RE: LVD testing suite for ITE devices

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Stuart,
Sounds like your referring to a PCMCIA radio card that can be integrated
into a host device.  If so, you probably have an RTTE project that does also
include the LVD.  The test suite for this device would depend on the
frequency band.  If its 2.4 GHz equipment, then EN 300 328(Radio Spec), EN
300 826(EMC Spec) and EN60950(Safety Spec) would be the appropriate spec.
All EN's so your customer can self-declare the device.
 
Also, some say that EMF compliance may be required, although I have yet to
have a notified body require that of me.  The directive can be interpreted
to include this.  If you feel that it is required, there is no EN for it and
you will need to use a NB.
 
 



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-Original Message-
From: Stuart Lopata [mailto:stu...@timcoengr.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:35 PM
To: emc
Subject: LVD testing suite for ITE devices


Can anyone point me to specific tests and standards applicable for safety
testing for ITE devices?  Specifically, we are looking to meet the low
voltage directive for computers and computer  peripherals ( such as hardware
that plugs into the bus slots and wireless networking equipment that
connects to pcmia or ethernet ports).
 
Sincerely,
 
Stuart Lopata

RE: FCC rule interpretation (add'l info)

[Wismer, Sam]

Not sure if you got my last response.
 
Answer is no(IMO).  If the idea is to be able to take peak measurements
instead of average measurements to expedite the test, then I suggest you
take your peak measurements and compare them to average limits.  If the peak
measurement meets both the calculated peak limit(5000 uv/m) and the stated
average limit(500uv/m), then there is no need to make the average
measurement.  If, however, the peak measurement meets only the peak limit,
you are still obligated to take an average measurement and compare it to the
average limit.  The stated limit always takes precedence over any derived
limits.
 



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-Original Message-
From: Stuart Lopata [mailto:stu...@timcoengr.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:51 AM
To: emc
Subject: Fw: FCC rule interpretation (add'l info)


 
Does this imply that we can use 74 dBuV/m (at 3 meters) rather than the 54
dBuV/m limit 
if we took measurements employing peak detection?
 
I left that last part out in the previous question.

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RE: FCC rule interpretation

[Wismer, Sam]

Stuart,
You have meet the limits as defined in the rules.  You cannot arbitrarily
apply peak limits if average is what is called for.  You can, however, take
peak measurements and compare them your average limit(20dB more stringent
than peak).  If your peak measurement meets your average limit, then you do
not need to take an average measurement.  Manual scans can be completed
faster since average measurements are more tedious.
 
 



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-Original Message-
From: Stuart Lopata [mailto:stu...@timcoengr.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:45 AM
To: emc
Subject: FCC rule interpretation


Part 15.209 of the FCC Rules: Radiated emission limits, general requirements
state: " The emission limits shown in the above table are based on
measurements employing a CISPR quasi-peak detector except . above 1000
MHz."  The final sentence states that radiation limits above 1000 MHz are
based on measurements employing an average detector.
 
Does this imply that we can use 74 dBuV/m (at 3 meters) rather than the 54
dBuV/m limit?

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RE: Limitations on use and installation of Class A equipment in t he EU

[Wismer, Sam]

According to EN55022:1994, the Class A warning does no prohibit use in a
domestic(residential) environment, it simply states that if it causes
interference in that environment, the user may be required to take adequate
measures.  

Domestic environment is described as "..an environment where the use of
broadcast radio and television receivers may be expected within a distance
of 10m of the apparatus concerned."  Commonly referred to as residential.

Oh, before you guys come down on me about the consequences of using this
loop hole, I don't, just pointing out the facts.



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-Original Message-
From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:19 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Limitations on use and installation of Class A equipment in
t he EU



Dan, EN55022 has the same clause as CISPR 22 in that a class A device must
include a warning in the user manual. The exact wording is in the standard.
Such products are intended to be used in non-residential environments only.
By the way, there is no relationship between Class A or B and a transmitting
license. The RTTE directive changed the whole transmitter certification and
licensing structure in the EU. For example, short range devices no longer
require a "general permit" for operation. See the RTTE directive for the
details.

Richard Woods

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From:  Dan Teninty [SMTP:dteni...@dtec-associates.com]
Sent:  Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:08 AM
To:  PSTC IEEE-EMC
Subject:  Limitations on use and installation of Class A equipment
in the EU


Do any of my esteemed colleagues know what restrictions EN 55022
places on
Class A equipment? I was having a discussion today and the topic
came up. I
understand that a transmitting license is required in Germany?  Are
there
any other restrictions for Class A equipment?

Thanks in advance,

Daniel E. Teninty, P.E.
Managing Partner
DTEC Associates LLC
http://www.dtec-associates.com
Streamlining the Compliance Process
5406 S. Glendora Drive
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(509) 443-0215
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RE: Egypt Telecom

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Dick,
I recently completed a radio investigation for Egypt.  there is an
organization there called Egyptian Telecom that answered my radio questions.
not sure if they also handle Telephony stuff.  Name would seem to indicate
they do.  Fax Number I have is +(20)2-738-3260. 

I have another contact at the Ministry of Communications by the name of
Ismail Elghetany.  Hi email address is ighet...@mcit.gov.eg.







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-Original Message-
From: Richard Silvernail [mailto:rsilvern...@octavecomm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 7:31 AM
To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'
Subject: Egypt Telecom



Hello Group.

Does anyone have a fax number or other contact information for Egypt
Telecom?  Our product is ISDN equipment.

Thanks in advance,

Dick Silvernail
Octace Communications
rsilvern...@octavecomm.com





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RE: World-wide approvals radio transmitters

[Wismer, Sam]

Amund,


1. Europe - Contact a Notified Body 
2. US - FCC.  Consult an FCC/IC recognized test lab in the US.  Use the
following link to find a test lab.
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/index.html
3. Canada - Industry Canada.  Use same lab as for FCC.  Make sure they can
do both.
4. Japan - Telec.  You'll need some in-country representation.
http://www.telec.or.jp/eng/index_e.htm
5. Other places  I have found that most countries outside the US and
Europe, either do not have any formal type approval process for radios or
accept US or EU test reports as basis for type approval.  In fact, as soon
as we get FCC, IC and EU approvals, we can release almost 29 countries.  I
opnly have expedience with 2.4GHz spread spectrum equipment so you'll need
to consider that.  There are a handfull of countries that require special
handling, such as Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Singapore
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Website/IDAhome.nsf/Home?OpenForm, South Africa,
Israel http://www.info.gov.il/eng/ that must be taken care of individually.


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-Original Message-
From: Dick Grobner [mailto:dick.grob...@medgraph.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:43 PM
To: 'am...@westin.org'
Cc: IEEE EMC-PSTC E-Mail Forum (E-mail)
Subject: RE: World-wide approvals radio transmitters



I thought Japan - VCCI was for ITE equipment only? or am I wrong? I believe
that Japanese safety standards are JIS - #. Which number applies to radios
Tx/Rx I have no idea. hopefully someone else in the forum will know.
Good Luck.

-Original Message-
From: am...@westin.org [mailto:am...@westin.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:33 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: World-wide approvals radio transmitters



HI all !

I guess this question has been addressed during the last year, but I have
lost 
track 

Product: Radio transmitter/receiver (10-12GHZ)

We want access to the following markeds:
1. Europe (CE-marking, EMC,LVD,RTTE)
2. US (UL, FCC)
3. Canada (CSA)
4. Japan (VCCI)
5. Other places  (CB scheme)

Am I missing something regarding the above mentioned markeds and 
regulations ? 'Other places' could be anywhere, but CB might be good to have

anyway ?

