing anyone 
complain about excess knobs, buttons, dials, etc. Reading Ron's thoughts made 
me wonder out loud, why can't Elecraft or some third party make a "magic box" 
that would be completely impotent by itself, but with the capability to mate up 
to one of these small miniaturized wonders like the KX2 or KX3, and which would 
contain oodles of manual controls for virtually every function the parent rig 
is capable of providing?

This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, but would act 
as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, and who like their rigs 
bigger, bulkier and in more traditional formats. I envision a box of switches, 
buttons, knobs, perhaps even gauges that would be cable-fed (or wi-fied) from 
the little parent rig sitting behind the magic box. Its size would be whatever 
was necessary to accommodate the design and would resemble a normal-sized base 
station. You could conceivably have a separate control for each function the 
parent rig provides, or if logic dictated, then several controls might be 
multi-purpose.

Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use his/her KX2/KX3 
as a portable rig in the normal way, but when returned to the home station, it 
could be plugged back into the magic box to power it in a more expansive and 
convenient manner.

Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. Here's one they 
might be able to put on the market, up and running, quickly because most of the 
engineering has already been worked out for the parent rig.

Emory Schley
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[brian]

Byron,

Absolutely not.  Functionality of KPOD is way too limited.

I think what he is envisioning is something like an optional detachable 
or attachable face plate (like the TS480) has.  It may be huge in size 
and for example might have individual band buttons, lots of knobs for 
other functions and maybe single function push button instead to 
press/tap multifunction buttons.  Maybe most of the buttons could be 
customized.


Such an offering could satisfy both worlds.  One world doesn't think 
they need any hardware interface and wants to run everything by 
computer.  The second world prefers a more traditional knob/button 
interface. Keep in mind the demographics.  Closely spaced small buttons 
and knobs are difficult for many older people to use.  Reading the small 
captions is also an issue.


The design of such a detachable interface that satisfies most would be a 
challenge.  It may be that there needs to be several different sized 
offerings.  Market size may be a real issue.


In either case, there would be no escape from some menus.  There is 
simply too much functionality to put everything on a hardware interface.


Keep in mind the FLEX history.  It started out as all computer control. 
Then they developed the Maestro hardware interface because many found 
the all computer interface lacking.


73 de Brian/K3KO

On 9/27/2017 1:08 AM, Byron Servies wrote:

Hi there!

Isn't this the niche the K-Pod was supposed to fill?  Fully
programmable external control with additional outputs for station
control?

73, Byron N6NUL
(sorry for the dup, Emory)

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Emory Schley  wrote:


Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered by choosing 
between a dozen switches but sorting through half a dozen menu items to change one gives 
me a headache."

That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other hams– MANY other hams– 
 complain about menus, but I don't recall ever hearing anyone complain about excess 
knobs, buttons, dials, etc. Reading Ron's thoughts made me wonder out loud, why can't 
Elecraft or some third party make a "magic box" that would be completely 
impotent by itself, but with the capability to mate up to one of these small miniaturized 
wonders like the KX2 or KX3, and which would contain oodles of manual controls for 
virtually every function the parent rig is capable of providing?

This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, but would act 
as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, and who like their rigs 
bigger, bulkier and in more traditional formats. I envision a box of switches, 
buttons, knobs, perhaps even gauges that would be cable-fed (or wi-fied) from 
the little parent rig sitting behind the magic box. Its size would be whatever 
was necessary to accommodate the design and would resemble a normal-sized base 
station. You could conceivably have a separate control for each function the 
parent rig provides, or if logic dictated, then several controls might be 
multi-purpose.

Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use his/her KX2/KX3 
as a portable rig in the normal way, but when returned to the home station, it 
could be plugged back into the magic box to power it in a more expansive and 
convenient manner.

Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. Here's one they 
might be able to put on the market, up and running, quickly because most of the 
engineering has already been worked out for the parent rig.

Emory Schley
N4LP
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Bill]

I will second what David said - check out his website. I have one and it 
does 98% of my hands on with the K3. You can fully customize the 48 
controls to suit your specific needs. Best addition to the K3 I ever made.


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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Dave Cole (NK7Z)]

Emory,
Check out:

http://nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/

This is a short how to to add a 64 key keypad to the K3/P3, and fire off 
macros to it via that keypad.


