Re: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
In message <201048ea81ba0745aca78e4cc8839001037cf...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net>, dated Mon, 3 Nov 2008, "Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)" writes: >By not looking at an extended frequency range for emission and >immunity, when you know the design employs technology in the extended >frequency range, the manufacturer carries an unquantified risk. It is >always preferable for the manufacturer to identify and (if possible) >quantify the risk so that it may be mitigated if it is too high. > >As the banks and financial institutions have discovered, taking too >much risk can seriously damage the business. Where would you rate a >company who cannot be bothered to identify the risk at all? Isn't that really the same as : However, self-interest may suggest that if you know of any EMC effect not covered by the applicable standards, you should consider how to test and what VOLUNTARY limits to apply. My point is that simply applying a standard outside its scope is not a measure that is likely to impress the authorities. We have already had people claiming conformity with CISPR 11/ EN 55011 for products outside its scope, because it has more relaxed limits than the truly applicable standard. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
And one needs to provide proof of compliance to the Essential Requirements to the directive by using your [1] or [2]. Leaving that out suggests a route too easy to be true... Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen ce-test, qualified testing bv Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Namens Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK) Verzonden: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:46 AM Aan: John Woodgate; emc-p...@ieee.org Onderwerp: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz John, All, Sorry - I was wrong to suggest that standards should be found that would cover frequencies above 1GHz - because ALL harmonised standards under the EMC Directive are voluntary so there is no legal requirement to apply harmonised standards. Under 2004/108/EC it IS a legal requirement to make an EMC Assessment. The assessment might be done by 1 applying harmonised standards and, if you do so, you may presume conformity with the protection (or essential) requirements 2 making a full EMC assessment of the apparatus (using any available method including modelling and calculation, which may include using standards whether harmonised or not). Either 1 or 2 (or a combination) constitutes "an EMC assessment". In either case, having completed the assessment [to your own satisfaction] you may declare conformity with the protection requirements using the evidence from the assessment. By not looking at an extended frequency range for emission and immunity, when you know the design employs technology in the extended frequency range, the manufacturer carries an unquantified risk. It is always preferable for the manufacturer to identify and (if possible) quantify the risk so that it may be mitigated if it is too high. As the banks and financial institutions have discovered, taking too much risk can seriously damage the business. Where would you rate a company who cannot be bothered to identify the risk at all? Regards Tim Tim Haynes A1N10 Electromagnetic Engineering Specialist SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems 300 Capability Green Luton LU1 3PG Tel : +44 (0)1582 886239 Fax : +44 (0)1582 795863 Mob: +44 (0)7703 559 310 E-mail : tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. There are 10 types of people in the world-those who understand binary and those who don't. J. Paxman From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:48 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz *** WARNING *** This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. In message <201048ea81ba0745aca78e4cc8839001037cf...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net>, dated Fri, 31 Oct 2008, "Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)" writes: >Remember that when you apply a standard you are doing so on the basis >that the standard covers ALL the product EMC characteristics. > >IF you design a PC with a 3GHz clock and only apply a standard with a >1GHz limit and then there is a problem with real interference at 3GHz, >the authorities may not believe that due diligence had been applied. > >So I would start asking - what does the product do - and then find >standards that may be useful in making your EMC assessment. In almost all circumstances there is NO legal requirement in Europe to do this. If the applicable product standard does not cover a particular frequency range, the committee concerned saw no need for limits in that range, and by notifying the standard in the OJEC, the Commission has accepted that the standard gives prima facie evidence of complying with the Directive. You DO NOT have to trawl though all the EMC standards that exist, looking for another one to apply, almost certainly OUTSIDE ITS SCOPE. However, self-interest may suggest that if you know of any EMC effect not covered by the applicable standards, you should consider how to test and what VOLUNTARY limits to apply. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
