RE: Australian power cable requirements.
Cameron, I had a similar situation some time ago with an internal cable and it had to do with the insulation thickness. The SJT cord was only rated 300V, and the insulation thickness did not meet the European standard. We changed to a 600V cord, which was accepted. Ray Russell r...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: Cameron O'phee [mailto:O'p...@ali.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 8:23 PM To: 'EMC - PSTC Forum' Subject: Australian power cable requirements. Hi All, I have a situation where the test house I normally use for safety will accept SJT cordage for an internal power cable but a different test house will not. The power cable conducts 240v from one power supply to another, with both supplies internal to the machine. The second test house insists that the cordage must be H05VVF. Consequentely, I would like to know the difference in requirements between the US SJT cordage and European H05VVF. Regards, Cameron O'Phee. EMC Safety Precompliance. Aristocrat Technologies Australia. Telephone : +61 2 9697 4420 Facsimile : +61 2 9663 1412 Mobile : 0418 464 016 -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE -- This email is intended only to be read or used by the addressee. The information contained in this e-mail message may be confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, distribution, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorised and prohibited. Confidentiality attached to this communication is not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify us by return e-mail or telephone Aristocrat Technologies Australia Pty Limited on +61 2 9413 6300. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: UL listing for foreign manufacturers
Chris, UL has offices all over the world. In Europe they now own DEMKO, so if you are close to Denmark that may help. It would be good to check with UL to find out where the closest follow up office is located. They charge for their time to travel to your location. We have a manufacturer in the Philippines. The quarterly inspection is at least $750. That's a big chunk of money to add to one product. Now they also have annual fees for each location. You can find the UL offices at their website wwwul.com Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:chris.maxw...@gnnettest.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:46 PM To: 'EMC-PSTC Internet Forum' Subject: UL listing for foreign manufacturers Hi all, Quick question. We have a sister company interested in UL listing a product. Their manufacturing facility is in Europe. How are quarterly audits handled for companies outside of the US? Will they need to pay for UL personnel to fly to their plant for audits? Does UL have agents in certain countries that can perform the audits for them? Can they have a European agency certify their product to UL standards and perform the audits? Anybody out there been through this? Chris Maxwell Design Engineer NetTest 6 Rhoads Drive, Building 4 Utica,NY 13502 email: chris.maxw...@gnnettest.com phone: 315-266-5128 fax: 315-797-8024 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Coniferous Wood in Packaging
I'm sure that many of you, as well as myself, under the label of Regulatory Compliance, receive many issues outside of Safety/EMC. Usually if it has an acronym, involves a foreign country, falls under the heading of a regulatory requirement, or sales/marketing don't know who can handle it, it lands on my desk. Here is one of those issues. We discussed it some time ago as it applies to China, but it looks like Europe may take some action, and I thought some of you may find this useful. Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com NEW PUBLICATION NOTICE New publications this week: ** RESTRICTIONS ON ENTRY OF NON-MANUFACTURED CONIFEROUS WOOD MAY BE ADOPTED (Business Alert - EU, Issue 20,2000) http://www.tdctrade.com/alert/eu0020.htm The EU has proposed to introduce emergency measures on non-manufactured coniferous wood packing originated in China, Canada, Japan and the US to prevent the spread of pine wood nematode, with effect likely from 1 January 2001. ** We shall e-mail you an update on our newly released publications every week. Should you wish to stop receiving this update, please click here to unsubscribe. (http://tpwebapp.tdctrade.com/dm/us.asp?email=swche...@gasthk.com.hktype=re search) Hong Kong Trade Development Council 4.10.2000 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Overcurrent Protection: One or Both Sides?
Hi John, I agree there are many different mains wiring configurations, I was merely pointing out the case where I believe a 2 pole circuit breaker is required. How do you handle 230V equipment marketed worldwide, that may encounter any number of these configurations? Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: Wagner, John P (John) [mailto:johnwag...@avaya.com] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:28 AM To: 'brian_kunde'; emc-pstc; 'Russell, Ray' Subject: RE: Overcurrent Protection: One or Both Sides? I take some exception to the response below. Single phase connections between phases either on a delta or wye system do not have a neutral connection. There are two grounded delta systems -- corner ground where one phase is grounded, or center tapped ground on one of the phases (commonly called high leg). There are also variations of the grounding scheme to allow for impedance grounded systems where appropriate. A standard two pole breaker os not designed, nor can it be used to interrupt neutral. For that, a special shunt trip braker is needed. John P. Wagner AVAYA Communication 11900 N. Pecos St, Room 2F58 Denver CO 80234 email: johnwag...@avaya.com phone: 303 538-4241 fax: 303 538-5211 -- From: Russell, Ray[SMTP:ray_russ...@gastmfg.com] Reply To: Russell, Ray Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 5:15 AM To: 'brian_kunde'; emc-pstc Subject: RE: Overcurrent Protection: One or Both Sides? Hi Brian, I see most of the return postings have focused on the UK, which has a terminated neutral system. There are several installations especially in the US, where the power could be derived from a delta, or unterminated neutral system. I believe in this case, overcurrent protection is required on both lines. In addition, the 2 pole circuit breaker method provides a suitable 2 pole disconnect. Good Luck, Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: brian_kunde [mailto:brian_ku...@leco.com] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:32 PM To: emc-pstc Subject: Overcurrent Protection: One or Both Sides? The issue of designing in Overcurrent Protection on one side or both sides of the AC mains keeps coming up. We deal in Laboratory Equipment so the EN 61010-1 is the standard we use. I'm not sure what EN60950 would say on the subject. The only area I have found that deals with this question is a NOTE in section 9.6 of EN61010-1 which says, Overcurrent protection devices (e.g. fuses) should preferably be fitted in all supply conductors. This seems GRAY to me and I get beat up on it all the time. I feel that overcurrent protection should be on all current carrying conductors. With a 230V~ product you never know where in the world the product will be shipped, if the AC Main has a grounded neutral, or if the receptacle is polarized. So, I feel you never know for sure which line or if both lines will be HOT in reference to Earth ground. If my thinking is correct, shouldn't ALL 230V~ products have overcurrent protection on both sides of the line? I would think so, but I see products everyday that only have ONE side of the line fused. My superiors feel that if others can get away with it, why can't we. Why add the extra cost of double pole breakers or double fuse holders if it is not necessary? Am I being too cautious or do I have a point? Thank you for your support and advice. Brian Kunde LECO Corp. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad
RE: Overcurrent Protection: One or Both Sides?
