Re: [Emc-users] Estop universal PWM

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Joni
Make sure the or2 function is added to a thread (probably the servo thread).

Regards,
Alex

- Original Message - 
From: Kasey Matejcek someo...@lkm.bz
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:15 AM
Subject: [Emc-users] Estop universal PWM


 Is there a way to have emc come out of estop and be in estop reset

 When I hit the reset button for the estop chain on my machine

 Witch pin do I need to link to  to make this happen I've messed around and
 haven't got anywere to speak of

 I tied ppmc.0din.14.in to estop-latch.0.reset this work some of the time 
 but
 no always and then it disables the F1 key from resting the estop because
 I've unlinked that

 I tried to Or that input together and that didn't seem to work ether



 Newsig Estop-reset-1 bit

 Linksp Estop-reset-1 ppmc.0.din.14.in

 Linksp Estop-reset-1 or2.0.in0



 Newsig Estop-reset-2 bit

 Linksp Estop-reset-2 iocontrol.0.user-enable-out

 Linksp Estop-reset-2 or2.0.in1



 Newsig Estop-reset-3 bit

 Linksp Estop-reset-3 or2.0.out

 Linksp Estop-reset-3 estop-latch.0.reset



 But after looking in showhal and watching the or2.0.out I never see it go
 high

 The input for the or seem to work press the F1 key or2.0.in1 goes high

 Hookup pin 14 and or2.0.in0 goes high

 But never see or2.0.out go high

 I'm miss understanding something with this or I'm I not using the right 
 pins
 for this to work

 

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Re: [Emc-users] Seconded: Alex Joni

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Joni
I accept the nomination.

Regards,
Alex


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Re: [Emc-users] Estop universal PWM

2009-01-07 Thread Leslie Newell
You are probably better off doing this in hardware. Here is how I do it. 
The enable output from the computer operates a relay that is part of the 
estop chain. I have a button with a contact that goes directly across 
this relay. The button has another contact that tells the computer to 
reset. When you press the button it closes the estop chain (assuming 
nothing else  on the chain is open) so the computer is happy.

If you want extra safety, have two buttons, one to bypass the relay, one 
to enable the drives. This way you need to press both buttons to enable 
the machine.

Les
 

Kasey Matejcek wrote:
 Is there a way to have emc come out of estop and be in estop reset 

 When I hit the reset button for the estop chain on my machine

 Witch pin do I need to link to  to make this happen I've messed around and
 haven't got anywere to speak of

 I tied ppmc.0din.14.in to estop-latch.0.reset this work some of the time but
 no always and then it disables the F1 key from resting the estop because
 I've unlinked that

 I tried to Or that input together and that didn't seem to work ether 
   
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Re: [Emc-users] message format question

2009-01-07 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 02:50 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:
On Tuesday 06 January 2009, Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote:
 Hi all,
 
When I post a message to this list, does it arrive in plain text, or
 html format?  On another list I belong to, when I send a message, it
 arrives at the list member's servers as html.  Yet when I send it to
 one of my co-workers, it arrives as plain text.  The other list is a
 Yahoo group.  Wondering if yahoo somehow re-formats a plain text
 message into html.

I have heard rumors that they do, Mark.  It may be stoppable in your yahoo
preferences.  But with yahoo's TOS, I don't normally touch them with a 50
foot pole, so I am far from an expert on yahoo-isms.

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out with that option.  Guess I'll have to mark this off to yahoo stupidity.

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Re: [Emc-users] message format question

2009-01-07 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 02:51 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:
On Tuesday 06 January 2009, Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote:
 Hi all,
 
When I post a message to this list, does it arrive in plain text, or
 html format?  On another list I belong to, when I send a message, it
 arrives at the list member's servers as html.  Yet when I send it to
 one of my co-workers, it arrives as plain text.  The other list is a
 Yahoo group.  Wondering if yahoo somehow re-formats a plain text
 message into html.
 
 Mark
 
And I neglected to answer your first question, it arrives here as plain text.

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Thanks Gene.  That pretty much confirms Yahoo is the culprit in the 
reformatting.

Mark 


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Re: [Emc-users] Seconded: Alex Joni

2009-01-07 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 09:39 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:
On Tuesday 06 January 2009, Javid Butler wrote:
 Though I've been forced to largely lurk of late, voting is something I can
  do!
 
 Which one of Gene's boxes is Ballot?
 
 Javid

That would be the second one, Javid.
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But the ammo box is so much more fun to play with...  ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Estop universal PWM

2009-01-07 Thread John Thornton
Take a look at the logic example at the bottom of this page in the manual.