Any suggestion of a web-site which covers the EMC and safety regulations in 
different countries ?

Thanks for feedback.

Best regards
Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway

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RE: RTTE Notification

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Richard, 
There could be several ways to go depending on if harmonized standards exist
for your device or not.  I will assume that at the time you had it tested
originally, they did not since you used Annex IV and not Annex III.
Somewhat relevant to this topic, we had used Annex IV on a radio device last
year(Harmonized standards did not exist), and this year with a new radio of
the very same type we were able to apply annex III(all of the standards were
harmonized recently.  Lucky me!).  Anyway, we have 2 of the same type
radios, one that carries a NB number and one that does not(You can imagine
the questions I get from our manufacturing folks).  The reason I bring this
up is, you could possibly convert to Annex III with the new model if the
standards that apply to it have been harmonized and draw up a DoC that
includes both models, if you feel no new testing is warranted.  If harmonize
standards still do not exist, then disregard all of the above and contact
your notified body.

Regarding your second question, yes I believe you need to Notify the
spectrum authorities of the new model and I have a story to tell on this
issue also.  Basically, we sell a radio to a customer of ours however they
wanted to give it there own model number.  I contacted my Notified Body and
for a small fee of course, they re-issued the statement of opinion including
the new variant and advised us(or the OEM) to notify all of the member
states of this new model.  They did nothing to the TCF which I found to be
interesting since that is the ultimate way to show compliance of a device.
I suppose the SoO(New Acronym for Statement of Opinion) is sufficient
enough.

Hope this helps.




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-Original Message-
From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:35 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RTTE Notification



A radio product subject to the RTTE Directive was assessed by a Notified
Body under Annex IV, was notified to the national spectrum authorities and
is currently being marketed. Design changes are being made to the product
that do not affect the spectrum parameters, but the model number will be
changed to distinguish the two products. Is it necessary to communicate the
new model number to the Notified Body and/or the spectrum authorities?

Richard Woods

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RE: Typing Shortcuts - the directive

[Wismer, Sam]

VVNJ Chris


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-Original Message-
From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:39 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Typing Shortcuts - the directive




I guess we better start with the directive. Sigh! Here goes ...

__

Having regard to the existence of the net acronyms and typing shortcuts,
and in particular, the emc-pstc DL thereof,

In cooperation with subscribers, clearly frequent visitors to chat rooms, 
moonlighting as safety and compliance personnel

Having some regard to the opinion of the professional, student and teenage
communities, and in particular, organisations of a nerdistic persuasion, 

Whereas it is necessary to adopt measures with the aim of progressively 
establishing the global market over a period expiring at the second coming
of Christ

Whereas the global market, comprises an area without internal frontiers in 
which free exchange of acronyms is ensured over the net and text-ready
mobile communications devices

Whereas member states are responsible for providing adequate translation
for communication by acronyms where message meanings may be degraded
by exposure to the unfamiliar and therefore pose a communication hazard

Whereas member states are also responsible for providing adequate 
protection for acrommunications receivers in the form of uninitiated
recipients; the immunity levels may vary between member states.

Whereas Global Council Directive 2001/EMC-PSTC/GC of June 14th
on the initial stage of the recognition of type-approval for the acronyms
used in public covers in particular, the confusion (emissions) caused
by uncertified acronyms when used in normal communication

Whereas it is still necessary to provide adequate translation for acronyms
ideally in methods precluding the use of other acronyms, for protection of 
message recipients against effects such as dyslexia on the parts of  the
sender and receiver or both

Whereas in some member states, mandatory provisions define in particular 
the permissible acronyms and length thereof, that may be used in any one
exchange and the character set must be agreed and harmonised

Whereas no member state shall authorise the use of the acronyms AFAIK
and CMIIW (see below) pursuant to a goal to preclude words starting with 
phonetically silent letters; excepting that such an acronym confuses a 
teenager, in which case its use is legal. 

Whereas member states shall encourage the use of special acronyms 
exclusive to their respective criminal fraternity to enable their ease of 
capture by security forces monitoring mother's day cards. To this end, 
the acronym YTTM? shall invariably translate to 'You talking to me?'  and 
shall be dispensed with a distinctively Robert De Niro accent.

Whereas the national provisions ensuring such protection of recipients must 
be harmonised in order to guarantee the free movement of acronyms without
lowering existing and justified levels of coherence, tone and morals. For
the
purpose of this directive, the Jerry Springer show in participating member
states
is exempt.

Whereas Global Community Legislation as it stands at present provides that,
notwithstanding one of the fundamental rules of the community, namely, 
free movement of information, classified or otherwise, barriers to 
intra-community exchange resulting from disparities in national servers on
the
filtering of messages have to be accepted in so far as those provisions may 
be recognised as necessary to satisfy essential requirements of the member
nation's religious, social or political ethics e.g. acronyms which
inadvertently
or otherwise translate to vulgarity or cause offence in member states. 

Whereas the Global Council recognises the existence of member states
whose alphabets are not traditionally western, the practicality of using 
these 'Class I' alphabets for acronyms in environments other than those 
exclusively employing the alphabet for regular communication, is limited
and therefore not covered by the scope of this directive. 

Whereas member states shall discourage the use of net acronyms when
exchanging information with Class I recipients; excepting that the acronym
is in hieroglyphics, in which case a Nobel prize is due.

Whereas member states shall discourage the use of net acronyms in 
environments where they impair the effective transfer of information, namely
in verbal communication. Notwithstanding, Manhattan shall be deemed 
exempt from this requirement and acronyms may be used in free speech.

Whereas it is nevertheless possible that acronyms may cause offence,
whereas provision should therefore be made for a procedure to reduce this
hazard

Whereas member states shall advise users on the need for caution in using
the acronym 'CUL' as 'Cul de sac' may 

RE: Typing Shortcuts

[Wismer, Sam]

After reading the reply below, I have invented a few of my:
 
TIAWSFE(TEE-AUS-FEE) - There is a web site for everything
UPHETMTOYH(U-PET-M-TOY) = You people have entirely too much time on your
hands
 
Is there an EU Directive for these?  Do they need to be translated?
 
Just kidding.  My sad attempt at humor..
 


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-Original Message-
From: Joshua Wiseman [mailto:jwise...@printronix.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:24 PM
To: 'rehel...@mmm.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts



Hi all, 

Here is a website that you can type in your acronym to get the definition. 

http://www.ucc.ie/info/net/acronyms/acro.html
  

Josh 

-Original Message- 
From: rehel...@mmm.com [ mailto:rehel...@mmm.com  ]

Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:19 AM 
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org 
Subject: Typing Shortcuts 



Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English 
language, such as: 

OTOH - on the other hand 
WRT  - with regard to 
BTW  - (I am still trying to figure out this one) 

Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain 
trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be 
terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. 

Thanks, 
Bob Heller 
3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 
Tel:  651- 778-6336 
Fax:  651-778-6252 


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United Arab Emirates

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Group,
Does anyone have any contact information for the radio regulatory
authorities in the UAE? 


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RE: VCCI - is it voluntary?

[Wismer, Sam]

George,
My understanding is that if anyone in the distribution chain is registered
with the VCCI, then they are obliged to distribute VCCI compliant products.
So you should check you distribution to chain,
mfg.-wholesaler-distributor-customer, to see if any is registered with the
VCCI.  