Hi Brian, I see most of the return postings have focused on the UK, which has a terminated neutral system. There are several installations especially in the US, where the power could be derived from a delta, or unterminated neutral system. I believe in this case, overcurrent protection is required on both lines. In addition, the 2 pole circuit breaker method provides a suitable 2 pole disconnect. Good Luck, Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: brian_kunde [mailto:brian_ku...@leco.com] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:32 PM To: emc-pstc Subject: Overcurrent Protection: One or Both Sides? The issue of designing in Overcurrent Protection on one side or both sides of the AC mains keeps coming up. We deal in Laboratory Equipment so the EN 61010-1 is the standard we use. I'm not sure what EN60950 would say on the subject. The only area I have found that deals with this question is a NOTE in section 9.6 of EN61010-1 which says, Overcurrent protection devices (e.g. fuses) should preferably be fitted in all supply conductors. This seems GRAY to me and I get beat up on it all the time. I feel that overcurrent protection should be on all current carrying conductors. With a 230V~ product you never know where in the world the product will be shipped, if the AC Main has a grounded neutral, or if the receptacle is polarized. So, I feel you never know for sure which line or if both lines will be HOT in reference to Earth ground. If my thinking is correct, shouldn't ALL 230V~ products have overcurrent protection on both sides of the line? I would think so, but I see products everyday that only have ONE side of the line fused. My superiors feel that if others can get away with it, why can't we. Why add the extra cost of double pole breakers or double fuse holders if it is not necessary? Am I being too cautious or do I have a point? Thank you for your support and advice. Brian Kunde LECO Corp. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: product cert question
Hello Fabian, The NRTL we deal with uses a scheme called a split inspection. We do the submittal, and they will inspect at our suppliers facility. It's a little tricky, but it does work. However, I would be concerned about the possibility that the supplier does not have an NRTL listing, and may not meet the product standard. I have suffered many delays due to a component that does not have an approval, and is not discovered until the end of a product cycle. This scenario has either caused redesign, or additional testing at our costs. Good Luck, Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com mailto:ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: Spadaccini, Fabian [mailto:fspadacc...@tainst.com] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 11:47 AM To: 'EMC-PSTC' Subject: product cert question Hello, Listmembers. We have a potential supplier of an OEM equipment that is not NRTL listed. They suggested we have it listed (i. e. pay for the testing ourselves) as part of our system. I am not aware of any case histories of this nature. Has anyone had this experience? Can an NRTL issue a listing for one company (buyer of product), yet audit another (the manufacturer)? I am skeptical of this suggestion. Regards, Fabian Spadaccini TA Instruments-Waters LLC (p) 302-427-4189 (f) 302-427-4081 fspadacc...@tainst.com www.tainst.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Japan
Greetings, I understand that according to Japan's Electrical Appliance and Material Control Law there are 2 classes of products, A or B. A type are considered more risky appliances, and require a mandatory approval for the T mark. B items are considered less risky, and do not require the marking. What we have run into is that a regular air compressor is considered a B type appliance, where as if we put an electrical control box on it to control the inflation of a consumer product, then I'm being told by one source it has to be a type A. Is there a clear list or definition of these categories? I was searching the Net for information on Dentori, but have not found any sites. Do you know of any good sites on Dentori? I've already spoke with UL, and they quoted a price to do determine the category, but I think this information should be available somewhere. Thanks for your assistance, Ray Russell Regulatory Compliance Engineer --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: UL1950/UL2601 Thermals
Hi Dan, We use UL 1450 Motor Operated Air Compressors, and here is the definition of constant temperatures: 46.1.11 With reference to those tests that are to be continued until constant temperatures are attained, thermal equilibrium is considered to exist when three successive readings taken at intervals of 10 percent of the previously elapsed duration of the test, but not less than 5-minute intervals, indicate no change. Ray -Original Message- From: Joshua Wiseman [mailto:wiseman...@printronix.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 2:39 PM To: 'Dan Mitchell'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: UL1950/UL2601 Thermals Regarding UL1950, IEC950, etc. I can't find proof either. Although I have been told by several agencies the same thing 1 degree C over 15 minutes. I too am curious to see this in writing. Josh -Original Message- From: Dan Mitchell [ mailto:dan_mitch...