Re: [Elecraft] PTT-Key Settings won't save

[Josh Fiden]

This is the solution. Bob showed me how to do it before the UNSAFE option 
existed AFAIK. I wasn’t aware it was a fixable problem beyond booting computer 
first and only powering radio after everything was stable, or setting TX TEST 
mode. All a pain. 

Do this. 

73
Josh W6XU 

> On Jul 5, 2024, at 11:39 AM, Bob Wilson, N6TV  wrote:
> 
> Once you learn how to fix this unwanted keying issue in Windows, there's
> little reason to ever use the default UNSAFE option of *CONFIG:PTT-KEY*
> (tap '1' to toggle between "USB SAFE" or "UNSAFE").  The K4 does not have
> any equivalent option because it is simply not needed.
> 
> To prevent unwanted keying of your K3 or K4 about 6 or 7 times when using
> DTR or RTS to key the rig, just disable two COM port settings (Serial
> Enumeration and Modem Control at Startup) using Windows Device Manager.
> Just follow the instructions and screenshots in this short document, linked
> from my QRZ.COM page :
> 
>   - How to prevent unexpected transmissions when using FTDI USB-to-Serial
>   adapters  (online Google Doc, from post
>   
> 
> to
>   Elecraft Reflector, August 12th, 2018)
> 
> This applies to the Elecraft K3S, or a K3 with the FTDI version of the
> Elecraft KUSB, or the Elecraft K4, or the CW / FSK / PTT keying circuits in
> my S-BOX-USB .
> 
> If using a legacy 9-pin serial port on a PC like COM1: for keying, a simple
> registry edit is required.  See pages 29 to 33 in this PowerPoint
> Presentation for the details, or contact me OFF LINE for help via TeamViewer
> QuickSupport  if you
> don't want to attempt this yourself:
> 
>   - Everything You Need to Know About USB and Serial Interfaces
>   , updated for 2021, presented to Spokane
>   DX Association, Feb. 3rd, 2022
>  - Watch YouTube recording of this presentation here
>  .
> 
> Note that moving a rig's USB cable to a new USB hub (internal or external),
> or using commercial "device driver updater" software (not recommended), or
> a major Windows update like upgrading from Windows 10 to Window 11, will
> usually reset these important driver options back to defaults, so if the
> keying problem returns, simply perform this procedure again.
> 
> Then set CONFIG:PTT-KEY to UNSAFE and there will be no more hassles.
> 
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] PTT-Key Settings won't save

[Frank Stein via Elecraft]

Thanks Bob.

73,
Frank
W4TG

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 2:38 PM Bob Wilson, N6TV  wrote:

> Once you learn how to fix this unwanted keying issue in Windows, there's
> little reason to ever use the default UNSAFE option of *CONFIG:PTT-KEY*
> (tap '1' to toggle between "USB SAFE" or "UNSAFE").  The K4 does not have
> any equivalent option because it is simply not needed.
>
> To prevent unwanted keying of your K3 or K4 about 6 or 7 times when using
> DTR or RTS to key the rig, just disable two COM port settings (Serial
> Enumeration and Modem Control at Startup) using Windows Device Manager.
> Just follow the instructions and screenshots in this short document, linked
> from my QRZ.COM page :
>
>- How to prevent unexpected transmissions when using FTDI
>USB-to-Serial adapters  (online Google Doc,
>from post
>
> 
>  to
>Elecraft Reflector, August 12th, 2018)
>
> This applies to the Elecraft K3S, or a K3 with the FTDI version of the
> Elecraft KUSB, or the Elecraft K4, or the CW / FSK / PTT keying circuits in
> my S-BOX-USB .
>
> If using a legacy 9-pin serial port on a PC like COM1: for keying, a
> simple registry edit is required.  See pages 29 to 33 in this PowerPoint
> Presentation for the details, or contact me OFF LINE for help via TeamViewer
> QuickSupport  if you
> don't want to attempt this yourself:
>
>- Everything You Need to Know About USB and Serial Interfaces
>, updated for 2021, presented to Spokane
>DX Association, Feb. 3rd, 2022
>   - Watch YouTube recording of this presentation here
>   .
>
> Note that moving a rig's USB cable to a new USB hub (internal or
> external), or using commercial "device driver updater" software (not
> recommended), or a major Windows update like upgrading from Windows 10 to
> Window 11, will usually reset these important driver options back to
> defaults, so if the keying problem returns, simply perform this procedure
> again.
>
> Then set CONFIG:PTT-KEY to UNSAFE and there will be no more hassles.
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:42 PM W3FPR  wrote:
>
>> Frank,
>>
>> Yes it should bring up RTS-DTR after the port is polled.
>> When running with Unsafe mode, pay attention to when the K3 is turned on
>> and when the computer is turned on.  At times, you may have to turn the
>> computer on after the K3, and an easy way to prevent the extraneous
>> keying is to either use TEST mode or simply turn VOX off during the
>> computer boot time.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 7/4/2024 6:54 PM, Frank Stein wrote:
>> > Don,
>> > Bingo. That, in fact, was the problem.  Turning on "Unsafe" solves the
>> > problem.  I use cwtype which sends to the com port and doesn't poll
>> > the comm port.
>> > Assuming I was using a program like N1MM, which does read from the com
>> > port (for frequencies), do I just set the PTT-KEY to RTS-DTR and turn
>> > on USB-safe and the rig will automatically set up RTS-DTR after it
>> > receives a poll?
>> >
>> > Thanks for the help everyone.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> > Frank
>> >
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT-Key Settings won't save

[Bob Wilson, N6TV]

Once you learn how to fix this unwanted keying issue in Windows, there's
little reason to ever use the default UNSAFE option of *CONFIG:PTT-KEY*
(tap '1' to toggle between "USB SAFE" or "UNSAFE").  The K4 does not have
any equivalent option because it is simply not needed.

To prevent unwanted keying of your K3 or K4 about 6 or 7 times when using
DTR or RTS to key the rig, just disable two COM port settings (Serial
Enumeration and Modem Control at Startup) using Windows Device Manager.
Just follow the instructions and screenshots in this short document, linked
from my QRZ.COM page :

   - How to prevent unexpected transmissions when using FTDI USB-to-Serial
   adapters  (online Google Doc, from post
   

to
   Elecraft Reflector, August 12th, 2018)

This applies to the Elecraft K3S, or a K3 with the FTDI version of the
Elecraft KUSB, or the Elecraft K4, or the CW / FSK / PTT keying circuits in
my S-BOX-USB .

