Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Edward R Cole]

First off, my thanks for all the suggestions from several people.

Here is how I make my QSL's:
1. The photo is opened with Paint (it is found by clicking "START" 
then clicking "ALL PROGRAMS" and a dialog window opens which I click 
accessories and click Paint.
2. I use text from Paint to add lettering on the image; be sure to 
click transparent text else the test window will produce a white 
rectangle within which the test is inserted.  Word Art is also handy.

3. Once I have the photos with added text set up I save the file.
4. Next I open MSWord and insert the photo, sizing it so four images 
fit a 11-1/2 by 8 inch page; select Landscape format for this.  You 
just insert the image four times resizing to fit after each one is open.
5. I use MSWord to produce the back side text and save it under a 
different file name.
6.Then I use a plain sheet of paper to test print the cards; you may 
need to move the images on the MSWord document in order to align well 
for using 4 segment card stock.
7. One side of the card is printed using the image file; then I open 
the text side and print the backside of the cards
8. Take note of how to insert the unprinted card stock so you print 
on the blank side and not on the side that was already printed.

9. Separate the individual cards using the perforated lines on the card stock.

Hopefully you have a little art sense for layout of your cards.

73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Guys, thread was closed earlier. Please take it off list.

73,

Eric
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> On Jul 26, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <r...@cobi.biz> wrote:
> 
> Hams are people. Some people are dishonest.
> 
> However, to judge whether a contact is honest or not cannot be made on the
> basis of what we think we know about propagation. 
> 
> Remember that Hams in the USA were given the use of frequencies of 200
> meters and down based on the "scientific" knowledge that any wavelength less
> than 200 meter was totally useless for communications beyond a mile or two.
> 200 meters is about 1500 kHz. They were saying that any frequency higher
> than 1500 kHz was useless for long-distance communications: All of the HF
> ham bands were useless for communications beyond a mile or two or as some
> said (beyond their back yards). 
> 
> We know that is not true. Further, we are still discovering unexpected
> oddities in propagation. Exploring those oddities is one of the major
> justifications for even having Hams because there are so many of us
> tinkering around with things others are sure will never work. 
> 
> Sure, a pair of Hams may collude to report a contact. But to assume it was
> not possible is to reject the very basis for why Ham radio exists (at least
> in the USA). 
> 
> I suggest that such odd reports be places on "suspension" until more are
> received, just as any other experience would be until it is proven
> "repeatable". Only then could it be accepted as "proof" of the first
> occurrence. 
> 
> Otherwise it is allowed to fade into obscurity along with things like cold
> fusion.
> 
> 73 Ron AC7AC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gene
> Gabry
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:45 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs
> 
> I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same
> capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact
> could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon
> Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have
> coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off
> an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most
> hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition
> in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham
> community as well. 
> 
> Gene, N9TF
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Brown
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:51 PM
> To: Reflector Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs
> 
> LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed.
> Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is
> rare.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Hams are people. Some people are dishonest.
 
However, to judge whether a contact is honest or not cannot be made on the
basis of what we think we know about propagation. 

Remember that Hams in the USA were given the use of frequencies of 200
meters and down based on the "scientific" knowledge that any wavelength less
than 200 meter was totally useless for communications beyond a mile or two.
200 meters is about 1500 kHz. They were saying that any frequency higher
than 1500 kHz was useless for long-distance communications: All of the HF
ham bands were useless for communications beyond a mile or two or as some
said (beyond their back yards). 

We know that is not true. Further, we are still discovering unexpected
oddities in propagation. Exploring those oddities is one of the major
justifications for even having Hams because there are so many of us
tinkering around with things others are sure will never work. 

Sure, a pair of Hams may collude to report a contact. But to assume it was
not possible is to reject the very basis for why Ham radio exists (at least
in the USA). 

I suggest that such odd reports be places on "suspension" until more are
received, just as any other experience would be until it is proven
"repeatable". Only then could it be accepted as "proof" of the first
occurrence. 

Otherwise it is allowed to fade into obscurity along with things like cold
fusion.

73 Ron AC7AC




-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gene
Gabry
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:45 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same
capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact
could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon
Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have
coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off
an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most
hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition
in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham
community as well. 

