RE: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
Hakko also makes an excellent soldering station too! I have that device also and after using the RS for both the K-2 and KX1, then buying the Hakko, I would love to have done them both with these tools. I have done some updates with using both and what a breeze. Once I get the QTH moved I will do some more updates and maybe even build the K-1! Bill K9YEQ KX1 (FT - #35), K2 (FT - #35) -Original Message- Bear in mind that the Hakko 808 is a DEsoldering station, not a soldering station. It is WAY better than the manual solder-suckers out there; you just have to be willing to cough up the bucks. 73, Bob WA4FOM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
If you are trying the solder blob method and finding that it takes an inordinate amount of time to work, try two things: First, be sure you are heating some copper and not just enamel. At the very least, make sure the cut end of the wire is in the blob so the end of the copper is being heated. Better, scrape the wire slightly first to expose some copper along the length you want to clean. One swipe on the sharp edge of a blade screwdriver or a DULL knife is good to pop some enamel loose along one thin line down the side of the wire. Secondly, be sure you are using enough heat. I have a 275 watt (yes 275 watt!) soldering gun that I often use to burn off the enamel. At full heat, it'll burn right through the enamel in short order G. When using my soldering station, I crank up the heat to 800 F for removing enamel. (That's one of the features I like about the Hakko soldering stations - a knob to adjust the temperature with!) Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
I want to second the importance of using enough heat. Initially, I tried to remove the enamel at my soldering temp of 750 and it did work, but took forever and was fairly frustrating. After deciding to move my temp up to 800 for this process, it was literally 5x faster and easier. David N2RDT -- It takes brains. It's not like forward, where you can get away with scoring and not play defense... On defense you have to be thinking. ---Chris Chelios David M. Katinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:07:43 -0700 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted When using my soldering station, I crank up the heat to 800 F for removing enamel. (That's one of the features I like about the Hakko soldering stations - a knob to adjust the temperature with!) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
Best thing to come around since sliced bread and canned beer! Milt, N5IA - Original Message - From: Robert McGwier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Elecraft Mail' Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: 'Qrp-L' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted You know it is since I gave up two cups of coffee a day to get one ;-). Bob N4HY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich McCabe Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:06 AM To: 'Elecraft Mail' Cc: 'Qrp-L' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted What is the chatter all about Hakko? I bought a Weller WSL station and am pretty happy with it. Is the Hakko that good? Rich Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
Bear in mind that the Hakko 808 is a DEsoldering station, not a soldering station. It is WAY better than the manual solder-suckers out there; you just have to be willing to cough up the bucks. 73, Bob WA4FOM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
At 10:24 PM 8/26/04, Brian Mury wrote: Tom Hammond wrote: It's also great for tinning toroidal inductor leads... a nice side benefit. Hi Tom, care to describe how you use it in that fashion? I found stripping and tinning the toroid leads to be the only part of building my K2 that I didn't enjoy (I used the solder blob method). I've got the KSSB and KPA100 sitting here waiting to be built, and I'm tempted by the sale on the Hakko 808 - help me justify it! :-) Why certainly. It's disgustingly easy... I don't recall who first posted it here (maybe Don Brown), but here goes: 1) Wind the toroidal inductor and space the turns out as required. Cut the leads to about 3/4 long (max.). 2) Take each of the toroidal inductor leads and bend them STRAIGHT OUT from the body of the core.. like wings. This will allow you to tin the lead almost right up to the body of the core, which ensures that when you install the inductor, you don't pull any of the enameled lead down into the plated-thru hole, possibly creating a poorly soldered connection. 3) With the Hakko 808 desoldering tool hot and ready to play, melt some solder into the nozzle and then slowly (1-2 seconds) insert the inductor lead all the way up to the turns on the inductor. In about 1-2 seconds (max.) the enamel will begin to bubble up and smoke. 4) HOLD the trigger (sucking the solder out of the nozzle) and slowly remove the inductor lead. This should leave you with a perfectly tinned inductor lead. If there's any burnt enamel remaining on the wire, and this is NOT unusual, it can usually be broken off the wire with a thumbnail as the wire is pulled between the thumb and forefinger. When the leads are again folded back against the body of the core, the tinned portion of each wire should extend to (or just slightly past) the outer edge of the core itself. Like said, nuthin' to it! IF you have a Hakko 808 G 73, Tom N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