If using a legacy 9-pin serial port on a PC like COM1: for keying, a simple
registry edit is required.  See pages 29 to 33 in this PowerPoint
Presentation for the details, or contact me OFF LINE for help via TeamViewer
QuickSupport  if you
don't want to attempt this yourself:

   - Everything You Need to Know About USB and Serial Interfaces
   , updated for 2021, presented to Spokane
   DX Association, Feb. 3rd, 2022
  - Watch YouTube recording of this presentation here
  .

Note that moving a rig's USB cable to a new USB hub (internal or external),
or using commercial "device driver updater" software (not recommended), or
a major Windows update like upgrading from Windows 10 to Window 11, will
usually reset these important driver options back to defaults, so if the
keying problem returns, simply perform this procedure again.

Then set CONFIG:PTT-KEY to UNSAFE and there will be no more hassles.

73,
Bob, N6TV


On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:42 PM W3FPR  wrote:

> Frank,
>
> Yes it should bring up RTS-DTR after the port is polled.
> When running with Unsafe mode, pay attention to when the K3 is turned on
> and when the computer is turned on.  At times, you may have to turn the
> computer on after the K3, and an easy way to prevent the extraneous
> keying is to either use TEST mode or simply turn VOX off during the
> computer boot time.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/4/2024 6:54 PM, Frank Stein wrote:
> > Don,
> > Bingo. That, in fact, was the problem.  Turning on "Unsafe" solves the
> > problem.  I use cwtype which sends to the com port and doesn't poll
> > the comm port.
> > Assuming I was using a program like N1MM, which does read from the com
> > port (for frequencies), do I just set the PTT-KEY to RTS-DTR and turn
> > on USB-safe and the rig will automatically set up RTS-DTR after it
> > receives a poll?
> >
> > Thanks for the help everyone.
> >
> > 73,
> > Frank
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT-Key Settings won't save

[W3FPR]

Frank,

Yes it should bring up RTS-DTR after the port is polled.
When running with Unsafe mode, pay attention to when the K3 is turned on 
and when the computer is turned on.  At times, you may have to turn the 
computer on after the K3, and an easy way to prevent the extraneous 
keying is to either use TEST mode or simply turn VOX off during the 
computer boot time.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/4/2024 6:54 PM, Frank Stein wrote:

Don,
Bingo. That, in fact, was the problem.  Turning on "Unsafe" solves the 
problem.  I use cwtype which sends to the com port and doesn't poll 
the comm port.
Assuming I was using a program like N1MM, which does read from the com 
port (for frequencies), do I just set the PTT-KEY to RTS-DTR and turn 
on USB-safe and the rig will automatically set up RTS-DTR after it 
receives a poll?


Thanks for the help everyone.

73,
Frank


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Re: [Elecraft] PTT-Key Settings won't save

[Frank Stein via Elecraft]

Don,
Bingo. That, in fact, was the problem.  Turning on "Unsafe" solves the
problem.  I use cwtype which sends to the com port and doesn't poll the
comm port.
Assuming I was using a program like N1MM, which does read from the com port
(for frequencies), do I just set the PTT-KEY to RTS-DTR and turn on
USB-safe and the rig will automatically set up RTS-DTR after it receives a
poll?

Thanks for the help everyone.

73,
Frank

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 1:43 PM W3FPR  wrote:

> Frank,
>
> That is a "safety feature" because if the computer is turned on after
> the K3 is powered up, it can key the K3 when the computer tests/sets its
> ports.
> Once things have settled down at the computer, PTT-KEY should resort to
> whatever it was set before the power off.
>
> You can find the full explaination in the full firmware  release notes.
> It was some time ago,, so I suggest searching the release notes for
> PTT-KEY to find it.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/4/2024 12:23 PM, Frank Stein via Elecraft wrote:
> > Just clarify this strange behavior.
> > I use the Config Menu to set the PTT-Key to RTS-DTR.  As long as I don't
> > turn off the rig, it works correctly.  Once I turn off via the front
> panel
> > power switch, it loses this setting and goes back to OFF-OFF.
> > If while it is set to RTS-DTR I do a SAVE CONFIGURATION in the utility, I
> > can restore to the RTS-DTR values until I turn my power off.
> > Then it goes back to OFF-OFF.
> >
> > Other config settings such a 1 or 2 speakers still can be changed and the
> > change is stored even after a power off/on.
> > Where are the settings stored in the K3?  EPROM?  Could one memory cell
> in
> > an EPROM go bad?
> > Is there a way to "factory reset" or something to clear this problem?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Frank
> > W4TG
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:41 AM Jim Brown 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/3/2024 8:14 PM, Frank Stein via Elecraft wrote:
> >>> Any thoughts on what might cause this? And how to fix it?
> >> Are you turning off the radio with the front panel button, or are you
> >> turning off the power supply?  Elecraft radios save their setting when
> >> they are turned off by that switch. If not with that switch, they will
> >> boot up with the last saved settings.
> >>
> >> 73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] PTT-Key Settings won't saven I

[Bob McGraw]

I use FLDIGI and in doing so I configure the radio PTT and KEY in the 
FLDIGI application.  When I load FLDIGI and go to CW mode, the radio 
switches to CW mode and the PTT - KEY switches to RTS - DTR.   When I 
close FLDIGI the radio switches back to OFF - OFF. I've checked another 
couple of applications that I rarely use and they control the radio 
correctly.  So I'd say the configuration is handled by and saved the 
application and NOT the radio.


One MUST always shut the K3S down by the power switch on the front 
panel, and never by the power supply.


73

Bob, K4TAX

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Just clarify this strange behavior.
I use the Config Menu to set the PTT-Key to RTS-DTR.  As long as I don't
turn off the rig, it works correctly.  Once I turn off via the front panel
power switch, it loses this setting and goes back to OFF-OFF.
If while it is set to RTS-DTR I do a SAVE CONFIGURATION in the utility, I
can restore to the RTS-DTR values until I turn my power off.
Then it goes back to OFF-OFF.

Other config settings such a 1 or 2 speakers still can be changed and the
change is stored even after a power off/on.
Where are the settings stored in the K3?  EPROM?  Could one memory cell in
an EPROM go bad?
Is there a way to "factory reset" or something to clear this problem?

