Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

[Jim Brown]

:

The K3/0 should allow you to control a K3 over a RS232 connection,
which could be a fairly long cable (up to 50 feet, perhaps?),


Another very useful fact -- RS232 uses an unbalanced connection, and the 
connection is NOT impedance-matched.  That is, the source has a low 
source impedance and the receiver has a high input impedance, so the 
interconnecting cable appears as a capacitive load to the driving 
source. A decade or so ago, we often used RS232 for the connection 
between a computer in the audience in a large performance space to 
signal processing equipment buried in the bowels of the building. We 
were able to reliably use runs on the order of 200 ft at decent speeds 
by using CAT5 cable for the connection, using a pair for each signalling 
circuit, by dedicating all un-used conductors to the return, and 
connecting the returns to the SHELL of the DB9 connectors at both ends. 
It works because CAT5 cable has good bandwidth AND low capacitance 
between the conductors of a pair, the twisted pair rejects noise, 
connecting to the shells at both ends gets around Pin One Problems that 
may be present, and doubling up on the return conductors minimizes the 
IR drop from AC power leakage currents that may be present because the 
equipment is powered (and perhaps grounded) at widely separated points.


Another method to consider for longer runs is RS422, the BALANCED 
configuration of the serial interface.  A very good company in Illinois 
called B&B makes very nice, fairly inexpensive RS232 to RS422 
converters. 
http://www.bb-elec.com/Learning-Center/All-White-Papers/White-Papers-Category1/232_422-Converter-Connections-for-Extending-RS-232.aspx


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Yes.

Eric
elecraft.com

On 4/29/2013 9:56 AM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Bill  wrote:

Will the "mini" be able to perform the same job the control head on a
Kenwood 480 does? Put the radio on a back shelf and only have a 2" deep
control panel to drag around the desk? Maybe a blank panel cover for the K3
and a remote kit that will provide for this?

There are days when I am not feeling too sparky and I use my 480 because I
can drag the control panel over to my recliner and put it on a TV tray. Life
would be great if I could do the same with the K3.

I'm not familiar with the details of the K3/0 mini, so the following
is *speculation*

The K3/0 should allow you to control a K3 over a RS232 connection,
which could be a fairly long cable (up to 50 feet, perhaps?), but it
will not get audio (RX or TX), keying (PTT or CW) or DC power over the
RS232 cable, so you would have to handle those separately (more long
cables, and probably a wall-wart by the recliner).

I doubt that there will ever be a blank front-panel option for the K3.
The K3/0 (mini) does not replace the functionality of the "real" front
panel. I suppose there could be a version with no
display/buttons/knobs, but it seems unlikely that that would be worth
the development effort...

73,

 ~iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

[iain macdonnell - N6ML]

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Bill  wrote:
> Will the "mini" be able to perform the same job the control head on a
> Kenwood 480 does? Put the radio on a back shelf and only have a 2" deep
> control panel to drag around the desk? Maybe a blank panel cover for the K3
> and a remote kit that will provide for this?
>
> There are days when I am not feeling too sparky and I use my 480 because I
> can drag the control panel over to my recliner and put it on a TV tray. Life
> would be great if I could do the same with the K3.

I'm not familiar with the details of the K3/0 mini, so the following
is *speculation*

The K3/0 should allow you to control a K3 over a RS232 connection,
which could be a fairly long cable (up to 50 feet, perhaps?), but it
will not get audio (RX or TX), keying (PTT or CW) or DC power over the
RS232 cable, so you would have to handle those separately (more long
cables, and probably a wall-wart by the recliner).

I doubt that there will ever be a blank front-panel option for the K3.
The K3/0 (mini) does not replace the functionality of the "real" front
panel. I suppose there could be a version with no
display/buttons/knobs, but it seems unlikely that that would be worth
the development effort...

73,

~iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

[Josh Fiden]

Armchair copy OM!

73,
Josh W6XU


On 4/29/2013 7:51 AM, Bill wrote:

I can drag the control panel over to my recliner and put it on a TV tray.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

[Bill Frantz]

I call that the SVGA option. :-) Of course, my display is a lot 
larger than the P3, but it is better located so I almost never 
look at the P3. Field day will be different of course.


Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 4/29/13 at 8:41 AM, als...@nc.rr.com (Brian Alsop) wrote:


How about a detachable P3 display?  The box takes up way too much space.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

[Brian Alsop]

How about a detachable P3 display?  The box takes up way too much space.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 4/29/2013 14:51, Bill wrote:

Will the "mini" be able to perform the same job the control head on a
Kenwood 480 does? Put the radio on a back shelf and only have a 2" deep
control panel to drag around the desk? Maybe a blank panel cover for the
K3 and a remote kit that will provide for this?

There are days when I am not feeling too sparky and I use my 480 because
I can drag the control panel over to my recliner and put it on a TV
tray. Life would be great if I could do the same with the K3.

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

[iain macdonnell - N6ML]

It should be technically feasible to use the "high-speed" protocol
that was developed for the RemoteRig solution to implement a remote
control head that talks over a serial connection to the K3. It'd
essentially be a K3/0 in a compact package, suitable for moving around
the desk, or mounting on a vehicle dashboard. The RR boxes wouldn't be
necessary for such short distances - just RS232 (although it'd need to
get power from somewhere too).

73,

~iain / N6ML


On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Mark Bayern  wrote:
> How about:  ?  Uses
> an Ethernet connection between the remote and the transmitter.
>
> Mark  AD5SS
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Doug Turnbull  wrote:
>> Bill,
>>  I wonder if the Elecraft K3 has the I/O signals to easily implement a
>> remote head.  This is a feature which has been requested in the past and I
>> think that Elecraft even had a prototype at one time but it died a death -
>> could be wrong on this last point.I too have hoped for this feature as
>> implemented with the Orion II but Elecraft has supplied so much it is
>> churlish for me to look for more.God, an improved AGC for CW, P3 SVGA
>> adapted for data modes - it is hard to keep up with Elecraft.They are
>> such an unusual company in their close links to the customer base and
>> willingness to oblige when they can.   We are a fortunate bunch to have
>> chosen their product.
>>
>>  The hot keys software is supposed to implement some of what I want in a
>> remote control head but the confession is that I have not tried this yet.
>> Interaction with Micro keyer II or Wintest is my worry but I understand this
>> is not supposed to be a problem.
>>
>> 73 Doug EI2CN
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Remote Control Head

[Charles Sanders]

If what you are looking for is a multi-function remote tuning knob consider
using the Shuttle Pro 2 by Contour Design at
http://retail.contourdesign.com/

I've used this device in that role in my mobile contesting setup to control
the K3 which is in the rear of the vehicle and the operator is in the front
passenger seat. The Shuttle Prov 2 has a nice set of 15 buttons and a
tuning knob. The buttons on the Shuttle Pro can be mapped to any function
keys supported by the software you are using and also supports macros which
combine multiple function keys. There is a brief description on this page
of my website http://www.no5w.com/CQxK3RemoteKit.html describing how I am
using it with CQ/X.