John, All, Sorry - I was wrong to suggest that standards should be found that would cover frequencies above 1GHz - because ALL harmonised standards under the EMC Directive are voluntary so there is no legal requirement to apply harmonised standards. Under 2004/108/EC it IS a legal requirement to make an EMC Assessment. The assessment might be done by 1 applying harmonised standards and, if you do so, you may presume conformity with the protection (or essential) requirements 2 making a full EMC assessment of the apparatus (using any available method including modelling and calculation, which may include using standards whether harmonised or not). Either 1 or 2 (or a combination) constitutes "an EMC assessment". In either case, having completed the assessment [to your own satisfaction] you may declare conformity with the protection requirements using the evidence from the assessment. By not looking at an extended frequency range for emission and immunity, when you know the design employs technology in the extended frequency range, the manufacturer carries an unquantified risk. It is always preferable for the manufacturer to identify and (if possible) quantify the risk so that it may be mitigated if it is too high. As the banks and financial institutions have discovered, taking too much risk can seriously damage the business. Where would you rate a company who cannot be bothered to identify the risk at all? Regards Tim Tim Haynes A1N10 Electromagnetic Engineering Specialist SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems 300 Capability Green Luton LU1 3PG Tel : +44 (0)1582 886239 Fax : +44 (0)1582 795863 Mob: +44 (0)7703 559 310 E-mail : tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. There are 10 types of people in the world-those who understand binary and those who don't. J. Paxman From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:48 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz *** WARNING *** This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. In message <201048ea81ba0745aca78e4cc8839001037cf...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net>, dated Fri, 31 Oct 2008, "Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)" writes: >Remember that when you apply a standard you are doing so on the basis >that the standard covers ALL the product EMC characteristics. > >IF you design a PC with a 3GHz clock and only apply a standard with a >1GHz limit and then there is a problem with real interference at 3GHz, >the authorities may not believe that due diligence had been applied. > >So I would start asking - what does the product do - and then find >standards that may be useful in making your EMC assessment. In almost all circumstances there is NO legal requirement in Europe to do this. If the applicable product standard does not cover a particular frequency range, the committee concerned saw no need for limits in that range, and by notifying the standard in the OJEC, the Commission has accepted that the standard gives prima facie evidence of complying with the Directive. You DO NOT have to trawl though all the EMC standards that exist, looking for another one to apply, almost certainly OUTSIDE ITS SCOPE. However, self-interest may suggest that if you know of any EMC effect not covered by the applicable standards, you should consider how to test and what VOLUNTARY limits to apply. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems Limited Registered Office: Sigma House, Christopher Martin Road, Basildon, Essex SS14 3EL A company registered in England & Wales. Company no. 02426132 This email and any attachments are confidential to th
Re: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
In message <8A23BE5F815D41408CB01F1F4621F88E0395E8E1@S1.DLSEMC.local>, dated Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Bill Stumpf writes: >While I agree that the advice in the TGN was somewhat ambiguous, one >could have easily justified the use of FCC limits, test methods, and >criteria for testing above 1GHz. At the time nothing else was >available. Well, maybe. But there is no guarantee that IF a European regulator queried the product, mention of 'FCC' might do more harm than good. NIH, you know. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
While I agree that the advice in the TGN was somewhat ambiguous, one could have easily justified the use of FCC limits, test methods, and criteria for testing above 1GHz. At the time nothing else was available. Bill From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:33 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz In message <8A23BE5F815D41408CB01F1F4621F88E0395E879@S1.DLSEMC.local>, dated Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Bill Stumpf writes: >Basically it states that if a product has the potential to interfere at >frequencies above 1GHz, it should be checked using appropriate limits >and test methods. WHAT 'test methods'? WHAT 'appropriate limits'? I think the advice is very unsatisfactory. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
In message <8A23BE5F815D41408CB01F1F4621F88E0395E879@S1.DLSEMC.local>, dated Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Bill Stumpf writes: >Basically it states that if a product has the potential to interfere at >frequencies above 1GHz, it should be checked using appropriate limits >and test methods. WHAT 'test methods'? WHAT 'appropriate limits'? I think the advice is very unsatisfactory. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Way back in 2003 this issue was addressed in an ECACB (now ECANB)
Technical Guidance Note (TGN 9), which we've been using since then.
Basically it states that if a product has the potential to interfere at
frequencies above 1GHz, it should be checked using appropriate limits
and test methods. It is important to remember that using harmonized
standards only gives the presumption of conformity.
This TGN is available on the CIRCA website
[circa.europa.eu/Public/irc/enterprise/emccbnb/home]
Bill Stumpf
D.L.S. Electronic Systems, Inc.
EMC Testing & Consulting
166 South Carter Street
Genoa City WI, 53128
262-279-0210
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim
Hulbert
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:38 AM
To: Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Tim - true enough, and as Engineers we can't disagree from a technical
perspective. However, manufacturers are going to test only to what they
HAVE to test to, i.e. there is a presumption of conformity with the EMC
Directive if the manufacturer applies those standards published in the
OJ that apply to his product. Apparently for EN 55022 that is still the
1 GHz max frequency for measurement. For time-to-market and cost
reasons, they stop there.