Thanks,
Frank
W4TG

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Re: [Elecraft] PTT-Key Settings won't save

[Ray]

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Re: [Elecraft] PTT-Key Settings won't save

[W3FPR]

Frank,

That is a "safety feature" because if the computer is turned on after 
the K3 is powered up, it can key the K3 when the computer tests/sets its 
ports.
Once things have settled down at the computer, PTT-KEY should resort to 
whatever it was set before the power off.


You can find the full explaination in the full firmware  release notes.  
It was some time ago,, so I suggest searching the release notes for 
PTT-KEY to find it.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/4/2024 12:23 PM, Frank Stein via Elecraft wrote:

Just clarify this strange behavior.
I use the Config Menu to set the PTT-Key to RTS-DTR.  As long as I don't
turn off the rig, it works correctly.  Once I turn off via the front panel
power switch, it loses this setting and goes back to OFF-OFF.
If while it is set to RTS-DTR I do a SAVE CONFIGURATION in the utility, I
can restore to the RTS-DTR values until I turn my power off.
Then it goes back to OFF-OFF.

Other config settings such a 1 or 2 speakers still can be changed and the
change is stored even after a power off/on.
Where are the settings stored in the K3?  EPROM?  Could one memory cell in
an EPROM go bad?
Is there a way to "factory reset" or something to clear this problem?

Thanks,
Frank
W4TG

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:41 AM Jim Brown  wrote:


On 7/3/2024 8:14 PM, Frank Stein via Elecraft wrote:

Any thoughts on what might cause this? And how to fix it?

Are you turning off the radio with the front panel button, or are you
turning off the power supply?  Elecraft radios save their setting when
they are turned off by that switch. If not with that switch, they will
boot up with the last saved settings.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT-Key Settings won't save

[Frank Stein via Elecraft]

Just clarify this strange behavior.
I use the Config Menu to set the PTT-Key to RTS-DTR.  As long as I don't
turn off the rig, it works correctly.  Once I turn off via the front panel
power switch, it loses this setting and goes back to OFF-OFF.
If while it is set to RTS-DTR I do a SAVE CONFIGURATION in the utility, I
can restore to the RTS-DTR values until I turn my power off.
Then it goes back to OFF-OFF.

Other config settings such a 1 or 2 speakers still can be changed and the
change is stored even after a power off/on.
Where are the settings stored in the K3?  EPROM?  Could one memory cell in
an EPROM go bad?
Is there a way to "factory reset" or something to clear this problem?

Thanks,
Frank
W4TG

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:41 AM Jim Brown  wrote:

> On 7/3/2024 8:14 PM, Frank Stein via Elecraft wrote:
> > Any thoughts on what might cause this? And how to fix it?
>
> Are you turning off the radio with the front panel button, or are you
> turning off the power supply?  Elecraft radios save their setting when
> they are turned off by that switch. If not with that switch, they will
> boot up with the last saved settings.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT-Key Settings won't save

[Jim Brown]

On 7/3/2024 8:14 PM, Frank Stein via Elecraft wrote:

Any thoughts on what might cause this? And how to fix it?


Are you turning off the radio with the front panel button, or are you 
turning off the power supply?  Elecraft radios save their setting when 
they are turned off by that switch. If not with that switch, they will 
boot up with the last saved settings.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] PTT-Key Settings won't save

[Frank Stein via Elecraft]

Since Field Day, a new problem has appeared in my K3.
I noticed that the PTT-Key Configs settings (RTS and DTR) are not saved
when I turn off the rig.   Speaker + Headset configuration is saved as is 2
Speakers.  What would cause the PTT-Key configuration to not be saved?

Any thoughts on what might cause this? And how to fix it?

Thanks,
Frank
W4TG
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Re: [Elecraft] ptt-key

[Keith Trinity WE6R]

PTT KEY setting not Sticky upon reboot power cycle. See Manual ERRATA;
https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3S/Manuals%20Downloads/E740258E%20K3S%20Owner's%20man%20errata%20A1-2.pdf
PTT/KEY USE WITH THE USB PORT IMPROVED: Some PC applications can control 
PTT and KEY at the K3S via the RTS/DTR signals of the USB port. However, 
use of these signals may also allow the PC’s USB port initialization to 
unexpectedly activate transmit at the K3S. This can happen if the 
computer is turned on after the K3S, or if the USB cable is not 
connected. There is now a "Safe" mode (the default) which disables 
PTT-KEY transmit until the K3S receives a command via USB, such as a 
read of the rig's VFO frequency. To turn on safe mode on/off, go into 
CONFIG:PTT-KEY and tap '1' to select "USB SAFE" or "UNSAFE". Exit the 
menu and turn the K3S off/on. Applications that use PTT KEY via USB but 
never send commands may require "UNSAFE" mode. In this case, unwanted 
transmit can be avoided by turning the PC on before the K3S

Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech

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Re: [Elecraft] ptt-key

[W3FPR]

Evert,

I am recalling that this is intentional to keep the K3/K3S from being 
keyed when the computer is powered up after the K3.  IIRC the mechanism 
is reversed after some action at the computer port. Do a search through 
the Firmware archives for mention of PTT-KEY to find the answer.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/4/2024 4:21 PM, ev...@pa2kw.com wrote:

I changed the PTT-KEY setting in my K3s (K3+KIO3B) to DTR-RTS, but powering off 
it returns to OFF-OFF.

Can this be stored permanent or am I missing something?



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Re: [Elecraft] ptt-key

[evert]

Hi George,

Using the power button of the K3s first.


73, Evert

PA2KW / 5T2KW / W8S 

-Original Message-
From: ev...@pa2kw.com  
Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2024 22:58
To: 'George Fremin III' 
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] ptt-key

Hi George,

Using the power button of the K3s first.


73, Evert

PA2KW / 5T2KW / W8S 

-Original Message-
From: George Fremin III 
Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2024 22:43
To: ev...@pa2kw.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ptt-key

Powering off with power button or Turing off power supply? 

George Fremin III

> On Apr 4, 2024, at 3:38 PM, ev...@pa2kw.com wrote:
> 
> I changed the PTT-KEY setting in my K3s (K3+KIO3B) to DTR-RTS, but powering 
> off it returns to OFF-OFF.
> 
> Can this be stored permanent or am I missing something?
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Evert
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] ptt-key

[George Fremin III]

Powering off with power button or Turing off power supply? 

