Re: [Elecraft] posting style
Also, any AOL users who don't already know, the default reply mode is HTML. To defeat this and reply in plain text, right click the mouse cursor in the text window (but not on the text) and select the menu item at bottom of list "Compose in Plain Text". Works for v9.x, haven't tried older versions. This needs to be done for each new session, but usually only first response. Al WA6VNN ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] posting style
On Fri, 2007-06-29 at 17:05 +0100, Julian G4ILO wrote: > The only way I can get a reply to go to the list is to select Reply > All, which is hidden in a menu. That's gmail's fault for not providing a "reply to list" option. You could send them a feature request (I believe there is an online form for doing this), but I haven't found them very responsive in the past. Maybe they just don't like my feature requests! ;-) > GMail does display messages in threads, which is one reason why it is > a very good way to read this list. Well, it groups them together into what gmail calls "conversations". This is not quite the same as a threading email reader which displays them in a hierarchical tree - and not as useful either. > I can see the In-Reply-To:, but > GMail is obviously clever enough to know that despite that, if the > subject header changes it is probably a new topic. Incorrect (and non-standard) behaviour for a mail client. Threads often drift slowly over time, and eventually someone changes the subject line; or often people will change the subject line to be more specific to their own post which is still about the same topic. I would not want my mail reader displaying these as new threads. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] posting style
On Fri, 2007-06-29 at 11:36 -0400, Ian Stirling wrote: > I do not have a "reply-to" field in my headers, > so I suspect strongly that the destination of your > reply is determined by your email software setting, > nothing to do with my settings. Supporting this > notion, when I "reply" to my own posting, the > destination is to the list, not to me. And replying > to certain members' posts, the destinations are their > personal addresses because they have a "reply-to" in > their headers, a function of their software settings. You are correct that you have no reply-to header, but if I reply to your message, it still goes to you, not the list. This is because the message has a bunch of headers telling my mail client that this message is a post to an email list. This is common behaviour for some (perhaps many?) mail clients. I'm not sure which is considered the "correct" behaviour and don't really care enough to go look up the RFC's - assuming they even specify a "correct" behaviour. My mail client, btw, has two ways I can reply: reply (goes to you) and reply to list (goes to the list), which I find to be a very useful way of doing it. > Sounds like you aren't displaying threads because > Charles's header clearly contains, Yep, definitely a reply to Don's message and part of the KAT100 thread and your email client (like mine) is correct in showing it as part of that thread. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] posting style
On 6/29/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I do not have a "reply-to" field in my headers, so I suspect strongly that the destination of your reply is determined by your email software setting, nothing to do with my settings. Supporting this notion, when I "reply" to my own posting, the destination is to the list, not to me. And replying to certain members' posts, the destinations are their personal addresses because they have a "reply-to" in their headers, a function of their software settings. Sounds like you aren't displaying threads because Charles's header clearly contains, "In-Reply-To: [Don's message ID] You are probably displaying the messages in subject order, not threads. Your message to me has the headers: From: Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net The only way I can get a reply to go to the list is to select Reply All, which is hidden in a menu. Then a reply goes to the sender and a separate Cc to the list. You'll probably get two copies of this. :) If anyone knows how to make Reply All the default option in GMail I'd be extremely grateful. GMail does display messages in threads, which is one reason why it is a very good way to read this list. I can see the In-Reply-To:, but GMail is obviously clever enough to know that despite that, if the subject header changes it is probably a new topic. 73, -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? www.Ham-Directory.com: the best ham resources on the net ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] posting style