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal_basic_hal.html

John

On 6 Jan 2009 at 20:15, Kasey Matejcek wrote:

 Is there a way to have emc come out of estop and be in estop reset
 
 When I hit the reset button for the estop chain on my machine
 
 Witch pin do I need to link to  to make this happen I've messed
 around and
 haven't got anywere to speak of
 
 I tied ppmc.0din.14.in to estop-latch.0.reset this work some of the
 time but
 no always and then it disables the F1 key from resting the estop
 because
 I've unlinked that
 
 I tried to Or that input together and that didn't seem to work ether
 
  
 
 Newsig Estop-reset-1 bit
 
 Linksp Estop-reset-1 ppmc.0.din.14.in
 
 Linksp Estop-reset-1 or2.0.in0
 
  
 
 Newsig Estop-reset-2 bit
 
 Linksp Estop-reset-2 iocontrol.0.user-enable-out
 
 Linksp Estop-reset-2 or2.0.in1
 
  
 
 Newsig Estop-reset-3 bit
 
 Linksp Estop-reset-3 or2.0.out
 
 Linksp Estop-reset-3 estop-latch.0.reset
 
  
 
 But after looking in showhal and watching the or2.0.out I never see
 it go
 high
 
 The input for the or seem to work press the F1 key or2.0.in1 goes
 high
 
 Hookup pin 14 and or2.0.in0 goes high
 
 But never see or2.0.out go high
 
 I'm miss understanding something with this or I'm I not using the
 right pins
 for this to work   
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] message format question

2009-01-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 07 January 2009, Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote:
At 02:50 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:
On Tuesday 06 January 2009, Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote:
 Hi all,
 
When I post a message to this list, does it arrive in plain text,
  or html format?  On another list I belong to, when I send a message, it
  arrives at the list member's servers as html.  Yet when I send it to one
  of my co-workers, it arrives as plain text.  The other list is a Yahoo
  group.  Wondering if yahoo somehow re-formats a plain text message into
  html.

I have heard rumors that they do, Mark.  It may be stoppable in your yahoo
preferences.  But with yahoo's TOS, I don't normally touch them with a 50
foot pole, so I am far from an expert on yahoo-isms.

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Cheers, Gene

Gene,

 I scowered through all the settings I could find in my
profile/account, and the only thing I could find that was close was
to receive the emails in either traditional or
full-featured.  I've had mine set to traditional since they came
out with that option.  Guess I'll have to mark this off to yahoo stupidity.

Mark

There is an abundance of that at yahoo.  They are absolutely in love with 
bandwidth wasting eye candy that isn't.

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Re: [Emc-users] Seconded: Alex Joni

2009-01-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 07 January 2009, Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote:
At 09:39 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:
On Tuesday 06 January 2009, Javid Butler wrote:
 Though I've been forced to largely lurk of late, voting is something I
  can do!
 
 Which one of Gene's boxes is Ballot?
 
 Javid

That would be the second one, Javid.
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But the ammo box is so much more fun to play with...  ;-)

Mark

That tis, particularly since at my age, they won't let me anywhere near a jury 
box (unless I was sitting behind the defendants table or some such ooops.)

And that is to me, a waste of a valuable resource.  Seniors of sound mind 
should be welcomed in the jury box, but no, they'd druther inconvenience the 
hell out of some poor schmuck that has to work for a living.  And pay him $5 
a day and found.  'Taint a bit fair to them.

Of course they may have learned that us seniors would druther fry some jerk 
that needs it cuz otherwise he'll be on the street again in a couple of 
years, free to sell you kid some more dope, rob another gas station or rape 
another child.  We seem to be of the old school, eye for eye etc.

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Re: [Emc-users] Seconded: Alex Joni

2009-01-07 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 07:26 AM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
That tis, particularly since at my age, they won't let me anywhere 
near a jury
box (unless I was sitting behind the defendants table or some such ooops.)

And that is to me, a waste of a valuable resource.  Seniors of sound mind
should be welcomed in the jury box, but no, they'd druther inconvenience the
hell out of some poor schmuck that has to work for a living.  And pay him $5
a day and found.  'Taint a bit fair to them.

Of course they may have learned that us seniors would druther fry some jerk
that needs it cuz otherwise he'll be on the street again in a couple of
years, free to sell you kid some more dope, rob another gas station or rape
another child.  We seem to be of the old school, eye for eye etc.

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You radical, you...  ;-)

mark 


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Re: [Emc-users] Estop universal PWM

2009-01-07 Thread Kasey Matejcek
Thanks for the help I've got it working now
Had to do to things add the or2 to the servo thread my stuiped mistake 
Than I had to have reset.ok high before reseting the estop-latch.0.reset
Now on my machine when the estop chain is complete my machine is in
Estopreset and ready to go to work


-Original Message-
From: Alex Joni [mailto:alex.j...@robcon.ro] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:33 AM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Estop universal PWM

Make sure the or2 function is added to a thread (probably the servo thread).