Thanks Tom. This sounds fairly similar to the solder blob method, which I did not find as easy as claimed - but I suppose I won't know unless I buy one and try it out!!! :-) I think I'll probably bite the bullet and order one. On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 08:39, Tom Hammond wrote: At 10:24 PM 8/26/04, Brian Mury wrote: Tom Hammond wrote: It's also great for tinning toroidal inductor leads... a nice side benefit. Hi Tom, care to describe how you use it in that fashion? I found stripping and tinning the toroid leads to be the only part of building my K2 that I didn't enjoy (I used the solder blob method). I've got the KSSB and KPA100 sitting here waiting to be built, and I'm tempted by the sale on the Hakko 808 - help me justify it! :-) Why certainly. It's disgustingly easy... I don't recall who first posted it here (maybe Don Brown), but here goes: 1) Wind the toroidal inductor and space the turns out as required. Cut the leads to about 3/4 long (max.). 2) Take each of the toroidal inductor leads and bend them STRAIGHT OUT from the body of the core.. like wings. This will allow you to tin the lead almost right up to the body of the core, which ensures that when you install the inductor, you don't pull any of the enameled lead down into the plated-thru hole, possibly creating a poorly soldered connection. 3) With the Hakko 808 desoldering tool hot and ready to play, melt some solder into the nozzle and then slowly (1-2 seconds) insert the inductor lead all the way up to the turns on the inductor. In about 1-2 seconds (max.) the enamel will begin to bubble up and smoke. 4) HOLD the trigger (sucking the solder out of the nozzle) and slowly remove the inductor lead. This should leave you with a perfectly tinned inductor lead. If there's any burnt enamel remaining on the wire, and this is NOT unusual, it can usually be broken off the wire with a thumbnail as the wire is pulled between the thumb and forefinger. When the leads are again folded back against the body of the core, the tinned portion of each wire should extend to (or just slightly past) the outer edge of the core itself. Like said, nuthin' to it! IF you have a Hakko 808 G 73, Tom N0SS -- 73, Brian VE7NGR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
Hi Bryan: It bears NO similarity, other than the fact that the solder's heating the enamel and causing it to melt. This method takes about 3-4 seconds to accomplish while the solder-blob method usually takes 8-10 seconds and is not nrealy as easy to accomplish, though I still feel the solder blob method is the next best way to tin leads. too bad you can't find someone locally to try it out... the difference is astounding. Tom At 07:29 PM 8/27/04, Brian Mury wrote: Thanks Tom. This sounds fairly similar to the solder blob method, which I did not find as easy as claimed - but I suppose I won't know unless I buy one and try it out!!! :-) I think I'll probably bite the bullet and order one. On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 08:39, Tom Hammond wrote: At 10:24 PM 8/26/04, Brian Mury wrote: Tom Hammond wrote: It's also great for tinning toroidal inductor leads... a nice side benefit. Hi Tom, care to describe how you use it in that fashion? I found stripping and tinning the toroid leads to be the only part of building my K2 that I didn't enjoy (I used the solder blob method). I've got the KSSB and KPA100 sitting here waiting to be built, and I'm tempted by the sale on the Hakko 808 - help me justify it! :-) Why certainly. It's disgustingly easy... I don't recall who first posted it here (maybe Don Brown), but here goes: 1) Wind the toroidal inductor and space the turns out as required. Cut the leads to about 3/4 long (max.). 2) Take each of the toroidal inductor leads and bend them STRAIGHT OUT from the body of the core.. like wings. This will allow you to tin the lead almost right up to the body of the core, which ensures that when you install the inductor, you don't pull any of the enameled lead down into the plated-thru hole, possibly creating a poorly soldered connection. 3) With the Hakko 808 desoldering tool hot and ready to play, melt some solder into the nozzle and then slowly (1-2 seconds) insert the inductor lead all the way up to the turns on the inductor. In about 1-2 seconds (max.) the enamel will begin to bubble up and smoke. 4) HOLD the trigger (sucking the solder out of the nozzle) and slowly remove the inductor lead. This should leave you with a perfectly tinned inductor lead. If there's any burnt enamel remaining on the wire, and this is NOT unusual, it can usually be broken off the wire with a thumbnail as the wire is pulled between the thumb and forefinger. When the leads are again folded back against the body of the core, the tinned portion of each wire should extend to (or just slightly past) the outer edge of the core itself. Like said, nuthin' to it! IF you have a Hakko 808 G 73, Tom N0SS -- 73, Brian VE7NGR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
Hi Sorry, my 808 is worth twice the price I paid for it. It's that good. G Don Brown - Original Message - From: Robert McGwiermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft Mailmailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: Qrp-Lmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:29 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted Surely there is one person out there who has decided they can live without that Hakko 808 and want to give it up to yours truly? I am not trying to save much, but if I give up any more coffee to save pennies, I will never be awake again. Bob N4HY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.netmailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/subscribershtm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.comhttp://www.elecraft.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
