Re: Vedr.: ENV 50204
Do these standards (50204 61000-4-3)represent the same test? I thought ENV50140 was the predecessor to IEC801-3/61000-4-3. CENELEC describes ENC50204 as 'Radiated electromagnetic field from digital radio telephones', with the scope being: 'The standard relates to the immunity of electrical and electronic equipment to the electromagnetic fields radiated from GSM (Group Special Mobile) and the DECT (Digital European Cordless Telephone) radio systems operating at the frequencies 900 MHz and 1,89 GHz using TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access) techniques. The object of this standard is to establish a common reference for evaluating by test the performance of apparatus when subjected to this type of radiated electromagnetic field.' Quite different from the -4-3 test that covers 80-1000MHz. On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:17:00 -0500 , Dan Kinney (A) dan.kin...@heapg.com wrote: I just reviewed my copy of EN 61000-4-3 and can see where it replaces ENV 50140 but no mention of ENV 50204. What am I missing? Dan Kinney Horner APG -Original Message- From:Gert Gremmen [SMTP:cet...@cetest.nl] Sent:Wednesday, September 06, 2000 1:54 PM To: Helge Knudsen; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: RE: Vedr.: ENV 50204 Hello Helge, Richard and Group, Any ENV is a temporary (pre) standard that immediately gets withdrawn on the publication date of the replacement standard : in this case the publication date of EN 61000-4-3. It's existence is justified by the immediate need for a standard, where no suitable document is available. This of course is independent of the publication of any A1 documents ! Conclusion: ENV 50204 is not applicable anymore. Regards, Gert Gremmen, (Ing) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Helge Knudsen Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:46 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: Vedr.: ENV 50204 Hi Richard and Group, IEC/EN 61000-4-3/A1 is dealing with Radiated electromagnetic field from digital radio telephones, but ENV 50204 is not withdrawn yet. I beleive this will happen on dow for EN 61000-4-3/A1: 2001-05-01. Regards Helge Knudsen EMC Engineer Jyske EMC Literbuen 16B DK 2740 Skovlunde Denmark wo...@sensormatic.com 05-09-00 20:20 The Generic Immunity standard, EN 50082-1 references ENV 50204 for a radiated immunity test. The foreword of the ENV says it will be withdrawn once an IEC/CENELEC standard has been published. Has this interim standard been withdrawn and replaced by an EN 61000-4 series standard? If so, which one? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Vedr.: ENV 50204
Indeed, this particular standard (50204) was automatically withdrawn with the publishing of the first amendmend A1 to 61000-4-3. I am not sure if it was explicitly in the A1 either. I do not have the A1 on hand right now. Regards, Gert Gremmen, (Ing) ce-test, qualified testing === Web presence http://www.cetest.nl CE-shop http://www.cetest.nl/ce_shop.htm /-/ Compliance testing is our core business /-/ === -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Dan Kinney (A) Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 12:17 AM To: Gert Gremmen; Helge Knudsen; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: RE: Vedr.: ENV 50204 I just reviewed my copy of EN 61000-4-3 and can see where it replaces ENV 50140 but no mention of ENV 50204. What am I missing? Dan Kinney Horner APG -Original Message- From: Gert Gremmen [SMTP:cet...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 1:54 PM To: Helge Knudsen; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject:RE: Vedr.: ENV 50204 Hello Helge, Richard and Group, Any ENV is a temporary (pre) standard that immediately gets withdrawn on the publication date of the replacement standard : in this case the publication date of EN 61000-4-3. It's existence is justified by the immediate need for a standard, where no suitable document is available. This of course is independent of the publication of any A1 documents ! Conclusion: ENV 50204 is not applicable anymore. Regards, Gert Gremmen, (Ing) ce-test, qualified testing === Web presence http://www.cetest.nl CE-shop http://www.cetest.nl/ce_shop.htm /-/ Compliance testing is our core business /-/ === -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Helge Knudsen Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:46 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: Vedr.: ENV 50204 Hi Richard and Group, IEC/EN 61000-4-3/A1 is dealing with Radiated electromagnetic field from digital radio telephones, but ENV 50204 is not withdrawn yet. I beleive this will happen on dow for EN 61000-4-3/A1: 2001-05-01. Regards Helge Knudsen EMC Engineer Jyske EMC Literbuen 16B DK 2740 Skovlunde Denmark wo...@sensormatic.com 05-09-00 20:20 The Generic Immunity standard, EN 50082-1 references ENV 50204 for a radiated immunity test. The foreword of the ENV says it will be withdrawn once an IEC/CENELEC standard has been published. Has this interim standard been withdrawn and replaced by an EN 61000-4 series standard? If so, which one? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org File: Gert Gremmen.vcf --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org attachment: Gert Gremmen.vcf
RE: Vedr.: ENV 50204