In summary, if anyone in the chain is VCCI registered, that is when it
becomes involuntary, and your device, being the mfg., must be compliant to
the standard and labeled properly.  



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From: acar...@uk.xyratex.com [mailto:acar...@uk.xyratex.com]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 4:20 AM
To: George Stults
Cc: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'
Subject: Re: VCCI - is it voluntary?



George

VCCI registration is voluntary. You do not need it to sell in Japan. BUT
like
so many other things, the VCCI mark is now seen as a sign of quality and you
may find it hard to sell products in Japan without the mark.

George Stults wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Just a basic question here about VCCI, hopefully it hasn't been done
> recently.
>
> In the acronym VCCI, (Voluntary Control Council for Interference) the
first
> word is 'Voluntary.'
> I have assumed that VCCI is a defacto standard in spite of being called
> 'Voluntary,'
> but I don't know how to prove it - and of course I could be wrong.
>
> Does anyone know of a specific document or clause or line of argument that
> clearly spells
> out whether or not VCCI is a requirement to sell ITE products in Japan?
>
> Thanks in advance for comments.
>
> George Stults
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RE: Resubmittals under the RTTE Directive

[Wismer, Sam]

Depends on your route to compliance.

If you used Annex IV, or you should consult your Notified Body.  If
harmonised standards exist for your product and you self-declared in
accordance with Annex III, then I would say all you need to do is update
your Regulatory Technical File to include your new test reports, if any, and
the technical diagrams reflecting the design changes.  

 


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-Original Message-
From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:54 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Resubmittals under the RTTE Directive



Under what conditions/design changes does an intentional radiator need to
be resubmitted under the RTTE Directive?

In the U.S., resubmission is required for Class 2 changes (essentially
anything that changes the output such as changes in power, antenna,
frequency, modulation, etc.).

Is there a reference document/data that applies to the RTTE Directive in
this area?


Bob Heller
3M Product Safety, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel:  651- 778-6336
Fax:  651-778-6252


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RE: [Fwd: Romania certifications]

[Wismer, Sam]

Gaby,
Could they be referring to ETS 300 350? A description of this standard
follows:

Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN);Basic call control procedures for
circuit-switched bearer services;Functional capabilities and information
flows [ITU-T Recommendation Q.71 (1993), modified] 

Does this sound like your device?

At any rate, generally when a request of this nature is made, they want to
see a test report or certificate showing your device has met the European
standard that applies to it.  If you have one, they may just rubber stamp
the approval, however, if they are as picky as the Hungarians, they may also
want a DNA sample.  If you don't have one, you will likely need to have it
tested.

You may want to consult a Notified Body(For your product, not the DNA
sample, although I'm sure they sell that service too).


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From: David Heald [mailto:davehe...@mediaone.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:42 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; gabb...@zoom.com
Subject: [Fwd: Romania certifications]



Forwarded for Gaby Abboud.  Please CC Mr. Abboud  on
any replies.
David Heald

 Original Message 
Subject: Romania certifications
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:28:34 -0400
From: Gaby Abboud 
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I received this from one of our sales people today.  Does anyone know
what
is the process to have  the following product certified for Romania. Is
there a standard or a directive that will help me research their
concerns.



{{Now I need for authorization process in Romania of 11Mbps PCI wireless
products some measuring bulletins for noise and interferences made
according
normatives from European Community standard 300/350.}} 



Thank you in advance.


Gaby F. Abboud
Senior Compliance Engineer

Zoom Telephonics Inc.
207 South Street
Boston, MA 02111

Tel #  617-753-0046 (Direct)
Main # 617-423-1702 x 3046
Fax #  617-542-8276
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Mexico Radios

[Wismer, Sam]

Group,
I need some opinions on shipping radio devices to Mexico.  Information is
very difficult to get from the SCT directly and our distributors play down
the need for type approval, so I am having difficulties in getting a
straight answer to the legal way to ship product.

My understanding is:
- Type approval only issued to company in Mexico.  
- Type approved equipment can only be sold in Mexico by the type approval
holder. 

Here is the scenario I am faced with:

Company A has a radio type approved in Mexico by the SCT.  We intend to OEM
and integrate these radios into our products.  Company A also mfg's products
similar to ours and is our competitor on this level.  This radio is type
approved by with the SCT by Company A's distributor.  

Assuming my understanding above is correct, does that mean we have to ship
our terminals with the integrated radios to Company A's distributor, who is
our direct competitor?

Any help is appreciated.  Safety and EMI is understood so please limit
responses to radios only.  

Thanks Much,

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RE: RSS139 and RSS210

[Wismer, Sam]

Peter,
RSS 210 is the Industry Canada radio standard for Low Power License-Exempt
Radiocommunications Devices(All Frequency Bands).

RSS 139 is the Industry Canada radio standard for Licensed
Radiocommunication devices in the Band of 2400-2483.5 MHz.

These standards can be downloaded for free at the following link:
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf01375e.html#RadioEquipmentTechnicalStandards
(Lists)

Sounds like you may being asked which standard you wish to apply for your
2.4 gear.  

You can apply -210 only if you intend to use any or all of the
2400-2483.5MHz band indoors, or if you wish to only use 2450-2483.5 MHz band
outdoors.  You HAVE TO apply -139 if you wish to use the entire 2400-2483.5
band outdoors and in addition, the user must apply for a site license to
operate the equipment.  There is no guarantee that a site license will
granted either.  The reason for this is that Canada uses the 2400-2450 band
for fixed radio relay service and other services that they do not want
interfered with.

I have been told by IC that I can apply -139 to all my 2.4 gear and only
require site licenses for outdoor use.  In other words, even though my radio
is approved to -139, I need only get site licenses for the outdoor
installations, and the indoor installations can operate license exempt(Of
course you will want to get your own confirmation of this in writing from
IC). 


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-Original Message-
From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguer...@itl.co.il]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:53 AM
To: "EMC-PSTC (E-mail)" <
Subject: RSS139 and RSS210



Dear All,

Can anyone identify what RSS139 and RSS210 standards stand for? It looks
like Canadian requirements for receiving and transmitting equipment. If so,
what are the equivalent FCC or other standards?

Thank you.

PETER S. MERGUERIAN
Technical Director
I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd.
26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211
Or Yehuda 60251, Israel
Tel: 972-3-5339022  Fax: 972-3-5339019
Mobile: 972-54-838175






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RE: RTTE Directive

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Amund,
I am not familiar with this type of device, however if you have confirmed
that all standards that apply to the device are harmonized under the
directive, you are correct that you can apply Annex III of the directive
without the assistance of a NB.  You are correct again that since the
frequency band is not harmonized throughout the EU, you must Notify each
member state of your intention to place the product on their market.  Since
you are using non-harmonized frequency bands, you must also apply the alert
symbol on your device alerting the user that there are restrictions to the
use of this device in some countries.  Those restrictions should be placed
on your label and in the operators guide.



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From: am...@westin.org [mailto:am...@westin.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:29 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Cc: wo...@sensormatic.com
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive



Hi all,

Regarding RTTE and the NB role, we have this case: 

1. Product: Satellite transmitter/reveicer, KU-band (10-14GHz)
2. Harmonized standards exist

As far as I understand, we do not need a NB for certification. Apply annex
III 
and issue a DoC.
If the product shall be put into marked in EU countries, which the KU-band 
is "not harmonized", a statement must be forwarded to the national
authorities 
that the product soon will be introduced to the marked.
Wait 4 weeks, no responds, you can go on selling.

Am I right or am I totally  ?

The last one, any WEB-site that describes the Harmonized Frequency bands ?