George Fremin III

> On Apr 4, 2024, at 3:38 PM, ev...@pa2kw.com wrote:
> 
> I changed the PTT-KEY setting in my K3s (K3+KIO3B) to DTR-RTS, but powering 
> off it returns to OFF-OFF.
> 
> Can this be stored permanent or am I missing something?
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Evert
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[Elecraft] ptt-key

[evert]

I changed the PTT-KEY setting in my K3s (K3+KIO3B) to DTR-RTS, but powering off 
it returns to OFF-OFF.

Can this be stored permanent or am I missing something? 

 

73, Evert

 

  PA2KW /   5T2KW / 
  W8S 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY

[Rich]

Correct

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> On Apr 27, 2018, at 22:42, Nr4c  wrote:
> 
> Don’t forget if you are operating radio from battery, computer must also run 
> on battery if using computer to control the radio. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 7:00 PM, Rich  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.  I got it working today.  Really great simple setup for FD this 
>> year.  One USB CABLE and you are good to go
>> 
>> Fantastic!
>> 
>> Typos sent by my iphone
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 17:57, Nr4c  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The PTT part of the “PTT KEY” setting can be used to turn ON the 
>>> transmitter for RTTY (AFSK) and other digital modes. Use either RTS or DTR 
>>> for this. The KEY portion is used to send CW (Morse code) either with the 
>>> key input or paddle input.  You will need VOX set to ON for this to work. 
>>> Use which-ever of DTR/RTS you don’t use for PTT. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 27, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Rich  wrote:
 
 Can this feature be used for AFSK RTTY or just CW?
 
 I am having trouble getting Writelog and the K3 to work with PTT KEY
 
 Rich
 K3RWN
 
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY

[Nr4c]

Don’t forget if you are operating radio from battery, computer must also run on 
battery if using computer to control the radio. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Apr 27, 2018, at 7:00 PM, Rich  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  I got it working today.  Really great simple setup for FD this year. 
>  One USB CABLE and you are good to go
> 
> Fantastic!
> 
> Typos sent by my iphone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 17:57, Nr4c  wrote:
>> 
>> The PTT part of the “PTT KEY” setting can be used to turn ON the transmitter 
>> for RTTY (AFSK) and other digital modes. Use either RTS or DTR for this. The 
>> KEY portion is used to send CW (Morse code) either with the key input or 
>> paddle input.  You will need VOX set to ON for this to work. Use which-ever 
>> of DTR/RTS you don’t use for PTT. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Rich  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can this feature be used for AFSK RTTY or just CW?
>>> 
>>> I am having trouble getting Writelog and the K3 to work with PTT KEY
>>> 
>>> Rich
>>> K3RWN
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY

[Rich]

Thanks.  I got it working today.  Really great simple setup for FD this year.  
One USB CABLE and you are good to go

Fantastic!

Typos sent by my iphone

> On Apr 27, 2018, at 17:57, Nr4c  wrote:
> 
> The PTT part of the “PTT KEY” setting can be used to turn ON the transmitter 
> for RTTY (AFSK) and other digital modes. Use either RTS or DTR for this. The 
> KEY portion is used to send CW (Morse code) either with the key input or 
> paddle input.  You will need VOX set to ON for this to work. Use which-ever 
> of DTR/RTS you don’t use for PTT. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Rich  wrote:
>> 
>> Can this feature be used for AFSK RTTY or just CW?
>> 
>> I am having trouble getting Writelog and the K3 to work with PTT KEY
>> 
>> Rich
>> K3RWN
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY

[Nr4c]

The PTT part of the “PTT KEY” setting can be used to turn ON the transmitter 
for RTTY (AFSK) and other digital modes. Use either RTS or DTR for this. The 
KEY portion is used to send CW (Morse code) either with the key input or paddle 
input.  You will need VOX set to ON for this to work. Use which-ever of DTR/RTS 
you don’t use for PTT. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Apr 27, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Rich  wrote:
> 
> Can this feature be used for AFSK RTTY or just CW?
> 
> I am having trouble getting Writelog and the K3 to work with PTT KEY
> 
> Rich
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[Elecraft] PTT KEY

[Rich]

Can this feature be used for AFSK RTTY or just CW?

I am having trouble getting Writelog and the K3 to work with PTT KEY

Rich
K3RWN

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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[danny . higgins]

No, I always power OFF using the K3S Power Switch.

Regards,

Danny Higgins

From: Nr4c
Sent: 23 May 2016 18:58
To: danny.higgins
Cc: Don Wilhelm; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Are you using the Power switch on the radio or by chance turning OFF the 
power-supply?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 23, 2016, at 2:33 AM, danny.higgins  wrote:
> 
> WSJT not running – K3S not connected to PC.  I still need to reset PTT-KEY 
> after a power cycle – it always goes back to OFF-OFF.  The same thing happens 
> in USB or DATA modes.
> 
> Danny, G3XVR
> 
> From: Don Wilhelm
> Sent: 23 May 2016 06:26
> To: danny.higgins; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
> 
> Danny,
> 
> Do a test without WSJT running.  Set PTT key config to DTR - OFF, then 
> cycle power on the K3S.  Does that setting survive the power cycle?  If 
> so, it is not a K3S problem, look to the WSJT software for the solution.
> If it does not survive the power cycle, contact K3Support.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 5/23/2016 1:08 AM, danny.higgins wrote:
>> I have this on my K3S with the latest firmware. I use WSJT to key the K3S 
>> via the USB port and I operate in USB mode, not Data.  Every time I power 
>> the K3S OFF I need to reset the PTT Key config to DTR – OFF.
>> 
>> Danny, G3XVR
>> 
>> 
>> From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
>> Sent: 23 May 2016 04:29
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>> 
>> Which radio is it? I've never seen this on my K3.
>> If you are running some kind of rig control software, try it with the
>> software not running.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> 
>>> On 23 May 2016 05:51, Ken Arck wrote:
>>> Sounds like a call to Elecraft tomorrow because this is repeatable!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:
>>>> That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Fred KE7X
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken
>>>> Arck 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
>>>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>>>> 
>>>> I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be
>>>> non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to
>>>> OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't
>>>> 
>>>> Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and
>>>> that setting reverts.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[n9tf]

Hi Gary, 
  
Firmware 5.33 was the improvement for this. See below in my message. (posted 
earlier this morning). If you have Unsafe mode toggled these settings will not 
default back to OFF-OFF. 
  