@condordc.com mailto:dan_mitch...@condordc.com ] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:32 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: UL1950/UL2601 Thermals In UL2601 Clause 42.3.3) Duty Cycle - for Equipment for Continuous operation it lists 2 ways to conclude the test a) temperature of the windings stabilize and do not increase by more than 2 deg. C in 1 hr, or b) 2.5 hr, which ever is shorter. UL1950 only states that; for continuous operation, until steady conditions are established. I haven't been able to establish what is meant by Steady Conditions. I was told once by a rep. of a large safety company that it meant no more than a 1 deg. C rise in 15 minute period. However, since I can't find this written in the standard, I am a bit skeptical. If anybody has a good definition of Steady Conditions and can point it out to me in UL1950 or in the PAGs, I would appreciate it. Daniel W. Mitchell Product Safety Engineer Condor DC Power Supplies, Inc. P: (805) 486-4565 x323 F: (805) 483-4307 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Temperature Meters
Hi Joe, I've been using the Fluke Hydra Data Bucket for a couple of years, and really like it. It is a little pricey but I think its worth it. It has 20 channels, and you can also configure each channel for volts or ohms. We have added a current to voltage probe, so we can record the current too. It has an alarm function that will trigger internally to scan, or an external relay that we hooked to an audible alarm. Good Luck, Ray -Original Message- From: Joe Finlayson [mailto:jfinlay...@telica.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 1:26 PM To: 'EMC PSTC' Subject: Temperature Meters Hello Group, I'm in the market for a multi-channel (12-15+, the more the better) temperature meter and would appreciate some leads. I found a model MTT-40 on the EDD web site that seems to fit my needs but would like to shop around to see what's out there. Any input regarding features with pro's and cons would be greatly appreciated. Could someone also explain the differences between the options of glass braid and teflon thermocouple wire. The only difference shown on the web site was the max temperature supported. Thx, Joe * ... Joe Finlayson Manager, Compliance Engineering Telica, Inc. 734 Forest Street, Bldg. G, Suite 100 Marlboro, MA 01752 Tel:(508) 480-0909 x212 Fax:(508) 480-0922 Email: jfinlay...@telica.com Web:www.telica.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
EMC - Declaration of Incorporation?
Greetings, We sell an air compressor with a DC motor. This motor requires a capacitor across the DC supply lines to meet the EMC requirements. Of course management does not want to supply the capacitor, they want to describe it in the documentation, and add a note on the Declaration of Conformity that a capacitor is required. Is this acceptable for European customers? In that scenario, I would like to issue a Declaration of Incorporation, but after reviewing the directives, I can only find a reference to the Declaration of Incorporation in the Machinery Directive. Can this be used for the other directives? Thank you once again for your assistance, Ray Russell Regulatory Compliance Engineer --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: China Packaging/Crating Requirements
Greetings Martin, It seems that there is a problem in the US and China with using Conifer (pine) type of pallets. Here is a URL that goes into a little more detail Ray http://www.skralaw.com/Articles/china.htm -Original Message- From: marti...@pebio.com [mailto:marti...@pebio.com] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:20 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: China Packaging/Crating Requirements Is anyone aware of any requirements in China on wood packaging/ crating materials or special wood treatments required for crates or pallets? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Compressed Air. Pneumatics, Safety requirements
Greetings Israel, A standard that we use is EN 1012-1 Compressors and Vacuum Pumps - Safety Requirements. Depending on the size of the equipment, the Pressure Directive or Pressure Equipment Directive may also apply. Regards, Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: Israel Yeshurun [mailto:israel_yeshu...@stcl.scitex.com] Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 2:25 AM To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: FW: Compressed Air. Pneumatics, Safety requirements -Original Message- From: Israel Yeshurun Subject: Compressed Air. Pneumatics, Safety requirements Dear Group Members, I would appreciate comments to the following: General: In some equipment, Compressed Air is used to energize mechanical parts (in addition to electrical power used in the equipment) safety Interlocking of those mechanical parts, can be performed by draining of the pressured air or by equalizing air pressure on both sides of the operating pistons, or by ?? The compressed air can be supplied from outside of the machine or be produced inside the machine by intended internal air compressor.This may rise the following questions: 1) For Low Voltage Directive Equipment, utilizing compressed air, are there any specific Safety requirements? I looked in UL1950, EN60950 but could not find such. 2) Regarding Machinery Directive products: Are there specific requirements? intended standards ? Any response will be appreciated, Regards, Israel Yeshurun, Compliance Engineer. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Manuals
