Re: C-tick - domestic appliance?
Hi Nick, You’re probably thinking of the Australian Tropical Climate classification requirement for fans. There are also a few other variations. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK 281 Lawrence Rd Mount Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: +613 9886 1345 Fax: +613 9013 9552 From: Nick Williams mailto:nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:23 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C-tick - domestic appliance? Can anyone tell me if the Australian equivalent standard to EN 60335-2-80 (domestic appliances - fans) contains any different tests to those in the European version? I've been told that the test requirements involve performing some of the tests at elevated temperatures to those defined in the European standards, and it would be useful to know if this is true. Nick. Nick Williams Director Direct line: +44 1298 873811 Mobile: +44 7702 995135 email: nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk - Conformance Ltd - Product safety, approvals and CE-marking consultants The Old Methodist Chapel, Great Hucklow, Buxton, SK17 8RG England Tel. +44 1298 873800, Fax. +44 1298 873801, www.conformance.co.uk Registered in England, Company No. 3478646 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: C-tick fee's
Don and All The advantage of using an agent is that you apply one Ctick # by the logo and you send the technical file once to the agent. With multiple distributors you deal with different #s adjacent to the logo and each distributor must be responsible for the technical file. Best Regards Peter Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Umbdenstock, Don djumbdenst...@tycoint.com wrote: Just a thought – if you are interested in Australia C-tick mark, it sounds like you have a distributor in Australia. Why not have the distributor fill out the free forms and hold the file that you provide him with? Essentially it’s a technical construction file like you do for any EMC product; the only thing missing is a declaration with local contact information. Your importer should feel comfortable to be the point of contact if you provide sufficient TCF backup for the product. Then the importer is just a message forwarding service to you to resolve issues should ACMA have a question. The folks at ACMA are helpful in providing the information and sites with the applicable forms. Best regards, Don Umbdenstock Manager Global Regulatory Approvals Sensormatic Electronics, LLC 6600 Congress Avenue Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA Phone: 561.912.6440 djumbdenst...@tycoint.com mailto:djumbdenst...@tycoint.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:27 PM To: Jim Robson; McInturff, Gary; mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: Christopher Saleem Subject: C-tick fee's Just a little clarification folks I like to share my experience regarding our ACMA registration a few months ago. I was told by ACMA that we as an US company cannot register directly as we did not have a distributor in Australia. So I hired a consultant in AU as our in-country rep and used his registration number on our label and pay him a annual fee. This guy keeps our folder as answers any questions to ACMA. It is not so simple process as it sounds unless you do the DoC correctly and go though the process yourself. There is no direct fees but some cost US$k involved for sure. Christopher From: Jim Robson jrob...@zetron.com To: McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com; mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: RE: C-tick fee's Gary, There is no cost to apply the C-Tick mark on your product. You must register with ACMA (at no cost) and have an in-country representative that holds your compliance folder. You will be given a registration number that you must put on the label with the C-Tick symbol. This link give you all of the information you need. http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD..PC/pc=PC_2796 http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD..PC/pc=PC_2796 Regards, Jim Robson From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of McInturff, Gary Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:08 AM To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: C-tick fee's Can someone give me a rough idea of the application costs for a C-Tick mark. I have standards appropriate EMC and CB safety data so assuming its as benign as I hope – what can I expect in costs, just a first order of merit figure for my budgetary purposes. If you have a rough number off the top of your head I would appreciate it. I can head the Aus site but figured one you might have it at your finger tips, and how was the overall experience – fairly straightforward if you have all the data or was it a bureaucratic nightmare – the average case please I know there can be nightmare stories. Thanks Gary McInturff - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user
RE: C-tick fee's
Just a thought – if you are interested in Australia C-tick mark, it sounds like you have a distributor in Australia. Why not have the distributor fill out the free forms and hold the file that you provide him with? Essentially it’s a technical construction file like you do for any EMC product; the only thing missing is a declaration with local contact information. Your importer should feel comfortable to be the point of contact if you provide sufficient TCF backup for the product. Then the importer is just a message forwarding service to you to resolve issues should ACMA have a question. The folks at ACMA are helpful in providing the information and sites with the applicable forms. Best regards, Don Umbdenstock Manager Global Regulatory Approvals Sensormatic Electronics, LLC 6600 Congress Avenue Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA Phone: 561.912.6440 djumbdenst...@tycoint.com mailto:djumbdenst...@tycoint.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:27 PM To: Jim Robson; McInturff, Gary; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: Christopher Saleem Subject: C-tick fee's Just a little clarification folks I like to share my experience regarding our ACMA registration a few months ago. I was told by ACMA that we as an US company cannot register directly as we did not have a distributor in Australia. So I hired a consultant in AU as our in-country rep and used his registration number on our label and pay him a annual fee. This guy keeps our folder as answers any questions to ACMA. It is not so simple process as it sounds unless you do the DoC correctly and go though the process yourself. There is no direct fees but some cost US$k involved for sure. Christopher From: Jim Robson jrob...@zetron.com To: McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: RE: C-tick fee's Gary, There is no cost to apply the C-Tick mark on your product. You must register with ACMA (at no cost) and have an in-country representative that holds your compliance folder. You will be given a registration number that you must put on the label with the C-Tick symbol. This link give you all of the information you need. http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD..PC/pc=PC_2796 Regards, Jim Robson From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of McInturff, Gary Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:08 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: C-tick fee's Can someone give me a rough idea of the application costs for a C-Tick mark. I have standards appropriate EMC and CB safety data so assuming its as benign as I hope – what can I expect in costs, just a first order of merit figure for my budgetary purposes. If you have a rough number off the top of your head I would appreciate it. I can head the Aus site but figured one you might have it at your finger tips, and how was the overall experience – fairly straightforward if you have all the data or was it a bureaucratic nightmare – the average case please I know there can be nightmare stories. Thanks Gary McInturff - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list
RE: C-tick fee's
That is correct. They do require an in-country representative/agent to hold the compliance folder and DoC. That can be the importer, reseller or a consult, if your company does not a presence in Australia. There should be a legal contract with the agent as they would they first point of contact on any compliance issues. Jim From: Christopher [mailto:cksal...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 10:27 AM To: Jim Robson; McInturff, Gary; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: Christopher Saleem Subject: C-tick fee's Just a little clarification folks I like to share my experience regarding our ACMA registration a few months ago. I was told by ACMA that we as an US company cannot register directly as we did not have a distributor in Australia. So I hired a consultant in AU as our in-country rep and used his registration number on our label and pay him a annual fee. This guy keeps our folder as answers any questions to ACMA. It is not so simple process as it sounds unless you do the DoC correctly and go though the process yourself. There is no direct fees but some cost US$k involved for sure. Christopher From: Jim Robson jrob...@zetron.com To: McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: RE: C-tick fee's Gary, There is no cost to apply the C-Tick mark on your product. You must register with ACMA (at no cost) and have an in-country representative that holds your compliance folder. You will be given a registration number that you must put on the label with the C-Tick symbol. This link give you all of the information you need. http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD..PC/pc=PC_2796 Regards, Jim Robson From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of McInturff, Gary Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:08 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: C-tick fee's Can someone give me a rough idea of the application costs for a C-Tick mark. I have standards appropriate EMC and CB safety data so assuming its as benign as I hope – what can I expect in costs, just a first order of merit figure for my budgetary purposes. If you have a rough number off the top of your head I would appreciate it. I can head the Aus site but figured one you might have it at your finger tips, and how was the overall experience – fairly straightforward if you have all the data or was it a bureaucratic nightmare – the average case please I know there can be nightmare stories. Thanks Gary McInturff - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: C-Tick vs. A-Tick