Even in the Safe mode, I have noticed the rig needs to have been powered down 
for more than a few seconds/minutes to reset to OFF-OFF. A test I ran this 
morning was to turn off rig "first" then power supply off and kept off for 5 
minutes each, SAFE MODE and UNSAFE MODE, powered up the supply first then the 
K3S, and found in SAFE MODE the PTT-KEY had reset to OFF-OFF, but not in UNSAFE 
MODE. 
  
  


"* PTT/KEY USE WITH THE USB PORT IMPROVED: PC applications can activate PTT and 
KEY at the K3S via the USB port's RTS/DTR signals. However, initial setup of 
the rig's USB port by the PC may cause pulsed or continuous activation of the 
transmitter. This can happen if the computer is turned on after the K3S, or if 
the USB cable is not connected. There is now a "Safe" mode (the default) which 
disables PTT-KEY transmit until the K3S receives a command via USB, such as a 
read of the rig's VFO frequency. To turn on safe mode on/off, go into 
CONFIG:PTT-KEY and tap '1' to select "USB SAFE" or "UNSAFE". Exit the menu and 
turn the K3S off/on. Applications that use PTT-KEY via USB but never send 
commands may require "UNSAFE" mode. In this case, unwanted transmit can be 
avoided by turning the PC on before the K3S." 

  

73 Gene, N9TF 

K3S 10057 

  

- Original Message -

From: "Gary Smith"  
To: "elecraft"  
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:57:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile? 

I just checked on my K3s and after the multiple off/on cycles, the 
PTT-KEY was and still remains set to RTS-DTR and I'm using the latest 
firmware. 

Gary 
KA1J 


>   It may be something unique to the K3S.  My older K3 didn't do it, but 
> the new K3S (#10641) always reverts to PTT KEY OFF-OFF on a power cycle. 
>   must be a glitch in the FW.  It IS completely repeatable as the OP 
> stated.  Definitely call Elecraft Support on it. 
> 
> Jim - W0EB 
> 
> -- Original Message ------ 
> From: "Gene Gabry"  
> To: "'danny.higgins'" ; 
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: 5/23/2016 7:17:03 AM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile? 
> 
> >Same thing happens here with K3S SN 10057. I have no digital SW running 
> >or rig control at the time of power down. If I set PTT to DTR and power 
> >down for some period of time, PTT defaults back to OFF when power up. 
> >Always done that since day one. I thought there was some update done in 
> >latest firmware to PTT-KEY line to default those to OFF so when PC was 
> >restarted K3S would not go into TX? 
> > 
> > 
> >>> 
> >>>  At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote: 
> >>>>  That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed. 
> >>>>  Cheers, 
> >>>>  Fred KE7X 
> >>>> 
> >>>>   
> >>>>  From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken 
> >>>>  Arck  
> >>>>  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM 
> >>>>  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> >>>>  Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile? 
> >>>> 
> >>>>  I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be 
> >>>>  non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts 
> >>>>to 
> >>>>  OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't 
> >>>> 
> >>>>  Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and 
> >>>>  that setting reverts. 
> >>>> 
> >>>>  Ken 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[Gary Smith]

I just checked on my K3s and after the multiple off/on cycles, the 
PTT-KEY was and still remains set to RTS-DTR and I'm using the latest 
firmware.

Gary
KA1J


>   It may be something unique to the K3S.  My older K3 didn't do it, but 
> the new K3S (#10641) always reverts to PTT KEY OFF-OFF on a power cycle. 
>   must be a glitch in the FW.  It IS completely repeatable as the OP 
> stated.  Definitely call Elecraft Support on it.
> 
> Jim - W0EB
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Gene Gabry" 
> To: "'danny.higgins'" ; 
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: 5/23/2016 7:17:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
> 
> >Same thing happens here with K3S SN 10057. I have no digital SW running 
> >or rig control at the time of power down. If I set PTT to DTR and power 
> >down for some period of time, PTT defaults back to OFF when power up. 
> >Always done that since day one. I thought there was some update done in 
> >latest firmware to PTT-KEY line to default those to OFF so when PC was 
> >restarted K3S would not go into TX?
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>  At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:
> >>>>  That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
> >>>>  Cheers,
> >>>>  Fred KE7X
> >>>>
> >>>>  
> >>>>  From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken
> >>>>  Arck 
> >>>>  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
> >>>>  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> >>>>  Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
> >>>>
> >>>>  I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be
> >>>>  non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts 
> >>>>to
> >>>>  OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't
> >>>>
> >>>>  Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and
> >>>>  that setting reverts.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Ken
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[Nr4c]

Are you using the Power switch on the radio or by chance turning OFF the 
power-supply?

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...nr4c. bill


> On May 23, 2016, at 2:33 AM, danny.higgins  wrote:
> 
> WSJT not running – K3S not connected to PC.  I still need to reset PTT-KEY 
> after a power cycle – it always goes back to OFF-OFF.  The same thing happens 
> in USB or DATA modes.
> 
> Danny, G3XVR
> 
> From: Don Wilhelm
> Sent: 23 May 2016 06:26
> To: danny.higgins; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
> 
> Danny,
> 
> Do a test without WSJT running.  Set PTT key config to DTR - OFF, then 
> cycle power on the K3S.  Does that setting survive the power cycle?  If 
> so, it is not a K3S problem, look to the WSJT software for the solution.
> If it does not survive the power cycle, contact K3Support.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 5/23/2016 1:08 AM, danny.higgins wrote:
>> I have this on my K3S with the latest firmware. I use WSJT to key the K3S 
>> via the USB port and I operate in USB mode, not Data.  Every time I power 
>> the K3S OFF I need to reset the PTT Key config to DTR – OFF.
>> 
>> Danny, G3XVR
>> 
>> 
>> From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
>> Sent: 23 May 2016 04:29
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>> 
>> Which radio is it? I've never seen this on my K3.
>> If you are running some kind of rig control software, try it with the
>> software not running.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> 
>>> On 23 May 2016 05:51, Ken Arck wrote:
>>> Sounds like a call to Elecraft tomorrow because this is repeatable!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:
>>>> That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Fred KE7X
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken
>>>> Arck 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
>>>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>>>> 
>>>> I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be
>>>> non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to
>>>> OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't
>>>> 
>>>> Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and
>>>> that setting reverts.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[danny . higgins]

Yes, running in UNSAFE mode remembers the PTT-KEY setting. 