Of course the above approach requires an intermediary in the form of
software running on a PC. If what you are interested in is a standalone
remote that connects (essentially) directly to the K3, an Android
smartphone can serve as the display and controlling device and can be
interfaced wirelessly to the K3 over Bluetooth via a small PIC-based board
(Android IOIO) from SparkFun Electronics https://www.sparkfun.com. Some
details of the interface and of a prototype are available at
http://www.no5w.com/CQxK3-AndroidInterface.html. It should be noted that
this is a work in progress. I believe there are others who have carried
this idea even further so look around and see what you can find.

73/Chuck/NO5W
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

[Doug Turnbull]

Mark,
Yes the remoting capabilities are great but a simple pod such as TenTec
uses is what some of us would like.   A good friend EI9KF is using a K3/0
with similar interface boxes and it is a pretty nifty arrangement.

Thanks.
  73 Doug EI2CN
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From: Mark Bayern [mailto:plcm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 27 July 2012 13:14
To: Doug Turnbull
Cc: Bill; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

How about: <http://www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm> ?  Uses
an Ethernet connection between the remote and the transmitter.

Mark  AD5SS

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Doug Turnbull  wrote:
> Bill,
>  I wonder if the Elecraft K3 has the I/O signals to easily implement a
> remote head.  This is a feature which has been requested in the past and I
> think that Elecraft even had a prototype at one time but it died a death -
> could be wrong on this last point.I too have hoped for this feature as
> implemented with the Orion II but Elecraft has supplied so much it is
> churlish for me to look for more.God, an improved AGC for CW, P3 SVGA
> adapted for data modes - it is hard to keep up with Elecraft.They are
> such an unusual company in their close links to the customer base and
> willingness to oblige when they can.   We are a fortunate bunch to have
> chosen their product.
>
>  The hot keys software is supposed to implement some of what I want in
a
> remote control head but the confession is that I have not tried this yet.
> Interaction with Micro keyer II or Wintest is my worry but I understand
this
> is not supposed to be a problem.
>
> 73 Doug EI2CN


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

[Mark Bayern]

How about:  ?  Uses
an Ethernet connection between the remote and the transmitter.

Mark  AD5SS

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Doug Turnbull  wrote:
> Bill,
>  I wonder if the Elecraft K3 has the I/O signals to easily implement a
> remote head.  This is a feature which has been requested in the past and I
> think that Elecraft even had a prototype at one time but it died a death -
> could be wrong on this last point.I too have hoped for this feature as
> implemented with the Orion II but Elecraft has supplied so much it is
> churlish for me to look for more.God, an improved AGC for CW, P3 SVGA
> adapted for data modes - it is hard to keep up with Elecraft.They are
> such an unusual company in their close links to the customer base and
> willingness to oblige when they can.   We are a fortunate bunch to have
> chosen their product.
>
>  The hot keys software is supposed to implement some of what I want in a
> remote control head but the confession is that I have not tried this yet.
> Interaction with Micro keyer II or Wintest is my worry but I understand this
> is not supposed to be a problem.
>
> 73 Doug EI2CN
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

[Doug Turnbull]

Bill,
 I wonder if the Elecraft K3 has the I/O signals to easily implement a
remote head.  This is a feature which has been requested in the past and I
think that Elecraft even had a prototype at one time but it died a death -
could be wrong on this last point.I too have hoped for this feature as
implemented with the Orion II but Elecraft has supplied so much it is
churlish for me to look for more.God, an improved AGC for CW, P3 SVGA
adapted for data modes - it is hard to keep up with Elecraft.They are
such an unusual company in their close links to the customer base and
willingness to oblige when they can.   We are a fortunate bunch to have
chosen their product.

 The hot keys software is supposed to implement some of what I want in a
remote control head but the confession is that I have not tried this yet.
Interaction with Micro keyer II or Wintest is my worry but I understand this
is not supposed to be a problem.

73 Doug EI2CN  

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: 27 July 2012 01:44
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head

I wonder if the K3's (K3/0) front panel will ever be available as a 
stand alone device similar the Kenwood TS-480?

No big box behind the panel, just a line to the transceiver - which is 
operated remote from where it is mounted on the side of my desk. It is 
very handy to be able to move that control panel all over my desk. This 
is similar to the Yaesu 857D and the Icom 706 and 7000 series.

It is not rocket science - just another purchase for the K3.

Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation

[Thomas Horsten]

Bob,

That seems to confirm what I thought. Does anyone have any information on
this protocol? It would be great to get some specs even if they are
preliminary and/or incomplete - sure beats reverse engineering the thing,
especially since I only have one K3 :)

73, Thomas M0TRN

On 30 January 2012 15:52, Bob Cunnings  wrote:

> >From the changes notes for K3 firmware MCU 4.47 / DSP 2.73, 12-2-2011:
>
> REMOTE-RIG SUPPORT:
>
> "One K3 can now directly control another, with one acting as nothing
> but a front panel. This "remote rig" mode provides a nearly perfect
> emulation of the remote K3's display and controls. (Previously, front
> panel emulation was limited by the K3's legacy command set.) The
> simplest way to use this is to connect the two K3s together using a
> "null modem" cable at the RS232 ports. However, by using a computer or
> a third-party hardware as an intermediary, it's possible to control a
> K3 over the internet or even a wiFi connection."
>
> "Previously, front panel emulation was limited by the K3's legacy
> command set." hints at something new to make remote control more
> efficient. Wayne described it in this message posted on 21 Sep 2011:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/msg123387.html
>
> "Virtually the entire K3 user interface is supported by the new remote-
> control protocol. It really feels like you're using the remote K3
> itself, including a 100% accurate emulation of the remote K3's LCD
> (flashing icons, etc.)."
>
> Bob NW8L
>
> >So the new "REMOTE" mode of the K3 uses the normal K3 commands from the
> >Programmer's Reference to talk to the remote K3? I was sure I'd seen
> >somewhere that a better protocol had been devised for this.
> >
> >Can anyone with such a setup verify if that's the case, possibly by
> >snooping on the link?
> >
> >This is not directly related to RemoteRig, as far as I understand it will
> >work by hooking up any 2 K3's with, for example, a null-modem cable or two
> >serial ports on a PC "virtually" connected together.
> >
> >73, Thomas
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation

[Bob Cunnings]

>From the changes notes for K3 firmware MCU 4.47 / DSP 2.73, 12-2-2011:

REMOTE-RIG SUPPORT:

"One K3 can now directly control another, with one acting as nothing
but a front panel. This "remote rig" mode provides a nearly perfect
emulation of the remote K3's display and controls. (Previously, front
panel emulation was limited by the K3's legacy command set.) The
simplest way to use this is to connect the two K3s together using a
"null modem" cable at the RS232 ports. However, by using a computer or
a third-party hardware as an intermediary, it's possible to control a
K3 over the internet or even a wiFi connection."

"Previously, front panel emulation was limited by the K3's legacy
command set." hints at something new to make remote control more
efficient. Wayne described it in this message posted on 21 Sep 2011:

http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/msg123387.html

"Virtually the entire K3 user interface is supported by the new remote-
control protocol. It really feels like you're using the remote K3
itself, including a 100% accurate emulation of the remote K3's LCD
(flashing icons, etc.)."