You preload the Pr with Macros, and then use the external keypad to fire 
them off to the radio/panadaptor.


73s and thanks,
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[David Gilbert]

I don't understand the need for all that menu access in the first place 
for normal operating.  I've literally operated complete major contests 
(CQWW, ARRL DX, etc) without ever changing anything in the menu, and 
that covers dramatic changes in operating conditions (propagation, QRN, 
QRM, etc).  Yes, I played around with many of the settings when I first 
got my K3, but once I settled on what I felt were the optimum settings 
for the majority of my operations I haven't touched them since.  
Everything I need to change on the fly is already right there on the 
front panel.


The fact that there are lots of deep options doesn't mean it makes sense 
to have to constantly diddle with them.


Dave   AB7E


On 9/26/2017 5:49 PM, Emory Schley wrote:

Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered by choosing 
between a dozen switches but sorting through half a dozen menu items to change one gives 
me a headache."
  
That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other hams– MANY other hams–  complain about menus, but I don't recall ever hearing anyone complain about excess knobs, buttons, dials, etc. Reading Ron's thoughts made me wonder out loud, why can't Elecraft or some third party make a "magic box" that would be completely impotent by itself, but with the capability to mate up to one of these small miniaturized wonders like the KX2 or KX3, and which would contain oodles of manual controls for virtually every function the parent rig is capable of providing?
  
This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, but would act as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, and who like their rigs bigger, bulkier and in more traditional formats. I envision a box of switches, buttons, knobs, perhaps even gauges that would be cable-fed (or wi-fied) from the little parent rig sitting behind the magic box. Its size would be whatever was necessary to accommodate the design and would resemble a normal-sized base station. You could conceivably have a separate control for each function the parent rig provides, or if logic dictated, then several controls might be multi-purpose.
  
Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use his/her KX2/KX3 as a portable rig in the normal way, but when returned to the home station, it could be plugged back into the magic box to power it in a more expansive and convenient manner.
  
Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. Here's one they might be able to put on the market, up and running, quickly because most of the engineering has already been worked out for the parent rig.
  
Emory Schley

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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Don Wilhelm]

During normal operation, the controls on the front of the K3/K3S will 
have all the control that is needed.  There is no need to drill down 
into the menu for operation.


The menu is normally for setup of your K3 which can be customized to 
your preferences before any serious operating events.


I wonder what form of operating you are doing that requires constant 
access to the menu system.


The K-Pod was not intended to alter the menu settings, it is an 
accessory that allows the operator (primarily contester of DXer) who 
uses a keyboard to reach the commonly used controls (VFO A, VFO B and 
RIT) without moving the hands to the radio - it is only a small distance 
to move the hand from the keyboard to the K-Pod.


Yes, the K-Pod can initiate up to 16 K3 Macros via the buttons.  What 
those macros may be are defined by the user.


So if you are constantly using the menu system for some adjustments 
during normal operation, it would be wise to write macros that access 
that menu item(s) from a K-Pod button tap or hold.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/26/2017 9:08 PM, Byron Servies wrote:

Hi there!

Isn't this the niche the K-Pod was supposed to fill?  Fully
programmable external control with additional outputs for station
control?

73, Byron N6NUL

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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Dave Fugleberg]

Have you looked at Win4K3?
I realize it's not the hardware solution you wanted, but it does bring out
all the controls to a PC screen so you can point and click at pretty much
any of them rather than going through the menus on the radio...

I suppose one could build exactly what you proposed using a box of knobs,
switches, and meters connected to an Arduino or similar microcontroller,
which would talk to the radio via the serial port.

I actually did build a controller of sorts using a Arduino nano stuffed
inside an old optical mouse. I used the mouse wheel and buttons and
assigned them specific serial commands to send to the K3. Works pretty well
for its intended purpose. An expansion of that idea could likely give you
most of what you want.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:09 PM Byron Servies  wrote:

> Hi there!
>
> Isn't this the niche the K-Pod was supposed to fill?  Fully
> programmable external control with additional outputs for station
> control?
>
> 73, Byron N6NUL
> (sorry for the dup, Emory)
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Emory Schley  wrote:
> >
> > Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered by
> choosing between a dozen switches but sorting through half a dozen menu
> items to change one gives me a headache."
> >
> > That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other hams–
> MANY other hams–  complain about menus, but I don't recall ever hearing
> anyone complain about excess knobs, buttons, dials, etc. Reading Ron's
> thoughts made me wonder out loud, why can't Elecraft or some third party
> make a "magic box" that would be completely impotent by itself, but with
> the capability to mate up to one of these small miniaturized wonders like
> the KX2 or KX3, and which would contain oodles of manual controls for
> virtually every function the parent rig is capable of providing?
> >
> > This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, but
> would act as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, and who like
> their rigs bigger, bulkier and in more traditional formats. I envision a
> box of switches, buttons, knobs, perhaps even gauges that would be
> cable-fed (or wi-fied) from the little parent rig sitting behind the magic
> box. Its size would be whatever was necessary to accommodate the design and
> would resemble a normal-sized base station. You could conceivably have a
> separate control for each function the parent rig provides, or if logic
> dictated, then several controls might be multi-purpose.
> >
> > Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use his/her
> KX2/KX3 as a portable rig in the normal way, but when returned to the home
> station, it could be plugged back into the magic box to power it in a more
> expansive and convenient manner.
> >
> > Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. Here's one
> they might be able to put on the market, up and running, quickly because
> most of the engineering has already been worked out for the parent rig.
> >
> > Emory Schley
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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Byron Servies]

Hi there!

Isn't this the niche the K-Pod was supposed to fill?  Fully
programmable external control with additional outputs for station
control?

73, Byron N6NUL
(sorry for the dup, Emory)

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Emory Schley  wrote:
>
> Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered by 
> choosing between a dozen switches but sorting through half a dozen menu items 
> to change one gives me a headache."
>
> That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other hams– MANY 
> other hams–  complain about menus, but I don't recall ever hearing anyone 
> complain about excess knobs, buttons, dials, etc. Reading Ron's thoughts made 
> me wonder out loud, why can't Elecraft or some third party make a "magic box" 
> that would be completely impotent by itself, but with the capability to mate 
> up to one of these small miniaturized wonders like the KX2 or KX3, and which 
> would contain oodles of manual controls for virtually every function the 
> parent rig is capable of providing?
>
> This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, but would act 
> as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, and who like their rigs 
> bigger, bulkier and in more traditional formats. I envision a box of 
> switches, buttons, knobs, perhaps even gauges that would be cable-fed (or 
> wi-fied) from the little parent rig sitting behind the magic box. Its size 
> would be whatever was necessary to accommodate the design and would resemble 
> a normal-sized base station. You could conceivably have a separate control 
> for each function the parent rig provides, or if logic dictated, then several 
> controls might be multi-purpose.
>
> Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use his/her 
> KX2/KX3 as a portable rig in the normal way, but when returned to the home 
> station, it could be plugged back into the magic box to power it in a more 
> expansive and convenient manner.
>
> Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. Here's one they 
> might be able to put on the market, up and running, quickly because most of 
> the engineering has already been worked out for the parent rig.
>
> Emory Schley
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[Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

[Emory Schley]

Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered by choosing 
between a dozen switches but sorting through half a dozen menu items to change 
one gives me a headache."
 
That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other hams– MANY 
other hams–  complain about menus, but I don't recall ever hearing anyone 
complain about excess knobs, buttons, dials, etc. Reading Ron's thoughts made 
me wonder out loud, why can't Elecraft or some third party make a "magic box" 
that would be completely impotent by itself, but with the capability to mate up 
to one of these small miniaturized wonders like the KX2 or KX3, and which would 
contain oodles of manual controls for virtually every function the parent rig 
is capable of providing?
 
This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, but would act 
as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, and who like their rigs 
bigger, bulkier and in more traditional formats. I envision a box of switches, 
buttons, knobs, perhaps even gauges that would be cable-fed (or wi-fied) from 
the little parent rig sitting behind the magic box. Its size would be whatever 
was necessary to accommodate the design and would resemble a normal-sized base 
station. You could conceivably have a separate control for each function the 
parent rig provides, or if logic dictated, then several controls might be 
multi-purpose.
 
Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use his/her KX2/KX3 
as a portable rig in the normal way, but when returned to the home station, it 
could be plugged back into the magic box to power it in a more expansive and 
convenient manner.
 
Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. Here's one they 
might be able to put on the market, up and running, quickly because most of the 
engineering has already been worked out for the parent rig.
 