Jim Hulbert, Group Leader
TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview
Drive, Shelton, CT 06484
Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621)
Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352)
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Haynes,
Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:30 AM
To: rehel...@mmm.com; Pettit, Ghery
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Ghery, Rob, all
Remember that when you apply a standard you are doing so on the basis
that the standard covers ALL the product EMC characteristics.
IF you design a PC with a 3GHz clock and only apply a standard with a
1GHz limit and then there is a problem with real interference at 3GHz,
the authorities may not believe that due diligence had been applied.
So I would start asking - what does the product do - and then find
standards that may be useful in making your EMC assessment.
Regards
Tim
Tim Haynes A1N10
Electromagnetic Engineering Specialist
SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems
300 Capability Green
Luton LU1 3PG
Tel : +44 (0)1582 886239
Fax : +44 (0)1582 795863
Mob: +44 (0)7703 559 310
* E-mail : tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com
Please consider the environment before printing this email.
There are 10 types of people in the world-those who understand binary
and those who don't. J. Paxman
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of
rehel...@mmm.com
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:57 AM
To: Pettit, Ghery
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
*** WARNING ***
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external partner or the Global Internet.
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So if I understand this, there is no testing required for Europe above
a gigahertz for EN 55022 at this time?
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
=
"Pettit, Ghery"
To
"rehel...@mmm.com"
10/30/2008 04:47
PM
cc
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission
Measurements
above 1GHz
That is correct. It was quickly withdrawn and reissued without the
limits above 1 GHz. I'm still waiting for my updated copy from Global,
too. :-)
From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:54 AM
To: Pettit, Ghery
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Ghery, are you saying that the BS version has the error and was
withdrawn?
If so we were not notified of this action by British Standards. We get
their standards through their subscription service.
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
===
Robert E.
Heller/US-Corpora
te/3M/US
To
"Pettit, Ghery"
10/30/2008 03:45
AM
cc
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission
Measurements
above 1GHz(Document link: Robert
E.
Re: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
In message <201048ea81ba0745aca78e4cc8839001037cf...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net>, dated Fri, 31 Oct 2008, "Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)" writes: >Remember that when you apply a standard you are doing so on the basis >that the standard covers ALL the product EMC characteristics. > >IF you design a PC with a 3GHz clock and only apply a standard with a >1GHz limit and then there is a problem with real interference at 3GHz, >the authorities may not believe that due diligence had been applied. > >So I would start asking - what does the product do - and then find >standards that may be useful in making your EMC assessment. In almost all circumstances there is NO legal requirement in Europe to do this. If the applicable product standard does not cover a particular frequency range, the committee concerned saw no need for limits in that range, and by notifying the standard in the OJEC, the Commission has accepted that the standard gives prima facie evidence of complying with the Directive. You DO NOT have to trawl though all the EMC standards that exist, looking for another one to apply, almost certainly OUTSIDE ITS SCOPE. However, self-interest may suggest that if you know of any EMC effect not covered by the applicable standards, you should consider how to test and what VOLUNTARY limits to apply. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Tim - true enough, and as Engineers we can't disagree from a technical
perspective. However, manufacturers are going to test only to what they HAVE to
test to, i.e. there is a presumption of conformity with the EMC Directive if
the manufacturer applies those standards published in the OJ that apply to his
product. Apparently for EN 55022 that is still the 1 GHz max frequency for
measurement. For time-to-market and cost reasons, they stop there.
Jim Hulbert, Group Leader
TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering
Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484
Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621)
Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352)
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Haynes, Tim
(SELEX GALILEO, UK)
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:30 AM
To: rehel...@mmm.com; Pettit, Ghery
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Ghery, Rob, all
Remember that when you apply a standard you are doing so on the basis
that the standard covers ALL the product EMC characteristics.
IF you design a PC with a 3GHz clock and only apply a standard with a
1GHz limit and then there is a problem with real interference at 3GHz,
the authorities may not believe that due diligence had been applied.
So I would start asking - what does the product do - and then find
standards that may be useful in making your EMC assessment.
Regards
Tim
Tim Haynes A1N10
Electromagnetic Engineering Specialist
SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems
300 Capability Green
Luton LU1 3PG
Tel : +44 (0)1582 886239
Fax : +44 (0)1582 795863
Mob: +44 (0)7703 559 310
* E-mail : tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com
Please consider the environment before printing this email.
