RE: [Elecraft] size of radio limits? - K3
W4ZV: How are these indicated on the display? I don't see an indication on the high resolution picture. Of course I used an Orion for several years without band- stacking indication but I hope the K3 has one. No indication planned on the display. You select the per-band memory you want by tapping M-V followed by the appropriate M1-M4 button. (Programmed by V-M.) Numbered memories 00-99 are global. How would you use an indicator? 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] size of radio limits? - K3
W0YK: No indication planned on the display. You select the per-band memory you want by tapping M-V followed by the appropriate M1-M4 button. (Programmed by V-M.) Numbered memories 00-99 are global. I've got it now. You directly access the desired stack memory by choosing M1-M4. So I would adopt a simple convention M1 = CW, M2 = SSB, etc. The stack in Orion was accessed by pressing the band button with the 4-stack memory rotating in one direction only. The only way to tell which stack you were on was to scroll through all 4. Eventually (...after 3 years) they added an ABCD indicator to the display. How would you use an indicator? Given the way the K3 stack works I agree one is unnecessary. I also like being able to directly access a stack memory with just 2 button presses, rather than potentially using 4 presses via scrolling, as in Orion and Omni VII. I've always been pleasantly surprised by the ergonomics of the K2. Translation: It does what I expect and doesn't do unexpected and unwanted things. With the thought that has obviously gone into the K3, I expect I'll continue to be pleasantly surprised and even delighted. I also appreciate Elecraft using some very competent contesters (e.g. N6TR, N6XI, W0YK, etc) as beta testers and taking their inputs seriously. 73, Bill W4ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] size of radio limits? - K3
No wonder I was being confused by all this - HEY, if you can access any of the 4 memories randomly, then it is no longer a 'stack'! From what little programming I learned, a 'stack' is accessed only from the top - you stuff things into it, and then remove the topmost one, throw it away if that is not what you wanted and do it over again until you have the correct one. (OK, my mind goes back to the 8080 PUSH and POP instructions). If it were me, I would have named them something like 'In-band memory' rather than 'Band Stacking Memory', but I guess there is some precedent for that name. In any case, I am glad that the K3 offers random access for these memories. 73, Don W3FPR Bill Tippett wrote: W0YK: No indication planned on the display. You select the per-band memory you want by tapping M-V followed by the appropriate M1-M4 button. (Programmed by V-M.) Numbered memories 00-99 are global. I've got it now. You directly access the desired stack memory by choosing M1-M4. So I would adopt a simple convention M1 = CW, M2 = SSB, etc. The stack in Orion was accessed by pressing the band button with the 4-stack memory rotating in one direction only. The only way to tell which stack you were on was to scroll through all 4. Eventually (...after 3 years) they added an ABCD indicator to the display. How would you use an indicator? Given the way the K3 stack works I agree one is unnecessary. I also like being able to directly access a stack memory with just 2 button presses, rather than potentially using 4 presses via scrolling, as in Orion and Omni VII. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] size of radio limits? - K3
Don Wilhelm wrote: No wonder I was being confused by all this - HEY, if you can access any of the 4 memories randomly, then it is no longer a 'stack'! From what little programming I learned, a 'stack' is accessed only from the top - you stuff things into it, and then remove the topmost one, throw it away if that is not what you wanted and do it over again until you have the correct one. (OK, my mind goes back to the 8080 PUSH and POP instructions). If it were me, I would have named them something like 'In-band memory' rather than 'Band Stacking Memory', but I guess there is some precedent for that name. In any case, I am glad that the K3 offers random access for these memories. Right on, Don. It is not a stack. The implementation of band-stacking resisters in most of the available rigs today is that of a circular queue, a first-in first-out (FIFO) mechanism that is only accessible in one direction from the starting point. I much prefer the Elecraft K3 random-access array of memories. Gus Hansen KB0YH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] size of radio limits? - K3
unnecessary. I also like being able to directly access a stack memory with just 2 button presses, rather than potentially using 4 presses via scrolling, as in Orion and Omni VII. Exactly. Leave it to Elecraft to thoughtfully consider the use case for band-stacking registers and implement a better solution. We should probably stop perpetuating the name band-stacking registers since the K3 has random access band memories. That's just the name everyone knows the function by since prior radios implemented it that way. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] size of radio limits? - K3