Danny, G3XVR

From: Gene Gabry
Sent: 23 May 2016 13:30
To: 'danny.higgins'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Check the updates to latest firmware version. There is a safe mode and Unsafe 
mode for the PTT-Key line. In Unsafe mode PTT-Key line should not turn off.

* PTT/KEY USE WITH THE USB PORT IMPROVED:  PC applications can activate PTT and 
KEY at the K3S via the USB port's RTS/DTR signals. However, initial setup of 
the rig's USB port by the PC may cause pulsed or continuous activation of the 
transmitter. This can happen if the computer is turned on after the K3S, or if 
the USB cable is not connected. There is now a "Safe" mode (the default) which 
disables PTT-KEY transmit until the K3S receives a command via USB, such as a 
read of the rig's VFO frequency. To turn on safe mode on/off, go into 
CONFIG:PTT-KEY and tap '1' to select "USB SAFE" or "UNSAFE". Exit the menu and 
turn the K3S off/on. Applications that use PTT-KEY via USB but never send 
commands may require "UNSAFE" mode. In this case, unwanted transmit can be 
avoided by turning the PC on before the K3S.

Gene, N9TF

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gene Gabry
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 7:17 AM
To: 'danny.higgins'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Same thing happens here with K3S SN 10057. I have no digital SW running or rig 
control at the time of power down. If I set PTT to DTR and power down for some 
period of time, PTT defaults back to OFF when power up. Always done that since 
day one. I thought there was some update done in latest firmware to PTT-KEY 
line to default those to OFF so when PC was restarted K3S would not go into TX?

Gene, N9TF

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
danny.higgins
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:34 AM
To: Don Wilhelm; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

WSJT not running – K3S not connected to PC.  I still need to reset PTT-KEY 
after a power cycle – it always goes back to OFF-OFF.  The same thing happens 
in USB or DATA modes.

Danny, G3XVR

From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: 23 May 2016 06:26
To: danny.higgins; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Danny,

Do a test without WSJT running.  Set PTT key config to DTR - OFF, then cycle 
power on the K3S.  Does that setting survive the power cycle?  If so, it is not 
a K3S problem, look to the WSJT software for the solution.
If it does not survive the power cycle, contact K3Support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2016 1:08 AM, danny.higgins wrote:
> I have this on my K3S with the latest firmware. I use WSJT to key the K3S via 
> the USB port and I operate in USB mode, not Data.  Every time I power the K3S 
> OFF I need to reset the PTT Key config to DTR – OFF.
>
> Danny, G3XVR
>
>
> From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Sent: 23 May 2016 04:29
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>
> Which radio is it? I've never seen this on my K3.
> If you are running some kind of rig control software, try it with the 
> software not running.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 23 May 2016 05:51, Ken Arck wrote:
>> Sounds like a call to Elecraft tomorrow because this is repeatable!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:
>>> That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Fred KE7X
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken 
>>> Arck 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
>>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>>>
>>> I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be 
>>> non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to 
>>> OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't
>>>
>>> Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and 
>>> that setting reverts.
>>>
>>> Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[danny . higgins]

Yes, I reported that one just after I got S/N 10105. It worked at home using 
the USB interface, but when I went to IOTA last year it powered up in TX mode 
when the USB lead was not connected.  It took a few phone calls to sort it out, 
but once we knew what the problem was it was easy to get round.

I still have a problem here.  If I configure the K3S to operate via the USB 
lead, then power down, remove the USB lead, power back up then set the config 
for PTT_KEY to be DTR-OFF, then the K3S immediately goes into TX and stays 
there until I re-connect the USB lead.  It sounds as though there is still 
something not quite right with the keying logic yet.

Danny, G3XVR

From: Gene Gabry
Sent: 23 May 2016 13:17
To: 'danny.higgins'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Same thing happens here with K3S SN 10057. I have no digital SW running or rig 
control at the time of power down. If I set PTT to DTR and power down for some 
period of time, PTT defaults back to OFF when power up. Always done that since 
day one. I thought there was some update done in latest firmware to PTT-KEY 
line to default those to OFF so when PC was restarted K3S would not go into TX?

Gene, N9TF

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
danny.higgins
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:34 AM
To: Don Wilhelm; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

WSJT not running – K3S not connected to PC.  I still need to reset PTT-KEY 
after a power cycle – it always goes back to OFF-OFF.  The same thing happens 
in USB or DATA modes.

Danny, G3XVR

From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: 23 May 2016 06:26
To: danny.higgins; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Danny,

Do a test without WSJT running.  Set PTT key config to DTR - OFF, then cycle 
power on the K3S.  Does that setting survive the power cycle?  If so, it is not 
a K3S problem, look to the WSJT software for the solution.
If it does not survive the power cycle, contact K3Support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2016 1:08 AM, danny.higgins wrote:
> I have this on my K3S with the latest firmware. I use WSJT to key the K3S via 
> the USB port and I operate in USB mode, not Data.  Every time I power the K3S 
> OFF I need to reset the PTT Key config to DTR – OFF.
>
> Danny, G3XVR
>
>
> From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Sent: 23 May 2016 04:29
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>
> Which radio is it? I've never seen this on my K3.
> If you are running some kind of rig control software, try it with the 
> software not running.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 23 May 2016 05:51, Ken Arck wrote:
>> Sounds like a call to Elecraft tomorrow because this is repeatable!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:
>>> That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Fred KE7X
>>>
>>> ____________
>>> From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken 
>>> Arck 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
>>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>>>
>>> I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be 
>>> non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to 
>>> OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't
>>>
>>> Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and 
>>> that setting reverts.
>>>
>>> Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[Jim Sheldon]

 It may be something unique to the K3S.  My older K3 didn't do it, but 
the new K3S (#10641) always reverts to PTT KEY OFF-OFF on a power cycle. 
 must be a glitch in the FW.  It IS completely repeatable as the OP 
stated.  Definitely call Elecraft Support on it.


Jim - W0EB

-- Original Message --
From: "Gene Gabry" 
To: "'danny.higgins'" ; 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Sent: 5/23/2016 7:17:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Same thing happens here with K3S SN 10057. I have no digital SW running 
or rig control at the time of power down. If I set PTT to DTR and power 
down for some period of time, PTT defaults back to OFF when power up. 
Always done that since day one. I thought there was some update done in 
latest firmware to PTT-KEY line to default those to OFF so when PC was 
restarted K3S would not go into TX?