There are 10 types of people in the world-those who understand binary
and those who don't. J. Paxman
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of
rehel...@mmm.com
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:57 AM
To: Pettit, Ghery
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
*** WARNING ***
This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an
external partner or the Global Internet.
Keep this in mind if you answer this message.
So if I understand this, there is no testing required for Europe above
a gigahertz for EN 55022 at this time?
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
=
"Pettit, Ghery"
To
"rehel...@mmm.com"
10/30/2008 04:47
PM
cc
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission
Measurements
above 1GHz
That is correct. It was quickly withdrawn and reissued without the
limits above 1 GHz. I'm still waiting for my updated copy from Global,
too. :-)
From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:54 AM
To: Pettit, Ghery
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Ghery, are you saying that the BS version has the error and was
withdrawn?
If so we were not notified of this action by British Standards. We get
their standards through their subscription service.
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
===
Robert E.
Heller/US-Corpora
te/3M/US
To
"Pettit, Ghery"
10/30/2008 03:45
AM
cc
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission
Measurements
above 1GHz(Document link: Robert
E.
Heller)
So what is the bottom line? Are there or are there not limits for Europe
(EN 55022) above a gig?
I have copies of both BS EN 55022:2006 and BS EN 55022:2006 +A1:2007
Incorporating corrigendum no. 1. Both standards have a section 6.2 and
both standards have limits from 1 to 6 GHz. BS EN 55022:2006 is listed
in the OJ so I assume that it is valid.
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
"Pettit, Ghery"
To
Sent by: Jim Hulbert
emc-p...@ieee.org "Flavin, John"
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
All, Sorry I should have said "under the EMC Directive" in relation to my last e-mail. Regards Tim Tim Haynes A1N10 Electromagnetic Engineering Specialist SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems 300 Capability Green Luton LU1 3PG Tel : +44 (0)1582 886239 Fax : +44 (0)1582 795863 Mob: +44 (0)7703 559 310 * E-mail : tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com P Please consider the environment before printing this email. There are 10 types of people in the world-those who understand binary and those who don't. J. Paxman SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems Limited Registered Office: Sigma House, Christopher Martin Road, Basildon, Essex SS14 3EL A company registered in England & Wales. Company no. 02426132 This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Ghery, Rob, all
Remember that when you apply a standard you are doing so on the basis
that the standard covers ALL the product EMC characteristics.
IF you design a PC with a 3GHz clock and only apply a standard with a
1GHz limit and then there is a problem with real interference at 3GHz,
the authorities may not believe that due diligence had been applied.
So I would start asking - what does the product do - and then find
standards that may be useful in making your EMC assessment.
Regards
Tim
Tim Haynes A1N10
Electromagnetic Engineering Specialist
SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems
300 Capability Green
Luton LU1 3PG
Tel : +44 (0)1582 886239
Fax : +44 (0)1582 795863
Mob: +44 (0)7703 559 310
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There are 10 types of people in the world-those who understand binary
and those who don't. J. Paxman
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So if I understand this, there is no testing required for Europe above
a gigahertz for EN 55022 at this time?
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
=
"Pettit, Ghery"
To
"rehel...@mmm.com"
10/30/2008 04:47
PM
cc
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission
Measurements
above 1GHz
That is correct. It was quickly withdrawn and reissued without the
limits above 1 GHz. I'm still waiting for my updated copy from Global,
too. :-)
From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:54 AM
To: Pettit, Ghery
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Ghery, are you saying that the BS version has the error and was
withdrawn?
If so we were not notified of this action by British Standards. We get
their standards through their subscription service.
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
===
Robert E.
Heller/US-Corpora
te/3M/US
To
"Pettit, Ghery"
10/30/2008 03:45
AM
cc
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission
Measurements
above 1GHz(Document link: Robert
E.
Heller)
So what is the bottom line? Are there or are there not limits for Europe
(EN 55022) above a gig?
I have copies of both BS EN 55022:2006 and BS EN 55022:2006 +A1:2007
Incorporating corrigendum no. 1. Both standards have a section 6.2 and
both standards have limits from 1 to 6 GHz. BS EN 55022:2006 is listed
in the OJ so I assume that it is valid.
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
"Pettit, Ghery"
To
Sent by: Jim Hulbert
emc-p...@ieee.org "Flavin, John"
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
10/29/2008 08:45
PM
cc
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission
Measurements
above 1GHz
You must have an early copy put out by BSI. They made a mistake and
included Amendment 1 to CISPR 22, Edition 5.0 and withdrew it promptly
when I pointed out their error. Limits above 1 GHz should not be
included in EN 55022:2006.