Hi Kevin, Thank you for your quick reply. Yeah, I have to admit to loosely throwing out the term “safety compliance”, which was meant to state your 3rd bullet point. I do have the 2009 amendment, but I would like to not have to deal with two documents. I’ll keep a watchful eye out for it. And yes, it did indeed help. Thanks again. Best regards, Ron From: Kevin Richardson [mailto:kevin.richard...@ieee.org] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:23 PM To: rpick...@rpqconsulting.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: C-Tick vs. A-Tick Hi Ron, When you say the A-Tick signifies safety compliance according to the TLN, this is true but you need to be a little careful when you refer to safety compliance in Australia for telecom equipment. The safety of equipment supplied in Australia can be broken into 3 areas of legislation/regulations: * the Trade Practices Act requires any item supplied in Australia must be safe and fit for purpose - this is loosely interpreted to mean that the equipment should comply with the appropriate product safety standards or if no product safety standards exists then a generic safety standard; * the various Australian State and Territory Electrical Regulations essentially divides equipment into 2 groups. One being Declared Articles or Prescribed Articles (depending upon which State/Territory you are in) and Non-declared Articles. Formal approval from an Electrical Authority is required for Declared Articles. These are typically potentially high risk house-hold type appliances (washing machines, toasters, heaters etc but also includes external power supplies such as those used with laptop and similar equipment). For Non-declared Articles, they are still required to comply with a minimum safety standard, AS/NZS 3820, but are not required to apply for formal Electrical Authority approval; and then there is * the TLN which simply requires almost all equipment captured by the TLN comply with AS/NZS 60950-1. As such, I tend to reserve the phrase safety compliance for use in relation to the formal approval situation under the electrical regulations. With regard to your question about when a consolidated version of the TLN + the most recent amendment (i.e. Amdt1:2009) will be available, I spoke with the ACMA 2 days ago and they are hoping it will be on the ComLaw web site in a couple of days. It should have been there already but has been delayed for some reason. The ComLaw site is not under ACMA control. It is a separate combined legal/regulatory document publication site. Hope this helps Ron. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard, RPQ [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com] Sent: Friday, 12 February 2010 2:00 PM To: kevin.richard...@ieee.org Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: C-Tick vs. A-Tick Hi Kevin, You provided some good information, but the A-tick mark also signifies safety compliance according to the TLN. Also, do you know when the TLN is supposed to consolidate all of its amendments as the ACMA website states will happen soon? Just being curious here. I look forward to your reply. Best regards, Ron From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Richardson Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:16 PM To: Nic Johnson; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: C-Tick vs. A-Tick Nic, It is not possibly to simply describe all equipment that requires the A-Tick instead of the C-Tick. As has been mentioned in a couple of the replies, primarily the C-Tick is required
RE: C-Tick vs. A-Tick
Hi Ron, When you say the A-Tick signifies safety compliance according to the TLN, this is true but you need to be a little careful when you refer to safety compliance in Australia for telecom equipment. The safety of equipment supplied in Australia can be broken into 3 areas of legislation/regulations: * the Trade Practices Act requires any item supplied in Australia must be safe and fit for purpose - this is loosely interpreted to mean that the equipment should comply with the appropriate product safety standards or if no product safety standards exists then a generic safety standard; * the various Australian State and Territory Electrical Regulations essentially divides equipment into 2 groups. One being Declared Articles or Prescribed Articles (depending upon which State/Territory you are in) and Non-declared Articles. Formal approval from an Electrical Authority is required for Declared Articles. These are typically potentially high risk house-hold type appliances (washing machines, toasters, heaters etc but also includes external power supplies such as those used with laptop and similar equipment). For Non-declared Articles, they are still required to comply with a minimum safety standard, AS/NZS 3820, but are not required to apply for formal Electrical Authority approval; and then there is * the TLN which simply requires almost all equipment captured by the TLN comply with AS/NZS 60950-1. As such, I tend to reserve the phrase safety compliance for use in relation to the formal approval situation under the electrical regulations. With regard to your question about when a consolidated version of the TLN + the most recent amendment (i.e. Amdt1:2009) will be available, I spoke with the ACMA 2 days ago and they are hoping it will be on the ComLaw web site in a couple of days. It should have been there already but has been delayed for some reason. The ComLaw site is not under ACMA control. It is a separate combined legal/regulatory document publication site. Hope this helps Ron. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard, RPQ [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com] Sent: Friday, 12 February 2010 2:00 PM To: kevin.richard...@ieee.org Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: C-Tick vs. A-Tick Hi Kevin, You provided some good information, but the A-tick mark also signifies safety compliance according to the TLN. Also, do you know when the TLN is supposed to consolidate all of its amendments as the ACMA website states will happen soon? Just being curious here. I look forward to your reply. Best regards, Ron From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Richardson Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:16 PM To: Nic Johnson; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: C-Tick vs. A-Tick Nic, It is not possibly to simply describe all equipment that requires the A-Tick instead of the C-Tick. As has been mentioned in a couple of the replies, primarily the C-Tick is required to indicate compliance with EMC, EMR and radiocommunications compliance, if such compliance is applicable. The A-Tick is used to indicate compliance with Australian telecommunications regulations, again if indeed the equipment is captured by those regulations. The Telecommunications Labelling Notice (TLN) specifies which categories of equipment are captured under the regulations and therefore those types of equipment that are required to be labelled with the A-Tick. This can be rather tricky however. some equipment may not in themselves be telecom type equipment but if for example
RE: C-Tick vs. A-Tick
Hi Kevin, You provided some good information, but the A-tick mark also signifies safety compliance according to the TLN. Also, do you know when the TLN is supposed to consolidate all of its amendments as the ACMA website states will happen soon? Just being curious here. I look forward to your reply. Best regards, Ron From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Richardson Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:16 PM To: Nic Johnson; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: C-Tick vs. A-Tick Nic, It is not possibly to simply describe all equipment that requires the A-Tick instead of the C-Tick. As has been mentioned in a couple of the replies, primarily the C-Tick is required to indicate compliance with EMC, EMR and radiocommunications compliance, if such compliance is applicable. The A-Tick is used to indicate compliance with Australian telecommunications regulations, again if indeed the equipment is captured by those regulations. The Telecommunications Labelling Notice (TLN) specifies which categories of equipment are captured under the regulations and therefore those types of equipment that are required to be labelled with the A-Tick. This can be rather tricky however. some equipment may not in themselves be telecom type equipment but if for example they include an extension port for example that could be used for the connection of an external telephone of fax machine etc then the equipment is indeed captured. You really need to look at the TLN. All telecommunications equipment would also be captured by at least the EMC regulations and possible EMR and radiocommunications as well. There is no need to place both the A-Tick and C-Tick marks on any equipment however. The A-Tick mark, in addition to indicating compliance with telecom regulations, also signifies compliance with EMC. EMR and radiocommunications if applicable. Hope this helps. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Nic Johnson Sent: Friday, 12 February 2010 2:18 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C-Tick vs. A-Tick Can anyone help to clarify the scope of an C-Tick vs. a A-Tick for Australia? Does an A-Tick apply to wireless digital devices or just equipment connected to a telecommunications network? Would this apply to any equipment with a modem or network port? Thanks. Nic Johnson - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request
RE: C-Tick vs. A-Tick
Nic, It is not possibly to simply describe all equipment that requires the A-Tick instead of the C-Tick. As has been mentioned in a couple of the replies, primarily the C-Tick is required to indicate compliance with EMC, EMR and radiocommunications compliance, if such compliance is applicable. The A-Tick is used to indicate compliance with Australian telecommunications regulations, again if indeed the equipment is captured by those regulations. The Telecommunications Labelling Notice (TLN) specifies which categories of equipment are captured under the regulations and therefore those types of equipment that are required to be labelled with the A-Tick. This can be rather tricky however. some equipment may not in themselves be telecom type equipment but if for example they include an extension port for example that could be used for the connection of an external telephone of fax machine etc then the equipment is indeed captured. You really need to look at the TLN. All telecommunications equipment would also be captured by at least the EMC regulations and possible EMR and radiocommunications as well. There is no need to place both the A-Tick and C-Tick marks on any equipment however. The A-Tick mark, in addition to indicating compliance with telecom regulations, also signifies compliance with EMC. EMR and radiocommunications if applicable. Hope this helps. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Nic Johnson Sent: Friday, 12 February 2010 2:18 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C-Tick vs. A-Tick Can anyone help to clarify the scope of an C-Tick vs. a A-Tick for Australia? Does an A-Tick apply to wireless digital devices or just equipment connected to a telecommunications network? Would this apply to any equipment with a modem or network port? Thanks. Nic Johnson - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Fw: Re: C-Tick vs. A-Tick