Regards,
Alex

- Original Message - 
From: Kasey Matejcek someo...@lkm.bz
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:15 AM
Subject: [Emc-users] Estop universal PWM


 Is there a way to have emc come out of estop and be in estop reset

 When I hit the reset button for the estop chain on my machine

 Witch pin do I need to link to  to make this happen I've messed around and
 haven't got anywere to speak of

 I tied ppmc.0din.14.in to estop-latch.0.reset this work some of the time 
 but
 no always and then it disables the F1 key from resting the estop because
 I've unlinked that

 I tried to Or that input together and that didn't seem to work ether



 Newsig Estop-reset-1 bit

 Linksp Estop-reset-1 ppmc.0.din.14.in

 Linksp Estop-reset-1 or2.0.in0



 Newsig Estop-reset-2 bit

 Linksp Estop-reset-2 iocontrol.0.user-enable-out

 Linksp Estop-reset-2 or2.0.in1



 Newsig Estop-reset-3 bit

 Linksp Estop-reset-3 or2.0.out

 Linksp Estop-reset-3 estop-latch.0.reset



 But after looking in showhal and watching the or2.0.out I never see it go
 high

 The input for the or seem to work press the F1 key or2.0.in1 goes high

 Hookup pin 14 and or2.0.in0 goes high

 But never see or2.0.out go high

 I'm miss understanding something with this or I'm I not using the right 
 pins
 for this to work

 


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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Seconded: Alex Joni

2009-01-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 07 January 2009, Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote:
At 07:26 AM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
That tis, particularly since at my age, they won't let me anywhere
near a jury
box (unless I was sitting behind the defendants table or some such ooops.)

And that is to me, a waste of a valuable resource.  Seniors of sound mind
should be welcomed in the jury box, but no, they'd druther inconvenience
 the hell out of some poor schmuck that has to work for a living.  And pay
 him $5 a day and found.  'Taint a bit fair to them.

Of course they may have learned that us seniors would druther fry some jerk
that needs it cuz otherwise he'll be on the street again in a couple of
years, free to sell you kid some more dope, rob another gas station or rape
another child.  We seem to be of the old school, eye for eye etc.

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You radical, you...  ;-)

Yup, and damned proud of it. :-)  Basically, what is right, is right, and what 
is wrong, needs to be fixed, by whatever method is the most permanent.

This Maddof guy needs fixed, but then who really started the legalization of 
the ponzi scheme?  That's right, the US Govco, Social Security, taint nothing 
but a ponzi scheme.  But the Govco hates competition so they make it illegal 
for anyone else to do the same.

Like I told Senator Jay Rockefeller nearly 20 years ago when they were talking 
about 'fixing' social security.  I got right up in his face in the hallway of 
the tv station and told him that I had been forced to contribute to that, all 
my working life (since I was about 14) and that it had better damned well be 
there when I get ready to retire.  If it isn't, well, I'm a good, usually one 
shot hunter, and I might just come hunting.  He got the point...

Sometimes you need to raise hell and stick a brick under one corner.  And keep 
doing it till the utility conduits break and hell freezes over.

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[Emc-users] NOMINATION -- Stuart Stevenson

2009-01-07 Thread Kenneth Lerman

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[Emc-users] Nomination: Stephen Wille Padnos

2009-01-07 Thread sam sokolik
I think he lives on IRC helping people..  (plus I don't understand 1/2 
of the development discussions he is involved in..)  (ok 3/4..)

sam

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Re: [Emc-users] NOMINATION -- Stuart Stevenson - Seconded

2009-01-07 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
I was just thinking the same thing!

Mark

At 10:30 AM 1/7/2009, you wrote:

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Re: [Emc-users] How can I calculate the INPUT_SCALE value?

2009-01-07 Thread Howard Chan
Dear Jon,
I am very appreciated you can help me and give me some suggestions.
 Howard Chan wrote:
   
 Dear Jon,
 Today I tune the PID again.  Would you mind help me to check the value 
 and give me some suggestion?  Thank you!

 [TRAJ]
 DEFAULT_VELOCITY =  13.30
 MAX_VELOCITY =  33.34
 DEFAULT_ACCELERATION =  45.0
 MAX_ACCELERATION =  50.0

 [AXIS_1]
 MAX_VELOCITY =  50.0
 MAX_ACCELERATION =  50.0
 BACKLASH = 0.000
 INPUT_SCALE =   -2835

 When P=20, I=50, D=0, FF1=0, FF2=0 and click 'F2'
 http://myweb.polyu.edu.hk/~icwfchan/p1.png

 When P=20, I=50, D=0, FF1=0.198, FF2=0 and run 'Y=20'
 http://myweb.polyu.edu.hk/~icwfchan/p2.png

 When P=20, I=50, D=0, FF1=0.198, FF2=0.00021 and run 'Y=20'
 http://myweb.polyu.edu.hk/~icwfchan/p3.png
   
 
 First trace is just the settling of the servo when it goes from open- to 
 clesed-loop.
   