Gene, N9TF

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:51 PM
To: Reflector Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed.
Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is
rare.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 7/26/2016 7:46 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

In every case except Canada, the US rules tell a visiting amateur to
sign the /. Thus in the last CWT, I
worked W5/MM0LID. However Canadian hams are to sign their
/. I have no idea why, but if I were
operating in British Columbia, I'd be K6DGW/VE7.


The formats are specified by the respective international treaties.

For Canadian amateurs the format is specified by the "Convention
Between the United States and Canada (TIAS No. 2508) Relating to the
Operation by Citizens of Either Country of Certain Radio Equipment or
Stations in the Other Country" (§97.107 (a)(1)).

For amateurs from countries covered by CEPT (§97.5 (d)) or IARP
(§97.5 (e)) the format is specified by those conventions.

As to why the two formats are different ... the Canada/US Convention
preceded CEPT (Europe) and IARP (The Americas) by more than a decade
... the Europeans chose to do things their own way  and the majority
of IARP decided to emulate Europe rather than the US/Canada.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Fred Jensen]

You're right Jorge, it is a real problem when using on-line systems such 
as eQSL and LoTW as well as for contest log checking.  The reverse 
situation occurs often too.  You sign JA/CX6VM but I log it as CX6VM. 
If someone signs K6XXX/7, do I log it as received or as K6XXX.  All 
depends on how he will submit it, and that depends on why he thought it 
necessary to send /7.  It gets even more complicated between the US and 
Canada:


In every case except Canada, the US rules tell a visiting amateur to 
sign the /.  Thus in the last CWT, I 
worked W5/MM0LID.  However Canadian hams are to sign their 
/.  I have no idea why, but if I were operating 
in British Columbia, I'd be K6DGW/VE7.  How much of that would get 
logged is sort of up in the air.


Ignoring the costs for a moment, that is an advantage of hard copy QSL 
cards ... you can annotate them with special circumstances, such as 
remote operation, which is occurring more frequently these days.


Costs tend to follow the world economy.  In the mid-50's, I could mail a 
domestic card for $0.03 but of course, $0.05 would also buy me an ice 
cream cone or a candy bar, and it cost $0.15 to ride the 
bus/streetcar/urban train down to the FCC office in downtown Los 
Angeles.  Most ice cream cones now are in the general range of #3.00 for 
one scoop. :-)


I will respond to Bureau QSL cards that say "Pse QSL."  If someone sends 
me a card direct, I always respond.  I operate W7RN remote, and 
sometimes on-site.  Tom has a vast-ish array of "real" QSL cards under 
the glass on desks at the opr positions.  Fun to read.


73,

Fred K6DGW(/7?)
Sparks NV DM09dn

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On 7/26/2016 6:17 AM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote:

That's what I mean Gene

Or maybe this situation, I run a remote station in Japan, worked P5
at 14 utc but called him as cx6vm and not JA/ cx6vm

That will match on LOTW but LOTW don't know that is impossible a DX
on 160 mts at 14 utc

73, Jorge


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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Guys - This is a little too OT. Let's close the thread and take this off-list.

73,

Eric
Moderator etc.
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On 7/25/2016 6:41 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,7/25/2016 6:12 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:


"Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) " We're supposed to avoid politics 
here. 


Why is that political? Are you unaware of the widespread cheating in some 
contests?


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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Bill Frantz]

For very short run QSLs, I make up a card in a photo editing 
program and print it as a 4x6 print. I cut that down to 3.5" x 
5.5" for a standard QSL size. I put all the QSO information on 
the front and leave the back as it comes from the photo shop.


For the 80-100 cards I need to print for the special event 
station that just finished, it has been suggested that I get a 
copy shop (Kinko's/FedEx etc.) to print them 4 up on glossy 
stock with anything I want on the back. For larger numbers, the 
various QSL printers are probably the way to go.



As for sending QSLs, I upload all my contacts to LotW (including 
net control contacts for the Elecraft SSB net). If I want a card 
from you, I will send you one with a SASE/SAE w/green stamps. If 
you want a card from me, send a request via email or postal 
mail. Since Santa Clara county isn't a rare one, I can afford 
the postage for the people who want my card.


I will add, I still don't know the procedure to apply paper QSLs 
to DXCC. I got mine entirely with LotW.