Bob NW8L

>So the new "REMOTE" mode of the K3 uses the normal K3 commands from the
>Programmer's Reference to talk to the remote K3? I was sure I'd seen
>somewhere that a better protocol had been devised for this.
>
>Can anyone with such a setup verify if that's the case, possibly by
>snooping on the link?
>
>This is not directly related to RemoteRig, as far as I understand it will
>work by hooking up any 2 K3's with, for example, a null-modem cable or two
>serial ports on a PC "virtually" connected together.
>
>73, Thomas
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation

[Thomas Horsten]

So the new "REMOTE" mode of the K3 uses the normal K3 commands from the
Programmer's Reference to talk to the remote K3? I was sure I'd seen
somewhere that a better protocol had been devised for this.

Can anyone with such a setup verify if that's the case, possibly by
snooping on the link?

This is not directly related to RemoteRig, as far as I understand it will
work by hooking up any 2 K3's with, for example, a null-modem cable or two
serial ports on a PC "virtually" connected together.

73, Thomas

On 30 January 2012 13:48, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> There is no new protocol that I am aware of, just the RemoteRig support
> implementation.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 1/30/2012 8:37 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote:
>
>> Don,
>>
>> I was under the impression that a new protocol had been implemented in the
>> firmware, providing better performance and features for remote control
>> applications compared to the existing command set from the K3 Programmer's
>> Reference.
>>
>> The approach of continuously polling all values and attempting to emulate
>> panel key presses by translating them into the corresponding commands is
>> not very efficient for this purpose, and it's not possible to achieve 100%
>> synchronization and correct mapping of keys to functions.
>>
>> 73, Thomas M0TRN
>>
>> On 30 January 2012 13:34, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
>>
>>  Thomas,
>>>
>>> If you are referring to the recent support for RemoteRig, the
>>> description of that function can be found at the Elecraft website -
>>> search on "RemoteRig".  Either the RemoteRig, or a communications link
>>> to connect 2 K3s (the local K3 controls the remote K3) is what is
>>> needed.  What is required is a communications link, and not any
>>> particular protocol.
>>>
>>> If you are instead creating a control program to run on your computer
>>> and remotely control a single K3, then the K3 Programming reference is
>>> the documentation that you need.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 1/30/2012 7:00 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote:
>>>
 Hi Elecraft list,

 I have read about the new K3 remote protocol (that's supported natively

>>> in
>>>
 the latest firmwares of the K3), and I want to implement my own remote
 control solution. However I haven't been able to find any documentation

>>> on
>>>
 the remote protocol anywhere (implemented in Linux with software on a
 Beagleboard acting as the backend to a GTK+ frontend emulating the user
 interface on another machine in the network).

 Does anyone know if this documentation exists, and if not, when it will

>>> be
>>>
 released? Apologies if there is an early beta/draft version of the

>>> protocol
>>>
 documentation somewhere and I've missed it. If it's not out there, can
 someone in the know provide me with a copy?

 73, Thomas M0TRN

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation

[Don Wilhelm]

There is no new protocol that I am aware of, just the RemoteRig support 
implementation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/30/2012 8:37 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote:
> Don,
>
> I was under the impression that a new protocol had been implemented in the
> firmware, providing better performance and features for remote control
> applications compared to the existing command set from the K3 Programmer's
> Reference.
>
> The approach of continuously polling all values and attempting to emulate
> panel key presses by translating them into the corresponding commands is
> not very efficient for this purpose, and it's not possible to achieve 100%
> synchronization and correct mapping of keys to functions.
>
> 73, Thomas M0TRN
>
> On 30 January 2012 13:34, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
>
>> Thomas,
>>
>> If you are referring to the recent support for RemoteRig, the
>> description of that function can be found at the Elecraft website -
>> search on "RemoteRig".  Either the RemoteRig, or a communications link
>> to connect 2 K3s (the local K3 controls the remote K3) is what is
>> needed.  What is required is a communications link, and not any
>> particular protocol.
>>
>> If you are instead creating a control program to run on your computer
>> and remotely control a single K3, then the K3 Programming reference is
>> the documentation that you need.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 1/30/2012 7:00 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote:
>>> Hi Elecraft list,
>>>
>>> I have read about the new K3 remote protocol (that's supported natively
>> in
>>> the latest firmwares of the K3), and I want to implement my own remote
>>> control solution. However I haven't been able to find any documentation
>> on
>>> the remote protocol anywhere (implemented in Linux with software on a
>>> Beagleboard acting as the backend to a GTK+ frontend emulating the user
>>> interface on another machine in the network).
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if this documentation exists, and if not, when it will
>> be
>>> released? Apologies if there is an early beta/draft version of the
>> protocol
>>> documentation somewhere and I've missed it. If it's not out there, can
>>> someone in the know provide me with a copy?
>>>
>>> 73, Thomas M0TRN
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation

[Thomas Horsten]

Don,

I was under the impression that a new protocol had been implemented in the
firmware, providing better performance and features for remote control
applications compared to the existing command set from the K3 Programmer's
Reference.

The approach of continuously polling all values and attempting to emulate
panel key presses by translating them into the corresponding commands is
not very efficient for this purpose, and it's not possible to achieve 100%
synchronization and correct mapping of keys to functions.

73, Thomas M0TRN

On 30 January 2012 13:34, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> Thomas,
>
> If you are referring to the recent support for RemoteRig, the
> description of that function can be found at the Elecraft website -
> search on "RemoteRig".  Either the RemoteRig, or a communications link
> to connect 2 K3s (the local K3 controls the remote K3) is what is
> needed.  What is required is a communications link, and not any
> particular protocol.
>
> If you are instead creating a control program to run on your computer
> and remotely control a single K3, then the K3 Programming reference is
> the documentation that you need.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/30/2012 7:00 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote:
> > Hi Elecraft list,
> >
> > I have read about the new K3 remote protocol (that's supported natively
> in
> > the latest firmwares of the K3), and I want to implement my own remote
> > control solution. However I haven't been able to find any documentation
> on
> > the remote protocol anywhere (implemented in Linux with software on a
> > Beagleboard acting as the backend to a GTK+ frontend emulating the user
> > interface on another machine in the network).
> >
> > Does anyone know if this documentation exists, and if not, when it will
> be
> > released? Apologies if there is an early beta/draft version of the
> protocol
> > documentation somewhere and I've missed it. If it's not out there, can
> > someone in the know provide me with a copy?
> >
> > 73, Thomas M0TRN
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote control protocol documentation

[Don Wilhelm]

Thomas,

If you are referring to the recent support for RemoteRig, the 
description of that function can be found at the Elecraft website - 
search on "RemoteRig".  Either the RemoteRig, or a communications link 
to connect 2 K3s (the local K3 controls the remote K3) is what is 
needed.  What is required is a communications link, and not any 
particular protocol.