Greetings, In this day and age of trying to cover your butt, from liability (especially in the USA), I have found it interesting that the information in some User manuals are going to the extreme to warn the consumer, while other similar products have very few warnings. In addition, our European partner is balking at the warnings we now have. They state that since the instructions require that installation or service should only be a qualified personnel then this person should know some of the obvious dangers, such as unplugging the device before servicing. Now assuming that a product is approved to US and European standards, can someone recommend a guide that would help to define additional manual requirements for US and Europe? Thank you, Ray Russell Regulatory Compliance Engineer - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: US Circuit breaker requirements
Hi Paul, I could not put my finger on the paragraph that spells it out in the NEC, (380-4 has the 6 1/2 foot requirement) but I just installed a switch myself and the local inspector required it to be a min of 18 off of the ground. Ray ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: Paul Smith [mailto:phsm...@excite.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:56 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: US Circuit breaker requirements Could somebody dispel an 'urban myth' for me. UL 891 states that circuit breakers in Dead Front Switchboards shall be placed no higher than 6 1/2 foot (2 metres) from the base of the rack they are installed in. Thats fine and I can find the references fine in the UL specification. But, I am told that they can be placed no lower than 6 inches (or possibly even 18 inches) above the base of the rack they are installed in. This is the 'myth' I need some information on. I've read UL 891 but haven't found any reference to this matter in it (or if I did my brain was switched off at that point). What is the requirement for the minimum mounting height for circuit breakers in Dead Front Switchboards? Is it covered by UL891, or is it hiding in the NEC regulations? Any ideas? Paul Excite -- Control Yourself. This E-mail brought to you by Excite's free E-mail service. Get your own E-mail address at http://www.excite.co.uk - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: EN60335 verses EN61010-1
Hi Brian, As Luis points out, the 2 standards are directed at different applications. However, I believe most of the tests required are the same. But I'm not sure that the manufacturer of the pump would apply the same tests that I would seek to apply. So I would look at EN61010-1 and see what test apply. I believe a locked rotor, dielectric and leakage current would apply. Then I would ask the manufacturer for evidence that these tests were performed. (The locked rotor requirements could also be met if the the manufacturer claims that the unit is impedance protected). Good Luck, Ray ray_russ...@gastmfg.com mailto:ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: Luiz Claudio [mailto:arauj...@netville.com.br] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 11:37 AM To: Brian At Work Cc: IEEE Group Subject: Re: EN60335 verses EN61010-1 Brian, My understanding is that EN60331-1 covers only appliances (equipment) that are destinated to be used in a household environment. For example, EN60335-2-24 has specific requirements for household refrigerators, but does not have special requirements for laboratory refrigerators (where you may have flammable substances nearby or inside the product). Therefore, by analogy, the fact that your pump has been tested and approved to EN60335 does not mean that it is totally safe to be used in a laboratory equipment. If I were you, I would look closely to EN61010-1 or other standards to identify other requirements that may not be within the scope of EN60335-1. Regards, Luiz Brian At Work wrote: Our company manufacturers laboratory equipment so we perform safety tests and evaluation based on EN61010-1 (Safety of Laboratory equipment). My understanding is that we can use components, such as Power Supplies, in our products that has been tested to EN60950 (Safety of IT Equipment) without additional safety evaluation. Our engineering department wants to use a small water circulation pump (aquarium pump) in one of our products. This pump has the CE mark. The DOC says it was evaluated to EN60335 (Safety of Household electrical appliances). If we use this pump in accordance to the manufacturer's specifications can we use it in a laboratory instrument without additional evaluation or testing of the pump? Regards,Brian KundeGroup LeaderCompliance Testing Center LECO Corporation3000 Lakeview Ave.St. Joseph, MI 49085(616) 982-5423 phone(616) 982-8964 fax brian_ku...@leco.com mailto:brian_ku...@leco.com bkundew...@qtm.net mailto:bkundew...@qtm.net - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Rockwell Modem, need info.?