Emory Schley
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[Elecraft] New Product Idea - Rig Switchbox

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I would like to see a switch box that would allow connecting multiple Radios to 
the KPA X series of Elecraft amplifiers.


I have built up something here using coaxial relays to allow switching between 
my K3 and K2
into my KPA500 & KAT500 with the non active radio being terminated into a dummy 
load.

What would be better is a switchbox that also switches the ACC line, Key line 
etc. Preferably one
that would work with any combination of the K3, K3S, KX3, KX2, K2, and even 
non- Elecraft radios.
(I would also say one that switches at least 3 radios into the amplifier)
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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Jeff Cathrow]

 I really like the idea of an "Elecraft 736R" deluxe version that would cover 
all the bands from 6M, 2M, 135cm, 70cm to 903 and 1296mHz without the 
complications of outboard transverters, and sequencers.  Imagine!
 
"Introducing the satellite-capable Elecraft KV/U3S;  MSRP $2595 kit/$2950 
factory-built" (realistically, we must make this a totally worthwhile business 
venture for Wayne and Eric in order to gain their attention first and foremost).
 
Put it in a proper (K3S) size enclosure, give it all-mode capabilities and 
decent power---at least 10 watts on the highest bands.
 
While this idea may not seem worthwhile or feasible at first; just imagine the 
commotion it would make in the amateur radio market.   Such a revolutionary rig 
would totally re-invigorate an otherwise dormant segment of amateur radio and 
give new Technician class hams a great rig with many bands to experiment with 
and enjoy.   All of these VHF and above bands are not so affected by the 
sunspot cycle so many could enjoy another realm of DXing, contesting, 
rag-chewing as well as emergency communications if the need arose at any time.
 
I got my ticket in 1996 just so I could chase DX on 6M.  I had so much fun and 
success on 6 (and 144, 222, 432 and 1296 later on) that it wasn't until 2010 
that I upgraded my ticket so as to enjoy HF as well.  
 
With the K3S Elecraft has now taken HF rigs about as far up the refinement 
ladder towards perfection as is possible; now it is time to advance the 
state-of-the-art in the VHF-UHF and microwave arena and get things rolling 
there again.
 
If you build a freeway in the middle of nowhere it won't be long before it 
fills up with traffic;  thus I bet dollars to doughnuts that a KV/U3S rig would 
sell like virtual hotcakes and its presence would stimulate a return to the 
extra short waves in no time at all.
 
I propose that Elecraft put a poll on their website where we could be counted 
as potential purchasers for such a rig.  I'm sure there's a lot of us diehard 
VHFers that would hock our grandmothers to purchase one if it ever came to 
reality! 
 
Hope this idea takes root in Aptos.
 
Optimistically,
 
Jeff,   NH7RO
 
 
 
 
 
 




 
 
  
 

  
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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[mfsj]

I agree 100% with you and would be a buyer, but Eric closed this thread.
Fred N0AZZ 


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Date: 10/15/2015  11:43 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Digest 
<elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter 
 I really like the idea of an "Elecraft 736R" deluxe version that would cover 
all the bands from 6M, 2M, 135cm, 70cm to 903 and 1296mHz without the 
complications of outboard transverters, and sequencers.  Imagine!
 
"Introducing the satellite-capable Elecraft KV/U3S;  MSRP $2595 kit/$2950 
factory-built" (realistically, we must make this a totally worthwhile business 
venture for Wayne and Eric in order to gain their attention first and foremost).
 
Put it in a proper (K3S) size enclosure, give it all-mode capabilities and 
decent power---at least 10 watts on the highest bands.
 
While this idea may not seem worthwhile or feasible at first; just imagine the 
commotion it would make in the amateur radio market.   Such a revolutionary rig 
would totally re-invigorate an otherwise dormant segment of amateur radio and 
give new Technician class hams a great rig with many bands to experiment with 
and enjoy.   All of these VHF and above bands are not so affected by the 
sunspot cycle so many could enjoy another realm of DXing, contesting, 
rag-chewing as well as emergency communications if the need arose at any time.
 
I got my ticket in 1996 just so I could chase DX on 6M.  I had so much fun and 
success on 6 (and 144, 222, 432 and 1296 later on) that it wasn't until 2010 
that I upgraded my ticket so as to enjoy HF as well.  
 