ENV 50204 is still listed in the Cenelec Catalogue 2000 Issue 2 so it's not withdrawn yet. The reason that this has not been done by Cenelec Technical Board yet is unknown to me. regards, Ari Honkala -Original Message- From: EXT Gert Gremmen [mailto:cet...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:54 PM To: Helge Knudsen; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: RE: Vedr.: ENV 50204 Hello Helge, Richard and Group, Any ENV is a temporary (pre) standard that immediately gets withdrawn on the publication date of the replacement standard : in this case the publication date of EN 61000-4-3. It's existence is justified by the immediate need for a standard, where no suitable document is available. This of course is independent of the publication of any A1 documents ! Conclusion: ENV 50204 is not applicable anymore. Regards, Gert Gremmen, (Ing) ce-test, qualified testing === Web presence http://www.cetest.nl CE-shop http://www.cetest.nl/ce_shop.htm /-/ Compliance testing is our core business /-/ === -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Helge Knudsen Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:46 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: Vedr.: ENV 50204 Hi Richard and Group, IEC/EN 61000-4-3/A1 is dealing with Radiated electromagnetic field from digital radio telephones, but ENV 50204 is not withdrawn yet. I beleive this will happen on dow for EN 61000-4-3/A1: 2001-05-01. Regards Helge Knudsen EMC Engineer Jyske EMC Literbuen 16B DK 2740 Skovlunde Denmark wo...@sensormatic.com 05-09-00 20:20 The Generic Immunity standard, EN 50082-1 references ENV 50204 for a radiated immunity test. The foreword of the ENV says it will be withdrawn once an IEC/CENELEC standard has been published. Has this interim standard been withdrawn and replaced by an EN 61000-4 series standard? If so, which one? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Vedr.: ENV 50204
I just reviewed my copy of EN 61000-4-3 and can see where it replaces ENV 50140 but no mention of ENV 50204. What am I missing? Dan Kinney Horner APG -Original Message- From: Gert Gremmen [SMTP:cet...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 1:54 PM To: Helge Knudsen; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: RE: Vedr.: ENV 50204 Hello Helge, Richard and Group, Any ENV is a temporary (pre) standard that immediately gets withdrawn on the publication date of the replacement standard : in this case the publication date of EN 61000-4-3. It's existence is justified by the immediate need for a standard, where no suitable document is available. This of course is independent of the publication of any A1 documents ! Conclusion: ENV 50204 is not applicable anymore. Regards, Gert Gremmen, (Ing) ce-test, qualified testing === Web presence http://www.cetest.nl CE-shop http://www.cetest.nl/ce_shop.htm /-/ Compliance testing is our core business /-/ === -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Helge Knudsen Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:46 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: Vedr.: ENV 50204 Hi Richard and Group, IEC/EN 61000-4-3/A1 is dealing with Radiated electromagnetic field from digital radio telephones, but ENV 50204 is not withdrawn yet. I beleive this will happen on dow for EN 61000-4-3/A1: 2001-05-01. Regards Helge Knudsen EMC Engineer Jyske EMC Literbuen 16B DK 2740 Skovlunde Denmark wo...@sensormatic.com 05-09-00 20:20 The Generic Immunity standard, EN 50082-1 references ENV 50204 for a radiated immunity test. The foreword of the ENV says it will be withdrawn once an IEC/CENELEC standard has been published. Has this interim standard been withdrawn and replaced by an EN 61000-4 series standard? If so, which one? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org File: Gert Gremmen.vcf --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Vedr.: ENV 50204
Hello Helge, Richard and Group, Any ENV is a temporary (pre) standard that immediately gets withdrawn on the publication date of the replacement standard : in this case the publication date of EN 61000-4-3. It's existence is justified by the immediate need for a standard, where no suitable document is available. This of course is independent of the publication of any A1 documents ! Conclusion: ENV 50204 is not applicable anymore. Regards, Gert Gremmen, (Ing) ce-test, qualified testing === Web presence http://www.cetest.nl CE-shop http://www.cetest.nl/ce_shop.htm /-/ Compliance testing is our core business /-/ === -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Helge Knudsen Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:46 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; wo...@sensormatic.com Subject: Vedr.: ENV 50204 Hi Richard and Group, IEC/EN 61000-4-3/A1 is dealing with Radiated electromagnetic field from digital radio telephones, but ENV 50204 is not withdrawn yet. I beleive this will happen on dow for EN 61000-4-3/A1: 2001-05-01. Regards Helge Knudsen EMC Engineer Jyske EMC Literbuen 16B DK 2740 Skovlunde Denmark wo...@sensormatic.com 05-09-00 20:20 The Generic Immunity standard, EN 50082-1 references ENV 50204 for a radiated immunity test. The foreword of the ENV says it will be withdrawn once an IEC/CENELEC standard has been published. Has this interim standard been withdrawn and replaced by an EN 61000-4 series standard? If so, which one? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org attachment: Gert Gremmen.vcf
