Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-10-30 Thread Don Hall
Shades of yore!! I learned enough code to pass my Class C code test given by an 
ex-Merchant Marineoperator in 1948 by using one of these belonging to my dad 
W5RLM(SK).Shows my longevity(age!!)73  Don K5AQW5OBS courtesy of the paper tape 
machine 

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 8:34 AM, Kenneth Christiansen  
wrote:
 

 Hi to the group.

My silent key friend's XYL has a paper tape morse code device and we would like 
to donate it to a museum. It is in a nice looking wood box. It has one paper 
tape, a hand crank on the side of the box and should be saved as an important 
piece of history. His XYL and I are both 74 years old so it will just be a 
matter of time before this ends up in a land fill if we don't find a home for 
it.

She sent me two pictures of it so if anyone is interested I can E-Mail the 
pictures. She will donate the piece and I will pay shipping if we can find a 
home for it.

73

Ken Christiansen.  W0CZ
w0cz at i29 dot net.    Or I am good in QRZ.COM.



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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-10-30 Thread Alan Bloom
When I worked at W1AW back in the mid-70s, we were still using paper 
tape to send CW, but it was 5-hole tape, the same as used for RTTY.  A 
converter box made by Frederick Electronics converted the RTTY Baudot 
code to Morse.


However, we did have an old 2-hole CW tape machine that was used for the 
frequency-measuring tests because you could send long dashes with it by 
manually covering up the "off" hole at the end of a dot or dash.  I 
don't remember what brand of machine it was.


You might consider donating your "find" to the ARRL museum.  I believe 
Bob Allison WB1GCM of the ARRL lab is the curator.  860-594-0210


Alan N1AL


On 10/30/2016 01:54 PM, Don Hall wrote:

Shades of yore!! I learned enough code to pass my Class C code test
given by an ex-Merchant Marineoperator in 1948 by using one of these
belonging to my dad W5RLM(SK).Shows my longevity(age!!)73  Don
K5AQW5OBS courtesy of the paper tape machine

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 8:34 AM, Kenneth Christiansen
 wrote:


Hi to the group.

My silent key friend's XYL has a paper tape morse code device and we
would like to donate it to a museum. It is in a nice looking wood
box. It has one paper tape, a hand crank on the side of the box and
should be saved as an important piece of history. His XYL and I are
both 74 years old so it will just be a matter of time before this
ends up in a land fill if we don't find a home for it.

She sent me two pictures of it so if anyone is interested I can
E-Mail the pictures. She will donate the piece and I will pay
shipping if we can find a home for it.

73

Ken Christiansen.  W0CZ w0cz at i29 dot net.Or I am good in
QRZ.COM.



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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-10-30 Thread Tom Francis

Oh wow - my Dad had one of those - does that go back a few years.

Donate it to W1AW museum - I don't know who the station engineer is anymore
as I left there in the late '80s, but I'm sure they would really 
appreciate the donation.


Tom, W1TEF

On 10/30/2016 9:33 AM, Kenneth Christiansen wrote:

Hi to the group.

My silent key friend's XYL has a paper tape morse code device and we would like 
to donate it to a museum. It is in a nice looking wood box. It has one paper 
tape, a hand crank on the side of the box and should be saved as an important 
piece of history. His XYL and I are both 74 years old so it will just be a 
matter of time before this ends up in a land fill if we don't find a home for 
it.

She sent me two pictures of it so if anyone is interested I can E-Mail the 
pictures. She will donate the piece and I will pay shipping if we can find a 
home for it.

73

Ken Christiansen.  W0CZ
w0cz at i29 dot net.Or I am good in QRZ.COM.



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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-10-30 Thread George Kidder
Interesting!  I used to own one of these (the single-hole variety) - it 
never worked too well, but then I was no expert at it.  Don't remember 
where I got rid of it - probably at a hamfest for a song.


I took my extra code exam with a portable version of this machine, run 
by the FCC examiner.  It's a long story which I won't repeat, but it 
involved a tape machine malfunction!  Cranky beasts.


George, W3HBM (age 82)


On 10/30/2016 5:48 PM, Tom Francis wrote:

Oh wow - my Dad had one of those - does that go back a few years.