Ghery S. Pettit, NCE
Convener, CISPR SC I WG3
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim
Hulbert
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:09 AM
To: Flavin, John; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in
the
range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is published
in
the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Direc
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
So if I understand this, there is no testing required for Europe above a gigahertz for EN 55022 at this time? Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = "Pettit, Ghery" To "rehel...@mmm.com" 10/30/2008 04:47 PM cc "emc-p...@ieee.org" Subject RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz That is correct. It was quickly withdrawn and reissued without the limits above 1 GHz. I'm still waiting for my updated copy from Global, too. :-) From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:54 AM To: Pettit, Ghery Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz Ghery, are you saying that the BS version has the error and was withdrawn? If so we were not notified of this action by British Standards. We get their standards through their subscription service. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 === Robert E. Heller/US-Corpora te/3M/US To "Pettit, Ghery" 10/30/2008 03:45 AM cc "emc-p...@ieee.org" Subject RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz(Document link: Robert E. Heller) So what is the bottom line? Are there or are there not limits for Europe (EN 55022) above a gig? I have copies of both BS EN 55022:2006 and BS EN 55022:2006 +A1:2007 Incorporating corrigendum no. 1. Both standards have a section 6.2 and both standards have limits from 1 to 6 GHz. BS EN 55022:2006 is listed in the OJ so I assume that it is valid. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 "Pettit, Ghery" To Sent by: Jim Hulbert emc-p...@ieee.org "Flavin, John" "emc-p...@ieee.org" 10/29/2008 08:45 PM cc Subject RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz You must have an early copy put out by BSI. They made a mistake and included Amendment 1 to CISPR 22, Edition 5.0 and withdrew it promptly when I pointed out their error. Limits above 1 GHz should not be included in EN 55022:2006. Ghery S. Pettit, NCE Convener, CISPR SC I WG3 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:09 AM To: Flavin, John; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in the range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is published in the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Directive as of 1 Oct 2009. Jim Hulbert, Group Leader TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484 Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621) Fax: 203-924-
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
That is correct. It was quickly withdrawn and reissued without the limits
above 1 GHz. I'm still waiting for my updated copy from Global, too. :-)
From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:54 AM
To: Pettit, Ghery
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Ghery, are you saying that the BS version has the error and was withdrawn?
If so we were not notified of this action by British Standards. We get
their standards through their subscription service.
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
===
Robert E.
Heller/US-Corpora
te/3M/US To
"Pettit, Ghery"
10/30/2008 03:45
AM cc
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements
above 1GHz(Document link: Robert E.
Heller)
So what is the bottom line? Are there or are there not limits for Europe
(EN 55022) above a gig?
I have copies of both BS EN 55022:2006 and BS EN 55022:2006 +A1:2007
Incorporating corrigendum no. 1. Both standards have a section 6.2 and both
standards have limits from 1 to 6 GHz. BS EN 55022:2006 is listed in the OJ
so I assume that it is valid.
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
"Pettit, Ghery"
To
Sent by: Jim Hulbert
emc-p...@ieee.org "Flavin, John"
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
10/29/2008 08:45
PM cc
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements
above 1GHz
You must have an early copy put out by BSI. They made a mistake and
included Amendment 1 to CISPR 22, Edition 5.0 and withdrew it promptly when
I pointed out their error. Limits above 1 GHz should not be included in EN
55022:2006.
Ghery S. Pettit, NCE
Convener, CISPR SC I WG3
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:09 AM
To: Flavin, John; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in the
range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is published in
the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Directive as of 1 Oct 2009.
Jim Hulbert, Group Leader
TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering
Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484
Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621)
Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352)
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Flavin,
John
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:20 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which
show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR
16-1-4 for the description of the test site. (Our copy of EN55022:2006 does
not show any such limits.)
A few questions:
Has the CISPR test site for > 1GHz been decided?
Has the validation method for the site been decided?
If the test site or site validation method is still not settled, how does
one test to the limits shown in these two standards?