73 Bill AE6JV (and QSL manager for N7C)

On 7/25/16 at 12:37 AM, kl...@acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) wrote:

So while on the topic of cards (I print my own with my computer 
on card stock), I'm wondering if there is recommendations for 
someone that sells photo QSL's with custom printed info?  Might 
like to upgrade the quality of my QSL's.  I have different 
cards for 600m, 6m, 2m, and mw-eme plus terrestrial mw.  I use 
the 6m card for any HF requests.


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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[EricJ]

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On 7/26/2016 5:45 AM, Gene Gabry wrote:

I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same
capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact
could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon
Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have
coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off
an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most
hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition
in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham
community as well.

Gene, N9TF



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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Clay Autery]

I use KB3IFH at http://kb3ifh.homestead.com/ .  I have made two
different orders of full color, heavy gloss stock, printed both sides
from him.  Fair price and fast turn-around.

Here's the product I bought:

"PREMIUM QSL Cards (14pt Gloss Front (UV Coating) / Color Back"
http://kb3ifh.homestead.com/portfolio.html#anchor_56

Please tell him KY5G sent you  I don't "get" anything from the
referral.  Just want him to know that I am, in fact, sending him "Word
of Mouth" business.  :)
Beautiful cards.  100% Custom.  I get compliments on them all the time.

73,

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On 7/26/2016 2:37 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> I still do QSL cards but only if requested for a contact on HF.  On 6m
> I QSL 100% of initial contacts.  On 2m and up I QSL eme initial
> contacts 100%.
>
> If you want to work Alaska on 2m-eme then you have to work me.  I'm
> the only station that is regularly active.
> http://www.kl7uw.com/QSL_2mEME_2011.jpg
>
> One other station has the ability to set up his 30-foot dish on 2m but
> rarely does.  His eme interest is 432 and up.
>
> So while on the topic of cards (I print my own with my computer on
> card stock), I'm wondering if there is recommendations for someone
> that sells photo QSL's with custom printed info?  Might like to
> upgrade the quality of my QSL's.  I have different cards for 600m, 6m,
> 2m, and mw-eme plus terrestrial mw.  I use the 6m card for any HF
> requests.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Jorge Diez CX6VM]

That's what I mean Gene

Or maybe this situation, I run a remote station in Japan, worked P5 at 14 utc 
but called him as cx6vm and not JA/ cx6vm

That will match on LOTW but LOTW don't know that is impossible a DX on 160 mts 
at 14 utc 

73,
Jorge

Enviado desde mi iPhone

> El 26 jul. 2016, a las 09:45, Gene Gabry <n...@comcast.net> escribió:
> 
> I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same
> capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact
> could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon
> Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have
> coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off
> an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most
> hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition
> in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham
> community as well. 
> 
> Gene, N9TF
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Brown
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:51 PM
> To: Reflector Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs
> 
> LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed.
> Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is
> rare.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
>> On Mon,7/25/2016 6:54 PM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote:
>> But LOTW don't know about propagation and confirm any match, also when 
>> one side of the QSO was during his noon time
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Gene Gabry]

I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same
capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact
could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon
Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have
coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off
an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most
hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition
in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham
community as well. 

Gene, N9TF

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:51 PM
To: Reflector Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed.
Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is
rare.

73, Jim K9YC

On Mon,7/25/2016 6:54 PM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote:
> But LOTW don't know about propagation and confirm any match, also when 
> one side of the QSO was during his noon time


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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Edward R Cole]

I still do QSL cards but only if requested for a contact on HF.  On 
6m I QSL 100% of initial contacts.  On 2m and up I QSL eme initial 
contacts 100%.


If you want to work Alaska on 2m-eme then you have to work me.  I'm 
the only station that is regularly active.

http://www.kl7uw.com/QSL_2mEME_2011.jpg

One other station has the ability to set up his 30-foot dish on 2m 
but rarely does.  His eme interest is 432 and up.


So while on the topic of cards (I print my own with my computer on 
card stock), I'm wondering if there is recommendations for someone 
that sells photo QSL's with custom printed info?  Might like to 
upgrade the quality of my QSL's.  I have different cards for 600m, 
6m, 2m, and mw-eme plus terrestrial mw.  I use the 6m card for any HF requests.


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
"Kits made by KL7UW"
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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Jim Brown]

LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be 
confirmed. Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it 
right. But that is rare.