If you are instead creating a control program to run on your computer 
and remotely control a single K3, then the K3 Programming reference is 
the documentation that you need.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/30/2012 7:00 AM, Thomas Horsten wrote:
> Hi Elecraft list,
>
> I have read about the new K3 remote protocol (that's supported natively in
> the latest firmwares of the K3), and I want to implement my own remote
> control solution. However I haven't been able to find any documentation on
> the remote protocol anywhere (implemented in Linux with software on a
> Beagleboard acting as the backend to a GTK+ frontend emulating the user
> interface on another machine in the network).
>
> Does anyone know if this documentation exists, and if not, when it will be
> released? Apologies if there is an early beta/draft version of the protocol
> documentation somewhere and I've missed it. If it's not out there, can
> someone in the know provide me with a copy?
>
> 73, Thomas M0TRN
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[David Windisch]

Thanks for the info, Iain.  We paranoids are very literal: did you mean to type 
"HRD" twice?
Brgds,
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  I use Splashtop and HDR, it also streams your mic input while using HRD, 
  which VNC & RDP don't. 
  Saves having to use skype for the audio side. 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Iain Haywood]

I use Splashtop and HDR, it also streams your mic input while using HRD, 
which VNC & RDP don't.
Saves having to use skype for the audio side.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)]

Kevin Rock-2 wrote:
> 
> Plus it is only a few chips on a board to get the job done.  Firmware is  
> dead simple too.  Simple solution, why hasn't anyone built it yet?
> Kevin.  KD5ONS
> 

Quite like the solution you can get here I would say, notice the solution
showing a K2/K3 at the remote rig side in the block diagram:

http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=465
http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=465 

It also supports control of a PA as well as a antenna rotator. I am
considering one, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Fred Jensen]

On 7/5/2011 4:00 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:
> Plus it is only a few chips on a board to get the job done.  Firmware is
> dead simple too.  Simple solution, why hasn't anyone built it yet?

Oooh and the phrase, "only a few chips on a board."  I'll skip over the 
"dead simple."

Forgive me folks, but I got "promoted" to Division Chief Engineer ...  a 
little more money, a lot more headaches, and it wasn't worth it, I 
retired as soon as I could.

I'm jaded, I admit it, completion estimates never actually happen, ever, 
ever.  It keeps the contract techs and lawyers busy.  We once had a 
board going into a mobile radio control box.  In 4WD trucks ... in 4WD 
territory.  Our creation actually worked, and we were a week ahead of 
schedule!  All our electrical and software tests said it worked.  I was 
pretty happy as, for a final test, I gave it to our Mech E and said, 
"Stick it in your Shake and Bake, and see what comes off," expecting 
nothing, of course.

All the caps came off, at amplitudes and frequencies that coincided with 
what the 4WD trucks would subject them to.  A huge lesson for that 
Project Engineer -- which was me, and I was 45 by then.  All 0.01 mfd 
caps are not created equal.

Almost nothing really important these days that involves technology is 
done by an individual in isolation.  Engineering, all of it, is a team 
effort, and I submit Elecraft as a huge example ... I happen to 
personally know a number of the E-folks, and I respect their individual 
skills, talent, and genius.  But I respect them far more for their teamwork.

Teamwork kept me and most of my guys alive in war, it still works today. 
  It's just a lot harder than it looks from the head end, and it takes a 
lot more people to do their jobs to make it all work.

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2011 05 Jul 17:58 -0500, Rick Prather wrote:
> I would visualize an internal modem board like Ten-Tec does in the VII that 
> can be assigned it's own IP address and connected directly to the Internet 
> without a computer at the remote location.  This would be an option, so not 
> required if someone isn't interested in remote operation - unlike TT.

I like the Ethernet idea, I would rather the rig be placed behind a
firewall and the only access be via Secure Shell with public key
authentication, or SSL in some way.  That might be a bit tricky to
setup at first, but I'm sure there is someone out there doing it or who
could figure it out with a bit of Perl glue magic.

Bundled with Hamlib we have a network daemon, rigctld.  It has not been
vetted for security and I would not expose it directly to the Internet.
I can imagine a capable piece of hardware running OpenWRT (or another
router distribution) and Hamlib using a USB-serial converter to talk to
the K3 (or any other supported rig or rotor) and then using SSL to
handle the connection over the 'Net and then some Javascript on the
browser end for a Web based rig control program.  That sounds like an
interesting hacking project for when I get the time.  Sigh...

> Of course, this can be done now with the Remoterig set up but for a healthy 
> cost.  Whereas, the direct ethernet connection with appropriate software 
> (like TT's One Plug) would be easier, neater and a lot cheaper.

I won't speculate on the security ramifications, which always exist for
any network connected device, but a device like that would need to be
vetted rather thoroughly.  I'm not the guy to do that, however.  :-(

73, de Nate N0NB >>

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Nate Bargmann]

This would be somewhat advanced, but I'm thinking that with a router
capable of running OpenWRT (a Linux distribution for embedded hardware)
that a Perl script run as a cron job could query a site like
http://www.displaymyip.com/ , scrape the page, and email the IP address
every few hours.  In fact, that is what I do except the script runs on
my workstation and instead of email uploads a small file to my webhost.
Fortunately, my ISP's DHCP server has been assigning my router the same
address for a while.

73, de Nate N0NB >>

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Greg]

I think this may interest some of you...provides for its own IP with no
computer and contains the required FCC (if you're a US ham) for failsafe
operation...

http://www.glentekcorp.com/ 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Kevin Rock]

Plus it is only a few chips on a board to get the job done.  Firmware is  
dead simple too.  Simple solution, why hasn't anyone built it yet?
Kevin.  KD5ONS


On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:57:19 -0700, Rick Prather   
wrote:

> Seems to me that with all the recurring interest in remote operation  
> that pops up here and, with the number of people that are thinking about  
> remote as a way to retire to a radio restricted QTH and still get on the  
> radio, that a direct ethernet hook up like the Omni VII has would be a  
> great addition to the K3.
>
> I would visualize an internal modem board like Ten-Tec does in the VII  
> that can be assigned it's own IP address and connected directly to the  
> Internet without a computer at the remote location.  This would be an  
> option, so not required if someone isn't interested in remote operation  
> - unlike TT.
>
> Of course, this can be done now with the Remoterig set up but for a  
> healthy cost.  Whereas, the direct ethernet connection with appropriate  
> software (like TT's One Plug) would be easier, neater and a lot cheaper.
>
> Rick
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Rick Prather]

Seems to me that with all the recurring interest in remote operation that pops 
up here and, with the number of people that are thinking about remote as a way 
to retire to a radio restricted QTH and still get on the radio, that a direct 
ethernet hook up like the Omni VII has would be a great addition to the K3.

I would visualize an internal modem board like Ten-Tec does in the VII that can 
be assigned it's own IP address and connected directly to the Internet without 
a computer at the remote location.  This would be an option, so not required if 
someone isn't interested in remote operation - unlike TT.

Of course, this can be done now with the Remoterig set up but for a healthy 
cost.  Whereas, the direct ethernet connection with appropriate software (like 
TT's One Plug) would be easier, neater and a lot cheaper.