--- On Thu, 2/11/10, peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: C-Tick vs. A-Tick To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org, Nic Johnson njohn...@nceelabs.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 8:03 AM Nic, C-Tick applies to electrical and electronic products and covers emc. Wireless devices are also covered under C-Tick A-Tick covers devices connected to the telecommunication network but some combination products such as wireless ADSL modem having radio/telecom interface must also comply with A-Tick. Regards, Peter Merguerian Go Global Compliance Inc. Tracy, CA (925) 487-4640 e-mail: pe...@goglobalcompliance.com h tp://us.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pe...@goglobalcompliance.com --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Nic Johnson njohn...@nceelabs.com wrote: From: Nic Johnson njohn...@nceelabs.com Subject: C-Tick vs. A-Tick To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 7:18 AM Can anyone help to clarify the scope of an C-Tick vs. a A-Tick for Australia? Does an A-Tick apply to wireless digital devices or just equipment connected to a telecommunications network? Would this apply to any equipment with a modem or network port? Thanks. Nic Johnson - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org http://us.mc1135.ma l.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com h tp://us.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org htt ://us.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org http:// s.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com http:// s.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Fw: Re: C-Tick vs. A-Tick
--- On Thu, 2/11/10, peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: C-Tick vs. A-Tick To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org, Nic Johnson njohn...@nceelabs.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 8:03 AM Nic, C-Tick applies to electrical and electronic products and covers emc. Wireless devices are also covered under C-Tick A-Tick covers devices connected to the telecommunication network but some combination products such as wireless ADSL modem having radio/telecom interface must also comply with A-Tick. Regards, Peter Merguerian Go Global Compliance Inc. Tracy, CA (925) 487-4640 (925) 487-4640 e-mail: pe...@goglobalcompliance.com h tp://us.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pe...@goglobalcompliance.com http://globalcompliance.blogspot.com http://globalcompliance.blogspot.com/ --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Nic Johnson njohn...@nceelabs.com wrote: From: Nic Johnson njohn...@nceelabs.com Subject: C-Tick vs. A-Tick To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 7:18 AM Can anyone help to clarify the scope of an C-Tick vs. a A-Tick for Australia? Does an A-Tick apply to wireless digital devices or just equipment connected to a telecommunications network? Would this apply to any equipment with a modem or network port? Thanks. Nic Johnson - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org http://us.mc1135.ma l.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com h tp://us.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org htt ://us.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org http:// s.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com http:// s.mc1135.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: C-Tick vs. A-Tick
Nic, C-Tick applies to electrical and electronic products and covers emc. Wireless devices are also covered under C-Tick A-Tick covers devices connected to the telecommunication network but some combination products such as wireless ADSL modem having radio/telecom interface must also comply with A-Tick. Regards, Peter Merguerian Go Global Compliance Inc. Tracy, CA (925) 487-4640 e-mail: pe...@goglobalcompliance.com http://globalcompliance.blogspot.com --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Nic Johnson njohn...@nceelabs.com wrote: From: Nic Johnson njohn...@nceelabs.com Subject: C-Tick vs. A-Tick To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 7:18 AM Can anyone help to clarify the scope of an C-Tick vs. a A-Tick for Australia? Does an A-Tick apply to wireless digital devices or just equipment connected to a telecommunications network? Would this apply to any equipment with a modem or network port? Thanks. Nic Johnson - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: C-Tick vs. A-Tick
generic wireless stuff (802.11X) - c-tick required mixed technologies (eg, RF modem) - a-tick 'more' relevant In general, a-tick is indicated if end-use will be connected to network operated by a carrier/service provider. I am certain the ACMA website talks about this, but I could be wrong; or I could be incorrect, or not. Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Nic Johnson Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:18 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C-Tick vs. A-Tick Can anyone help to clarify the scope of an C-Tick vs. a A-Tick for Australia? Does an A-Tick apply to wireless digital devices or just equipment connected to a telecommunications network? Would this apply to any equipment with a modem or network port? Thanks. Nic Johnson - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: C-Tick vs. A-Tick
Nic, Please take a look at the following: http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_2796 Best Regards, John Nic Johnson njohn...@nceelabs.com Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org 02/11/2010 10:18 AM To emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject C-Tick vs. A-Tick Can anyone help to clarify the scope of an C-Tick vs. a A-Tick for Australia? Does an A-Tick apply to wireless digital devices or just equipment connected to a telecommunications network? Would this apply to any equipment with a modem or network port? Thanks. Nic Johnson - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com mailto:emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com mailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: C-Tick DoC for reseller products
Hi Jim, You should only need one C-Tick compliance mark on a product. However, you could have a situation where there is a single overseas manufacturer and several Australian suppliers. In this case each Australian supplier may have to mark their imports with their own supplier ID. The alternative is for the overseas manufacturer to arrange for a single Australian agent to sign the declaration and use the agent's supplier ID. Then any Australian company can import the product without having to sign a declaration or apply their C-Tick. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (The Electrical Equipment Compliance Professionals) 281 Lawrence Rd Mount Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: 613 9886 1345 Fax: 613 9013 9552 - Original Message - From: Knighten, Jim L mailto:jim.knigh...@teradata.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Friday, 29 May 2009 5:49 AM Subject: C-Tick DoC for reseller products Hi, The c-tick Declaration of Conformity is a supplier’s DoC, not a manufacturer’s DoC. Nevertheless, if I am re-selling a product into Australia/New Zealand and that product’s manufacturer has a c-tick mark on the product and a DoC, am I as the importer required to issue my own DoC for the product? One would think so. Following this line of reasoning, am I required to produce the manufacturer’s test report (which I probably have difficulty in obtaining) within 10 working days, or is a copy of the manufacturer’s c-tick DoC (which he is more willing to share with me) sufficient for my c-tick compliance records? Thanks, Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: C-Tick mark on spares?
Jim, Below is part of the exemptions from the new labelling notice. 7 A spare part that has: (a) identical specifications to the device it is to replace; or (b) the same radiofrequency emission characteristics as that device 8 A component, except a component that is an assembly of components that forms part of a finished device 9 A device that is for incorporation into another device and is not to be supplied to an end-user. From these exemptions I would say that the chassis that is a replacement does not need its own C-Tick as long as it not sold as a separate product. Please let me know if I can help you further with Australian and/or New Zealand or other dcountry regulations. You can e-mail me direct at my TUV Rheinland address pmerguer...@us.tuv.com or call me at (925) 249-9123 Extension 134 Thanks, Peter --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com wrote: From: Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com Subject: C-Tick mark on spares? To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:09 AM I have a question about the c-tick mark for Australia and New Zealand. My company’s hardware products are typically racks of IT equipment that are largely integrations of other companies’ products, i.e., servers, switches, storage, UPS, etc. We test and apply the c-tick mark on our products on the product label on our rack. Some of our individual chassis have a c-tick mark and some do not (either the chassis manufacturer does not apply for c-tick, or it is a chassis that we make that is only sold as a component in the overall product). Regarding spares: If we ship spare chassis as a replacement into a c-tick country, does that chassis need its own c-tick mark? Or, is having a c-tick mark on the larger product that encompasses the chassis sufficient? I appreciate your collective wisdom and experience. Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: C-Tick mark on spares?