73, Jim K9YC

On Mon,7/25/2016 6:54 PM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote:

But LOTW don't know about propagation and confirm any match, also when one side 
of the QSO was during his noon time



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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Way back in the 50's and 60's we knew that some operators were "earning"
their ARRL CW speed proficiency certificates by recording W1AW on
reel-to-reel tape recorders and cutting the speed in half. But that was
them. I know my certificates were a record of my real ability. That's all
that mattered to me.

73, Ron AC7AC  

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> "Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) " 

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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Jorge Diez CX6VM]

That's sounds very good

But LOTW don't know about propagation and confirm any match, also when one side 
of the QSO was during his noon time

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

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> El 25 jul. 2016, a las 18:56, Jim Brown  escribió:
> 
>> On Mon,7/25/2016 2:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>> It's almost as bad in the states if you have 160-meter cards.  For the life 
>> of me I can't understand why any card checker can't do 160 QSLs.
> 
> The requirement is that a card checker must have achieved 160M DXCC 
> him/herself before they can check 160M cards. The reason is pretty simple -- 
> some operators were cheating by doctoring cards -- for example, by changing 
> 18.1 MHz to 1.8 MHz. The logic is that a card checker should know enough 
> about 160M propagation (and perhaps even activity) to know whether a QSL 
> might be invalid because it occurs at a time when the band could not possibly 
> have been open between the two stations (for example, no common darkness over 
> a realistic path, taking greyline into account).
> 
> Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :)
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,7/25/2016 6:12 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:


"Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) " We're supposed to avoid 
politics here. 


Why is that political? Are you unaware of the widespread cheating in 
some contests?


73, Jim

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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Wes Stewart]

I know that "logic" but doctored cards are nothing new and are always reason for 
rejection.  So all cards should be looked at closely by every card checker.


Besides, with the plethora of stations for hire, who says a guy in sunny CA 
can't work Mt Athos on 160 using a station in dark ME.


"Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) "   We're supposed to avoid politics 
here.

On 7/25/2016 2:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,7/25/2016 2:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
It's almost as bad in the states if you have 160-meter cards.  For the life 
of me I can't understand why any card checker can't do 160 QSLs. 


The requirement is that a card checker must have achieved 160M DXCC 
him/herself before they can check 160M cards. The reason is pretty simple -- 
some operators were cheating by doctoring cards -- for example, by changing 
18.1 MHz to 1.8 MHz. The logic is that a card checker should know enough about 
160M propagation (and perhaps even activity) to know whether a QSL might be 
invalid because it occurs at a time when the band could not possibly have been 
open between the two stations (for example, no common darkness over a 
realistic path, taking greyline into account).


Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :)

73, Jim K9YC 


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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Bill]

Putting the costs into perspective by date - it was not cheap back in 
the day. I have many many QSL cards I have received over the years and 
enjoy going through them. Some are simple, some are ornate, and I even 
have a few that were hand made. The gist of this? You cannot view 
electronic QSL cards - they are only there to serve the purpose of 
proving a contact to attain some form of status.


Electronic QSLs fit right in with texting and other impersonal 
activities of the digital age.


I no longer DX, except to rag chew - so I really don't care if I get a 
QSL or not. But, I sure don't mind sending them and most certainly enjoy 
receiving them. Anymore, I also only do direct.


Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[EricJ]

Hah! You should be in So Cal. EVERYBODY wants my card. Ok, nobody, but 
I'll courteously reply in kind if it ever happens.


Eric KE6US

On 7/25/2016 3:18 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

As always, I respond to a request for a QSL in whatever form the other
station wants. Being located in Oregon I do not get a lot of requests, so
it's not a significant burden.

73, Ron AC7AC



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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[EricJ]

Hah! You should be in So Cal. EVERYBODY wants my card. Ok, nobody, but 
I'll courteously reply in kind if it ever happens.


Eric KE6US

On 7/25/2016 3:18 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

When I was first licensed in the 1950's, the cost of printing QSLs was a
significant expense, as was the cost of International Reply Coupons if I
didn't want to wait for the buro. I could buy a gallon of gas for 25 cents
and a decent meal for $1.00. And, while it was far cheaper even in adjusted
dollars than today, the cost of College was very significant.

As always, I respond to a request for a QSL in whatever form the other
station wants. Being located in Oregon I do not get a lot of requests, so
it's not a significant burden.

73, Ron AC7AC

  


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 Original message From: Jim Brown
 Date: 7/25/16  1:49 PM  (GMT-06:00) To:
elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM,
stan levandowski wrote:

On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro."