Rick
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Fred Jensen]

I shudder when an engineer or programmer says that.  The "a day" never 
happens, and the "or two" is always a gross underestimate. ;-)

73,

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On 7/5/2011 2:49 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:

> Fairly simple app to write should only take a day or two.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Fred Jensen]

On 7/5/2011 2:29 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> A dedicated controller *could* be designed to serve in place of the
> computer at the remote end, although that would take too much effort
> IMHO for a one-off installation.

www.hamstack.com

I know George and John very well [but have no financial interest in 
their company].  Their HamStack is a very small format, stackable 
system, programmable in C or Basic [and probably some other languages as 
well] with all sorts of input/output capabilities.  They also build a 
very comprehensive, modular multi-radio repeater controller that is 
becoming a standard in the Cactus Intertie [ www.cactus-intertie.org ]

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Kevin Rock]

Instead of a full blown computer at the remote site why not just design an  
app for an Ethernut board?  If you have IP access to the site then the  
Ethernut board can run the K3 from firmware.  Set the watchdog timer so if  
there are any glitches it times out and resets the board.  Send the  
commands to the IP address and the Ethernut board parses them and sends  
them to the K3.  Fairly simple app to write should only take a day or two.
73,
   Kevin.  KD5ONS


On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:29:58 -0700, Don Wilhelm   
wrote:

>   Don,
>
> It is not a good idea to just "remove the power" from the K3 - just like
> a computer, it needs to power down gracefully and store some things for
> the next time it is powered up.
>
> The K3 does feature a Remote Power On input that can be used to turn it
> on.  To turn it off remotely, one can use the PS0; command (see the K3
> Programmer's reference).
>
> A dedicated controller *could* be designed to serve in place of the
> computer at the remote end, although that would take too much effort
> IMHO for a one-off installation.  A computer is probably the easiest
> implementation, although as you aptly pointed out, it may need to be
> reset if it hangs for some reason.  In my experience, if the computer is
> not doing a write function at the time the "plug is pulled", it will
> come up again without incident or damage - so your solution for the
> computer may be workable.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/5/2011 4:52 PM, Don Nelson wrote:
>> On 7/5/2011 2:27 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
>>> Yes, you do need a computer at the operating end.  However it is really
>>> nice not to need one at the radio end.  If the computer crashes you
>>> really don't want to have to drive to the mountaintop to reset it.   
>>> Also
>>> having a computer running 14/7 can waste a lot of power.  The computer
>>> at the operating position can be turned off when you aren't using it.
>>>
>>> Alan N1AL
>>>
>> If you put an IP addressable power strip on the mountain top, you can
>> remotely turn the computer/radio/etc. on and off at will. This can save
>> power. This can give you a remote method for resetting the computer.
>> This can be another way of turning off the radio.
>>
>> Don, N0YE
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Don Wilhelm]

  Don,

It is not a good idea to just "remove the power" from the K3 - just like 
a computer, it needs to power down gracefully and store some things for 
the next time it is powered up.

The K3 does feature a Remote Power On input that can be used to turn it 
on.  To turn it off remotely, one can use the PS0; command (see the K3 
Programmer's reference).

A dedicated controller *could* be designed to serve in place of the 
computer at the remote end, although that would take too much effort 
IMHO for a one-off installation.  A computer is probably the easiest 
implementation, although as you aptly pointed out, it may need to be 
reset if it hangs for some reason.  In my experience, if the computer is 
not doing a write function at the time the "plug is pulled", it will 
come up again without incident or damage - so your solution for the 
computer may be workable.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/5/2011 4:52 PM, Don Nelson wrote:
> On 7/5/2011 2:27 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
>> Yes, you do need a computer at the operating end.  However it is really
>> nice not to need one at the radio end.  If the computer crashes you
>> really don't want to have to drive to the mountaintop to reset it.  Also
>> having a computer running 14/7 can waste a lot of power.  The computer
>> at the operating position can be turned off when you aren't using it.
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
> If you put an IP addressable power strip on the mountain top, you can
> remotely turn the computer/radio/etc. on and off at will. This can save
> power. This can give you a remote method for resetting the computer.
> This can be another way of turning off the radio.
>
> Don, N0YE
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Don Nelson]

On 7/5/2011 2:27 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> Yes, you do need a computer at the operating end.  However it is really
> nice not to need one at the radio end.  If the computer crashes you
> really don't want to have to drive to the mountaintop to reset it.  Also
> having a computer running 14/7 can waste a lot of power.  The computer
> at the operating position can be turned off when you aren't using it.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
If you put an IP addressable power strip on the mountain top, you can 
remotely turn the computer/radio/etc. on and off at will. This can save 
power. This can give you a remote method for resetting the computer. 
This can be another way of turning off the radio.

Don, N0YE

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Edward Dickinson III]

Thanks, Alan.

 

The eHam link referenced in Win's post was for a unit not requiring a
computer at the operating position.  I suppose that is for units that have
remote heads.

 

Perhaps Elecraft will consider a remote head for the K3 and/or other/future
rigs.

 

 

73, 

Dick - KA5KKT

 

  _  

Yes, you do need a computer at the operating end.  However it is really

nice not to need one at the radio end.  If the computer crashes you

really don't want to have to drive to the mountaintop to reset it.  Also

having a computer running 14/7 can waste a lot of power.  The computer

at the operating position can be turned off when you aren't using it.

 

Alan N1AL

 

 

On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 16:18 -0400, Edward Dickinson III wrote:

> Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious.   In the case of the K3, what

> would comprise the user interface at the operating end in absence of a

> computer?

>  

> 73,

>  Dick - KA5KKT

> 

>   _  

> 

> Dave,

> 

> perhaps easier to consider The remoteRig box that allows

> you to remote your rig with a single box

> 

>  < 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956>

>  
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956

> 

> > cheers

> - Wim

> 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Alan Bloom]

Yes, you do need a computer at the operating end.  However it is really
nice not to need one at the radio end.  If the computer crashes you
really don't want to have to drive to the mountaintop to reset it.  Also
having a computer running 14/7 can waste a lot of power.  The computer
at the operating position can be turned off when you aren't using it.

Alan N1AL


On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 16:18 -0400, Edward Dickinson III wrote:
> Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious.   In the case of the K3, what
> would comprise the user interface at the operating end in absence of a
> computer?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Dick - KA5KKT
> 
>   _  
> 
> Dave,
> 
>  
> 
> perhaps easier to consider The remoteRig box that allows
> 
> you to remote your rig with a single box
> 
>  
> 
>  
> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956
> 
>  
> 
> cheers
> 
> - Wim
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Edward Dickinson III]

Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious.   In the case of the K3, what
would comprise the user interface at the operating end in absence of a
computer?

 

 

73,

Dick - KA5KKT

  _  

Dave,

 

perhaps easier to consider The remoteRig box that allows

you to remote your rig with a single box

 

 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956

 

cheers

- Wim

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Alan Bloom]

The best solution is to use a static IP address at the remote station.
My ISP offers a package of 8 addresses for an extra monthly charge.  You
pick one of them and tell the router to use that address.  That way the
computer at the control point can always connect to the same address to
access the remote station.

If you don't have a static IP, then you have to use the method that Mike
describes below, which AFAIK requires a computer at the remote station.
Even if the USB gadget had the feature built-in, it still wouldn't work
through a router (although admittedly you probably don't need one for
this application).