Donate it to W1AW museum - I don't know who the station engineer is 
anymore
as I left there in the late '80s, but I'm sure they would really 
appreciate the donation.


Tom, W1TEF

On 10/30/2016 9:33 AM, Kenneth Christiansen wrote:

Hi to the group.

My silent key friend's XYL has a paper tape morse code device and we 
would like to donate it to a museum. It is in a nice looking wood 
box. It has one paper tape, a hand crank on the side of the box and 
should be saved as an important piece of history. His XYL and I are 
both 74 years old so it will just be a matter of time before this 
ends up in a land fill if we don't find a home for it.


She sent me two pictures of it so if anyone is interested I can 
E-Mail the pictures. She will donate the piece and I will pay 
shipping if we can find a home for it.


73

Ken Christiansen.  W0CZ
w0cz at i29 dot net.Or I am good in QRZ.COM.



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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-10-30 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Sounds like an "Instructograph". I had the use of one for learning Morse back 
in the early 1950's. The problem was with inadvertently memorizing the tape 
through too many repeat plays, but extremely valuable otherwise.

73 Ron AC7AC 

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Hall
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 1:54 PM
To: Kenneth Christiansen; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

Shades of yore!! I learned enough code to pass my Class C code test given by an 
ex-Merchant Marineoperator in 1948 by using one of these belonging to my dad 
W5RLM(SK).Shows my longevity(age!!)73  Don K5AQW5OBS courtesy of the paper tape 
machine 

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 8:34 AM, Kenneth Christiansen  
wrote:

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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-10-30 Thread Don Hall
Ron,
That was the brand of the machine I used. As soon as I made any progress, I 
started listeningon the air. Crude methodology, but effective. Been a 
fun-filled 68 years in ham radio!
73  Don  K5AQW5OBS K2GCS F0HXS 7J1AEF 9V1SH ES5AQEnd of brag tape!! 

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:38 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote:
 

 Sounds like an "Instructograph". I had the use of one for learning Morse back 
in the early 1950's. The problem was with inadvertently memorizing the tape 
through too many repeat plays, but extremely valuable otherwise.

73 Ron AC7AC 

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Hall
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 1:54 PM
To: Kenneth Christiansen; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

Shades of yore!! I learned enough code to pass my Class C code test given by an 
ex-Merchant Marineoperator in 1948 by using one of these belonging to my dad 
W5RLM(SK).Shows my longevity(age!!)73  Don K5AQW5OBS courtesy of the paper tape 
machine 

    On Sunday, October 30, 2016 8:34 AM, Kenneth Christiansen  
wrote:

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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-10-30 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
Are y'all talking about an "Instructo-Graph" (if I spelled it correctly)?

Got a couple of those in the basement along with some Int'l Morse & American
Morse paper tapes.

If I remember correctly, one is a spring driven, wind up and the other has
an AC motor drive.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George
Kidder
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:57 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

Interesting!  I used to own one of these (the single-hole variety) - it
never worked too well, but then I was no expert at it.  Don't remember where
I got rid of it - probably at a hamfest for a song.

I took my extra code exam with a portable version of this machine, run by
the FCC examiner.  It's a long story which I won't repeat, but it involved a
tape machine malfunction!  Cranky beasts.

George, W3HBM (age 82)



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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-10-30 Thread Don Hall
Mine was crank-up. Basic!
73  Don  K5AQ 

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 6:40 PM, "Charlie T, K3ICH"  
wrote:
 

 Are y'all talking about an "Instructo-Graph" (if I spelled it correctly)?

Got a couple of those in the basement along with some Int'l Morse & American
Morse paper tapes.

If I remember correctly, one is a spring driven, wind up and the other has
an AC motor drive.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George
Kidder
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:57 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

Interesting!  I used to own one of these (the single-hole variety) - it
never worked too well, but then I was no expert at it.  Don't remember where
I got rid of it - probably at a hamfest for a song.

I took my extra code exam with a portable version of this machine, run by
the FCC examiner.  It's a long story which I won't repeat, but it involved a
tape machine malfunction!  Cranky beasts.

George, W3HBM (age 82)



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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-10-30 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Some museums would LOVE to display those. 