Hi George, I my experience, I have used the UL Yellow books to verify UL recognition and to determine which standards it is recognized to. If I still have trouble, I have called UL direct, and they have always been helpful. Ray rayruss...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: sparaci...@andovercontrols.com [mailto:sparaci...@andovercontrols.com] Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 10:43 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Rockwell Modem, need info.? Good Day Everyone, I'm having a heck of a time getting compliance information from Rockwell regarding one of their Socket Modems (SMV144AC series). We incorporratte this modem onto our motherboard. Simply, I need to know if the Rockwell modem that we use in our product has been recognized to either UL 1459 or UL 1950. I would like to treat the modem as a recognized component in my system. No compliance info on their literature, so I contacted the local Rockwell office in Littleton, Ma. and they referred me back to our distributor who has not been able to get a response back from Rockwell... Also, I contacted Rockwell headquarters in Newport Beach, CA ... they referred me to their local office in Littleton. Are we sensing a pattern here ?? If anyone has the name contact info of someone at Rockwell that can help, please forward to me. Thanks for any help you can give me have a Great Weekend. George - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Flammable Liquids and Vapors
Hi Brian, Sec 13 in EN 601010 doesn't offer much guidance on which standard to go to. A search at Global found IEC 60079-1 ELECTRICAL APPARATUS FOR EXPLOSIVE GAS ATMOSPHERES PART 1: CONSTRUCTION AND VERIFICATION TEST OF FLAMEPROOF ENCLOSURES OF ELECTRICAL APPARATUS but I have not worked with that standard. Good Luck, Ray Russell gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: Brian At Work [mailto:bkundew...@qtm.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 11:49 AM To: IEEE Group Subject: Flamible Liquids and Vapors Hello Group, Our company is working on a small laboratory device, about the size of a computer tower, that contains, in addition to electronic components, about 1 gallon (3.8 liter) of a solvent chemical. The solvent can be one or a combination of several different chemicals such as acetone, methanol, ethanol, etc.. These chemicals and/or vapors are flammable and could possibly cause a fire or explosion under the right conditions. Protection against the ignition or explosion of a flammable liquid is not directly covered in the EN61010 safety standard (or not as I have found). Is there another standard that addresses these requirements more specifically? Does anyone with experience in this area have some advice or a summary of requirements they could give me? Thank you for your time, Brian Kunde - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Incident Reporting
Hi Richard, I recommend you check out the Consumer Product Safety Commission at http://www.cpsc.gov/ BTW Paul Hill's book is a great resource. Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: WOODS, RICHARD [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:54 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: Safety Incident Reporting My company is reviewing our plans for handling safety incidents and product recalls. I would appreciate it if you could point me to documents that contain such plans or if you could forward any plans that you may have. The one plan that I do have is from Managing Product Safety Activities by Paul Hill. Thanks in advance. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: IEC 417 No 5017 Labels
This bounced yesterday, so I am resending it. Ray -Original Message- From: Russell, Ray Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 8:04 AM To: 'distefa...@panametrics.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: cleme...@panametrics.com Subject: RE: IEC 417 No 5017 Labels We have purchased them from Hazard Communication Systems, Milford PA. PH 800-748-0241 Website www.hazcomsys.com Charles Pike was a sales Manager that was real helpful. Good Luck, Ray ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: distefa...@panametrics.com [mailto:distefa...@panametrics.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 4:18 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: cleme...@panametrics.com Subject: IEC 417 No 5017 Labels Does anyone know a source for the earth ground label/decal specified by IEC 417 No. 5017. It would be especially appreciated if said vendor/distributor was local to Central Massachusetts or at least New England. Thank you in advance! R.A. Di Stefano - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Country of origin
Greetings, I always understood that it was Customs that required the statement as to the country of origin. I believe it has to do with tariffs. I also believe that for the US the NAFTA agreement spells out if it can say made or assembled in by how much of the material is of that countries origin. Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: kim.boll.jen...@i-data.com [mailto:kim.boll.jen...@i-data.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 3:39 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Country of origin Dear groupe, This question is not a safety or EMC issue but I think that some of you have been involved in something like this before. On the label with compliance information we normally also add something like : Country of origin or Made in this is required by some of the EU directives and others (normally just the country of the main company who have the legal responsibility. ) But my questions are; -what is the rules for this information, is it just country of the company or is it the country where it is assembled, and what if it is partly made in different countries ? -which authoryties requires this informations other than EU directives (and FCC part 68) Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
US/ HAR line Cord
Greetings, I know that at one time, UL had accepted a HAR type cordset. Now, I have been told by some line cord vendors that UL does not approve any HAR type cord any longer. Belden has a jumper cord with C13 and C14 connectors that has both US and EU approvals, but no other configurations are available. Does anyone know why UL stepped back away from accepting EU cords? Thank you, Ray Russell Regulatory Compliance Engineer ray_russ...@gastmfg.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Capacitors Dry or Wet?