I am using SANYO DENKI server motor and amp but I don't how to check it 
is open or close loop.
It is the amp manual: http://myweb.polyu.edu.hk/~icwfchan/M0006890C.pdf
According to manual 3-1(Page. 33),  I use CN1 to connect 7I33T and 7I37T.
And setting some parameters in the server amplifier:
1. Set 'velocity addition command input selection' = _Analog_Input 
(manual 7-15 Page.128)
2. Set 'analog velocity command scaling'= 106min^-1/V(manual 7-15 Page.128)
  I set the max feed of  the machine is 3000mm/min.  There are 16:36 
pulley ratio between the motor and ball screw.  My calculated method is 
3000/(16/36)/(25.4/4) = 1063 /min.  I set the MAX_OUTPUT is 10 volt.
3. Set 'encoder signal output format'=Encoder signal direct output
Would you mind helping to check them is it correct or telling me are 
there any parameter I need to set?
 2 later traces show you need more FF2, increase in small increments.  I 
 think you could use more P gain, less I (at least until all other tuning 
 is done) and a bit of D to damp out the fluctuation in the error.  If 
 that error scale factor is 2 milli-mm (2 um) per division, then maybe 
 just work on
   
I think it is impossible for me that error scale factor in 2um per division.
Today I set a large P(70), I=10, D=0.2, FF1=0.1993, FF2=0.003 and feed 1000
http://myweb.polyu.edu.hk/~icwfchan/p4.png
but the FERROR = 0.10 and MIN_FERROR=0.010 (so large)
At the startup, there are an error which is large then 2um(circle 1)
and the error of acceleration is so large(circle 2), I tried to increase 
FF2 but it cannot import.

  the FF2 and damping, I doubt you can improve much on the rest.

 Jon

   
I am very disappointed to set EMC parameters T_T(cry).  In my case, if  
I change to use digital input, it is more better to use analog input.  
Yet I don't know 5I20 can support or not.  Do you have any suggestion 
for me?

Thank you!!
Howard
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Re: [Emc-users] SECONDED Nomination: Stephen Wille Padnos

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Joni
even if I sometimes don't understand the other 1/4 ;)

Alex


- Original Message - 
From: sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:51 PM
Subject: [Emc-users] Nomination: Stephen Wille Padnos


I think he lives on IRC helping people..  (plus I don't understand 1/2 
 of the development discussions he is involved in..)  (ok 3/4..)
 
 sam
 


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Re: [Emc-users] ACCEPTED Nomination: Stephen Wille Padnos

2009-01-07 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Accepted, thanks giys.

See you the other 1/4 of the time ;)

- Steve

Alex Joni wrote:

even if I sometimes don't understand the other 1/4 ;)

Alex

- Original Message - 
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Subject: [Emc-users] Nomination: Stephen Wille Padnos
  

I think he lives on IRC helping people..  (plus I don't understand 1/2 
of the development discussions he is involved in..)  (ok 3/4..)

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Re: [Emc-users] Accepted: John Kasunich

2009-01-07 Thread John Kasunich
Accepted,

John

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[Emc-users] Accepted NOMINATION: Sam Sokolik

2009-01-07 Thread sam sokolik
Thanks :)

sam

Gene Heskett wrote:
 On Tuesday 06 January 2009, Jeff Epler wrote:
   
 The things that Chris said last time when he nominated Sam still

 ring true for me:
 | I nominate Sam, who we all know as skunkworks on irc, for a Board
 | position.  He is a tireless advocate for EMC and generously helps
 | and teaches many people.
 |
 | Sam is not an EMC programmer and previously the Board tended to be
 | made up of only programmers.  I think having a user and advocate on
 | the Board would be a nice balance and might bring new ideas and
 | direction to the project.

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Re: [Emc-users] message format question

2009-01-07 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN

 out with that option.  Guess I'll have to mark this off to yahoo
 stupidity.
 


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Re: [Emc-users] message format question

2009-01-07 Thread Stuart Stevenson
heh

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:29 AM, BRIAN GLACKIN glackin.br...@gmail.com wrote:

 out with that option.  Guess I'll have to mark this off to yahoo
 stupidity.
 


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Re: [Emc-users] message format question

2009-01-07 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 12:29 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
 
  out with that option.  Guess I'll have to mark this off to yahoo
  stupidity.
  
 

from the Free Dictionary

*n.* *pl.* *ya·hoo* A crude or brutish person. See Synonyms at
boorhttp://www.thefreedictionary.com/boor
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Surprising accurate at times.

Indeed.

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Re: [Emc-users] The Future of Realtime, The Past and The Present Meet.

2009-01-07 Thread Jon Elson
Organic Engines wrote:
 Hi,

   The future of Realtime.