I suggested 

http://radiomarine.org/

I donated an old bug to them a few years back and they were very
appreciative.

Contact RD (Richard Dillman) at i...@radiomarine.org. 

They are great bunch helping to preserve the history of Morse on the air.

My connection with them was that when they were still handling ship traffic
I worked them from various vessels in the San Francisco area and I've
visited them. Also, an "Elmer" of mine from way back in the 1950's was an
operator there. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Charlie T, K3ICH
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 4:39 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

Are y'all talking about an "Instructo-Graph" (if I spelled it correctly)?

Got a couple of those in the basement along with some Int'l Morse & American
Morse paper tapes.

If I remember correctly, one is a spring driven, wind up and the other has
an AC motor drive.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George
Kidder
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:57 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

Interesting!  I used to own one of these (the single-hole variety) - it
never worked too well, but then I was no expert at it.  Don't remember where
I got rid of it - probably at a hamfest for a song.

I took my extra code exam with a portable version of this machine, run by
the FCC examiner.  It's a long story which I won't repeat, but it involved a
tape machine malfunction!  Cranky beasts.

George, W3HBM (age 82)



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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-10-31 Thread Cady, Fred
There is also a great museum in Manitoba.

http://marminc.ca/


Fred KE7X



From: Elecraft  on behalf of Ron D'Eau Claire 

Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 8:24 PM
To: 'Charlie T, K3ICH'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

Some museums would LOVE to display those.

I suggested

http://radiomarine.org/

I donated an old bug to them a few years back and they were very
appreciative.

Contact RD (Richard Dillman) at i...@radiomarine.org.

They are great bunch helping to preserve the history of Morse on the air.

My connection with them was that when they were still handling ship traffic
I worked them from various vessels in the San Francisco area and I've
visited them. Also, an "Elmer" of mine from way back in the 1950's was an
operator there.

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Charlie T, K3ICH
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 4:39 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

Are y'all talking about an "Instructo-Graph" (if I spelled it correctly)?

Got a couple of those in the basement along with some Int'l Morse & American
Morse paper tapes.

If I remember correctly, one is a spring driven, wind up and the other has
an AC motor drive.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George
Kidder
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:57 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

Interesting!  I used to own one of these (the single-hole variety) - it
never worked too well, but then I was no expert at it.  Don't remember where
I got rid of it - probably at a hamfest for a song.

I took my extra code exam with a portable version of this machine, run by
the FCC examiner.  It's a long story which I won't repeat, but it involved a
tape machine malfunction!  Cranky beasts.

George, W3HBM (age 82)



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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-10-31 Thread Edward R Cole
Guessing a lot of us first licensed in 1950's learned code from one 
of these.  Instruct-O-Graph sounds familiar.  My ham license 
instructor (elmer) used one in night-time class a nearby HS (Caro, 
MI).  He was music teacher for his day job.  Must have trusted me as 
he let me take it home after class ended.  I got to where I had 
memorized the tape after playing it, so resorted to copying code with 
my 3-tube regen receiver on 40m.  He administered my Novice exam 
resulting in KN8MWA in Nov. 1958.


First ham station: Knight Ocean Hopper and DX35 to twinlead 40m FD:
http://www.kl7uw.com/1958%20HamStation.jpg

I visited the Manitoba museum in 1999 after attending Microwave 
Update in Winnipeg.


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-11-01 Thread W5RDW
When I took my 13 wpm General Test at the Houston FCC office in 1961, they
used a tape fed code machine. The only problem with it was the extremely low
pitch it was set for, much lower than what I was use to. So many complained
after the first part of the run was sent, they raised the pitch and then it
sounded much better to most of us.

Roger W5RDW



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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-11-01 Thread gn525--- via Elecraft
FCC Detroit office, early 70’s.  The punch tape code sending machine had 
issues, very warbly.  I still passed.


They got a back-up machine out and let those that failed retake the test.  Not 
one of them passed on their second go-round with the replacement machine.  I 
guess you are either prepared or you are not.


Gary

K9JN
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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-11-01 Thread Tony Estep
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:49 AM, W5RDW  wrote:

> When I took my 13 wpm General Test at the Houston FCC office in 1961,
> they used a tape fed code machine.