unnecessary. I also like being able to directly access a stack memory with just 2 button presses, rather than potentially using 4 presses via scrolling, as in Orion and Omni VII. Exactly. Leave it to Elecraft to thoughtfully consider the use case for band-stacking registers and implement a better solution. We should I think that even two keypresses could be improved to only one. Suggested if you press (anyKey) + M1 it deactivates the keyer/voice keyer function and the button operates only in the band select mode until the next power down or (anyKey) + M1. Also, I was assuming that if I press M1 and it takes me to say 21.030 CW and I dial to 21.060 and then press the M2, that I'm taken to whatever is stored in M2 --after-- 21.060 is saved at M1. Yaesu calls this tunable memories in the FT890 and it's great because I'll always forget to do a V-M after QSY to 21.060 and before pressing M2. If you leave the computer off while operating, non-tunable memories are cumbersome. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] size of radio limits? - K3
At 12:15 PM 27/07/07, you wrote: We should probably stop perpetuating the name band-stacking registers since the K3 has random access band memories. That's just the name everyone knows the function by since prior radios implemented it that way. 73, Ed - W0YK How about direct access band memories? Random makes it sound like when you press M1-4, you don't know what you're going to get. John k7up ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] size of radio limits? - K3
John, The 'random' goes with the 'access' and not with 'memory'. The terms 'random access' and 'serial access' have been used since the days computers started to move away from tape I/O devices (serial access) to other devices where you could point to any data address and access it (random access). So to my computer oriented mind, random access is preferable - the fact that the word 'stack' has been glued into the fact that such memories exist is the problem when it should refer to the access method. 73, Don W3FPR John wrote: At 12:15 PM 27/07/07, you wrote: We should probably stop perpetuating the name band-stacking registers since the K3 has random access band memories. That's just the name everyone knows the function by since prior radios implemented it that way. 73, Ed - W0YK How about direct access band memories? Random makes it sound like when you press M1-4, you don't know what you're going to get. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] size of radio limits? - K3
My point exactly! John k7up At 01:12 PM 27/07/07, you wrote: We have too much time on our hands. Bob Serwy - N9RS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 2:03 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] size of radio limits? - K3 At 12:15 PM 27/07/07, you wrote: We should probably stop perpetuating the name band-stacking registers since the K3 has random access band memories. That's just the name everyone knows the function by since prior radios implemented it that way. 73, Ed - W0YK How about direct access band memories? Random makes it sound like when you press M1-4, you don't know what you're going to get. John k7up ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] size of radio limits? - K3
Hi Don Gary As a person who has been sending RAM uploads to satellites since 1964, 21 years with the Air Force and 20 years working for NASA, I have somewhat of an idea of what RAM is. Had to build loads and send them real time on the fly many times in emergency situations, to ensure things like attitude control algorithms were functioning properly . I was just adding my 2 cents worth to the thread. It just seems like we get on a subject here and beat it to death. BTW, retired here and enjoying radio. Been licensed since 1958 and these Elecraft radios are about the neatest radios I've ever owned and have had the pleasure to operate. John k7up At 01:41 PM 27/07/07, you wrote: John, The 'random' goes with the 'access' and not with 'memory'. The terms 'random access' and 'serial access' have been used since the days computers started to move away from tape I/O devices (serial access) to other devices where you could point to any data address and access it (random access). So to my computer oriented mind, random access is preferable - the fact that the word 'stack' has been glued into the fact that such memories exist is the problem when it should refer to the access method. 73, Don W3FPR John wrote: At 12:15 PM 27/07/07, you wrote: We should probably stop perpetuating the name band-stacking registers since the K3 has random access band memories. That's just the name everyone knows the function by since prior radios implemented it that way. 73, Ed - W0YK How about direct access band memories? Random makes it sound like when you press M1-4, you don't know what you're going to get. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