John D. Flavin
Teradata TCP Engineering
17095 Via del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127
john.fla...@teradata.com
V: (858) 485-3874
F: (213) 337-5432
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RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
just one more comment. The AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 edition does have the limits published in their version, as I have a copy Larry Stillings Compliance Worldwide, Inc. From: Flavin, John [mailto:john.fla...@teradata.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:20 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR 16-1-4 for the description of the test site. (Our copy of EN55022:2006 does not show any such limits.) A few questions: Has the CISPR test site for > 1GHz been decided? Has the validation method for the site been decided? If the test site or site validation method is still not settled, how does one test to the limits shown in these two standards? John D. Flavin Teradata TCP Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 john.fla...@teradata.com V: (858) 485-3874 F: (213) 337-5432 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
In message <72b8947772cf0948adaa9853631663fb20c833e...@pbi-namsg-02.mgdpbi.global.pv t>, dated Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Jim Hulbert writes: >We likewise were never notified that the BS version was withdrawn, if >that is the case. It's rather disturbing to think that we may be >paying money for and following standards that are wrong. Normally, you would have automatically received the new version, even if you did not receive any notification about the error. The error would normally also, if your company is a BSI Subscribing Member, have been notified in the BSI on-line publication 'Update Standards'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
We likewise were never notified that the BS version was withdrawn, if that is
the case. It's rather disturbing to think that we may be paying money for and
following standards that are wrong.
Jim Hulbert, Group Leader
TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering
Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484
Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621)
Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352)
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:54 AM
To: Pettit, Ghery
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Ghery, are you saying that the BS version has the error and was withdrawn?
If so we were not notified of this action by British Standards. We get
their standards through their subscription service.
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
===
Robert E.
Heller/US-Corpora
te/3M/US To
"Pettit, Ghery"
10/30/2008 03:45
AM cc
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements
above 1GHz(Document link: Robert E.
Heller)
So what is the bottom line? Are there or are there not limits for Europe
(EN 55022) above a gig?
I have copies of both BS EN 55022:2006 and BS EN 55022:2006 +A1:2007
Incorporating corrigendum no. 1. Both standards have a section 6.2 and both
standards have limits from 1 to 6 GHz. BS EN 55022:2006 is listed in the OJ
so I assume that it is valid.
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
"Pettit, Ghery"
To
Sent by: Jim Hulbert
emc-p...@ieee.org "Flavin, John"
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
10/29/2008 08:45
PM cc
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements
above 1GHz
You must have an early copy put out by BSI. They made a mistake and
included Amendment 1 to CISPR 22, Edition 5.0 and withdrew it promptly when
I pointed out their error. Limits above 1 GHz should not be included in EN
55022:2006.
Ghery S. Pettit, NCE
Convener, CISPR SC I WG3
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:09 AM
To: Flavin, John; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in the
range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is published in
the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Directive as of 1 Oct 2009.
Jim Hulbert, Group Leader
TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering
Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484
Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621)
Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352)
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Flavin,
John
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:20 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which
show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR
16-1-4 for the description of the test site. (Our copy of EN55022:2006 does
not show any such limits.)
A few questions:
Has the CISPR test site for > 1GHz been decided?
Has the validation method for the site been decided?
If the test site or site validation method is still not settled, how does
one test to the limits shown in these two standards?
John D. Flavin
Teradata TCP Engineering
17095 Via del Campo
San Diego, CA 92127
john.fla...@teradata.com
V: (858) 485-3874
F: (213) 337-5432
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Re: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
BSMI (Taiwan), the publisher for the CNS 13438, is more likely to follow the VCCI's time frame for the site requirement above 1 GHz. Grace On 10/29/08, Larry Stillings wrote: Currently Australia / New Zealand and VCCI have put a tempory stay on measuring above 1 GHz until at least the 1 Oct 2009 date. See http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_100964 http://www.vcci.or.jp/vcci_e/topics/new0910.html however, we are setup to perform these measurements Larry Stillings Compliance Worldwide, Inc. From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:09 PM To: Flavin, John; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in the range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is published in the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Directive as of 1 Oct 2009. Jim Hulbert, Group Leader TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484 Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621) Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352) From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Flavin, John Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:20 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR 16-1-4 for the description of the test site. (Our copy of EN55022:2006 does not show any such limits.) A few questions: Has the CISPR test site for > 1GHz been decided? Has the validation method for the site been decided? If the test site or site validation method is still not settled, how does one test to the limits shown in these two standards? John D. Flavin Teradata TCP Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 john.fla...@teradata.com V: (858) 485-3874 F: (213) 337-5432 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Enginee
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Ghery, are you saying that the BS version has the error and was withdrawn?
If so we were not notified of this action by British Standards. We get
their standards through their subscription service.
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
===
Robert E.
Heller/US-Corpora
te/3M/US To
"Pettit, Ghery"
10/30/2008 03:45
AM cc
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements
above 1GHz(Document link: Robert E.