Alan N1AL


On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 12:04 -0700, Tim Tucker wrote:
> Most, if not all current cable/dsl routers support DynDNS natively.  That's
> what I've been using for years to accomplish this.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Mike WA8BXN  wrote:
> 
> > Yes, port forwarding is used. But there is still the problem of what the IP
> > address of the router itself is if you don't have a static IP address.
> > There
> > are a number of services that can be used to give you a symbolic name that
> > the name server can look up, but they need something to tell the service
> > when your dynamic address changes. This is usually a program running on a
> > computer on your network or some network device that can do it. I didn't
> > see
> > any provision for this in the remote USB gadget. So a computer may be
> > needed
> > on the network.
> >
> > 73 - Mike WA8BXN
> >

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Tim Tucker]

Most, if not all current cable/dsl routers support DynDNS natively.  That's
what I've been using for years to accomplish this.



On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Mike WA8BXN  wrote:

> Yes, port forwarding is used. But there is still the problem of what the IP
> address of the router itself is if you don't have a static IP address.
> There
> are a number of services that can be used to give you a symbolic name that
> the name server can look up, but they need something to tell the service
> when your dynamic address changes. This is usually a program running on a
> computer on your network or some network device that can do it. I didn't
> see
> any provision for this in the remote USB gadget. So a computer may be
> needed
> on the network.
>
> 73 - Mike WA8BXN
>
>
>
>
>
> ---Original Message---
>
> From: Alan Bloom
> Date: 7/5/2011 1:29:22 PM
> To: Mike WA8BXN
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; David Windisch
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control
>
> I think what you want is "port forwarding" to get through the router
> Firewall and specify the fixed IP address. In my Belkin router it is
> Under Firewall > Virtual servers.
>
> You specify the private (local) IP address (which will be 192.168.2.*)
> And port number as well as the fixed IP and port that is seen by the
> Outside world.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 10:19 -0400, Mike WA8BXN wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > That remote USB device looks interesting. I'm not sure, however, that it
> > will work over the Internet. I think its intended for use on a local
> network
> > I looked at the manual and saw nothing about how you would find the
> device
>
> > from a remote computer via the Internet. That is to say what IP address
> the
> > device is using. I suppose that might not be a problem if you have a
> static
> > IP address for the device (very uncommon).
> >
> > On a local network I bet it does some kind of broadcast saying here I am,
> > and your computer would be looking for that with the software they
> provide
>
> > But such broadcasts would not be sent over the entire Internet.
> >
> > Maybe someone has had some real experience with that device and can shed
> > some more light on it.
> >
> > 73 - Mike WA8BXN
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Mike WA8BXN]

Yes, port forwarding is used. But there is still the problem of what the IP
address of the router itself is if you don't have a static IP address. There
are a number of services that can be used to give you a symbolic name that
the name server can look up, but they need something to tell the service
when your dynamic address changes. This is usually a program running on a
computer on your network or some network device that can do it. I didn't see
any provision for this in the remote USB gadget. So a computer may be needed
on the network. 
 
73 - Mike WA8BXN 
 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Alan Bloom 
Date: 7/5/2011 1:29:22 PM 
To: Mike WA8BXN 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; David Windisch 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control 
 
I think what you want is "port forwarding" to get through the router 
Firewall and specify the fixed IP address. In my Belkin router it is 
Under Firewall > Virtual servers. 
 
You specify the private (local) IP address (which will be 192.168.2.*) 
And port number as well as the fixed IP and port that is seen by the 
Outside world. 
 
Alan N1AL 
 
 
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 10:19 -0400, Mike WA8BXN wrote: 
> Hi Dave, 
> 
> That remote USB device looks interesting. I'm not sure, however, that it 
> will work over the Internet. I think its intended for use on a local
network 
> I looked at the manual and saw nothing about how you would find the device

> from a remote computer via the Internet. That is to say what IP address
the 
> device is using. I suppose that might not be a problem if you have a
static 
> IP address for the device (very uncommon). 
> 
> On a local network I bet it does some kind of broadcast saying here I am, 
> and your computer would be looking for that with the software they provide
 
> But such broadcasts would not be sent over the entire Internet. 
> 
> Maybe someone has had some real experience with that device and can shed 
> some more light on it. 
> 
> 73 - Mike WA8BXN 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Gary K9GS]

This is a great idea for a new product.

On 7/5/2011 12:25 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Not taking a thing from what is being proposed as to controlling the K3 over
> a LAN or the Internet, I wish Elecraft would produce a "Remote Pod",
> actually a hard wired Pod which would access the CW and DVR memories with a
> press of a given button and maybe though this is less important to me have
> an encoder which would allow tuning the radio.   TenTec has one for the
> Orion II and it was a considerable help with engaging the CW and Voice
> memories.   The pod made the Orion II far more convenient to use for both
> contesting and conventional operation.   For contesting when one does not
> touch the tuning for periods of time it would prove helpful and yes I
> presently use Micro-Keyer II with Win-test and so have some of these
> features but I would still use the DVK and CW memories if it could be done
> with more ease.
>
>  Ah well Elecraft is doing a great job and has so many new products and
> developing products as it stands that it will take time to digest what is
> presently on the plate.   Elecraft is doing a fantastic job.
>
>  73 Doug EI2CN
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Alan Bloom]

I think what you want is "port forwarding" to get through the router
firewall and specify the fixed IP address.  In my Belkin router it is
under Firewall > Virtual servers.

You specify the private (local) IP address (which will be 192.168.2.*)
and port number as well as the fixed IP and port that is seen by the
outside world.

Alan N1AL


On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 10:19 -0400, Mike WA8BXN wrote:
> Hi Dave, 
>  
> That remote USB device looks interesting. I'm not sure, however, that it
> will work over the Internet. I think its intended for use on a local network
>  I looked at the manual and saw nothing about how you would find the device
> from a remote computer via the Internet. That is to say what IP address the
> device is using. I suppose that might not be a problem if you have a static
> IP address for the device (very uncommon). 
> 
> On a local network I bet it does some kind of broadcast saying here I am,
> and your computer would be looking for that with the software they provide.
> But such broadcasts would not be sent over the entire Internet. 
> 
> Maybe someone has had some real experience with that device and can shed
> some more light on it. 
> 
> 73 - Mike WA8BXN


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Doug Turnbull]

Not taking a thing from what is being proposed as to controlling the K3 over
a LAN or the Internet, I wish Elecraft would produce a "Remote Pod",
actually a hard wired Pod which would access the CW and DVR memories with a
press of a given button and maybe though this is less important to me have
an encoder which would allow tuning the radio.   TenTec has one for the
Orion II and it was a considerable help with engaging the CW and Voice
memories.   The pod made the Orion II far more convenient to use for both
contesting and conventional operation.   For contesting when one does not
touch the tuning for periods of time it would prove helpful and yes I
presently use Micro-Keyer II with Win-test and so have some of these
features but I would still use the DVK and CW memories if it could be done
with more ease.   

Ah well Elecraft is doing a great job and has so many new products and
developing products as it stands that it will take time to digest what is
presently on the plate.   Elecraft is doing a fantastic job.