That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a
confirmation from you to spend money with the postal system. When we
were kids, it cost a penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost
of printing a card, it costs someone who wants your card more than $1
round trip (.49 each way) in the US, more than $2 between US and Canada,
average $3.50 to/from other countries.

LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the
popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate
thing to do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of
what we said in the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now,
the last courtesy of a QSO is an upload to LOTW.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

When I was first licensed in the 1950's, the cost of printing QSLs was a
significant expense, as was the cost of International Reply Coupons if I
didn't want to wait for the buro. I could buy a gallon of gas for 25 cents
and a decent meal for $1.00. And, while it was far cheaper even in adjusted
dollars than today, the cost of College was very significant.

As always, I respond to a request for a QSL in whatever form the other
station wants. Being located in Oregon I do not get a lot of requests, so
it's not a significant burden.

73, Ron AC7AC

 

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 Original message From: Jim Brown
 Date: 7/25/16  1:49 PM  (GMT-06:00) To:
elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] QSLs On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM,
stan levandowski wrote:
> On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro." 

That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a 
confirmation from you to spend money with the postal system. When we 
were kids, it cost a penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost 
of printing a card, it costs someone who wants your card more than $1 
round trip (.49 each way) in the US, more than $2 between US and Canada, 
average $3.50 to/from other countries.

LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the 
popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate 
thing to do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of 
what we said in the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now, 
the last courtesy of a QSO is an upload to LOTW.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,7/25/2016 2:42 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
It's almost as bad in the states if you have 160-meter cards.  For the 
life of me I can't understand why any card checker can't do 160 QSLs. 


The requirement is that a card checker must have achieved 160M DXCC 
him/herself before they can check 160M cards. The reason is pretty 
simple -- some operators were cheating by doctoring cards -- for 
example, by changing 18.1 MHz to 1.8 MHz. The logic is that a card 
checker should know enough about 160M propagation (and perhaps even 
activity) to know whether a QSL might be invalid because it occurs at a 
time when the band could not possibly have been open between the two 
stations (for example, no common darkness over a realistic path, taking 
greyline into account).


Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :)

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Walter Underwood]

Hmm, the 160 meter QSLs might be complicated by the varying rules for different 
parts of the US that were in force during the LORAN era.

Any old QSLs should be checked for those rules, but those should be getting 
pretty rare by now.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:
> 
> It's almost as bad in the states if you have 160-meter cards.  For the life 
> of me I can't understand why any card checker can't do 160 QSLs.
> 
> I still send a receive paper cards...recently bought 1000 of them, but LoTW 
> is great.
> 
> Wes N7WS
> 
> On 7/25/2016 1:07 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
>> I couldn't agree with Jim more!
>> 
>> I love LOTW and wish everyone would use it.
>> 
>> It's not just the cost of postage for the cards themselves. I am trying to 
>> increase my DXCC total and submitting confirmations by LOTW is so much 
>> easier than getting cards checked by the /one/ guy in the country who can do 
>> it, or mailing them to the ARRL in the USA and hoping that our troubled 
>> postal service will get them there and back.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Wes Stewart]

It's almost as bad in the states if you have 160-meter cards.  For the life of 
me I can't understand why any card checker can't do 160 QSLs.


I still send a receive paper cards...recently bought 1000 of them, but LoTW is 
great.


Wes N7WS

On 7/25/2016 1:07 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:

I couldn't agree with Jim more!

I love LOTW and wish everyone would use it.

It's not just the cost of postage for the cards themselves. I am trying to 
increase my DXCC total and submitting confirmations by LOTW is so much easier 
than getting cards checked by the /one/ guy in the country who can do it, or 
mailing them to the ARRL in the USA and hoping that our troubled postal 
service will get them there and back.


73,
Vic, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/


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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Bill Rowlett]

If all you want is a contact confirmation in the ARRL data base to be used for 
an award from ARRL, than by all means use LOTW.

LOTW is not “the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL.” A QSL which can be held in 
you hand, can bring back a memory about the QSO, that is the last courtesy of 
the QSO, not some data in a data bank somewhere.

As for me, all CARDS go by the buro, state side manager with SASE, or direct 
with SASE. 