Best regards
Amund Westin 



On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:55:15 -0500 wo...@sensormatic.com wrote:
>
>A representative is necessary if the manufacture is not resident in the EU.
>That entity keeps the technical file and performs any other duties
expressly
>assigned by the manufacturer. This procedure is not related to any
>procedural requirements to use or not use a Notified Body. A Notified Body
>is needed if Annex III, IV or V applies. For example, our product is a
short
>range device where the spectrum standard has not been published; so we must
>follow Annex IV and use a Notified Body. However, once the standard is
>harmonized, we will switch to following Annex III and a Notified Body will
>not be required.
>
>Richard Woods
>
>--
>From:  Courtland Thomas [SMTP:ctho...@patton.com]
>Sent:  Tuesday, February 27, 2001 5:07 PM
>To:  emcpost
>Subject:  RTTE Directive
>
>
>Hello group,
>
>I have been reading through different articles on the RTTE Directive and
>getting somewhat confused. I have concluded that there is no requirement
for
>an authorized representative within the Community any longer. This may have
>been the case all along, but it was good to have that person to submit the
>technical files to a notified body. I believe the notified body requirement
>goes away with the RTTE directive also. Now all that is required is for the
>manufacturer to maintain the technical file and produce the Declaration of
>Conformity. Am I on the right page?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Courtland Thomas
>Patton Electronics
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RE: RTTE Directive

[Wismer, Sam]

All;
It is my opinion that if Annex III is applied, that a notified body is not
required.  Take for example 2.4GHz ISM equipment, although the frequency
band is not harmonized, the standards are(as of 14/2/2001), and according to
the Annex III, a notified body is not required.  There is nothing in the
directive that states a NB is needed if the frequency band is not
harmonized.  Notifications, however, are required and the alert symbol must
be used, but there is no requirement to use a NB.

I confirmed this with one of the member states regulating agencies during
some recent notifications I made for an 2.4GHz ISM device.  I applied the
newly harmonized standards in accordance with annex III and made my
notifications throughout the EU.  At first I was challenged why I did not
declare a NB.  Apparently(not sure how or why), they were not aware that all
of the standards that apply to ISM have been harmonized.  After explaining
and offering the evidence, they agreed that my notification was valid and
that I had correctly applied the directive.

No disrespect to the test labs out there because I have gotten a lot of good
information from some, but I encourage folks to get there information from
multiple sources and include the actual regulating agencies. I find that
this is the best way to weigh the opinions of others and the sales spin of
the test labs.  After all, it is the regulating agencies who can throw you
out of their country.


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Radio Approvals Engineer
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-Original Message-
From: CE-test - Ing. Gert Gremmen - ce-marking and more...
[mailto:cet...@cetest.nl]
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:57 AM
To: Courtland Thomas; emcpost
Subject: RE: RTTE Directive


There is some confusion over this subject:

1/  the ce marking directive still requires a rep "on-board" so resident on
European soil.
All New Approach directives under ce comply to this.

2/  The notified body (NB) is still required for R&TTE not harmonized
standards
to prescribe a test suite.
R&TTE harmonized standards do have a suitable test suite of their own.
3/  the notified body is still required for the frequency allocation per
country, unless
   a European harmonized frequency is used (currently just GSM and DECT).
   It's a good idea to comply to ERC freq. all. documents such as ERC 70-03
for short range devices.
   This one is a proposal for frequency harmonization for SRD in Europe.
   Be prepared for exceptions however.

So the key is:
Use a NB if Not Harmonized, otherwise do it yourself (or with our help).

All network related standards such as TBR21, are voluntarily.

Any way, selling devices is not forbidden at all as long as EMC and LVD
requirements are met.
You just should use the alert sign (and CE) including a list of ALL EC
counties that utilization is
not allowed.

Conclusion:

R&TTE is just as other electronics. The manufacturer should consult an NB
for not harmonized frequencies and not harmonized (radio) standards. In the
end all not harmonized frequencies usages need a notification to the
authorities.


Regards,

Gert Gremmen, (Ing)

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>>From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf
>>Of Courtland Thomas
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:07 PM
>>To: emcpost
>>Subject: RTTE Directive
>>
>>
>>
>>Hello group,
>>
>>I have been reading through different articles on the RTTE Directive and
>>getting somewhat confused. I have concluded that there is no
>>requirement for
>>an authorized representative within the Community any longer.
>>This may have
>>been the case all along, but it was good to have that person to submit the
>>technical files to a notified body. I believe the notified body
>>requirement
>>goes away with the RTTE directive also. Now all that is required
>>is for the
>>manufacturer to maintain the technical file and produce the Declaration of
>>Conformity. Am I on the right page?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Courtland Thomas
>>Patton Electronics
>>
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RE: RTTE Directive

[Wismer, Sam]

Courtland,
Assuming all of the standards that apply to your equipment are harmonised,
you are correct there is no need for a Notified Body.  Not a bad idea
however to have them do your testing.  As far as the authorized
representative within the community, I have long believed that this was not
necessary.  In fact the RTTE and the EMC directive use the same language:
"Where neither the mfg. nor his authorized representative is established
within the community, the obligation to keep the DoC and the technical
documentation at the disposal of the competent authority shall be the
responsibility of the person who places the product on the Community
market".  9 times out of 10 that person will be the mfg. or the authorized
rep, but clearly, it does not have to be.

  

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Radio Approvals Engineer
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-Original Message-
From: Courtland Thomas [mailto:ctho...@patton.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 5:07 PM
To: emcpost
Subject: RTTE Directive



Hello group,

I have been reading through different articles on the RTTE Directive and
getting somewhat confused. I have concluded that there is no requirement for
an authorized representative within the Community any longer. This may have
been the case all along, but it was good to have that person to submit the
technical files to a notified body. I believe the notified body requirement
goes away with the RTTE directive also. Now all that is required is for the
manufacturer to maintain the technical file and produce the Declaration of
Conformity. Am I on the right page?

Thanks,

Courtland Thomas
Patton Electronics


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RE: RTTE DoC Languages

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Richard,
According to the January 2001 issue of Conformity, TCAM says that a DoC need
not be provided with the product.  This is good news for me, since our
terminal devices can use many different radios and the manuals for these
devices are starting to look a bit ridiculous with the first five or six
pages being full size images of our DoC's for each radio.  


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-Original Message-
From: wo...@sensormatic.com [ mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com
 ]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:54 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RTTE DoC Languages


As you may have heard, TCAM has decided that it is not necessary for the DoC
provided with RTTE to be translated into the official languages. One
acceptable method is to include a simple declaration statement in the
official language along with a copy of the original DoC.  I have decided to
take this approach and include the following text in the official languages
of the EU and EFTA member states.

"Sensormatic Electronics declares that this equipment is in compliance with
the essential requirements and other relevant provisions of Directive
1999/5/EC. The equipment is intended for use in all EU and EFTA member
states."

The translations are in the attached PDF file. The country codes are per
ISO. No representations of accuracy or fitness are made by me or Sensormatic
Electronics. Use them at your own risk.


Richard Woods


 <> 

RE: R&TTE Directive Notification Period

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Kevin,

Unless you give it the same model number etc., there will always be what
appears to someone who tries to check on it, an un-notified(is that a word?)
product on the market.  I suppose you could have notified a family of
products if you had visibility of them prior to the initial notification.  