   Processor emulation with an FPGA.

   http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1216927

   Here is your PDP replacement.

   http://neil.franklin.ch/Projects/PDP-10/
   
The second ref is an impressive intellectual exercise, but in no way is 
it anywhere NEAR a functioning system.
He is running his test programs out of a 32-word memory on the FPGA, and 
has no I/O at all.  Certainly years away from an OS port.
By the way, will RTAI run on Tenex?  Probably not.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Estop universal PWM

2009-01-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kasey Matejcek wrote:
 Thanks for the help I've got it working now
 Had to do to things add the or2 to the servo thread my stuiped mistake 
 Than I had to have reset.ok high before reseting the estop-latch.0.reset
 Now on my machine when the estop chain is complete my machine is in
 Estopreset and ready to go to work
   
That's cool!  Could you send me the univpwm_io.hal file so if someone 
else wants to do this, I have it available?

Thanks,

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[Emc-users] Software question

2009-01-07 Thread Richard F. Amaral
Could someone explain or point me to documentation that explains the  
following:

1.What does the motion controller do? Is is part of HAL? How is it  
built? I see that the file motion.c has a 'main' function but the  
Makefile does not link it, only compiles it to an object file. How is  
this object file used?

2. It's unclear to me if there is one or more shared memory 'areas'. I  
had originally understood that only one shared memory area existed  
that all user space and kernel space programs communicated through.

3. Why use NML? Why not use just shared memory? Is NML an attempt at  
standardizing communication between software entities, i.e.  
user-kernel, user-user, kernel-kernel?

Thanks for your patience in advance.

-Rich




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Re: [Emc-users] Software question

2009-01-07 Thread Kenneth Lerman
I'll take a shot at answering number 3.

Richard F. Amaral wrote:
 Could someone explain or point me to documentation that explains the  
 following:
...
 
 3. Why use NML? Why not use just shared memory? Is NML an attempt at  
 standardizing communication between software entities, i.e.  
 user-kernel, user-user, kernel-kernel?

NML is used because it supports an environment where functions are split 
across multiple machines.

I don't know how widely that functionality is used, though. As far as 
I'm concerned, it adds an unnecessary level of complexity.

 
 Thanks for your patience in advance.
 
 -Rich
...

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[Emc-users] Motherboard recommendation, WIKI seems not up to date

2009-01-07 Thread Thomas Kaiser
Hello All

I am looking for a MB witch is good for running EMC2.
What you guys are using? I checked the WIKI page with the latency 
information. For me it looks quite outdated.

I am looking for something reliable and with no moving parts (Fan, HD).
Are the new Intel Atoms a good choice?

Can anybody on this list give me some advice?

Thanks in advance for your kind response.

Best Regards and a Happy New Year,

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Re: [Emc-users] NOMINATION: Chris Radek ACCEPTED

2009-01-07 Thread Chris Radek
I accept.


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Re: [Emc-users] NOMINATION -- Stuart Stevenson - declined

2009-01-07 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen,
   It is with reservation that I must respectfully decline the
nomination. I am honored to be considered. It is not lack of interest.
I don't feel anywhere near qualified to fulfill that responsibility.
For the moment I must remain selfish and my participation must be
focused on the completion of my machines. I am still learning a lot
and need to learn a lot more. I will continue to contribute as in
the past and will increase my contributing as my skill and education
allows.
thank you - so very much
Stuart

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Mark Wendt (Contractor)
mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote:
 I was just thinking the same thing!

 Mark

 At 10:30 AM 1/7/2009, you wrote:

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Re: [Emc-users] Motherboard recommendation, WIKI seems not up to date

2009-01-07 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Thomas Kaiser wrote:

Hello All

I am looking for a MB witch is good for running EMC2.
  

Aren't we all :)

What you guys are using? I checked the WIKI page with the latency 
information. For me it looks quite outdated.
  

It's got information on machines that people have used.  Unfortunately, 
we don't have a staff or budget for getting new motherboards and testing 
them.

I am looking for something reliable and with no moving parts (Fan, HD).
Are the new Intel Atoms a good choice?
  

I don't know of anyone who has tried an Atom-based system - you'd be the 
first.

Can anybody on this list give me some advice?
  

Yep. There is one motherboard that seems to work quite well, the Goal3+ 
from ECS.  I bought mine from NewEgg: 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135227.  That 
one isn't in the wiki, I'll add it if Skunkworks doesn't beat me to it :)
One thing to note about that board, the onboard video has terrible 
visual artifacting at higher resolutions.  If you run at 1280x1024 or 
lower, they're not too annoying.  You can add a video card to eliminate 
that problem.

There's a motherboard someone else tried (eric_u on IRC), but I don't 
recall which one it was.

I have also had good luck with an Acrosser embedded system, the 
AR-ES1802, but that's quite expensive compared to consumer fare - close 
to $1000 for a reasonable configuration (and not fanless).  I don't 
recommend this system though - the chipset is terribly slow for PCI 
access, and the good results were only possible after disabling almost 
all services (sound, X, misc daemons), and changing filesystems.  This 
was for a HAL-only application, so I was able to get away without video 
- not so great for EMC2.