Peter, Excellent! Thanks. Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) From: peter merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:53 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; Knighten, Jim L Subject: Re: C-Tick mark on spares? Jim, Below is part of the exemptions from the new labelling notice. 7 A spare part that has: (a) identical specifications to the device it is to replace; or (b) the same radiofrequency emission characteristics as that device 8 A component, except a component that is an assembly of components that forms part of a finished device 9 A device that is for incorporation into another device and is not to be supplied to an end-user. From these exemptions I would say that the chassis that is a replacement does not need its own C-Tick as long as it not sold as a separate product. Please let me know if I can help you further with Australian and/or New Zealand or other dcountry regulations. You can e-mail me direct at my TUV Rheinland address pmerguer...@us.tuv.com or call me at (925) 249-9123 Extension 134 Thanks, Peter --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com wrote: From: Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com Subject: C-Tick mark on spares? To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:09 AM I have a question about the c-tick mark for Australia and New Zealand. My company’s hardware products are typically racks of IT equipment that are largely integrations of other companies’ products, i.e., servers, switches, storage, UPS, etc. We test and apply the c-tick mark on our products on the product label on our rack. Some of our individual chassis have a c-tick mark and some do not (either the chassis manufacturer does not apply for c-tick, or it is a chassis that we make that is only sold as a component in the overall product). Regarding spares: If we ship spare chassis as a replacement into a c-tick country, does that chassis need its own c-tick mark? Or, is having a c-tick mark on the larger product that encompasses the chassis sufficient? I appreciate your collective wisdom and experience. Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: C-Tick mark on spares?
Jim, I would agree with Peter's advice. Item 7 is the relevant exemption (under Schedule 2 of the EMC Labelling Notice) providing, as Peter say, it is only supplied as a spare part for the original equipment. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email: kevin.richard...@stanimore.com URL: www.stanimore.com This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Knighten, Jim L Sent: Friday, 16 January 2009 11:11 AM To: pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: C-Tick mark on spares? Peter, Excellent! Thanks. Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) From: peter merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:53 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; Knighten, Jim L Subject: Re: C-Tick mark on spares? Jim, Below is part of the exemptions from the new labelling notice. 7 A spare part that has: (a) identical specifications to the device it is to replace; or (b) the same radiofrequency emission characteristics as that device 8 A component, except a component that is an assembly of components that forms part of a finished device 9 A device that is for incorporation into another device and is not to be supplied to an end-user. From these exemptions I would say that the chassis that is a replacement does not need its own C-Tick as long as it not sold as a separate product. Please let me know if I can help you further with Australian and/or New Zealand or other dcountry regulations. You can e-mail me direct at my TUV Rheinland address pmerguer...@us.tuv.com or call me at (925) 249-9123 Extension 134 Thanks, Peter --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com wrote: From: Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com Subject: C-Tick mark on spares? To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:09 AM I have a question about the c-tick mark for Australia and New Zealand. My company’s hardware products are typically racks of IT equipment that are largely integrations of other companies’ products, i.e., servers, switches, storage, UPS, etc. We test and apply the c-tick mark on our products on the product label on our rack. Some of our individual chassis have a c-tick mark and some do not (either the chassis manufacturer does not apply for c-tick, or it is a chassis that we make that is only sold as a component in the overall product). Regarding spares: If we ship spare chassis as a replacement into a c-tick country, does that chassis need its own c-tick mark? Or, is having a c-tick mark on the larger product that encompasses the chassis sufficient? I appreciate your collective wisdom and experience. Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: c-tick DoC
Well, I answered my own question. There is a page that includes both the pdf (locked) version and an rtf version of the C-Tick Supplier’s Declaration of Conformity. http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_310704 Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Knighten, Jim L Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:46 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: c-tick DoC Does anyone have a c-tick supplier’s Declaration of Conformity template that can be filled out on a computer, i.e., information added to it electronically? The only one I find on the ACMA website is a locked pdf that cannot have information added to it electronically. http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/ma n/lib310117/c02-suppliers_declaration_of_conformity.pdf http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/m in/lib310117/c02-suppliers_declaration_of_conformity.pdf Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: C-tick approvals
I just went through this and most domestic certification labs either have or work with reps down under. I explored finding an AU rep independently of a domestic lab and found that it's much easier and cheaper to use a domestic cert lab to file the paperwork. From: Michael Garretson michael.garret...@radisys.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 3:17:48 PM Subject: C-tick approvals Greetings listmembers, I have a request to obtain C-Tick approvals for a computer platform we manufacture. I have been told that we need to have i n-country representation in order to secure and maintain this approval. We don¢t currently have offices there and don¢t intend to work with a distributor. Our sales will be directly to a multinational company who will deploy and support it. If my customer isn¢t keen on owning the cert, what are my options? Michael Garretson Compliance Engineer Work: +1 503 615-1515 Fax: +1 503 615-1285 Email: michael.garret...@radisys.com mailto:michael.garret...@radisys.com RadiSys Corporation 5445 NW Dawson Creek Dr http://maps.google.com/maps?q=5445+NW+ awson+Creek+Dr%2CHillsboro%2COR+97124%2CUSAhl=en Hillsboro , OR 97124 USA See who we know in common http://www.linkedin. com/e/wwk/10327925/ Want a signature like this? http://www.linkedin.com/e/sig/10327925/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, sen d your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: C-tick approvals
Hi Michael, There are agents both in Australia and New Zealand that you can use for this. They would then issue the declaration, and hold the compliance folder, and you could mark your product with the C-Tick together with the agent’s supplier code. They will charge you an up front fee, and an annual fee thereafter to maintain the folder. You can probably google around for agents. One that I have seen used a lot for ITE in my previous job is Qualsure Consultants. There are quite a few others also. Useful information at these sites: http://www.acma.gov.au/web/STANDARD//pc%3DPC_100964 http://www.acma.gov.au/web/STANDARD/pc%3DPC_100964 http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legisla ion/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/0037BC 72B3EF925CA2573E1000FA6AC/$file/RadcomLabellingElectromagCompNotice2008.pdf Scott Aldous Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Tel: 970-407-6872 Fax: 970-407-5872 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Michael Garretson Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:18 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C-tick approvals Greetings listmembers, I have a request to obtain C-Tick approvals for a computer platform we manufacture. I have been told that we need to have in-country representation in order to secure and maintain this approval. We don’t currently have offices there and don’t intend to work with a distributor. Our sales will be directly to a multinational company who will deploy and support it. If my customer isn’t keen on owning the cert, what are my options? Michael Garretson Compliance Engineer Work: +1 503 615-1515 Fax: +1 503 615-1285 Email: michael.garret...@radisys.com mailto:michael.garret...@radisys.com RadiSys Corporation 5445 NW Dawson Creek Dr http://maps.google.com/maps?q=5445+NW+ awson+Creek+Dr%2CHillsboro%2COR+97124%2CUSAhl=en Hillsboro, OR 97124 USA See who we know in common http://www.linkedin.com/e/wwk/10327925/ Want a signature like this? http://www.linkedin.com/e/sig/10327925/ This message, including any attachments, may contain information that is confidential and proprietary information of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. The dissemination, distribution, use or copying of this message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited without the express written consent of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: C-tick approvals
Michael, Under Australian product compliance legislation/regulations anyone importing a product into Australia is responsible for the compliance of that device with all applicable compliance regulations. As such, if you do not have a local office then each and every importer of your product is responsible for the compliance of the product they import and supply into the Australian market. Australian product compliance regulations allow an importer to appoint an Agent, by way of written agreement, to assume responsibility for compliance. this is the only alternative. There is no recognition under the Australian regulations of any relationship/agreement of any one in Australia with the overseas supplier. For more information on arrangements concerning Agents you may wish to review the information at www.stanimore.com/agent.htm Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Michael Garretson Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2008 8:18 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C-tick approvals Greetings listmembers, I have a request to obtain C-Tick approvals for a computer platform we manufacture. I have been told that we need to have in-country representation in order to secure and maintain this approval. We don’t currently have offices there and don’t intend to work with a distributor. Our sales will be directly to a multinational company who will deploy and support it. If my customer isn’t keen on owning the cert, what are my options? Michael Garretson Compliance Engineer Work: +1 503 615-1515 Fax: +1 503 615-1285 Email: michael.garret...@radisys.com mailto:michael.garret...@radisys.com RadiSys Corporation 5445 NW Dawson Creek Dr http://maps.google.com/maps?q=5445+NW+ awson+Creek+Dr%2CHillsboro%2COR+97124%2CUSAhl=en Hillsboro, OR 97124 USA See who we know in common http://www.linkedin.com/e/wwk/10327925/ Want a signature like this? http://www.linkedin.com/e/sig/10327925/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: C-Tick registration
Alex, Australian product compliance regulations require the local manufacturer or the importer or the local manufacturer's or importer's appointed Agent assume responsibility for product compliance. The choices therefore are for your company to deal with each and every Australian importer of your product (do the compliance work with each and every one of them individually and also individually label product for each importer) or to engage the services of an Australian company offering Agent services and encourage each and every importer to sign an Agent agreement with that company. These companies offering Agent services are indeed private businesses. The advantages of the 2nd option are that the overseas supplier can: * remove the burden of product compliance from their Australian importers; * ensure they only need to do the compliance work with one company, the Agent; and * avoid the need to individually label product for each importer (ALL product can be labelled with the C-Tick and the Agent's C-tick registration number (Supplier Code Number). If you require more information please visit the Stanimore web site at www.stanimore.com/agent.htm or email me off line at one of my email addresses below Alex. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Alex Horvath Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2007 7:51 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C-Tick registration I'm not a compliance engineer so excuse the poor terminology... I have a FCC/EU EMC report for a product that will be sold in Australia. We don't have an office in Australia that is registered with their regulatory agency. As I understand it, we need to pay a fee to an approved office to hold our report. Is there one entity that provides this service or are they private businesses that provide this service? Anyone know of any website(s) so we can get this started? Thanks - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: C-tick required for 12Vdc cigar lighter adapter?