 At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:

 That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
 Cheers,
 Fred KE7X

 
 From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken
 Arck 
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

 I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be
 non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts 
to

 OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't

 Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and
 that setting reverts.

 Ken





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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[Gene Gabry]

Check the updates to latest firmware version. There is a safe mode and Unsafe 
mode for the PTT-Key line. In Unsafe mode PTT-Key line should not turn off.

* PTT/KEY USE WITH THE USB PORT IMPROVED:  PC applications can activate PTT and 
KEY at the K3S via the USB port's RTS/DTR signals. However, initial setup of 
the rig's USB port by the PC may cause pulsed or continuous activation of the 
transmitter. This can happen if the computer is turned on after the K3S, or if 
the USB cable is not connected. There is now a "Safe" mode (the default) which 
disables PTT-KEY transmit until the K3S receives a command via USB, such as a 
read of the rig's VFO frequency. To turn on safe mode on/off, go into 
CONFIG:PTT-KEY and tap '1' to select "USB SAFE" or "UNSAFE". Exit the menu and 
turn the K3S off/on. Applications that use PTT-KEY via USB but never send 
commands may require "UNSAFE" mode. In this case, unwanted transmit can be 
avoided by turning the PC on before the K3S.

Gene, N9TF

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gene Gabry
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 7:17 AM
To: 'danny.higgins'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Same thing happens here with K3S SN 10057. I have no digital SW running or rig 
control at the time of power down. If I set PTT to DTR and power down for some 
period of time, PTT defaults back to OFF when power up. Always done that since 
day one. I thought there was some update done in latest firmware to PTT-KEY 
line to default those to OFF so when PC was restarted K3S would not go into TX?

Gene, N9TF

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
danny.higgins
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:34 AM
To: Don Wilhelm; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

WSJT not running – K3S not connected to PC.  I still need to reset PTT-KEY 
after a power cycle – it always goes back to OFF-OFF.  The same thing happens 
in USB or DATA modes.

Danny, G3XVR

From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: 23 May 2016 06:26
To: danny.higgins; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Danny,

Do a test without WSJT running.  Set PTT key config to DTR - OFF, then cycle 
power on the K3S.  Does that setting survive the power cycle?  If so, it is not 
a K3S problem, look to the WSJT software for the solution.
If it does not survive the power cycle, contact K3Support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2016 1:08 AM, danny.higgins wrote:
> I have this on my K3S with the latest firmware. I use WSJT to key the K3S via 
> the USB port and I operate in USB mode, not Data.  Every time I power the K3S 
> OFF I need to reset the PTT Key config to DTR – OFF.
>
> Danny, G3XVR
>
>
> From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Sent: 23 May 2016 04:29
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>
> Which radio is it? I've never seen this on my K3.
> If you are running some kind of rig control software, try it with the 
> software not running.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 23 May 2016 05:51, Ken Arck wrote:
>> Sounds like a call to Elecraft tomorrow because this is repeatable!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:
>>> That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Fred KE7X
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken 
>>> Arck 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
>>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>>>
>>> I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be 
>>> non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to 
>>> OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't
>>>
>>> Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and 
>>> that setting reverts.
>>>
>>> Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[Gene Gabry]

Same thing happens here with K3S SN 10057. I have no digital SW running or rig 
control at the time of power down. If I set PTT to DTR and power down for some 
period of time, PTT defaults back to OFF when power up. Always done that since 
day one. I thought there was some update done in latest firmware to PTT-KEY 
line to default those to OFF so when PC was restarted K3S would not go into TX?

Gene, N9TF

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
danny.higgins
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:34 AM
To: Don Wilhelm; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

WSJT not running – K3S not connected to PC.  I still need to reset PTT-KEY 
after a power cycle – it always goes back to OFF-OFF.  The same thing happens 
in USB or DATA modes.

Danny, G3XVR

From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: 23 May 2016 06:26
To: danny.higgins; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Danny,

Do a test without WSJT running.  Set PTT key config to DTR - OFF, then cycle 
power on the K3S.  Does that setting survive the power cycle?  If so, it is not 
a K3S problem, look to the WSJT software for the solution.
If it does not survive the power cycle, contact K3Support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2016 1:08 AM, danny.higgins wrote:
> I have this on my K3S with the latest firmware. I use WSJT to key the K3S via 
> the USB port and I operate in USB mode, not Data.  Every time I power the K3S 
> OFF I need to reset the PTT Key config to DTR – OFF.
>
> Danny, G3XVR
>
>
> From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Sent: 23 May 2016 04:29
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>
> Which radio is it? I've never seen this on my K3.
> If you are running some kind of rig control software, try it with the 
> software not running.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 23 May 2016 05:51, Ken Arck wrote:
>> Sounds like a call to Elecraft tomorrow because this is repeatable!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:
>>> That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Fred KE7X
>>>
>>> ____________
>>> From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken 
>>> Arck 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
>>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>>>
>>> I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be 
>>> non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to 
>>> OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't
>>>
>>> Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and 
>>> that setting reverts.
>>>
>>> Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[danny . higgins]

WSJT not running – K3S not connected to PC.  I still need to reset PTT-KEY 
after a power cycle – it always goes back to OFF-OFF.  The same thing happens 
in USB or DATA modes.

Danny, G3XVR

From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: 23 May 2016 06:26
To: danny.higgins; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Danny,

Do a test without WSJT running.  Set PTT key config to DTR - OFF, then 
cycle power on the K3S.  Does that setting survive the power cycle?  If 
so, it is not a K3S problem, look to the WSJT software for the solution.
If it does not survive the power cycle, contact K3Support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2016 1:08 AM, danny.higgins wrote:
> I have this on my K3S with the latest firmware. I use WSJT to key the K3S via 
> the USB port and I operate in USB mode, not Data.  Every time I power the K3S 
> OFF I need to reset the PTT Key config to DTR – OFF.
>
> Danny, G3XVR
>
>
> From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Sent: 23 May 2016 04:29
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>
> Which radio is it? I've never seen this on my K3.
> If you are running some kind of rig control software, try it with the
> software not running.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 23 May 2016 05:51, Ken Arck wrote:
>> Sounds like a call to Elecraft tomorrow because this is repeatable!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:
>>> That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Fred KE7X
>>>
>>> ____________
>>> From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken
>>> Arck 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
>>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>>>
>>> I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be
>>> non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to
>>> OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't
>>>
>>> Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and
>>> that setting reverts.
>>>
>>> Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[Don Wilhelm]

Danny,

Do a test without WSJT running.  Set PTT key config to DTR - OFF, then 
cycle power on the K3S.  Does that setting survive the power cycle?  If 
so, it is not a K3S problem, look to the WSJT software for the solution.