Ah yes Roger, I remember that at my General test in 1958. I still remember
the first sentence: "Turning westward, 400 aircraft blanketed the horizon."

Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-11-01 Thread Fred Jensen
Los Angeles, early 1953:  They used a 2-hole tape reader.  Big thing, 
smelled of oil, sat in a tin tray next to the examiner's desk.  Used a 
tach on the motor shaft to indicate speed on a gauge that looked exactly 
like a pressure gauge on a steam locomotive.  Very imposing and 
intimidating, and the Examiner [wearing a green eyeshade] told me to sit 
right next to it. :-(


6 months later, same machine at 13 WPM, and 2 years after that at 20 and 
25 WPM for the Extra and 2T.  Same Examiner too.


I think the MHRS [KPH/KSM crowd at Point Reyes] uses the same kind 
[Boehme?], I've seen it at Pacificon a couple of times.  Even 60 years 
later, seeing it still gave me a sinking spell.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

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On 11/1/2016 3:53 AM, gn525--- via Elecraft wrote:

FCC Detroit office, early 70’s.  The punch tape code sending machine
had issues, very warbly.  I still passed.

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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-11-01 Thread gn525--- via Elecraft
FCC Detroit office, early 70’s.  The punch tape code sending machine had 
issues, very warbly.  I still passed.





They got a back-up machine out and let those that failed retake the test.  Not 
one of them passed on their second go-round with the replacement machine.  I 
guess you are either prepared or you are not.




Gary

K9JN
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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-11-01 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Let's wind down and end this OT thread in the interest of controlling email 
overload for other list readers. (We're now at 35 posts..)


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Eric
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On 11/1/2016 11:32 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Los Angeles, early 1953:  They used a 2-hole tape reader.  Big thing, smelled 
of oil, sat in a tin tray next to the examiner's desk.  Used a tach on the 
motor shaft to indicate speed on a gauge that looked exactly like a pressure 
gauge on a steam locomotive.  Very imposing and intimidating, and the Examiner 
[wearing a green eyeshade] told me to sit right next to it. :-(


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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-11-01 Thread Don Hall
Similar thing happened to me at a West Gulf Convention in Dallas in the early 
50's. After the CW testone or more claimed there was a fault in the letters. I 
had passed but. along with several others hadto repeat. Fortunately, I was 
prepared so passed it again and got my Class B and Class A.This thread has 
brought back lots of memories.
73  Don  K5AQ 

On Tuesday, November 1, 2016 4:41 PM, gn525--- via Elecraft 
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 FCC Detroit office, early 70’s.  The punch tape code sending machine had 
issues, very warbly.  I still passed.





They got a back-up machine out and let those that failed retake the test.  Not 
one of them passed on their second go-round with the replacement machine.  I 
guess you are either prepared or you are not.




Gary

K9JN
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Re: [Elecraft] Paper Tape CW sender

2016-11-01 Thread Bob
FCC office in NYC, mid 60', 2 trips and passed the General and Extra.  Had a 
friend whose call will not be disclosed who was far better at CW than I.  Every 
time he went  from nerves just lost it.   On his last trip in mid way through 
the exam the tape machine  developed a problem.  The examiner said that he would 
attempt to fix it on his lunch hour and if anyone wanted too they could take the 
exam over after lunch. Some had passed even as they got a full minute of copy 
before the machine failed.


At the time the drinking age in NY was 18 and 21 in NJ.  So my friend and 
another fellow he met there had almost 2 hours to kill.  They went to a local 
bar and was pretty much blitzed upon return  Had failed in the morning and only 
missed two letters in the afternoon. Nerves were no longer a factor.


Far different era. The FCC office at 201 Varick Street is still a government 
office and  close by "Radio Row" became the site of the World Trade Center.


But the memories!!

73,

Bob

K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR


On 11/1/2016 6:58 AM, gn525--- via Elecraft wrote:

FCC Detroit office, early 70’s.  The punch tape code sending machine had 
issues, very warbly.  I still passed.





They got a back-up machine out and let those that failed retake the test.  Not 
one of them passed on their second go-round with the replacement machine.  I 
guess you are either prepared or you are not.




Gary

K9JN
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