Doug, I would suggest the regulated adapter would probably require C-Tick (i.e. captured by the Australian EMC regulations), this would of course depend on the internal components and circuity design. The non-regulated version however, I could not be sure about without seeing more detailed information about the internal components and circuitry. If it does not simply pass-through the DC from the vehicle socket to the GPS or PDA device and therefore contained any sort of electronics I would suggest it probably needs to comply also. If you have declared compliance with any European EMC standard for 1 or both of these devices then it is a fairly safe bet you need to comply with C-Tick requirements for Australia also but it is also fairly safe to assume that the same European test report would be acceptable in Australia. NOTE: If it can be demonstrated that any device has a power consumption not exceeding 6 nanowatts then that device is exempt from C-Tick requirements. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email: kevin.richard...@stanimore.com URL: www.stanimore.com This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Kealey, Doug Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 11:33 AM To: IEEE EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: C-tick required for 12Vdc cigar lighter adapter? Hello Everyone, My question is whether an adapter for the dc outlet in a vehicle needs to have a C-tick mark on it. The question applies to 2 flavors of adapters that we ship: voltage regulating and non-regulated output. The battery charging circuit is in the portable Garmin GPS or PDA device, not in the adapter. I always appreciate the responses from the group. Thanks, Doug Kealey Compliance Engineer Garmin International Inc. http://www.garmin.com/ 913-440-5210 doug.kea...@garmin.com This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: C-Tick Artwork
Bob, Go to the following URL. There's a link there to 'Downloadable Compliance Marks' http://www.austel.gov.au/standards/index.htm GE Interlogix John A. Juhasz Fiber Options Div. Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:49 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: C-Tick Artwork Does anyone know if Australian C-Tick electronic artwork is publically available for downloading from the Web? I did not find anything on the ACA website. Thank you, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: C-Tick Artwork
Hi Bob, Try this link!! It's a good resource for such issues. http://www.safetylink.com/ http://www.safetylink.com/ Regards, Ron Baugh VeriFone, Inc. -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [SMTP:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 6:49 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:C-Tick Artwork Does anyone know if Australian C-Tick electronic artwork is publically available for downloading from the Web? I did not find anything on the ACA website. Thank you, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: C-Tick Artwork
For downloadable marks: http://www.aca.gov.au/standards/marks.htm ACA website: http://www.aca.gov.au/index/default.htm Thanks- Mark Maynard Regulatory Engineering Consultant WW Regulatory Investigations Globalization Department WW Regulatory Compliance Environmental Affairs Dell Computer Corporation Mail Stop 6630 · One Dell Way · Round Rock, Texas 78682 direct 512.728.3329 · fax 512.728.5278 · cell 512.468.6275 email: mark_mayn...@dell.com There are two kinds of people, those who do the work and those who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there's less competition there. - Indira Gandhi -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:49 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: C-Tick Artwork Does anyone know if Australian C-Tick electronic artwork is publically available for downloading from the Web? I did not find anything on the ACA website. Thank you, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: C-Tick importer variation
Koh, To expand on Dick Shultz's comments, the importer is ultimately responsible for ensuring compliance with EMC in Australia (Compliance Folder, DoC etc). You can work in both ways you outlined in your original questions: a) leave the original N555 label on providing you take certain measures; or b) have the N123 label put on. For a) above you would need to follow the basic procedure outlined by Dick but I would clarify this by the following. Providing agreement is gained, in writing, from another organisation already importing the same product into Australia that they will act as agent for your organisation in terms of responsibility for EMC compliance of the product (maintain the Compliance Folder, sign the DoC etc) this is acceptable. You need to keep a copy of the written agreement. You are not required to complete a DoC. Any changes to the product (brand name, model etc or change in engineering design) are acceptable PROVIDING those changes are clearly addressed (explained and continued compliance justified) in the Agent's Compliance Folder AND DoC. If the name change of model change or engineering change is not specifically covered by the test reports etc then the normal method is as Dick suggested, ie provide a signed attestation confirming your product is the same etc. This would also be done by the Agent. As you can see, by agreement to act as Agent that organisation is assuming full responsibility for that product's compliance in Australia, when sold by your organisation. For b) above, your organisation would be responsible for all compliance issues if your label is on the product (ie N123). This means the Compliance Folder, DoC etc. These must all be established and maintained by your organisation. In this instance you would normally gain agreement from the supplier/manufacturer that they can provide you with test reports etc for inclusion in your Compliance Folder. If because a a name change for your particular organisation etc or different model numbers were used to those detailed in the test report then your organisation would require, for inclusion in your Compliance Folder, a signed attestation from the supplier/manufacturer that the products you will be selling are the same as those tested etc. As with all issues regulatory, everywhere, it is always the finer points and subtleties of the legislation/regulation which give rise to questions! Product Variations The documentation in the Compliance Folder must identify the product in question. As such, if the product name or model number is different to that detailed in the test report or the product is modified etc AND providing those changes do not adversely impact the EMC characteristics of the device, a signed attestation to that effect is all that is required to be included in the Compliance Folder. Hope this helps. Best regards, Kevin Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) with ESMTP id PAA15217; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25508; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:49:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: 9903022053.aa18...@ibmserver.admin.brooktrout.com Subject: RE: C-Tick importer variation Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:51:24 -0500 X-Sender: r...@nhmail1.brooktrout.com X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Dick Shultz r...@brooktrout.com To: koh...@cyberway.com.sg, emc-p...@ieee.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Dick Shultz r...@brooktrout.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Koh, You can continue to import product with the N555 code on it if your importer (N123) has a written agreement with importer N555 to do so. Your importer will need to maintain this letter in his files for ACA audits. I know that this has come up recently and that the ACA has accepted this procedure, in fact they have required it. Check with them. Dick Shultz On 3/2/99 8:36 AM WOODS, RICHARD wo...@sensormatic.com said OEM devices may be imported by more than one company. Each importer is responsible for filing their own application, having their own approval, applying the c-tick mark, and issuing a DoC. One importer cannot use the markings of another importer. Either the OEM or the importer may apply the label. Each importer can use the test data from the OEM. If the model number on the product differs from the one on the test report, the OEM should issue a declaration of identity stating that the two products are identical. -- From: kohscp [SMTP:koh
RE: C Tick..