If it does not survive the power cycle, contact K3Support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2016 1:08 AM, danny.higgins wrote:

I have this on my K3S with the latest firmware. I use WSJT to key the K3S via 
the USB port and I operate in USB mode, not Data.  Every time I power the K3S 
OFF I need to reset the PTT Key config to DTR – OFF.

Danny, G3XVR


From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
Sent: 23 May 2016 04:29
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Which radio is it? I've never seen this on my K3.
If you are running some kind of rig control software, try it with the
software not running.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 23 May 2016 05:51, Ken Arck wrote:

Sounds like a call to Elecraft tomorrow because this is repeatable!




At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:

That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X


From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken
Arck 
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be
non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to
OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't

Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and
that setting reverts.

Ken

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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[danny . higgins]

I have this on my K3S with the latest firmware. I use WSJT to key the K3S via 
the USB port and I operate in USB mode, not Data.  Every time I power the K3S 
OFF I need to reset the PTT Key config to DTR – OFF.

Danny, G3XVR


From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
Sent: 23 May 2016 04:29
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

Which radio is it? I've never seen this on my K3.
If you are running some kind of rig control software, try it with the 
software not running.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 23 May 2016 05:51, Ken Arck wrote:
> Sounds like a call to Elecraft tomorrow because this is repeatable!
>
>
>
>
> At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:
>> That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
>> Cheers,
>> Fred KE7X
>>
>> 
>> From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken
>> Arck 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?
>>
>> I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be
>> non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to
>> OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't
>>
>> Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and
>> that setting reverts.
>>
>> Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO]

Which radio is it? I've never seen this on my K3.
If you are running some kind of rig control software, try it with the 
software not running.


73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 23 May 2016 05:51, Ken Arck wrote:

Sounds like a call to Elecraft tomorrow because this is repeatable!




At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:

That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X


From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken
Arck 
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be
non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to
OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't

Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and
that setting reverts.

Ken

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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[Ken Arck]

Sounds like a call to Elecraft tomorrow because this is repeatable!




At 07:42 PM 5/22/2016, Cady, Fred wrote:

That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X


From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken 
Arck 

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be
non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to
OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't

Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and
that setting reverts.

Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[Cady, Fred]

That doesn't sound right.  I don't think mine has ever changed.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X


From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ken Arck 

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:23 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be
non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to
OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't

Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and
that setting reverts.

Ken
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[Elecraft] PTT KEY CONFIG setting volatile?

[Ken Arck]

I notice the PTT KEY selection under CONFIG doesn't appear to be 
non-volatile as when the radio is power cycled, it always reverts to 
OFF - OFF.  I'd like it to stay set to DTR -- RTS but it doesn't


Even if I leave 13.8 to the radio, turning it OFF and back ON and 
that setting reverts.


Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] PTT-KEY setting for use with Writelog and DX4WIN

[Jim Brown]

First, Set the K3 just like you would for QSK (or semi-break-in, 
if that's what you want), and get it working with your paddle or 
bug. Now, without changing anything, set the K3 CONFIG:PTT-KEY to 
OFF-DTR. Now, go into WriteLog and tell it to send CW on the same 
COM port that you're using for rig control. The computer should 
now be sending CW for you. 

73,

Jim K9YC

--Original Message Text---
From: Roger Marrotte
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:14:14 -0400

I've been trying different DTR and RTS settings (CONFIG|PTT-KEY) to get PTT and 
CW to work with a 
serial port connecting my computer to my K3.  In particular I've been trying to 
get Writelog and DX4WIN 
to work. I'm using a real serial port and a serial cable with all pins 
connected.  The cable/port works fine 
for communications with the radio.  Using various settings of PTT-KEY and 
various setting for Writelog 
and DX4WIN, the rig goes into transmit sometimes but does not sent CW.  I've 
searched old emails and 
so far nothing is working.  So, if anyone has this working for Writelog and/or 
DX4WIN, I'd appreciate if 
you could give me know good settings or some advice in general.  It seems 
simple to do but I can't get it 
to work.  I had all this working with a microham micro keyer but I want to try 
this "simpler" approach. 

Thanks, 

Roger, W1EM 




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Re: [Elecraft] PTT-KEY setting for use with Writelog and DX4WIN

[Gill W4RYW]

Roger Marrotte-2 wrote:
> 
> I've been trying different DTR and RTS settings (CONFIG|PTT-KEY) to get
> PTT
> and CW to work with a serial port connecting my computer to my K3.  In
> particular I've been trying to get Writelog and DX4WIN to work. I'm using
> a
> real serial port and a serial cable with all pins connected.   
> 

I have my K3 setup with WL (& DX4WIn also) as follows: 

Port settings screen - COM 4, CW 'checked', DVK 'blank', Rig type K2, poll =
yes, com ptt = yes 
DVK type = windows sound card, all mode ptt on com port RTS = not checked,
CW keyer type = PC generates 

CW PTT subscreen: PTT control= command rig on com port, CW delay = 100MS 
  
Rig Vox must be on - set QSK like you want it, 

No connection to rig from computer except Elecraft serial cable/USB adapter
and the sound card in-out cables. 

Your COM Port will be 1 or 2 if you have a real serial. I am using the USB
to serial from Elecraft.

73's 

Gill 

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[Elecraft] PTT-KEY setting for use with Writelog and DX4WIN

[Roger Marrotte]

I've been trying different DTR and RTS settings (CONFIG|PTT-KEY) to get PTT
and CW to work with a serial port connecting my computer to my K3.  In
particular I've been trying to get Writelog and DX4WIN to work. I'm using a
real serial port and a serial cable with all pins connected.  The cable/port
works fine for communications with the radio.  Using various settings of
PTT-KEY and various setting for Writelog and DX4WIN, the rig goes into
transmit sometimes but does not sent CW.  I've searched old emails and so
far nothing is working.  So, if anyone has this working for Writelog and/or
DX4WIN, I'd appreciate if you could give me know good settings or some
advice in general.  It seems simple to do but I can't get it to work.  I had
all this working with a microham micro keyer but I want to try this
"simpler" approach.
 
Thanks,
 
Roger, W1EM
 
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