Heller)
So what is the bottom line? Are there or are there not limits for Europe
(EN 55022) above a gig?
I have copies of both BS EN 55022:2006 and BS EN 55022:2006 +A1:2007
Incorporating corrigendum no. 1. Both standards have a section 6.2 and both
standards have limits from 1 to 6 GHz. BS EN 55022:2006 is listed in the OJ
so I assume that it is valid.
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
"Pettit, Ghery"
To
Sent by: Jim Hulbert
emc-p...@ieee.org "Flavin, John"
"emc-p...@ieee.org"
10/29/2008 08:45
PM cc
Subject
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements
above 1GHz
You must have an early copy put out by BSI. They made a mistake and
included Amendment 1 to CISPR 22, Edition 5.0 and withdrew it promptly when
I pointed out their error. Limits above 1 GHz should not be included in EN
55022:2006.
Ghery S. Pettit, NCE
Convener, CISPR SC I WG3
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:09 AM
To: Flavin, John; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in the
range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is published in
the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Directive as of 1 Oct 2009.
Jim Hulbert, Group Leader
TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering
Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484
Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621)
Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352)
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Flavin,
John
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:20 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which
show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR
16-1-4 for the description of
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
So what is the bottom line? Are there or are there not limits for Europe (EN 55022) above a gig? I have copies of both BS EN 55022:2006 and BS EN 55022:2006 +A1:2007 Incorporating corrigendum no. 1. Both standards have a section 6.2 and both standards have limits from 1 to 6 GHz. BS EN 55022:2006 is listed in the OJ so I assume that it is valid. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 "Pettit, Ghery" To Sent by: Jim Hulbert emc-p...@ieee.org "Flavin, John" "emc-p...@ieee.org" 10/29/2008 08:45 PM cc Subject RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz You must have an early copy put out by BSI. They made a mistake and included Amendment 1 to CISPR 22, Edition 5.0 and withdrew it promptly when I pointed out their error. Limits above 1 GHz should not be included in EN 55022:2006. Ghery S. Pettit, NCE Convener, CISPR SC I WG3 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:09 AM To: Flavin, John; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in the range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is published in the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Directive as of 1 Oct 2009. Jim Hulbert, Group Leader TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484 Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621) Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352) From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Flavin, John Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:20 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR 16-1-4 for the description of the test site. (Our copy of EN55022:2006 does not show any such limits.) A few questions: Has the CISPR test site for > 1GHz been decided? Has the validation method for the site been decided? If the test site or site validation method is still not settled, how does one test to the limits shown in these two standards? John D. Flavin Teradata TCP Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 john.fla...@teradata.com V: (858) 485-3874 F: (213) 337-5432 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This me
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
You must have an early copy put out by BSI. They made a mistake and included Amendment 1 to CISPR 22, Edition 5.0 and withdrew it promptly when I pointed out their error. Limits above 1 GHz should not be included in EN 55022:2006. Ghery S. Pettit, NCE Convener, CISPR SC I WG3 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:09 AM To: Flavin, John; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in the range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is published in the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Directive as of 1 Oct 2009. Jim Hulbert, Group Leader TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484 Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621) Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352) From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Flavin, John Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:20 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR 16-1-4 for the description of the test site. (Our copy of EN55022:2006 does not show any such limits.) A few questions: Has the CISPR test site for > 1GHz been decided? Has the validation method for the site been decided? If the test site or site validation method is still not settled, how does one test to the limits shown in these two standards? John D. Flavin Teradata TCP Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 john.fla...@teradata.com V: (858) 485-3874 F: (213) 337-5432 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Jim and group, The British Standards version of EN 55022:2006 does not have a section 6.2 and only covers radiated emissions 30 - 1000 MHz. I also have a version obtained >from Dansk Standards that consisted of a list of modifications to CISPR 22 that was attached to CISPR 22 Edition 5.2 (Edition 5:2005 consolidated with amendments 1:2005 and 2:2006. It is my understanding that EN 55022:2006 is a modified version of CISPR 22:2005 without its amendments (the Official Journal listing shows EN 55022:2006 as CISPR 22:2005 (Modified)). As it is the amendments that contain the requirements for radiated emissions above 1GHz, EN 55022:2006 does not go above 1GHz. So, my understanding, is that the significant differences between EN 55022:1998 with amendments A1 and A2 and EN 55022:2006 are the removal of the need for ferrite clamps on cables exiting the test site and the modifications to the ISN requirements for measuring the conducted emissions on telecommunications ports. Regards, Mark At 10:08 AM 10/29/2008, Jim Hulbert wrote: EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in the range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is published in the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Directive as of 1 Oct 2009. Jim Hulbert, Group Leader TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484 Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621) Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352) From: emc-p...