Happy Holidays, I'm working on a project that will ship to Japan and requires a motor starting capacitor. Would any one know if there are requirements that dictate whether a dry or wet type cap are required for Japan? How about the rest of the world? Thank you for your assistance, Ray Russell Regulatory Compliance Engineer - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
A label for a Tipping Hazard
Happy Holidays, We're working on a rather large project that has pull out drawers for servicing some of the sub assemblies. The drawers are heavy, but low enough that the unit only tips slightly when all drawers are open. As the drawer pulls out it catches on the floor and stops it self from over balancing. We would still like to warn the service personnel, and are looking for a symbol for tipping. I've seen some on large shipping cartons, but can not find an example now when I need it. I could not find anything in ISO 3864 that represents this hazard. If you know of a standard or where there might be a symbol on the net, could you please let me know? Thank you for your assistance, Ray Russell Regulatory Compliance Engineer rayruss...@gastmfg.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Language labeling requirements
Greetings Joe, I think that you need to look at the consumer of your equipment. If the test equipment is to be used by an average person, then I believe multiple languages are required. If you sell a specialized piece of test equipment, then I believe the standard offers a different solution. Under Amendment 2, (EN61010-1:1993/A2) it defines the- 3.5.9 Operator: Person operating equipment for its intended purpose. Note - The Operator should have received training appropriate for this purpose. and adds 3.5.10 Responsible body: Individual or group responsible for the use and maintenance of equipment, and for ensuring that the Operators are adequately trained. I believe that through the purchase agreement, that the Responsible body could become the company that bought the equipment, and then they are responsible for the training of the individual that operates it. Of course the appropriate international symbols are always required on any warning labels. I also understand that in most high tech environments English is a common language, so it would be acceptable. I believe it boils down to your customer requirements. Regards, Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: MartinJP [mailto:marti...@pebio.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 2:21 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Language labeling requirements As a manufacturer of laboratory equipment that is designed to meet EN 61010-1 per the LVD, what is our obligation/requirement for providing instrument labeling and support documentation in the languages of the many countries that we ship our products. All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Poisonous and Flammable Gases
Greetings Bob, I do not see much reference to this situation under EN 61010. I believe that at some point in time, the customer has to take some responsibility for the process that they use. But the manufacture of the piece of Test equipment still has some duty to warn of any foreseen hazards. For example, if the equipment uses gases that could be harmful, then there should be warning labels and information to user. But if the customer puts something into the equipment that could be a hazard, then they have to take the responsibility for its use and containment. I think a warning such as - Warning - If harmful substances are put into this equipment, there may be some special ventilation and waste collection requirements. You must consult with and follow all of the local, state and governmental guidelines when using hazardous materials. Good luck, Ray ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -Original Message- From: bob_vanor...@leco.com [mailto:bob_vanor...@leco.com] Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 6:17 PM To: emc-pstc Subject: Poisonous and Flammable Gases All, Could anyone please advise me on the CE requirements for product labeling and manual content regarding the use of poisonous and flammable gases by analytical instrumentation. We manufacture a piece of equipment that is used in a laboratory and analyzes a wide range of samples and may emit poisonous or flammable gases. This end product needs to comply with EN 61010. Thank you for any help you can offer, Bob VanOrman EMC Technician bob_vanor...@leco.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Energized Winding Tester
Greetings, I recall a recent message looking for a replacement for an Energized Winding Tester: AVO Biddle, Model 577500. If someone found some information, would you please pass it on to me? Thank you, Ray Russell Regulatory Compliance Engineer ray_russ...@gastmfg.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: New Argentina Product Requirements
Dear Richard, I understand that UL is working on an MOU with Argentina. With that in mind, you might want to contact the Technical Assistance to Exporters office at your UL location. Good Luck, Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Indicator color standard
Dear Francis, I have used IEC 73 (BS EN 60073) Specification for coding of indicating devices and actuators by colours and supplementary means. BS EN 60204 Safety of machinery- Electrical equipment of machines also has a section on indicating lights. Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -- From: Francis L. Fiedler[SMTP:ffied...@granville.com] Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 1:58 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Indicator color standard Greetings, Is any one familiar with a requirement/s that specify or limits the color of light (LEDs) indicators used on test or industrial type equipment per the function? Does ISO 3864 include this information? - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: EN60950
Greetings, I have been using a company called Simcom for a couple of years now. They are usually the least expensive and have been helpful in answering questions about the specific standard before I pay big bucks, and find out is a 3 page addendum! Phone (770) 730-9980 FAX(770) 730-9976 Global Engineering Documents also has a great selection. Phone 1 800 854 7179 FAX (303) 397 2740 Web http://global.ihs.com/ Regards, Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -- From: Dan Mitchell[SMTP:dmitch...@eoscorp.com] Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 5:22 PM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: EN60950 Members, I need to find a source to buy the EN60950 Standard. Daniel W. Mitchell Product Safety EOS Corp. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Re[2]: Are all these agencies really necessary?