Back in my hole now

Bill  KC4ATU


> On Jul 25, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP  wrote:
> 
> I couldn't agree with Jim more!
> 
> I love LOTW and wish everyone would use it.
> 
> It's not just the cost of postage for the cards themselves. I am trying to 
> increase my DXCC total and submitting confirmations by LOTW is so much easier 
> than getting cards checked by the /one/ guy in the country who can do it, or 
> mailing them to the ARRL in the USA and hoping that our troubled postal 
> service will get them there and back.
> 
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> 
> On 25 Jul 2016 21:49, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM, stan levandowski wrote:
>>> On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro."
>> 
>> That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a
>> confirmation from you to spend money with the postal system. When we
>> were kids, it cost a penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost
>> of printing a card, it costs someone who wants your card more than $1
>> round trip (.49 each way) in the US, more than $2 between US and Canada,
>> average $3.50 to/from other countries.
>> 
>> LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the
>> popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate
>> thing to do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of
>> what we said in the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now,
>> the last courtesy of a QSO is an upload to LOTW.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[mfsj]

Well said Jim.
73,Fred/N0AZZ


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 Original message From: Jim Brown  
Date: 7/25/16  1:49 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: 
[Elecraft] QSLs 
On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM, stan levandowski wrote:
> On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro." 

That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a 
confirmation from you to spend money with the postal system. When we 
were kids, it cost a penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost 
of printing a card, it costs someone who wants your card more than $1 
round trip (.49 each way) in the US, more than $2 between US and Canada, 
average $3.50 to/from other countries.

LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the 
popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate 
thing to do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of 
what we said in the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now, 
the last courtesy of a QSO is an upload to LOTW.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Wes Stewart]

Agreed.

On 7/25/2016 11:49 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM, stan levandowski wrote:
On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro." 


That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a confirmation 
from you to spend money with the postal system. When we were kids, it cost a 
penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost of printing a card, it 
costs someone who wants your card more than $1 round trip (.49 each way) in 
the US, more than $2 between US and Canada, average $3.50 to/from other 
countries.


LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the 
popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate thing to 
do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of what we said in 
the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now, the last courtesy of a 
QSO is an upload to LOTW.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

[Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP]

I couldn't agree with Jim more!

I love LOTW and wish everyone would use it.

It's not just the cost of postage for the cards themselves. I am trying 
to increase my DXCC total and submitting confirmations by LOTW is so 
much easier than getting cards checked by the /one/ guy in the country 
who can do it, or mailing them to the ARRL in the USA and hoping that 
our troubled postal service will get them there and back.


73,
Vic, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 25 Jul 2016 21:49, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,7/25/2016 11:34 AM, stan levandowski wrote:

On my QRZ page it says "No LoTW, no eQSL and no Buro."


That may be your preference, but it causes everyone who wants a
confirmation from you to spend money with the postal system. When we
were kids, it cost a penny or two to send a QSL. Now, including the cost
of printing a card, it costs someone who wants your card more than $1
round trip (.49 each way) in the US, more than $2 between US and Canada,
average $3.50 to/from other countries.

LOTW and eQSL are FREE and easy to use if you're using almost any of the
popular logging software. Putting our logs on LOTW is the considerate
thing to do. It's the RIGHT thing to do. It's the modern equivalent of
what we said in the '50s -- "the last courtesy of a QSO is a QSL." Now,
the last courtesy of a QSO is an upload to LOTW.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] QSLS from VP8STI and VP8SGI

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Probably because this DXpedition used Elecraft K3s and KPA500s.

In general, please do not criticize postings of others on the list. That is 
outside of our list guidelines. I'll jump in when appropriate.


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On 2/22/2016 10:49 AM, Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA) wrote:

Nice for u, but why did u post it on Elecraft site?
OZ4UN


On 22 Feb 2016, at 16:56, Paul VanOveren  wrote:

My contacts with S Sandwich and S. Georgia in ARRL LOTW this morning...did
not think this was going to happen til the Fall, but they are there. # 343
and 344 for me...

NF8J



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Re: [Elecraft] QSLS from VP8STI and VP8SGI

[PKA]

Nice for u, but why did u post it on Elecraft site?
OZ4UN

> On 22 Feb 2016, at 16:56, Paul VanOveren  wrote:
> 
> My contacts with S Sandwich and S. Georgia in ARRL LOTW this morning...did
> not think this was going to happen til the Fall, but they are there. # 343
> and 344 for me...
> 
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