@ieee.org [ mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> ] On Behalf Of Flavin, John Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:20 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR 16-1-4 for the description of the test site. (Our copy of EN55022:2006 does not show any such limits.) A few questions: Has the CISPR test site for > 1GHz been decided? Has the validation method for the site been decided? If the test site or site validation method is still not settled, how does one test to the limits shown in these two standards? John D. Flavin Teradata TCP Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 john.fla...@teradata.com V: (858) 485-3874 F: (213) 337-5432 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Currently Australia / New Zealand and VCCI have put a tempory stay on measuring above 1 GHz until at least the 1 Oct 2009 date. See http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_100964 http://www.vcci.or.jp/vcci_e/topics/new0910.html however, we are setup to perform these measurements Larry Stillings Compliance Worldwide, Inc. From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:09 PM To: Flavin, John; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in the range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is published in the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Directive as of 1 Oct 2009. Jim Hulbert, Group Leader TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484 Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621) Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352) From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Flavin, John Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:20 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR 16-1-4 for the description of the test site. (Our copy of EN55022:2006 does not show any such limits.) A few questions: Has the CISPR test site for > 1GHz been decided? Has the validation method for the site been decided? If the test site or site validation method is still not settled, how does one test to the limits shown in these two standards? John D. Flavin Teradata TCP Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 john.fla...@teradata.com V: (858) 485-3874 F: (213) 337-5432 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
In message <72b8947772cf0948adaa9853631663fb20c833e...@pbi-namsg-02.mgdpbi.global.pv t>, dated Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Jim Hulbert writes: >EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in >the range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is >published in the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Directive as >of 1 Oct 2009. Strictly, the application of ANY standard under either the LVD or the EMCD is not compulsory, but it is usually much more difficult and costly to demonstrate compliance with the Directive by other means. Nevertheless, for some rare products, it is done that way. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
EN 55022:2006 does indeed include the limits for radiated emissions in the range 1 GHz to 6 GHz. Look at section 6.2. This standard is published in the OJ and becomes compulsory under the EMC Directive as of 1 Oct 2009. Jim Hulbert, Group Leader TSO Competitive & Compliance Engineering Pitney Bowes, 35 Waterview Drive, Shelton, CT 06484 Tel: 203-924-3621 (Internal 442-3621) Fax: 203-924-3352 (Internal 442-3352) From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Flavin, John Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:20 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR 16-1-4 for the description of the test site. (Our copy of EN55022:2006 does not show any such limits.) A few questions: Has the CISPR test site for > 1GHz been decided? Has the validation method for the site been decided? If the test site or site validation method is still not settled, how does one test to the limits shown in these two standards? John D. Flavin Teradata TCP Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 john.fla...@teradata.com V: (858) 485-3874 F: (213) 337-5432 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
Hi, The test site validation is specified in CISPR 16-1-4 2nd Edition from 2007-02. Regards, Ari Honkala SGS Fimko Ltd Finland From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Flavin, John Sent: 29. lokakuuta 2008 6:20 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR 16-1-4 for the description of the test site. (Our copy of EN55022:2006 does not show any such limits.) A few questions: Has the CISPR test site for > 1GHz been decided? Has the validation method for the site been decided? If the test site or site validation method is still not settled, how does one test to the limits shown in these two standards? John D. Flavin Teradata TCP Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 john.fla...@teradata.com V: (858) 485-3874 F: (213) 337-5432 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Information in this email and any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed or otherwise directed. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. All SGS services are rendered in accordance with the applicable SGS conditions of service available on request and accessible at http://www.sgs.com/terms_and_conditions.htm - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Radiated Emission Measurements above 1GHz
We have copies of AS/NZS CISPR 22:2006 and CNS 13438:2006, both of which show radiated emission limits in the range 1-6GHz. Both reference CISPR 16-1-4 for the description of the test site. (Our copy of EN55022:2006 does not show any such limits.) A few questions: Has the CISPR test site for > 1GHz been decided? Has the validation method for the site been decided? If the test site or site validation method is still not settled, how does one test to the limits shown in these two standards? John D. Flavin Teradata TCP Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 john.fla...@teradata.com V: (858) 485-3874 F: (213) 337-5432 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