Best person to consult with is Kevin Richardson in Australia. His address follows. He has helped us out and I highly recommend his services. His URL is: 100356@compuserve.com Dave George Unisys -Original Message- From: UMBDENSTOCK, DON [mailto:umbdenst...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 8:13 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; 'Sparacino,George' Subject: RE: C Tick.. George, See Comments below. -- From: Sparacino,George[SMTP:sparaci...@andovercontrols.com] Reply To: Sparacino,George Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 4:25 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C Tick.. Good day, I was asked to investigate what is required to obtain the C tick for our products. Our products have been evaluated to the applicable stds as prescribed by the EMC directive for ITE equipment (emissions immunity). My Questions: I understand that the c tick marking is a required marking of EMC approval for electronic devices. Does this cover both emissions immunity ? or just emissions ? Just emissions. Can I request applications myself (I'm in the USA) or do I need an Australian rep to do this ? An Australian National must make the initial application that assigns a number to your products via the importer or the Australian branch of your company. This number is part of the C-tick mark logo placed on each product. Could I present my existing reports / certificates (created to satisfy EMC directive), or am I required to generate new ones in a specified (ACA) report format. Your existing reports are sufficient to be legal. However, in the case of conflict, the results of an Australian lab have the final say. Thanks for any help you can give me. George Good luck, Don Umbdenstock Sensormatic The comments above are my opinions and do not necessarily reflect that of my company. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: C Tick..
The MRA with Australia is currently in force..and A2LA (AALA) and NVLAP are both signatories. === = Jim Hulbert hulbe...@pb.com on 03/01/99 01:35:29 PM Please respond to Jim Hulbert hulbe...@pb.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org cc:(bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: RE: C Tick.. One further note: I believe a U.S. lab that is accredited by either AALA or NVLAP is considered a certified lab under mutual recognition agreement. However, I'm not sure of the current status of the MRA. Jim Hulbert Pitney Bowes -- Forwarded by Jim Hulbert/MSD/US/PBI on 03/01/99 02:33 PM --- From: WOODS RICHARD wo...@sensormatic.com AT SMTPGWY on 03/01/99 08:58 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org AT SMTPGWY@pbiccmail, 'Sparacino George' sparaci...@andovercontrols.com AT SMTPGWY@pbiccmail cc:(bcc: Jim Hulbert/MSD/US/PBI) Subject: RE: C Tick.. George you can find a complete description of the requirements at http://www.sma.gov.au/ http://www.sma.gov.au/ . Only emissions are required. The person residing in Australia and responsible for placing the product on the market is responsible for making the application. Reports are not required to be submitted, but must be available for inspection. Existing reports are acceptable, however, the authorities have the right to accept reports only from certified labs. -- From: Sparacino,George [SMTP:sparaci...@andovercontrols.com] Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 4:26 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C Tick.. Good day, I was asked to investigate what is required to obtain the C tick for our products. Our products have been evaluated to the applicable stds as prescribed by the EMC directive for ITE equipment (emissions immunity). My Questions: I understand that the c tick marking is a required marking of EMC approval for electronic devices. Does this cover both emissions immunity ? or just emissions ? Can I request applications myself (I'm in the USA) or do I need an Australian rep to do this ? Could I present my existing reports / certificates (created to satisfy EMC directive), or am I required to generate new ones in a specified (ACA) report format. Thanks for any help you can give me. George - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). RFC822.TXT Description: Text - character set unknown
RE: C-Tick importer variation
Koh, You can continue to import product with the N555 code on it if your importer (N123) has a written agreement with importer N555 to do so. Your importer will need to maintain this letter in his files for ACA audits. I know that this has come up recently and that the ACA has accepted this procedure, in fact they have required it. Check with them. Dick Shultz On 3/2/99 8:36 AM WOODS, RICHARD wo...@sensormatic.com said OEM devices may be imported by more than one company. Each importer is responsible for filing their own application, having their own approval, applying the c-tick mark, and issuing a DoC. One importer cannot use the markings of another importer. Either the OEM or the importer may apply the label. Each importer can use the test data from the OEM. If the model number on the product differs from the one on the test report, the OEM should issue a declaration of identity stating that the two products are identical. -- From: kohscp [SMTP:koh...@cyberway.com.sg] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 12:08 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C-Tick importer variation Hi, I have a doubts here regarding the Australia EMC framework. Electronic products importing into AS/NZ requires to comply to EMI (emission) requirement and the respsonble party need to declare the DoC. He would need to hold the DoC with supporting documents. Test reports from recognise test house would be preferred. Let narrow down to the following assumption. The electronic product does not have connection to telephone network and no AC power input. The responsible party be an importer. And all products from my company is imported thru them. The test house is either NATA accredited or having MRA with NATA accreditation. The C-Tick mark is having supplier code used on the label. Now the situation is that our importer has registered with ACA(say having N123). We are purchasing/OEM products from supplier A. The supplier A is having their Australian importer (say N555) on the product label. What are my options for importing the product into AS/NZ in respect to which supplier code to use. Questions: 1) Are we allow to use N555? If yes, what documents, proof or/and letters do we need from the supplier? 2) Do our importer needs to declare the DoC? 3) If we are requesting the supplier to change the brandname on the product label, is N555 still applicable? How about change of model # too? 4) If we are to remove N555 on the product and use N123, is re-testing required? 5) If there's product non-conformance found in the market, who will be the responsible one? Who would be audited, and for worst case, who would be fine? Your feedback/advice is much appreciated. Regards Koh - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: C Tick..
George, See Comments below. -- From: Sparacino,George[SMTP:sparaci...@andovercontrols.com] Reply To: Sparacino,George Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 4:25 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C Tick.. Good day, I was asked to investigate what is required to obtain the C tick for our products. Our products have been evaluated to the applicable stds as prescribed by the EMC directive for ITE equipment (emissions immunity). My Questions: I understand that the c tick marking is a required marking of EMC approval for electronic devices. Does this cover both emissions immunity ? or just emissions ? Just emissions. Can I request applications myself (I'm in the USA) or do I need an Australian rep to do this ? An Australian National must make the initial application that assigns a number to your products via the importer or the Australian branch of your company. This number is part of the C-tick mark logo placed on each product. Could I present my existing reports / certificates (created to satisfy EMC directive), or am I required to generate new ones in a specified (ACA) report format. Your existing reports are sufficient to be legal. However, in the case of conflict, the results of an Australian lab have the final say. Thanks for any help you can give me. George Good luck, Don Umbdenstock Sensormatic The comments above are my opinions and do not necessarily reflect that of my company. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: C Tick..