Greetings, A few years ago at a NEMKO seminar I attended, there was a presentation on the key mark. Because it looked like a key and would open doors to all markets. I believe this was a proposal from the IEC. Anyone hear any recent developments on this possibility? I imagine with the CE marking, that the push for something like the key mark was put aside in the EU. Thanks, Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -- From: ron_pick...@hypercom.com[SMTP:ron_pick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 5:27 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; dmitch...@eoscorp.com Subject: Re[2]: Are all these agencies really necessary? Dan et al, Yes, OM, WM, or any other single mark would be much preferred over the current system. But, let's keep things in perspective. Years back (well, maybe not that far back), it seemed that every counrty had its own unique approval scheme, which included unique standards, requirements and marks based on each country's bureaucratic policies. Now, at least, harmonizing of standards and requirements are generally in place, which is a big step forward from what was. With this being said, universal acceptance of a single globally accepted approval scheme is still years away and will be difficult to achieve due to the human bureaucratic parts of the equation (or until there's a single world government, but we won't go there). I think the USA - EU MRA is a step in the right direction to accomplish this, but I feel that the OM (one mark) idea is still far beyond the MRA once the MRA completes. Wishing a thing to come true may be considered to be a goal. Working to make that wish happen correctly is a means to that goal. Just some of my humble thoughts on the subject. And, of course, comments are invited. Best regards, Ron Pickard ron_pick...@hypercom.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: RE: Are all these agencies really necessary? Author: Dan Mitchell dmitch...@eoscorp.com at INTERNET List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:9/10/98 10:52 AM The OM was just an example for purposes of illustration. A better name for such a hypothetical beast would be World Mark (WM). If you read the earlier thread, you would have read that all the agencies are getting out of hand and that it would be nice to do testing once, then apply for a OM? or WM? and be allowed to sell your product any place in the world Daniel W. Mitchell Product Safety EOS Corp. -- From: Grasso, Charles (Chaz)[SMTP:gra...@louisville.stortek.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 10:25 AM To: Dan Mitchell; 'Peter E. Perkins' Cc: PSNetwork Subject: RE: Are all these agencies really necessary? Would someone please explain the OM (Overall Mark)? Thank you Charles Grasso (Captain Hook) EMC Engineer StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 MS 4262 gra...@louisville.stortek.com Tel:(303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 -- From: Peter E. Perkins[SMTP:peperk...@compuserve.com] Reply To: Peter E. Perkins Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 11:57 PM To: Dan Mitchell Cc: PSNetwork Subject: Are all these agencies really necessary? PSNet Dan, The OM (Overall Mark) is a good idea that continues to be promoted by industry, especially multinational businesses. Oh that they had control to proscribe it... Remember that the underlying basis for all of this is a political issue in that nations want to control commerce in some manner - and many of the old-time controls have been taken away by treaty (the GATT Treaty). We work in an arena where the high level politicians tug and pull to get their way. We see it in the expansion of the need to have a certification or mark on the products. Developing nations have figured out that they can easily play this game - just adapt the international standards - ISO/IEC/CISPR, etc. - but demand a local mark of approval. The country supports a team of technical and bureauocratic personel thru the tax that you pay to get their bumper sticker. Americans, especially, like free enterprise = no restraints. Big business promoted the use of a manufacturer's based mark for Europe (the CE marking), but were not too happy that there is personal criminal penalty attached to signing the MDoC and applying the mark.Much of the rest of the world isn't ready for the whole potato all at once either. Note the problems that the Japanese and the Koreans are having trying to reform their old-boy networks to open their markets and offer opportunity for growth there... I predict that it will get worse before it gets better... So, look at it as job security, at least you're working (which is better than the alternative)... - - - - - Peter E Perkins Principal Product Safety Consultant
RE: Agency approvals on components in CE
Greetings, From the example below, I would not be as concerned with who tested it, but which standard it was tested to. I think that we must remember that standards organizations have made progress toward harmonization, but the heart of the problem is that US standards and EU standards are not interchangeable. And under the LVD, EU Harmonized standards must be used where available. Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -- From: POWELL, DOUG[SMTP:do...@ftc2.aei.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 3:37 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Agency approvals on components in CE A little clarification by way of example, Traditionally if we build a power conversion product for North America, we provide a UL/CSA approved circuit breaker as a part of the design. However if we subsequently apply for certificates from an agency in Europe they will insist upon a European approved circuit breaker. Historically we have had no success in finding circuit breakers with multiple approvals suitable for both continents. If the component has approval form an accredited test lab we feel that it is not unsafe to use. What is the risk of self-declaring compliance to the LVD using only the UL/CSA approved part? This would be a major cost savings. A second example would be the use of an EMI filter which is already approved by one agency (not European). I heard that this question was posed to the European Commission this year (1998) and their response was to the effect that the choice of components is up to the manufacturer. I am unable to recall which email or periodical made this statement. Or was it something I read in the Official Journal. I tried browsing the European Commission's website and was unable to find any document to this effect. It is a difficult site to navigate. Doug Powell Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. Fort Collins, Colorado USA -- From: je...@ftc2.aei.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Agency approvals on components in CE mar List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 10:31AM It is my understanding that the European Commission has stated that a manufacturer has the freedom to determine the acceptability of components used in CE marked products. (Or words to that effect.) I would conclude that this would remove the need for using European agency approved components in safety critical locations. Any reputable agency approval, or appropriate evaluation by the manufacturer, would be acceptable. Does anyone know of where I can obtain this statement in writing? I'd like to have something to back this up. Also, I welcome comments on the conclusions I have drawn based on this alleged EC statement. Regards, Jeff Jenkins Senior Regulatory Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. Fort Collins, CO USA - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators).
RE: Requirements for Mexico
Greetings Nick, I have found some good information on Mexico through the US NAFTA website. The URL is: http://www.itaiep.doc.gov/nafta Look at document 9000 for an overview of Mexico's standard system. Ray ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -- From: Nick Williams[SMTP:n...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 5:27 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Requirements for Mexico Can anyone give me some basic information (or pointers to basic information) on the requirements for importing machinery into Mexico?. I'm interested both in the legal requirements which are supposed to apply and in the actual realities of the situation. Any help appreciated - and favours stored for future recall ;-) Nick. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators).