It's a bit like adding a new antenna to a spread spectrum device here in the
US.  If the antenna is of the same type and equal or lesser gain than one
that has already been approved by the FCC, then you don't have to test it.
However, you do have to identify it.  This means you have to file a class 2
permissive change to add the antenna to the file and wait the 12 week cycle
time or so until it gets granted.

For your question though, if the label cannot identify it as something that
has been notified, then you should re-notify.  Just be glad you only have to
wait 4 weeks and not 12.

My 2 cents...



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Radio Approvals Engineer
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-Original Message-
From: Kevin Harris [mailto:harr...@dscltd.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 10:35 AM
To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail)
Subject: R&TTE Directive Notification Period



Hello Sages,

I am trying to assess what could possibly happen under the following
scenario for the notification period. Lets say I had some SRD devices that
have gone through the notification period without comment. At some later
point I decide to introduce further devices in the line. The radios are not
identical schematically but all the RF characteristics are identical,
including "percentage on" time. The new devices are all type tested, EMC and
safety tested in exactly the same manner as the devices previously notified
and will be used in the same application. My proposal at that point would be
to not wait for 4 weeks to expire on notification but to market the devices
immediately. My reasoning for this is that a country can only object to a
device being marketed on "harm to the network" and then follow the procedure
in Article 9.5 for banning the device. Since they did not happen previously,
they cannot object now. I know that attitude might put some regulatory noses
out of joint but does anyone see a problem with the argument.


Best Regards,


Kevin Harris
Manager, Approval Services
Digital Security Controls
3301 Langstaff Road
Concord, Ontario
CANADA
L4K 4L2

Tel: +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378
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Radio EMC Standard

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi all;

Does anyone know where one might be able to match appropriate EMC standards
with radio devices?  For example, for 2.4GHZ equipment subject to ETS 300
328 or (EN 300 328 when they get around to publishing it), the EMC standard
is ETS 300 826.  I am particularly looking for the EMC standard that applies
to LMR equipment subject to ETS 300 113 but would like to know how to pair
them up if that is possible. 

Anyone?


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RE: ITE Emissions above 1 GHz

[Wismer, Sam]

Richard,
EN55022 is only for unintentional radiators, or intentional radiators in
stand-by mode.  The applicable radio standard should cover the spurious
emissions above 1 GHz(i.e. ETS 300 328).  I don't see that a competent body
is necessary here.


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From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:10 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: ITE Emissions above 1 GHz



I have an Information Technology device that intentionally generates and
uses 2.45 GHz signals. EN55022 does not provide limits above 1 GHz. Is there
another harmonized EN that can be applied for spurious emissions above 1
GHz? If not, will this product have to be submitted to a Competent Body?

Richard Woods

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RE: Japanese regulations in 2.4 GHz ISM band?

[Wismer, Sam]

Shah,
The regulating or testing agency is Telec(see link below).  I don't know
what the name of the standard is, but I know you can buy it from Telec.  To
my knowledge, it is only printed in Japanese.  I am not sure if they offer
an electronic copy or not.  

Although not required, it sure makes things helpful to have a partner in
Japan since Telec insists all correspondence be in Japanese.  Process is
relatively simple if you have this partnership.

I have no information regarding Bluetooth in Japan.

Hope this helps.



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-Original Message-
From: bharat_s...@logitech.com [mailto:bharat_s...@logitech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:52 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Japanese regulations in 2.4 GHz ISM band?



Hello,

Please assist me getting following information:

   1. Japanese radio regulatory standards applicable to computer peripheral
   device.
   2. Where/How can I obtain these documents preferably in electronic form.
   3. Same questions as 1 & 2 but for a pure Bluetooth compliant devices.


Thank you for your assistance.

Bharat Shah
Logitech Inc
510-713-4777


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RE: SAR Measurements

[Wismer, Sam]

Lothar,
As you already know I'm sure, part 15 devices are categorically excluded
from routine environmental evaluation.  But that doesn't stop the FCC from
hounding you about it everytime you send up an application.  I routinely get
a request from the FCC of how I comply with section 15.247(b)(4) which is
about the most vague section in the book.  However, after following all the
"refer to's", section 2.1093(c) that states part 15 devices(not all, but
most), are categorically excluded.  After many debates with the FCC, what I
have come to realize is that, although part 15 devices are categorically
excluded, the FCC reserves the right to mandate an applicant to show
compliance to the SAR requirements and perform the measurements.  
 
To answer your question about where it is written that any device less than
1mW is exempt, I haven't seen such a document, but I have been told that the
FCC has an unwritten threshold of about 200mW for ISM equipment and will not
require testing.  Our ISM radios, which are up to 100mW, have never been
required by the FCC to submit to SAR evaluation.  In my applications, I
provide MPE calculations for our Mobile equipment and for our portable
equipment I simply cite section 2.1093 and reference OET Bulletin 65,
Supplement C.   However, if your market includes Canada, all this is now
moot since RSS 102 includes ISM devices and you have to do the test anyway.

 


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-Original Message-
From: Lothar Schmidt [mailto:lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:01 PM
To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail)
Subject: SAR Measurements


Hi group,
 
Does anybody know a source where is written that a portable device (spread
spectrum in the 24 gHz range) under OET 65 has not to be measured regarding
SAR if the radiated power is less than 1 mW (0 dBm)?
Or is this only the experience that these kind of devices never exeed the
limits of table 2?
 
Any hint welcome
 
Thanks

Best Regards 

Lothar Schmidt 
Technical Manager EMC/Bluetooth, 
BQB, Competent Body 
Cetecom Inc. 
411 Dixon Landing Road 
Milpitas, CA 95035 
Phone: +1 (408) 586 6214 
Fax: +1 (408) 586 6299 

 


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RE: Harmonised ISM Band?

[Wismer, Sam]

Lothar,
Thank you for the information.  Does this mean that only Bluetooth can use
this band in Spain/France but ISM cannot?


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-Original Message-
From: Lothar Schmidt [mailto:lothar.schm...@cetecomusa.com]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:16 PM
To: Wismer, Sam; EMC Forum (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Harmonised ISM Band?


Sam,

this information is mostly related to Bluetooth. That means this two
countries will allow these applications in this frequency band. This does
not mean that this is a harmonized frequency band in the sence of the R&TTE
Directive.

The alert signal has still to be one and the notification is still necessary

Best Regards

Lothar Schmidt
Technical Manager EMC/Bluetooth, 
BQB, Competent Body
Cetecom Inc.
411 Dixon Landing Road
Milpitas, CA 95035
Phone: +1 (408) 586 6214
Fax: +1 (408) 586 6299


-Original Message-
From: Wismer, Sam [mailto:wisme...@lxe.com]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:32 AM
To: EMC Forum (E-mail)
Subject: Harmonised ISM Band?



Group:
I am hearing from my distributors and others that both Spain and France have
or will soon, open their ISM bands to conform to that of the rest of the EU.
Some questions result:

1)  Is this true and where can I get official confirmation?
2)  Does this mean the band is now harmonised and that the alert symbol is
no longer required?
3)  Does this mean notifications are no longer necessary?

Thanks in advance...

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Radio Approvals Engineer
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(770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654

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Harmonised ISM Band?

[Wismer, Sam]

Group:
I am hearing from my distributors and others that both Spain and France have
or will soon, open their ISM bands to conform to that of the rest of the EU.
Some questions result:

1)  Is this true and where can I get official confirmation?
2)  Does this mean the band is now harmonised and that the alert symbol is
no longer required?
3)  Does this mean notifications are no longer necessary?

Thanks in advance...