Never! Once you've used one, you'd never sell unless slipping into the inability to use anymore. I now have both the desoldering gun and the soldering station... thanks to Tom Hammond's recommendations. After nearly 45 years of soldering, etc., and a lot of building, these are more important than most other simple possessions. Bill K9YEQ K-2 (#35), KX1 (#35) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert McGwier Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:30 PM To: Elecraft Mail Cc: Qrp-L Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted Surely there is one person out there who has decided they can live without that Hakko 808 and want to give it up to yours truly? I am not trying to save much, but if I give up any more coffee to save pennies, I will never be awake again. Bob N4HY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
What is the chatter all about Hakko? I bought a Weller WSL station and am pretty happy with it. Is the Hakko that good? Rich - Original Message - From: Bill Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Robert McGwier' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Elecraft Mail' Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: 'Qrp-L' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:58 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted Never! Once you've used one, you'd never sell unless slipping into the inability to use anymore. I now have both the desoldering gun and the soldering station... thanks to Tom Hammond's recommendations. After nearly 45 years of soldering, etc., and a lot of building, these are more important than most other simple possessions. Bill K9YEQ K-2 (#35), KX1 (#35) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert McGwier Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:30 PM To: Elecraft Mail Cc: Qrp-L Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted Surely there is one person out there who has decided they can live without that Hakko 808 and want to give it up to yours truly? I am not trying to save much, but if I give up any more coffee to save pennies, I will never be awake again. Bob N4HY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
I don't' know about the Weller you mention, but the Hakko equipment is outstanding. Bill K9YEQ K-2 (#35), KX1 (#35) : Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted What is the chatter all about Hakko? I bought a Weller WSL station and am pretty happy with it. Is the Hakko that good? Rich ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
Hi RIch: At 08:05 PM 8/26/04, you wrote: What is the chatter all about Hakko? I bought a Weller WSL station and am pretty happy with it. Is the Hakko that good? The WSL looks really nice, and I'll bet it's every bit as good as the Hakko 936-series. The Hakko probably sells for a bit less...usually around $85 for their ESD-protected station, but the Hakko doesn't have digital temp readout either... the good thing is that 90% of us don't need that degree of accuracy either... thank goodness. What most folks REALLY are liking is the Hakko 808 DEsoldering gun, which is really the berries... you can desolder an 18-pin IC and often have it literally FALL out onto the desktop once the last pin's been cleared of solder. It's also great for tinning toroidal inductor leads... a nice side benefit. 73, Tom HammondN0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
I GIVE UP! I ordered a new one today from one of the many recommendations that were in the $150 range. I chose the one that together with shipping was $1 less than the one above it after someone told me they had one from there. THANKS to all the responders. I agree. I have coveted one since I used one to great avail at Gerald Youngblood's house on a 2 meter transverter we were trying not to destroy! Bob N4HY -Original Message- From: Bill Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:59 AM To: 'Robert McGwier'; 'Elecraft Mail' Cc: 'Qrp-L' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted Never! Once you've used one, you'd never sell unless slipping into the inability to use anymore. I now have both the desoldering gun and the soldering station... thanks to Tom Hammond's recommendations. After nearly 45 years of soldering, etc., and a lot of building, these are more important than most other simple possessions. Bill K9YEQ K-2 (#35), KX1 (#35) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert McGwier Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:30 PM To: Elecraft Mail Cc: Qrp-L Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted Surely there is one person out there who has decided they can live without that Hakko 808 and want to give it up to yours truly? I am not trying to save much, but if I give up any more coffee to save pennies, I will never be awake again. Bob N4HY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted
You know it is since I gave up two cups of coffee a day to get one ;-). Bob N4HY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich McCabe Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:06 AM To: 'Elecraft Mail' Cc: 'Qrp-L' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Hakko 808 wanted What is the chatter all about Hakko? I bought a Weller WSL station and am pretty happy with it. Is the Hakko that good? Rich Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