With the K3S Elecraft has now taken HF rigs about as far up the refinement 
ladder towards perfection as is possible; now it is time to advance the 
state-of-the-art in the VHF-UHF and microwave arena and get things rolling 
there again.
 
If you build a freeway in the middle of nowhere it won't be long before it 
fills up with traffic;  thus I bet dollars to doughnuts that a KV/U3S rig would 
sell like virtual hotcakes and its presence would stimulate a return to the 
extra short waves in no time at all.
 
I propose that Elecraft put a poll on their website where we could be counted 
as potential purchasers for such a rig.  I'm sure there's a lot of us diehard 
VHFers that would hock our grandmothers to purchase one if it ever came to 
reality! 
 
Hope this idea takes root in Aptos.
 
Optimistically,
 
Jeff,   NH7RO
 
 
 
 
 
 



    
 
 
  
 

          
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[Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Jose Rivera]

I humbly submit the following product idea to Elecraft. 

 

A two meter all mode radio, encased in the current KX3 body. All the components 
of this radio are already
being made by Elecraft, except for a needed ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also 
recommend making it at least
25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so much the better.

 

Jose B Rivera 

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https://twitter.com/N2LRB

www.facebook.com/N2LRB

 

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Jessie Oberreuter]

 H, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736?  I would be seriously down for 
that!



On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote:


Excellent idea except for power output a 100w for an all mode would be good but 
in a K3s cabinet and  many of its features.

Fred N0AZZ


Sent from my iPad


On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera  wrote:

I humbly submit the following product idea to Elecraft.



A two meter all mode radio, encased in the current KX3 body. All the components 
of this radio are already
being made by Elecraft, except for a needed ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also 
recommend making it at least
25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so much the better.



Jose B Rivera

N2LRB

www.n2lrb.com

https://twitter.com/N2LRB

www.facebook.com/N2LRB







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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Richard Kendrick]

If you're going to go multi-band VHF/UHF, including 220 MHz would be very nice.

Richard N7NT


On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Fred Smith  wrote:

> Excellent idea except for power output a 100w for an all mode would be good 
> but in a K3s cabinet and  many of its features.
> 
> Fred N0AZZ
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera  wrote:
>> 
>> I humbly submit the following product idea to Elecraft. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the current KX3 body. All the 
>> components of this radio are already
>> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd 
>> also recommend making it at least
>> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so much the better.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jose B Rivera 
>> 
>> N2LRB
>> 
>> www.n2lrb.com
>> 
>> https://twitter.com/N2LRB
>> 
>> www.facebook.com/N2LRB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Fred Smith]

Excellent idea except for power output a 100w for an all mode would be good but 
in a K3s cabinet and  many of its features.

Fred N0AZZ
 

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera  wrote:
> 
> I humbly submit the following product idea to Elecraft. 
> 
> 
> 
> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the current KX3 body. All the 
> components of this radio are already
> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd 
> also recommend making it at least
> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so much the better.
> 
> 
> 
> Jose B Rivera 
> 
> N2LRB
> 
> www.n2lrb.com
> 
> https://twitter.com/N2LRB
> 
> www.facebook.com/N2LRB
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

I'd give that another big  "H".

A 21 century FT-736  the size of a K3...???

144, 222, 432 & maybe 1296 optional.  Where do I
sign?

It would certainly be more convenient than a bunch
of transverters.

I don't think it would have to run much power to
be useful since anyone serious is gonna have some
big amps anyway.

In the effort of compactness, maybe 5 to 10 watts
tri-band + a couple watts on 1296 as a field
installable option.

73, Charlie k3ICH

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Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter


  H, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736?  I
would be seriously down for that!


On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote:

> Excellent idea except for power output a 100w
for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet
and  many of its features.
>
> Fred N0AZZ
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera
<n2...@n2lrb.com> wrote:
>>
>> I humbly submit the following product idea to
Elecraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the
current KX3 body. All the components of this radio
are already
>> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed
ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend
making it at least
>> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so
much the better.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jose B Rivera
>>
>> N2LRB
>>
>> www.n2lrb.com
>>
>> https://twitter.com/N2LRB
>>
>> www.facebook.com/N2LRB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Jim Lowman]

Yes, I have a Kenwood TS-2000X, which is good for 100 watts on 6m and 
2m, 50 watts on 432 MHz and 10 watts on 1296 MHz.  I bought it for that 
purpose.