TABD
Greetings, The Trans Atlantic Business Dialog has put out a mid year report. It includes the status of: Mutual Recognition Agreement Regulatory Cooperation Conformity Assessment and Product Marking Metric Labeling You can review the report at: http://www.tabd.org/recom/scorecard.html Have a great weekend! Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com
RE: weatherproof mains connection
Greetings, We just put a product through UL to be tested for outdoor use. It was a fixed line cord, and they required a W/A marking on the line cord. The W/A refers to a water absorption characteristic. I'm not sure what Europe would require, but I assume that it would have to be HAR cable and not SJT. Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -- From: jeanmarie.vandenbul...@barco.com[SMTP:jeanmarie.vandenbul...@barco.com ] Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:09 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: weatherproof mains connection Does anybody know if IEC 320 / C13 - C14 mains connectors and appliance inlet/outlets are acceptable for mains connection of equipment for outdoor use? Do these parts exist in weatherproof version? If not, what type of connectors are considered acceptable for mains connection for outdoor use equipment? Also, is type SJT flexible cord acceptable for outdoor use? Jean-Marie Vandenbulcke Snr. Product Safety and Compliance Engr. Barco NV Noordlaan 5 B-8520 Kuurne Belgium Tel: + 32 56 36 83 31 Fax: + 32 56 36 83 55 E-mail: jeanmarie.vandenbul...@barco.com Web site: http://www.barco.com
AC Mains Termination
Greetings, We sell some larger motor driven units to Europe, and are evaluating them to EN 60204. I believe that Sec 5.1 specifies that if a line cord is not included then a terminal block has to be provided. Although my experience has seen several applications that have loose leads inside of the junction box. Also, many motor vendors are claiming compliance with the loose lead approach. My questions are: 1. Are there alternative acceptable practices? 2. If a line cord is supplied, are crimped on connectors acceptable? Thank you for your comments, Ray ray_russ...@gastmfg.com
RE: Low Voltage directive and IEC1010
Hi Gary, At my last employer, I asked the TUV representative in our area to come in and do a product review, and a standard review with me and other Engineers. You can all Rick Grumski in Livonia, MI (313) 261 8881 Also, I see UL has a seminar 6/18-19 in Northbrook IL. Call (847) 480 7500. Good Luck, Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com -- From: Gary Labadie[SMTP:glaba...@acromag.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 6:42 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Low Voltage directive and IEC1010 Does anyone have a suggestion on the quickest way to meet the Low Voltage directive and ramp quickly up on the IEC1010? Is going to the approval agency the best way the first time around or a seminar instead? I need to meet the requirements of the low voltage directive and one way is the IEC1010 route and versions thereof. Anybody have other suggestions? Best Regards, Gary Labadie Marketing Acromag, Inc. 30765 Wixom Rd.Ph: (248)624-1541 ext. 205 P.O. Box 437 Fax:(248)624-9234 Wixom, MI 48393Email: glaba...@acromag.com
Previous EMC-PSTC Topics
Greetings, This forum is a great resource and has helped me greatly. Thanks to all who have provided information on the recent Twist on connectors questions. There is a way to search on the past items discussed on the group. It is called Regulatory Compliance Information Center. The URL is http://www.rcic.com/default.htm. Check out the Virtual Conference Hall and do a search on EMC-PSTC. Thanks to Tom Bao and the others that keep this site going. Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com
ISO Standard for SI units (Metric Directive)
Greetings, Thanks to all who have provided information on the metric directive. As I was researching this issue, I went back to the FAQ by Bill Lyons. What a great resource. However, I was not able to find the standard that would be used to comply with the directives. Could someone please forward the standard number that spells out the metric units of measurements? BTW I sent an email to NIST (from the information supplied by this group) and here was Mr. McCracken's response: Mr. Russell, At this time no meeting is scheduled to discuss the EU metric-only directive. The EU technical staff has proposed a ten year delay of the directive. Until we know more on the subject a meeting is not warranted. We will continue to make information available. Jim McCracken Metric Program Thank you for your assistance, Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com
EMC Directive and Small DC motors
Greetings, We manufacturer a small line of vacuum pumps that use very small (1/16 hp) 12, 6 and 4 VDC motors. Just a DC motor and a pump. We have had some EMC testing performed to the EN 55014 and EN 55104 standards where there was some high conducted emissions that required a .1 uf capacitor across the positive and negative terminals. But I believe this is more of an issue of the power supply source, and lead lengths than the motor. These items are considered components because they need a power supply to operate. However, they could use battery power, but I assume that there would not be an emission problem in this mode. We now have another source for motors, and I have been asked to retest. I am very reluctant to spend thousands of dollars on testing, when I personally do not understand the benefit or risk. Of course the test house highly recommends additional testing. So I come seeking some advice or alternatives. Here are some of my thoughts: Since this is a component, could we just assign a declaration of incorporation? Are there any reasonable limits to what should be tested, as far as power/frequency/application in the directives? Is there a justifiable reason to test this product? Thank you for your consideration, any thoughts would be appreciated. Ray Russell ray_russ...@gastmfg.com
Pressure Directive
Dear PSTC group, A recent change in employers has brought a whole new series of questions. Could some one please provide me with some details on the pressure directive, and maybe some sources for information? Thanks for your input, Ray Russell Gast Corportaion ray_russ...@gast.com