73 Doug EI2CN 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[k6te Wim]

Dave,

perhaps easier to consider The remoteRig box that allows
you to remote your rig with a single box

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8956

cheers
- Wim

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: remote control

[Mike WA8BXN]

Hi Dave, 
 
That remote USB device looks interesting. I'm not sure, however, that it
will work over the Internet. I think its intended for use on a local network
 I looked at the manual and saw nothing about how you would find the device
from a remote computer via the Internet. That is to say what IP address the
device is using. I suppose that might not be a problem if you have a static
IP address for the device (very uncommon). 

On a local network I bet it does some kind of broadcast saying here I am,
and your computer would be looking for that with the software they provide.
But such broadcasts would not be sent over the entire Internet. 

Maybe someone has had some real experience with that device and can shed
some more light on it. 

73 - Mike WA8BXN

 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote control

[K8TB]

Art,

It looks like you have a pc at the remote site. What you need is a 
parallel relay board, like this one: 
http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/elec/ck1601.htm   . Wire up 
one of the relays to the remote on   pin of the K3. You will find out 
that most cpu's will trigger all the relays on when you power up, and 
the relays will stay on, until driven by a program. The really good news 
is that Simon has a program to control the parallel port in his HRD 
program. Its called "parallel control"! You can now use those other 
relays to control antenna relays and the like at the site.

I use the parallel program to turn the K3 on, and switch antennas.

I use HRD and IpSound. Works OK. But I am looking at the device made 
in Sweden, the RemoteRig. If you have a Kenwood TS-480, the control head 
is actually at your remote (office in your case) location.

Now, we just have to get Elecraft to produce a K3 front panel that 
sends out all the front panel commands as an RS-232 string, and then I 
could have the feel of the K3 at home. BTW, my second K3 is used only as 
a 6 meter SSB/digital modes remote base.

tom K8TB

k...@aol.com wrote:
> I'm setting up my station to be able to remotely operate from the office (yes 
> from work!). I have a web power switch that allows me to turn equipment on 
> and off via the internet. But it appears that isn't the recommended method 
> for the K3.
>
> The K3 manual?has a reference to turning the radio's power on and off 
> remotely by grounding pin 7 on the ACC connector.Then the manual states that 
> the controller must send the K3 a "PS0" remote control command via the RS232 
> interface. Then deactivate the POWER ON signal.
>
> Has anyone had any experience in doing this? In particular, what is the basic 
> code to send the 'PS0" mentioned?
>
>   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[Ian Stirling]

  Some Linksys wireless routers have two serial ports at logic level
on the PCB. Linksys firmware doesn't support them.  Install OpenWRT
and add a couple of level shifters and a mundane router becomes very
versatile.
  Versions 1 to 4 of the WRT54G are compatible with OpenWRT and
so is the one I have, WRT54GL.  Many more from other manufacturers
are supported.
 http://openwrt.org
 http://toh.openwrt.org

Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[Jon K Hellan]

ab2tc wrote:

Hi,

Be careful what you ask for; you might get it. When the Ten-tec Omni 7 was
announced with an Ethernet port offering direct Internet access, I thought
it was a wonderful development.


If you really want to go high end, include an optical Ethernet 
interface. Wired ethernet tends to give problems with RFI. If you hear a 
steady signal around 14030, that's Ethernet.


Cost? Probably too high for comfort for most of us. But you may come 
across something surplus.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[Dr. Werner Furlan]

Larry et al, 

On 4 Mar 2008 at 9:40, Larry Phipps wrote:

> You can create a "one plug" by buying a serial device server from
> someone like Lantronix or Digi for the control portion of the link. It
> connects to the K3 serial port, and converts it into an ethernet port,
> which can be plugged into a router/modem. Make sure you get a model
> that fully supports handshaking if you are using a handshaking line
> for CW keying or PTT. You connect to the remote port using a com port
> redirector program, supplied free from Lantronix and others, which
> creates virtual com ports for you to connect to.

we have tried successfully such an approach for remote controlling a 
transceiver and Pactor Modem via the Internet. I was running Airmail, 
connected to a virtual port on my PC. This virtual port was bridged over the 
Internet and forwarded from the distant router to the IP-serial converter. The 
Ptc-2 modem was connected to the serial port of the converter. 
I could use all functions of the modem and remote control the transceiver.
(38k4 serial Baudrate). 

Your LP-Bridge sounds very promising - looking forward to all these 
possibilities when my K3 is here. 

73! de Werner
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[ab2tc]

Hi,

Be careful what you ask for; you might get it. When the Ten-tec Omni 7 was
announced with an Ethernet port offering direct Internet access, I thought
it was a wonderful development. But a year later, after following the
activity on their Yahoo group, I am not so sure anymore. Remember, the
engineers at Elecraft and Ten-tec are radio engineers, not Web developers.
It's quite clear that the folks at Ten-tec are expending enormous efforts on
putting things right in the network world and they are still not there.
Somebody - I think it was here - suggested that people with the right
expertise develop a small Linux box that would bridge the serial port to
Ethernet and that may be a more sensible way to go. Right now I doubt if
adding an Ethernet port for the K3 should be the priority task giving the
limited engineering resources available.

73 de ab2tc - Knut
Not yet an E3 owner but still looking for an excuse to trade up



STEPHEN W BANKS wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Can any of you tell me what, if any, possibilities exist for remote
> control of the K3?  Seems like there's been some discussion about it, but
> I subscribe to the Digest reflector mode and frequently delete a digest
> forgetting to copy and save a particular post of interest.
> 
> Just wondering how/if anything is planned for the K3 that will be similar
> to the OMNI VII One Plug facility.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Steve Banks
> K0PQ
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[dj7mgq]

For RS-232 to Ethernet these might be very interesting:  
.


Also see 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[Larry Phipps]

You can create a "one plug" by buying a serial device server from 
someone like Lantronix or Digi for the control portion of the link. It 
connects to the K3 serial port, and converts it into an ethernet port, 
which can be plugged into a router/modem. Make sure you get a model that 
fully supports handshaking if you are using a handshaking line for CW 
keying or PTT. You connect to the remote port using a com port 
redirector program, supplied free from Lantronix and others, which 
creates virtual com ports for you to connect to.


If you have a computer at the remote site, you can use an all software 
approach. HRD and TRX-Manager provide remote control options using 
embedded virtual ports. There are also a number of companies that 
provide commercial standalone virtual com port programs. Google "virtual 
com port" for some options.


My upcoming LP-Bridge program will allow connecting a K3 to multiple 
control programs at the same time. To begin with, it will provide 
connecting one real port (the K3) to a number of virtual ports (for 
loggers, PSK programs, CW-Skimmer, etc.), and conditions traffic to/from 
the K3 to prevent collisions and optimize data flow. I plan to provide 
at least one "network" port on the K3 side of the bridge as well. The 
program will be free like my other programs, or very low cost shareware. 
The program will also provide an extensive software bridge to PowerSDR 
to support the LP-PAN panadapter. You can read about LP-Bridge on my 
website, www.telepostinc.com. Click on the LP-PAN link.


73,
Larry N8LP



At 12:52 PM 3/3/2008, STEPHEN W BANKS wrote:
  

>Hi everyone,
>
>Can any of you tell me what, if any, possibilities exist for remote 
>control of the K3?  Seems like there's been some discussion about 
>it, but I subscribe to the Digest reflector mode and frequently 
>delete a digest forgetting to copy and save a particular post of interest.