- Steve


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Re: [Emc-users] Motherboard recommendation, WIKI seems not up to date

2009-01-07 Thread Eric H. Johnson
Tom, Steve,

I can report success with the Intel D945GCLF2 mini-ITX Motherboard, at least
so far. I have  not installed this board into a production system as yet,
but have used it for testing with the Mesa 5i20 and 7i43 controllers. Unlike
many ITX boards, it does come with a built-in parallel port connector. It
requires a processor fan, however.

See:
http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GCLF2-Mini-ITX-Motherboard?sc=8category=1
00

I have several machines successfully using the Jetway Hybrid J7F2WE1G5D
Mini-ITX:
http://www.mini-box.com/Hybrid-C7-1-5G?sc=8category=99

Regards,
Eric



I am looking for something reliable and with no moving parts (Fan, HD).
Are the new Intel Atoms a good choice?
  

I don't know of anyone who has tried an Atom-based system - you'd be the
first.



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Re: [Emc-users] Motherboard recommendation, WIKI seems not up to date

2009-01-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 07 January 2009, Eric H. Johnson wrote:
Tom, Steve,

I can report success with the Intel D945GCLF2 mini-ITX Motherboard, at least
so far. I have  not installed this board into a production system as yet,
but have used it for testing with the Mesa 5i20 and 7i43 controllers. Unlike
many ITX boards, it does come with a built-in parallel port connector. It
requires a processor fan, however.

See:
http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GCLF2-Mini-ITX-Motherboard?sc=8category=1
00

I have several machines successfully using the Jetway Hybrid J7F2WE1G5D
Mini-ITX:
http://www.mini-box.com/Hybrid-C7-1-5G?sc=8category=99

Regards,
Eric

I can add that the Mach Speed boards, with tweaks are good boards, running an 
old cpu 200mhz faster and 50F cooler that the same cpu ran on a biostar 
board.

I am looking for something reliable and with no moving parts (Fan, HD).
Are the new Intel Atoms a good choice?

I don't know of anyone who has tried an Atom-based system - you'd be the
first.




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[Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper??

2009-01-07 Thread Arnold Riter CNC
Hello,
I'm using servos but I'd like to add a 4th axis to my mill using stepper.

Here it is the configuration of my mill till now:
3 servomotors+Amps
1 Mesacard 5i20
1 7i33
1 7i37

My questions are:

Can I use the 7i37 for controlling the 4th axis with stepper? or it is 
better to use the parallel port?

Is there any ini and hal file to use as a example for my needs? 
(servo+stepper)

Please any help will be very welcome!

Arnold

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Re: [Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper??

2009-01-07 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, Arnold Riter CNC wrote:

 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:07:15 +0100
 From: Arnold Riter CNC arnoldriter...@gmail.com
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper??
 
 Hello,
 I'm using servos but I'd like to add a 4th axis to my mill using stepper.

 Here it is the configuration of my mill till now:
 3 servomotors+Amps
 1 Mesacard 5i20
 1 7i33
 1 7i37

 My questions are:

 Can I use the 7i37 for controlling the 4th axis with stepper? or it is
 better to use the parallel port?

Parallel would likely be simpler as it would mean fewer HAL changes.

5I20 will give better performance (as it can do hardware step generation) but 
you will have to change to the new firmware/driver = HostMot2 and new HAL 
file.

I would not drive the steppers through the 7I37 for speed reasons but either 
directly from the 5I20 (assuming your step driver is isolated) Or if you want 
to be a little safer, through a 7I42T I/O protector or 7I47 differential 
driver card.





 Is there any ini and hal file to use as a example for my needs?
 (servo+stepper)

 Please any help will be very welcome!

 Arnold

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Re: [Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper??

2009-01-07 Thread WF Chan

Dear Peter,On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, Arnold Riter CNC wrote:

 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:07:15 +0100
 From: Arnold Riter CNC arnoldriter...@gmail.com
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper??
 
 Hello,
 I'm using servos but I'd like to add a 4th axis to my mill using
stepper.

 Here it is the configuration of my mill till now:
 3 servomotors+Amps
 1 Mesacard 5i20
 1 7i33
 1 7i37

 My questions are:

 Can I use the 7i37 for controlling the 4th axis with stepper? or it is
 better to use the parallel port?

Parallel would likely be simpler as it would mean fewer HAL changes.

5I20 will give better performance (as it can do hardware step generation) but 
you will have to change to the new firmware/driver = HostMot2 and new HAL 
file.I am using EMC2 version 2.2.8, but I don't know is it using HostMot2, how 
can I check it?

I would not drive the steppers through the 7I37 for speed reasons but either 
directly from the 5I20 (assuming your step driver is isolated) Or if you want 
to be a little safer, through a 7I42T I/O protector or 7I47 differential 
driver card.

Now I am using analog signal to control the servo amp, but I would like using 
digial signal to control it.
How can I modify the HAL??