The only thing missing is the 222 MHz band, and the only activity on 
that band in this, the second-largest metropolitan area in the US, is 
during contests, and most of that is on FM. Apparently that was not the 
case here, 10 or so years ago.  I don't think your IC-9100 does 222 MHz, 
either.


With a K3S, I wouldn't even consider using the TS-2000X on HF.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 10/14/2015 3:03 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

The 100w would give you more choice of amps and running without one for a lot 
of modes. I have an IC-9100 and it does all of those bands plus HF and D-Star. 
But a K line one would be very appealing.

Fred N0AZZ

Sent from my iPad


On Oct 14, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH <pin...@erols.com> wrote:

I'd give that another big  "H".

A 21 century FT-736  the size of a K3...???

144, 222, 432 & maybe 1296 optional.  Where do I
sign?

It would certainly be more convenient than a bunch
of transverters.

I don't think it would have to run much power to
be useful since anyone serious is gonna have some
big amps anyway.

In the effort of compactness, maybe 5 to 10 watts
tri-band + a couple watts on 1296 as a field
installable option.

73, Charlie k3ICH

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Behalf Of Jessie Oberreuter
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:44 PM
To: Fred Smith <m...@totalhighspeed.com>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; n2...@n2lrb.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter


  H, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736?  I
would be seriously down for that!



On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote:

Excellent idea except for power output a 100w

for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet
and  many of its features.


Fred N0AZZ


Sent from my iPad


On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera

<n2...@n2lrb.com> wrote:


I humbly submit the following product idea to

Elecraft.




A two meter all mode radio, encased in the

current KX3 body. All the components of this radio
are already

being made by Elecraft, except for a needed

ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend
making it at least

25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so

much the better.




Jose B Rivera

N2LRB

www.n2lrb.com

https://twitter.com/N2LRB

www.facebook.com/N2LRB

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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Ken G Kopp]

An all-mode VHF/UHF, 30 to 50 watt radio in a KX3 - sized box?  (;-)

73 - K0PP
On Oct 14, 2015 2:40 PM, "Richard Kendrick"  wrote:

> If you're going to go multi-band VHF/UHF, including 220 MHz would be very
> nice.
>
> Richard N7NT
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Fred Smith  wrote:
>
> > Excellent idea except for power output a 100w for an all mode would be
> good but in a K3s cabinet and  many of its features.
> >
> > Fred N0AZZ
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera  wrote:
> >>
> >> I humbly submit the following product idea to Elecraft.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the current KX3 body. All the
> components of this radio are already
> >> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed ATU. Suggested price $500.
> I'd also recommend making it at least
> >> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so much the better.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jose B Rivera
> >>
> >> N2LRB
> >>
> >> www.n2lrb.com
> >>
> >> https://twitter.com/N2LRB
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Rose]

Everyone seems to have missed that the original poster is wanting all this
in a
KX3  repeat, a KX3  housing.  Most seem to have missed / ignored
this. (;-(