>
>Just wondering how/if anything is planned for the K3 that will be 
>similar to the OMNI VII One Plug facility.

>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>73,
>
>Steve Banks
>K0PQ


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Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[d.cutter]

I agree and in so-doing will put more effort into a better product, better 
prices, etc
> 
> From: G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > > 
> Why does it need to be in the radio? Do people really want an
> interference-generating network interface inside the case of the K3?
> 
> Surely it is not beyond the capability of the ham radio accessories
> manufacturers to make a small embedded Linux based box using hamlib and a
> web server that would provide this capability to *any* radio, via the
> existing serial port. Such a product would enjoy a potentially much larger
> market than one developed specifically for the K3.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[G4ILO]

Ian J Maude wrote:
> 
> Yep, me too.  I mentioned this back at the first announcement.  Along 
> with a simple web interface in the radio.  This would make it a doddle 
> to do memories and set up the radio.
> 
Why does it need to be in the radio? Do people really want an
interference-generating network interface inside the case of the K3?

Surely it is not beyond the capability of the ham radio accessories
manufacturers to make a small embedded Linux based box using hamlib and a
web server that would provide this capability to *any* radio, via the
existing serial port. Such a product would enjoy a potentially much larger
market than one developed specifically for the K3.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[Ian J Maude]

Bill Harris wrote:

I vote YES for an Ethernet connector

Carry-on
Bill Harris w7kxb
  
Yep, me too.  I mentioned this back at the first announcement.  Along 
with a simple web interface in the radio.  This would make it a doddle 
to do memories and set up the radio.


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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[Bill Harris]

I vote YES for an Ethernet connector

Carry-on
Bill Harris w7kxb

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...
> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:14:20 +0100
> CC: 
> 
> At the moment remote control is via the RS232 (COM port) connector, you will 
> eventually be able to control all aspects of the radio. For audio there are 
> various solutions available already.
>
 An Ethernet connector / solution has not been suggested so far.
> 
> Simon Brown, HB9DRV
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[Jerry Flanders]

You might want to go to elecraft.com, click on "email list" and then 
search the reflector archives. Probably find exactly what you need that way.


Jerry W4UK

At 12:52 PM 3/3/2008, STEPHEN W BANKS wrote:

Hi everyone,

Can any of you tell me what, if any, possibilities exist for remote 
control of the K3?  Seems like there's been some discussion about 
it, but I subscribe to the Digest reflector mode and frequently 
delete a digest forgetting to copy and save a particular post of interest.


Just wondering how/if anything is planned for the K3 that will be 
similar to the OMNI VII One Plug facility.


Thanks in advance.

73,

Steve Banks
K0PQ


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[Greg - AB7R]

I believe Tree, N6TR, is already remoting the K3 using Ham Radio Delux.  I 
think you can 
also use TRX Manager.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009 and 0319

On Mon Mar  3  9:52 , "STEPHEN W BANKS"  sent:

>Hi everyone,
>
>Can any of you tell me what, if any, possibilities exist for remote control of 
>the K3?  
Seems like there's been some discussion about it, but I subscribe to the Digest 
reflector 
mode and frequently delete a digest forgetting to copy and save a particular 
post of 
interest.
>
>Just wondering how/if anything is planned for the K3 that will be similar to 
>the OMNI VII 
One Plug facility.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>73,
>
>Steve Banks
>K0PQ
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Control...

[Simon Brown (HB9DRV)]

At the moment remote control is via the RS232 (COM port) connector, you will 
eventually be able to control all aspects of the radio. For audio there are 
various solutions available already.


An Ethernet connector / solution has not been suggested so far.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV

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Can any of you tell me what, if any, possibilities exist for remote 
control of the K3?  Seems like there's been some discussion about it, but 
I subscribe to the Digest reflector mode and frequently delete a digest 
forgetting to copy and save a particular post of interest.





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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Control Questions

[Ian Stirling]

On Monday 30 April 2007 00:56:51 wayne burdick wrote:
> Menu entry; max timeout still TBD. Suggestions?

Sec.  97.213  Telecommand of an amateur station.
(b) Provisions are incorporated to limit transmission by the station 
to a period of no more than 3 minutes in the event of malfunction in the 
control link.

Three minutes seems to be the maximum to ensure that the operator
complies with FCC rules.

Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Control Questions

[Simon Brown (HB9DRV)]

Maybe option to stop TX unless keepalive CAT command received in the last x 
seconds. While sending the software could send a keepalive message, maybe 
(for much later) power down radio as well (assumption is that internet 
connection lost).


Also the ability to disable TX via a hardware jumper - radio can be made 
available for anyone to use for receiving but without the ability to 
transmit. Later enable/disable transmit via passwords (for the radio 
administrator).


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

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Menu entry; max timeout still TBD. Suggestions?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Control Questions

[Larry Phipps]

Speaking of remote control, does the K3 have a watchdog timer to stop 
transmission after 3 minutes or some adjustable delay?


Larry N8LP



wayne burdick wrote:


On Apr 29, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Richard Thorne wrote:

After listening to the BS7H pile on 20m's today I was reminded that 
the receiver in my 480 is not all that great.  Even with the 500hz 
crystal filter installed, there were all kinds of artifacts from 
strong stations transmitting up a few khz.  So the K3 has grabbed my 
attention.  A couple of questions that are key to remote operations:


1 - I understand that if I short two pins from the ACC connector on 
the back I can turn the rig on/off.  When shorting those two pins is 
it momentary or constant.


Momentary (at least 0.5 second). Or you can leave it on permanently, 
at least until you want to turn the rig off.



IE if I can turn a relay on and off remotely will that relay need to 
stay engaged to keep the rig on?  A little more info would be 
helpful.  I would rather the rig could be turned on with a software 
command or the wake on serial suggestion made earlier.


I can't guarantee this right now, but it's on the list.




2 - I use the sound card on my pc to send receive audio over the 
internet.  Can I send ssb via the pc mono in on the back of the rig.  
I would assume so since psk is done in ssb.


Yes.

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Control Questions

[wayne burdick]

On Apr 29, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Richard Thorne wrote:

After listening to the BS7H pile on 20m's today I was reminded that 
the receiver in my 480 is not all that great.  Even with the 500hz 
crystal filter installed, there were all kinds of artifacts from 
strong stations transmitting up a few khz.  So the K3 has grabbed my 
attention.  A couple of questions that are key to remote operations:


1 - I understand that if I short two pins from the ACC connector on 
the back I can turn the rig on/off.  When shorting those two pins is 
it momentary or constant.


Momentary (at least 0.5 second). Or you can leave it on permanently, at 
least until you want to turn the rig off.



IE if I can turn a relay on and off remotely will that relay need to 
stay engaged to keep the rig on?  A little more info would be helpful. 
 I would rather the rig could be turned on with a software command or 
the wake on serial suggestion made earlier.


I can't guarantee this right now, but it's on the list.




2 - I use the sound card on my pc to send receive audio over the 
internet.  Can I send ssb via the pc mono in on the back of the rig.  
I would assume so since psk is done in ssb.


Yes.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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