 Is there any ini and hal file to use as a example for my needs?
 (servo+stepper)

 Please any help will be very welcome!

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Re: [Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper??

2009-01-07 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, WF Chan wrote:

 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:55:18 -0800 (PST)
 From: WF Chan howard_chan0...@yahoo.com.hk
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper??


Now I am using analog signal to control the servo amp, but I would like using 
digial signal to control it.
How can I modify the HAL??

What kind of digital signals?

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[Emc-users] New cutter compensation algorithm in TRUNK

2009-01-07 Thread Chris Radek
Today I merged my cutter compensation work.  The new algorithm
handles concave corners and is not picky about entry moves.  The
old entry methods are still supported, as is any entry line longer
than the tool radius (as is customary).

I have tested many old working programs to make sure they run
exactly the same, and also crafted suitably perverse programs to
verify the newly-handled cases.

http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/t3.png

This is a program that runs a subroutine three times: once without
compensation, and then with left and right comp.  You can see the
entry and exit moves are not special (they happen to make concave
corners in this program).

I believe it should also now be possible to use most/all
CAM-generated compensated code.  EMC2 can do the full
compensation, or the CAM can compensate for nominal tool size and
the user can specify a small diameter in the tool table (like
-0.010) to compensate for tool resharpening.  I understand (but
only from hearing in passing) that this is what Synergy wants and
I hope someone can test it (Hi Dave E!) I do not have any CAM
programs to test with so I'm relying on you folks.

Also I would especially appreciate if folks that are experts at
hand-writing code with cutter compensation would try it out and
perhaps come up with more perverse cases.  (Hi Ed N!  Hi John K!)

Some things that are probably currently under-tested:

lathes
inverse time mode
switching spindle and feed modes
helixes
switching absolute/relative
switching inch/mm
switching relative/absolute arc centers

A few things that I believe were previously allowed are currently
disallowed when compensation is on:

reading/writing motion's digital/analog ins/outs
switching coordinate systems
changing tools or tool length offset
enabling/disabling feed/speed override
enabling/disabling adaptive feed
running user-defined m-codes

I think some, but not all, of these could be allowed if someone
needs them.

Chris

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Re: [Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper??

2009-01-07 Thread tomp
Peter

Peter C. Wallace wrote:
 On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, WF Chan wrote:
 
 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:55:18 -0800 (PST)
 From: WF Chan howard_chan0...@yahoo.com.hk
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper??

 
 Now I am using analog signal to control the servo amp, but I would like using 
 digial signal to control it.
 How can I modify the HAL??
 
 What kind of digital signals?
 
 Peter Wallace
 Mesa Electronics

typicly velocity as number nit analog
but he posted the manual
interesting, not bleeding edge
but not as old tech as dc brushed servos and amps with lotsa pots
tomp

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Re: [Emc-users] Motherboard recommendation, WIKI seems not up to date

2009-01-07 Thread Jon Elson

 Thomas Kaiser wrote:

   
 Hello All

 I am looking for a MB witch is good for running EMC2.
 
I have been using off-lease Dell Optiplex boxes for some time with 
excellent results.  Most of these are working well with the on-mobo 
video, but one of them does have poor latency.  I use that as a bench 
test system, so the latency is not a problem there.  You can always plug 
in a PCI video card if the latency is not good.  I have a couple GX110's 
here in different sized boxes.  I have also used GX150s with good results.
If you need fast software generated steps, then maybe a faster CPU is in 
order.  These 600+ MHz units have been fine for use with servo 
controllers.  A main feature is the mobo parallel ports are VERY stable 
and reliable.

I don't know whether you have a particular reason for worrying over 
fans, such as shop dust.  Solid state drives that plug into the ATA 
connector are available cheap on eBay.  How well they work is not really 
clear, yet.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] New cutter compensation algorithm in TRUNK

2009-01-07 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote:
 Today I merged my cutter compensation work.  The new algorithm
 handles concave corners and is not picky about entry moves.  The
 old entry methods are still supported, as is any entry line longer
 than the tool radius (as is customary).

 I have tested many old working programs to make sure they run
 exactly the same, and also crafted suitably perverse programs to
 verify the newly-handled cases.

 http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/t3.png

 This is a program that runs a subroutine three times: once without
 compensation, and then with left and right comp.  You can see the
 entry and exit moves are not special (they happen to make concave
 corners in this program).

 I believe it should also now be possible to use most/all
 CAM-generated compensated code.  EMC2 can do the full
 compensation, or the CAM can compensate for nominal tool size and
 the user can specify a small diameter in the tool table (like
 -0.010) to compensate for tool resharpening.  I understand (but
 only from hearing in passing) that this is what Synergy wants and
 I hope someone can test it (Hi Dave E!) I do not have any CAM
 programs to test with so I'm relying on you folks.