73

Ken - K0PP
On Oct 14, 2015 4:44 PM, "Jim Lowman" <jmlow...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Yes, I have a Kenwood TS-2000X, which is good for 100 watts on 6m and 2m,
> 50 watts on 432 MHz and 10 watts on 1296 MHz.  I bought it for that purpose.
>
> The only thing missing is the 222 MHz band, and the only activity on that
> band in this, the second-largest metropolitan area in the US, is during
> contests, and most of that is on FM. Apparently that was not the case here,
> 10 or so years ago.  I don't think your IC-9100 does 222 MHz, either.
>
> With a K3S, I wouldn't even consider using the TS-2000X on HF.
>
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
> On 10/14/2015 3:03 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
>
>> The 100w would give you more choice of amps and running without one for a
>> lot of modes. I have an IC-9100 and it does all of those bands plus HF and
>> D-Star. But a K line one would be very appealing.
>>
>> Fred N0AZZ
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH <pin...@erols.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd give that another big  "H".
>>>
>>> A 21 century FT-736  the size of a K3...???
>>>
>>> 144, 222, 432 & maybe 1296 optional.  Where do I
>>> sign?
>>>
>>> It would certainly be more convenient than a bunch
>>> of transverters.
>>>
>>> I don't think it would have to run much power to
>>> be useful since anyone serious is gonna have some
>>> big amps anyway.
>>>
>>> In the effort of compactness, maybe 5 to 10 watts
>>> tri-band + a couple watts on 1296 as a field
>>> installable option.
>>>
>>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Elecraft
>>> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On
>>> Behalf Of Jessie Oberreuter
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:44 PM
>>> To: Fred Smith <m...@totalhighspeed.com>
>>> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; n2...@n2lrb.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter
>>>
>>>
>>>   H, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736?  I
>>> would be seriously down for that!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Excellent idea except for power output a 100w
>>>>
>>> for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet
>>> and  many of its features.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fred N0AZZ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera
>>>>>
>>>> <n2...@n2lrb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I humbly submit the following product idea to
>>>>>
>>>> Elecraft.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the
>>>>>
>>>> current KX3 body. All the components of this radio
>>> are already
>>>
>>>> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed
>>>>>
>>>> ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend
>>> making it at least
>>>
>>>> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so
>>>>>
>>>> much the better.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jose B Rivera
>>>>>
>>>>> N2LRB
>>>>>
>>>>> www.n2lrb.com
>>>>>
>>>>> https://twitter.com/N2LRB
>>>>>
>>>>> www.facebook.com/N2LRB
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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Fred Smith]

The 100w would give you more choice of amps and running without one for a lot 
of modes. I have an IC-9100 and it does all of those bands plus HF and D-Star. 
But a K line one would be very appealing.

Fred N0AZZ

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> On Oct 14, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH <pin...@erols.com> wrote:
> 
> I'd give that another big  "H".
> 
> A 21 century FT-736  the size of a K3...???
> 
> 144, 222, 432 & maybe 1296 optional.  Where do I
> sign?
> 
> It would certainly be more convenient than a bunch
> of transverters.
> 
> I don't think it would have to run much power to
> be useful since anyone serious is gonna have some
> big amps anyway.
> 
> In the effort of compactness, maybe 5 to 10 watts
> tri-band + a couple watts on 1296 as a field
> installable option.
> 
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
> 
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> To: Fred Smith <m...@totalhighspeed.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter
> 
> 
>  H, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736?  I
> would be seriously down for that!
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote:
>> 
>> Excellent idea except for power output a 100w
> for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet
> and  many of its features.
>> 
>> Fred N0AZZ
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera
> <n2...@n2lrb.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I humbly submit the following product idea to
> Elecraft.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the
> current KX3 body. All the components of this radio
> are already
>>> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed
> ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend
> making it at least
>>> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so
> much the better.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jose B Rivera
>>> 
>>> N2LRB
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> https://twitter.com/N2LRB
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Jim Lowman]

At the Elecraft presentation that Eric did at Pacificon last year, I 
threw out this exact idea for his consideration.


Given that Elecraft already has the technology to produce tranverters 
for the K2 and K3 for 2m, 222 MHz and 432 MHz, I suggested a single box 
to contain all three bands, all modes, and with a minimum of 50 watts 
output.


Eric was receptive to the concept, but said he didn't think that there 
would be a large enough market for such a transceiver.  He's also the 
business guy with Elecraft, so I have to believe what he said.


Submitting the idea to the list a while back, the general consensus 
seemed to agree, adding that the VHF/UHF weak-signal operator pool is 
shrinking.


The discussion is in the archives.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 10/14/2015 1:51 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

An all-mode VHF/UHF, 30 to 50 watt radio in a KX3 - sized box?  (;-)

73 - K0PP
On Oct 14, 2015 2:40 PM, "Richard Kendrick"  wrote:


If you're going to go multi-band VHF/UHF, including 220 MHz would be very
nice.

Richard N7NT

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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Fred Smith]

Thank God for Icom then I guess my 9100 works fine on all bands but wasted my 
money on the 1296 module very little use there. 

Fred N0AZZ

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> On Oct 14, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Jim Lowman  wrote:
> 
> Given

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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Edward R Cole]

Obviously most of you never built something and had to add up the cost!

Getting 50-100w multi-mode, multi-band into a KX3 sized package for 
under $500 - dreamers!
It cost nearly that just for the linear amp.  I suppose you want the 
KX3 with 50w amp for the same cost.
Not going to happen.  Well maybe if its made by wooosengmoo in China 
(hope I didn't do a swear word).