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Radio Approvals Engineer
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(770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654

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RE: RTTE & PTT Notification

[Wismer, Sam]

No, seemed fairly simple once I figured out where to send the notifications
to.  Let me know if you need some of that information, I have developed a
good database.  

Oh I did get a call from someone in France about my notification.  He
sounded like he was at a payphone in a train station.  On top of that, his
English was bad and my French was worse so you can imagine the call wasn't
productive.  I'm still not sure why he called although he did say everything
was okay.  That's all I needed to know, so that's where the conversation
ended.

All in all, my 1st experience with the new directive has gone well.  I am
now in the process of converting our existing approvals over to the new
scheme.  
 


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-Original Message-
From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 2:19 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE & PTT Notification



Thanks for blazing the trail, Sam. Did you run into any quirks in other EEA
countries?

Richard Woods

------
    From:  Wismer, Sam [SMTP:wisme...@lxe.com]
Sent:  Thursday, October 05, 2000 2:04 PM
To:  wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject:  RE: RTTE & PTT Notification

Hi Richard,
Yes that was me.  For our 2.4GHZ equipment, I made notification to
the RegTP
declaring complaince to the essential requirements of the RTTE
Directive as
required by Article 6.4 of the directive.  The response I received
back was
that it was necessary to declare complaince to their national
standard, BAPT
222 ZV 126 in this case, as well as the ETS standards(ETS 300 328).
I
thought this to be in violation of the directive and thus European
law and
asked my notified body for advice.  They too thought this to be a
violation
of the directive and agreed to look into the matter.  I never heard
back
from them on this issue.  

I went ahead and re-issued my notification form declaring compliance
to both
standards since after review, I found them to be technically
equivalent. 


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From: wo...@sensormatic.com [ mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com
<mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com> ]
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:29 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RTTE & PTT Notification



We are about to begin our RTTE notification process to the various
PTTs in
the EEA member countries.  I read on this forum that Germany
requires
declaration to their national standard and not an ETSI standard. Are
there
any countries that have "special" requirements for the notification?

Richard Woods

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RE: RTTE & PTT Notification

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Richard,
Yes that was me.  For our 2.4GHZ equipment, I made notification to the RegTP
declaring complaince to the essential requirements of the RTTE Directive as
required by Article 6.4 of the directive.  The response I received back was
that it was necessary to declare complaince to their national standard, BAPT
222 ZV 126 in this case, as well as the ETS standards(ETS 300 328).  I
thought this to be in violation of the directive and thus European law and
asked my notified body for advice.  They too thought this to be a violation
of the directive and agreed to look into the matter.  I never heard back
from them on this issue.  

I went ahead and re-issued my notification form declaring compliance to both
standards since after review, I found them to be technically equivalent. 


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From: wo...@sensormatic.com [ mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com
 ]
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:29 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RTTE & PTT Notification



We are about to begin our RTTE notification process to the various PTTs in
the EEA member countries.  I read on this forum that Germany requires
declaration to their national standard and not an ETSI standard. Are there
any countries that have "special" requirements for the notification?

Richard Woods

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RE: 288-433MHz TX/RX outside USA

[Wismer, Sam]

Ted,
Looks like you got some homework to do.  The only thing I can offer is a
website link for the radio authorities in Singapore.  Used to be known as
TAS, but now is the IDA.  Excellent website and they are very responsive to
inquiries.  When you have completed your research, perhaps you could publish
your information.  I am always looking for radio approval information from
around the world.  The link is below.




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-Original Message-
From: Ted Chaffee [mailto:tchaf...@qtm.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 7:17 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: 288-433MHz TX/RX outside USA



Group,

I am beginning an investigation into requirements of 
low-power transmitters/receivers outside the USA.
I am entrusting someone in this group to help shorten
the search time by providing   1)-contact persons, or
2)-information sources, or 3)-direct information.

The product:  low-power transmitter which comply to
the FCC Part 15.231 for intermittent usage. Also, the
accompanying receiver. 
Frequency of operation: is 288MHz to 433MHz avoiding
the FCC restricted bands.
Primary Usage:  automotive applications.  Keyless entry,
system alerts, garage door activators.

Countries of interest to introduce these products:
Bahrain
Kuwait
Lebanon
Morocco
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
UAE

Any information for getting this type product
marketed in the listed countries will be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks

Ted Chaffee
AHD
tchaf...@ahde.com



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RE: FCC certifications

[Wismer, Sam]

I agree wit Richard on the Part 15 issue.  

Its been a while since I dealt with Part 68 issues, but it was my
understanding that for Part 68, the model of the device is identified on the
certificate.  If a new model is added, such as Kim's OEM wants to do, a
filing must be made to the Common Carrier Bureau.  I believe we used to call
this a "Model Add" application.




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From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:27 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; t...@world.std.com
Subject: RE: FCC certifications



You may label any FCC Certified product with any brand name and no change is
required to the certifications. The FCC ID numbers of the product identify
the holder of the grants and those numbers are not related to the brand name
appearing on the product.

Richard Woods

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From:  k...@i-data.com [SMTP:k...@i-data.com]
Sent:  Friday, September 29, 2000 9:00 AM
To:  emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; t...@world.std.com
Subject:  FCC certifications


Hi all,

I can't find the answer to the following questions in the
information I
have from FCC I hope that sombody can help me.

We have both FCC part 15 certified products and FCC part 68
certified
products. Now a OEM costumer wants to have our product with his name
on FCC
certified. Both a product  with part 15 only and one also including
part
68.

Are we allowed to use our FCC ID on his labels or do we need to
apply for a
new FCC ID ?

(The OEM version is our product in a new color and without our name)

If we need a new FCC ID what is the procedure for this ? Hopefuly we
can
transfere the approvals directly.

Best regards,

Kim Boll Jensen
i-data
Denmark


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RTTE Notification Acknowledgments

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Group,
>From http://www.radio.gov.uk/:  
"Article 6.4 of the Radio Equipment and Telecommunications Terminal
Equipment (R&TTE) Directive 1999/5/EC requires that radio equipment using
frequency bands whose use is not harmonised throughout the Community shall
be notified to the relevant national spectrum management authorities at
least four weeks before it is placed on their market."
Although not specifically stated above or in the Directive, it is my
understanding that upon acknowledgment of the notification or after 4 weeks
has elapsed since the notification with no response, whichever comes first,
the manufacturer is free to place the product on the market.  
If my understanding is correct, why then am I getting these acknowledgments
5 months after making the notification?



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RE: DSSS document on FCC website?

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Paul,
Try FCC 97-114 Appendix C.  It is entitled "Guidance on Measurements for
Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum Systems".  I think this is what you're
after.

Good Luck!


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From: Paul Slavens [mailto:paul_slav...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 5:22 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: DSSS document on FCC website?



Dear Group,

I was able find "DA 00-705 - Filing and Measurement Guidelines for Frequency

Hopping Spread Spectrum Systems" on the FCC web site.  I am pretty sure a 
comparable document exists for Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum Systems, 
however, I was unable to find it.  I sure would appreciate it if any of you 
fine persons could point me in the right direction.

Regards

Paul G. Slavens
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RTTE Radio Verification

[Wismer, Sam]

Group,
Interesting discussion on FCC Verification of OEM ITE equipment.

I have another twist that includes radio and the EU.

Company A has a 2.4GHz radio device that they have self declared to the RTTE
Directive in accordance with Annex V of the directive.