 Also I would especially appreciate if folks that are experts at
 hand-writing code with cutter compensation would try it out and
 perhaps come up with more perverse cases.  (Hi Ed N!  Hi John K!)

 Some things that are probably currently under-tested:

lathes
inverse time mode
this is exciting - I can't wait to try the 5 axis cutter diameter comp
- I will do so as soon as I get the cinci going - thanks a lot :)

switching spindle and feed modes
helixes
switching absolute/relative
switching inch/mm
switching relative/absolute arc centers

 A few things that I believe were previously allowed are currently
 disallowed when compensation is on:

reading/writing motion's digital/analog ins/outs
switching coordinate systems
changing tools or tool length offset
enabling/disabling feed/speed override
enabling/disabling adaptive feed
running user-defined m-codes

 I think some, but not all, of these could be allowed if someone
 needs them.

 Chris

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Re: [Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper??

2009-01-07 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
WF Chan wrote:
 I am using EMC2 version 2.2.8, but I don't know is it using HostMot2, how can 
 I check it?

Start EMC2 the way you normally do it, then while it's running open a 
terminal window and run lsmod | grep hostmot2 (without the quotes). 
If it produces any output, you're using HostMot2.


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Re: [Emc-users] New cutter compensation algorithm in TRUNK

2009-01-07 Thread Leslie Newell
Looks good. It would be nice if you could enable these:

reading/writing motion's digital/analog ins/outs
enabling/disabling feed/speed override
enabling/disabling adaptive feed
running user-defined m-codes

Thanks,
Les



Chris Radek wrote:
 Today I merged my cutter compensation work.  The new algorithm
 handles concave corners and is not picky about entry moves.  The
 old entry methods are still supported, as is any entry line longer
 than the tool radius (as is customary).

 I have tested many old working programs to make sure they run
 exactly the same, and also crafted suitably perverse programs to
 verify the newly-handled cases.

 http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/t3.png

 This is a program that runs a subroutine three times: once without
 compensation, and then with left and right comp.  You can see the
 entry and exit moves are not special (they happen to make concave
 corners in this program).

 I believe it should also now be possible to use most/all
 CAM-generated compensated code.  EMC2 can do the full
 compensation, or the CAM can compensate for nominal tool size and
 the user can specify a small diameter in the tool table (like
 -0.010) to compensate for tool resharpening.  I understand (but
 only from hearing in passing) that this is what Synergy wants and
 I hope someone can test it (Hi Dave E!) I do not have any CAM
 programs to test with so I'm relying on you folks.

 Also I would especially appreciate if folks that are experts at
 hand-writing code with cutter compensation would try it out and
 perhaps come up with more perverse cases.  (Hi Ed N!  Hi John K!)

 Some things that are probably currently under-tested:

 lathes
 inverse time mode
 switching spindle and feed modes
 helixes
 switching absolute/relative
 switching inch/mm
 switching relative/absolute arc centers

 A few things that I believe were previously allowed are currently
 disallowed when compensation is on:

 reading/writing motion's digital/analog ins/outs
 switching coordinate systems
 changing tools or tool length offset
 enabling/disabling feed/speed override
 enabling/disabling adaptive feed
 running user-defined m-codes

 I think some, but not all, of these could be allowed if someone
 needs them.

 Chris

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Re: [Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper?? error

2009-01-07 Thread Arnold Riter CNC
Peter C. Wallace escribió:
 On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, Arnold Riter CNC wrote:

 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:07:15 +0100
 From: Arnold Riter CNC arnoldriter...@gmail.com
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] 5i20+sevos and ??stepper??

 Hello,
 I'm using servos but I'd like to add a 4th axis to my mill using 
 stepper.

 Here it is the configuration of my mill till now:
 3 servomotors+Amps
 1 Mesacard 5i20
 1 7i33
 1 7i37

 My questions are:

 Can I use the 7i37 for controlling the 4th axis with stepper? or it is
 better to use the parallel port?

 Parallel would likely be simpler as it would mean fewer HAL changes.

 5I20 will give better performance (as it can do hardware step 
 generation) but you will have to change to the new firmware/driver = 
 HostMot2 and new HAL file.

 I would not drive the steppers through the 7I37 for speed reasons but 
 either directly from the 5I20 (assuming your step driver is isolated) 
 Or if you want to be a little safer, through a 7I42T I/O protector or 
 7I47 differential driver card.





 Is there any ini and hal file to use as a example for my needs?
 (servo+stepper)

 Please any help will be very welcome!

 Arnold

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I have problems when I try to add stepper capability
I get a error:

Debug file information:
insmod: error inserting 
'/usr/realtime-2.6.24-16-rtai/modules/emc2/ddt.ko': -1 File exists
m5i20_motion.hal:55: exit value: 1
m5i20_motion.hal:55: insmod failed, returned -1
8446
  PID TTY  STAT   TIME COMMAND
Stopping realtime threads
Unloading hal components

What am I doing wrong?


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