Well, Well... That did it! I thought all my email was in text, but apparently not. Thanks, Tom -Original Message- From: Dave Van Wallaghen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:34 AM To: 'KJ3D' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] posting style Tom, Not sure if this is the same problem I had or not, but make sure your email editor is set for text only for submitting to the list. I had mine defaulted to HTML and any time I composed a new message and submitted it to the list, it was rejected. Although, I think I got a message stating so. If you reply to the list, the email editor defaults to whatever the originating post was composed with, which is why replies worked for me and not new submittals. 73, Dave W8FGU > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:elecraft- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KJ3D > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:26 AM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] posting style > > OK, > > I've had this problem since joining the reflector. > > I just sent a test message to: > > elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > The message was promptly returned to my inbox with the following notation: > > QUOTE > > A message (from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) was received at 29 Jun 2007 > 15:11:03 > +. > > The following addresses had delivery problems: > > > Permanent Failure: Other address status > Delivery last attempted at Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:11:03 - > > END QUOTE > > I have tried EVERYTHING I can think of to get a message to the list > WITHOUT using the reply button on someone else's post (as I did with > this message). > I know that creates a nesting problem, but don't know how to fix it. > > Please tell me the single, correct address to send messages to the > reflector, and I will use it. > > Thanks es 73 > > Tom, KJ3D > K2/100 4991 > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] posting style
On Friday 29 June 2007 03:29:18 Julian G4ILO wrote: > Hitting "reply" here addresses the reply to the sender of the posting > I'm replying to, not the list, which is a real pain as I'm getting too > old and stupid to always remember to change the recipient to > elecraft@mailman.qth.net before hitting "send". > > By the way, Charles' posting showed up as a new thread for me. I do not have a "reply-to" field in my headers, so I suspect strongly that the destination of your reply is determined by your email software setting, nothing to do with my settings. Supporting this notion, when I "reply" to my own posting, the destination is to the list, not to me. And replying to certain members' posts, the destinations are their personal addresses because they have a "reply-to" in their headers, a function of their software settings. Sounds like you aren't displaying threads because Charles's header clearly contains, "In-Reply-To: [Don's message ID] You are probably displaying the messages in subject order, not threads. Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962 -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] posting style
OK, I've had this problem since joining the reflector. I just sent a test message to: elecraft@mailman.qth.net The message was promptly returned to my inbox with the following notation: QUOTE A message (from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) was received at 29 Jun 2007 15:11:03 +. The following addresses had delivery problems: Permanent Failure: Other address status Delivery last attempted at Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:11:03 - END QUOTE I have tried EVERYTHING I can think of to get a message to the list WITHOUT using the reply button on someone else's post (as I did with this message). I know that creates a nesting problem, but don't know how to fix it. Please tell me the single, correct address to send messages to the reflector, and I will use it. Thanks es 73 Tom, KJ3D K2/100 4991 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] posting style
On 6/29/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wish people would understand that hitting "reply" on a message in order to pick up the list address is not the correct way to start a new thread. Hitting "reply" here addresses the reply to the sender of the posting I'm replying to, not the list, which is a real pain as I'm getting too old and stupid to always remember to change the recipient to elecraft@mailman.qth.net before hitting "send". By the way, Charles' posting showed up as a new thread for me. 73, -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? www.Ham-Directory.com: the best ham resources on the net ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] posting style
On Friday 29 June 2007 00:45:44 Charles Harpole wrote: > Please, no offense meant, but could Elecraft posters please put the model > name of the subject of your post in the subject line of the message? I wish people would understand that hitting "reply" on a message in order to pick up the list address is not the correct way to start a new thread. Charles, your intended top level, new thread, is nested two deep in the KAT100 thread started by Scott. Hitting "reply" and changing the subject does not start a new thread. Threads, (references in the usually invisible headers), are a way to allow changing subjects as topics change and still link to the origins. Hitting "reply" within a thread with an unrelated topic is not only bad netiquette, the sender risks those bored with the thread won't even see it because they don't open the possibly uninteresting thread below which it was posted. Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962 -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] posting style
Please, no offense meant, but could Elecraft posters please put the model name of the subject of your post in the subject line of the message? Much as I should love the K2, I really would rather read only the K3 posts... and a notation in the subject line would let me go to K3 stuff only. A big thank you to one and all.. 73 Charles HarpoleHS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