Company B, with no internationally recognized quality system in place and
has not been assessed by a Notified Body,  wishes to OEM the radio device
and to assume the existing approvals.  In effect appear to the world as the
manufacturer.  In the USA that can be done via a Grantee change with the
FCC.  With that, company B assumes the FCC approval that company A has
obtained and now enjoys it's own FCC identity.  This allows company B to
file permissive change applications with no involvement by Company A.  This
also used to be the case in the EU before the RTTE Directive.  However, is
it still possible between company A, that used Annex V to declare
compliance, and company B who wishes to assume that approval even if company
B does not have the quality system in place that is required by Annex V,
which the approval is declared to?  



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FCC Licenses

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Group,
We currently hold various Narrow Band(450-470MHz) licenses.  Since it is
simple we renew them as required instead of letting them expire.  However, I
have come to understand that there is a market for selling them.  Has anyone
heard of this and if so, where does a seller find a buyer?

Thanks,


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RE: Philippines Testing

[Wismer, Sam]

Mat,

For radio matters, contact the National Telecommunications Commission(NTC)
at:  http://www.ntc.gov.ph/

Not sure if they also deal with EMI/EMC matters but I'm sure they will point
you in the right direction.

Best Regards,


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-Original Message-
From: Aschenberg, Mat [mailto:matt.aschenb...@echostar.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:30 PM
To: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Philippines Testing



Where can I go to find to requirements for selling units in the Philippines?

I imagine they require CE marking or something similar. 

Mat


Mathew Aschenberg
Agency Engineer
EchoStar Technologies Corporation
90 Inverness Circle East
Englewood, CO 80112




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FW: Transmitters in Japan

[Wismer, Sam]

John,
Telec is the organization in Japan that certifies radio equipment.  Check
out this link:

http://www.telec.or.jp/eng/index_e.htm

You may also be interested in EMI compliance in which case check out:

http://www.vcci.or.jp//vcci/vccie/index.html

If your system is an open system(one that connects to the PSTN you will also
need JATE certification.

http://www.jate.or.jp/index_e.html


It also helps to have someone in Japan as a liaison since all documentation
must be in Japanese.

We just  went through this process with our 2.4ISM equipment.  It was
relatively painless since we had people in country to help us.


Hope this sets you on your way.

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From: Kretsch, John [mailto:john_kret...@adc.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 9:46 AM
To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'
Subject: Transmitters in Japan



We have a product which is a 2.4GHz (ISM band) spread spectrum frequency
hopping transceiver.  It currently has FCC certification. I am not familiar
with Japanese compliance with intentional radiators.

What type of compliance is needed in Japan for this type of product?

TIA.

John Kretsch

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RE: RE: Notified Body Number

[Wismer, Sam]

Cynthia,

I am not familiar with Annex V of the Directive, however I do know that use
of the NB number is not limited to that route of compliance. 

Annex IV requires a Notified Body assessment of the TCF and in so doing, the
mfg. must identify, by  use of the NB number, which NB was used.

Also, it is my understanding that the NB number should be placed between the
CE mark and the alert symbol, if required, otherwise just to the right of
the CE mark(I have no basis for this position but it seems to be the
accepted norm).  


 


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-Original Message-
From: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com [mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 1:18 AM
To: Cynthia Pleach; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re:RE: Notified Body Number



Forwarding for Cynthia  

Reply Separator
Subject:RE: Notified Body Number
Author: Cynthia Pleach 
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date:   7/10/00 1:49 PM

It was my understanding that only manufacturing
using Annex V of the RTTE would use the CE and notified
body number.  All others would simply use the CE.

-Original Message-
From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 9:56 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; t...@world.std.com
Subject: RE: Notified Body Number


I just discovered the Commission's statement on marking in the Sept. 1999
publication "Guide to the implementation of directives based upon the New
Approach and the Global Approach". Section 7.3 says, "A notified body may be
involved in the design phase, the production phase, or both, depending on
the conformity assessment procedures applied. The CE marking shall only be
followed by the identification number of the notified body if it is involved
in the production phase. Thus the identification number of a notified body
involved in conformity assessment according to Module B does not follow the
CE marking."

Therefore, it appears that a product subject to Annex III or IV of the RTTE
must have a NB marking but, according to the above, it cannot follow the CE
marking since the NB is not involved in the production phase.

Richard Woods

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To:  wo...@sensormatic.com
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Subject:  Re: Notified Body Number



Richard,

Directive 93/68/EC (Article 5), which linked the CE marking to the
EMC
directive, states that the minimum height of the CE marking must be
5 mm. The
Maritime Directive requires a CE marking which also includes the NB
number. From
the example drawing in the directive it shows that the height of the
NB number
is identical to the height of the CE marking. The distance of the NB
number to
the CE marking is based on the distance between the characters C and
E.

The marking for the RTTE Directive would then look like: CE XXX,
where XXX is
the NB number.

Best regards,
NMi Certin B.V.

Pieter Robben
Department of EMC, Telecommunications and Electrical Safety

Web: www.nmicertin.com / www.nmicertin.nl






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Subject:  Notified Body Number




Neither the LV nor the RTTE Directive indicates the minimal size for
the
Notified Body number nor do they indicate the placement of the
number
relative to the CE marking. Do any of the other directives or any
other
documents from the Commission indicate the proper way to size and
place the
Notified Body number?

Richard Woods






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RE: EMF Radiation : Test labs

[Wismer, Sam]

Hi Ed,
I used ITS Menlo Park.  Service was adequate, price was high,  $16K for 3
radios,(due to the fact that only a handful of labs are equipped for this
testing) and competence was good.
 
I would likely use them again.  I'm sure that as more labs get into this
type of testing the price will come down.  Hope so anyway.


~ 
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LXE, Inc. 
(770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654 

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-Original Message-
From: Edward Fitzgerald [mailto:edward.fitzger...@ets-tele.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 11:56 AM
To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail)
Subject: EMF Radiation : Test labs


Hi,
 
I am currently putting together a list of suitably accredited laboratories
that can test to RSS-102 and IEEE C95.1 & C95.3 for meeting compliance with
Industry Canada and FCC regulations.

Most importantly I am interested in those labs you have worked with and
could recommend; whether the recommendation be on price, service level or
just a high level of competence.
 
Many thanks,

Edward Fitzgerald
Director
Direct Tel. : +44 1202 20 09 22
Mobile Tel. : +44 7768 53 31 00 
European Technology Services (EMEA)
Specialist Global Compliance and Regulatory Consultancy
Regional Offices in Australia, Canada and the UK. 
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NAVSEA OP3565

[Wismer, Sam]

Group,
I posted a question regarding NAVSEA OP3565 on or around the 13th and
received a good response from someone on the list but I lost that email.
Hopefully, he or someone else here can help with an additional question.

I am looking for an opinion on whether or not our type of radio equipment is
likely to meet the requirements of OP3565.   Our worst case radio
configurations are: 

Part 90 - 450MHz 4Watt max(36dBm) w\0dBi antenna
Part 90 - 800MHz 2Watt max(33dBm) w\3dBi antenna
Part 15 - 900MHz SS 1Watt max(30dBm) w\6dBi antenna
Part 15 - 2.4GHz SS  100mW max(20dBm) w\15 dBi antenna

Also, I would appreciate any information on where I may be able to obtain a
copy of the standard.


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Mil Standards

[Wismer, Sam]

Group,
Does anyone have any information on NAVSEA OP4 and how it may relate to ITE
equipment?  Any help is appreciated.




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RE: RTTE and Germany

[Wismer, Sam]

Richard,
Thanks for the input.