You get what you pay for - if you are lucky!

A 144/222/432/902/1296 dual-conversion SDR with 10w output would be a 
novel idea.  Direct IQ I/F via USB3.  Make the bands modular slide in 
cards with separate ANT connectors on the pcb.  Make any two bands 
full duplex so it usable for satellite work. ALL VFO-PLL 
locked.  Cost $2000-2500 and you will have a parade of folks lining 
up for one.  Maybe shoe-horn it into a box 50% of the volume of a K3s 
with same control area.


Add on amplifiers for more power from many sources so no need to 
reinvent that wheel.


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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Guys - Thanks for all the new ideas regarding a VHF/UHF radio :-)

Let's let the thread and for now in the interest of keeping list volume under 
control.


73

Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter

[Fred Smith]

Your correct no 222 on it but was a lot better than my old TS2000X I had before 
it.

Fred N0AZZ

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> On Oct 14, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Jim Lowman <jmlow...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I have a Kenwood TS-2000X, which is good for 100 watts on 6m and 2m, 50 
> watts on 432 MHz and 10 watts on 1296 MHz.  I bought it for that ...purpose.
> 
> The only thing missing is the 222 MHz band, and the only activity on that 
> band in this, the second-largest metropolitan area in the US, is during 
> contests, and most of that is on FM. Apparently that was not the case here, 
> 10 or so years ago.  I don't think your IC-9100 does 222 MHz, either.
> 
> With a K3S, I wouldn't even consider using the TS-2000X on HF.
> 
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
> 
>> On 10/14/2015 3:03 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
>> The 100w would give you more choice of amps and running without one for a 
>> lot of modes. I have an IC-9100 and it does all of those bands plus HF and 
>> D-Star. But a K line one would be very appealing.
>> 
>> Fred N0AZZ
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH <pin...@erols.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'd give that another big  "H".
>>> 
>>> A 21 century FT-736  the size of a K3...???
>>> 
>>> 144, 222, 432 & maybe 1296 optional.  Where do I
>>> sign?
>>> 
>>> It would certainly be more convenient than a bunch
>>> of transverters.
>>> 
>>> I don't think it would have to run much power to
>>> be useful since anyone serious is gonna have some
>>> big amps anyway.
>>> 
>>> In the effort of compactness, maybe 5 to 10 watts
>>> tri-band + a couple watts on 1296 as a field
>>> installable option.
>>> 
>>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Elecraft
>>> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On
>>> Behalf Of Jessie Oberreuter
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:44 PM
>>> To: Fred Smith <m...@totalhighspeed.com>
>>> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; n2...@n2lrb.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  H, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736?  I
>>> would be seriously down for that!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Excellent idea except for power output a 100w
>>> for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet
>>> and  many of its features.
>>>> 
>>>> Fred N0AZZ
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera
>>> <n2...@n2lrb.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I humbly submit the following product idea to
>>> Elecraft.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the
>>> current KX3 body. All the components of this radio
>>> are already
>>>>> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed
>>> ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend
>>> making it at least
>>>>> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so
>>> much the better.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jose B Rivera
>>>>> 
>>>>> N2LRB
>>>>> 
>>>>> www.n2lrb.com
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>>>>> https://twitter.com/N2LRB
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RE: [Elecraft] New product idea

[Darwin, Keith]

Yea, that's what I'm thinking.  Can it be tied to the ALC line in an
Elecraft rig?  I still think it would be a fabulous accessory for the
fine Elecraft folks to make...
 
- Keith -



From: G8IFF/KC8NHF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:23 PM
To: Darwin, Keith
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New product idea


You mean something like this.

 *pic of LDG meter snipped* 

Darwin, Keith wrote: 

Hey guys,
 
The K1 is a great rig ... but ... I sure miss a real S-meter.
I'd love
to see Elecraft make an external S / Pwr meter that hooks to the
K1 or
K2.
 
- Keith KD1E -
- K1, Omni V -
 
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[Elecraft] New product idea

[Darwin, Keith]

Hey guys,
 
The K1 is a great rig ... but ... I sure miss a real S-meter.  I'd love
to see Elecraft make an external S / Pwr meter that hooks to the K1 or
K2.
 
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