Dear George, The changes in the Telecom and Radio Acts mean that there are now criminal penalties imposed upon the 'Permit Holder' [importer or (Australian) manufacturer] of equipment that breaches the conditions of the Acts. An example of the penalties are given below :- Extract from The tics Newsletter Vol.1 Iss.2 Section 407 of the Telecommunications Act 1997 states that a penalty unit is equivalent to Aus$110 [see s4AA of the Crimes Act 1914], it also states that 1. A false declaration on the Approval Application Form by an individual is 100 penalty units and 500 penalty units for a corporation. 2. If found guilty of supplying unlabelled customer equipment, the 'Permit Holder' is punishable on conviction of a fine not exceeding 100 penalty units. 3. If found guilty of supplying labelled customer equipment before meeting any of the requirements under Section 408(5) of the Act, the 'Permit Holder' will face a fine not exceeding 100 penalty units. 4. If found guilty of failing to retain records of the approved customer equipment, the 'Permit Holder' will face a fine not exceeding 100 penalty units. 5. If found guilty of applying labels to the approved customer equipment which contain false statements about compliance with standards, the 'Permit Holder' will face a fine not exceeding 120 penalty units. (Currently equal to Aus$13,200) You mentioned ITE, what exactly are you intending to import as there may be additional compliance areas you may need to consider. The type of equipment will also determine whether third party test reports are mandatory. Only EMC Emissions are currently required, testing of ITE Telecoms equipment to AS/NZ 3548 must be performed by a suitably accredited RTA (NATA Recognised Testing Authority). You will also need to consider AS/NZ 3260 (equiv. IEC 950) and TS 001 if your product is Telecom related. Test reports must be held in the compliance folder and made available for inspection by the appropriate regional office of the ACA. My company European Technology Services (Australia) Pty Ltd operate an Australian Agency Service (AAStm) which takes on the legal representation liabilities for Australia and ultimately act as the competent engineering function required by the ACA. The advantage of having an independent organisation, with none of the usual commercial hang-ups associated with distributors, is that you only have one supplier code number to apply and only one set of compliance documentation to update. Leaving the distribution channels open to ship product. You may wish to browse the ACA web site http://www.sma.gov.au/ for further confirmation of applicable requirements. Send me an email off-line if you need further guidance on the standards or compliance areas you will need to consider. Best regards, Edward Fitzgerald Director, European Technology Services Specialist Communications Compliance Consultancy With offices in the UK, Australia and Canada asia-pac.off...@ets-tele.com -Original Message- From: UMBDENSTOCK, DON [ mailto:umbdenst...@sensormatic.com] Sent: 01 March 1999 13:13 To: emc-p...@ieee.org; 'Sparacino,George' Subject: RE: C Tick.. George, See Comments below. -- From: Sparacino,George[SMTP:sparaci...@andovercontrols.com] Reply To: Sparacino,George Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 4:25 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C Tick.. Good day, I was asked to investigate what is required to obtain the C tick for our products. Our products have been evaluated to the applicable stds as prescribed by the EMC directive for ITE equipment (emissions immunity). My Questions: I understand that the c tick marking is a required marking of EMC approval for electronic devices. Does this cover both emissions immunity ? or just emissions ? Just emissions. Can I request applications myself (I'm in the USA) or do I need an Australian rep to do this ? An Australian National must make the initial application that assigns a number to your products via the importer or the Australian branch of your company. This number is part of the C-tick mark logo placed on each product. Could I present my existing reports / certificates (created to satisfy EMC directive), or am I required to generate new ones in a specified (ACA) report format. Your existing reports are sufficient to be legal. However, in the case of conflict, the results of an Australian lab have the final say. Thanks for any help you can give me. George Good luck, Don Umbdenstock Sensormatic The comments above are my opinions and do not necessarily reflect that of my company. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com
RE: C Tick..
One further note: I believe a U.S. lab that is accredited by either AALA or NVLAP is considered a certified lab under mutual recognition agreement. However, I'm not sure of the current status of the MRA. Jim Hulbert Pitney Bowes -- Forwarded by Jim Hulbert/MSD/US/PBI on 03/01/99 02:33 PM --- From: WOODS RICHARD wo...@sensormatic.com AT SMTPGWY on 03/01/99 08:58 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org AT SMTPGWY@pbiccmail, 'Sparacino George' sparaci...@andovercontrols.com AT SMTPGWY@pbiccmail cc:(bcc: Jim Hulbert/MSD/US/PBI) Subject: RE: C Tick.. George you can find a complete description of the requirements at http://www.sma.gov.au/ http://www.sma.gov.au/ . Only emissions are required. The person residing in Australia and responsible for placing the product on the market is responsible for making the application. Reports are not required to be submitted, but must be available for inspection. Existing reports are acceptable, however, the authorities have the right to accept reports only from certified labs. -- From: Sparacino,George [SMTP:sparaci...@andovercontrols.com] Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 4:26 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C Tick.. Good day, I was asked to investigate what is required to obtain the C tick for our products. Our products have been evaluated to the applicable stds as prescribed by the EMC directive for ITE equipment (emissions immunity). My Questions: I understand that the c tick marking is a required marking of EMC approval for electronic devices. Does this cover both emissions immunity ? or just emissions ? Can I request applications myself (I'm in the USA) or do I need an Australian rep to do this ? Could I present my existing reports / certificates (created to satisfy EMC directive), or am I required to generate new ones in a specified (ACA) report format. Thanks for any help you can give me. George - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). RFC822.TXT Description: Text - character set unknown
RE: C-Tick Mark and GTEM
Only emissions compliance is required. You can find the complete set of EMC rules at http://www.sma.gov.au/. -- From: roger...@astec-asia.com [SMTP:roger...@astec-asia.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 9:22 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C-Tick Mark and GTEM What are the EMC requirements for applying C-Tick Marking for Power Supply Unit for information technology equipment? Is it only Conducted and Radiated emissions? Has anybody ever used the GTEM emissions results as the official results to apply any of the EMC marks? (like CE, FCC, C-Tick, or BCIQ etc) Thanks and Regards, Roger Hsu - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: C-Tick Mark, For NZ Too?
At 05:12 PM 9/18/98 -0500, you wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but is the C-Tick Mark (Australia's EMC Framework) required for New Zealand too? Based on what I have available, the Framework is an Australian regulation, though the standards (prefaced AS/NZS) happen to be aligned (harmonized?) on a regional basis between the two countries. Eric - From what I have been able to read on the NZ Ministry of Commerce website the EMC-Framework is to be adopted by New Zealand to form a Trans-Tasman EMC network in January 1999. There are some minor differences, but the scheme will allow manufacturers to register to use the C-Tick mark in either New Zealand or Australia. Once registered they can apply C-tick mark (subject to the declaration of conformity etc etc per the current Australian regime) and market products in both countries. Currently New Zealand has a slightly different approach, involving certification fees. I sugest you look at the Ministry's website which has lots of documents to download. I can look up the URL if you have difficulties finding it. Mark mbri...@elliotlabs.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: C-Tick Mark, For NZ Too?