As we do with all our radios, we have taken strides prior to approval to
ensure that our radio met all national deviations so that we could sell a
single device throughout Europe.  We did however have to come up with a
separate version to take care of Spain and France.

This is why this is somewhat of a surprise to me(Not really).  

So I guess my question is, what requirement does the BAPT 222 ZV 126
standard have that is not satisfied by ETS 300 328?  Or, is it technically
equivalent, and they're just being stubborn, in which case all I need to do
is add this standard to my DoC? 

I don't have a copy of the standard, so I am at a loss.



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-Original Message-
From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 10:03 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE and Germany



Sam, you may place RTTE compliant equipment on the market in any member
state without any changes. However, the equipment may not be placed in
service in a member state until and unless it complies with any additional
spectrum, interference and health and safety (EMF) requirements that a state
may impose according to Article 7(2). You have just discovered that Germany
has imposed non-harmonized spectrum requirements. My equipment has similar
problems in Germany, and my equipment cannot be used in Portugal since the
frequency is allocated to other equipment. You can find a summary of the
spectrum requirements of the CEPT members in CEPT Recommendation 70-03. The
document can be found at http://www.ero.dk/ <http://www.ero.dk/>  under
"documentation".

Richard Woods

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Sent:  Thursday, June 01, 2000 8:46 AM
To:  EMC Forum (E-mail)
Subject:  RTTE and Germany


Group,
As required by Article 6.4 of the R&TTE directive I made
notification to
Germany of our intent to place our product on their market.  I
received a
reply advising me that I must re-submit the notification declaring
compliance to their national standard BAPT 222 ZV 126, in additon to
the
essential requirements of the R&TTE Directive.  It is my
understanding that
requiring me to declare compliance to their national standard, is in
violation of the of the Directive.  I have 2 questions:

1)  Is this in violation of the Directive?
2)  Is BAPT 222 ZV 126 technically equivalent to ETS 300 328 for
which I
used to declare compliance to the Directive? 



Sam Wismer
RF Approvals Engineer
LXE, Inc.
(770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654

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RTTE and Germany

[Wismer, Sam]

Group,
As required by Article 6.4 of the R&TTE directive I made notification to
Germany of our intent to place our product on their market.  I received a
reply advising me that I must re-submit the notification declaring
compliance to their national standard BAPT 222 ZV 126, in additon to the
essential requirements of the R&TTE Directive.  It is my understanding that
requiring me to declare compliance to their national standard, is in
violation of the of the Directive.  I have 2 questions:

1)  Is this in violation of the Directive?
2)  Is BAPT 222 ZV 126 technically equivalent to ETS 300 328 for which I
used to declare compliance to the Directive? 



Sam Wismer
RF Approvals Engineer
LXE, Inc.
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RE: RTTE

[Wismer, Sam]

Richard,
All are labeling is in English.  We did not use any country codes or symbols
to represent countries, however we did of course apply the alert symbol.   

Oh, on the notification front, I am getting conflicting information on the
necessity to notify for ISM equipment.  My notified body says I don't have
to, but if you ask the folks in the regulatory agencies of their respective
countries, most say that you do.  I'm inclined to believe them since they
can toss me out of there country(Not likely, but a good rule to live by).
Anyway, I choose to notify.  


Sam Wismer
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-Original Message-
From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 3:10 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: RTTE



Sam, did you use English or symbols and country codes?

Richard Woods

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    From:  Wismer, Sam [SMTP:wisme...@lxe.com]
Sent:  Monday, May 15, 2000 3:03 PM
To:  wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject:  RE: RTTE

Richard,
My product and packaging labeling does not list the countries
independently.
I simply stated on the labels that this equipment is intended to be
used in
the EU/EFTA except for Spain and France, since our equipment is ISM
that
uses the whole 2400-2483.5MHz band.  However, I clarified that in
more depth
in the users guide, where it is more practical to list the
countries.

For our Spain/France product(2450-2483.5MHz), we reversed the label
to say
that this equipment is intended to be used in Spain and France only.

This method did not come under criticism when our TCF was submitted
to a
notified body for a Statement of Opinion.
  

Sam Wismer
RF Approvals Engineer
LXE, Inc.
(770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654

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-Original Message-
From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:07 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RTTE



Packaging and user instructions of radio equipment must indicate the
Member
states where the equipment is intended to be used. It appears to be
sufficient to list the two letter ISO symbols for the 15 states. I
am
concerned that some non-EU states may also be adopting the RTTE and
rewording the requirement such they must also be listed. For
example, the
EFTA states adopt the EU Directives. Is anyone aware of any need to
list
other states in addition to the 15 EU states?

Richard Woods

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RE: RTTE

[Wismer, Sam]

Richard,
My product and packaging labeling does not list the countries independently.
I simply stated on the labels that this equipment is intended to be used in
the EU/EFTA except for Spain and France, since our equipment is ISM that
uses the whole 2400-2483.5MHz band.  However, I clarified that in more depth
in the users guide, where it is more practical to list the countries.

For our Spain/France product(2450-2483.5MHz), we reversed the label to say
that this equipment is intended to be used in Spain and France only.

This method did not come under criticism when our TCF was submitted to a
notified body for a Statement of Opinion.
  

Sam Wismer
RF Approvals Engineer
LXE, Inc.
(770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654

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From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:07 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RTTE



Packaging and user instructions of radio equipment must indicate the Member
states where the equipment is intended to be used. It appears to be
sufficient to list the two letter ISO symbols for the 15 states. I am
concerned that some non-EU states may also be adopting the RTTE and
rewording the requirement such they must also be listed. For example, the
EFTA states adopt the EU Directives. Is anyone aware of any need to list
other states in addition to the 15 EU states?

Richard Woods

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RE: Notified Body Numbers

[Wismer, Sam]

Richard,
I am currently putting together a TCF to the requirements of Annex IV of the
R&TTE Directive.  I too am laying out the label and had the same question.
The Notified Body I am using has a 4 numerical digits.  



Sam Wismer
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LXE, Inc.
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How many characters are there in a Notified Body number? I am laying out a
label and want to make sure I allow sufficient room for the maximum number
of characters.

Richard Woods

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RE: Private Labeled Transmitters

[Wismer, Sam]

Ah, funny you should ask.  I am company B and have been working for over a
year to figure out exactly what has to happen.  I have consulted with most
of the regulatory body's in Europe and have reached the following
conclusions.  

1)  Anything sold prior to the effective date, an EC type examination
certificate must be obtained and the relevant national type approvals in the
countries of interest.  If this same item is to continue to be sold after 8
April 2001, it must then be converted to the R&TTE regime and labeled
accordingly.

2)  Anything marketed after 8, April 2000 is subject to the R&TTE Directive.
The transition period is for existing approved products only and no new type
approvals will be issued.

The BIPT(Belgium) has good information on the Directive.  Check out the link
at:

http://www.bipt.be/Pages/English/Telecoms/rtte/rtte.htm




Sam Wismer
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LXE, Inc.
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Subject: Private Labeled Transmitters



A transmitter is manufactured and sold in the EU today by company A. It is
subject to the EMC Directive today and to the R&TTE Directive on 8 April
2001. Company A also labels the product with the name and unique model
number of company B and company B resells the product.

If the product is first sold by Company B before 8 April 2000, is either
company A or Company B required to obtain an EU Type Examination Certificate
containing the model number and or name of Company B?

If the product is first sold by Company B after 8 April 2000 and before 8
April 2001, is either company A or Company B required to follow the
procedures of the R&TTE for those particular items?

Richard Woods

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