Eric, NZ has EMC regulations, but It is not compulsory to mark the equipment. On 1 Jan 1999 they plan to harmonise with the Australian C-tick regs. This means that you will be able to use a single compliance folder and C-tick mark for both countries. Regards Barry Esmore Forgive my ignorance, but is the C-Tick Mark (Australia's EMC Framework) required for New Zealand too? Based on what I have available, the Framework is an Australian regulation, though the standards (prefaced AS/NZS) happen to be aligned (harmonized?) on a regional basis between the two countries. Regards, Eric Lifsey Compliance Engineer/Manager National Instruments - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: C-Tick mark
Bill, we just received our official copy of the file that describes the C-tick mark. It is strickly a graphics file with no dimensional infomation whatsoever. Very disapointing! Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics -- From: b...@lyons.demon.co.uk To: ch...@jna.com.au; glfra...@gambica.org.uk; amich...@connix.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: C-Tick mark List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, January 14, 1997 7:24PM In message pine.ult.3.95.970115070827.27600a-100...@clix.jna.com.au Chris Healy wrote: Perhaps some simple descriptions on markings in Australia is in order to clarify things. [snip] C-tick [snip] RCM [snip] N.B. almost all new electrical products require the C-tick or RCM, re. SMA information http://www.sma.gov.au Chris, Can you advise where definitive representations of the C-tick and RCM can be obtained? Quite a number of people (myself included) would like to know what they actually look like. Art Michael amich...@connix.com is one of those who have been asking this. Regards, Bill. -- Bill Lyons - b...@lyons.demon.co.uk / w.ly...@ieee.org
Re: C-Tick mark
Cortland, I checked the CKC site as you recommended below. The guidance on the C-tick mark to which you refer is out-of-date. CKC's document is based on the July 1995 edition of the EMC Frameworks. The SMA made major amendments to the Framework in March 1996. One of these revisions removes the RCM from the frameworks and removes the restriction on the use of the C-tick mark as published in July 1995. The current revision of the EMC Frameworks is available directly from the SMA at the SMA Web site: http://www.sma.gov.au. Given that it is Jan. 1997 and the CKC Web site information is still at the 1995 revision level, I question how timely their information really is. David - Previous Message To: emc-pstc @ ieee.org @ SMTP1 georgea @ lexmark.com @ SMTP1 cc: From: Cortland.Richmond-CC @ ccmailsmtp.ast.com @ SMTP1 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday January 14, 1997 08:50 AM Subject: Re: C-Tick mark -- Folks, By coincidence, I've just received CKC labs BROADBAND' sheet for December, 1996, in which they do address the Australian standards, both the Regulatory Compliance Mark and the C-Tick. It appears ITE may fall under the Regulatory Compliance Mark rather than needing C-Tick. However, it's necessary to obtain permission from the Spectrum Management Agency to use the Regulatory Compliance Mark, as it's trademarked by them. CKC has more information available on this (Recommended Procedure for Use of The Australian Self-declaration Route) which I'll be requesting. The number published in their sheet is 800-500-4362, also they have a Web site listed, http://www.ckc.com. I'm not pushing CKC or any other lab, but this information is rather timely. Cortland __ Reply Separator _ Subject: C-Tick mark Author: George Alspaugh geor...@lexmark.com at internet List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:1/14/97 6:05 Chaz asked: I have a question regarding the labelling of ITE products vis-a-vis the new Austrailian regs.. The SMA guide document calls out a Regulatory Compliance Mark the C-Tick mark. Which one should I use? Here is my understanding. C-tick is for EMC. T-tick is for safety. RCM is for both EMC and safety. Some products require only C-tick mark. Some require only a safety mark. For example, assume low-end printer powered by external AC adaptor provided only with printer. Printer needs C-tick to signify system EMC compliance. Adaptor needs only safety mark. I sense that RCM mark is preferred over T-tick, even where only safety is an issue. RCM is mark of choice where both EMC and safety are an issue. ( See Chris Healy's prior append below). Note that SMA is concerned only with spectrum management, a la FCC in USA. George Alspaugh Lexmark International /// Electrical Safety regulators in Australia require certification for adaptors (Plug-pacs). To my knowledge the use of the Standards Australia T-tick mark has been or is being phased out. It was only acceptable for certification by the New South Wales regulator. Some caution is required as some types of external power supplies require regulator approval and some donot. All mains plugs do require approval and therefore adaptors with intergrated mains plugs (plug-pacs) do require approval. The actual requirement is for a Certificate of Approval from a regulator, who will impose a labeling requirement or allow very soon, if not already, the use of the Regulatory Compliance Mark (RCM) on the product. The RCM has advantages for declared articles, as it satisfies the SMA's C-tick mark requirement as well as the safety regulators. The RCM has disadvantages for non-declared articles as it currently requires regulator certification even though it is not a mandatory requirement for sale of non-declared articles. Chris Healy Liaison Manager, Standards and Approvals email : ch...@jna.com.au JNA Telecommunications Limited Ph (direct) : +61 2 9935 5728 16 Smith St, Chatswood, NSW 2067 Fax : +61 2 9417 3862 AUSTRALIA
Re: C-Tick mark
All, I have found several test lab on-line guides with the same out-dated info on use of the C-Tick, CKC's being one of them. The best bet is to stick with SMA. I e-mailed a request to SMA on Monday and got a satisfactory response on Tuesday. Their e-mail address is conveniently accessed through their website. FYI, the nature of my request had to do with the fact that SMA lists EN 60555-2 as a standard under the EMC Framework for ITE. One could conclude that the standard is applicable now for ITE. SMA told me that the only applicable EMC standard for ITE @ this time is AS/NZS 3548 (the equivalent of EN 55022). Regards, tony_fredriks...@netpower.com -- From: Dave_Perlmutter/US/3Com%3COM To: Cortland.Richmond-CC Cc: emc-pstc; George Alspaugh Subject: Re: C-Tick mark List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Wednesday, January 15, 1997 12:00AM Cortland, I checked the CKC site as you recommended below. The guidance on the C-tick mark to which you refer is out-of-date. CKC's document is based on the July 1995 edition of the EMC Frameworks. The SMA made major amendments to the Framework in March 1996. One of these revisions removes the RCM from the frameworks and removes the restriction on the use of the C-tick mark as published in July 1995. The current revision of the EMC Frameworks is available directly from the SMA at the SMA Web site: http://www.sma.gov.au. Given that it is Jan. 1997 and the CKC Web site information is still at the 1995 revision level, I question how timely their information really is. David - Previous Message To: emc-pstc @ ieee.org @ SMTP1 georgea @ lexmark.com @ SMTP1 cc: From: Cortland.Richmond-CC @ ccmailsmtp.ast.com @ SMTP1 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday January 14, 1997 08:50 AM Subject: Re: C-Tick mark --- --- -- Folks, By coincidence, I've just received CKC labs BROADBAND' sheet for December, 1996, in which they do address the Australian standards, both the Regulatory Compliance Mark and the C-Tick. It appears ITE may fall under the Regulatory Compliance Mark rather than needing C-Tick. However, it's necessary to obtain permission from the Spectrum Management Agency to use the Regulatory Compliance Mark, as it's trademarked by them. CKC has more information available on this (Recommended Procedure for Use of The Australian Self-declaration Route) which I'll be requesting. The number published in their sheet is 800-500-4362, also they have a Web site listed, http://www.ckc.com. I'm not pushing CKC or any other lab, but this information is rather timely. Cortland __ Reply Separator _ Subject: C-Tick mark Author: George Alspaugh geor...@lexmark.com at internet List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:1/14/97 6:05 Chaz asked: I have a question regarding the labelling of ITE products vis-a-vis the new Austrailian regs.. The SMA guide document calls out a Regulatory Compliance Mark the C-Tick mark. Which one should I use? Here is my understanding. C-tick is for EMC. T-tick is for safety. RCM is for both EMC and safety. Some products require only C-tick mark. Some require only a safety mark. For example, assume low-end printer powered by external AC adaptor provided only with printer. Printer needs C-tick to signify system EMC compliance. Adaptor needs only safety mark. I sense that RCM mark is preferred over T-tick, even where only safety is an issue. RCM is mark of choice where both EMC and safety are an issue. ( See Chris Healy's prior append below). Note that SMA is concerned only with spectrum management, a la FCC in USA. George Alspaugh Lexmark International /// Electrical Safety regulators in Australia require certification for adaptors (Plug-pacs). To my knowledge the use of the Standards Australia T-tick mark has been or is being phased out. It was only acceptable for certification by the New South Wales regulator. Some caution is required as some types of external power supplies require regulator approval and some donot. All mains plugs do require approval and therefore adaptors with intergrated mains plugs (plug-pacs) do require approval. The actual requirement is for a Certificate of Approval from a regulator, who will impose a labeling requirement or allow very soon, if not already, the use of the Regulatory Compliance Mark (RCM) on the product. The RCM has advantages for declared articles, as it satisfies the SMA's C-tick mark requirement as well as the safety regulators. The RCM has disadvantages for non-declared
Re: C-Tick mark
Bill, I feel a bit like a PR rep. for Standards Australia and the SMA today. Both the C-tick and the RCM are available as software and hard copy format from Standards Australia. The catch is that you need to supply a copy of an authorization to use the mark from the relevant regulator. Foreign manufacturers will need to obtain a copy if required from their Australian agent, representative etc. A representation of the C-tick is available on the SMA web site, http://www.sma.gov.au. A specification for the RCM is in; AS/NZS4417 Marking of electrical products to indicate compliance with regulators Part 1: General rules for use of the mark. On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Bill Lyons wrote: In message pine.ult.3.95.970115070827.27600a-100...@clix.jna.com.au Chris Healy wrote: Chris, Can you advise where definitive representations of the C-tick and RCM can be obtained? Quite a number of people (myself included) would like to know what they actually look like. Art Michael amich...@connix.com is one of those who have been asking this. Regards, Bill. -- Bill Lyons - b...@lyons.demon.co.uk / w.ly...@ieee.org Chris Healy Liaison Manager, Standards and Approvals email : ch...@jna.com.au JNA Telecommunications Limited Ph (direct) : +61 2 9935 5728 16 Smith St, Chatswood, NSW 2067 Fax : +61 2 9417 3862 AUSTRALIA
